[00:00] <KalEl> i had some trouble running compiz with KDE - even after i got it running, i couldn't fix the one thing - applications which flash the taskbar won't do it when compiz is running in KDE
[00:01] <Mark76> Must... switch... off... time... stamp
[00:01] <KalEl> Bubye
[00:01] <Mark76> Bye Kal
[00:01] <KalEl> May I should sleep too... it's 5:31am
[00:01] <Mark76> YES
[00:01] <Mark76> Grr
[00:01] <Mark76> Night all
[00:01] <KalEl> Good night then. See ya, thanks :)
[00:01] <vonck7> night
[00:02] <KalEl> zengen, thanks for the information, i will keep it in mind in case i also face the same problem
[00:04] <KalEl> Does xubuntu also have the 'auto update' feature? (I rather like to do the updating in my own time though)
[00:17] <HehawOK> Hello, does Xubuntu,or Linux in general, start to "tear down" after a few months like Windows?
[00:18] <HehawOK> IE: starts to boot up taking 5 mins + for no good reason at all
[00:18] <HehawOK> When it only took a few mins maybe to start with
[00:18] <zoredache> no
[00:19] <HehawOK> Interesting.  That seems even more of a reason to switch.  I hate formatting just cause the system is getting slower than an old "slug bug" with sugar in it's tank.
[00:19] <zoredache> of course windows doesn't really do that either unless you are frequently installing lots of crap
[00:19] <HehawOK> LOL bull
[00:26] <somerville32> Stuff easily gets installed without you knowing it on windows
[00:27] <somerville32> And things often run without you knowing it
[00:27] <HehawOK> yeah, like big.ass.ago.bot.exe
[00:27] <HehawOK> or RXdaddybot.exe
[00:36] <HehawOK> Oh yeah another thing is, I was getting "username/pass" on our windows machine, when I was setting up shared folders.  Is there a way to turn that off, so they can just \\ip# , instead of having a user/pass ?
[00:36] <HehawOK> like the shares in windows
[00:37] <zoredache> are you asking how to make windows not require authentication for access to shares?
[00:37] <HehawOK> yes
[00:38] <zoredache> later version of windows don't allow that...
[00:38] <HehawOK> ?
[00:39] <HehawOK> I am sharing my folders just fine using both versions of windows
[00:39] <HehawOK> I went in to Slowbuntu, uh.. Mollsesubuntu, er.. Ubuntu about a week ago and setup folder sharing, and the windows machine had to have user/pass
[00:39] <zoredache> you are still authenticating.  It is likely that you just have the same username/password on both, and so the autentication was invisble
[00:40] <HehawOK> Before I got tired of Ubuntu lagging worse than XP with fading
[00:40] <zoredache> pass-through authentication is what it is called
[00:40] <HehawOK> So I would have to tell them my user/pass ?
[00:42] <HehawOK> What good does it do to lock the screen when I am away if they know my user/pass ?
[01:07] <s|k> simplejson is escaping my forward slashes in strings and I don't want it to do that
[01:08] <s|k> any suggestions?
[01:18] <s|k> I'll just remove them once they're strings :/
[01:35] <brick_|> how can i login to my xubuntu instalation from work. using rdp and stuff like that+
[01:37] <brick_|> i have setup my router with dyndns, since my ip change, but when i enter that host in webbrowser, i just get the login to my router,, what program must i have installed in xubuntu to enebale remote login from windows using remote desktop connection?
[01:38] <somerville32> brick_l: You can use remote desktop but you need to configure your router to forward the applicable ports.
[01:39] <brick_|> ok. thats no problem. ill just nat them.
[01:39] <brick_|> but what must i enable in xubuntu/install in order for it to allow remote logins to it?
[01:39] <somerville32> VNC
[01:41] <brick_|> somerville32, ok.. just install vnc and connect to it using regular rdc in windows ?
[01:41] <somerville32> You'd use a vnc client
[01:42] <brick_|> ok.. what vnc client would you recommend for xubuntu ?
[01:48] <somerville32> Well, Xubuntu would run the VNC server.
[01:48] <somerville32> Your other box would run the client;.
[02:03] <brick_|> ok. im testing freenx right now, if that does not work ill try the vnc solutions.. but if i understand correctly, freenx provides better speed etc. is that correct +
[02:03] <brick_|> ?
[02:29] <homebrewcider> hey guys, can someone help me please? I have 2 HDDs, first has Windows, second has Xubuntu, I had the MBR obviously on HDD 1, when I reinstalled windows, it obliterated it obviously. I need to put a boot loader on the second HDD, I need to do this so I can boot to Xubuntu via the boot menu on startup, so the wife and kids can go straight to windows without touching anything, and I can select boot menu, then select the second HDD to
[02:29] <homebrewcider> I should point out that I am using the install cd LIVE now
[02:33] <tonyyarusso> homebrewcider: I'm not quite sure I understand you.  Why would that be required to let them boot to Windows?
[02:34] <homebrewcider> it's not
[02:35] <homebrewcider> it's required to let me boot to xubuntu
[02:47] <zoredache> why not just put the boot loader on the first drive and set windows as the default option?
[02:51] <homebrewcider> the way I ant to get it back to was the way it worked best. Rest of family wanted to use windows they turned the computer on and windows booted, no screen for them to read, I want to boot to Linux I turn on, select boot menu>(appropriate HDD) and it boots to the second HDD which has linux. This is because both OSs were install with the other HDD unplugged. HOWEVER new computer, sealed up, just reinstalled windows, boot loader was o
[02:56] <darkangel> hello
[02:57] <darkangel> in xbuntu how do i remove drive shortcuts like the floppy (on the desktop)
[03:09] <darkangel> i have a cell phone (lg??7000) how can i connect it to my laptop
[03:13] <tonyyarusso> !bluetooth
[03:13] <ubotu> For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[03:13] <darkangel> i have a cell phone (lg??7000) how can i connect it to my laptop
[03:13] <darkangel> i have a cell phone (lg??7000) how can i connect it to my laptop (usb)
[03:13] <darkangel> !phone
[03:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about phone - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:14] <darkangel> uh maybe if i try enough i cna help my self
[03:14] <darkangel> !cell
[03:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cell - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:14] <darkangel> !cellphone
[03:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cellphone - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:14] <darkangel> !cell phone
[03:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cell phone - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:14] <darkangel> i give up
[03:14] <darkangel> i have a cell phone (lg??7000) how can i connect it to my laptop (usb)
[03:15] <tonyyarusso> !repeat | darkangel
[03:15] <ubotu> darkangel: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[03:15] <tonyyarusso> and read the link from ubotu
[03:15] <tonyyarusso> or just plug it in and see what happens
[04:19] <homebrewcider> can someone help me please? This HDD has Xubuntu on it, but boot partition was on another HDD that is now gone, is there a way to fix this without reinstalling?
[04:27] <homebrewcider> anyone had any experience with this
[05:16] <cellofellow> hello!
[05:36] <teenbeat2007> guy having small problem, cant remember xorg.conf setting like gfl gfx....
[05:41] <Jyzygzel-> hmm how much does fresh Xubuntu install take space?
[06:47] <ajrion> hey, does xfce have a battery monitoring utility for laptops like ubuntu does? i have a hp 530
[06:48] <ajrion> adn i am worried about my battery
[06:48] <ajrion> its a new lapp
[06:49] <ajrion> yo?
[06:56] <The-Kernel> yes it does
[07:00] <ajrion> The-Kernel what is it called?
[07:05] <ajrion> i have a big problem i just wanted to turn of a HP 530 on wich i booted xubuntu from CD and it wont turn of! the power LED is on and the usb flash drives are stil shining and the fan s working and i cant turn it on or of! please help!!
[07:06] <The-Kernel> ajrion hold the power button for 5 seconds
[07:07] <ajrion> i did, nothing happenes
[07:07] <ajrion> i turened it off normlay, on teh exit icon and then shut down
[07:07] <ajrion> oh
[07:07] <The-Kernel> and it's doing that?
[07:07] <ajrion> its off now :) thenk you the kernel ... id didnt wanna turn off before
[07:08] <ajrion> it didnt do that with ubuntu ....
[07:08] <The-Kernel> wow, um...what happened?
[07:08] <ajrion> i tried again to hodl for 6 or 7 sec, and ok it turend off
[07:08] <ajrion> but ubuntu gave me no such problem
[07:09] <ajrion> i had to turnof SATA beause i want to put winXP first on it, and xp doesnt see the hard drive so i found an answer on some forum
[07:09] <The-Kernel> xubuntu == ubuntu with just a different Windows Manager
[07:09] <ajrion> i know, but ubuntu didnt give me such truble
[07:09] <The-Kernel> what did you do before you tried to turn it off?
[07:10] <ajrion> hmmm
[07:10] <ajrion> hdparm
[07:10] <ajrion> but i quit the terminal so i guess the hdparm was allso quited right?
[07:10] <ajrion> hdparm -t /dev/sda
[07:11] <ajrion> and i put a couple of usb flash drives, and it didnt wanna unmount them :(((
[07:12] <The-Kernel> um...yeah
[07:12] <The-Kernel> well, now you know, always hit ctrl+c then exit
[07:12] <The-Kernel> make sure it dies
[07:15] <ajrion> ok thanks :)
[07:15] <ajrion> o darn, i put watch hdparm -t .. :)))
[07:17] <ajrion> my cd with xubuntu is making wierd noises while running hdparm .. ubuntu gave me no such trouble :) what is that? could it because it is a CD rw?
[07:18] <The-Kernel> yeah, a bad burn it sounds like
[07:36] <ajrion> master the kernel yoda
[08:02] <ajrion> hey how big must a partition be to instal xubuntu? how big the / and how big the /home?
[08:05] <hyper__ch> ajrion: how much space do you have?
[08:29] <ajrion> 80 - 5 - 20 gb
[08:30] <ajrion> total - freedos (dont know why that is there, came with the lapp) - 20 xp (i put it, i need it 4 games :)
[09:05] <jadelrab> ajrion, well home depends on your needs .. root may be 10 but i like to make it more (20 for me ) the swap is 1 as i use old machine ( 256 ram) but you can make it at least double of your ram
[09:05] <HehawOK> Does Xubuntu run a lot smoother once you install it ?
[09:10] <jadelrab> HehawOK, what is your machine spec.
[09:11] <HehawOK> jadelrab P2 , 10 GB HD, Voodoo3 8 MB, 320 something RAM
[09:11] <HehawOK> 450 MHz
[09:11] <HehawOK> (the p20
[09:11] <HehawOK> er
[09:11] <HehawOK> (the p2)
[09:13] <jadelrab> HehawOK, well i think yes it will be much smoother than the cdrom .. not sure as i did't test it on P2
[09:13] <HehawOK> jadelrab: Ubuntu did not run well at all
[09:14] <HehawOK> Worse than any windows ever
[09:14] <jadelrab> HehawOK, maybe gnome requires high spec. i don't know if this will be smooth on xfce or not ..
[09:14] <jadelrab> HehawOK, if not try to use lighter DE like flux or pekwm
[09:25] <HehawOK> jadelrab: so it would be worth a try going back to Xubuntu ?
[09:25] <HehawOK> I'm kind of afraid of installing it, after having the lag of my life.
[09:25] <HehawOK> And the big disappointment
[09:27] <jadelrab> HehawOK, well i'm sure it will be better than gnome but don't know if you will like it or not .. but anyway ..take my word it deserve a try
[09:28] <HehawOK> jadelrab: yes, I am now noticing why I wanted to switch, after installing all this damn security stuff back.
[09:28] <HehawOK> jadelrab: AV, anti-virus, validate to install this, validate to install that, validate, validate, validate!!!
[09:28] <HehawOK> spyware this.. spyware that
[09:28] <jadelrab> HehawOK, is linux need all of this ?
[09:29] <HehawOK> No, I am back on XP after Ubuntu gave me a bad experiance
[09:29] <jadelrab> HehawOK, ah  .. got you
[09:30] <HehawOK> But just running the live disk, it seems Xubuntu ran better
[09:30] <HehawOK> but that's not saying much from a CD-RW
[09:31] <HehawOK> I guess there's only one way to find out
[09:31]  * HehawOK sighs
[09:31] <jadelrab> HehawOK, actually xubuntu saved me from buying a new pc .. i still use my old p3 256ram that i bought 5 years ago
[09:32] <HehawOK> This was bought about 99
[09:32] <HehawOK> And all I have been hearing is "your system would run better in a linux"
[09:33] <HehawOK> And after Ubuntu, I have to disagree and be skeptical
[09:33] <HehawOK> Although, once it finally loaded up a program, like VLC
[09:33] <HehawOK> It ran the videos , and things a lot better
[09:34] <HehawOK> and no skips
[09:34] <HehawOK> Other than the damn WMVs
[09:38] <jadelrab> HehawOK, recommended cpu for ubuntu is 500 MHZ
[09:39] <HehawOK> What about Xubuntu
[09:45] <jadelrab> HehawOK, If you have an old or low-spec computer, using a lightweight desktop system such as Xubuntu is recommended, as it should make more efficient use of your system's resources.
[09:46] <jadelrab> HehawOK, this is what ubuntu wiki says on low resources pcs
[09:49] <HehawOK> Yeah, I suppose one day when I get really tired of windows again, I'll redo it in to Xubuntu
[09:50] <HehawOK> And hopefully things will work out better
[09:57] <jadelrab> HehawOK, don't wait that day .. move now to xubuntu
[09:57] <jadelrab> HehawOK, brb ..
[10:28] <Jyzygzel-> can tasksel be used to remove software?
[11:55] <Mark76> Hey, if you ping a web address what's supposed to happen?
[11:56] <Mark76> Should it keep going forever?
[11:56] <TheSheep> Mark76: you can't ping a web address
[11:56] <Mark76> Are you sure?
[11:57] <TheSheep> Mark76: yes, I'm sure. you can ping an IP address or a domain name
[11:57] <hyper__ch> Mark76: that was a question I suppose
[11:57] <hyper__ch> oh :)
[11:57] <Mark76> Okay, tell me if this is working for you http://www.skyscrapercity.com
[11:58] <TheSheep> Mark76: what do you exactly mean by "working"?
[11:58] <Mark76> What happens when you open the link?
[11:59] <TheSheep> Mark76: "open"?
[12:00] <Mark76> Just click on it
[12:00] <TheSheep> Mark76: no use, they don't have a web server runnin
[12:00] <Mark76> Aha
[12:00] <Mark76> It's them who've ballsed up
[12:00] <Mark76> Goodo
[12:00] <TheSheep> PORT   STATE  SERVICE
[12:00] <TheSheep> 80/tcp closed http
[12:01] <Pumpernickel> Jyzygzel-: Can, in theory.  In practice, bug 131202 and similar make it seem unsafe.
[12:01] <Mark76> So you can't open the page?
[12:01] <TheSheep> Mark76: what page? there is no page, they don't do www
[12:01] <Pumpernickel> bug 131202
[12:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131202 in tasksel "tasksel remove lamp-server trashed ubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/131202
[12:01] <Mark76> It's a bloody web site
[12:02] <Mark76> I've been there hundreds of times
[12:02] <Mark76> It's got thousands of members
[12:02] <TheSheep> Mark76: there is no web server running there
[12:02] <Mark76> Are you calling me a liar?
[12:02] <Mark76> =-O
[12:03] <Pixilarion> maybe this is going to sound noobish, but I'm going to ask it anyway :) I'm running Xubuntu 7.10 and I want to make it more MacOSX-like so I want to install avant-window-manager. But for that I figured out I need something like Compiz? Can someone point out the basic steps to get avant running (I'll figue out the details myself :) )
[12:03] <Pumpernickel> There's no server running there, at the moment.  It could just be down.  Calm yourselves.
[12:03] <TheSheep> !compiz | Pixilarion
[12:03] <ubotu> Pixilarion: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - help in #compiz-fusion
[12:03] <Pixilarion> so I just type "sudp apt-get install compiz"?
[12:04] <hyper__ch> TheSheep: Pumpernickel:  you got a notebook? If so, are you aware of this?  https://launchpad.net/bug59695.html
[12:04] <Pumpernickel> No, and no.
[12:04] <Pumpernickel> Er, make that no and yes.
[12:04] <Pumpernickel> (I read of it elsewhere.)
[12:05] <hyper__ch> Pumpernickel: does that also apply to desktops?
[12:05] <TheSheep> hyper__ch: all my laptopos run Vista ;)
[12:05] <hyper__ch> TheSheep: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[12:05] <Pumpernickel> Unlikely, since most people don't bother with the powersaving features with desktops.
[12:06] <hyper__ch> the only thing I use is turn the screen off after a certain time
[12:19] <Mark76> Headache
[12:19] <Mark76> Bleurgh
[12:19] <totalwormface> copy that
[12:20] <Mark76> Mark: Headache
[12:20] <Mark76> Mark: Bleurgh
[12:20] <TheSheep> Mark76: is tha a command
[12:20] <totalwormface> :D
[13:44] <MatBoy> someone already solved the krdc fullscreen issue ?
[13:44] <TheSheep> MatBoy: check the bug report
[13:45] <TheSheep> MatBoy: you can also subscribe to its changes
[13:48] <michaelramm> QUESTION: Is the main difference between Xubuntu and Ubuntu the Xfce Manager?
[13:49] <TheSheep> michaelramm: it's the most visible one
[13:50] <michaelramm> does Xfce have lower req than Gnome?
[13:50] <TheSheep> yes
[13:51] <michaelramm> ok, so I have some older gateway machines (the old pizza box models) and I want to run *buntu on them
[13:52] <michaelramm> i guess Xubuntu would be the best option
[13:52] <TheSheep> michaelramm: what cpu and ram?
[13:52] <michaelramm> Probably P1 with under 512
[13:52] <michaelramm> have not booted them up in awhile so not 100% sure
[13:52] <TheSheep> p1 is a little slow
[13:53] <michaelramm> they are PII (E-3200s)
[13:53] <TheSheep> E-3200s?
[13:54] <michaelramm> that is the GW model number
[13:55] <michaelramm> looks like PII 333MHz
[13:55] <michaelramm> maybe 256-328MB RAM
[13:55] <michaelramm> 384MB that is
[13:55] <TheSheep> should be pretty usable
[13:55] <TheSheep> don't expect miracles, of course :)
[13:56] <michaelramm> what is the minimum
[13:56] <michaelramm> sure
[13:56] <michaelramm> not going to be my main machine
[13:56] <TheSheep> 64MB ram and any pentium
[13:56] <TheSheep> but that requires a lot of patience :)
[13:56] <michaelramm> want to set up a little network monitoring station
[13:57] <TheSheep> michaelramm: do you really need GUI for that?
[14:01] <michaelramm> I do...not very linux proficient
[14:02] <michaelramm> but learning....
[14:20] <MatBoy> TheSheep, ok, it was reported before, I have seen that !
[14:22] <somerville32> michaelramm, This is a 333mhz with 192mb and it works alright. My other box is also 333mhz and has 256mb and runs well.
[14:23] <michaelramm> somerville32: cool, thanks for the reassurance...I am d/l the Live CD now to test on it
[14:24] <Wizard> hello there
[14:24] <somerville32> michaelramm, I'd use the alternative cd
[14:24] <Wizard> what meta-package should i install to install gnome on xubuntu ?
[14:24] <Wizard> ubuntu-desktop ?
[14:25] <somerville32> Wizard, yup
[14:25] <somerville32> That'll install "Ubuntu"
[14:25] <Wizard> ok.
[14:25] <Wizard> heh.. 7.10 is available..
[14:26] <michaelramm> somerville32: i am doing the Live cause I have never used Xfce before (only seen pics of it)
[14:26] <somerville32> michaelramm, The live cd might not work. The live cd is pretty heavy.
[14:29] <TheSheep> somerville32: it will work with <192MB ram
[14:49] <socky> can anyone help me with wireless, i'm almost there
[14:49] <nanonyme> broadcom?
[14:50] <socky> i can see the network with iwconfig
[14:50] <socky> i just forgot the command that will connect me to it
[14:50] <socky> i did ifconfig eth1 up
[14:50] <socky> then iwconfig
[14:51] <socky> i can see my network ESSID
[14:51] <socky> what do i do next?
[14:51] <socky> (i remember there was some command, like dnsserver ESSID or something...)
[14:58] <socky> found it "dhclient..."
[14:58] <socky> adios
[15:05] <gerro> stupid question but... how do I format my flash drive on xubuntu?
[15:06] <michaelramm> i did not know that there were memory concerns with using the live CD
[15:06] <gerro> michaelramm: cd reads slow so more needs to be uploaded to memory
[15:06] <TheSheep> michaelramm: it runs whole in your memory
[15:07] <michaelramm> ahhh, understandable
[15:07] <gerro> TheSheep: isn't that only if you use the load to memory option? then it just dumps the whole iso to memory
[15:08] <somerville32> gerro: Yes
[15:08] <somerville32> But all temporary stuff is written to virtual memory
[15:08] <michaelramm> i had not thought of that, may have to go scavengar some RAM
[15:08] <gerro> toram option it is
[15:08] <gerro> michaelramm: could try the ubuntu 7.10 server image, just apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[15:09] <michaelramm> now there is an idea
[15:09] <somerville32> The server image doesn't have live-cd, I don
[15:09] <somerville32> 't think.
[15:09] <michaelramm> i always forget that you can add the desktops
[15:10] <michaelramm> no it does not
[15:10] <somerville32> So why not use the alternative cd for xubuntu-desktop?
[15:10] <michaelramm> no pressure, this is just a play project for me
[15:17]  * neozen nods.... you can just install a command-line system from the xubuntu alternate install
[15:18] <neozen> which is somewhat equivalent to the packages included in ubuntu-server (aside from different kernels)
[16:25] <cliebow> any solution for a stock gutsy install on hp laptop...no pcmcia services...
[16:28] <evil_tech> newer laptop or old? you could check the HCL to see if the PCMCIA controller is supported
[16:28] <cliebow> i must say xubuntu rockS on this pow power machine..after removing evms
[16:29] <cliebow> evil_tech,  quite old...
[16:29] <evil_tech> hmm then that shouldnt be an issue
[16:29] <evil_tech> perhaps it is incorrectly identifying the device and using the wrong driver
[16:30] <evil_tech> ive had that problem with sound on old thinkpads
[16:30] <cliebow> ill watch logs ..sdee if i can get a feel for it
[16:30] <cliebow> im one of the ltsp group..nice to find a willing hand here  8~)
[16:32] <cliebow> yep..sure sees the ted
[16:32] <cliebow> the card inserted
[16:35] <evil_tech> hmm
[17:17] <tombar> hello, im having some problem with opengl
[17:18] <tombar> can someone point me to a link/tutorial about xubuntu and open gl
[17:18] <tombar> or is it just a driver issue of my ati card?
[17:19] <evil_tech> what are you trying to do?
[17:19] <tombar> im trying to run ioquake engine and its giving me the following error
[17:20] <tombar> Sys_Error: GLimp_Init() - could not load OpenGL subsystem
[17:20] <tombar> Sys_Error: GLimp_Init() - could not load OpenGL subsystem
[17:20] <tombar> sorry for double post..
[17:22] <evil_tech> hmm dunno
[17:23] <tombar> ^^
[17:23] <Barr1> Greetings. I'm looking for info about whether I should switch from ubuntu 7.04 to xubuntu 7.10, and what that will entail.
[17:24] <Barr1> My understanding is, xubuntu runs better on older boxes, as the interface requires less processing to render, right?
[17:25] <evil_tech> its overall just lighter
[17:26] <Barr1> Thanks, evil_tech. That imposes restrictions, though, right? Doesn't it limit what you can run under it? For example, will Open Office run under X?
[17:27] <evil_tech> tombar: it could be a ATI driver issue. I had opengl installed and was running compiz but opengl games wouldnt work (though google earth worked fine)
[17:27] <evil_tech> Barr1: you can run openoffice
[17:28] <Barr1> OK. Do you know if wxWidgets function there? I use this (antique) laptop for some Python development.
[17:28] <evil_tech> just keep in mind that if you start using heavy apps (which openoffice is compared to Abiword or others) then system performance will go down
[17:28] <evil_tech> dont know about the widgets. theoretically yes.
[17:29] <Barr1> OK. I can't imagine they'll run any slower than they do under Gnome. My ThinkPad 390E takes about two minutes to even open the OpenOffice word processor.
[17:30] <evil_tech> you could try fluxbuntu. though you have to be pretty comfortable with command line and editing files to configure it to your liking
[17:30] <Barr1> So, given that nothing is free, what do you lose going to X? Prettiness and flashiness and menus and icons with shadow effects and stuff?
[17:31] <evil_tech> GUI
[17:31] <evil_tech> point and click, drag and drop and all the usual bells and whistles that come with a graphical interface
[17:32] <Barr1> Those aren't there in X?
[17:32] <gerro> wow peeps on here sure are chatty today
[17:32] <evil_tech> they are
[17:32] <evil_tech> i hope by x you mean xubuntu
[17:32] <Barr1> Yes.
[17:33] <gerro> Barrl: I use abiword instead of openoffice but you can have a preloader app going to load openoffice faster
[17:33] <Barr1> I don't do much with OpenOffice on this laptop anyway, so that isn't really an issue -- more of a benchmark.
[17:33] <evil_tech> things dont work as seamlessly on xubuntu as they might on ubuntu or kubuntu
[17:34] <evil_tech> people generally forget about us :(
[17:34] <Barr1> But, then there are new converts, too...
[17:34] <gerro> also depends on what modules it loads I think, there an article here and 2 other after it that involve mainly tweaking openoffice http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8308
[17:35] <gerro> evil_tech: eh tough luck for them xubuntu is awesome ^^
[17:35] <somerville32> :)
[17:35] <evil_tech> yeah i know i prefer it. just wish it worked as seamlessly with some things like kubuntu and ubuntu
[17:36] <gerro> what exactly are you speaking about anyway evil_tech?
[17:36] <Barr1> So, if I still have Firefox, and I still have Gaim, and a tolerable text editor and/or Idle for Python work, and I'm not a gamer, and I'm running on a Pentium II laptop from 1999, what reason would I have to NOT convert? What kind of quirks and non-seamless things should I expect?
[17:37] <evil_tech> well on my machine automounting works only half the time, compiz set up isnt as easy as it is on ubuntu,
[17:37] <gerro> Barrl: gaim is called pidgin now, and is it a laptop your using?
[17:37] <Barr1> Yes, a Thinkpad 390E.
[17:37] <evil_tech> opengl in fact flat out crashes X11 half the time
[17:38] <evil_tech> granted this is all mostly unnecessary stuff. the basic functions all perform fine
[17:38] <Barr1> So, automounting of, say, a USB thumb drive will be less reliable? What about Samba connections to a Windows box for file sharing and printing?
[17:38] <evil_tech> that and im a total noob still trying to not do things the microsoft way
[17:39] <gerro> evil_tech: but that has nothing to do with anything implemented in xubuntu specifically that would effect all ubuntu derivative works that rely on X11 (xorg)
[17:40] <evil_tech> the automounting is an issue
[17:40] <Barr1> The USB port on this laptop is flaky to start with. 6.10 was the first Linux I've had on it that had it working right anyway. (Several generations of RH/Fedora, and earlier Ubuntus had not recognized it out of the box.)
[17:40] <gerro> Barrl: all those are pretty much the same, the only thing I have noticed is regular ubuntu has that funky vnc app that looks awesome. However I like to use direct rendering accelleration in my vnc setup as well as different encryption support
[17:40] <evil_tech> cause it works fine when im in ubuntu on the same computer
[17:41] <gerro> evil_tech: what file system is your usb using anyway?
[17:41] <gerro> perhaps you recompiled your kernel and removed support for that file system
[17:41] <evil_tech> no
[17:42] <Barr1> I've not recompiled. There are just known issues with the USB on this hardware.
[17:42] <evil_tech> file system doesnt matter. device doesnt matter either
[17:42] <Barr1> I got it working once with a patch under Red Hat 9, but never managed to get it working in Fedora Core 1 or 2.
[17:42] <RandyboY> Im having a bit of a problem with my display settings... They keep changing without me doing anything... Where is the settings saved so i can take a backup and maybe restore when the problem occurs? And how do i reset xfce4 from a remote ssh session?
[17:42] <gerro> so its the same kernel your using for both?
[17:42] <evil_tech> yup
[17:43] <gerro> Barrl: can you give us some specs and perhaps the exact problem your having? is it an amd processor?
[17:43] <evil_tech> amd sempron 2800
[17:43] <evil_tech> 1gb ram
[17:44] <Barr1> I'm not having a problem now. Ubuntus since 6.10 have recognized the USB and mounted properly. I just want to make sure if I go to Xubuntu, I'm not going to lose that.
[17:44] <evil_tech> both ubuntu and xubuntu are using kernel 2.6.22-14
[17:44] <evil_tech> you wont
[17:44] <evil_tech> i think it is just my machine
[17:45] <gerro> RandyboY: its probably changing because you have the multiple desktop support set to different display settings, and you can issue gdm a restart to restart from ssh. /etc/X11/xorg.conf has graphical settings
[17:45] <Barr1> OK. That's all good news.
[17:45] <Barr1> How hard is it to switch from ubuntu to xubuntu?
[17:45] <gerro> ohhh I know what it is
[17:45] <gerro> Barrl: 6.10 first implemented a power saving mechanism in usb
[17:45] <gerro> I had to create specific udev rules for 6.10 and 7.04 for a usb based wireless nic
[17:46] <gerro> because that new feature didn't quite work right for it
[17:46] <Barr1> Huh.
[17:46] <evil_tech> Barr1: go to synaptic and install xubuntu-desktop
[17:46] <gerro> Barrl: not at all hard, if your using a pentium 2 you might want to just use xubuntu apps on blackbox desktop though, that's what I do with my laptop to save power
[17:47] <gerro> Barrl: yeah you can switch which environment opens by changing its gdm session
[17:47] <Barr1> Power's not the issue as much as speed, gerro. My battery is so shot, I'm tethered anyway.
[17:47] <gerro> power == speed
[17:47] <Barr1> Ah.
[17:48] <gerro> more speed then more power required
[17:48] <gerro> er.. something
[17:49] <Barr1> So, how do I "change its gdm session"?
[17:50] <gerro> when you login there will be spot talking about sessions
[17:50] <gerro> switch it from gnome to xfce
[17:50] <RandyboY> gerro, what can i do to resove the problem? Is backing up the settings(where ever they are stored) a solution? /etc/X11/xorg.conf doesnt seem to have other settings than different screen and monitor names.. No specific settings...
[17:50] <gerro> then go about like normal
[17:50] <Barr1> OK. Sounds easy enough. Thanks, evil_tech and gerro!
[17:50] <evil_tech> welcome
[17:51] <gerro> RandyboY: if xorg.conf isn't correct you could grab xorg.conf off of the live cd which auto configures things when it boots.
[17:52] <gerro> Barrl: here a nice howto for low performance computers, explains how to handle *box based window managers: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=125084
[17:53] <ciro314> hello !!. i've installed all gstreamer codecs and plugins from add/remove but "brasero" does not handle mp3 files to create an audio cd. How could i fix it ? thanks in advance
[17:54] <gerro> ciro314: had the same problem with k3b before but it auto installed the correct files to give that support, let me check a sec
[17:54] <RandyboY> gerro, the resetting of the xorg.conf doesnt seem to be a problem. " If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated again, run the following command: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg" But i was looking for a config file for my session which i could restore and then restart xfce maybe?
[17:56] <evil_tech> RandyboY: have you tried saving your session at logout?
[17:57] <gerro> RandyboY: if you want to play around with xorg, try reading man xorg.conf or googling it. Find out a lot of info on tweaking performance
[17:57] <gerro> RandyboY: yeah session saving might be problem like evil_tech says had that happen to me before
[17:58] <evil_tech> i forget where those are stored but you could try clearing em out. might be loading one you dont want
[17:59] <RandyboY> evil_tech, yeah, but im not planning logging out and in... The login screen doesnt "fit" my flat-tv...
[17:59] <RandyboY> so then i type in blinde
[17:59] <gerro> ciro314: its lame your missing it allows you to do audio stuff with burning
[17:59] <ciro314> ok. thanks i ll try
[18:00] <ciro314> gerro: ubuntu restricted ?
[18:02] <gerro> ciro314: I don't know perhaps it is and that is why its optional
[18:02] <gerro> ciro314: all I know is burning apps use it for audio related stuff
[18:07] <gerro> hey anyone know of a technique or app to send directly to other wireless devices without crossing a routing device? It would be a nice idea to share nfs wirelessly without wasting bandwidth for the hop
[18:08] <evil_tech> you'd have to set up an ad-hoc network
[18:11] <evil_tech> which would mean the devices would have to stop talking to the ap or router talk to each other and when done reauthenticate themselves with the router or ap again
[18:12] <gerro> yeah I thought doing such while staying authenticated with the router would probably require some wireless card specific driver hacks
[18:12] <evil_tech> the nature of wifi prevents you from doing it
[18:12] <gerro> evil_tech: do you use an ad-hoc network? I mean does it add latency with unneccesary hops?
[18:13] <evil_tech> no i use a routed network
[18:13] <evil_tech> i dont transfer big files by wireless. 54mbps is just not fast enough
[18:13] <evil_tech> and besides gotta make use of that gigabit ethernet somehow
[18:14] <gerro> I hear the newer wireless protocol n has much higher mbps
[18:14] <evil_tech> ad hoc is fine for a very small number of devices
[18:14] <gerro> I don't know how well it is supported by open source standards though
[18:14] <evil_tech> wireless n is supposed to more than double current bandwidth
[18:15] <gerro> yeah 100mbps or more, about same as ethernet
[18:15] <gerro> unless you get the fancy nics
[18:16] <evil_tech> they are trying to compete with 100mb ethernet so they want to beat it so they need faster than 200mbs (100mbs full duplex = 200mbs)
[18:16] <gerro> evil_tech: you got to factor in though can your hard drive write faster than 54mbps?
[18:16] <evil_tech> mine yes i have a 5 320gb SATAII raid 5 array
[18:17] <gerro> and I heard without certain patches linux kernel lags a bit when processing lot more than hard drive can keep up with something about pdflush however that might be old news
[18:17] <evil_tech> so 54mbps is a bottle neck
[18:17] <gerro> mostly have laptops when dealing with wireless and their hard drives aren't that fast though
[18:18] <gerro> mine barely clears 54mbps
[18:18] <evil_tech> yeah transferring from a laptop youll never hit the 54mps
[18:18] <gerro> what do you mean?
[18:19] <evil_tech> laptop hard drives just cant spit data out fast enough
[18:19] <gerro> ohh upload rate less than download rate?
[18:19] <evil_tech> yes and no
[18:20] <evil_tech> wireless is a half duplex (unless you are using MIMO or draft N maybe)
[18:20] <gerro> I need to run some more tests on my drives. I tried using hdparm some but don't know that much about them
[18:20] <gerro> ohh that's interesting to know
[18:21] <gerro> so 54mbps is actually 27mbps?
[18:21] <evil_tech> well you can get 54mps but only in one direction. the ap orrouter cant send data to you and recieve from you at the same time
[18:22] <evil_tech> whereas wired ethernet can send and recieve at the same time (provided you are using a switch and not a hub)
[18:22] <gerro> I read some where nfs is lot faster than samba and to expect some where around 48mbps over ethernet. I was curious how wireless would handle it
[18:22] <evil_tech> suppose it would be best to just play with it and find out what works
[18:22] <gerro> so your saying only upload or download don't do both
[18:22] <gerro> that explains a lot of lag I had gaming over wireless lol
[18:23] <evil_tech> yeah wireless can only talk to one device at a time and only send or recieve at any one time not both
[18:23] <evil_tech> yay i finally got to use some more of this stuff im learnign in school
[18:23] <evil_tech> :)
[18:23] <evil_tech> yay cisco
[18:23] <gerro> lol I took that class 2 years before
[18:24] <gerro> whined they never said much about wireless
[18:24] <evil_tech> its becoming very prevalent specially since they are getting closer and closer to wired 100mb/s ethernet
[18:25] <gerro> yeah and new studies on cellular phone based solutions to wireless networks
[18:26] <evil_tech> i have wireless DSL
[18:27] <gerro> when lower cost raid systems come out like how they're creating multi core processors, write speed will be able to keep up with higher bandwidth ethernet features and that should surpass wireless though
[18:27] <gerro> evil_tech: interesting, how's that going?
[18:27] <evil_tech> yeah thats true
[18:27] <evil_tech> it goes fairly well
[18:27] <evil_tech> its only 1.5mp/s
[18:27] <gerro> higher upload than download ratio?
[18:28] <evil_tech> but it works pretty much anywhere here is seattle
[18:28] <evil_tech> no higher download than upload :(
[18:28] <evil_tech> only 256mbps up
[18:28] <evil_tech> kbps*
[18:28] <gerro> just saying because my friend has the common adsl setup and gets higher upload than download
[18:29] <evil_tech> that isnt common. usually the other way around
[18:29] <gerro> when gaming on dsl the dedicated connection makes it seem so smooth in latency even though its a bit laggier
[18:29] <gerro> someone mentioned though dsl isn't good for streaming but I think that is if you use udp for streams instead of tcp
[18:30] <evil_tech> really wish US ISP would roll out sychronous dsl
[18:30] <evil_tech> well streams by nature are supposed to be UDP
[18:30] <evil_tech> you need the speed UDP offers rather than the reliability of TCP
[18:30] <gerro> oh wait I'm sorry it wasn't higher upload than download, higher ratio in relation to my own cable internet. I wrote specs down here
[18:31] <gerro> streaming used for gaming is tcp based which makes it seem more smoother on dsl
[18:32] <gerro> not as bursty is the term I was thinking of
[18:33] <evil_tech> ah
[18:34] <evil_tech> half tempted to go back to europe just so i can get synchronous dsl
[18:37] <gerro> I wish the UN would come to an agreement on power specifications to remove all these diversities between technical devices
[18:38] <gerro> what you move to united states for?
[18:39] <evil_tech> its where i am from. didnt have any marketable skills to stay in germany after i got out the military
[18:40] <gerro> ohh so you were positioned over there
[18:41] <evil_tech> yeah
[18:41] <gerro> germany used to be a nice spot with open source projects and things but current restrictions on security based software is just ignorant
[18:41] <gerro> like how US. has encryption export restrictions
[18:41] <gerro> always makes me wonder about repository I'm using for downloading stuff from if I'm out of the US.
[18:42] <gerro> maybe that thing compiled to support different standards that won't give me the best secure linux system
[18:42] <evil_tech> yeah
[18:44] <gerro> speaking of wireless and specifications I was eaves dropping on this fictional show and there was a drama about foreign electronics interfering with fire alarms is that an urban legend?..
[18:44] <ciro314> yes
[18:45] <gerro> in some environments though could some sort of.. radio or wireless whatever interface be applicable for an emergency umm thing
[18:45] <gerro> like how when I go to capital here they have these devices you press to call for help and I noticed elderly sometimes have them in their home
[18:45] <evil_tech> no
[18:46] <evil_tech> consumer electronics arent allowed to interfere with commercial emergency stuff
[18:46] <gerro> yes but what if foreign supplied electronics did interfere
[18:46] <evil_tech> that would suck
[18:46] <gerro> because of non standard compliances
[18:47] <evil_tech> and the fcc would find out and not allow the device to be used or have the manufacturer fix it
[18:47] <gerro> I was surprised to see that issue being displayed in a kiddie show but it caught my attention lol
[18:47] <gerro> could you be fined for using such a device? how could someone track you anyway?
[18:48] <evil_tech> someone would complain and once enough complaints are generated an investigation would start
[18:48] <evil_tech> there are all sorts of geeks out there with spectrum analyzers that love to find stuff out like this
[18:48] <gerro> I read an article about some guy in iraq giving out linux distros to people building IT networks there and how they made systems out of old nintendo boxes
[18:48] <gerro> I could just imagine some lazy terrorist running through with hacked up router having fire department freaking out thinking city on fire
[18:49] <gerro> kinda funny if you think about it
[18:49] <evil_tech> lol
[18:50] <evil_tech> the german government got very upset with my unit because we were transmitting wireless at 5 watts and it was interferring with cordless phones used in the building by base
[18:50] <gerro> how much would a sort of spectum analyzer (home made or otherwise) cost anyway? I know ethernet testers are huge kick in the wallet
[18:51] <evil_tech> have no clue
[18:51] <evil_tech> im sure someone with some experience in radio frequency and electronics could build one fairly cheap
[18:51] <gerro> I've seen certain home made laptops go far over cheap price but most do it just to say they built it themself
[18:51] <evil_tech> there are schematics for jamming devices on hack a day
[18:52] <gerro> lol was just reading about those
[18:52] <gerro> would you happen to know if those things are illegal in maryland state?
[18:53] <evil_tech> no clue
[18:53] <evil_tech> im pretty sure that they are illegal anywhere in the us
[18:53] <gerro> I would be interested in testing one since only my next door neighbor has wireless network here
[18:53] <evil_tech> violating the fcc rule that all consumer devices must not cause interference with commercial and must accept all interference from other devices
[18:54] <gerro> he don't mind though I called him up once to get him to switch frequency to higher setting so I could turn my router down to channel 5 for gameboy ds
[18:54] <gerro> ds linux is fun ^^
[18:54] <evil_tech> there is linux for the ds?
[18:54] <gerro> evil_tech: only problem is its not a consumer device since your not selling it
[18:55] <gerro> evil_tech: heck yeah it even has X support
[18:55] <gerro> I can do links frame buffered pages in graphics
[18:55] <TDBarnard> TheSheep: you available to answer a few more questions? still trying to track down why my a20m laptop won't successfully get an ip address from wildblue.
[18:55] <TheSheep> TDBarnard: shoot
[18:55] <gerro> TDBarnard: thesheep is always watching with them creepy sheep eyes *shiver*
[18:56] <evil_tech> heh
[18:56]  * TheSheep looks at gerro 
[18:56] <gerro> ahh..
[18:56]  * gerro ducks under desk
[18:56] <TDBarnard> TheSheep: i've been running tcpdump (tcpdump -ltvvv) on both the working desktop ubuntu system and the problem laptop
[18:56]  * TheSheep rises an eyebrow and the desk disappears in a puff of logic
[18:57] <TDBarnard> TheSheep: the laptop is accessing the net. i'm getting the following (typing it in, may take a little bit)...
[18:58] <gerro> TheSheep: how foolish of me forgot to tinfoil the desk too *nods*
[19:00] <gerro> TDBarnard: what is tcpdump -vvv is that verbose level? How many terminals does it take to issue that command? heh
[19:00] <TheSheep> gerro: try aptitude moo
[19:01] <zoredache_> !moo
[19:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about moo - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:01] <TheSheep> gerro: with differtent -vvv
[19:01] <zoredache_> humm, uboto doesn't moo?
[19:02] <zoredache> dpkg knows how to respond to moo....
[19:05] <gerro> zoredache: I just love it when noobs do !moo lol is there an app called bark? rofl
[19:05] <TDBarnard> IP (tos 0x10, ttl 64, id 0, offset 0, flags [none], proto UDP (17), length 328) 0.0.0.0.bootpc > 255.255.255.255.bootps: BOOTP/DHCP, Request from 00:00:86:4b:fc:bd (oui Unknown), length 300, xid 0x5449d335, Flags [none] (0x0000)
[19:05] <TDBarnard>     Client-Ethernet-Address 00:00:86:4b:fc:bd (oui Unknown) [|bootp]
[19:05] <TDBarnard> IP (tos 0x10, ttl 255, id 40779, offset 0, flags [none], proto UDP (17), length 389) 75.106.200.1.bootps > 255.255.255.255.bootpc: BOOTP/DHCP, Reply, length 361, xid 0xf64a55f82, Flags [Broadcast] (0x8000)
[19:05] <TDBarnard>     Your-IP 75.106.202.95
[19:05] <TDBarnard>     Server-IP 10.230.40.12
[19:05] <TDBarnard>     Gateway-IP 75.106.200.1
[19:05] <TDBarnard>     Client-Ethernet-Address 00:15:e2:d4:8d:3e (oui unknown)
[19:05] <TDBarnard>     sname "10.230.40."[|bootp]
[19:05] <gerro> ah lag stop it barnard
[19:06] <gerro> yeah I know you accidentally hit the paste macro, could you please disable that in your client TDBarnard?
[19:06] <TDBarnard> TheSheep: From this I gather that wildblue is responding back so the question is what's preventing the xubuntu system from configuring the IP
[19:06] <TDBarnard> sorry 'bout that guys
[19:07] <gerro> think my paste shortcut still works for xchat
[19:09] <TheSheep> TDBarnard: maybe you should try that alternate dhcp client?
[19:09] <TDBarnard> did... same problem
[19:10] <TheSheep> TDBarnard: that tcpdump was done on the laptop that didn't work?
[19:10] <TDBarnard> TheSheep: yep
[19:11] <gerro> evil_tech: anyway nice chatting with you, pm me your SN if you want to chat later g2g
[19:13] <TDBarnard> TheSheep: so it appears the ethernet card is working but for some reason dhclient3/dhcpcd are failing to complete the configuration - but i have no idea why
[19:13] <TheSheep> TDBarnard: they claim they didn't get any response
[19:14] <TDBarnard> TheSheep: yeah, it's weird
[19:14] <TheSheep> TDBarnard: have you tried to set those values you see in that bootp response as a static ip?
[19:14] <gerro> can't you set those clients as static ips instead of dhcp?....
[19:15] <gerro> dhcp over wireless is an insecurity anyway
[19:15] <TDBarnard> TheSheep: yes, and it works for a short time, then i'm guessing the lease is expiring
[19:15] <TheSheep> gerro: but that's not a good long-term solution
[19:15] <TDBarnard> gerro: not wireless, wired... satellite provider
[19:15] <gerro> depends on his network size I guess, I meant only settings those as dhcp not the entire network
[19:15] <gerro> bleh I mean static sorry
[19:16] <gerro> ohh wired sorry all this talk about wireless I was confused
[19:16] <TDBarnard> gerro: wildblue (satellite broadband provider) will assign me a static ip, IF i'm willing to pay them an extra $75/mo... no thanks
[19:16] <gerro> are you the provider or the consumer?
[19:16] <gerro> ohhh I see
[19:17] <TDBarnard> gerro: consumer
[19:17] <gerro> and you say your device is not receiving a dhcp address.. hmm
[19:17] <gerro> is it an ubuntu firewall server or something you got setup?
[19:18] <gerro> I would probably call them up and see if problem on their end
[19:18] <gerro> seeing as you got logs of everything
[19:18] <gerro> has it worked in the past?
[19:18] <TDBarnard> gerro: that was my working idea until i ran tcpdump... i am receiving the addressing but dhclient is saying no offers received... not a prob on there end as i also have an ubuntu system working just fine... laptop is running xubuntu
[19:19] <gerro> if your lazy like me could setup a tcpdump script as a sort of wrapper to manually assign address
[19:19] <gerro> but that isn't a very good solution ^^
[19:20] <gerro> TDBarnard: what is the device your laptop is plugged into exactly?
[19:21] <TheSheep> TDBarnard: just an idea. what if you skip the hub?
[19:21] <TheSheep> TDBarnard: and connect directly?
[19:22] <TDBarnard> gerro: both the laptop and desktop plug into a dumb 4-port hub which is plugged into a broadband modem (sutfbeam satellite modem) provided by wildblue
[19:22] <TDBarnard> TheSheep: tried that again this morning when i got dhcpcd loaded.. makes no difference
[19:23] <TheSheep> TDBarnard: are the mac addresses you get in the reply ok?
[19:25] <gerro> TDBarnard: I would recommend getting a router, don't see why people use hubs usually get odd errors like this
[19:25] <TDBarnard> TheSheep: in both cases (desktop and laptop) the reply says (Unknown); however that causes no problem with the desktop system - as it's working fine. i called wildblue techsupport - they know nothing about linux but stated they don't care what the MAC address is, i.e., no need to register it with them
[19:26] <TheSheep> yes, bnut the reply must be for the right mac, otherwise it's ignored
[19:26] <TheSheep> TDBarnard: dhcpcd has an option to be very verbose
[19:26] <TheSheep> TDBarnard: maybe start it with that option?
[19:26] <gerro> a hub plugged into modem, that brings to mind so many network errors that could dos your system...
[19:27] <TheSheep> gerro: what?
[19:27] <gerro> TDBarnard: just whatever you do don't let friend use vista to video stream on your network ^^
[19:27] <gerro> was reading about that yesterday
[19:27] <TDBarnard> TheSheep: well i tried plugging the laptop directly into the surfbeam modem and get the exact same behavior. i wouldn't mind doing that right now if it made a difference, unfortunately tried that earlier today and same problem - no difference in tcpdump either
[19:28] <TheSheep> TDBarnard: maybe the dhcpcd would tell why it is ignoring the response?
[19:28] <gerro> TDBarnard: can we fallback to plan B and do something newbieish like copy random network stuff from /etc over to xubuntu laptop?
[19:29] <Barry> Hello. I've just switched from gnome to the xubuntu desktop, and so far I'm pleased. But, music files are no longer playing. The volume dial on my laptop is up all the way, In both RhythmBox and Movie Player, the volume icon indicates my system volume is all the way up. But I get nothing. This is an MP3 that played without issue before I switched to xubuntu. Any ideas?
[19:30] <TDBarnard> gerro: i suppose so... how much of a difference is there between an Ubuntu /etc vs. Xubuntu /etc? desktop is ubuntu, not xubuntu
[19:30] <gerro> Barry: use the sound mixer app for xubuntu panel. Make sure gstreamer plugins are installed and think there is some sort of xine-totem thing that causes issues with plugins I forget what though
[19:30] <TDBarnard> gerro: incidently, already tried reinstalling xubuntu from scratch... no difference doing that
[19:30] <TheSheep> Barry: you migth need to install libxine-extracodecs, xubuntu uses a different set of libraries than gnome, and it might be missing the codecs
[19:30] <gerro> TDBarnard: its more a hardware difference than environment one and you'd have to ask sheep what files could be related to the issue, I'm no expert in that category
[19:31] <gerro> TDBarnard: have you tried spoofing the mac address of your desktop computer?
[19:31] <gerro> TDBarnard: might be an issue with your hub too try using its port
[19:31] <Barry> Thanks gerro and TheSheep. Both players seem to think they're playing the file -- progress bar moves, no errors. Just no sound.
[19:31] <gerro> the same one your desktop does that is
[19:31] <TheSheep> "Dear Sir, if you could please direct the orders to *me* next time, I will be able to do them faster, and not rely on the kindness of random people you send them to.
[19:31] <Barry> I'll try the libxine-extracodecs and see if that does it.
[19:31] <TheSheep> sorry
[19:32] <gerro> Barry: did you reinstall the system or just the xubuntu-desktop?
[19:32] <TDBarnard> gerro: haven't tried that yet
[19:32] <Barry> gerro: Just the desktop.
[19:32] <TheSheep> Barry: another think you can check is opening 'alsamixzer' in a terminall and making sure no channel is set to 'mute'
[19:33] <gerro> TheSheep: isn't that mute feature present in xfce's mixer app?
[19:33] <TheSheep> gerro: I don't trust it :)
[19:33] <gerro> I usually use the alsamixer on my laptop and never noticed much difference seeing as I rarely change sound volume
[19:34] <TheSheep> ,,,,,,,3
[19:34] <TheSheep> ,
[19:34] <TheSheep> ,,,,,
[19:34] <TheSheep> ,3
[19:34] <gerro> Barry: one very very weird issue I had before is there was this audio jack option that when disabled turned back on my sound for one computer I hear it is a common problem with certain sound cards
[19:34] <TheSheep> ,
[19:34] <TheSheep> ,3
[19:34] <TheSheep> ouch
[19:35] <TheSheep> sorry, sorry
[19:35] <TheSheep> keyboard trouble :(
[19:35] <gerro> TheSheep: keyboard is *not* food :P
[19:35] <gerro> TheSheep: sorry my little sister teething, tried to chomp on my keyboard before :(
[19:36] <Barry> The alsamixer did the trick. Thanks, TheSheep!
[19:37] <Barry> (By the way, Jonathan Coulton rocks.)
[19:38] <gerro> Barry: what genre? what codec?
[19:39] <Barry> gerro: investigate at www.jonathancoulton.com  He does music for geeks and other humans. Rock, With a touch of humor. Creative Commons license, mp3 format.
[19:40] <gerro> what is with that whole debate of ogg vs mp3?
[19:40] <Barry> ogg is free. End of debate.
[19:40] <Barry> On the other hand, my mp3 player plays mp3s.
[19:40] <gerro> what about performance factor?
[19:41] <gerro> yeah some music players don't play ogg I heard or fully support some of its specifications
[19:42] <gerro> flac hmm isn't that the more formal term for ogg?
[19:43] <TheSheep> gerro: no, flac is a loseless format
[19:43] <TheSheep> gerro: used for various advanced uses
[19:44] <gerro> oh I thought .ogg was just a file extension thing. nvm
[19:44] <TheSheep> gerro: yes, .ogg is just a container
[19:44] <gerro> what do you mean by that?
[19:44] <TheSheep> gerro: ogg files can contain multiple audio and video streams
[19:45] <gerro> ahh so ogg is an upper layer file type
[19:45] <gerro> that's very interesting
[19:46] <TheSheep> gerro: most multimedia formats are like that
[19:47] <gerro> I thought you meant multiple as in some sort of video stream layering stuff like done in jpeg photos for odd transparency kicks
[19:48] <gerro> eh I'll just rtfm thx for trying to explain it though sheep
[19:49] <Barry> Meanwhile, hit his site or youtube for RE: Your Brains, or Code Monkey, and enjoy the Coulton. Thanks for the help!
[19:50] <gerro> whatever you say buddy
[19:51] <TheSheep> sigh, free ads
[20:05] <Pixilarion> TheSheep: I'm looking for a terminal command that will display what grapichs card I have
[20:05] <Pixilarion> i googled but didn't find anything yet
[20:05] <Pixilarion> maybe you can help?
[20:06] <Pixilarion> TheSheep: found it
[20:06] <Pixilarion> sorry
[20:06] <Pixilarion> just randomly tried :)
[20:06] <Pixilarion> "lspci" did the job
[20:07] <t41tresko> uh, might be a lame q, but how do you change languages in xfce?
[20:08] <t41tresko> oh, sorry! lol, language support
[20:08] <cliebow>  nighto
[20:08] <t41tresko> nite
[20:18] <t41tresko> flash, tv, java, and whatnot out of the box! wow, thanx a bunch!
[20:23] <senkin> hi
[20:24] <senkin> anyone happen to know why the new ati driver freezes x everytime i run an opengl program? :p
[20:52] <Mark76> Hey Evil
[20:53] <Mark76> Evening vonck
[20:54] <Schrooms> dous anny one know how i can save my screensaver settings?
[20:55] <Schrooms> becouse when i reboot my screensaver is turned off , again
[20:57] <Mark76> How strange
[20:59] <Schrooms> indeed strange , when i star my screensaver setting app int ask me to start it and i press the yes button?
[20:59] <Schrooms> then i reboot and my screensaver is turned off
[21:00] <Schrooms> weard
[21:00] <Mark76> Maybe you shouldn't
[21:02] <Mark76> I want a Doctor Who vortex screensaver
[21:03] <Mark76> Or flying Daleks :)
[21:04] <Schrooms> i like the particle thingies
[21:07] <Mark76> What are those?
[21:10] <Schrooms> multy collor pixels grouped together forming a shape
[21:11] <totalwormface> doctor who has a vortex of his own? :O
[21:12] <Mark76> The time tunnel thing in the opening titles sequence
[21:13] <totalwormface> yeah i know, didn't know it was the doctor's personal vortex
[21:15] <Mark76> It is now
[21:15] <Mark76> All the other Time Lords are dead
[21:15] <totalwormface> the time war was a scam
[21:15] <totalwormface> all timelords have transported into the time after the end of the universe
[21:16] <totalwormface> the doctor will too, one day
[21:16] <totalwormface> unfortunaly they took the daleks with them
[21:16] <totalwormface> opening a whole new spectrum for adventures
[21:16] <Mark76> Yay
[21:17] <Mark76> Sontarans are back next season, btw
[21:17] <Mark76> What's the best Linux app for dealing with a cloned warrior race?
[21:21] <somerville32> 8O
[21:21] <Mark76> 8O?
[21:21] <somerville32> Look sideways
[21:21] <Mark76> Ah
[21:21] <Mark76> Hmm
[21:21] <somerville32> 8p
[21:21] <Mark76> Anyone know how to get RSS working in Epiphany?
[21:40] <Mark76> Suspend doesn't work
[21:48] <somerville32> doh
[21:49] <Mark76> Funny, it used to
[22:09] <Mark76> Anyone know how to save a google map image?
[22:22] <Mark76> Anyone know how to create transparent shapes in Inkscape?
[22:23] <TheSheep> Mark76: at least 3 ways
[22:23] <TheSheep> Mark76: 1. make the whole object transparent, setting the global transparency for it
[22:23] <TheSheep> 2. make its filling trasparent, by setting the transparency of its fill color
[22:24] <Mark76> How do I do that?
[22:24] <TheSheep> 3. use some gradient or something
[22:24] <TheSheep> Mark76: just edit the color and move the transparency slider?
[22:25] <Mark76> Found it!
[22:25] <Mark76> Cool
[22:26] <Mark76> IS there an easy way to create concentric circles in Inkscape?
[22:27] <TheSheep> Mark76: sure
[22:27] <Mark76> Go on
[22:27] <TheSheep> Mark76: create one, then make 'linked offset'
[22:27] <Mark76> Linked offset?
[22:28] <Mark76> Which menu?
[22:28] <TheSheep> Mark76: but personally I would just create one crice, duplicate it, make it bigger, duplicate again, make bigger, etc.
[22:29] <Mark76> How do I expand it?
[22:30] <TheSheep> Mark76: select it, hold ctrl and rag one of the corners
[22:30] <TheSheep> drag
[22:30] <TheSheep> Mark76: sorry, shift+ctrl
[22:30] <Mark76> ISn't there a more accurate way?
[22:31] <TheSheep> zoom in
[22:33] <Mark76> Hmm
[22:34] <TheSheep> Mark76: if you hold down shift, the circle will remain centered
[22:35] <TheSheep> Mark76: and the ctrl will keep it a circle
[22:35] <samdude9> go
[22:35] <samdude9> *hi
[22:35] <Mark76> I want each each circle to be 2x the previous one
[22:36] <samdude9> (not a good start)
[22:36] <TheSheep> Mark76: just make some rules first
[22:36] <SeveredCross> Any suggestions for getting GStreamer apps to run on Xubuntu?
[22:37] <TheSheep> Mark76: you can use the rulers at the edges for exact placement
[22:37] <samdude9> does anyone know how to get a intel fed card to work with 7.10?
[22:37] <SeveredCross> No matter what I tried, I couldn't seem to get Banshee/Rhythmbox/Exaile to fire up, all kept reporting some sort of registry problem (don't remember the exact text now).
[22:37] <samdude9> *gfx
[22:37] <TheSheep> samdude9: fed?
[22:37] <SeveredCross> Installed all kinds of gnome dependencies, GStreamer stuff, everything.
[22:37] <SeveredCross> I'd rather not use Audacious/XMMS, they're horrific.
[22:37] <samdude9> sorry my typing is terrible as in on a pda
[22:38] <TheSheep> SeveredCross: works for me, maybe you should investigate that "some kind of registry problem", which is pretty weird, because Linux doesn't have registry
[22:38] <tonyyarusso> SeveredCross: same as TheSheep here
[22:38] <SeveredCross> Nothing useful comes up Google...Maybe it's some weird PowerPC thing. :-\
[22:39] <SeveredCross> Let me reinstall Rhythmbox and try it again.
[22:39] <TheSheep> SeveredCross: maybe try disabling other apps that might be using sound
[22:39] <samdude9> anyway, in having some problems getting cedega to pass its 'opengl' and '3d acceleration' tests
[22:39] <SeveredCross> Did that, but I'll try things again.
[22:39] <samdude9> I expect my drivers are awful wrong but in not sure what to do
[22:40] <samdude9> any suggestions?
[22:40] <Mark76> Okay, what about grouping?
[22:40] <TheSheep> samdude9: I don't know, but you might get better answers on #wine
[22:40] <TheSheep> Mark76: what about it
[22:40] <samdude9> in thx
[22:40] <Mark76> I want to group the rings so I can duplicate them and use them again
[22:41] <TheSheep> Mark76: what stops you?
[22:41] <SeveredCross> I wonder if it's just something to do with the fact that this is running on an ANCIENT iMac.
[22:41] <SeveredCross> Rev. A, 1998, 233 Mhz.
[22:41] <Mark76> I don't know how
[22:41] <TheSheep> Mark76: there is a command in the menu, on the toolbar *and* in the popup menu for that :)
[22:42] <TheSheep> Mark76: choose one
[22:42] <TheSheep> Mark76: ah, sorry, not in the popup
[22:42] <Mark76> I tried the Group command but it didn't work
[22:42] <TheSheep> Mark76: works for me
[22:43] <Mark76> I'm used to having to select the objects to be grouped first
[22:43] <TheSheep> Mark76: yes
[22:44] <TheSheep> Mark76: that's how the "Group selected objects" command works
[22:44] <Mark76> Yah, but I don't know which keys to hold down
[22:44] <TheSheep> ?
[22:45] <TheSheep> you don't need to hold any keys, just select the circles and select the group command from the menu or toolbar
[22:45] <SeveredCross> Well, I think I may have found it.
[22:45] <SeveredCross> I'm missing ~/.gstreamer-0.10/registry.powerpc.xml
[22:46] <TheSheep> SeveredCross: if it's in your ~, then shouldn't it be created when needed?
[22:46] <SeveredCross> I would think so, but GStreamer doesn't.
[22:46] <Mark76> The circles are all on top of each other
[22:46] <SeveredCross> Ugh, known bug in gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg on PPC...Let's see if removing ffmpeg helps.
[22:46] <TheSheep> SeveredCross: is the dirtectory writebale for you?
[22:46] <brick__> i see that latetly the wish process has been using more and more cpu res. what exactly does it do?
[22:47] <TheSheep> brick__: it's a TCL interpreter
[22:47] <SeveredCross> Yep.
[22:47] <SeveredCross> Actually, it doesn't exist. Hmm.
[22:47]  * SeveredCross creates it.
[22:47] <brick__> hmm. amsn then.... its the only thing i have that uses tcl i think.. atleast tcl was installed with amsn .
[22:48] <SeveredCross> Same thing.
[22:50] <TheSheep> Mark76: you can just drag with the selection tool to select multiple objects
[22:51] <TheSheep> Mark76: or you can shift+click with it to select-unselect single objects
[22:51] <TheSheep> Mark76: you should have the help displayd at the bootom in the status line
[22:51] <Mark76> Okay
[22:52] <Mark76> Thanks :)
[22:54] <Mark76> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD38SQ8srXw
[22:57] <TheSheep> !ot | Mark76
[22:57] <ubotu> Mark76: #xubuntu is the Xubuntu support channel, #xubuntu-devel for discussion regarding development of Xubuntu, and #xubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[23:05] <SeveredCross> Bah. I found a fix for the error (liboil downgrade), but it leaves gstreamer plugins borked.
[23:06] <SeveredCross> Bah. Looks like I have to rebuild liboil.
[23:06] <TheSheep> SeveredCross: report the bug, please
[23:07] <SeveredCross> Already reported.
[23:07] <SeveredCross> The bug status claims its libvisual related and a fix was issued, but there's no damn fix that I can see.
[23:07] <SeveredCross> Apparently there's a patched liboil deb there that I missed...Let's see if that works.
[23:08] <SeveredCross> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/liboil/+bug/72814
[23:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 72814 in libvisual "Crash at login" [Medium,Confirmed]
[23:09] <SeveredCross> If you read the discussion, you'll see it's not at ALL related to libvisual.
[23:09] <TheSheep> SeveredCross: then change it
[23:11] <SeveredCross> Working on it--I'm doing this on 233 Mhz iMac, takes a little while. :-P
[23:12] <TheSheep> just use the right tools (lynx)
[23:17] <SeveredCross> Or maybe the fixed deb didn't fix it. What the balls.
[23:20] <TheSheep> SeveredCross: at least they have one more tester to help them fix it :)
[23:27] <SeveredCross> :-P
[23:39] <Mark76> Anyone who says Linux never crashes is a big fat liar
[23:40] <evil_tec1> it crashes less and recovers quickly
[23:41] <Mark76> Still crashes though
[23:41] <Mark76> And I hate having to keep cold booting
[23:42] <Mark76> It's no fun when you can't even alt ctrl exc your way out of a malfunctioning program
[23:42] <Mark76> esc
[23:43] <Mark76> Because its locked the mouse and keyboard
[23:46] <Mark76> Please tell me it's not just my computer that happens to
[23:49] <TheSheep> Mark76: it's juts your computer
[23:49] <Mark76> Grr
[23:49] <evil_tec1> yeah
[23:49] <TheSheep> Mark76: alt+ctrl+f1 doesn't work either?
[23:50] <Mark76> When this particular thing happens, no
[23:50] <TheSheep> Mark76: any details on "this particular thing"?
[23:50] <Mark76> Nothing responds and pressing the on switch on the computer turns it straight off
[23:51] <TheSheep> Mark76: and you might want to examine your kernel log to see what happened
[23:51] <Mark76> No boot down or anything
[23:51] <Mark76> It seems to happen most often when I use programs that rely on openGL
[23:51] <Mark76> I ahve a kernal log?
[23:52] <Mark76> Where is it?
[23:53] <TheSheep> Mark76: in /var/log
[23:53] <TheSheep> Mark76: like all the logs
[23:53] <Mark76> I have two
[23:53] <SeveredCross> You should always be able to use the magic SysRq keys.
[23:53] <TheSheep> Mark76: what graphics card?
[23:53] <Mark76> Kern.log and kern.log.0
[23:53] <TheSheep> SeveredCross: that's not guaranteed :)
[23:54] <SeveredCross> True. :-)
[23:54] <TheSheep> Mark76: the second one is the old one, from the previous run
[23:54] <Mark76> Nvidia Riva TNT2 Sheep
[23:54] <TheSheep> Mark76: you use binary drivers from nvidia?
[23:54] <Mark76> I have the restricted drivers enabled
[23:54] <TheSheep> Mark76: blame nvidia
[23:55] <Mark76> Otherwise I wouldn't be able to play some of the games
[23:55] <TheSheep> Mark76: their drivers are a pile of crap code
[23:55] <Mark76> Yeah, but the Linux ones don't give you 3D
[23:56] <evil_tec1> ive given up on trying to any intensive 3d gaming in linux
[23:56] <TheSheep> Mark76: I have an nvidia card here too, it works fine when I boot a cold computer. But when the GPU is warm and I have AGP enabled, it just hangs, pretty much like yours
[23:56] <evil_tec1> just never seems to work
[23:56] <evil_tec1> stupid piece of **** computer of mine is mostly to blame
[23:56] <Mark76> GPU?
[23:56] <TheSheep> Mark76: of course doesn't happen with the open source drivers
[23:57] <TheSheep> Mark76: Graphics Processing Unit, like CPU but on the graphics card
[23:57] <Mark76> But the OS drivers don't do 3d acceleration.
[23:57] <TheSheep> Mark76: unfortunately
[23:58] <TheSheep> Mark76: that's because nvidia hogs the documentation
[23:58] <Mark76> :(
[23:58] <Mark76> Why do they do that?
[23:58] <TheSheep> Mark76: as soon as the docs are out, you'll have 3d faster than on windows
[23:58] <Mark76> Do they think we'll all rush out and make pirate copies of their hardware?
[23:58] <TheSheep> Mark76: they have some patented code in there
[23:59] <Mark76> Will the docs ever be out?
[23:59] <TheSheep> Mark76: and some that's not patented, but a 'trade secret'
[23:59] <TheSheep> Mark76: bugeer them with e-mails :)
[23:59] <evil_tec1> but i want SLI and 3d in linux!!!! :'(
[23:59] <Mark76> Bugger them?
[23:59] <TheSheep> Mark76: there is a project to reverse engineer them, but it's slow, they have some features of some cards working already
[23:59] <Mark76> I'm not sure that would be appropriate
[23:59] <TheSheep> Mark76: bug, sorry
[23:59] <Mark76> Ah