[00:00] <sub[t]rnl> driver=drive
[00:00] <sub[t]rnl> or you could just go ahead and boot up the normal way, and enable the restricted driver with two clicks
[00:00] <JimBob> well, I did enable the driver with 2 clicks the normal way, but i says a reboot is required, which in turn would loose the setting (with a live dvd)...
[00:03] <Angelus> is it normal that wine crashes you're whole system?
[00:03] <Angelus> or is it because im using compiz=fusion and wine?
[00:04] <sub[t]rnl> shouldn't crash
[00:04] <sub[t]rnl> i run the two without problems
[00:04] <Angelus> hmm
[00:04] <sub[t]rnl> what are you trying to run in wine?
[00:04] <Angelus> when i kill the wine application, my computer becomes fast again
[00:04] <Angelus> Google Scetchup
[00:05] <Angelus> 3D application to scetch buildings
[00:05] <Angelus> creates 3D models of buildings
[00:06] <sub[t]rnl> check winehq database
[00:06] <sub[t]rnl> i'm sure its in there
[00:09] <JimBob> so, back to my proprietary ati driver question: since the 'normal' activation requires a reboot (which kinda nullifies its use with a live cd), is there any way to activate the driver before the actual bootup?
[00:09] <JimBob> I'm pretty sure *someone* must have faced such a problem before ;)
[00:10] <Dragnslcr> You shouldn't need to reboot to use a new video driver, just restart X
[00:11] <Dragnslcr> Of course, I don't know if you can just restart X from the Live CD
[00:11] <JimBob> you can - i'll be right back after *this* short break ;)
[00:11] <biovore> ctrl-alt-backspace works I think..
[00:16] <Lam_> i can't seem to view anything in smb:/ because it times out on me.  i have samba and smbfs installed. does anyone know why?
[00:17] <hellraizor_> i know this much i can't get smb to work
[00:18] <sub[t]rnl> !samba
[00:18] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[00:18] <Lam_> well, i'm trying to access my kubuntu desktop, so it's not a windows thing
[00:19] <hellraizor_> well here in about 40 min. i'm goin to be on fedora
[00:19] <hellraizor_> downloading the live cd
[00:20] <hellraizor_> i have gentoo on one harddrive thought i see what fedora is like
[00:22] <hellraizor_> any one here use fedora
[00:22] <hellraizor_> or ever try it
[00:22] <blueyed> Does compiz work for you in Kubuntu/KDE? Here it says "Error: Another window manager is already running on screen: 0"; full terminal output at http://pastebin.com/d34530fcf - it used to work in the end of Gutsy development cycle and still works with Gnome.
[00:22] <hellraizor_> yes i get the same thang
[00:23] <blueyed> hellraizor_: the compiz one?
[00:23] <blueyed> Then I'll report a bug about it.
[00:23] <hellraizor_> did that
[00:23] <blueyed> ok, where?
[00:23] <hellraizor_> kubuntu on there site is a bug report
[00:24] <blueyed> hellraizor_: on launchpad.net
[00:24] <blueyed> ?
[00:24] <morphinex> anyone using gmaail imap with kmail?
[00:24] <hellraizor_> let me look
[00:24] <morphinex> And know how I can get rid of that annoying [Gmail] directory that duplicates everything in my inbox
[00:24] <blueyed> hellraizor_: I've not found something when searching for the error.
[00:25] <sub[t]rnl> blueyed: are you using compiz --replace
[00:25] <hellraizor_> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug/+login
[00:26] <blueyed> sub[t]rnl: yes, see the pastebin
[00:26] <blueyed> hellraizor_: that's not a bug url
[00:26] <ardchoille> I'm finding k3b to be more powerful than I thought.
[00:26] <blueyed> what's your launchpad.net account name, hellraizor_?
[00:26] <blueyed> sub[t]rnl: does it work for you?
[00:27] <sub[t]rnl> compiz? yeah
[00:27] <blueyed> sub[t]rnl: yes, it used to work for me, too - but I've not used it for a few days/weeks and now it does not anymore.
[00:28] <hellraizor_> looking for it i posted one time it's been somtime ago
[00:28] <blueyed> hellraizor_: if you tell me your account name then I could look in the bugs you've reported. Or did you forget that one actually?
[00:29] <BluesKaj> morphinex, I'm using the autofowarding feature in gmail to kmail
[00:29] <BluesKaj> if that's what you want to do
[00:30] <morphinex> BluesKaj: Well, I'm checking my gmail account using imap since they just implemented it
[00:31] <BluesKaj> why imap?
[00:31] <BluesKaj> never used it
[00:31] <morphinex> Because it is awesome ;)
[00:32] <morphinex> BluesKaj: it letrs you keep all your email clients in synch
[00:32] <morphinex> BluesKaj: by storing all the emails on the server
[00:32] <BluesKaj> what's different than pop mail
[00:33] <BluesKaj> think my ISP mail syaten rquires pop3
[00:33] <BluesKaj> system
[00:33] <morphinex> BluesKaj: POP just downloads the messages, whereas with imap your entire directory sturucture is duplicated on the server, so if you have a laptop and desktop you can keep them perfectly in synch
[00:34] <morphinex> BluesKaj: So when I reply to an email using my laptop, my desktop knows about that and the message is marked as replied to across all my email clients
[00:34] <BluesKaj> just my pc and wifes pc , no laptops ..
[00:35] <skeet> ok guys what do i have to do to get this http://youtube.com/watch?v=kYgV2GlsufI
[00:35] <BluesKaj> ok, gotcha morphinex
[00:36] <morphinex> BluesKaj: But the way gmail implements it is kidn of crazy and annoying, and I have to mark every read message as read twice
[00:36] <sub[t]rnl> skeet: compiz-fusion > beryl
[00:36] <sub[t]rnl> beryl's a dated relic
[00:37] <blueyed> skeet: try "compiz --replace" in a konsole
[00:37] <blueyed> (for a start)
[00:37] <bazhang> in a console I think you add the &
[00:38] <bazhang> alt +f2 for the one without ;}
[00:38] <sub[t]rnl> the & free's the console
[00:38] <blueyed> bazhang: yes, you can - to have it in the background. But you should not close the konsole anyway, with or without "&" :)
[00:38] <rudy_> hola
[00:39] <BluesKaj> beryl, compiz-fusion ...just there to kill vista's eye candy thing
[00:39] <blueyed> Also, the konsole is handy to see what goes wrong, e.g. in my case.
[00:39] <rudy_> alguien que sepa hablar español
[00:39] <bazhang> blueyed: thanks for the tip!
[00:39] <bazhang> !es | rudy_
[00:39] <ubotu> rudy_: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[00:39] <blueyed> bazhang: so it works for you?
[00:39] <bazhang> oh yeah
[00:40] <rudy_> gracias
[00:40] <danny> how do i delete partions on kubuntu 7.04
[00:40] <bazhang> no problem
[00:40] <danny> i have it installed on hdd drive
[00:40] <danny> partitions
[00:40] <blueyed> danny, try gparted
[00:40] <nosrednaekim> danny: get qtparted
[00:40] <skeet> skeet@TheLoveShack:~$ compiz --replace
[00:40] <skeet> Checking for Xgl: not present.
[00:40] <skeet> Blacklisted PCIID '1002:4153' found
[00:40] <skeet> aborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/metacity
[00:40] <skeet> Not initializing the Gtk-Qt theme engine
[00:40] <danny> get it in adept
[00:41] <danny> ?
[00:41] <nosrednaekim> skeet: what card is that?
[00:41] <[ifr0g]> Where are the setting for the distance bet icons.. etc ??
[00:41] <skeet> ati radeon 9550
[00:41] <cooler> how do I search for other irc channels?
[00:41] <nosrednaekim> skeet: what driver?
[00:41] <blueyed> cooler: in Konversation?
[00:41] <skeet> idk
[00:41] <nosrednaekim> skeet: did you get the restricted one>
[00:42] <cooler> yes, does any kind of a list exsist?
[00:42] <skeet> i think so
[00:42] <blueyed> cooler: press F5
[00:42] <cooler> how can I speak direcly to you - whisper?
[00:42] <jacques> did you guys using kmail and gmail, ever have kmail dump messages from the inbox to "all mail" folder
[00:42] <cooler> like you do to me?
[00:42] <webvictim> /query blueyed
[00:43] <blueyed> cooler: I'm not querying you. I just put your nick in front of the message.
[00:43] <cooler> aaaaaaaaa
[00:43] <cooler> :)
[00:43] <blueyed> cooler: try "blu<tab>" :)
[00:43] <webvictim> oh, heh :P
[00:43] <danny> i need a konsole comand to get qparted please help, or just a command to get a partition remover
[00:44] <webvictim> isn't it "qtparted"?
[00:44] <wesley> how do i take a screenshot with compiz fusion i push the window button and 1 but nothing happings ( plugin is on )
[00:44] <danny> yes
[00:44] <blueyed> danny: parted then.
[00:44] <danny> parted?
[00:44] <blueyed> for a console tool
[00:44] <cooler> blueyed: thx for helo :)
[00:44] <BluesKaj> sudo apt-get install qtparted
[00:44] <skeet> so what should i do now?
[00:45] <BluesKaj> or, sudo apt-get install gparted
[00:46] <danny> none work
[00:46] <BluesKaj> danny, pls expalin in more detail
[00:47] <danny> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[00:47] <danny> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[00:47] <bazhang> skeet: do you have the advanced desktop effects manager installed?
[00:47] <skeet> i think so ya
[00:47] <blueyed> danny: use "sudo" in front of the command
[00:47] <BluesKaj> !adeptfix | danny
[00:47] <ubotu> danny: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[00:48] <bazhang> should be in the menu under settings
[00:48] <bazhang> the kmenu, that is
[00:49] <danny> ok
[00:49] <danny> i did
[00:49] <bazhang> danny: the drivers for 3D effects for that card installed?
[00:49] <cooler> boyz on the #firefox channel are not of big help so I'll put my question once more here
[00:50] <danny> no
[00:50] <cooler> so if anybody can helop plese do
[00:50] <cooler> I'll go crazy with this one
[00:50] <cooler> [01:46] <cooler> I use kubuntu 7.10 and I have pretty nasty problem with firefox that I cannot fix
[00:50] <cooler> [01:46] <cooler> I cannot install any extensions
[00:50] <cooler> [01:47] <cooler> when I click on a "install now" button in most cases nothing happens
[00:50] <cooler> [01:48] <cooler> sometimes after 4-5min appears pop up for install and when I click on the install button it begins with download but then it forzes I cant continue
[00:50] <danny> i dont know how to install it
[00:50] <danny> my graphics card is made by amd...........
[00:50] <cooler> does anybody have similar problem?
[00:50] <danny> anti radeon
[00:50] <bazhang> !ati
[00:50] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[00:52] <bazhang> cooler: which extensions?
[00:53] <cooler> bazhang: Not a single one
[00:53] <bazhang> strange
[00:54] <bazhang> cooler: you trying to install flash via firefox?
[00:54] <Admiral_Chicago> cooler: try #ubuntu-mozillateam
[00:54] <cooler> bazhang: no
[00:54] <cooler> Admiral_Chicago: I am but...
[00:55] <danny> its saying the graphics card pacage is not availibe
[00:55] <danny> availibe
[00:55] <bazhang> cooler: you got me there
[00:55] <danny> grr
[00:55] <danny> availible
[00:56] <[ifr0g]> Where are the setting for the distance bet icons.. etc ??
[00:57] <BluesKaj> danny, k-menu/system settings/advanced/restricted drivers/admin mode /enable restricted driver/apply/close..reboot
[00:57] <danny> says drive is not availible............
[00:57] <danny> driver
[00:58] <danny> how do you delete partitions?
[00:58] <BluesKaj> err danny are you on gutsy?
[00:59] <danny> i dont know
[00:59] <BluesKaj> danny, in the konsole, lsb_release -a
[01:00] <blueyed> I've filed bug 159409 about "compiz --replace" not working anymore with KDE.
[01:00] <danny> Distributor ID: Ubuntu
[01:00] <danny> Description:    Ubuntu 7.10
[01:00] <danny> Release:        7.10
[01:00] <danny> Codename:       gutsy
[01:00] <danny> yes
[01:00] <danny> but it doesn't show partion manager
[01:01] <Jucato> QtParted isn't installed on a default system. (even if it's there on the Live CD). you have to install it from Add/Remove Programs
[01:03] <danny> it wont let me install it
[01:03] <callaway> HOLY CRAP IT WORKS
[01:03] <callaway> !!!
[01:03] <callaway> ITZ ALIVE
[01:03] <callaway> LOL
[01:04] <Jucato> !caps | callaway
[01:04] <ubotu> callaway: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[01:04] <callaway> hahaha
[01:04] <BluesKaj> callaway, what werks ?
[01:04] <callaway> took me a month to get the modem working on kubuntu
[01:04] <callaway> HAHAha
[01:04] <Jucato> that's a long time O.o
[01:04] <callaway> i guess i am a little slooow
[01:05] <callaway> haha
[01:05] <callaway> dang martians
[01:06] <callaway> what lurks in this dark domain?
[01:06] <Angelus> how can i reload alsa in kubuntu??
[01:07] <callaway> alsa video driver or audio driver?
[01:07] <civilwest> Hello.....Dumb question but; is everyone here Ubuntu users?
[01:07] <webvictim> alsa is the audio driver :P
[01:07] <Angelus> audio
[01:07] <webvictim> and /etc/init.d/alsa restart ?
[01:08] <Angelus> there is no alsa in /etc/init.d/alsa
[01:08] <webvictim> civilwest: i'm not on it at the moment
[01:08] <webvictim> but i will be soon
[01:08] <blueyed> civilwest: yes, but mostly Kubuntu I believe.. :)
[01:08] <webvictim> ah, i remember
[01:08] <webvictim> alsactl restart
[01:08] <webvictim> something like that
[01:08] <callaway> wow getting that modem installed has been one of the hardest thing for me
[01:08] <civilwest> thanks
[01:09] <callaway> linux should come with a user friendly was to detect modems and sound cards
[01:09] <callaway> like autodetect
[01:11] <OmegaNine> Got a dumb question.  Just moved from Ubuntu to Kubuntu and it seems like the apt-get list is tiny.  can I just add the ubunutu feeds or is there a special place where I can get things like azurus for kubuntu?
[01:12] <callaway> how long has kubuntu been around ?
[01:12] <OmegaNine> Since the early ubuntu days
[01:12] <callaway> what year?
[01:13] <callaway> I am used to redhat
[01:13] <OmegaNine> Umm google will know :-P
[01:13] <Jucato> OmegaNine: Ubuntu and Kubuntu use/share the same repositories
[01:13] <Jucato> what Ubuntu has, Kubuntu has too.
[01:13] <Jucato> http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/hoary-release.php <--- first release
[01:13] <callaway> kubuntu is Great for burning cds and using flash memory . It kicks ass all around that topic
[01:15] <OmegaNine> Weird, seems like stuff is missing, maybe its just im not connecting to the repositories....They come with the same lists by default?
[01:15] <Jucato> yes
[01:16] <callaway> oh its been around since 2005
[01:16] <callaway> I thought it was relased in 2006
[01:16] <OmegaNine> I was wrong, the first release was 5.*
[01:16] <Jucato> afaik, just one release behind Ubuntu
[01:17] <Jucato> (first Ubuntu was 4.10 iirc)
[01:17] <OmegaNine> Damn wikipedia and its sudo info :-P
[01:17] <wesley> wikipedia is useless everone can edit
[01:17] <OmegaNine> hehe
[01:17] <Jucato> everyone who has an account :)
[01:18] <wesley> no you dont need a account
[01:18] <Jucato> wikipedia is useful for gather related links though
[01:18] <Jucato> really? you needed an account to edit last I checked
[01:18] <callaway> you mean wikipedia contains false info?
[01:18] <Jucato> it may
[01:18] <OmegaNine> Yeah
[01:18] <hydrogen> wikipedia is awesome
[01:18] <callaway> thats scary
[01:18] <kyled185> popular articles will sometimes be restricted to non-anonymous users
[01:18] <OmegaNine> some times its like....Exactly wrong...Some times its shades of wrong
[01:19] <wesley> what ubunyu has is not real wikipedia
[01:19] <callaway> a encyclopedia with false info
[01:19] <Jucato> sometimes it's exactly right :)
[01:19] <Jucato> wesley: you seem to be confusing a "wiki" from "Wikipedia"
[01:19] <OmegaNine> I wouldn't bet a term papers grade on it though ;-)
[01:19] <Jucato> callaway: it never claimed to be an encyclopedia replacement
[01:19] <Sanne> wesley: I wouldn't say wikipedia is useless, you just have to read critically. It's good we have independent media for information.
[01:20] <Jucato> callaway: better research on what wikipedia really is :)
[01:20] <wesley> yes but everone can delete the infio
[01:20] <hydrogen> I'd say an encylopedia editable by everyone is more likely to be right than an encyclopedia edited by only a few
[01:20] <hydrogen> but
[01:20] <Jucato> wesley: not everyone. you need an account
[01:20] <hydrogen> thats off topic for this channel
[01:20] <OmegaNine> Agreed, but...Its right so much, I dont read it as critically as I should.
[01:20] <wesley> wikipedia is still editable by everone
[01:21] <Jucato> "You are not currently logged in. While you are free to edit without logging in, your IP address (which can be used to determine the associated network/corporation name) will be recorded publicly, along with the time and date, in this page's edit history. It is sometimes possible for others to identify you with this information. Creating an account will conceal your IP address and provide you with many other benefits. Messages sent to your IP can be
[01:21] <Jucato> viewed on your talk page."
[01:22] <wesley> mauw then you can still edit it its not that you ban or something
[01:22] <kyled185> is anyone here having trouble with ipw3945 being really flaky now with gutsy?
[01:22] <wesley> i have lucky no trouble more with gutsy
[01:22] <Jucato> yeah but 1) they can trace who did it 2) your IP info is exposed and 3) they can always revert
[01:23] <wesley> i dont think they do that and its not easy in the dutch
[01:23] <callaway> bbl
[01:23] <OmegaNine> kyled185, Its working fine on my laptop.  I dont use it for my main connection though, but when im out and about it holds up fine
[01:24] <posingaspopular> the britannica is edited by manatees
[01:25] <wesley> i got xboxlive for free
[01:25] <sledge> How do I rate-limit apt-get?
[01:26] <alien> hi all
[01:26] <posingaspopular> !hi | alien
[01:26] <ubotu> alien: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[01:27] <OmegaNine> sledge, Check out http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-20342.html
[01:27] <OmegaNine> Though I have never tried it myself
[01:28] <alien> Is there to automount an external usb hdd (ntfs) on gutsy ?
[01:28] <alien> (a way)
[01:28] <OmegaNine> Everything i see points to "trickle" though, and thats a howto on how to use it with apt-get
[01:28] <OmegaNine> alien, it should when you plug it in, or do you mean on boot?
[01:29] <alien> doesn't show when I switch it on
[01:30] <OmegaNine> :-\
[01:30] <OmegaNine> Are your USB drivers working?
[01:31] <alien> well, have no idea, I'm running gutsy updated and I installed usbmount just in case it was needed but nothing shows up
[01:32] <OmegaNine> Try "modprobe usb-ohci" and "modprobe usb-uhci"
[01:32] <OmegaNine> See if it returns modules for that
[01:32] <alien> k let me see
[01:32] <wispy> Well, I'm not getting any help in the #apache channel.. could someone direct me to an answer here maybe?
[01:32] <OmegaNine> I dont know THAT much about apache, but you can try....Lots of people smarter than me here
[01:32] <alien> modules not found
[01:33] <OmegaNine> alien, on both accounts?
[01:33] <Jucato> it is, however, offtopic... so best to wait in #apache
[01:33] <alien> both modules yup
[01:33] <OmegaNine> Oh, sorry
[01:33] <wispy> Keep trying there, then, eh?
[01:33] <OmegaNine> alien, give me a sec to google dork
[01:36] <OmegaNine> Have those USB ports ever worked?
[01:37] <alien> they did on feisty but I deleted feisty and reinstalled gutsy 2 days ago
[01:38] <dave__> help,when I login the login screen is way down in the bottom right corner, and i can just barely see my login fields because there almost off the screen, how do i fix this?
[01:39] <j1solutions> dave, hit the auto adjust butoon on your monitor
[01:39] <j1solutions> if not, boot into vga mode
[01:39] <OmegaNine> dave__, res to high for your monitor?
[01:39] <j1solutions> how do i join the fedora channel?
[01:40] <OmegaNine> lawl
[01:40] <skeet> how do i get into administrator mode?
[01:40] <OmegaNine> ./join <chan name>
[01:40] <dave__> j1soloutions, its not the screen, the screen supports the resoloution 1024x768
[01:40] <dave__> once i login everything is fine
[01:41] <dave__> it just seems to be the login screen is not seeing the resoloution change till after the loginn
[01:41] <OmegaNine> dave__, Yeah its the res, try setting it in xorg.conf
[01:41] <dave__> i did set it up in xorg
[01:41] <OmegaNine> alien, I am not finding anything.  I would check the ubuntu forums, if its not there, post for help
[01:41] <nosrednaekim> dave__: does your boot splash look right?
[01:41] <ardchoille> !sudo | skeet
[01:41] <ubotu> skeet: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[01:42] <dave__> yes
[01:42] <dave__> its just the login screen
[01:42] <alien> ok omeganine ty anyway
[01:42] <OmegaNine> NP, sorry I couldnt help
[01:42] <alien> np
[01:42] <skeet> no i need to get into admin mode so i can turn on an restricted driver
[01:43] <nosrednaekim> skeet: "kdesudo restricted-manager-kde"
[01:43] <OmegaNine> sudo su
[01:43] <ronin_> Evening everyone. Is anyone currently using the 8.42.3 ATI fglrx driver?
[01:44] <ardchoille> OmegaNine: That's not good.
[01:45] <nosrednaekim> ronin_: yeah... me
[01:45] <OmegaNine> ardchoille, He asked :P
[01:45] <ronin_> Is it being a pain the in the butt? Especially with respect to OpenGL apps?
[01:45] <ardchoille> OmegaNine: yes, and nosrednaekim gave him the recommended precedure :)
[01:45] <earl_> is there a command-line command to bring up the shutdown dialog box?
[01:46] <dave__> is there any way to changethe login screen resoloution?
[01:46] <OmegaNine> Sowwy :-)
[01:47] <OmegaNine> xorg must restart,  thanks for the help guys :-)
[01:47] <dave__> must be a driver bug
[01:48] <ardchoille> earl_: I've wondered that myself.. I'll ask in #kde
[01:48] <earl_> please
[01:48] <kgx> does anyone how i can figure out what caused a kernel panic. i can't make much sense ofthe log system log files
[01:49] <brandon> is there a howto somewhere on using kde4 instead of kde 3.5.7?
[01:49] <skeet> ok when i go into compiz fusion my comp freezes what should i do
[01:49] <dave__> kde 4 iasnt even out yet
[01:49] <dave__> *isnt
[01:49] <Jucato> brandon: depends on 1) where you got it from and 2) why you're trying to use it
[01:50] <ronin_> nosrednaekim: OpenGL is pretty much broken, it seems. Do you know a way to tweak or fix it? Or is it just a crappy driver revision
[01:50] <Jucato> but as of KDE 4 Beta 3, it's not really that suitable yet for non-developer testing
[01:50] <brandon> 1) canonical and 2) because i feel the need to
[01:50] <Jucato> (Beta 4 is a bit better, but we don't have packages yet)
[01:50] <nosrednaekim> ronin_: works for me...is the kernel module laoding and accosiating?
[01:50] <skeet> i cant use compiz fusion or desktop effects...y?
[01:51] <Jucato> brandon: then see the kubuntu.org page for the beta3 release. it has instructions
[01:51] <dave__> lol
[01:51] <ronin_> nosrednaekim: Er... how could I check that?
[01:54] <dave__> so nobody has heard of the graphical prob I have?
[01:54] <earl_> any luck ardchoille
[01:54] <kyled185> dave__, the login screen resolution?
[01:54] <ardchoille> earl_: Not in #kde, but I think I found it in kdcop. Want the command?
[01:55] <dave__> kyled185,ye
[01:55] <dave__> yes
[01:55] <ubuntu_admin> i have a boner! i spermed for the first time, i have a 5 incher! i had sex. Boner!!!!!!!!!!!!
[01:55] <earl_> sure
[01:55] <ardchoille> earl_: Try this one: dcop kdesktop KDesktopIface logout
[01:55] <earl_> all of that?
[01:55] <ardchoille> dcop kdesktop KDesktopIface logout
[01:55] <ardchoille> all of that ^^
[01:56] <ardchoille> earl_: That's using dcop to comunicate with kdesktop
[01:56] <earl_> cool
[01:56] <earl_> i dont know what dcop is though
[01:56] <ardchoille> That's what kde uses to communicate between apps
[01:56] <Hirvinen> !ops | k5ubuntu /danny/ubuntu_/ubuntu_admin
[01:56] <webvictim> dcop is awesome
[01:56] <ubotu> k5ubuntu /danny/ubuntu_/ubuntu_admin: Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, stdin, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, nixternal or PriceChild!
[01:56] <earl_> ah
[01:57] <kyled185> dave__, I've had that problem before, I'm trying to figure out what I did
[01:57] <LjL> Hirvinen, he... just changed nicknames twice?
[01:57] <jjj543k3> dose any one here know how to change the kde start up sound? in kubuntu?
[01:57] <k5ubuntu> that was my friend
[01:57] <ronin_> nosrednaekim: I have the  ATI control panel and all that, and fglrxinfo comes out as ATI not MESA, so...maybe? Or is ther something else I need to check?
[01:57] <k5ubuntu> that wasnt me
[01:57] <LjL> !nickspam
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[01:57] <nosrednaekim> ronin_: try "glxinfo
[01:57] <Hirvinen> LjL: 0355 < ubuntu_admin> i have a boner! i spermed for the first time, i have a 5 incher! i had sex. Boner!!!!!!!!!!!!
[01:57] <k5ubuntu> i apologize guys for the person who said that
[01:58] <Hirvinen> I was referring to that.
[01:58] <LjL> Hirvinen: ah, that.
[01:58] <k5ubuntu> i left my computer on and my friend thought that was funny
[01:58] <k5ubuntu> ..........
[01:58] <Hirvinen> k5ubuntu: Train your friends to behave.
[01:58] <earl_> ardchoille: it works like a charm.
[01:58] <ronin_> nosrednaekim: spits out a ton of info. What I am I looking for?
[01:58] <earl_> i even integrated that into kiba-dock
[01:58] <earl_> with a nice SVG button
[01:58] <k5ubuntu> i will tell him that =P
[01:58] <nosrednaekim> ronin_: near the top, direct rendering
[01:58] <LjL> k5ubuntu, benefit of doubt once - next time it's a ban, though. lock your computer while you aren't using it is my advice.
[01:58] <ardchoille> earl_: That gives you the logout window and option to restart/shutdown?
[01:58] <k5ubuntu> ok
[01:58] <ronin_> nosrednaekim: Direct Rendering = Yes
[01:59] <nosrednaekim> ronin_: try "glxgears
[01:59] <k5ubuntu> its a live cd.........
[01:59] <earl_> yeah
[01:59] <earl_> it's sweet
[01:59] <ardchoille> earl_: alt+f2, kdcop
[01:59] <ronin_> Worked. >3K fps
[01:59] <ardchoille> earl_: Run that, that's what I used to figure it out :)
[02:00] <earl_> that's a bit above me =(
[02:00] <k5ubuntu> i will be right back guys
[02:01] <k5ubuntu> got to reset comoputer
[02:01] <nosrednaekim> ronin_: so what is the problem exactly? everything seems good
[02:01] <k5ubuntu> computer*
[02:01] <ardchoille> earl_: ok, maybe learn about dcop when you have time. it's very nice for command-line commands
[02:01] <dave__> kyled, ok thanks
[02:01] <ubuntu__> algum  brasileiro?
[02:01] <ronin_> nosrednaekim: When I run 3d apps like WoW through Wine, or Planet Penguin racer, the  textures are for lack of a better explanation "messed up" looking
[02:02] <ronin_> Missing, incorrect location, etc
[02:02] <earl_> i'll give it a shot, ard
[02:02] <nosrednaekim> ronin_: ah... that is probably an issue with the driver then,,
[02:02] <kyled185> dave__, can I see your x.org.conf ?
[02:02] <nosrednaekim> ronin_: its still not really "good"
[02:02] <earl_> ubuntu__ - tem outro canal para brasileiros
[02:02] <SudoKing> no espanol pleasea
[02:02] <webvictim> it's portuguese :P
[02:03] <SudoKing> lol
[02:03] <nosrednaekim> lol
[02:03] <ubuntu__> ??????????
[02:03] <earl_> that's portuguese, and i was explaining there's another channel for them =)
[02:03] <ronin_> nosrednaekim: Such I've heard. I was wondering if there were tweaks to make them more useful
[02:03] <webvictim> and he was only explaining that there's a nother channel for it
[02:03] <nosrednaekim> !pt
[02:03] <webvictim> heh
[02:03] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.
[02:03] <webvictim> ssh lag ftl :(
[02:03] <nosrednaekim> ronin_: don't think so
[02:03] <ubuntu__> ok thank you
[02:03] <dave__> kyled, ok just a sec
[02:03] <ronin_> !br
[02:03] <SudoKing> oh dear...
[02:03] <ronin_> oops, sorry. ^^
[02:03] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.
[02:03] <webvictim> ronin_: same language ;P
[02:04] <SudoKing> this is a little off topic
[02:04] <ronin_> FOr some reason I thought it worked by country ^^;
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> ronin_: does compiz look good?
[02:04] <ronin_> nosrednaekim: I don't think I have compiz actually
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> ronin_: ah ok... because that the "high point" of this release,AIGLX support
[02:04] <ardchoille> ronin_: It does, Portuguese is spoken in Brazil
[02:06] <ronin_> ardchoille: Ahh, yes I know. I had never seen anyone use a ! command for language :D Neat
[02:06] <ardchoille> :)
[02:06] <ronin_> nosrednaekim: Do you have Compiz Fusion running?
[02:06] <nosrednaekim> ronin_: yeah... thats what I use my 3d accel for
[02:07] <ronin_> nosrednaekim: Nifty. I have a fair gfx card. I'll give it a go then. Do I just need to download the Compiz packages on the repos? Or is there a seperate compiz fusion, and those COmpiz ones are old?
[02:08] <Diskonnected> hey room; can somebody tell me what *Nix OS or Live CD's are good for building a custom router&firewall?
[02:08] <ronin_> For the full versions with all the shinyness, that is :D
[02:09] <Diskonnected> ??anybody know?
[02:09] <ronin_> Diskonnected: M0n0wall?  I forget a few others. Anyone else know some firewall distros
[02:09] <dave__> kyled185, where do i find it?
[02:09] <kyled185> its in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:09] <kyled185> !flood
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[02:09] <dave__> ok
[02:09] <Diskonnected> Ronin_: Will that act as a router AND a firewall?
[02:10] <nosrednaekim> ronin_: if you are on gutsy... everything is in main
[02:10] <garthis> Diskonnected: my friend did it with debian
[02:10] <kyled185> dave__, copy and paste it to paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[02:10] <Diskonnected> ok; how secure is it
[02:10] <nosrednaekim> Diskonnected: Ipcop
[02:11] <Diskonnected> I just realized theres loads of trojans on my network so im reformatting everything and hopefully that will fix it; but i need to upgrade to a better firewall and router...i figure that would do it
[02:11] <Diskonnected> yeah IPCop is a good one i hear
[02:11] <Diskonnected> THanks for the ideas people:)
[02:11] <ronin_> nosrednaekim: Main repo you mean?
[02:11] <poroto82> help with aircrack? anyone know a good tut¿?
[02:12] <nosrednaekim> ronin_: or universe or something like that :)
[02:12] <Diskonnected> what kind of hardware is needed for the basics; will it run on like a p2 or a p3 with 256MB ram?
[02:13] <dave__> kyled185,theres two conf files, conf and conf.1
[02:13] <nosrednaekim> Ipcop? sure
[02:13] <ronin_> Oh okay. If I'm using Kubuntu Gutsy, should I grab the KDE addon for it too?
[02:14] <BluesKaj> kubuntu is kde
[02:14] <kyled185> dave__, let me see the regular xorg.conf
[02:14] <Diskonnected> ok kool ty guys an girlz:)
[02:14] <dave__> kyled, ok
[02:14] <nosrednaekim> ronin_: get "emerald" no need for compiz-kde
[02:14] <dave__> kyled185,ok
[02:17] <ronin_> Ahh, okay. I've got it. Running Emerald shows...no themes?
[02:17] <dave__> kyled185, done
[02:17] <kyled185> dave__, ok tell me the URL
[02:18] <RogueJediZero> Hi. Could someone give me a quick hand with svn checkouts?
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> ronin_: is compiz running?
[02:18] <ronin_> nosrednaekim: I just installed it so... probably not?
[02:18] <chipbuddy> i want to play Go on gutsy. i don't mind playing against a computer because i'm really not very good. does anyone know the name of something i can search for in the synaptic package manager?
[02:18] <needles> how would i burn an mkv file to dvd?
[02:18] <dave__> kyled185, oops i just copied the location and  not the contents
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> ronin_: run "compiz --replace &" from a alt+f2
[02:19] <needles> does anyone know a good mkv to avi converter?
[02:19] <RogueJediZero> I have the site where I want to check stuff out from, but I don't know how to
[02:19] <nosrednaekim> chipbuddy: what is GO?
[02:19] <kyled185> dave__, press alt+f2 to bring up the application launch window
[02:19] <RogueJediZero> nosrednaekim: A japanese game with white and black stones on a grid
[02:19] <chipbuddy> it's a board game
[02:19] <chipbuddy> you play white and black pieces on a 19x19 board
[02:19] <nosrednaekim> chipbuddy: search for go:)
[02:19] <kyled185> then type kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:20] <ronin_> nosrednaekim: Ran it. No visible changes?
[02:20] <nosrednaekim> kyled185: thats going to need to be kdesudoded
[02:20] <nosrednaekim> ronin_: try ctrl+alt+right arrow
[02:20] <dave__> kyled185,http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42982/
[02:21] <chipbuddy> hehe, searching for go comes up with a lot of hits. i was wonding if someone could point me directly to one
[02:21] <kyled185> nosrednaekim, yeah eventually, but for now he's just going to take a peek in it :)
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> kyled185: oh ok..i'll let you handle it then ;)
[02:21] <RogueJediZero> chipbuddy: Try looking for gtkgo
[02:21] <ronin_> nosrednaekim: Nothing? Right directional arrow on the arrow keys, right?
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> ronin_: ah yeah.. I forgot... fglrx is blacklisted... just a sec
[02:22] <nosrednaekim> ronin_: To bypass the ubuntu gutsy compiz blacklist on Intel: 965. ATI: Rs480, Rv350. ATI Mobility: x300, x600, x700 run «  echo SKIP_CHECKS=yes >> ~/.config/compiz/compiz-manager  »  More info: http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/Hardware/Blacklist/
[02:22] <chipbuddy> roguejedizero: awesome, thanks. this is perfect
[02:22] <kyled185> dave__, what resolution and refresh rate do you want to be in?
[02:23] <RogueJediZero> chipbuddy: No problem. Just found another one too, called qgo
[02:23] <dave__> kyled185,1024x768 85htz
[02:23] <RogueJediZero> This one might integrate into Kubuntu better, visually
[02:24] <kyled185> dave__, and what does it run at?
[02:24] <dave__> same
[02:24] <nabl> Hi everyone.
[02:24] <dave__> kyled185, the login screen is my only prob
[02:25] <kyled185> dave__, er, yeah that's what I mean
[02:25] <nabl> I have a quick question for you...
[02:25] <nosrednaekim> hi nabl... go ahead
[02:25] <ronin_> nosrednaekim: I have a mobility x600. Damn.  Also, I get an error that it can't find a file or directory with that cmd
[02:26] <nabl> I'm trying to install KGtk from source, but when I type "./configure" it says "bash: ./configure: No such file or directory"
[02:26] <nzk> I'm having a small problem with Firefox. It unrecoverably freezes very often (every few minutes) which requires a restart. Anything I can do?
[02:26] <nosrednaekim> ronin_: oh right... install "compizconfig-settings-manager"
[02:26] <nosrednaekim> nabl: are you inthe Kgtk directory?
[02:26] <nabl> yeah
[02:27] <nabl> here's the ls output...
[02:27] <nabl> AUTHORS    CMakeLists.txt  COPYING    kdialogd4         mangled.sh  README
[02:27] <nabl> ChangeLog  common          gtk2       kdialogd-wrapper  qt3         TODO
[02:27] <nabl> cmake      config.h.cmake  kdialogd3  kgtk-wrapper      qt4
[02:27] <hydrogen> ..
[02:27] <nosrednaekim> !paste
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[02:27] <hydrogen> SPAM
[02:27] <hydrogen> anyways
[02:27] <hydrogen> its using cmake
[02:27] <ardchoille> nabl: running "./configure" simply tells the system to run the file named "configure" which shoulkd be in the same dir you are in. If there is not a "configure" file there, thenn you will get that error.
[02:27] <hydrogen> not auto*
[02:27] <nosrednaekim> nabl: did you read the README?
[02:27] <hydrogen> so you can't ./configure
[02:28] <nabl> oh wait...
[02:28] <k5ubuntu> i need help installing compiz im unpackaging it right now once done then what
[02:28] <kyled185> dave__, does it look like it's running at 800x600 and extends beyond the physical screen?
[02:28] <ronin_> nosrednaekim: Done. Should I issue that command again?
[02:28] <nabl> never mind, I figured it out.
[02:28] <hydrogen> !compiz | k5ubuntu
[02:28] <nosrednaekim> k5ubuntu: are you on the liveCD still?
[02:28] <ubotu> k5ubuntu: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[02:28] <nabl> Thanks for your help.
[02:28] <nosrednaekim> ronin_: yeah.
[02:28] <dave__> kyled,yes
[02:28] <k5ubuntu> ty
[02:29] <nabl> I'll ask if I have any more questions.
[02:29] <k5ubuntu> im installing it now
[02:29] <dave__> kyled185,yes
[02:29] <k5ubuntu> on to a hdd drive
[02:29] <ronin_> nosrednaekim: Done. No errors this time.
[02:29] <nosrednaekim> ronin_: k...try "compiz --replace" again.
[02:29] <kyled185> dave__, ok open up the konsole
[02:30] <supert0nes> does anyone here use mouse over to focus?
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> superused to...
[02:30] <RogueJediZero> Does anyone have a clue how to check this out of svn? http://quake.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/quake/quake2/trunk/
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> supert0nes: used to
[02:30] <dave__> kyled185,ok
[02:30] <kyled185> dave__, type sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup
[02:30] <supert0nes> I wish there was one change to it, clicked to focus windows should stay focused for a few seconds
[02:30] <RogueJediZero> The homepage, strangely enough, only suppliescvs instructions
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> RogueJediZero: I think a simple "svn co <url>"should do
[02:30] <ronin_> nosrednaekim: Okay, done. No errors, but nothing happening.
[02:30] <supert0nes> or a certain amount of movement should change it
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> ronin_: run it from a terminal
[02:30] <usuario> anybody help-me?
[02:31] <kyled185> dave__, then type sudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:31] <k5ubuntu> !patience | usuario
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[02:31] <kyled185> dave__, go to the part that says Section "Screen"
[02:31] <supert0nes> like when i open a new terminal i just want to type not put the mouse over and then type
[02:31] <kyled185> dave__, it starts at line 99
[02:31] <usuario> i'm only getting started here
[02:31] <usuario> and i need some help about LINUX
[02:32] <k5ubuntu> sure
[02:32] <k5ubuntu> go ahead
[02:32] <kyled185> dave__, you there?
[02:32] <ronin_> Going to need to pastebin this...
[02:32] <RogueJediZero> nosrednaekim: Tried that already. This is what happens: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/m4c110a4a
[02:32] <ronin_> !pastebin
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[02:32] <usuario> I want to install some software, but i don' t know how about this
[02:33] <k5ubuntu> sure what kind of software
[02:33] <ronin_> nosrednaekim: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42983/ this is what occured
[02:33] <dave__> kyled185, yeah just slow at typing
[02:33] <k5ubuntu> you want to install linux to a hardrive or like a software for something
[02:33] <hydrogen> kmenu->add/remove programs.
[02:33] <usuario> i want to install some software, as photoshop, coreldraw...
[02:33] <k5ubuntu> ok
[02:33] <hydrogen> there are equivelents to those that run under linux
[02:34] <usuario> and drivers, as TV TUNER PRO
[02:34] <kyled185> dave__, ok, now down where it says Virtual 1400 1050
[02:34] <hydrogen> functional equivilents
[02:34] <hydrogen> browese around add/remove programs
[02:34] <dave__> kyled185, that should take me about a half hour..brb :-/
[02:34] <nosrednaekim> ronin_: ah.... at the end of your Xorg config file you have compozite extention disabled
[02:34] <k5ubuntu> well im pretty new and i do know some stuff but i cant answer technical problems or hep installing software such as that
[02:34] <usuario> can i install it under linux, with windows
[02:34] <usuario> ?
[02:35] <k5ubuntu> hmm
[02:35] <nosrednaekim> usuario: the first two will not work, the tuner might
[02:35] <ronin_> nosrednaekim: Oh, what should I look for?
[02:35] <RogueJediZero> usuario: Unfortunately, no. However, I would reccomend checking out GIMP, Inkscape, Krita or Karbon17
[02:35] <nosrednaekim> !hardware | usuario
[02:35] <ubotu> usuario: For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[02:35] <dave__> kyled185, keep typing i can catch up with history
[02:35] <OmegaNine> Can someone recomend a nvidia howto?
[02:35] <kyled185> dave__, ok
[02:35] <nosrednaekim> ronin_:  near the end, should be something about extention composite
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> ronin_: really, AT the end
[02:36] <usuario> thanks... i will see it...
[02:36] <ronin_> nosrednaekim: Change "Disable" to "Enable" ?
[02:37] <usuario> I want to install a windows XP with Linux. Because iḿ a designer, and i need to work with files as CDR and PSD
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> ronin_: delete the section altogether
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> !virtualbox
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[02:37] <kyled185> dave__, replace Virtual 1400 1050 with Virtual 1024 768
[02:37] <ronin_> nosrednaekim:  Okay, done.  Why is that bad, exactly?
[02:37] <redshadowhero> Would someone know how to remap keyboard buttons on Kubuntu?
[02:37] <ronin_> nosrednaekim: What is composite and why is it disabled etc?
[02:37] <vellakd> I don't
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> ronin_: it was for the previous fglrx driver, which didn't support it
[02:38] <kyled185> dave__, and where it says Modes and then a ton of resolutions and refresh rates
[02:38] <nosrednaekim> ronin_: it does... different things... IDK;)
[02:38] <redshadowhero> ...vellakd: so, wait, I get on here to ask the question for you, and then you respond like that?! >:o
[02:38] <nosrednaekim> ronin_: restart X
[02:38] <ronin_> nosrednaekim: What's the quick restart on that? ^^;
[02:39] <nosrednaekim> ctrl+alt+bckspace?
[02:39] <kyled185> dave__, cut "1024x768@85" and put it right in front of the first resolution "800x600@60" make sure there's a space or tab in between the two resolutions
[02:40] <kyled185> dave__, now, as a disclaimer, messing with this file can potentially make the GUI not start and will leave you at a command line system
[02:42] <nosrednaekim> ronin_: anything?
[02:42] <ronin_> nosrednaekim: Okay, X not dead.
[02:42] <ronin_> Nothing shiny though
[02:42] <nosrednaekim> run that command again
[02:42] <nosrednaekim> "compiz --replace
[02:42] <kyled185> dave__, if that happens (which is highly unlikely, the changes we made are fairly benign) just type sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:42] <kyled185> dave__, and reboot and it should be back to the way it was before
[02:43] <nosrednaekim> ronin_: anything :)
[02:43] <ronin_> nosrednaekim: Okay, it "worked" but now I don't have any....er.. borders?
[02:43] <ronin_> Ie. This window takes up the whole screen
[02:44] <kyled185> dave__, alright, with the disclaimer out of the way, to make the changes take effect, save and close that file.  then logout (you might need to press ctrl+alt+backspace)
[02:44] <martalli> How can I run a jar file?
[02:44] <LjL> martalli: java -jar filename.jar
[02:44] <nosrednaekim> ronin_: errrr.... alt+f2 "kwin --replace"
[02:44] <nosrednaekim> ronin_: and, unfortunately, I have to go... go to #compiz-fusion for help:)
[02:44] <martalli> LjL: thanks
[02:45] <ronin_> nosrednaekim: Thanks for your help! Iappreciate it!
[02:46] <dave__> kyled185, between 800x600@60 and the 768 above it?
[02:47] <Gun_Smoke> I hate to cross post, but does anyone know how to adapt the theme from BackTrack.. Its dark, clean... perfect..
[02:47] <kyled185> dave__, here, I'll show you what it should look like
[02:48] <Diskonnected> hi room
[02:48] <Diskonnected> can someone help me figure something out?
[02:48] <awag> can anyone here give me help with skim? it worked great in feisty, but with gutsy installed it won't let me change input methods
[02:48] <kyled185> dave__, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42984/
[02:49] <RogueJediZero> Diskonnected: Depends. What can we help you with?
[02:50] <Diskonnected> RogueJediZero: I need to figure out how im supposed to use IPCop is it a Firewall and a Router or just a firewall and if its not a router where do i place it(behind router directly on the internet or what??
[02:50] <Creationist> I currently have an nVidia Geforce 6200.  I ordered a 7600GT which I'll be recieving tomorrow.  Is there anything I need to do before shutting down to install it?
[02:51] <Tm_T> Creationist: ummm, make sure you have nvidia-glx-new installed
[02:51] <Tm_T> Creationist: umm, what your nick is meaning?
[02:52] <RogueJediZero> Diskonnected: I haven't used Ipcop myself, but it looks like a firewall for your computer
[02:53] <Dragnslcr> Creationist- I believe the 6xxx and 7xxx cards use the same drivers
[02:53] <Creationist> Tm_T: I'm a creationist, as opposed to an evolutionist ;)
[02:54] <yurimxpxman> (compiz-fusion problem) any idea what's going on with this? http://yurimxpxman.dyndns.org/paste
[02:54] <Tm_T> Creationist: humm, thats quite religious
[02:54] <Creationist> Dragnslcr: So, I assume it's not like Windows where I need to uninstall the drivers, install the card, and then reboot.
[02:54] <Tm_T> Creationist: can I ask to change your nick?
[02:54] <dave__> kyled185,the formatting is different in the paste than the console, does it matter if the colomns are more than 4rows accross?
[02:54] <Dragnslcr> Creationist- I wouldn't think so
[02:54] <hydrogen> Tm_T: and your name is quite almost explosive!
[02:54] <Tm_T> hydrogen: it is
[02:54] <Creationist> Tm_T: And extremely scientific.  But that's a topic for a different channel.  And you can ask me to change it, but I won't ;)
[02:55] <joshk1025so> do the compiz effects work on laptops?
[02:56] <joshk1025so> like older ones with not so much memory (128 shared for video)?
[02:56] <kyled185> dave__, I'm not sure I understand what you mean
[02:56] <Diskonnected> RogueJediZero: Okay; so if it is just a firewall not a router; do i put it directly on the modem and then put the router on the IPCop box?
[02:57] <dave__> kyled185, in the xorg file there are four colomns of resoloutions, does that format matter?
[02:57] <hydrogen> uhoh
[02:58] <hydrogen> here comes Mr Tm_T the thought-police cop!
[02:58] <mneptok> Creationist: IMO, the nick is a bit inflammatory given the scientific leanings of most geeks. it's like me walking into your church wearing an "Abortionist" t-shirt. i'm happy you have found something that gives you peace. there's no need to advertise it, IMO.
[02:58] <Tm_T> agreed
[02:58] <hydrogen> mm
[02:58] <hydrogen> he has had it for a while
[02:58] <hydrogen> a nick is a nick is a nick
[02:59] <dave__> kyled185, sorry it depends on the size of the window  on how the data is displayed
[02:59] <RogueJediZero> Diskonnected: I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to do. Are you trying to make a router from your computer?
[02:59] <kyled185> dave__, ok
[02:59] <Creationist> mneptok: Personally, I would love to welcome you into my church with such a shirt :).  But my name isn't meant to be offensive in any way... it is a personal representation of my own beliefs and scientific research. :)
[02:59] <k5ubuntu> i need help finding on this. Ok im using a Dell latitude 131l it has a broadcam wireless card and its asking me where the firmware is, how can i download and save this firmware to my desktop or something
[03:00] <kyled185> !offtopic | everyone
[03:00] <ubotu> everyone: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[03:00] <Tm_T> kyled185: thanks
[03:00] <Creationist> mneptok: Different views isn't always bad... it would be like someone coming in here with the name "ILoveGnome" ... big deal :P
[03:00] <kyled185> yep ;)
[03:00] <mneptok> Creationist: do you not see how it could be needlessly distracting?
[03:00] <hydrogen> it only became needlessly distracting when tm_t brought it up
[03:00] <k5ubuntu> !ubuotu
[03:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubuotu - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:00] <k5ubuntu> !ubotu
[03:00] <mneptok> Creationist: desktop managers are not, or should not, be as sacrosanct a choice as religious belief.
[03:00] <Creationist> mneptok: Not really... Because I've never had an issue with it until Tm_T
[03:00] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[03:00] <hydrogen> deal with the content, not with the bearer
[03:01] <kyled185> dave__, so did you make the changes?
[03:01] <Tm_T> hydrogen: true, and now I'm gone ->
[03:01] <hydrogen> don't judge a book by its cover :P
[03:01] <k5ubuntu> !how do you find programs
[03:01] <hydrogen> kmenu->add/remove programs
[03:01] <Creationist> eh well... this conversation doesn't belong in here anyway.
[03:01] <hydrogen> I've told you lhat like four times
[03:01] <lithium> is it really necessary to give that much attention to his nick?
[03:01] <hydrogen> that it doesn't!
[03:01] <hydrogen> back to gutsying
[03:01] <dave__> kyled185,im hesitant to mess with it, because it seems format in here is extreemly important
[03:01] <lithium> simply let him be
[03:02] <anton_> Hey, I want to save something to my sources.list but I think I need to be in root mode. Can I save something to the list through a terminal?
[03:03] <kyled185> dave__, whitespace isn't really that important as far as functionality is concerned, it helps with readability.
[03:04] <dave__> kyled185, i mean if I misallign any of these numbers it would mess it up, correct?
[03:04] <k5ubuntu> i need help finding this driver bcm43xx
[03:04] <kyled185> dave__, just highlight everything in the file and then copy and paste the modified file I sent you into it
[03:05] <k5ubuntu> i searches adept etc
[03:05] <k5ubuntu> searched
[03:05] <kyled185> dave__, er, highlight and delete everything in the file, then you can copy/paste the modified version
[03:06] <Diskonnected> RogueJediZero: No I am trying to make a firewall to service my entire network; the router i have is a Netgear router. I need a high quality firewall because people have been trying to hack into my network and hijack computers
[03:06] <lordofthepigs> Hello!
[03:06] <lordofthepigs> What is a good way to make incremental backups of my important data?
[03:06] <lordofthepigs> rsync?
[03:06] <kyled185> lordofthepigs, git
[03:06] <dave__> kyled185,ok, thanks for your in depth help, i owe you one :-)
[03:06] <hydrogen> git would be horribly overengineering it
[03:06] <kyled185> dave__, yep, no problem
[03:07] <hydrogen> rsync would work
[03:07] <kyled185> hehe
[03:07] <hydrogen> there are some scripts that automate it
[03:07] <hydrogen> !backup
[03:07] <ubotu> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[03:07] <lordofthepigs> and is there nice GUI frontend for it?
[03:07] <hydrogen> see what mr. ubotu said :)
[03:07] <jjj543k3> Any one know of a good audio mixing app?
[03:07] <hydrogen> audacity
[03:08] <DevideZero> simply question : why NOT to use gtk application on kde ?
[03:08] <posingaspopular> !worksforme
[03:08] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/
[03:08] <Creationist> !sources.lst
[03:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sources.lst - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:08] <posingaspopular> DevideZero: thats the answer i got when i asked that question
[03:08] <jjj543k3> this sounds stupid but audacity looks terible on anythig other than windows because it was built with wx which annoys me know of any kde native audio mixind apps
[03:09] <RogueJediZero> Diskonnected: In that case you need to put the box with IPcop between the modem and the router
[03:09] <posingaspopular> duno if that answers the questions completly
[03:09] <DevideZero> posingaspopular , what ?
[03:09] <DevideZero> did you understand my question ?
[03:10] <hydrogen> DevideZero: you can use gtk apps on kde
[03:10] <hydrogen> theres no reason not to
[03:10] <hydrogen> except that kde apps are a whole lot better
[03:10] <hydrogen> but
[03:10] <jt__> hola
[03:10] <kyled185> except slightly slower start up time for the first app you open
[03:10] <hydrogen> apps can run independant of the desktop your on
[03:10] <hydrogen> kyled185: thats really not a big deal
[03:10] <kyled185> hydrogen, agreed
[03:11] <DevideZero> why gnome and kde dont use both the same qt or gtk but the both you the samw it will sokve alot problems .. .
[03:11] <danny> i need help installig compiz
[03:11] <danny> !compiz help
[03:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about compiz help - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:11] <danny> !compiz
[03:11] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[03:12] <danny> nevermind
[03:12] <hydrogen> DevideZero: gtk was formed a long time ago when qt's license didn't satisfy his holiness RMS.  Since then Qt's licensing has been remedied, but people still use gtk because they don't know any better
[03:12] <hydrogen> at least thats my take on it!
[03:13] <dave__> kyled185,it worked beautifully, thanks again, YOU DA MAN!!
[03:13] <kyled185> dave__, great, glad to help
[03:14] <lordofthepigs> hmm... it seems that sbackup is pretty much exactly what I want
[03:14] <kyled185> I'm gonna give kde 4 a try and I just installed the packages as stated in the URL in the topic.  I'm not sure what changing the environment variables will do to kde3, anyone here have experience with that?
[03:15] <redshadowhero> Wait, when is KDE4 set to be released?
[03:15] <dave__> december i think
[03:15] <kyled185> redshadowhero, end of december
[03:15] <Diskonnected> RogueJediZero: Ok thank you; i appreciate the assistance. Have a good one!:)
[03:15] <redshadowhero> too long a wait :P
[03:15] <hydrogen> kde4.0 is not going to be worth using in a lot of cases
[03:16] <kyled185> I'm not planning on using it for normal everyday stuff, I'd just like to poke around in it, report a bug or two
[03:16] <dave__> kyled185, let us know how it works out
[03:16] <hydrogen> wait for the beta4 packages
[03:16] <hydrogen> which should be out..
[03:17] <lencho> #Kubuntu-es
[03:18] <lencho> help
[03:18] <kyled185> I just installed the packages, so they should be the latest version
[03:19] <lencho> kubuntu en español?
[03:20] <hydrogen> !es | lencho
[03:20] <ubotu> lencho: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[03:21] <blendtux> !nl | blendtux
[03:21] <Kamerheimer> need help installing wireless drivers
[03:22] <Kamerheimer> i have hp dv6000z with broadcom wireless card
[03:22] <DevideZero> what kde is faster ( better preformance ) than xfce ?
[03:24] <jjj543k3> Whenever I try to preview audio in audacity I get this message saying that the audion device is busiy
[03:24] <kyled185> bah it didn't work
[03:25] <navets_> can somebody please help me get my sound working
[03:25] <navets_> it was working before but very poorly
[03:25] <navets_> i tried to install new alsa drivers
[03:26] <navets_> now i dont even get a mixer or any sound at all
[03:26] <jjj543k3> fixed my audacity problblem nm,..
[03:29] <k5ubuntu> hey i need a mac os x icons and a theme
[03:29] <k5ubuntu> and a dock
[03:29] <Dr_Willis> Theres dozens of those things out.. all rather bad\. :)
[03:29] <Dr_Willis> !find kwin-
[03:29] <ubotu> Found: kwin-style-crystal, kwin-baghira, kwin-style-alphacube, kwin-style-blended, kwin-style-dekorator (and 4 others)
[03:29] <Dr_Willis> Check out Baghira
[03:29] <kyled185> meh, now I see why kde 4 is still in beta
[03:30] <dave__> lol
[03:30] <k5ubuntu> whats a good mac dock for kubuntu
[03:31] <k5ubuntu> !dock
[03:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dock - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:31] <navets_> is there a way to reupgrade your kernel
[03:31] <k5ubuntu> !find dock
[03:31] <ubotu> Found: docker, haddock, kdocker, knetdockapp, kooldock (and 3 others)
[03:31] <kyled185> last time I checked, kubuntu isn't OS X
[03:32] <k5ubuntu> it can be
[03:32] <Dr_Willis> it can look like it. :)
[03:32] <k5ubuntu> and since unix is like linux it is similar kind of
[03:32] <Dr_Willis> With a bit of work.. you can have a gui almost as annoying as OS-X
[03:32] <Dr_Willis> of course to get the Fancy Expose thing. you need to use Compiz
[03:33] <k5ubuntu> got it running
[03:33] <anton__> Hi, I'm trying to get Avant Window Navigator to work, but I can't do it. I am a total newbie at linux, so I'm wondering if there are any good guides to do this, from a newbies point of view?
[03:33] <Dr_Willis> k5ubuntu:  then you need to be looking at the Emerald themes. Not the kwin themes.
[03:33] <dave__> they both have a unix core correct
[03:33] <dave__> ?
[03:34] <kyled185> dave__, Linux is a clone of Unix.  OS X is actually Unix
[03:34] <Dr_Willis> Linux is not technicially 'unix' i belive. I forget the exact details. :)
[03:34] <dave__> kyled, i see
[03:34] <dave__> kyled185, i see
[03:35] <kyled185> alright I've got to go write some prolog..farewell everybody
[03:36] <dave__> kyled,185, have a good one
[03:37] <dave__> $#@% my typing sucks... :-)
[03:38] <dave__> sorry thats off topic..;-)
[03:38] <k5ubuntu> what is a good mac dock?
[03:38] <k5ubuntu> i cant seem to find one
[03:38] <dave__> <---dunno
[03:39] <Dr_Willis> Thers that 'awm' advant window manager ? thing i hear about. but its not in the repos.
[03:39] <Dr_Willis> Other then that. All the OS-X dock wannabes ive seen/tried all are rather lacking.. of course I find the original OS-X dock lacking
[03:40] <Dr_Willis> DreamLinux (a live cd) has Somthing that LOOKS very much like the OS-X dock. but not sure what its using
[03:40] <k5ubuntu> ill google it
[03:41] <Dr_Willis> good idea
[03:41] <anton__> What do I need to run .run-files?
[03:41] <k5ubuntu> KSmoothDock and KoolDock - seem to be more stable and fast also in Linux.
[03:41] <Dr_Willis>  Everex, a longtime personal computer vendor, has unveiled its latest PC featuring Ubuntu Linux-based open-source productivity software and Google-based Web 2.0 applications, for a mere $198.
[03:41] <Dr_Willis> Spiffy!
[03:42] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. Its running Enlightment as its desktop. because it rewuires minimal hardware..
[03:42] <k5ubuntu> Dr.Willis on adept they have kooldock to download!
[03:42] <Dr_Willis> Gesh. I rember when Enliughtment was the MOST bloated Desktop/WM out. :)
[03:42] <Dr_Willis> k5ubuntu:  wow! :)
[03:43] <k5ubuntu> lol
[03:45] <dave__> is there a way to disable the join and leave notifications in konversation?
[03:46] <BlackAngel> oi
[03:47] <dave__> blackangel, annnddd?
[03:47] <BlackAngel> yes brasil
[03:48] <dave__> blackangle, sorry
[03:48] <dave__> blackangel, sorry
[03:49] <BlackAngel> :P
[03:49] <dave__> :-)
[03:50] <RogueJediZero> dave__: Settings -> Configure Konversation ... -> Behavior ->  Chat Window -> Hide Join/Part/Nick events
[03:50] <dave__> roguejedizero,thanks
[03:51] <RogueJediZero> Don't mention it
[03:52] <the-erm> I can't believe I'm asking this ... in kcontrol there is a place to enable power saving.  I have it set to 45 minutes.  For both "root" and myself.  Yet every ~5 minutes - I haven't timed it but seems about right - the screen turns off.
[03:52] <the-erm> Any ideas ...
[03:53] <navets> does anyone know if there is a way to redo the gutsy upgrade
[03:53] <BlackAngel> the IRC in Brazil was very weak here after the excrement of msn
[03:54] <RogueJediZero> the-erm: K-Menu -> System Settings -> Desktop -> Screen Saver. Is that it at the bottom?
[03:54] <the-erm> navets: I'm not sure.  You could load up adept_manager find everything that's "installed" and set it to "reinstall"
[03:55] <navets> the-erm: humm, is there a quick way to do that lol?
[03:55] <the-erm> I wish.
[03:55] <the-erm> I don't know.
[03:58] <Lam_> how do i globally stop my computer from beeping whenever i backspace or whatnot?
[03:58] <Dr_Willis> shall we ask WHY this is needing to be done?
[03:59] <draik> Soooooooo......
[03:59] <Dr_Willis> Lam_:  xset b 0 0 0    might do it for ya
[03:59] <the-erm> RogueJediZero: That's really weird ... it didn't have a screen saver.
[03:59] <draik> Just upgraded to Gutsy
[03:59] <Dr_Willis> Lam_:  also Konsole has its own settings for the beep
[03:59] <dave__> has that false upgrade bug been fixed yet?
[03:59] <draik> Not bad. Not bad at all
[03:59] <jacques> xset b off
[03:59] <Dr_Willis> I tend to set the beep to be a real short click. :)
[03:59] <Lam_> Dr_Willis, jacques: i'll give that a try. thanks. this works with gtk too right? pidgin is doing the same thing and it's annoying -_-
[04:00] <the-erm> I could have sworn it was set ... odd, crazy weird.
[04:00] <the-erm> Maybe it's because it wasn't in the "saved session"
[04:02] <Lam_> Dr_Willis: the man page says that the settings will revert upon logout. is there a way to make it more permanent?
[04:03] <perrako> Hey -- I'm having trouble getting window borders in Kubuntu with compiz
[04:03] <perrako> I don't have any window decorators, as it weer
[04:04] <hydrogen> run kde-window-decorator
[04:05] <perrako> Could not find the specified command... should I install it with synaptic?
[04:06] <perrako> NVM, fixed it. Is there a way to get a compiz system tray icon?
[04:06] <Dr_Willis> Lam_:  thats what .bashrc and .bashprofile are good for.
[04:06] <Lam_> Dr_Willis: ah. didn't know that. thanks
[04:09] <kalorin`> hey dr_willis
[04:09] <kalorin`> how's thigns
[04:10] <kalorin`> anyone have any idea why I wouldn't be noticing any more updates for 7.04 lately?
[04:10] <kalorin`> just seems strange, when I was on 6.10, it popped up pretty quickly to upgrade to 7.10
[04:10] <biovore> its being obsoleted
[04:10] <kalorin`> 7.04 rather
[04:11] <kalorin`> I'm not seeing any updater alerts saying click now to do an upgrade
[04:11] <kalorin`> specifically I'd like to be playing with gimp 2.4 now that that's out
[04:11] <biovore> I have always had to manualy upgrade here..
[04:11] <biovore> between dists
[04:12] <kalorin`> doing an apt-get dist-upgrade gives me back that i'm up to date
[04:12] <kalorin`> it's strange
[04:12] <biovore> need to change your /etc/apt/sources.list from feisty to gusty
[04:12] <biovore> then dist-upgrade
[04:12] <biovore> and pray
[04:13] <kalorin`> yeah but it's interesting I didn't have to with the 6.10 to 7.04 upgrade
[04:13] <kalorin`> it just sort of popped up the caution sign one day and said click here to blow stuff up
[04:14] <kalorin`> and the full upgrade button isn't highlighted in adept
[04:14] <kalorin`> so it's like it has no idea it's obsolete
[04:14] <gil__> alguien sabe en español?
[04:14] <kalorin`> I hope it doesn't find out from someone else, it's feelings will be hurt nad it'll be mad at me :)
[04:14] <kalorin`> !es
[04:14] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[04:16] <navets> is there a way to downgrade or fix my sound with an intel hda sound card?
[04:20] <micha_> cze jest ktos z polski
[04:20] <perrako> So, I just installed kick-off, but it won't open with the windows key -- how do I fix that?
[04:21]  * Dr_Willis wonders what kick-off is
[04:21] <Dr_Willis> !info kick-off
[04:21] <ubotu> Package kick-off does not exist in gutsy
[04:21] <Dr_Willis> !find kick
[04:21] <ubotu> Found: kicker, kicker-applets, system-config-kickstart, kicker-contactsmenu, kicker-kblogger (and 1 others)
[04:22] <perrako> Kick-off is that really nice SUSE menu
[04:22] <perrako> Replaces the normal KDE menu... KDE 4 has a version of it as its default menu
[04:26] <Dr_Willis> Oh. that thing i always replace when i work on a suse box. :)
[04:26] <Dr_Willis> saw it on the kde4 live cd.. :) i found it lacking. But to each their own.
[04:27] <perrako> I love the search feature :)
[04:27] <perrako> just... always there, omnipresent
[04:27] <perrako> Heh, either way -- i think it's a problem with kde menu not responding to the key. how would I fix that?
[04:27] <Dr_Willis> Right its so anoying to use  :) ya have to just search..
[04:27] <Dr_Willis> of course I just use Katapult mainly these days.
[04:28] <perrako> heh, I just noticed it.
[04:35] <Dr_Willis> night all...
[04:38] <mmmiiikkkeee> powermanager keeps switching from "AC mode" to "battery mode" every 2 seconds... any ideas of what i could search google for to fix this?
[04:40] <Kamerheimer> some wireless driver help would be appreciated is anyone available
[04:41] <Kamerheimer> idk how to extract the firmware from broadcom drivers using fwcutter
[04:42] <posingaspopular> Kamerheimer: you got the install to work?
[04:43] <awag> does anyone know the name of the search program that came with the feisty faun version of kubuntu?
[04:43] <navets> how do I run the snddevices script?
[04:43] <awag> that was in kmenu
[04:43] <Kamerheimer> yes i did i had to run it with noapic and nolapic
[04:44] <Kamerheimer> i dont know hwo to get hte wireless drivers working
[04:44] <posingaspopular> excellent. well i hate to break the news to you, but it sounds like your computer is going to be a pain to configure
[04:44] <posingaspopular> did you try the wireless documentation?
[04:44] <Kamerheimer> idk what that is
[04:44] <Kamerheimer> this is my first time using linux
[04:44] <posingaspopular> !wireless
[04:45] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[04:45] <Kamerheimer> dont really know the menus and all that well esp since i have no internet on it
[04:45] <Kamerheimer> oh yeah iw as there already
[04:45] <posingaspopular> oh okay
[04:45] <Kamerheimer> idk what broadcom i have
[04:46] <navets> how do I run the snddevices script? or where would the script be
[04:46] <posingaspopular> hmm well ive never setup wireless drivers, so i can't really help, buti can try
[04:47] <dsmith_> !beagle
[04:47] <ubotu> Services to index files for fast searching include: Beagle (front-ends: beagle, catfish, gnome-main-menu, mozilla-beagle for !GNOME; kerry, kio-beagle for !KDE; beaglefs for !CLI) - Tracker (tracker-search-tool, libdeskbar-tracker for GNOME; tracker-utils for CLI) - Strigi (strigi-applet, strigi-client for KDE, strigi-utils for CLI) - Kat (for KDE) - Pinot (and pinot-applet for GNOME) - Doodle (for CLI)
[04:47] <posingaspopular> broadcom is a company that puts integrated circuits into computers, which is of course the hardware. so you need the drivers to make the hardware play nice with the software
[04:47] <dsmith_> more like narrow-minded com
[04:48] <posingaspopular> broadcom chipset just means that the broadcom hardware is the one that's actually connecting your computer to the internet
[04:48] <Kamerheimer> yep
[04:48] <posingaspopular> as far as i know anyway.
[04:48] <posingaspopular> so do you know what the broadcom chipset is on your computer, or are you stuck at that part?
[04:49] <Kamerheimer> yeah idk which one i got
[04:50] <Bearcat> hey folks, i  know this isn't a hardware specific channel, but i really need some trouble shooting help here.
[04:51] <Bearcat> is anyone familiar with gigabyte boards?
[04:52] <Bearcat> I just put together a system around a gigabyte ga-p35-dsr3 and a intel core 2 duo e6550. The first time i turne the system a few minutes ago the cpu fan spun  fine but i got no post tones and no video. After that i still get no post tones, no video and the cpu fan spins at first but then does not.  This is *Exactly* the same problem i am having with another machine with a gigabyte board in it. Any ideas?
[04:53] <posingaspopular> Kamerheimer: ah i dont *actually* know how to findout whatchipset you have
[04:53] <posingaspopular> but let's see if we can figure it out
[04:53] <Kamerheimer> i see this thing written by darkn00b
[04:53] <Kamerheimer> yo knwo him
[04:54] <Kamerheimer> he puts a link to a file but the link doesnt work anymore
[04:55] <posingaspopular> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[04:56] <posingaspopular> the first command should be what you need, and then the rest is ignorable i guess
[04:56] <posingaspopular> so yea, lshw
[04:56] <Kamerheimer> so now i gotta go back to linux and then come back here
[04:56] <Kamerheimer> son of a bleep
[04:56] <Kamerheimer> be back
[04:57] <posingaspopular> doh sorry
[04:57] <posingaspopular> lspci
[04:58] <anton__> Hi, I'm trying to get the avant window manager to work. I can open it and see the dock, but I can't open the preferences of the awn manager...what could be wrong?
[05:00] <Diskonnected> hey room; i have a question is there a package i can get for Kubuntu that will turn the computer its on into a Firewall like IPCop?
[05:00] <Diskonnected> I have a copy of ipcop downloaded but for some reason i cant get the cd to boot...
[05:01] <hydrogen> iptables..
[05:01] <hydrogen> !iptables
[05:01] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[05:03] <Diskonnected> well what i meant was I need a distro to turn a computer into a high functioning firewall for my entire network
[05:04] <Kamerheimer> !wireless
[05:04] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:04] <_dns_> try ipcop
[05:04] <LinuxReign> try Coyote as well
[05:04] <Diskonnected> thats what i tried; its 45mb cd and i cant get it to boot
[05:04] <Diskonnected> is Coyote its own distro?
[05:04] <LinuxReign> yes
[05:05] <hydrogen> Diskonnected: you can do that with any linux computer
[05:05] <bazhang> will setting the ip tables to exclude certain addresses effectively block them?
[05:05] <Diskonnected> whats the website?
[05:05] <LinuxReign> no cdrom or hdd needed, just a floppy drive
[05:05] <Kamerheimer> 03:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM94311MCG wlan mini-PCI (rev 01)
[05:05] <LinuxReign> http://www.coyotelinux.com/
[05:05] <Diskonnected> Hydrogen: Thank you...
[05:05] <Kamerheimer> you see that man
[05:06] <LinuxReign> u can use a 486 with 16 mb of RAM with coyote
[05:06] <LinuxReign> no need to use expensive hardware
[05:06] <posingaspopular> yes i see
[05:06] <Diskonnected> yeah
[05:06] <Diskonnected> is it dependable?
[05:06] <LinuxReign> or keep ur main system up and running 24/7
[05:06] <Diskonnected> and strong
[05:07] <Diskonnected> i need something strong
[05:07] <bazhang> ie, using a filter to exclude certain ip addresses in ip tables?
[05:07] <Diskonnected> iv had multiple intrusion attempts on my network
[05:08] <Diskonnected> well i need it to be able to filter out attacks; basically i dont want actual people being able to connect to my computers; i need logs of everything that happens and i need it to be able to be updateable for blocking new types of attacks and know how to tell if its a trojan or a hacktool thats connecting
[05:08] <Diskonnected> thats the deal im working with
[05:08] <Diskonnected> i was told ipcop is the best but i cant get the cd to friggin boot
[05:08] <bazhang> so will editing the ip tables do that?
[05:08] <Diskonnected> possible
[05:09] <Diskonnected> but only if i know exactly what ip's/ip ranges i need to block or want to block
[05:09] <posingaspopular> Kamerheimer: i am 'googling'
[05:09] <Kamerheimer> ok thanks broseph
[05:09] <Kamerheimer> pm me ok
[05:09] <Kamerheimer> too much clutter here
[05:09] <bazhang> I had about 35 hits from a mainland chinese address in less than two minutes
[05:10] <LinuxReign> Coyote should do what u need, IPCop as well
[05:10] <Diskonnected> yeah...
[05:10] <Diskonnected> is it possible the ipcop iso image i got isnt bootable or what?
[05:10] <Diskonnected> and if so how do i do a network install
[05:10] <bazhang> and whois doesn't know who they are.
[05:11] <LinuxReign> for a network install the system board must have that capability
[05:11] <LinuxReign> depends on the mainboard
[05:12] <Diskonnected> k...
[05:13] <Diskonnected> this is some crap:\
[05:13] <Diskonnected> is Coyote a live cd?
[05:14] <LinuxReign> let me see if i have an image of that
[05:14] <Diskonnected> ok...
[05:14] <Diskonnected> idk but the comp wont boot from a cd but it will boot from a hard drive...its set to boot CD first
[05:14] <Diskonnected> doesnt make sense
[05:15] <LinuxReign> thats an old version but, woks
[05:15] <LinuxReign> works*
[05:15] <Diskonnected> what?
[05:15] <LinuxReign> accept the file
[05:15] <Diskonnected> ooo ok
[05:16] <Diskonnected> wait
[05:16] <Diskonnected> i dont c a pm?
[05:16] <Diskonnected> i am using XChat
[05:16] <LinuxReign> i see
[05:16] <LinuxReign> Im running Konversation
[05:17] <LinuxReign> not familiar with the Xchat thingy
[05:17] <LinuxReign> :P
[05:17] <Diskonnected> i dont use linux on this box
[05:17] <Diskonnected> lemme switch to Mirc
[05:17] <LinuxReign> k
[05:17] <Diskonnected> i will be back in a few
[05:17] <LinuxReign> k
[05:17] <jacques> anyone else have problems with audio and realplayer
[05:17] <LinuxReign> nope
 i am ok Kubuntu right?
[05:18] <Diskonnected> #Kubuntu?
[05:18] <LinuxReign> yes
[05:19] <Diskonnected> ok one sec
[05:19] <LinuxReign> i need a Coke brb
[05:19] <Diskonnected> ok
[05:19] <Diskonnected> im loggin in a d1sk0nn3ct3d
[05:22] <bazhang> will Kubuntu let me install a new system without swap?
[05:23] <bazhang> fresh install, but just no swap--possible?
[05:24] <Jucato> (only one way to find out...
[05:24] <Jucato> :P
[05:25] <LinuxReign> lol
[05:25] <bazhang> trying to install to a solid state drive, and don't want to wear it out
[05:25] <Jucato> I suppose it's possible... but haven't really tried
[05:25] <LinuxReign> hiya jucato, long time no see you on the forums
[05:26] <Jucato> which forums? :)
[05:26] <LinuxReign> kubuntu's
[05:26] <Jucato> MepisReigh is that you? (duh!)
[05:26] <LinuxReign> hahahaha
[05:26] <LinuxReign> yes indeed
[05:26] <LinuxReign> :P
[05:26] <Jucato> haha oh I've been there. posting here and there. but even w/o the posts I monitor it daily....
[05:26] <Jucato> 3x a day in fact
[05:26] <LinuxReign> oh
[05:27] <Jucato> RSS Feeds are a god-send! :)
[05:27] <LinuxReign> the its me the one that have been lost :P
[05:27] <D1sk0nn3ct3d> Linux Reign
[05:27] <D1sk0nn3ct3d> its Diskonnected i came on Mirc will u send whatever it is now
[05:27] <bazhang> Jucato: there are rss feeds for this channel?
[05:27] <LinuxReign> trying to send you the file, but it states that im not registered
[05:27] <Jucato> bazhang: no. we were talking about kubuntuforums.net
[05:28] <D1sk0nn3ct3d> what do u mean?
[05:28] <D1sk0nn3ct3d> on the server?
[05:28] <bazhang> oopsie, my bad
[05:28] <Jucato> !register | LinuxReign
[05:28] <ubotu> LinuxReign: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[05:28] <Jucato> quite simple to do :)
[05:28] <D1sk0nn3ct3d> ghetto
[05:28] <D1sk0nn3ct3d> do u use another chat protocol?
[05:28] <D1sk0nn3ct3d> i have aim and yahoo/msn
[05:28] <D1sk0nn3ct3d> or u can email it?
[05:28] <LinuxReign> email
[05:28] <LinuxReign> would be faster
[05:29] <Jucato> it would be simple enough for you to actually register your nick and DCC the file :)
[05:29] <D1sk0nn3ct3d> ok diskonnected@cox.net
[05:29] <D1sk0nn3ct3d> how big is the file?
[05:29] <LinuxReign> 2.6 megs
[05:29] <D1sk0nn3ct3d> thats fine
[05:29] <D1sk0nn3ct3d> ill check it in a few let me know
[05:29] <D1sk0nn3ct3d> btw what is it?
[05:29] <Jucato> D1sk0nn3ct3d, LinuxReign: might want to just PM each other :)
[05:29] <Quel> hi there. is there a boot parameter to boot with an ati radeon xpress 1250 driver? Kubuntu is not ablo to start the x-mode :(
[05:30] <LinuxReign> its Coyote
[05:30] <D1sk0nn3ct3d> i have coyote 3.0
[05:30] <D1sk0nn3ct3d> 3.00.7 iso
[05:30] <LinuxReign> oh i see
[05:31] <D1sk0nn3ct3d> and its 24 megs
[05:31] <LinuxReign> well its already sent :P
[05:31] <D1sk0nn3ct3d> i dont use floppies so floppy images wouldnt work
[05:31] <D1sk0nn3ct3d> ok no worries what is the one u sent?
[05:31] <LinuxReign> 2.24
[05:32] <Jucato> Quel: you don't need a boot parameter. you  just need to set the driver up properly... unfortunately, I don't have an ATI so I can't help much
[05:32] <LinuxReign> ok, its time to me to get some sleep
[05:32] <LinuxReign> c ya guys later
[05:33] <D1sk0nn3ct3d> hmmm ok
[05:33]  * Jucato was just about to recommend continuing your discussion in -offtopic ;P
[05:33] <D1sk0nn3ct3d> ok ttyl linux reign
[05:34] <smorg> anyone happen to know if there is an atitool-ish program for *nix
[05:35] <posingaspopular> ati too-ish program?
[05:35] <posingaspopular> to do what specifically
[05:35] <smorg> ati overclocking
[05:35] <Jucato> ah ATI Tool-ish :)
[05:35] <smorg> checks for artifacts
[05:36]  * posingaspopular backs away from the ATI talk before it corrupts his computer
[05:36] <Quel> hmm
[05:36] <smorg> since it works with drivers and directx I suspect it won't work with wine
[05:36] <smorg> lawl
[05:36] <smorg> compiz needs a little boost on this old ati 9700
[05:37] <Quel> Whats going on? I booted my kubunto 7.04 CD and after the booting screen is text and a second booting screen and than a black screen with a blinking "_" on the left-top edge :(
[05:37] <smorg> still not a bad card though... its stable with like 70 mhz o/c
[05:38] <smorg> Quel: maybe x just isn't starting?
[05:38] <smorg> can you get to a console?
[05:38] <smorg> or is it stuck
[05:38] <Quel> smorg: how to get a console?
[05:38] <Jucato> Quel: Ctrl+Alt+F1
[05:38] <smorg> ctrl+alt+F1-F7
[05:38] <Quel> I just have a blinking "_"
[05:38] <smorg> F1 through F7
[05:38] <Quel> yes it works
[05:38] <smorg> type Startx
[05:39] <smorg> er
[05:39] <smorg> startx
[05:39] <Quel> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$
[05:39] <Quel> Fatal Server Error: no screens found
[05:39] <smorg> have any backups of your xorg.conf?
[05:39] <bazhang> so if I install Kubuntu without swap, I'll need to create a 100MB /boot partition and the rest for / --am I missing anything?
[05:40] <smorg> check your xorg log in /var/x11
[05:40] <smorg> I think
[05:40] <Quel> smorg what do you mean?
[05:40] <posingaspopular> bazhang: /home
[05:40] <Jucato> bazhang: /boot partition is not necessary either. it can be in the same / partition
[05:40] <bazhang> Jucato: so just a / partition will do?
[05:41] <Jucato> SSD's wear out more easily than regular HD's?
[05:41]  * Jucato never heard that before...
[05:41] <Jucato> btw how much RAM do you have?
[05:41] <Vuen> hi
[05:41] <bazhang> posingaspopular: this is on a solid state drive--only4GB, so want to keep size to a minimum
[05:41]  * posingaspopular actually heads off to bed before he falls asleep on the keys. not ideal #kubuntu conditions
[05:41] <Vuen> i just selected a folder in Dolphin and click "Compressed Here"
[05:41] <smorg> Quel: oh this is just the livecd?
[05:41] <posingaspopular> ah i didn't know that
[05:41] <Quel> yes
[05:41] <bazhang> Jucato: one Gigabyte
[05:41] <Vuen> where the heck did it put the archive??
[05:41] <smorg> :-/
[05:42] <Jucato> bazhang: you probably won't be using the swap partition even if you had one :)
[05:42] <Quel> Ati Radeon XPress 1250.. i think its my videocard
[05:42] <smorg> do you have enough ram to run the livecd?
[05:42] <bazhang> Jucato: thanks! will give it a shot.
[05:42] <Jucato> Vuen: go one directory up
[05:42] <smorg> requires 256 mb afaik
[05:42] <bazhang> smorg: yes
[05:42] <smorg> hm
[05:42] <Quel> i have 2GB RAM
[05:43]  * Jucato is now confused who's talking to who...
[05:43] <Vuen> Jucato: oh. it tarred the whole folder. i assumed it would only tar what i selected.
[05:43] <smorg> Quel: I guess i'm not so sure about configuring video drivers from command line... if thats even why its hanging for you. It could be anything.
[05:43] <Vuen> good thing i didn't click that while selecting something in home...
[05:43] <Jucato> Vuen: no you have to right-click on the particular folder
[05:44] <Jucato> Vuen: or go into the folder you want compressed, then select Compress Here
[05:44] <Jucato> and yes, D3lphin is a bit annoying when it comes to that :)
[05:44] <Quel> i had the same error while booting kanotix... kano said i had to use "screen=auto fglrx" in the bootmanager to boot because it is an ati radeon video-card, after that it worked
[05:45] <Quel> i think kubunto dont know this parameter
[05:45] <Jucato> I don't think the Live CD has one
[05:45] <Jucato> you can always check. at the startup screen, you can press F1. there might be help options
[05:46] <Quel> can i install kubunto to my /dev/sda1 in console?
[05:46] <drarem> since the 7.10 release, there haven't been any system updates to speak of, right?
[05:47] <Jucato> Quel: not if you're using the Live CD
[05:47] <Jucato> drarem: there were
[05:47] <Jucato> last week I think
[05:48] <Jucato> specifically there was an update to kdelibs that fixed the Kopete crashing problem
[05:48] <Quel> Jucato how can in install kubuntu without a cd? Do i need windows for installing?
[05:48] <drarem> i commented out my cd-universe..
[05:48] <Jucato> Quel: there's an alternate installation CD that can install without a GUI
[05:48] <Quel> ah okay, so i need the xserver to install
[05:49] <Jucato> Quel: only *IF* you are using the Desktop CD. the Alternate Install CD doesn't need xserver
[05:49] <Jucato> drarem: if you have gutsy-updates repositories enabled, you should have gotten them
[05:49] <drarem> ok
[05:50]  * Jucato hands genii some beer
[05:50] <Jucato> (before going AFK)
[05:50] <genii> Heh :)
[05:50]  * genii sips
[05:50] <Quel> i got a kubuntu cd from a free sorfware-day.. there was a kubuntu-office and they gave me the cd
[05:51] <genii> heh. Forgot i left the work computer on LOL
[05:51] <Quel> oh i have to go to school
[05:51] <Jucato> genii: ssh and shut it down :)
[05:51] <Quel> be right back :)
[05:51] <Quel> goodbye
[05:51]  * Jucato really goes afk
[05:54] <tehk> Anyone know why lucida sans typewriter is not selectable for my monospace font?(its installed and an option everywhere else)
[05:54] <genii> Jucato: That ones behind a router without 22 forwarded :(
[06:31] <monsterb> !java
[06:31] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[06:53] <anton__> Hello there, Can I make windows transparent? Not just the bars...
[06:58] <bazhang> anton__: sure!
[07:03] <anton__> bazhang: How?
[07:04] <utnubuk> what prog is recomended for creating .iso's?
[07:05] <Daisuke_Ido> utnubuk: dd
[07:05] <utnubuk> Daisuke_Ido: thanks
[07:06] <utnubuk> !dd
[07:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dd - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:06] <wilson> mkisofs makes iso
[07:06] <Daisuke_Ido> utnubuk: try using k3b
[07:06] <utnubuk> ive heard of dd, i looked at man pages but didnt look easy :)
[07:08] <nalioth> k3b is probably the easiest way
[07:08] <utnubuk> nalioth: yeah but i wanna be harcore about it
[07:08] <utnubuk> heh
[07:09] <wilson> mkisofs -o filename.iso  file_or_directory
[07:10] <utnubuk> ty
[07:10] <Daisuke_Ido> dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/whatever.iso
[07:10] <Daisuke_Ido> i don't know how well that would actually work
[07:10] <Daisuke_Ido> but meh
[07:10] <bazhang> anton__: well, you do need compiz-fusion and all the plugins installed (both main and extra), as well as the settings manager
[07:10] <Jucato> Daisuke_Ido: might want to drop the / before whatever and it will :)
[07:11] <Daisuke_Ido> Jucato: just using that as a way to give a directory to store it
[07:11] <anton__> bazhang: I think I have compiz-fusion installed. Could you send me a link to a guide or something?
[07:12] <nalioth> utnubuk: then dd is probably as hardcore as you're gonna find
[07:12] <Jucato> Daisuke_Ido: yes... but that will try to write it in the / directory, to which you don't have write access to :)
[07:12] <Daisuke_Ido> Jucato: this is true
[07:13] <bazhang> anton__: not sure about a guide, though I can tell you how to do it--pretty simple really
[07:13] <Daisuke_Ido> dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/directory/you/want/to/use/and/have/write/access/to/whatever.iso
[07:13] <Daisuke_Ido> there :D
[07:13] <Jucato> bah! just simply dd if=/dev/cdrom of=whatever.iso :P
[07:14] <Jucato> it will create it in the current directory, and he can just move it himself later :P
[07:14] <anton__> bazhang: Sounds great!
[07:14] <Jucato> !compiz | anton__
[07:14] <ubotu> anton__: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[07:14] <Daisuke_Ido> what if you happen to be in a directory you don't have write access to?
[07:14] <Jucato> Daisuke_Ido: simple answer: wth are you doing in there? :P
[07:14] <Daisuke_Ido> Jucato: you know i'm just making your life difficult right now :)
[07:14] <OliverKrueger> Hello World
[07:14] <Jucato> I can make yours more difficult :P
[07:15] <Jucato> and all I need... is a little crown :D
[07:15]  * Jucato waves to nalioth
[07:15] <Daisuke_Ido> aww, that's not very nice!
[07:15] <Jucato> :D
[07:15] <Daisuke_Ido> besides, it's bedtime :)
[07:15] <nalioth> hi Jucato
[07:16] <anton__> bazhang: I have compis installed.
[07:17] <bazhang> anton__: and under settings in the kmenu do you have 'Advanced Desktop Effects Settings'?
[07:18] <utnubuk> whats all that talk about bytes and blocks in the man pages for dd?
[07:18] <bazhang> you need to specify the block size ie 1024
[07:18] <anton__> bazhang: Yes, I have.
[07:18] <bazhang> anton__: I don't have it on right now, so hold on a minute
[07:19] <anton__> bazhang: Np. :)
[07:19] <guillermo> how stable is gusty now?
[07:19] <Jucato> utnubuk: for simple ISO creation, you don't need most of the other options there
[07:19] <utnubuk> so dd if=whatever of=whatever will just copy verbatim
[07:20] <utnubuk> ok cool thanks
[07:22] <eagles0513875> any1 know fi there are any bugs with soundkonverter and the w64codecs
[07:22] <eagles0513875> !w64codecs
[07:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about w64codecs - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:22] <eagles0513875> !w32codecs
[07:22] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[07:25] <bazhang> anton__: there are a couple of ways to do this (likely more); one is with the scale effect, that will make all the other windows become transparent--except the one you are on.
[07:26] <bazhang> anton__: by mousing over the various windows, the new one becomes opaque, and the others transparent
[07:26] <anton__> bazhang: Ok.
[07:27] <bazhang> anton__: try it--and you might want to make the top corner (or whatever corner) the trigger --located under bindings--double click the area under screen corner and then choose the one you want
[07:28] <anton__> bazhang: Sorry, can you repeat that in a simpler version?
[07:28] <bazhang> anton__: you need to adjust the opacity in the main window as well--I set mine to 35, which is quite transparent--though you may want more :}
[07:28] <OliverKrueger> Is the kubuntu-feisty repository (german -de- mirror) down?
[07:28] <bazhang> anton__: PM?
[07:28] <anton__> I can't msg you.
[07:29] <bazhang> how about joining #kubuntu-offtopic?
[07:29] <anton__> Not registered.
[07:29] <anton__> Sure, see you there :)
[07:29] <zgmf-x20a> hey all.  have a question abt Kontact.  how do i change the font color of the names?  currently i cannot see any names after doing an import.  also, i am running it out of gnome.  i prefer kubuntu by far, but alas, my wireless card works on ubuntu, and not through kde...
[07:30] <zgmf-x20a> any thoughts?
[07:33] <eagles0513875> zgmf-x20a: what kinda card do u have
[07:33] <eagles0513875> !restricted
[07:33] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:34] <zgmf-x20a> eagles0513875: trust me dude, ive been thur it from so many angles.... ubuntu just works, getting it to work thru kubuntu was a nightmare...  its the intel wireless 4695 agn, integrated in my laptop
[07:35] <eagles0513875> zgmf-x20a: ouch. mine used to be a nightmare in any distro mines a broadcom 4306
[07:35] <eagles0513875> where do i get the w32codecs from for some reason i cant find them even though i have all repos enabled
[07:36] <zgmf-x20a> lol.  dude, dont worry about media stuff.... download and install vlc media player
[07:36] <OliverKrueger> How do I change my repository mirror without editing apt/sources.list manually? Is there a tool to choose a mirror from a given list?
[07:37] <zgmf-x20a> just type vlc in adept
[07:37] <zgmf-x20a> downlaod and install the main package and you will never have to worry abt codecs ever again
[07:37] <zgmf-x20a> man,,,, i miss adept.... synaptic leaves something to be desired
[07:38] <Jucato> wow!
[07:38] <Jucato> first person I've heard say that :)
[07:38] <Jucato> there might be hope for adept after all :)
[07:38] <zgmf-x20a> lol, its true, adept is simple, clean, and descriptive
[07:38] <zgmf-x20a> synaptic is all over the place
[07:38] <Jucato> which adept? :)
[07:39] <zgmf-x20a> adept that comes with 7.10 is fine
[07:39] <zgmf-x20a> 6.10 was fine too
[07:39] <zgmf-x20a> its simple
[07:39] <zgmf-x20a> that is key
[07:39] <Jucato> There are 5 brothers in the Adept family now...
[07:40] <zgmf-x20a> hey eagles0513875 did you get vlc yet!?
[07:40] <Jucato> Adept Notifier (system tray notifier), Adept Updater (update tool), Adept Installer (Add/Remove Programs), Adept Manager (the Big Adept) and Adept Batch (almost never seen/used)
[07:40] <zgmf-x20a> well, i dunno, my opinion is that it is much cleanier, simpler to use
[07:40] <zgmf-x20a> oooo, adept updater
[07:40] <Jucato> (the simplest would be Adept Notifier since it just displays and icon and sits there :D
[07:40] <zgmf-x20a> well and installer
[07:41] <Zombocom> how do you edit xorg.conf from the command prompt?
[07:41] <Jucato> Zombocom: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:41] <zgmf-x20a> lol, yah that is good, but i mean to use for looking for packages, and seeing what they are for, and as a tool to manage packages its much better
[07:41] <Jucato> Ctrl+O to save (writeOver) and Ctrl+X to exit
[07:41] <Jucato> zgmf-x20a: ah you haven't encountered a big issue I have with Adept Installer
[07:42] <zgmf-x20a> i only used to encounter issues back in 5.10
[07:42] <zgmf-x20a> from then on, its been a beautiful tool
[07:43] <Jucato> try search for GCC in there :)
[07:43] <Jucato> basically, Adept Installer (Add/Remove Programs) only shows a limited number of packages, compared to the actual number of packages available through the repositories...
[07:43] <Jucato> it sort of has it's own, smaller database...
[07:44] <zgmf-x20a> this is my second go on ubuntu....  since the 5.10 days...  the gui is quite nice, very mac esque...  with the closing and opening thing, but honestly, if kubuntu had that and the wireless networking ubuntu has, kubuntu would be hype
[07:44] <zgmf-x20a> ooooo yah i knoe there is that issue
[07:44] <Jucato> which annoys me.. because, if you can't find a package in Installer that you know exists, you have to close it and launch Manager instead
[07:44] <zgmf-x20a> yahhhhhhhh i had that with my nvidia card back in 6.10
[07:44] <zgmf-x20a> that was hell
[07:45]  * Jucato wants a unified, clean, simple but powerful UI for Adept  Installer + Manager...
[07:45] <zgmf-x20a> lol it is pretty clean, just the useful ness with thos types of packages yah is a pain
[07:46] <Jucato> it's clean, but less useful, and a ripoff from Ubuntu's Add/Remove... maybe that's the goal anyway...
[07:47] <zgmf-x20a> SWEET,,,, kontact issue in gnome now solved... just had to re import after restart.... very odd, but with gnme it seems you have to restart after every kde app install to get it to work proper....
[07:47] <Jucato> oh well....
[07:47] <zgmf-x20a> lol well its a derivative of ubuntu right, so that makes sense
[07:47] <Jucato> it's not a deriv... it's a clone :P
[07:48] <zgmf-x20a> iiiiiiiiii dunno man.... they are pretty different in alot of areas..... well, front end wise
[07:48] <Jucato> hehe
[07:50] <zgmf-x20a> the core though yah, is clone, thats why i say derivative... like some stuff in ubuntu sucks so much.  the way to burn files and all, horrible, k3b, amazing, and konqueror, same thing, amazing, easy, this nautilus is..... not fun... lol
[07:50] <Jucato> oh I was talking only about the Add Remove Programs :)
[07:50] <Jucato> that one's a real clone, interface-wise :)
[07:50] <zgmf-x20a> hahahahaha oh... damn that seems to be your focus... lol
[07:51] <Jucato> yeah. it's an itch I want to scratch but can't :)
[07:51]  * Philip5-aWay is Away, Reason: ( at work ) | Since: ( Friday, November 2, 2007. 08:41:00 ) Xlack v2.1
[07:52] <Jucato> !away > Philip5-aWay
[07:53] <zgmf-x20a> hahaha... im sure it will be equvalent at some point, i find kubuntu is always just a step behind ubuntu....  like as soon as 8.10 comes out, ill be back on kubuntu because it whould be pretty up to speed by then
[07:53]  * Jucato sighs... 
[07:53] <zgmf-x20a> course thats in like years
[07:53] <Jucato> I only know too well :(
[07:53] <zgmf-x20a> lol
[07:53] <zgmf-x20a> aight now that i got the kontact back up and running im gunna go mess around with it for awhile
[07:53] <zgmf-x20a> catch you later man
[07:54] <Jucato> well, Kubuntu 8.04 would have caught up to Ubuntu 7.10 by then. And Kubuntu 8.10 will have KDE 4.x installed by default
[07:57] <TheGateKeeper> hmm will be interesting to see what the upgrade path will be from the last lts version
[08:00] <Jucato> yes very interesting indeed
[08:03] <mm_202> How can I turn off window transparencies from the console?
[08:04] <mm_202> I enabled them and it totally jacked up my screen, so Im running failsafe now.
[08:08] <eagles0513875> zgmf-x20a: no i have vlc
[08:08] <bazhang> possible to use avant window manager with compiz-fusion?
[08:09] <eagles0513875> zgmf-x20a: the problem im having with all the codecs installed for some reason soundkonverter wont allow me to convert from wma to any other format
[08:09] <eagles0513875> !compiz
[08:09] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[08:09] <bazhang> I know all about compiz-fusion, just wanted to know if they could be run together.
[08:10] <lounge-about> i have a 60 gig hdd. its ext3 formatted with kubuntu. currently only about half of it is being used, is there any way i can format, say just a 10gig partition to ntfs?
[08:10] <Jucato> you'll have to ask the compiz-fusion guys about that :/
[08:10] <bazhang> thanks Jucato!
[08:11] <Jucato> lounge-about: you can resize the partition to create a 10gb ntfs partition... (don't ask me for details.. I suck at doing that)
[08:11] <Jucato> !partition
[08:11] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[08:11] <Jucato> you can use gparted
[08:11] <lounge-about> ive tried using gparted
[08:12] <lounge-about> but it wont let me do anything
[08:12] <Jucato> you will probably have to do it from a live cd. since you can't do any actions if the partition you want to modify is mounted
[08:12] <eagles0513875> zgmf-x20a: i dunno what else to do except file a bug
[08:12] <TheGateKeeper> lounge-about, you should be able to use gparted to shrink the original partition, then create a new ntfs partition & format it
[08:13] <TheGateKeeper> I have done similar things but with ext3
[08:13] <OliverKrueger> I want to upgrade from feisty to gutsy with adept. Doing so adept downloads an update-manager with a hardcoded repository uri (which is not avail at the moment). How do I change adepts behaviour?
[08:13] <eagles0513875> OliverKrueger: look at the upgrade instructions at the top
[08:14] <OliverKrueger> eagles0513875: I did.
[08:14] <lounge-about> OliverKrueger: adept dist-upgrade
[08:14] <lounge-about> or adept install dist-upgrade
[08:15] <Jucato> lounge-about: er.... no
[08:15] <Jucato> not valid commands.
[08:15] <lounge-about> or is it apt
[08:15] <lounge-about> apt-get
[08:15] <Jucato> apt-get
[08:15] <OliverKrueger> eagles0513875: there is no adept on the cli. :-(
[08:15] <lounge-about> i go back and forth from KDE and GNOME a lot
[08:16] <OliverKrueger> sorry. I meant lounge-about. ;)
[08:16] <Jucato> but that's not the recommended method to upgrade to Gutsy
[08:16] <lounge-about> its how i had to do it...in a terminal boot on top of that
[08:17] <eagles0513875> OliverKrueger: its apt instead
[08:17] <Jucato> OliverKrueger: at what part of the instructions have you stopped? what errors are you getting?
[08:17] <TheGateKeeper> I abandoned (k)ubuntu because the upgrade mechanism sucked, good to see nothing has changed...
[08:17] <Jucato> eagles0513875: if you're willing to give him exact instructions on what packages should be installed to ensure a complete upgrade, which repositories to disable, etc.
[08:17] <OliverKrueger> The problem is: I can perfectly change the repository uri in adept. Everything works fine until the external update-manager is launched.
[08:17] <eagles0513875> TheGateKeeper: i upgraded successfully
[08:18] <eagles0513875> Jucato: all he has to do make sure feisty has all the upgraded pkgs
[08:18] <lounge-about> are you getting package errors?
[08:18] <eagles0513875> Jucato: then add the repos in adept the he can do a fully upgrade
[08:18] <Jucato> TheGateKeeper: it's improving... the upgrade from Feisty to Gutsy has not been very problematic
[08:18] <TheGateKeeper> eagles0513875, hmm works for me doesn't cut it, has to work for EVERYONE
[08:18] <OliverKrueger>  /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log says: IOError in cache.update(): 'Failed to fetch http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty....
[08:18] <eagles0513875> Jucato: or he could use source o matic to change the source list and use the cli to do a complete dist upgrade
[08:19] <TheGateKeeper> Jucato, tell that to OliverKrueger
[08:19] <OliverKrueger> afaik, de.archive.ubuntu.com is down/corrupt/whatever at the moment.
[08:19] <intelikey> i went all through the wiki on midi   and according to that it should be working   there is no "if" contengent for when it doesn't "just work"    so anyone have any insight at all on this ?      playmidi: No playback device found.
[08:19] <sebastian^> good morning folks :)!
[08:19] <Jucato> TheGateKeeper: most of the problems that have happened are 1) 3rd party repositories blocking the upgrade or 2) server traffic failing to fetch updates
[08:20] <OliverKrueger> 2) might be my problem. :)
[08:20] <OliverKrueger> How fresh is gutsy? Are the ubuntu.com servers still under heavy load?
[08:21] <Jucato> hi intelikey!
[08:21] <intelikey> shalom Jucato
[08:21] <TheGateKeeper> I got fed up with this nonsense, so I only use distros with rolling updates
[08:21] <Jucato> OliverKrueger: not taht new. not sure why the german servers would have a problem
[08:21] <lounge-about> server load is going down
[08:22] <OliverKrueger> I had probs doing a normal dist-upgrade (on feisty), thats why I chose a different mirror.
[08:22] <OliverKrueger> But the new mirror is not taken for update_manager.
[08:22] <Jucato> eagles0513875: not so simple. he has to 1) make sure all 3rd party repos are disabled and 2) make sure that some basic metapackages are installed, and some other checks. these are done automatically by the upgrade tool. but if you've had experience with some other method, please go ahead
[08:22] <lounge-about> hm,mm
[08:23] <Jucato> OliverKrueger: any change you do w/ mirrors affects Adept and APT
[08:23] <OliverKrueger> yes
[08:23] <OliverKrueger> all.
[08:23] <OliverKrueger> sources.list shows the new mirror entries.
[08:25] <sharkp> 'morning
[08:25] <waylandbill> OliverKrueger: the change goes into effect after an update btw.
[08:26] <TheGateKeeper> Jucato, I still have dapper, but don't really use it, when the next lts version I will upgrade it just to see what happens, my bet is something will break along the way, but we shall have to wait an d see
[08:26]  * intelikey sujests set the sources list and run...    for Q in `dpkg -l | grep ^ii | cut -d' ' -f3 ` ;do sudo apt-get remove -y $Q ;done ;sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[08:26] <sharkp> I've a problem with dolphin
[08:26] <sharkp> every time I close it, it appears a pop-up saying:
[08:26] <OliverKrueger> waylandbill: I did update with adept (and to be sure with apt-get again). :)
[08:28] <Jucato> TheGateKeeper: sometimes, expectations are self-fulfilling prophecies. but I do imagine there will be some bumps. there always are
[08:28] <sharkp> unable to save bookmarks on /home/sharkp/.kde/apps/d3lphin/boockmarks.xml. The error is: permission denied."
[08:28] <sharkp> how can I solve this problem
[08:28] <sharkp> =
[08:28] <sharkp> ?
[08:28] <intelikey> sharkp own it
[08:29] <intelikey> sharkp sudo chown `whoami` /home/sharkp/.kde/apps/d3lphin/boockmarks.xml
[08:29] <Jucato> known bug :)
[08:29] <intelikey> Jucato oh is it ?   not actually a permissions issue ?
[08:29] <Jucato> it is both :)
[08:29] <llutz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dolphin/+bug/136458
[08:30] <Jucato> a permission issue caused by a known bug :)
[08:30] <llutz> ^^ dolphn
[08:30] <sharkp> intelikey, "bash:sharkp:command not found"
[08:30] <sharkp> sure about your command?
[08:30] <Jucato> actually it's a kdesudo bug that affects not only dolphin...
[08:30] <Jucato> sharkp: yes. but you didn't enter it properly :)
[08:30] <Jucato> why did you include your name in it :D
[08:30] <intelikey> sharkp i was kinda hopping that you knew that your name was not part of the command....
[08:31] <sharkp> yeah,yeah, I know...
[08:31] <ardchoille> sharkp: You're path is wrong
[08:31] <intelikey> ardchoille lol
[08:31] <sharkp> ardchoille, yeah, not boockmarks
[08:31] <sharkp> I've corrected it
[08:31] <ardchoille> .kde/apps?
[08:31] <sharkp> ardchoille, oh, .kde/share/apps
[08:32] <ardchoille> yeah
[08:32] <sharkp> I'll correctr
[08:32] <sharkp> is this the command?-->sudo chown `sharkp` /home/sharkp/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/bookmarks.xml
[08:32] <intelikey> tab key   man   tab key
[08:32] <Jucato> sharkp: nope...
[08:32] <intelikey> no
[08:32] <sharkp> no?mmm...
[08:32] <intelikey> no
[08:32] <sharkp> and why?
[08:33] <Jucato> sudo chown `whoami` /home/sharkp/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/bookmarks.xml
[08:33] <intelikey> `sharkp` <<< can't execute  sharkp
[08:33] <Jucato> because we're not sure whether your IRC nick is also your username :)
[08:33] <sharkp> and so? I've put my name
[08:33] <Jucato> and `` does something elese
[08:33] <sharkp> it's the same
[08:33] <Jucato> no it's not
[08:33] <sharkp> Jucato,  " "?
[08:33] <Jucato> `foo` will try to run foo as a command
[08:33] <Jucato> to `sharkp` will try to run sharkp... which isn't a command or a program
[08:34] <intelikey> sharkp test this.     echo "whoami"      and also     echo `whoami`
[08:34] <Jucato> whoami is a command
[08:34] <sharkp> ok, "" is correct
[08:34] <Jucato> ...
[08:34] <sharkp> Jucato, ah!ok! I thought it was a sample
[08:34] <sharkp> ok
[08:34] <sharkp> I've put "sharkp"
[08:35] <sharkp> ok, solved
[08:35] <sharkp> thanx guys
[08:35] <Jucato> we're sure about the commands we give. but we  do expect that you'll enter them as they are... unless you really know what you're doing. :D
[08:35] <intelikey> sharkp also  test this one       echo "$(whoami)"
[08:36] <Jucato> bash is confusing when it comes to "", '', and ``...
[08:36] <Jucato> oh well
[08:36] <darth_chatri> can i use the battery monitor applet outside kicker?
[08:37] <darth_chatri> basically i want to use that outside kde
[08:39] <intelikey> echo `Q() { sleep 20 ;kill -9 $PPID ; } ;until false ;do Q & ;done`        <<<< that might explain it better
[08:40] <emilsedgh> darth_chatri: there should be karamba for battery, look at kde-look.org and install superkaramba
[08:40] <Blissex> darth_chatri: that is not a good idea because it stupidly keeps writing the battery status to a file, wasting a log of power.
[08:41] <Blissex> darth_chatri: using the KDE default battery monitor applet is a bad idea in KDE too as a result.
[08:41] <Jucato> O.o
[08:43] <emilsedgh> how are you Jucato? you feeling better from last week?
[08:43] <Jucato> emilsedgh: yep :)
[08:44] <emilsedgh> Jucato: im happy to hear that
[08:44] <Jucato> thanks for asking :)
[08:47] <Blissex> darth_chatri: http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/blog/0704apr.html#070424 has the details and a not so good workaround.
[08:48] <pete_> ;
[08:49] <eagles0513875> why do i need a wma encoder when all i wanna do is encode my music in another format besides wma
[08:54] <pete_> i'm trying to ssh my iphone but it says 'no route to host' (im at a hotel right now) should I wait to get to my home network then try?
[08:55] <pete_> i can see the iphone in the network thing, but when i try to ping it i get no route message
[08:56] <darth_chatri> Blissex: i dont have that installed. but the applet is there. maybe the name is something else
[08:56] <Ohman> Hey, I have a problem. I can't startx. "No screens found"...Tried reinstalling nvidia-glx...
[08:57] <darth_chatri> the config file is power-managerrc, what is the name of the executable?
[08:59] <Jucato> guidance-power-manager ?
[09:00] <TheGateKeeper> Ohman: you could try using the nv drivers to get things going to start with
[09:02] <intelikey> anyone have a clue-by-four why i always get this from apt   Install these packages without verification [y/N]?    ???
[09:04] <robinsw> Hi all... any ideas why my external USB hard drive shows under 'Storage Media' but when I try to access it, it gives me error 'hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000'?
[09:06] <intelikey> robinsw that's a pretty common problem.   have you checked the forums to see what others are doing to fix it ?
[09:06] <zsozsi> sziasztok  valaki  használja  a  kubuntu  studiot?
[09:07] <robinsw> Not yet, intelikey. Is there a simple fix?
[09:07] <Jucato> !hu
[09:07] <ubotu> Magyar nyelvű segítséget az #ubuntu-hu csatornán talál
[09:07]  * intelikey </shrugs>
[09:07] <robinsw> Fixed it
[09:07] <robinsw> Uncheck 'Mount as user'
[09:07] <robinsw> Fuck you very much.
[09:14] <eagles0513875> !ohmy |robinsw
[09:14] <ubotu> robinsw: Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[09:15] <Morgwyr> What happens if you do let out a curse?
[09:15] <Morgwyr> Damnit.
[09:25] <Agent_bob> anyone have a place to post some shell scripts ?   i have a tarball of the ones that i would share with the world.   some are not so good some are #1     but i don't have a place to post them....     anyone ?
[09:27] <anton__> I have a driver problem. Compiz-fusion won't work. I've tried installing nv-xconfig and all, but it ends with me having to edit xorg.conf through nano and change driver to "nv" instead of nvidia.
[09:28] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> !nvidia
[09:28] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:28] <anton__> What can I do?
[09:28] <anton__> yes, I know how...
[09:28] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> !nvidia | anton__
[09:28] <ubotu> anton__: please see above
[09:28] <anton__> but it won't function properly
[09:28] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> i have a ati card
[09:29] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> but no problems here
[09:29] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> i have an idea
[09:29] <anton__> Hm?
[09:29] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> do you have the nvidia restricted drivers enabled?
[09:30] <anton__> I don't know. How do I check?
[09:30] <lg188> hello back
[09:31] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> anton__: press K and go to system settings and go to advanced tab
[09:31] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> ant
[09:31] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> anton__: then press restricted drivers
[09:31] <anton__> I see.
[09:31] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> anton__: then press administration mode
[09:31] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> anton__: then enable it
[09:31] <lg188> hello evryone
[09:32] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> !hi | lg188
[09:32] <anton__> Now it's enabled
[09:32] <ubotu> lg188: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[09:32] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> anton__: now reboot and see if it worked
[09:32] <anton__> okok!
[09:32] <anton__> brb
[09:34]  * lg188 is tired of not sleeping enough
[09:34] <anton__> Ok, back.
[09:34] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> it work?
[09:35] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> !compiz | anton__
[09:35] <ubotu> anton__: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[09:35] <anton__> well, x started :P
[09:35] <anton__> yes I know...seen that message...been in that chat---
[09:35] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> ok just trying to help
[09:36] <anton__> yes, thanks man :)
[09:36] <anton__> it's just...when I install nv-xconfig, it doesnt work...
[09:36] <anton__> I'll try again, now that I have enabled restricted
[09:36] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> yeah
[09:36] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> restricted is the driver
[09:37] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> xconfig is the tweaker
[09:37] <anton__> E: Couldn't find package nv-xconfig
[09:37] <anton__> *sigh*
[09:37] <anton__> nv-xconfig
[09:37] <anton__> oops*
[09:37] <lg188> is 'sux' a command for root rights but how to end it 'sux' again ?
[09:38] <llutz> ctrl-d
[09:40] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> llutz: whats ctrl-d do?
[09:40] <llutz> end a shell
[09:40] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> oh
[09:43] <Agent_bob> ?    end a shell ?
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[09:45] <llutz> Agent_bob: "exits from shell" (shell-depending)
[09:45] <lg188> is 'sux' a command for root rights but how to end it 'sux' again ?
[09:45] <llutz> lg188: ctrl-d
[09:45] <lg188> ?
[09:46] <llutz> lg188: press ctrl-d or type exit
[09:46] <lg188> ahh
[09:46] <lg188> just closing the terminal kk ty^^
[09:46] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> !compiz
[09:46] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[09:52] <anton__> How to change title bar color in compiz-fusion?
[09:56] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> #compiz-fusion
[09:56] <E_mE> how do i get my Xgl to work properly under Kubuntu
[09:56] <E_mE> it doesn't work unless i use sudo startx
[09:58] <Agent_bob> E_mE that sounds like you have an xorg.conf in root's home
[09:58] <Agent_bob> or possably in your own.
[09:58] <E_mE> no i have xorg.conf in /etc/X11/
[09:58] <Agent_bob> E_mE startx will read the local config file rather than the global one.
[10:00] <DrUnKnMuNkY> hey everyone, i'm having problems with pidgin. it doesn't seem to want to stay open for more than 30 seconds or so. this problem seems to come and go. anyone have any suggestions?
[10:00] <eagles0513875> DrUnKnMuNkY: have u tried kopete
[10:00] <E_mE> Agent_bob: i dont have it my local anyhow...  i tried replacing X with Xgl in the xinit file
[10:00] <eagles0513875> can anyone tell me why i need to have a wma encoder to decode wma audio and reencode it into something else
[10:01] <E_mE> because i can't get it to work any other way
[10:01] <E_mE> Agent_bob: keep getting an error about moving logs in /var/log/
[10:01] <DrUnKnMuNkY> eagles: At one point it time a while back. I was more hoping for a quick fix to the problem but if it does persist I'll consider switching to another client
[10:01] <E_mE> Agent_bob: but when im using standard X it goes in fine
[10:01] <eagles0513875> DrUnKnMuNkY: u on gutsy
[10:02] <eagles0513875> DrUnKnMuNkY: and is it 32bit or 64bit version
[10:02] <DrUnKnMuNkY> eagles: yes
[10:02] <DrUnKnMuNkY> eagles: 32 bit
[10:02] <eagles0513875> DrUnKnMuNkY: let me download it and see if i get the same problem as u do
[10:02] <eagles0513875> if so then i would recommend filing a bugreport and ill back up ur report for the 64bit version as well
[10:03] <eagles0513875> DrUnKnMuNkY: give me a min
[10:03] <DrUnKnMuNkY> eagles: Thanks. the problem seems kind of random so I wouldn't be surprised if you're not able to reproduce the problem.
[10:06] <eagles0513875> DrUnKnMuNkY: if i cant then only thing i could say is use kopete and file a bug report
[10:06] <eagles0513875> DrUnKnMuNkY: jw u have upgraded all pkgs that need upgrading
[10:06] <Uffe555> Hey, I have some troubles with compiz-fusion...my titlebars disappeared..
[10:07] <Uffe555> what to do?
[10:07] <eagles0513875> !compiz
[10:07] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[10:07] <Arandel[at-work]> guys how do I install .deb package from bash?
[10:07] <eagles0513875> Uffe555: try the compiz channel
[10:07] <Uffe555> I'm there...
[10:07] <llutz> Arandel[at-work]: sudo dpkg -i package.deb
[10:07] <eagles0513875> DrUnKnMuNkY: what protocol r u having
[10:08] <eagles0513875> DrUnKnMuNkY: trouble wiht
[10:08] <DrUnKnMuNkY> eagles: everything's upgraded. well the whole program was closing. after 4 or 5 tries it seems to be staying open now. i'm using only MSN
[10:09] <eagles0513875> DrUnKnMuNkY: i would file a bug report though cuz there is a bug somewhere in the code. i would try and debug it and help ya with that but im still a novice programmer
[10:10] <DrUnKnMuNkY> eagles: as am i. it's also after 6am for me and i haven't been to sleep yet so there's no way i could be bothered tonight (this morning?) thanks for your help. if it keeps happening i'll look into it some more and file a report
[10:10] <eagles0513875> DrUnKnMuNkY: alright dude have a good night
[10:10] <eagles0513875> or morning
[10:10] <DrUnKnMuNkY> eagles: you too
[10:11] <Arandel[at-work]> hmm guys anybody used kicker-compiz? how do I activate it....
[10:12] <pabligeno> hola
[10:12] <pabligeno> what app i need for manage my cell  phone?
[10:12] <pabligeno> my cellphone is a samsung sgh e906
[10:13] <Uffe555> Anyone know how to change title bar color in compiz-fusion? The ppl in that channel are apparently too busy to answer
[10:20] <bobiras> hi to everyone
[10:21] <bobiras> could someone help me with a very litle problem cause i'm new to ubuntu plz?
[10:21] <emilsedgh> !ask | bobiras
[10:21] <ubotu> bobiras: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[10:22] <bobiras> ty :)
[10:23] <bobiras> i want to run a programm and the following messege appears. "Another aplication is using the packaging systme database (probably some apt-get application)..."
[10:23] <bobiras> but i cannot find which programm it is
[10:24] <[ifr0g]> !fix adept > bobiras
[10:25] <emilsedgh> !adeptfix | bobiras
[10:25] <ubotu> bobiras: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[10:25] <emilsedgh> oh, sorry [ifr0g]
[10:25] <[ifr0g]> its k..
[10:25] <pabligeno> hi
[10:25] <pabligeno> what app i need for manage my cell  phone?
[10:25] <pabligeno> my cellphone is a samsung sgh e906
[10:25] <emilsedgh> pabligeno: did you try kmobiletools?
[10:26] <pabligeno> no
[10:26] <pabligeno> wait
[10:26] <emilsedgh> so do :)
[10:26] <pabligeno> ok done
[10:26] <pabligeno> and now?
[10:26] <Arandel[at-work]> guys how do I replace my kicker with kicker-compiz?
[10:27] <emilsedgh> pabligeno: use it :P
[10:28] <pabligeno> how? :$
[10:29] <emilsedgh> pabligeno: open it! its an application, go to kmenu->run command, type kmobiletools and press enter!
[10:29] <lg188> sombody knows a 1person shote free ?
[10:29] <zgmf-x20a> question abt konversation here,  forget how i add channels so they automatically connect when i open konversation, how do i do that again????
[10:29] <lg188> shooter*
[10:29] <pabligeno> hey
[10:30] <pabligeno> this app
[10:30] <pabligeno> not is ffor samsung phones
[10:30] <emilsedgh> lg188: there are a few good games
[10:30] <E_mE> i got a problem, when i use KDM and put my username and password in.. it doesn't go to the desktop
[10:30] <emilsedgh> lg188: try AssualtCube
[10:30] <E_mE> it just freezes after KDM
[10:31] <bobiras> ty for you help
[10:31] <pabligeno> hi!
[10:31] <lg188> emilsedgh ty^^
[10:31] <emilsedgh> np
[10:32] <bobiras> sorry guys, can someone tell me witch is the best way to learn how to use ubuntu cuse i'm a noob? :)
[10:32] <lg188> is boson a good game ?
[10:32] <lg188> bobiras use it and u learn it
[10:33] <lg188> bobiras try some things
[10:33] <emilsedgh> bobiras: the best way is just tryig to use it
[10:34] <bobiras> just trying :)
[10:34] <zgmf-x20a> question abt konversation here,  forget how i add channels so they automatically connect when i open konversation, how do i do that again????
[10:34] <emilsedgh> lg188: i tried it, not too bad, but if you want strategy games try warzone and glob2
[10:34] <emilsedgh> lg188: warzone is like boson, but more complete
[10:34] <emilsedgh> lg188: but glob2 is a very very nice and creative game
[10:35] <emilsedgh> !repeat | zgmf-x20a
[10:35] <ubotu> zgmf-x20a: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com  http://wiki.ubuntu.com http://www.ubuntuforums.org or http://www.kubuntuforums.net while you wait. Also see !patience
[10:35] <bobiras> ty i'm truing to use it cause i'm boared of windows anymore
[10:35] <emilsedgh> bobiras: windows ? what is that? :P
[10:35] <E_mE> why doesn't my KDE start from KDM>!?!?!?!?!!?
[10:35] <zgmf-x20a> emilsedgh: im sure you your self even know the answer
[10:35] <bobiras> lol
[10:35] <emilsedgh> zgmf-x20a: no, i use kopete...
[10:36] <lg188> emilsedgh i will try theme
[10:36] <zgmf-x20a> really, kopete for irc!?  woah... thats pretty cool
[10:36] <zgmf-x20a> didnt know you could do that
[10:36] <emilsedgh> zgmf-x20a: im happy with kopete...and even i use it 'only' for irc
[10:37] <zgmf-x20a> lol thats aight.  i have to figure that out one day
[10:37] <goodhabit> Hello. How I can install support of mp3, etc? @ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats subscribed only ubuntu way. And about proprietary drivers. Where I can find under kubuntu manager of it?
[10:37] <bobiras> does anyone of you is using a external WD hard disk?
[10:37] <lg188> emilsedgh warzone ???vcant find it
[10:38] <lg188> can not*
[10:38] <emilsedgh> lg188: there is no package for it in ubuntu repositories, but it has package for ubuntu in its site
[10:38] <emilsedgh> goodhabit: Kubuntu Gutsy?
[10:38] <zgmf-x20a> goodhabit: open amarok, try to play an mp3 file, it will then prompt yu to install the drivers
[10:38] <goodhabit> emilsedgh: Yes, it is.
[10:38] <thomax_> hmm, something stange just happend to my touchpad on my laptop, looks like mouse acceleration suddenly doubled and the scroll function on the right doesnt work anymore
[10:38] <lg188> emilsedgh an url for me ?
[10:38] <thomax_> anyone any idea?
[10:39] <emilsedgh> goodhabit: when you try to play a mp3 file, it will ask you to install them i think
[10:39] <emilsedgh> lg188: http://wz2100.net/
[10:39] <lg188> emilsedgh ty^^
[10:40] <emilsedgh> np
[10:40] <poison--> mornin guys
[10:40] <poison--> !compiz
[10:40] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[10:41] <goodhabit> What is "kubuntu-restricted extras" package?
[10:41] <emilsedgh> goodhabit: includes multimedia codecs...(its a metapackage that points to some other packages that include multimedia codecs, iirc)
[10:42] <lg188> why opens a namles kate file if i ry to d/l a  file ?
[10:42] <emilsedgh> llutz: there are some games that everyone should try: Frozen-Bubble, Neverball and Glob2
[10:42] <ardchoille> lg188: I noticed that too when I tried to download an xmms skin file (.wsz)
[10:45] <bobiras> to add a programm from adept manager is always necessary the kubuntu cd?
[10:45] <thomax_> bobiras: no
[10:45] <lg188> ardchoille kk
[10:45] <emilsedgh> bobiras: no
[10:46] <jpatrick> bobiras: you can remove the cd from Adept -> Manage Thingys
[10:46] <bobiras> cause is asking always the cd to go on
[10:46] <pabligeno> hi
[10:46] <pabligeno> how i can see memory and cpu utilization?
[10:47] <Sereg> Ctrl + Esc
[10:47] <jpatrick> pabligeno: KMenu -> System -> KInfoCenter
[10:47] <pabligeno> kde vigilant is poor
[10:47] <newguyss> guys please help, I nned to su but cant, I think I changed my user settings and group, how to solve that
[10:47] <jpatrick> !sudo | newguyss
[10:47] <ubotu> newguyss: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[10:47] <emilsedgh> pabligeno: top ?
[10:47] <newguyss> yes, I cant run commands as root now
[10:48] <ardchoille> newguyss: sudo not working?
[10:48] <newguyss> ardchoille: yes
[10:48] <pabligeno> mmm
[10:48] <pabligeno> what is top?
[10:48] <pabligeno> i have installed compiz
[10:48] <E_mE> how can i fix my KDM so it actually goes to the desktop.. because at the moment it will let me login but wont let me get to the desktop.. it just freezes at post login....
[10:48] <Sereg> Hello, guys, I would like to start helping kubuntu with my programming skill, but don't know how :(
[10:49] <pabligeno> and unknown the memory utilization
[10:49] <jpatrick> Sereg: follow me to #kubuntu-devel
[10:49] <Sereg> ok
[10:49] <ardchoille> pabligeno:  top - display Linux tasks
[10:49] <bobiras> jpatrick: ty
[10:49] <emilsedgh> Sereg: if you know qt/kde programming, then #lubuntu-devel is a right place for you, also #kde-devel and #kde4-devel need your help
[10:49] <jpatrick> bobiras: you're welcome, sir
[10:50] <pabligeno> Mem:   1547508k total,  1479228k used,    68280k free,   344984k buffers <-- HOWWOWOOW
[10:50] <pabligeno> :(
[10:50] <newguyss> any help?
[10:50] <pabligeno> the utilization memory is very hight
[10:51] <jpatrick> newguyss: what's wrong with sudo?
[10:51] <webvictim> pabligeno: that's because it's cached
[10:51] <webvictim> pabligeno: type free -m
[10:51] <pabligeno> ok
[10:51] <newguyss> jpatrick: not working, I think I restricted my user while testing something
[10:51] <webvictim> and you'll see the true figures
[10:51] <pabligeno> root@Kubuntu:/home/pabligeno# free -m
[10:51] <pabligeno>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[10:51] <pabligeno> Mem:          1511       1446         65          0        337
[10:52] <jpatrick> newguyss: the user should be part of "sudo"
[10:52] <pabligeno> i have 1.5 gb of memory
[10:52] <webvictim> odd
[10:52] <webvictim>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[10:52] <webvictim> Mem:          1001        945         55          0        143        552
[10:52] <webvictim> that's what mine says
[10:52] <pabligeno> and compiz used 1.4?
[10:52] <pabligeno> ::S
[10:52] <webvictim> pabligeno: what about the line below?
[10:52] <webvictim> -/+ buffers/cache:        249        751
[10:52] <pabligeno> feee -m
[10:52] <pabligeno> mmmmmm
[10:52] <webvictim> that means that 249mb of my RAM is actual stuff, and 751mb is cache
[10:52] <newguyss> jpatrick: i think that my user is not part of sudo any more, how to fix that?
[10:52] <pabligeno> my english is poor
[10:52] <pabligeno> :$
[10:52] <lg188> kq ?
[10:52] <pabligeno> im dont undestand
[10:52] <pabligeno> :$
[10:53] <jpatrick> newguyss: do you the install cd?
[10:53] <lg188> !kq
[10:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kq - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:53] <pabligeno> any spanish help¡?
[10:53] <webvictim> yo hablo solo un poco espanol :P
[10:53] <pabligeno> :D
[10:53] <newguyss> jpatrick: yes I have it
[10:53] <pabligeno> me puedes decir que significa eso?
[10:53] <pabligeno> compiz usa casi toda mi memoria ram
[10:53] <emilsedgh> !es | pabligeno
[10:53] <ubotu> pabligeno: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[10:53] <webvictim> (we're not supposed to talk spanish here :P)
[10:54] <nathan_> hey dudes im new to kubuntu
[10:54] <pabligeno> jaja
[10:54] <pabligeno> ok ok
[10:54] <pabligeno> well
[10:54] <emilsedgh> !hi | nathan_
[10:54] <ubotu> nathan_: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[10:54] <nathan_> im currently on 640x res, it's killing me hehe
[10:54] <webvictim> but compiz is not using all your RAM :)
[10:54] <jpatrick> newguyss: well, I think you'll have to go into it and chroot your disk and fix it from there
[10:54] <webvictim> it is just a feature of linux
[10:55] <eagles0513875> what does this mean
[10:55] <eagles0513875> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X libraries. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[10:55] <eagles0513875> im trying to install transkode from source
[10:55] <emilsedgh> eagles0513875: install xlibs-dev
[10:55] <nathan_> i must say this is an awesome platform, everything is great, auto detected my nic,audio, just need to install vid card drivers ;)
[10:55] <eagles0513875> emilsedgh: ty
[10:55] <emilsedgh> eagles0513875: then you need kdelis-bdevel too
[10:56] <goodhabit> Guys, sorry for offtopic, last question - somebody can advice some mmorpg? ^)
[10:56] <emilsedgh> eagles0513875: kdelibs-devel
[10:56]  * goodhabit loves kubuntu.
[10:56] <eagles0513875> emilsedgh: can those be found in gutsy repos
[10:56] <lg188> kq do not enter config it screws your screen
[10:56] <emilsedgh> eagles0513875: yes, sure
[10:57] <eagles0513875> emilsedgh: didnt find the xlibs-dev in repos
[10:57] <emilsedgh> so 1 minute please, eagles0513875
[10:57] <eagles0513875> emilsedgh: ok
[10:57] <nathan_> brb
[10:58] <emilsedgh> eagles0513875: thats xorg-dev
[10:59] <eagles0513875> also kdelibs-devel i couldnt find either
[10:59] <eagles0513875> emilsedgh: also kdelibs-devel i couldnt find either
[10:59] <emilsedgh> eagles0513875: thats kdelibs4-devel or kdelibs4c2a or something like this, search in adept
[11:00] <eagles0513875> emilsedgh: ok give me a min to finish installing xorg-dev
[11:02] <eagles0513875> emilsedgh: ty its working now
[11:03] <eagles0513875> emilsedgh: checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.2 and < 4.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[11:03] <jpatrick> eagles0513875: install libqt3-mt-dev
[11:04] <eagles0513875> jpatrick: ok
[11:05] <eagles0513875> jpatrick: i already have it installed
[11:05] <jpatrick> ok, that's just weird
[11:05] <jpatrick> eagles0513875: what app is it?
[11:06] <eagles0513875> transkode
[11:06] <eagles0513875> jpatrick: i already have its dependency installed
[11:06] <bobiras_> sorry guys, do i need any spyware for linux or it's useless?
[11:07] <jpatrick> bobiras_: useless, welcome to the land of the free
[11:07] <bobiras_> :)
[11:07] <bobiras_> better
[11:07] <ardchoille> bobiras_: No, you definately don't need spyware for Linux
[11:07] <eagles0513875> jpatrick: i fixed it
[11:07] <bobiras_> finaly a serious OS
[11:07] <eagles0513875> had to download compat headers for previous versions
[11:07] <eagles0513875> bobiras_: and if u got a 64bit processor try out the 64bit version of kubuntu
[11:07] <jpatrick> eagles0513875: hmm, I'll package it for hardy
[11:08] <eagles0513875> jpatrick: what u mean
[11:08] <eagles0513875> ohhhh ok kool
[11:08] <bobiras_> dunno if the centrino duo is a 64bit processor
[11:08] <jpatrick> eagles0513875: in fact, I'll start to work on it now
[11:08] <bobiras_> how i can check it?
[11:08] <eagles0513875> jpatrick: reason im having to install it is im having an issue with soundkonverter and wma for some reason when i try to reencode my wma audio files it only spit out a 0b flac file
[11:08] <eagles0513875> i have the w64codecs
[11:09] <eagles0513875> have flac lame ffmpeg u name it i got it
[11:09] <eagles0513875> jpatrick: didnt have this problem in the 64bit version of feisty until recently
[11:09] <jpatrick> eagles0513875: but I'll put it in universe so that you don't have to compile it :)
[11:09] <eagles0513875> jpatrick: i have a link for ya
[11:09] <eagles0513875> jpatrick:  http://www.forwardyouth.com/ubuntu/
[11:10] <eagles0513875> thats how i found out about it
[11:10] <eagles0513875> do u have any idea about my soundconverter
[11:10] <sponix> anyone in here using Rosewill RC-208 Hard Drive Controller Cards? I just need to know roughly what transfer speeds they get
[11:10] <eagles0513875> issue
[11:10] <nathan_> hey guys how do i go about installing vid card drivers, cd is in cd drive, it has linux drivers on it.. so yah
[11:10] <eagles0513875> !video cards
[11:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about video cards - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:10] <eagles0513875> nathan_: what kinda card is it
[11:10] <jpatrick> eagles0513875: nop, soundkonvertors worked fine for me
[11:10] <nathan_> 8600gt 256mb asus
[11:11] <eagles0513875> jpatrick: then what could be my problem
[11:11] <jpatrick> no idea
[11:11] <eagles0513875> nathan_: there is a cli command u have to run not sure what it is
[11:11] <nathan_> kk
[11:11] <eagles0513875> jpatrick: this issue is wanting me to go back to windows just to convert my music but i have everything the way i like it on here and i dont wanna go back to 32bit lol
[11:12] <eagles0513875> jpatrick: actually do mine teaching me how to pkg a compiled dependency and the compiled source code
[11:12] <jpatrick> eagles0513875: I didn't understand the last thing
[11:13] <eagles0513875> u know u said u would pkg it so i wouldnt have to compile from source could u teach me how to do that
[11:13] <jpatrick> eagles0513875: well.. reading the pkging guide would be a start: https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html
[11:14] <eagles0513875> :)
[11:14] <eagles0513875> jpatrick: what programming language are alot of the pkgs written in
[11:15] <jpatrick> eagles0513875: none, it's done by the dpkg thing
[11:15] <eagles0513875> jpatrick: cuz if im goign to have to maintain it then we could have a problem there cuz im still a noob in the programming world. im learning java for starters
[11:16] <ardchoille> eagles0513875: You want to convert music? From cd to mp3?
[11:16] <eagles0513875> no
[11:16] <eagles0513875> i have them on an external hard drive and i would copy them over
[11:16] <eagles0513875> converting from wma to flac
[11:16] <ardchoille> ok
[11:17] <goodhabit> How I can install nvidia driver?
[11:17] <nathan_> in the 'restricted drivers' window, i select 'enable driver' but it says.. "the software source for this package: nvidia-glx-new" is not enabled... any idea?
[11:17] <eagles0513875> time to try out transkode
[11:17] <eagles0513875> brb
[11:17] <ardchoille> !nvidia
[11:17] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:17] <eagles0513875> jpatrick: do u mind pkgs it and it would be rather kool to have in the gutsy repos too
[11:17] <nathan_> I been through the ubuntu instructions which told me to enable it through restricted drivers section
[11:18] <goodhabit> ardchoille: I tryied that, but it is not working (
[11:18] <jpatrick> eagles0513875: It'd only make it to backports, gutsy is frozen
[11:18] <eagles0513875> jpatrick: what u mean
[11:18] <jpatrick> eagles0513875: but I will get it into hardy
[11:18] <eagles0513875> jpatrick: :)
[11:18] <Webbmaster> i have a black theme and firefox and konqueror mess up certain text boxes
[11:18] <ardchoille> goodhabit: Which card do youhave?
[11:18] <eagles0513875> nathan_: did u do a fully upgrade or clean install cuz that dialogue box comes up when u first login
[11:18] <Webbmaster> ie i have black text on black
[11:18] <Webbmaster> any ideas?
[11:18] <goodhabit> ardchoille: nvidia card.
[11:19] <ardchoille> eagles I can get wma converted to mp3 and wav.. does that help?
[11:19] <giovanni_> Vorrei passare a gutsy ma non riesco ad aggiornare da CD come faccio?
[11:19] <nathan_> yeah it is a clean install, first time
[11:19] <ardchoille> goodhabit: I know that, but what is the model?
[11:19] <nathan_> with all the current updates
[11:19] <goodhabit> ardchoille: nvidia 6600. problem is - when i open manager drivers, i see the message - proprietary driver manager cannot be loaded.
[11:20] <eagles0513875> jpatrick: i still have alot of stuff to learn about how stuff works
[11:20] <ardchoille> eagles0513875: Seen this? http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Transforme-me?content=66944
[11:20] <jpatrick> eagles0513875: we're all learning
[11:20] <eagles0513875> :)
[11:21] <eagles0513875> this is a random question i dont know if u guys would be able to answer it but u guys think a fully java based os would be vry practical
[11:21] <ardchoille> goodhabit: Have you installed nvidia-glx?
[11:21] <Webbmaster> eagles0513875: probably not, java is too high level
[11:22] <eagles0513875> Webbmaster: what do u mean
[11:22] <gundam_rx78nt1> good morning.
[11:22] <eagles0513875> it cant decode the file
[11:22] <eagles0513875> im goign to have to setup a windows vm
[11:22] <gundam_rx78nt1> I have a very unique problem (so far that I can tell).
[11:22] <eagles0513875> jpatrick: is virtual box in the repos
[11:23] <Webbmaster> eagles0513875: well java is interpreted, so probably would be too slow
[11:23] <eagles0513875> even if its the only os on the system
[11:23] <gundam_rx78nt1> I upgraded to 7.10 and have the ATI fglrx drivers installed. In 7.04 I can change the resolution to 1280x1024. I can't get that in 7.10
[11:23] <gundam_rx78nt1> The max resolution I get is 1024x768
[11:23] <Webbmaster> eagles0513875: yeah, that would make no difference
[11:24] <eagles0513875> Webbmaster: what would it take to improve performance
[11:24] <Webbmaster> eagles0513875: it could actually be practical if you had one of those on chip decoders
[11:24] <gundam_rx78nt1> I deleted the xorg.conf file to start anew, but when I rebooted my pc, it came up into kde with a resolution of 1280x1024. What is going on?
[11:24] <Webbmaster> anyone have an answer to my question?
[11:24] <eagles0513875> Webbmaster: whats ur ?
[11:25] <lg188> when closing the KQ games creen ou have a wierd screen with only a piec of  the whole screen
[11:26] <gundam_rx78nt1> eagles0513875, isn't google trying to make a completely Java based OS?
[11:26] <Webbmaster> eagles0513875: i wanna know how to fix black text on black in text boxes for certain websites
[11:26] <Webbmaster> maybe ffx extension?
[11:27] <ardchoille> Why does Konqueror try to open a file in Kate when I try to download a file? And how do I fix it?
[11:27] <eagles0513875> gundam_rx78nt1: dunno
[11:28] <gundam_rx78nt1> ardchoille, is it every file you try to download or just certain types?
[11:28] <eagles0513875> Webbmaster: i dunno dude i havent had that happen to me
[11:28] <nathan_> in adaept manager.. i search for "nvidia-glx" - how come it does not show up ?
[11:28] <eagles0513875> nathan_: just try nvidia
[11:28] <ardchoille> gundam_rx78nt1: Just certain types. like an xmms skin
[11:28] <Webbmaster> eagles0513875: i have a black theme, which is why
[11:28] <eagles0513875> Webbmaster: there should be a way to mod the theme and change the txt color
[11:29] <nathan_> yeah i've done that, the only thing nvidia that isn't installed is 'nvidia-xconfig'
[11:29] <ardchoille> nathan_: That's because it is included in the current and new drivers
[11:29] <Webbmaster> eagles0513875: it works for most sites, its just some that don't
[11:29] <gundam_rx78nt1> ardchoille, check your file associations and make sure that kate is not the default application to open that type of files.
[11:29] <ardchoille> gundam_rx78nt1: That file type isn't in file associations
[11:30] <eagles0513875> gundam_rx78nt1: i think this is what ur referring to http://blog.taragana.com/index.php/archive/specific-rumors-on-java-os-based-google-phone-running-on-linux/
[11:30] <nathan_> ok well i still dunna wtf to do
[11:30] <ardchoille> nathan_: Trying to install the nvidia driver?
[11:31] <nathan_> yeah i dunno what to type in terminal to install the linux drivers that are on my video card cd? :/
[11:31] <ardchoille> nathan_: Which card?
[11:31] <nathan_> asus 8600gt 256mb
[11:31] <grul> aren't there any readme files?
[11:31] <lg188> first pers shooters ?
[11:31] <nathan_> i can't view my cd content
[11:31] <gundam_rx78nt1> what is the extension for xmms skins?
[11:32] <ardchoille> gundam_rx78nt1: They are normally in .tar.gz packages, but some are in .wsx files. Regardless, konqueror should download them
[11:33] <eagles0513875> down with microsoft
[11:33] <eagles0513875> down with microsoft and ther drm
[11:34] <ardchoille> eagles0513875: That is ot an option, I won't allow a garbage OS in my house :P
[11:34] <eagles0513875> ardchoille: lol im never goign back to it i need to get WoW setup on here
[11:34] <ardchoille> gundam_rx78nt1:  This one:  http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Winamp3-4-2-4-XMMS?content=23828
[11:34] <eagles0513875> ardchoille: after both my wifi and wired connectiosn crapped out on me last friday i can never go back
[11:35] <Webbmaster> btw, anyone here use the bbc website?
[11:35] <Webbmaster> http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/linuxbbc/ <- tell them
[11:36] <eagles0513875> i think my problems r solved
[11:36] <eagles0513875> i installed the program that i used in winblows to convert the audio to wma and now im going to try convert them to flac
[11:36] <jpatrick> eagles0513875: what -dev packages did you have to install for this?
[11:36] <eagles0513875> jpatrick: the ones u mentioned
[11:36] <jpatrick> and that's it?
[11:36] <jpatrick> ok
[11:36] <eagles0513875> ya
[11:36] <eagles0513875> jpatrick: there is also one dependency
[11:36] <eagles0513875> jpatrick: which has to be compiled from source as well
[11:37] <jpatrick> which?
[11:37] <gundam_rx78nt1> Ok, back to my problem.  I deleted the xorg.conf file, but my system still comes up in KDE at a resolution of 1280x1024 which is great. If I then make/save the xorg.conf file, the highest resolution I get it 1024x768.  What is going on with this?
[11:37] <jpatrick> eagles0513875: taglib? you can install libtag1-dev
[11:37] <eagles0513875> jpatrick: taglibg i downloaded 0.6 they have 0.7 beta out
[11:37] <eagles0513875> jpatrick: didnt know that they were one in the same
[11:37] <eagles0513875> time for the moment of conversion truth
[11:37] <gundam_rx78nt1> ardchoille, use firefox.   I know it is not the answer you want, but you can also right click on the download link and save it that way.
[11:38] <gundam_rx78nt1> In konqueror.
[11:38] <ardchoille> gundam_rx78nt1: Right clicking on that download link saves the download.php file, not the skin
[11:38] <lg188> someone knows a 1persen shooter
[11:39] <eagles0513875> !games |lg188
[11:39] <ubotu> lg188: Information about games on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[11:39] <eagles0513875> lg188: take a look at that list
[11:40] <lg188> eagles0513875 ty ^.^
[11:41] <gundam_rx78nt1> ardchoille, you just rename the file before you save it to <filename>.wsz and it will save it.
[11:41] <gundam_rx78nt1> I  just finished trying it.
[11:41] <ardchoille> gundam_rx78nt1: And how do I know which extension to give it?
[11:41] <eagles0513875> damn it it seems that when i converted them to wmas it also drmed all my music
[11:41] <eagles0513875> any one know of anything that will remove the drm
[11:42] <eagles0513875> !drm
[11:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about drm - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:43] <eagles0513875> jpatrick: this would be nice to have in repos as well
[11:43] <eagles0513875> http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=130055
[11:44] <gundam_rx78nt1> if it is a .tar.gz it will download correctly, if it is a wsz, you will need to rename it. Now, if it open up in kate, the title bar will have the file name and extension.
[11:44] <lg188> tremulous ? i cant instal it
[11:44] <goodhabit> I cannot start my nvidia card. The error is - cannot load nvidia kernel modules.
[11:45] <gundam_rx78nt1> then just right click on it and save it with the name and extension from the kate title bar that you saw.
[11:45] <eagles0513875> lg188: u should be able to i had no problems i have it and it works fine
[11:45] <gundam_rx78nt1> I would suggest to use firefox.
[11:45] <lg188> eagles0513875 somthing of independit
[11:45] <ardchoille> gundam_rx78nt1: That is my point, it shoudln't open in kate, it should download the file.
[11:45] <jpatrick> eagles0513875: it's 1) closed-source 2) not KDE :)
[11:45] <lg188> eagles0513875 i did it with konsole
[11:45] <eagles0513875> jpatrick: just noticed that
[11:45] <eagles0513875> lg188: i dunno then
[11:46] <lg188> eagles0513875 ?
[11:46] <lg188> eagles0513875 dunno ?
[11:46] <lg188> eagles0513875 undo ?
[11:46] <eagles0513875> lg188: i dunno why its not working for ya
[11:47] <lg188> Resolving dependencies...
[11:47] <gundam_rx78nt1> it all depends on how konqueror detects the link and file content if I am not mistaken.  It will try to open it as text. You can try to go to #konqueror and ask the developers if they are online.
[11:47] <lg188> dependencies can not be resolvd
[11:47] <eagles0513875> lg188: does it give u a list of dependencies to download
[11:48] <eagles0513875> lg188: its easier to do the cli
[11:48] <ardchoille> gundam_rx78nt1: Ok, thanks
[11:48] <eagles0513875> lg188: type this in konsole sudo apt-get install tremulous
[11:48] <gundam_rx78nt1> you're welcome.
[11:49] <gundam_rx78nt1> Ok, back to my problem.  I deleted the xorg.conf file, but my system still comes up in KDE at a resolution of 1280x1024 which is great. If I then make/save the xorg.conf file, the highest resolution I get it 1024x768.  What is going on with this?
[11:49] <lg188> eagles0513875 its says : tremulous-data is missing cant instal
[11:49] <emilsedgh> gundam_rx78nt1: did you try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[11:49] <eagles0513875> lg188: hold on
[11:49] <gundam_rx78nt1> let me try that...
[11:50] <lg188> eagles0513875 kk
[11:50] <eagles0513875> lg188: did u already try installing this
[11:51] <nathan_> synaptic in kubuntu? if so, how do load it
[11:51] <lg188> eagles0513875 a did bit it was with : sudo aptitude install tremulous
[11:51] <eagles0513875> try that again
[11:51] <dfaure> why do both slocate and find.notslocate run updatedb? (those are two cron jobs)
[11:52]  * dfaure is a bit confused by the "package foo diverts others to..." mechanism
[11:52] <lg188> somthing of virtaul package
[11:53] <TRSSpy> hi
[11:53] <lg188> eagles0513875 its a virual package
[11:53] <lg188> and dependencies...
[11:54] <eagles0513875> lg188: ?
[11:54] <lg188> eagles0513875 somthinf of dependencies...
[11:54] <lg188> eagles0513875 somthing of dependencies...*
[11:55] <lg188> eagles0513875 resolving failed
[11:55]  * lg188 brb
[11:55] <nathan_> hey guys for some reason it won't let me install wine.. from adept manager, says not installed.. i click 'request install' but can't commit changes??
[11:55] <eagles0513875> nathan_: try it from the cli
[11:55] <eagles0513875> nathan_: sudo apt-get install wine
[11:55] <eagles0513875> lg188: i honestly dont know whats wrong dude
[11:56] <nathan_> can't access it through system>advanced>windows application either
[11:56] <nathan_> can you elaborate on cli please, sorry im such a newb
[11:56] <lg188> eagles0513875 kk btw ty^.^
[11:56] <eagles0513875> nathan_: do u know what the command line is
[11:56] <eagles0513875> lg188: im sry dude it works for me and is quite a sweet game have yet to try it online
[11:56] <nathan_> the terminal ?
[11:56] <eagles0513875> nathan_: ya
[11:57] <nathan_> yeah
[11:57] <eagles0513875> open that up and type sudo apt-get install wine
[11:57] <eagles0513875> nathan_: r u using kubuntu or ubuntu
[11:57] <nathan_> kubuntu
[11:57] <eagles0513875> then type what i have above
[11:57] <lg188> eagles0513875 : i m bussy with downloading in manual
[11:57] <nico> ciao
[11:57] <nathan_> it says: E: Broken packages
[11:58] <eagles0513875> lg188: ? what u mean
[11:58] <lg188> eagles0513875 it*
[11:58] <eagles0513875> !aptfix | nathan_
[11:58] <ubotu> nathan_: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[11:58] <lg188> eagles0513875 downlaodingf from the site
[11:58] <eagles0513875> lg188: worth a shot
[11:58] <lg188> :)
[11:58] <lg188> no at 88%
[11:59] <lg188> now*
[12:00] <nathan_> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[12:00] <nathan_> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[12:00] <emilsedgh> !adeptfix | nathan_
[12:00] <ubotu> nathan_: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[12:00] <nathan_> whoops
[12:00] <lg188> its a run file ? just run it with ark
[12:01] <lg188> or konquer
[12:01] <trssam> how can I install firefox or opera? in Add/remove programs I've typed firefox and it's show gray
[12:02] <Gre4ka> Люди... Я приветсвую Вас!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:02] <lg188> sudo aptidude install firefox
[12:02] <dfaure> does everyone have /etc/cron.daily/find.notslocate + /etc/cron.weekly/slocate?
[12:02] <lg188> !ru | Gre4ka
[12:02] <ubotu> Gre4ka: Пожалуйста войдите в #ubuntu-ru для помощи на русском языке  /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[12:02] <eagles0513875> !gk | Gre4ka
[12:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gk - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:02] <nathan_> emilsedgh: so do i type exactly this in the terminal: !adeptfix
[12:02] <eagles0513875> !gr | Gre4ka
[12:02] <ubotu> Gre4ka: #ubuntu-gr και #kubuntu-gr για Έλληνες χρηστές  /  #ubuntu-gr kai #kubuntu-gr gia Ellhnes xrhstes
[12:02] <Serega> Gre4ka: In English.
[12:02] <emilsedgh> no!
[12:02] <eagles0513875> he wants the greek channel
[12:03] <Serega> Gre4ka: tut russkiy ne ponimayut
[12:03] <webvictim> that isn't greek
[12:03] <Serega> it is russian
[12:03] <Serega> I'm understanding
[12:03] <lg188> !ru | Gre4ka
[12:03] <ubotu> Gre4ka: Пожалуйста войдите в #ubuntu-ru для помощи на русском языке  /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[12:03] <eagles0513875> whats the difference between the 2 the spelling looks quite alike
[12:03] <emilsedgh> nathan_: when someone says !something, ubotu loks for something in its database...its a bot
[12:03] <dfaure> eagles0513875: yeah right :)
[12:03] <emilsedgh> !adeptfix | nathan_
[12:03] <ubotu> nathan_: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[12:03] <nathan_> ohh
[12:04] <emilsedgh> nathan_: now ubotu tells you what to do:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[12:04] <trssam> lg188: I have error: 'No candidate version found for firefox'
[12:04] <lg188> eagles0513875 nope
[12:04] <lg188> sudo aptidude search firefox
[12:05] <lg188> sudo aptidude search firefox \trssam
[12:05] <kaod> hello
[12:05] <eagles0513875> lg188: do sudo apt-get install firefox
[12:05] <bobiras__> is there a general site that i can download linux drivers for some devices i want to install?
[12:05] <lg188> eagles0513875 i have firfof
[12:05] <kaod> sine I upgraded to gutsy I can't mount my ntfs partitions with ntfs-3g, I get a ''resource in use" error
[12:05] <kaod> any way to fix it ?
[12:06] <lg188> eagles0513875 firfox*
[12:06] <lg188> eagles0513875 firefox**
[12:06] <eagles0513875> oh
[12:06] <eagles0513875> bbl im goign to grab lunxh
[12:08] <bobiras__> is there anyway to install an external western digital hard disk?
[12:08] <nathan_> when i paste in the adeptfix in terminal, it's blank (with <finished>) at top of terminal window, is it suppose to show anything?
[12:10] <lg188> eagles0513875  the downmload i is just a kate file i can not use it as a programme
[12:10] <eagles0513875> oh
[12:10] <eagles0513875> brb need to restart my x
[12:10] <eagles0513875> restart my computer
[12:11] <nathan_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[12:11] <nathan_>   wine: Depends: ia32-libs (>= 1.6) but it is not going to be installed
[12:11] <nathan_>         Depends: lib32asound2 (> 1.0.14) but it is not installable
[12:11] <nathan_>         Depends: libc6-i386 (>= 2.6-1) but it is not installable
[12:11] <nathan_> E: Broken packages
[12:11] <ardchoille> !paste | nathan_
[12:11] <ubotu> nathan_: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[12:13] <nathan_> ok here is the entire terminal content: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/43011/
[12:15] <ardchoille> nathan_: That's not your fault, I can't find those deps anywhere in the repos. Sounds like broken deps handling in the repos
[12:15] <ardchoille> nathan_: I think the most you can do is file a bug
[12:17] <nathan_> !nvidia
[12:17] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:24] <Captain_Redbeard> Any news regarding kde4 beta4 ever being in the repos? :P
[12:25] <michal_> mam prosbe...
[12:25] <michal_> pomoze ktos mi ..??
[12:26] <nathan_> !wine
[12:26] <ubotu> WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information, and see !AppDB for application compatibility.
[12:27] <lg188> is silkroad also on linux avaiabel ?
[12:27] <lg188> or is ther a patch for ?
[12:31] <kaod> sine I upgraded to gutsy I can't mount my ntfs partitions with ntfs-3g, I get a ''resource in use" error... is this my fault ? I tried uninstalling and reinstalling ntfs-3g but nothing changes
[12:32] <lg188> what is the url of this channel ?
[12:33] <nathan_> how do i force close an application (adept manger) is not responding ffs
[12:33] <arash_> nathan_ start ksysguard and kill the process
[12:35] <Jucato> nathan_: Ctrl+Alt+Esc will turn your mouse into a skull... click on any program and it will kill it
[12:35] <nathan_> brb
[12:35] <arash_> Jucato - Wow! , had no idea
[12:36] <ardchoille> sudo kill $(pidof adept_manager)  ?
[12:36] <lg188> Jucato hehe cool
[12:36] <Jucato> :)
[12:37] <ardchoille> Sometimes when you kill a gui, it can still be running in the bg
[12:38] <Captain_Redbeard> so no news on kde4 beta4?
[12:39] <ardchoille> Captain_Redbeard: Doubt it will be in the Gutsy repos
[12:39] <ardchoille> Usually, the only thing that gets added to the repos after a release are bug fixes and security updates
[12:40] <Captain_Redbeard> ardchoille, due to?
[12:40] <Captain_Redbeard> ardchoille, the rest of the betas which has been totally useless has been released to the repos
[12:42] <TheWozA> hey guys im having trouble with my kubuntu install im trying to install firefox but after i type su and it asks for my password it says authentication fail even tho i type my pass right
[12:42] <ardchoille> Captain_Redbeard: So kde4 beta 1, kde4 beta2, kde4 beta3 were all in the repos?
[12:42] <ardchoille> !sudo | TheWozA
[12:42] <ubotu> TheWozA: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[12:42] <Captain_Redbeard> ardchoille, yup
[12:43] <ardchoille> TheWozA: sudo apt-get install firefox
[12:43] <ardchoille> Captain_Redbeard: That's highly unusual
[12:43] <emilsedgh> thats mozilla-firefox i think?
[12:43] <Captain_Redbeard> ardchoille, beta1 was even available for both feisty and gutsy :P
[12:44] <ardchoille> emilsedgh: No, it's just "firefox"
[12:44] <TheWozA> thx arch
[12:44] <Captain_Redbeard> ardchoille, I guess I could add the debian repos to lay my hands on it... but it would be nice not having to do that :P
[12:44] <ardchoille> emilsedgh: apt-cache search --names-only firefox
[12:44] <ardchoille> TheWozA: yw
[12:44] <emilsedgh> so, sorry for that ardchoille
[12:44] <ardchoille> Captain_Redbeard: Adding repos for other distros is not a good idea
[12:45] <Captain_Redbeard> ardchoille, that's what I'm saying :P However when it comes to KDE4 the packages install to be able to live alongside kde3 so it shouldn't really pose a problem
[12:45] <ardchoille> emilsedgh: There are some nice firefox extensions with the name mozilla-firefox-*
[12:46] <emilsedgh> ardchoille: i use konqueror :D
[12:46] <ardchoille> emilsedgh: me too
[12:46] <emilsedgh> ardchoille: poor firefox :P
[12:46] <Jucato> Captain_Redbeard: perhaps today or tomorrow (for kde4 beta4
[12:47] <max__> buon giorno
[12:47] <ardchoille> I keep hearing people say kde4 isn't usable atm. How true is that?
[12:47] <dfaure> can anyone check if they have both /etc/cron.daily/find.notslocate + /etc/cron.weekly/slocate on their system? or is it just me due to upgrade issues?
[12:48] <Captain_Redbeard> Jucato, ok... I'm just baffled due to the other betas being released within hours of the official announcment
[12:48] <emilsedgh> ardchoille: not much true
[12:48] <emilsedgh> ardchoille: most of the applications are in a very good, usable and stable shape
[12:48] <ardchoille> dfaure: I have the first one, not the second one (Gutsy Gibbon here installed from livecd)
[12:48] <ardchoille> emilsedgh: Ah, ok
[12:48] <lg188> wat is the url of this channnel ?
[12:48] <ardchoille> it is #kubuntu
[12:48] <dfaure> lg188: channels have names, not urls :)
[12:48] <emilsedgh> ardchoille: plasma needs some work, oxygen style has some issues too
[12:49] <Captain_Redbeard> ardchoille, well the previous betas hasn't really been worth mentioning.. they have more alpha-like imo, however the word is that beta4 is a huge improvement
[12:49] <ardchoille> emilsedgh: is plasma similar to superkaramba?
[12:49] <emilsedgh> ardchoille: but will be done in time
[12:49] <Jucato> Captain_Redbeard: Riddel is busy at UDS, other people who know the kde4 packages enough are also busy. the build system is a bit tied up due to merging from Debian Sid (taking snapshots)
[12:49] <Jucato> ardchoille: I haven't updated mine to to beta4 so I can't really say
[12:49] <emilsedgh> ardchoille: nooo
[12:49] <lg188> wat is the url to this channnel ?
[12:49] <Jucato> whoa! dfaure's in here? O.o
[12:49]  * Jucato is shocked
[12:50] <dfaure> Jucato: yeah, just trying to sort out why updatedb is run twice by cron :)
[12:50] <ardchoille> lg188: your question has been answered more than once
[12:50] <emilsedgh> ardchoille: Plasma is mix of superkaramba, panel and desktop, very better
[12:50] <ardchoille> emilsedgh: Oh, nice
[12:50] <Jucato> :/
[12:50]  * lg188 helps Jucato out his shock
[12:50]  * Jucato is still shocked
[12:50] <emilsedgh> ardchoille: but there is no code from them
[12:51]  * emilsedgh joins Jucato, shocked
[12:51] <Captain_Redbeard> emilsedgh, that's a bit unfair.. it's completly rewritten and has little in common with superkaramba other than its support for its widgets... I would rather label it as an element motor with widget capabilities...
[12:51]  * lg188 helps Jucato out his shock with tose things with eectro thing
[12:51]  * lg188 helps emilsedgh out his shock with tose things with eectro thing
[12:52] <ardchoille> So plasma will be able to use superkaramba widgets/themes?
[12:52] <Captain_Redbeard> ardchoille, yes as well as macosx widgets
[12:52] <ardchoille> o.O
[12:52] <ardchoille> Wow
[12:52] <lg188> ardchoille ??
[12:52] <Captain_Redbeard> ardchoille, it's also the engine behind the desktop and the panel...
[12:53] <lg188> ardchoille wat is it then i dint see it
[12:53] <ardchoille> Captain_Redbeard: I usually have so many windows open that I never see my desktop
[12:53] <Captain_Redbeard> ardchoille, thus the whole desktop layout and architecture will be very flexible....
 lg188: channels have names, not urls :)
[12:53] <emilsedgh> Captain_Redbeard: but they have the idea of 'widgets', and plasma is superkaramba + panel + desktop...
[12:54] <Captain_Redbeard> ardchoille, I sign on that ;) But apparently you are going to be able to put the desktop "on top" of your ordinary windows... so you can have a glance at it without having to minimize all your windows
[12:55] <ardchoille> Captain_Redbeard: orly? That should be nice to see
[12:55] <Captain_Redbeard> emilsedgh, no... it may have the functionality of those elements... but it has nothing to do with them as applications :P
[12:55] <poison--> !backup
[12:55] <ubotu> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[12:55] <Captain_Redbeard> ardchoille, yea :) furthermore it is native composite enabled... so "compiz-like" effects and plugins will also be usable
[12:55] <emilsedgh> Captain_Redbeard: :P
[12:55] <ardchoille> One of my complaints about superkaramba is that I never figured out how to bring one certain widget to the front without having to minimise all apps
[12:56] <Jucato> are we still talking about Plasma? O.o
[12:56]  * ardchoille hides
[12:56] <Captain_Redbeard> ardchoille, yea I know... I struggle with that on a daily basis... I wrote a widget a couple of days ago that I use here at work... but I never get to use it since it's alwayd hidden behind windows :P
[12:58] <ardchoille> I think Jucato was hinting that we should take this to an ot channel
[13:00] <emilsedgh> isnt any package for php-qt in kubuntu!? ghhh
[13:00] <frojnd> Hello there. Does anyone here has ati drivers sucessfully installed but he/she can't get compiz to work? I can't enable any of Visual effects. I get note: Desktop effects could not be enabled. Here is my xorg.conf output: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/43016/
[13:00] <Jucato> ardchoille: not really. I stepped out so I lost track of the konv
[13:00] <bobiras_> with wich programm do you see .avi files in kubuntu?
[13:00] <dfaure> bobiras_: xine
[13:00] <ardchoille> bobiras_: xine or mplayer
[13:00] <dfaure> (or mplayer, but xine is better imho)
[13:01]  * Jucato uses whatever works for the given situation, for the given file
[13:02] <ardchoille> Oh, wow, htop has the ability to let the user change color schemes
[13:03] <lg188> ardchoille let it go i meant irc.freenod.net/#kubuntu
[13:03] <lg188> .......:@
[13:05] <bobiras_> ardchoile & dfaure: ty both
[13:05] <ardchoille> bobiras_: yw
[13:06] <bobiras_> it's an extension of amarok?
[13:06] <ThePianoGuy> why does gdebi-kde eat ~640MB system ram when installing a package?
[13:06] <emilsedgh> bobiras_: what?
[13:07] <ThePianoGuy> it crashed before when I had 512MB, now I bought 1GB and it works fine, but the gdebi-kde ram usage is still horrible!
[13:08] <TheWozA> hey can anyone help me how the feck do i make my screen resolution bigger?
[13:09] <emilsedgh> !language | TheWozA
[13:09] <ubotu> TheWozA: Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[13:09] <emilsedgh> TheWozA: go to system Settings->monitor and display
[13:09] <TheWozA> lol thx
[13:09] <TheWozA> and solly for langwadge
[13:10] <emilsedgh> TheWozA: if you didnt find the resolution you want at there, then go to terminal and run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[13:10] <ardchoille> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[13:10] <bobiras_> the xine is an extension of amarok?
[13:11] <ardchoille> bobiras_: I don't think so
[13:11] <emilsedgh> bobiras_: lol, no, you better try to install kmplayer to watch video
[13:12] <emilsedgh> bobiras_: amarok do not play video...its just for you to rediscover your 'music'
[13:12] <ardchoille> Got quiet in here
[13:12] <TheWozA> hmm strange my resolution is not changing when i press apply
[13:12] <Jucato> was it something I said? :(
[13:13] <ardchoille> Jucato: No, definitely not you
[13:15]  * dfaure wonders why gutsy's kernel failed to recognize some harddisk partitions at boot time, while when using a 2.6.20 kernel again everything works.
[13:15] <Jucato> gutsy's... um... gutsy :)
[13:15] <dfaure> not sure if worth a bug report, kernel is already 2.6.23/24-rc1 (gutsy is 2.6.22 iirc)
[13:18] <richard> Hey, anyone familiar with the new ATI driver?
[13:19] <ses59_> I would like to add a cpu monitor to my panel does any one know what program I need to use?
[13:20] <CharlieKane> Tried searching using Adept ?
[13:20] <Rudd-O> hai guise, kdebeta for kubuntu?
[13:20] <Rudd-O> I mean the real beta?
[13:20] <Jucato> none yet
[13:21] <Rudd-O> sup juan
[13:21] <Rudd-O> how long? do you need help getting them out?
[13:21] <Rudd-O> I mean them packages
[13:21] <Jucato> Rudd-O: it's coming. probably in a day or two
[13:21] <emilsedgh> Rudd-O: real beta? what does 'real' means? is there any 'fake' beta!?
[13:21] <richard> I'm having problems with choppy video play and slow compiz using the newest ATi driver...anyone know about that?
[13:21] <Jucato> people are just busy, and the build system is busy too
[13:23] <Rudd-O> are there .dsc files I can use to build kdebeta?
[13:23] <Rudd-O> maybe I can help build it
[13:23] <Jucato> afaik, they're already in the queue, waiting
[13:23] <Rudd-O> oic
[13:23] <Rudd-O> jonathan around?
[13:23] <Rudd-O> (riddell)
[13:24] <Jucato> he is at UDS right now. but he's nick is always around :)
[13:25] <Rudd-O> :-)
[13:25] <Rudd-O> quick question: arts is dead on kde4 right?
[13:25] <ses59_> found the program I needed under applet on tool bar thanks
[13:25] <Rudd-O> how does kttsd, knotify and friends issue sound now?
[13:26] <Jucato> Rudd-O: with Phonon, you can use whatever backend you wish. but yeah arts is practically dead
[13:26] <Jucato> phonon is the sound system now
[13:26] <Rudd-O> finally!
[13:26] <Rudd-O> ok but phonon I understood it to be something like an abstraction layer between apps and the gstramers/xinelibs of the world
[13:26] <dfaure> yes
[13:26] <Rudd-O> this is much more to the point -- playback of synthesized voices and sound events
[13:26] <Rudd-O> hey david
[13:27] <Riddell> Rudd-O: hmm?
[13:27] <Rudd-O> sup Riddell
[13:27] <Jucato> Rudd-O: basically yes. again, with phonon, you're not limited to a single backend. you can use whatever backend you want
[13:27] <Rudd-O> I'm assuming knotify plays event sounds and kttsd plays voices througn phonon api calls now?
[13:27] <Jucato> (well theoretically)
[13:27] <Rudd-O> omg I woke up david and jonathan
[13:27] <Rudd-O> hai guise
[13:27] <Rudd-O> reading planet kde atm
[13:28] <Rudd-O> :-)
[13:28] <dfaure> phonon api calls: yes.
[13:28] <Jucato> you're done for :)
[13:28] <dfaure> and then they end up in xinelib by default
[13:28] <dfaure> which seems to have a number of issues :)
[13:28] <Rudd-O> yes it does
[13:28] <Rudd-O> in amarok the pulseoutput plugin of xine causes a 15 sec delay when paused
[13:28] <Rudd-O> (already reported the bug)
[13:28] <dfaure> up to now I saw deadlocks, very hich cpu usage, and crashes.
[13:29] <Rudd-O> I ask because currently my pulse is giving me trouble with arts, arts continually respawns fora while then it works, then it dies, then it continually respawns again
[13:29] <Rudd-O> if xinelib and mplayer were horses in a race, I'd say the odds against them would be 1-80
[13:29] <gundam_rx78nt1> trivia question for all you kubuntu masters, what will cause my time advance?  I mean, the clock on my system only when I run linux advances about 30-40 minutes in about 5 hours.
[13:29] <Rudd-O> I'm not entirely sure about xinelib, but mplayer is a cesspool of bugs
[13:29] <maris> hi
[13:30] <Rudd-O> gundam_rx78nt1: usually the kernel is firing timer interrupts faster, you should install ntp and have it correct the time drift
[13:30] <kaod> sine I upgraded to gutsy I can't mount my ntfs partitions with ntfs-3g, I get a ''resource in use" error... is this my fault ? I tried uninstalling and reinstalling ntfs-3g but nothing changes
[13:30] <maris> someone speaks german?
[13:30] <Rudd-O> Ich spreche Deutsch
[13:30] <ardchoille> !de
[13:30] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[13:30] <Rudd-O> aber nur ein Bißchen
[13:30] <gundam_rx78nt1> Rudd-O, let me see if I have it installed.
[13:31] <Rudd-O> prolly ahve it installed, it's default in kubuntu but it comes configured not to do anything I think
[13:31] <maris> kannst du mir vielleicht mal bei nem problem mit meinem kubuntu helfen?
[13:31] <Rudd-O> and I dun recall the options for ntp time drift autocorrection
[13:31] <Rudd-O> maris, Ich kann versuchen
[13:31] <eagles0513875> !ge
[13:31] <ubotu> ქართული ენაზე დახმარების მიღებისთვის გთხოვთ შემობრძანდით #ubuntu-ge / Kartuli enaze dakhmarebis mighebistvis gtkhovt shemobrdzandit #ubuntu-ge
[13:31] <dfaure> that's not german :)
[13:31] <eagles0513875> what is that
[13:31] <jpatrick> !de
[13:31] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[13:31] <jpatrick> eagles0513875: transkode in hardy
[13:31] <gundam_rx78nt1> can it be set up as a cron job?
[13:32]  * Jucato though jpatrick was eating...
[13:32] <ardchoille> eagles0513875: You're not good with languages are you? :P
[13:32] <jpatrick> Jucato: I'm back now
[13:32] <Rudd-O> ntp runs as a daemon and corrects drift automatically when told to in /etc/ntp*conf
[13:32] <maris> ich habe feisty fawn und will updaten
[13:32] <eagles0513875> lol i am but not with the abbreviations
[13:32] <Jucato> nah, not everyone knows de = deutshce (german) :D
[13:32] <Rudd-O> its a non-listening daemon so it's safe
[13:32] <eagles0513875> jpatrick: ty
[13:32] <jpatrick> Jucato: Deutsch
[13:32] <ardchoille> !de | maris
[13:32] <ubotu> maris: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[13:32] <eagles0513875> is there one for maltese lol
[13:32] <Jucato> jpatrick: extra e *shrug*
[13:32] <Rudd-O> poor maris
[13:32] <Rudd-O> I want another meat lovrs' pizza
[13:33] <Jucato> !de | maris
[13:33] <Rudd-O> i hear it's 340 calories a slice
[13:33] <maris> thanks ubotu
[13:33] <Rudd-O> do you think it wil make me fat?
[13:33] <ardchoille> !thanks | maris
[13:33] <ubotu> maris: You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[13:33] <Rudd-O> ubotu sounds even more african than ubuntu
[13:33] <eagles0513875> Rudd-O: u do know its a bot
[13:33] <eagles0513875> lol
[13:33] <Rudd-O> of course
[13:34] <Rudd-O> u-bot-u
[13:34] <poison--> lol
[13:34] <maris> umpf :-/
[13:34] <Rudd-O> I'd have to be rather daft not to notice it
[13:34] <Rudd-O> maris: deutschsprachige Leute kannst du mehr in #kubuntu-de finden
[13:34] <Rudd-O> type: /join #kubuntu-de
[13:34] <eagles0513875> ok cuz its funny cuz im in here and i get ubotu to do somethign and they actually thank him  thinking hes real lol
[13:34] <maris> jeah ive just joint de now
[13:35] <Rudd-O> that's why ubotu jumps in and says (privately) that it's only a bot
[13:35] <Riddell> dfaure: you've caused the distro team here to collectively say "doh"
[13:35] <Rudd-O> who here watches House M.D. ?
[13:35] <dfaure> Riddell: about?
[13:36] <Riddell> dfaure: about you two updatedb scripts issue
[13:36] <Riddell> your
[13:36] <Rudd-O> Riddell: care to elaborate a bit?  I want to know as well :-)
[13:36] <dfaure> Riddell: hmm I think it was my own bug due to moving an old updatedb script from daily to weekly....
[13:36] <maris> rudd-o why cant i update my feisty fawn via the autoamic update?
[13:36] <Rudd-O> maris: it's borken I think
[13:36] <dfaure> but I'm still confused about why it's called find.notslocate :)
[13:36] <Rudd-O> kaputt
[13:36] <Rudd-O> es funktionierte für mich nicht
[13:37] <Riddell> dfaure: we all seem to have it too
[13:37] <Rudd-O> endlich habe ich das am Konsole gemacht
[13:37] <maris> so i must download the iso?
[13:37] <dfaure> Riddell: ah (in daily, I assume, not in weekly, then)
[13:37] <Rudd-O> sudo sed 's/feisty/gutsy/g' /etc/apt/sources.list ; sudo apt-get update ; sudp apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:37] <Rudd-O> in eine Zeile
[13:37] <Rudd-O> you don't need to download the iso.  Do this: sudo sed 's/feisty/gutsy/g' /etc/apt/sources.list ; sudo apt-get update ; sudp apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:37] <ardchoille> Rudd-O please take the German to #kubuntu-de
[13:37] <Rudd-O> sorry
[13:38] <Rudd-O> wrong line
[13:38] <Riddell> dfaure: yes
[13:38] <Rudd-O> to upgrade from feisty to gutsy do this: sudo sed -i 's/feisty/gutsy/g' /etc/apt/sources.list ; sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:38] <Rudd-O> that's the correct line
[13:38] <maris> or can i update
[13:38] <maris> Es wurden 1201B in 1s geholt (702B/s)
[13:38] <maris> W: GPG error: http://wine.budgetdedicated.com feisty Release: Die folgenden Signaturen konnten nicht geprüft werden weil der zugehörige öffentliche Schlüssel nicht zur Verfügung steht: NO_PUBKEY 58403026387EE263
[13:38] <maris> E: Konnte Lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock nicht bekommen - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[13:38] <maris> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[13:38] <maris> bash: sudp: command not found
[13:38] <dfaure> maris: please don't paste stuff here!
[13:38] <Rudd-O> you need to run it with sudo
[13:38] <jpatrick> !paste | maris
[13:38] <ubotu> maris: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[13:38] <Rudd-O> not sudp (that was my mistake
[13:38] <maris> jeah ok ^^ have seen it =)
[13:41] <Rudd-O> http://rudd-o.com/archives/2007/11/02/upgrade-from-ubuntu-feisty-to-gutsy-the-one-liner-version/
[13:41] <Rudd-O> for the paste
[13:41] <Rudd-O> and sorry guys for the german
[13:42] <Riddell> dfaure: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/slocate/+bug/159516 we'll get it fixed for hardy, for now you can safely delete the excess scripts
[13:44] <dfaure> Riddell: thanks, that's good support :)  (are .dpkg-new scripts evaluated by cron too?)
[13:44] <Rudd-O> which scripts should be erased?
[13:44] <Rudd-O> dfaure: as far as i know, they will get evaled as well, run-parts runs them
[13:45] <dfaure> that's kind of... broken. on rpm-based distros the .rpmnew files are skipped by such tools iirc.
[13:46] <dfaure> Rudd-O: /etc/cron.daily/slocate and /etc/cron.daily/find.notslocate.dpkg-new should be erased
[13:46] <Rudd-O> oh crap
[13:46] <Rudd-O> I just did the opposite
[13:46] <Rudd-O> crap
[13:46] <dfaure> hihi
[13:47] <dfaure> well it will still work, but without the ionice I think
[13:47] <Rudd-O> my machine is such a screamer that I never noticed the triple slocate run
[13:47] <Rudd-O> I kept the ioniced script
[13:47] <Rudd-O> I thought it was nicer
[13:47] <Rudd-O> pun intended
[13:48] <dfaure> err but that's what I did too
[13:48] <dfaure> ionice was in find.notslocate
[13:48] <Riddell> dfaure: yes they will be
[13:48] <Rudd-O> mine was in the dpkg new
[13:48] <Rudd-O> or maybe I'm confused
[13:48] <Rudd-O> I should drink less
[13:48] <Rudd-O> nono it was on my dpkg-new
[13:48] <Rudd-O> I just confirmed it
[13:49] <Riddell> dfaure: the broken bit is having two scripts which do the same thing at all, the package maintainer much not have thought very hard about it
[13:49] <dfaure> Riddell: yes. I'm just pointing out that evaluating .dpkg-new files is also broken imho (unrelated to this actual bug), because you get things done twice in those .d kind of dirs
[13:50] <Rudd-O> dfaure: that's right
[13:50] <Rudd-O> just as evaluating .rpm* files is broken as well
[13:50] <dfaure> yes (which is why mandriva didn't do it iirc :)
[13:50] <|neon|> i am using a 8800 gts running kubuntu 7.10 compiz is running ok i guess never used it before so i do not know anyway my questions is XGL is not installed should i install the xserver-xgl and did the bug that made kde act slow wehn using it is resolved thx
[13:51] <Quel> hi there... i installed kubuntu a few seconds ago. Now i wanted to get my graphic driver again but i need a root password (sudo doesn't work any more)..
[13:51] <Daisuke_Laptop> is this not a bug for everyone?
[13:51] <dfaure> Quel: sudo doesn't work? even after restarting the machine?
[13:51] <Rudd-O> |neon|: you should not install Xgl
[13:51] <ardchoille> Quel: Your first priority should be to fix the sudo problem
[13:51] <Rudd-O> you should just install the nvidia drivers, AIGLX should be enabled by default and working with compiz
[13:52] <Quel> i just installed and boot without cD
[13:52] <Quel> now sudo apt-get update wants a password
[13:52] <Rudd-O> guise I don't know if you noticed, but when the computer logs in safe mode, it asks for a root password.  ubuntu doens't have one by default, how to fix a system that asks for the rootpw if you can't log in as root?
[13:52] <ardchoille> Quel: That's your user password it wants
[13:52] <|neon|> Rudd-O: i did enabled the restricted driver and everything seems to work great i was just wondering about xgl thx
[13:52] <Rudd-O> xgl is dead
[13:52] <Quel> ahh
[13:52] <Rudd-O> it was a stopgap measure
[13:53] <Rudd-O> until AIGLX worked alright
[13:53] <Quel> so my account is root account?
[13:53] <Rudd-O> and now it does
[13:53] <Daisuke_Laptop> Quel: no
[13:53] <Daisuke_Laptop> !sudo
[13:53] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[13:53] <Rudd-O> Quel: no, your account is your account
[13:53] <Quel> but why is root password my accountpassword?
[13:53] <Rudd-O> sudo only lets you run commands temporarily as root
[13:53] <Rudd-O> sudo asks you for *your* psasword
[13:53] <ardchoille> Quel: No, your account is a user account, but your user is an admin too.. you need to use sudo for admin tasks
[13:53] <Quel> i know, but why is it my account password?
[13:53] <Rudd-O> because sudo wants it to verify that a malignant hacker is not at the keyboard
[13:53] <ardchoille> Quel: There is no root password. read the sudo page
[13:53] <ardchoille> !sudo
[13:54] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[13:54] <Jucato> !root
[13:54] <ubotu> Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[13:54] <Quel> Rudd-O ah that could it be. :) Thanks
[13:54] <Rudd-O> haha guys I win :-p
[13:54] <Quel> i wondered so much, because login in as root is not secure
[13:54] <Daisuke_Laptop> well yeah
[13:55] <Rudd-O> do I get karma in launchpad for helping here?
[13:55] <Rudd-O> :-)
[13:55] <Daisuke_Laptop> that's why sudo exists to begin with
[13:55] <maris> bye gays =) thanks for help
[13:55] <ardchoille> Quel: Right, logging in as root is not necessary and should never be done
[13:55] <Daisuke_Laptop> erm...
[13:55] <Rudd-O> think of sudo as microsoft user account control, done right and by smart people, instead of wrong and by a committee of drooling retards
[13:55] <ardchoille> hahaha
[13:55] <rjune_> Rudd-O: more like an exact copy of how Apple does it
[13:56] <Daisuke_Laptop> rjune_: that's what he said
[13:56] <ardchoille> iirc, apple uses sudo too
[13:56] <Rudd-O> apple uses sudo as well, exactly
[13:56] <Rudd-O> but I'm still waiting for the magical "sudo make me a sandwich"
[13:56] <ardchoille> lol
[13:56] <rjune_> meh, I want it to fetch me a beer
[13:56] <Rudd-O> you know what would be neat?
[13:56] <Rudd-O> sudo sex
[13:56] <Rudd-O> that would be REALLY neat
[13:57] <Jucato> !language
[13:57] <rjune_> Rudd-O: that's a bad word in here.
[13:57] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[13:57] <Rudd-O> ohhhhh, are food and sleep also bad words?
[13:57] <rjune_> beer and whiskey seem ok though. dunno why
[13:57] <Rudd-O> (I disagree with the policy as a matter of principle, but will comply in the future)
[13:58] <Daisuke_Laptop> we tend to have food, sleep, beer, and whiskey.  therefore they aren't bad.
[13:58] <rjune_> I have that other non discussable thing too.
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[13:58] <Jucato> Rudd-O: that's good
[13:58] <rjune_> as evidenced by the fact that I have fathered two children
[13:58] <darkanimel> we
[13:58] <Daisuke_Laptop> i could refute that, but i have no proof
[13:59] <Daisuke_Laptop> oh, and
[13:59] <Daisuke_Laptop> !offtopic
[13:59] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[13:59] <rjune_> LOL
[13:59] <rjune_> way to put me in my place. :-)
[13:59] <Daisuke_Laptop> that wasn't necessarily for you, but the whole conversation, myself included
[13:59] <Rudd-O> rofl
[14:00] <C> ciao
[14:00] <C> qualcuno mi da' 1 mano?
[14:00] <Jucato> !it | C
[14:00] <ubotu> C: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[14:00] <Daisuke_Laptop> !it | C
[14:01] <sercik> Hi!!
[14:01] <Rudd-O> I would give him a hand if it was a her :-)
[14:01] <Rudd-O> italian women are gorgeous
[14:01] <Rudd-O> and, of course, if it was a her and she spoke a bit of english, since I'm zero to the izquierda in italian
[14:01] <sercik> Rudd-O fon't tell stupid thing
[14:01] <Rudd-O> sercik: care to explain?
[14:01] <sercik> hi to all people that remember me
[14:02] <sercik> it was long time ago the last time i have wrote here
[14:02] <ardchoille> hi sercik
[14:02] <sercik> i have a stupid problem with my monitor
[14:02] <Dresken> I wonder why I even bothered using Windows all this time.. o_o;
[14:03] <ardchoille> Dresken: lol, you sound like me in 2001
[14:03] <sercik> 	
[14:03] <sercik> Brightness
[14:03] <Jucato> or me in 2006
[14:03] <Rudd-O> sercik too dark?
[14:03] <Rudd-O> you need to change the gamma settings
[14:03] <sercik> someone cam explain me how to high 	
[14:03] <sercik> Brightness
[14:03] <ardchoille> sercik: Sorry, you can't turn up the "intelligence" level for the internet
[14:03] <Dresken> So maybe I'll get to say that to someone in 2008-2009? =P
[14:03] <sercik> Rudd-O
[14:03] <Rudd-O> first you need to use your monitor's controls
[14:03] <sercik> no don't worry oi was joking
[14:03] <Rudd-O> then you need to resort to Gamma
[14:03] <sercik> i'm italian
[14:04] <sercik> so i don't like that you touch my girl :)
[14:04] <sercik> i have added brightness control to panel in gnome
[14:04] <Rudd-O> I promise not to touch your girl, but the rest of italian girls are fair game :-).
[14:04] <sercik> and then i have used it with the result that doesn't work and now i have brightness very low
[14:04] <Rudd-O> you hve a laptop?
[14:04] <sercik> yes
[14:05] <sercik> i have an acer 5920
[14:05] <sercik> is there a commandline to raise brightness?
[14:05] <Rudd-O> I'm not sure
[14:05] <Rudd-O> what happened when you added the backlight control in your laptop?
[14:05] <sercik> please someone help me... i don't like to reinstall
[14:06] <sercik> when i have adde nothing
[14:06] <Rudd-O> have you tried using the mouse wheel on top of the backlight control?
[14:06] <sercik> but when i have moved slide
[14:06] <Rudd-O> when you moved the slide it becamse dark?
[14:06] <sercik> it doesn't work
[14:06] <sercik> is strange it works onli on down
[14:06] <sercik> now i have at minimum and i can' raise
[14:07] <Rudd-O> have you tried rebooting?
[14:07] <sercik> i can move slide but doesn't work
[14:07] <Rudd-O> first remove the backlight applet, then reboot
[14:07] <sercik> yes i have tried
[14:07] <sercik> wait i'll try
[14:08] <Quel> how can i search for iceweasle with apt-get?
[14:08] <Rudd-O> unless the brightness data is saved to the bios, this should take care of his problem
[14:08] <Rudd-O> apt-cache search iceweasel
[14:08] <Rudd-O> probably not gonna find int unless you have the debian repos listed in sources.list
[14:08] <|neon|> sercik: have u try smart dimmer
[14:09] <Quel> thanks
[14:09] <sercik> no
[14:09] <|neon|> $ sudo apt-get install smartdimmer
[14:09] <|neon|> $ smartdimmer -g
[14:09] <|neon|> SmartDimmer level: 21
[14:09] <|neon|> $ smartdimmer -s 10
[14:09] <|neon|> $ smartdimmer -i
[14:09] <|neon|> $ smartdimmer -d
[14:09] <sercik> what is smartdimmer?
[14:09] <Rudd-O> it's a dimmer that is smart
[14:09] <Rudd-O> :-)
[14:09] <Rudd-O> gg:smart dimmer
[14:09] <|neon|> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=451781
[14:09] <Quel> huh there is no iceweasle
[14:10] <llutz> Quel: firefox
[14:10] <|neon|> thats it what i have to use on my everex when i use only the battery toget the backscreen light to work ok
[14:10] <Quel> and what is iceweasle?
[14:10] <Quel> an addin?
[14:10] <Rudd-O> iceweasel is firefox with another name
[14:10] <sercik> please explain me how to use smartdimmer..
[14:10] <Rudd-O> trademark issues
[14:10] <|neon|> sercik: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=451781
[14:10] <Rudd-O> $ sudo apt-get install smartdimmer$ smartdimmer -gSmartDimmer level: 21$ smartdimmer -s 10$ smartdimmer -i$ smartdimmer -d
[14:11] <Rudd-O> oh and very important
[14:11] <Rudd-O> man smartdimmer
[14:11] <llutz> Quel: iceweasel is debians firefox
[14:11] <Quel> can i use it? :(
[14:12] <Quel> i love iceweasel... is there a way to get it for kubuntu?
[14:12] <ardchoille> Quel: download the source and compile it
[14:13] <Quel> i never did it. i am a newcommer.. can you help me?
[14:13] <dfaure> Quel: what difference with using firefox directly???
[14:13] <ole> there is a .deb for switweasel somewhere
[14:13] <ole> swiftweasel*
[14:13] <Quel> dfaure iceweasele looks cooler *g*
[14:13] <dfaure> temperature wise, I suppose :)
[14:14] <ardchoille> haha
[14:14] <Rudd-O> you could download iceweasel .deb and attempt to install it
[14:14] <Quel> is .deb easy to install?
[14:14] <ardchoille> Rudd-O: If the .deb is made for ubuntu, then ok.. otherwise it's dangerous
[14:14] <Quel> not good
[14:14] <Rudd-O> well, why would it be dangerous?  if tehre are dep problems, it simply wont install
[14:15] <Quel> how may i find out if it's for kubuntu
[14:15] <ole> Quel, you can also install many themes for default firefox to make it look cooler :-)
[14:15] <ardchoille> Rudd-O: Mixing distro packages? That's dangerous.
[14:15] <Quel> i love the symbol and the skin... thats important to me
[14:15] <Rudd-O> ardchoille: you've never lived until you've mixed distro packages
[14:16] <Rudd-O> on my old fedora I had suse, mandrake and rhel packages
[14:16] <Quel> Rudd-O you're cool - hehe :)
[14:16] <Rudd-O> turns out Smart package manager was actually quite smart
[14:16] <ardchoille> Rudd-O: Well, you can mess up your system, but please don't recommend it to others. If they mess something up, they come back in here and we have to help them fix it.
[14:16] <Rudd-O> :-)
[14:16] <Rudd-O> aaight
[14:17] <Quel> hehe
[14:17] <webvictim> ardchoille: but surely that's what keeps you going :P
[14:17] <Rudd-O> rofl
[14:17] <Quel> can i switch the firefox symbol to iceweasel symbol after instaslling firefox?
[14:17] <Quel> love the weasel
[14:18] <ardchoille> webvictim: lol!
[14:18] <Rudd-O> Quel sure
[14:18] <Quel> cool
[14:18] <Rudd-O> you can look for it in /usr/share/pixmaps I think
[14:18] <Quel> how to install firefox?
[14:18] <ardchoille> Quel: sudo apt-get install firefox
[14:19] <Rudd-O> awesome smartpm syncs up with apt sources.list in ubuntu!
[14:19] <ardchoille> SmartPM is quite nice
[14:19] <Quel> okay and what do i need for using open office? apt-get install openoffice
[14:19] <Rudd-O> it's not only nice but SMART
[14:20] <LjL> Quel, are you using some non-standard version of Kubuntu?
[14:20] <|neon|> has ne1 tried crossover with gutsy yet
[14:20] <Quel> Kubuntu 7.04
[14:20] <LjL> Quel: then OpenOffice is already installed.
[14:20] <Quel> form a CD of an university-event (i took a look there)
[14:21]  * lander brb
[14:21] <gary> Hi everyone
[14:21] <kaod> since I upgraded to gutsy I can't mount my ntfs partitions with ntfs-3g, I get a ''resource in use" error... is this my fault ? I tried uninstalling and reinstalling ntfs-3g but nothing changes
[14:21] <Quel> LjL you're right ^^
[14:21] <lander> glob2 cheats ?
[14:22] <kaod> any ideas on what's wrong ?
[14:22] <MasterShrek> kaod, is it already mounted?
[14:22] <gary> I have a question and I'd be very happy if someone could help me out with this
[14:22] <MasterShrek> ask away gary
[14:22] <gary> I just installed Slackware 12 on dvd
[14:22] <kaod> nope MasterShrek, I don't think so
[14:22] <MasterShrek> gary, this is an ubuntu channel, but slackware ftw :)
[14:22] <kaod> it's auto mounted to /media/, isn't it ?
[14:23] <MasterShrek> kaod, yes i believe so
[14:23] <gary> I know, but i'm kinda in a hurry :-(
[14:23] <kaod> then it's not mounted... /etc/fstab only points to my mount points, but it's not mounted
[14:23] <ole> so ask, what's the problem?
[14:24] <MasterShrek> kaod, is that the only thing it says? "resource in use" ?
[14:24] <gary> I want to know how I can start up the system in the KDE mode
[14:24] <gary> It boots up in text mode
[14:24] <gary> Anyone??
[14:24] <kaod> yes, that's the only error messageç
[14:24] <MasterShrek> gary, put kdm in /etc/rc.d/rc.local
[14:25] <kaod> (well, "Mount failed." too, but there's not much info there :D)
[14:25] <MasterShrek> gary, you may need the absolute path to it, like /usr/bin/kdm  or something, i cant exactly remember where its located in slack 12
[14:26] <MasterShrek> kaod, try umount -f /dev/....
[14:26] <lander> globulation 2 hjase cheats ?
[14:26] <gary> Thanks a million, Master shrek!!!!
[14:26] <MasterShrek> np gary
[14:26] <gary> I just typed in "kdm" and I have it running now
[14:26] <MasterShrek> gary, btw there is a slackware channel: #slackware :)
[14:26] <gary> Thanks man
[14:26] <kaod> umount2: Non valid argument ; umount: /dev/sda5: not mounted
[14:26] <MasterShrek> gary, yes, but put it in /etc/rc.d/rc.local so it starts every time
[14:26] <gary> Ok( I'm kinda new in this linux stuff)
[14:27] <MasterShrek> gary, well you will learn fast using slackware :) its a wonderful distro
[14:27] <gary> And I really like it
[14:27] <gary> Thanks again, and have a nice day you all
[14:27] <gary> I'm out
[14:27] <gary> Peace...
[14:28] <MasterShrek> kaod, not really sure then, is there an entry for it in /etc/fstab?
[14:28] <kaod> yes, but it fails mounting too, I tried commenting it and mounting it by myself and I get the same error
[14:28] <kaod> so I think that the resource is in use even before the system is really booted-up
[14:29] <MasterShrek> kaod, and you are sure that is the ntfs partition not something like your swap partition or soemthing?
[14:30] <kaod> yeah, I'm sure
[14:31] <MasterShrek> hmm, then i dunno for sure
[14:31] <kaod> where can I see the boot log ? maybe there's more info there about the mount fail
[14:32] <Rudd-O> /var/log
[14:32] <Rudd-O> or ksystemlog
[14:32] <kaod> I know it should be at /var/log, but what's the file name ?
[14:33] <sercik> oh my god
[14:33] <sercik> i need help
[14:33] <sercik> the brightness is low not only in linux but always
[14:33] <sercik> it seems that brightness applet have changed brightness in bios
[14:33] <Rudd-O> can you go into bios?
[14:34] <sercik> yes also if i see very few
[14:34] <ooFeMoe9re> how to start compiz automaticaly with kde?
[14:34] <sercik> but i don't remember that tjere is an option for brightness
[14:35] <TRSSpy> hi, can someone please check MD5Sum for kubuntu-7.10-dvd-amd64.iso I've calculated 0bc8915140a787eccd1fc5029ac0533b with http://www.pc-tools.net/win32/md5sums/ but I've found in MD5SUMS.txt that correct should be - 8703b7773f717e171e48742c374b322a
[14:36] <jessy_james> hi,exist applet for monitor battery mouse usb ?
[14:36] <Riddell> TRSSpy: MD5SUMS.txt is unlikely to be wrong
[14:37]  * lander bbi15m
[14:37] <Quel> is there a command to get to know which kind of soundcard i got?
[14:37] <MasterShrek> lspci | grep Audio
[14:38] <TRSSpy> Riddell: but I really don't want to download 4.4 GB again it takes 6 hours :/
[14:38] <MasterShrek> jessy_james, probably not
[14:38] <michael__> sweet
[14:38] <MasterShrek> TRSSpy, where did u get MD5SUMS.txt ? from the download directory?
[14:39] <Quel> thank you, MasterShrek
[14:39] <TRSSpy> MasterShrek: yeah, from - http://ubuntu-cdimage.datahop.it/kubuntu/releases/7.10/release/
[14:39] <jasonago> how will I open rar files in ark? is there anything that I need to install first just like when opening 7z?
[14:39] <jasonago> I can't open rar files....
[14:40] <Riddell> TRSSpy: use bittorrent, it'll fill in the gaps
[14:40] <MasterShrek> TRSSpy, i doubt it would be wrong then, your image is probabyl corrupt, i would try using bittorrent if i were you, probably faster...btw do you need the dvd? or can u just use the cd and install software from the net afterwards?
[14:40] <MasterShrek> jasonago, unrar-nonfree iirc
[14:40] <dfaure> jasonago: we don't have RAR code in kde svn; AFAIK.
[14:41] <Quel> ATI Technologies INC SBx00 Azalia... where can ic get a driver?
[14:41] <MasterShrek> jasonago, its just unrar: sudo apt-get install unrar
[14:41] <TRSSpy> MasterShrek: I can install from the net but in CD version I don't see 'Install as server option' and I'd like to install apache with phpmyadmin
[14:41] <MasterShrek> TRSSpy, just download the server edition of ubuntu
[14:42] <MasterShrek> TRSSpy, http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download                  on the right choose server
[14:42] <jasonago> Package unrar is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[14:42] <jasonago> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[14:42] <jasonago> is only available from another source
[14:42] <jasonago> E: Package unrar has no installation candidate
[14:42] <jasonago> [14:42] <MasterShrek> !info unrar
[14:42] <ubotu> unrar: Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1:3.7.3-1.1 (gutsy), package size 94 kB, installed size 232 kB
[14:43] <Vermux> how do I c the priority of precesses?
[14:43] <MasterShrek> jasonago, did you enable multiverse?
[14:43] <jasonago> Ok now I know....multiverse....
[14:43] <jasonago> I'll get it individually...
[14:44] <MasterShrek> jasonago, why not just enable the repository? its much easier and gives you access to more software
[14:44] <jasonago> I can't download big files coz I'm using winmodem at 14kbps only....linuxant's greediness...
[14:44] <jasonago> and i cant enable all the repositories because when I download the list, synaptics get hanged coz of slow internet connection...
[14:57] <jasonago> how will I be able to change the appearance of the kmenu icon?
[14:58] <Jucato> jasonago: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/faq/panel.html#id2552433
[14:59] <andriucha> galbut kas nors zinote kaip susikonfiguruoti bevieli interneta ant kubuntu os?
[15:04] <Vermux> !alias
[15:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about alias - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:04] <MasterShrek> !info alias
[15:04] <ubotu> Package alias does not exist in gutsy
[15:05] <MasterShrek> Vermux, what do u need to know about alias?
[15:05]  * lander is back
[15:05] <Vermux> the first time I see this word
[15:05] <Vermux> what is it
[15:06] <MasterShrek> aliases allow a string to be substituted for a word when it is used as the first word of a simple command
[15:06] <Jucato> The  alias utility shall create or redefine alias definitions or write the values of existing alias definitions to standard output. An alias definition provides a string value that shall replace a command name when it is encountered; see Alias Substitution .
[15:06] <Vermux> MasterShrek: Im reading man top.
[15:06] <Jucato> man alias
[15:07]  * lg188 is back
[15:08] <Jucato> !away > lg188
[15:08] <Vermux> Jucato: no manual entry to alias
[15:08] <Jucato> weird..
[15:08] <MasterShrek> Jucato, i cant man alias either
[15:08] <Jucato> Vermux: to put it simply, an alias is an alias (duh!) to any (usually longer) command
[15:09] <Jucato> hm..  might have an extra package installed. like man-pages...
[15:09] <estoesderisa> Hello, I click on Knetworkmanager but doesnt start
[15:09] <lg188> Jucato me sorry its my name and i like anonymus-ety of my name
[15:09] <llutz> alias is a shell builtin
[15:10] <Jucato> Vermux: you can make shortcuts to longer commands or a group of commands.
[15:10] <jpatrick> lg188: we don't want away messages flooding up the channel tho ;)
[15:11] <Vermux> Jucato: what will be example for the use of alias with top?
[15:11] <Jucato> dunno
[15:11] <lg188> jpatrick wtf im sorry you dont have to be angry at me of being a beginer nobody telled me befor of that nick change thing
[15:12] <Jucato> lg188: that's why I did the !away thing
[15:12] <jpatrick> lg188: I wasn't angry, I was just saying
[15:12] <Vermux> Jucato: "Summary_Area: The program name is shown, perhaps a symlink or alias."
[15:12] <lg188> Jucato/jpatrick kk i wil stay cool now ...
[15:12] <Jucato> Vermux: still don't know :)
[15:13] <Jucato> alias = "another name"
[15:13] <Vermux> Jucato: so alias can be shortcut for a name
[15:13] <Vermux> ?
[15:13] <Vermux> Jucato: ok, thanks
[15:13] <Jucato> the "program name"
[15:13] <Philip5-aWay> !Guidelines
[15:13] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[15:13] <MasterShrek> Vermux, example: alias rabbit="ssh 192.168.1.102"
[15:13] <Jucato> for example, I can alias apt-get to "superpowers"... so that when I call "superpowers", I'm actually calling apt-get
[15:14] <Jucato> probably that will show in top as well
[15:14] <MasterShrek> Vermux, now when i type rabbit on the command line it will ssh 192.168.1.102
[15:14] <lg188> Philip5-aWay ty =.=
[15:14] <llutz> MasterShrek: you're not allowed to ssh my PC :)
[15:14] <MasterShrek> =P
[15:15] <Vermux> MasterShrek: ok
[15:20] <Vermux> a task is a process?
[15:21] <Exploit_> do i have feist?
[15:21] <Exploit_> Kubuntu 7.04
[15:22] <MasterShrek> Exploit_, yes
[15:22] <MasterShrek> feisty*
[15:22] <Exploit_> ok
[15:22] <Exploit_> thank you
[15:22] <Exploit_> does this command work on feisty: pgrade gutsy ubuntu: run this command: sudo apt-get install linux-backports-modules-$(uname -r)?
[15:23] <MasterShrek> Exploit_, i dunno, try it and find out
[15:23] <W8TAH|class> i have a strange situation - -i just tried to login to my kubuntu gusty laptop and the keyboard works fine in grub and on the dual boot windows, but as soon as kdm comes up, it stops workin
[15:23] <W8TAH|class> any suggestions whats up or where to look?
[15:23] <poison--> xorg.conf
[15:23] <poison--> i think
[15:24] <MasterShrek> yes probably xorg.conf
[15:24] <poison--> tried safe mode
[15:24] <W8TAH|class> ive not edited xorg.conf -- im logging in in safe mode now
[15:24] <MasterShrek> if you run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg you should be able to reconfigure it
[15:24] <W8TAH|class> cool
[15:24] <W8TAH|class> very excellent
[15:25] <jkimilu> hi
[15:26] <andris> welcome
[15:26] <MasterShrek> w31c0m3
[15:26] <jkimilu> thanks now i have a slight issue with my distro mind if i ask??
[15:26] <MasterShrek> ask away
[15:27] <W8TAH|class> wow that reconfigure thingy is cool - much easier than gentoo
[15:27] <jkimilu> i have tried updatin using apt-get and this is the error i get
[15:27] <jkimilu>  (14 Viewing)
[15:27] <jkimilu> This forum is for the discussion of all Linux Software used in a desktop context.
[15:27] <MasterShrek> W8TAH|class, anything is easier than gentoo
[15:27] <MasterShrek> lol
[15:27] <MasterShrek> jkimilu, that hardly looks like an error
[15:28] <W8TAH|class> MasterShrek: LOL -- i liked it just got tired of the dev fight and it didnt scale well to 7 or 8 machines
[15:28] <X314Z159> hm, is there an easy way to convert an .avi to dvd5?
[15:28] <W8TAH|class> MasterShrek: i ran through the script and it didnt help
[15:28] <MasterShrek> W8TAH|class, i find gentoo quite useless, it takes way too much time to set up when u can do about the same thing with any other distro
[15:28] <jkimilu> i get this Cannot initiate the connection to 3128:80 (0.0.12.56). - connect (22 Invalid argument)
[15:29] <jkimilu> am on ubuntu
[15:29] <W8TAH|class> MasterShrek: ya -- im converting all my servers to ubuntu LTS now
[15:29] <MasterShrek> W8TAH|class, i use slackware on my servers, ubuntu on my desktops usually
[15:29] <MasterShrek> jkimilu, whats the command you are entering?
[15:30] <jkimilu> so any id3as of the cause or b3tt3r y3t a solution???
[15:30] <W8TAH|class> MasterShrek: i'll be back in a few - i gotta switch classrooms
[15:30] <jkimilu> sudo apt-get update
[15:30] <MasterShrek> jkimilu, pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
[15:31] <MasterShrek> jkimilu, while you are doing that, ill brb, giong to reboot and try my newly compiled kernel :)  back in a flash....
[15:31] <jkimilu> # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
[15:31] <jkimilu> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted
[15:31] <jkimilu> # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
[15:31] <jkimilu> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted
[15:31] <jkimilu> ## Major bug fix updates produced after the final release of the
[15:31] <jkimilu> ## distribution.
[15:31] <jkimilu> # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
[15:31] <jkimilu> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-updates main restricted
[15:31] <jkimilu> # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
[15:31] <jkimilu> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-updates main restricted
[15:31] <jkimilu> ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe'
[15:31] <Jucato> well at least Freenode did it for me :)
[15:32] <jpatrick> !paste | jkimilu
[15:32] <ubotu> jkimilu: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[15:32] <jkimilu> so sorrry
[15:32] <jkimilu> lol
[15:33] <jkimilu> so any ideas what the issue might be??
[15:33] <jkimilu> there pasted it on pastebin
[15:33] <llutz> jkimilu: you#re using a proxy?
[15:34] <Exploit_> can i use beryl with kubuntu?
[15:34] <jkimilu> no am directly connected
[15:35] <Jucato> Exploit_: beryl is defunct... compiz-fusion is compiz+beryl. and yes
[15:35] <Jucato> !compiz | Exploit_
[15:35] <ubotu> Exploit_: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[15:36] <jkimilu> llutz have you seen the file???
[15:36] <Exploit_> thank you
[15:36] <LjL> can anyone confirm that, in Dolphin, the status bar is misrendered when a long filename is hovered on, as i reported at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dolphin/+bug/159544 ?
[15:36] <jkimilu> i have really tried updating this distro and its really frustating
[15:37] <MasterShrek> ok back :)
[15:37] <jkimilu> Mastershrek so any progress
[15:38] <Jucato> LjL: you don't even need to have a long filename... just resize d3lphin to have a very narrow width, and the status bar increases its height to accommodate the contents
[15:38] <MasterShrek> jkimilu, did u pastebin your sources?
[15:39] <jkimilu> yes i did
[15:39] <MasterShrek> can you give me the link?
[15:39] <Jucato> LjL: so it might actually be a "feature" of D3lphin... resizing statusbart
[15:39] <jkimilu> ihttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/43021/
[15:40] <jim88> hi all ... is there a fix for kdesudo in 7.10 yet?  if not, how can I work around it denying some programs to run
[15:40] <MasterShrek> jim88, there was just an update for kdesudo, i just installed it today
[15:40] <jkimilu> got it??
[15:40] <MasterShrek> jkimilu, well your sources.list looks fine
[15:41] <draik> !source
[15:41] <ubotu> You can easily fetch a package's source with apt-get. See: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html
[15:41] <jim88> ok, thanks master shrek ... i tried last night and there was nothing
[15:41] <draik> !source-o-matic
[15:41] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[15:41] <jkimilu> Mastershrek yeah am wondering where the proxy is coming in??
[15:42] <LjL> Jucato, i mentioned that in the report. however i find it hard to consider it a "feature", given that 1) it makes selecting certain files hard or impossible 2) moving the mouse over such files results in the statusbar refreshing like mad
[15:42] <MasterShrek> i got no idea jkimilu
[15:42] <jkimilu> yet even in the synaptic pkgm there are no proxies specified
[15:42] <jkimilu> wow seems am in real trouble here
[15:42] <llutz> jkimilu: try "unset http_proxy sudo apt-get update"
[15:42] <Jucato> LjL: hence "feature"... it might have been a KDE 3 Dolphin bug that has been fixed in KDE 4...
[15:43] <Jucato> anyway have to brb
[15:44] <jkimilu> unset----command not found
[15:44] <draik> Not many repos in Gutsy. Are they in the process of being added?
[15:44] <BluesKaj> Howdy all :)
[15:45] <jkimilu> llutz command failed miserably
[15:45] <draik> Hello BluesKaj
[15:45] <ardchoille> hi BluesKaj
[15:45] <BluesKaj> hi draik
[15:45] <BluesKaj> ardchoille,
[15:45] <llutz> jkimilu: sry "unset http_proxy ; sudo apt-get update"
[15:46] <BluesKaj> hmm, i haven't checked source-o-matic lately ...wonder if any gutsy repos have been added
[15:46] <jkimilu> llutz:same ol' 3rror
[15:46] <jim88> I'm not sure how anyone else feels but I think that kubuntu 7.10 was the best install and upgrade to date that I have done
[15:46] <slow-motion> hallo
[15:47] <jkimilu> am really wondering where the proxy issue is coming from
[15:47] <X314Z159> okay. how do I find programs that are not listed in adept.. and how do I install them?
[15:48] <BluesKaj> source-o-matic looks the same as it was 2 weeks ago
[15:48] <ardchoille> X314Z159: The programs listed in adept are the apps in the repos, you can enable more repos to see more apps.. but that's about it. Otherwise, you can compile almost anything.
[15:50] <BluesKaj> X314Z159, you just have to search for the the apps you want on google or other search engines , then DL and compile
[15:50] <X314Z159> how do I compile?
[15:51] <BluesKaj> !compile
[15:51] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[15:51] <ardchoille> !compile | X314Z159
[15:51] <ubotu> X314Z159: please see above
[15:51] <draik> BluesKaj: Yeah. I just updated my laptop to Gutsy. My desktop is still Feisty. Testing the waters and all.
[15:51] <X314Z159> okay. thanks guys :D
[15:51] <draik> What would happen if I enabled the Feisty repos with Gutsy?
[15:52] <ardchoille> draik: That might break a lot of things
[15:52] <draik> ardchoille: Thanks. I figured as much but thought I'd ask.
[15:52] <jkimilu> anyone who has had an issue with apt-g3t?????? saying there's a proxy error??
[15:53] <jkimilu> see my pastebin on sources.list:http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/43021/
[15:53] <llutz> jkimilu: it's spelled "apt-get" and you should it use this way to be taken serious
[15:54] <BluesKaj> draik, I'm not "real impressed" with gutsy , but it will do for now ... at least there is an attempt to help us poor ATI owners with 3D and DRI using the restricted fglrx driver ...altho in my case google earth is slow and clunky , but it does work if you have patience
[15:54] <draik> Someone was telling me (at work) that they modified their system so that they can be in Kubuntu (example) and back out to GRUB instantly and choose another OS to load. Is this possible?
[15:55] <Sioux> did they tell u how?
[15:55] <draik> BluesKaj: I'm happy with the simplest of things.
[15:55] <BluesKaj> news to me draik
[15:56] <e-m00> anyone got a few minutes to lend a hand? (wifi issues)
[15:56] <draik> Sioux: No. It was a dang-it-my-break-is-over conversation.
[15:56] <BluesKaj> !wireless | e-m00
[15:56] <ubotu> e-m00: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[15:57] <e-m00> thx
[15:57] <draik> Should I consider it as bogus as m$ security?
[16:00] <e-m00> okay, so i still have a question
[16:00] <jkimilu> ok i get it llutz
[16:01] <jkimilu> so any one has an idea? i read somewhere it had a bug s
[16:01] <jkimilu> am using dapper-back-ports
[16:02] <BluesKaj> !ask e-m00
[16:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ask e-m00 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:03] <BluesKaj> !ask | e-m00
[16:03] <ubotu> e-m00: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[16:04] <e-m00> okay, so i have to install the bcm43xx-fwcutter package (i assume from apt) in order to get my wireless working, but i conveniently also seem to be having issues with my ethernet not working as well
[16:05] <e-m00> wait...nvm i just got ethernet working...hold on
[16:06] <jasonago> why does the avatars of my friends doesnt appear in kopete?
[16:06] <jasonago> I think that should be automatic...
[16:07] <BluesKaj> !bcm43
[16:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bcm43 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:07] <BluesKaj> !broadcom
[16:07] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[16:07] <BluesKaj> heh
[16:08] <e-m00> yeah BluesKaj, im at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessFirmware
[16:08] <BluesKaj> no wonder i haven't setup wireless in my house ...usually wires work the first time
[16:08] <e-m00> right now im in restricted-manager-kde
[16:08] <MasterShrek> BluesKaj, what broadcom card is it?
[16:08] <MasterShrek> or e-m00
[16:09] <e-m00> trying to enable the firmware for my wireless card, and it's saying the software source for the package bcm43xx-fwcutter is not enabled
[16:09] <MasterShrek> e-m00, try sudo apt-get install bcm43xx-fwcutter, ive heard it installs the firmware, but i didnt do it that way
[16:09] <e-m00> its a broadcom 4318
[16:09] <e-m00> yeah i tried that
[16:09] <e-m00> and it says (i think) package not found
[16:09] <MasterShrek> e-m00, all you really have to do is put the firmware in /lib/firmware
[16:09] <e-m00> lemme try again
[16:10] <MasterShrek> !info bcm43xx-fwcutter
[16:10] <ubotu> bcm43xx-fwcutter: Utility for extracting Broadcom 43xx firmware. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:006-3 (gutsy), package size 25 kB, installed size 116 kB
[16:10] <MasterShrek> e-m00, enable universe?
[16:10] <e-m00> mmm yeah i might have some sources commented out
[16:10] <e-m00> lemme check
[16:11] <e-m00> blaaah whats the gedit equivalent in kde
[16:11] <e-m00> i'm so used to gnome
[16:11] <llutz> e-m00: kate
[16:11] <e-m00> thanks
[16:12] <BluesKaj> alt+F2 , kdesu kate /etcapt/sources.list
[16:12] <BluesKaj> oops etc/apt/sources.list
[16:13] <e-m00> yeah i know
[16:13] <e-m00> the problem was
[16:13] <e-m00> that i wasnt connected to the internet during install
[16:13] <e-m00> so the universe sources didnt verify and they were commented out
[16:13] <BluesKaj> opk good
[16:14] <BluesKaj> e-m00, try source-o-matic for a new list
[16:14] <BluesKaj> err updated list
[16:15] <BluesKaj> BBL , chores to do
[16:16] <abcd> Hello, can i make an .iso image of cd-rom with k3b?
[16:16] <MasterShrek> abcd, yes, but its easier to do it from command line
[16:16] <MasterShrek> dd if=/dev/hdc of=/path/to/file.iso
[16:16] <e-m00> blaaaah
[16:17] <e-m00> i really need to get a new router
[16:17] <llutz> abcd: or with data-cd "cat /dev/cdrom >image.iso"
[16:17] <abcd> MasterShrek: thanks, I'll try this
[16:17] <BluesKaj> MasterShrek, what's easy about that ?
[16:17] <e-m00> this thing's dhcp server is HORRIBLE
[16:17] <MasterShrek> BluesKaj, whats hard about that?
[16:17] <BluesKaj> I like llutz's better :)
[16:17] <MasterShrek> e-m00, what kinda router is it?
[16:18] <BluesKaj> K9copy works , as does kiso
[16:18] <e-m00> its a netgear
[16:18] <e-m00> i hate it
[16:19] <MasterShrek> e-m00, did u get connected to it or not?
[16:19] <e-m00> kinda
[16:19] <MasterShrek> lol, kinda doesnt count
[16:19] <e-m00> wireless is working now, just not getting an ip
[16:20] <MasterShrek> hmm
[16:20] <MasterShrek> is it encrypted?
[16:20] <e-m00> my network? yeah wpa
[16:20] <MasterShrek> using network manager i assume
[16:20] <e-m00> i would be stupid not to secure it
[16:21] <MasterShrek> tru.dat
[16:21] <W8TAH|Class> MasterShrek: i have no critical data on this kubuntu partition - -im just gonna blow it away and re-install -- ive also got windows on a separate partion
[16:21] <W8TAH|Class> that shouldnt cause any problems, right?
[16:22] <MasterShrek> W8TAH|Class, it shouldnt
[16:22] <jim88> e-m00 I had to do a hard boot to get my ip after changing
[16:22] <W8TAH|Class> MasterShrek: cool -- thanks
[16:23] <e-m00> yeah i might just have to restart the router
[16:23] <e-m00> that usually does it
[16:23] <e-m00> but then of course my server loses connection
[16:23] <e-m00> and people get mad at me
[16:23] <e-m00> and the calls start coming in WHATS GOING ON OMG
[16:24] <DaSkreech> !install
[16:24] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[16:24] <jim88> e-m00 tell them you need more money
[16:25] <e-m00> yeah if only :P
[16:27] <e-m00> hmm
[16:27] <e-m00> it seems to have jumped into manual configuration
[16:27] <e-m00> and won't go back to automatic
[16:29] <gukk_devel> is there a german channel for Kubuntu?
[16:29] <llutz> !de | gukk_devel
[16:29] <ubotu> gukk_devel: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[16:29] <OceanRain> hi, have a question about Kubuntu booting
[16:29] <Gulars> anyone know how to get the alt-tab window thingie running? when I alt-tab now, kde just swaps between the different programs, instead of showing the icon-selector thingie
[16:29] <gukk_devel> merci
[16:30] <OceanRain> is there a way not to see the blue Kubuntu logo with the progress bar
[16:30] <Gulars> happened after trying out compiz, and then disabeling it
[16:30] <OceanRain> when the system boots
[16:30] <OceanRain> but to see what's going? I mean the console
[16:32] <W8TAH|Class> im have several kubuntu machines -- one of which is reformatting itself right now - - on one of my others ( a brand new gusty install) i noticed that with my wireless wheel mouse, when i scroll upwards, it perceives that as a right click as well as a scroll, so it highlights, brings up the right click menu etc -- how to change this?
[16:32] <llutz> OceanRain: change boot-options to "nosplash"
[16:32] <OceanRain> ok, I'll try it, thanks!
[16:33] <llutz> OceanRain: its "quiet splash" by default
[16:33] <OceanRain> that's in the grub file?
[16:33] <OceanRain> or other file? sorry I'm somewhat new in linux
[16:33] <llutz> OceanRain: in menu.list, yes
[16:34] <OceanRain> ok thanks again
[16:34] <X314Z159> okay.. i cant install a package because it says i have a newer version of it. but when i try to install a package dependent on that package it says that i need the old version of that package. so i cant install it. what do i do now?
[16:35] <BluesKaj> uninstall the new pkg and try to install the old one
[16:36] <DaSkreech> OceanRain: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[16:36] <DaSkreech> X314Z159: What package?
[16:36] <OceanRain> ok
[16:37] <X314Z159> DaSkreech: libgtk2.0-0
[16:37] <X314Z159> BluesKaj: I dont know where the old one is
[16:37] <e-m00> ok, im just gonna reboot this #$%$%&%&*$^ router
[16:38] <DaSkreech> X314Z159: You are trying to install libgtk ?
[16:38] <X314Z159> DaSkreech: precisely
[16:38] <DaSkreech> X314Z159: and that relies on something?
[16:38] <DaSkreech> What?
[16:39] <X314Z159> DaSkreech: well. no, I have installed all the stuff it relies on
[16:39] <DaSkreech> So what's the issue?
[16:39] <X314Z159> dpkg: regarding .../libgtk2.0-0_2.12.0-1ubuntu3_i386.deb containing libgtk2.0-0:
[16:39] <X314Z159>  libgtk2.0-0 conflicts with gtk-qt-engine (<< 1:0.8~svn-rev36-1)
[16:39] <X314Z159>   gtk-qt-engine (version 0.71~svn20070224-0ubuntu3) is installed.
[16:39] <X314Z159> dpkg: error processing /home/matt/libgtk2.0-0_2.12.0-1ubuntu3_i386.deb (--install):
[16:39] <X314Z159>  conflicting packages - not installing libgtk2.0-0
[16:39] <X314Z159> Errors were encountered while processing:
[16:39] <X314Z159>  /home/matt/libgtk2.0-0_2.12.0-1ubuntu3_i386.deb
[16:39] <X314Z159> Press <enter> to exit...
[16:39] <X314Z159> DaSkreech: thats the issue
[16:42] <boerjesl> if 3d acceleration doesn't work in feisty should I be worried about updating to gutsy? isn't compiz automatically installed in gutsy?
[16:44] <em00> ugh
[16:44] <hydrogen> not for kubutno
[16:44] <em00> whyyyyyyyyyy can i not get an ip!
[16:44] <hydrogen> It would appear you have one..
[16:44] <em00> on my laptop
[16:44] <em00> not here
[16:45] <boerjesl> i have an ati card so i'm a little bit worried about upgrading..
[16:47] <venik> Am I the only one who finds 7.10 to run MUCH more slowly than 7.04?  I upgraded from 7.04 (did not do a clean install)
[16:47] <spawn57> same as 7.04 here
[16:48] <boerjesl> i wonder how new system venik and spawn are running?
[16:49] <venik> I did not understand your question, Boerjest
[16:49] <em00> does anyone know how to make knetworkmanager go back to automatic config?
[16:50] <boerjesl> venik: i meant how new your pc is, how much memory etc
[16:50] <rakan> where can i find the mysql data folder?
[16:51] <frank_> hola
[16:51] <venik> It is a Dell Dimension 4550, with 2.5 GHz processor and 1 gb RAM
[16:51] <venik> same system on which I ran 7.04
[16:52] <frank_> alguirn me ayuda
[16:53] <frank_> como instalo firefox
[16:53] <venik> fomr Add/Remove Programs
[16:53] <frank_> ok
[16:54] <carlo> why the "wall" utility is unuseable?
[16:55] <frank_> como entro a un canal en español
[16:55] <DaSkreech> X314Z159: woah. So you are manually installing a new libgtk ?
[16:55] <DaSkreech> em00: YOur mac address is blacklisted?
[16:55] <em00> hm?
 whyyyyyyyyyy can i not get an ip!
[16:56] <em00> eh
[16:56] <venik> frank-- type /join #ChannelName
[16:56] <DaSkreech> !es | frank_
[16:56] <ubotu> frank_: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[16:56] <em00> im just gonna reinstall the whole thing
[16:56] <em00> its a fresh install anyway
[16:56] <em00> im not losing anything
[16:56] <frank_> ok
[16:56] <frank_> gracias
[16:57] <venik> so I take it that ppl have not reported a significant slowing down from 7.04 to 7.10?
[16:57] <hydrogen> no
[16:57] <smorg> venik: I haven't noticed anything... why?
[16:57] <X314Z159> DaSkreech: well. no I'm manually installing a old libgtk -.-
[16:58] <venik> I have, so I was wondering why 7.10 is slower on my system
[16:58] <venik> especially in browsers
[16:58] <smorg> yes I have noticed that too, but only since installing compiz
[16:58] <W8TAH|Class> venik: mine is faster if anything
[16:59] <venik> I did not install any of those fancy things
[16:59] <smorg> hm
[16:59] <smorg> check out kde system guard?
[16:59] <venik> W8TAH-- did you UPGRADE or installed fresh?
[16:59] <smorg> see if anything is being a hog
[16:59] <supert0nes> does anyone know why kaffeine brings up shadow windows in compiz that even after closing the program dont go away?
[16:59] <X314Z159> DaSkreech: and the issue is that there is a newer version so it wont install the old one.
[16:59] <venik> smorg-- How do I do that?
[16:59] <smorg> k menu/system
[17:00] <smorg> its a nice front end for ps basically
[17:00] <hydrogen> ctrl-escape works as well
[17:01] <smorg> ah thx for the tip hydrogen ^^
[17:01] <venik> Thanks-- ctrl-escape seems a useful thing
[17:02] <smorg> on that note... anyone happen to know why compiz makes firefox so godaweful slow for me?
[17:02] <smorg> particularly just page scrolling
[17:02] <smorg> I don't think it has anything to do with the slider widget since nothing else is as bad as firefox
[17:03] <venik> what process is artsd?  That one seems busy
[17:04] <smorg> its a daemon for sound hardware
[17:04] <jpatrick> venik: artsd is the sound server
[17:05] <smorg> I had some major issues with it for a long time after installing the opensound driver for my audio interface
[17:08] <venik> what are the different colors in the System Load display (for physical memory)?
[17:09] <DaSkreech> X314Z159: Why do you want an old one?
[17:10] <supert0nes> so no one else gets shadow windows when openning kaffeine in compiz?
[17:10] <venik> so-- running only Konversation and the System Guard, uses up 647 mb of RAM...!
[17:11] <smorg> wow man
[17:11] <venik> I usually also have Opera, Firefox, and Thunderbird open, when I am not using OpenOffice or Latex editing
[17:11] <Chousuke> venik: are you sure it's not cache?
[17:11] <smorg> i've got vmware running xp going fullscreen on my other desktop and firefox, dolphin, and irc on this one
[17:11] <venik> this system is a memory hog!
[17:11] <smorg> and i've only got 512 mb of ram
[17:11] <Chousuke> venik: how much RAM do you have?
[17:11] <smorg> runs without toooo much swapping
[17:11] <venik> 1 gb
[17:12] <pass> dolphin sucks. period.
[17:12] <Chousuke> venik: well then that sounds about right.
[17:12] <venik> I agree-- it seems very sluggish
[17:12] <pass> no multi tabbing, crashes.
[17:12] <Chousuke> venik: assuming it's cache
[17:12] <smorg> Pass: I like it better than konq file browser
[17:12] <pass> smorg: it crash!
[17:12] <smorg> never for me
[17:12] <pass> smorg: and no multi tabbing
[17:12] <Chousuke> venik: what does "top" say about memory usage?
[17:12] <venik> I actually prefer Krusader-- more like to good old Norton COmmander
[17:12] <DaSkreech> venik: Being a memory hog is a good thing
[17:12] <venik> top?
[17:12] <pass> smorg: and it creates those anooying .dol3phin files
[17:13] <Chousuke> venik: run top in a terminal
[17:13] <smorg> yeah I should really start looking into a better alterntive
[17:13] <Chousuke> and paste the lines at the top that have stuff about memory.
[17:13] <pass> smorg: :-D
[17:13] <smorg> is there anything more remanicint of windows explorer with mulitple tree views that also supports tabs?
[17:14] <smorg> thats the one gripe i have with all of the linux graphical filesystem browsers so far is that even if there are multiple tree views, they run independantly
[17:14] <venik> 106 total running, average load 0.16 (with only two apps running
[17:14] <Chousuke> venik: memory usage, not process statistics :P
[17:14] <smorg> not like explorer where theres one for folders and one for files within folders
[17:14] <Chousuke> venik: anyway, as long as your machine isn't swapping, you can just ignore the fact that apps use memory at all.
[17:14] <DaSkreech> smorg: Konqui?
[17:15] <Chousuke> venik: it simply doesn't matter :)
[17:15] <smorg> possibly
[17:15] <pass> smorg: you can run indipendent process for folder browsing with windows explorer as well
[17:15] <venik> 650mb used-- same as the GUI program said
[17:15] <Chousuke> venik: paste the whole line
[17:16] <Chousuke> venik: what I'm suggesting here is that most of that 650MB is cache.
[17:16] <Chousuke> venik: which you want it to be.
[17:17] <Chousuke> I mean, if you have 1GB of RAM, and only 512MB is used, what is the other half, if not useless?
[17:17] <pass> linux uses 100% ram all the time, apps, cache and buffered ram.
[17:17] <Chousuke> pass: well, close to 100% anyway
[17:17] <Chousuke> using 100% all the time would be ideal, but pretty difficult to achieve /:
[17:18] <pass> ok 99% if u insist.
[17:18] <venik> The konsole won't let me copy and paste the line, but it says that 650 mb is used, 379 are available
[17:18] <Chousuke> venik: what does it say about cache?
[17:19] <Chousuke> venik: also, copying the line is just painting it with the mouse
[17:19] <Chousuke> venik: middle-click pastes :)
[17:19] <DaSkreech> X314Z159: Still there?
[17:20] <Chousuke> venik: anyway, as long as you have some free RAM and you're not swapping, there's not problem.
[17:20] <Chousuke> -t
[17:20] <DaSkreech> venik: if you open like 5 more apps
[17:20] <DaSkreech>  It will probably use thesame amount
[17:20] <venik> when they learn to program, this could work.  Anyway, swap: 3028212k total; 35488 used
[17:21] <pass> venik: open konsole and type: free
[17:21] <pass> copy and paste the line here
[17:21] <venik> no-- when I had TB, Opera and Firefox open, it was using 850mb
[17:21] <Chousuke> venik: that sounds fine. you have a lot of swap though :P
[17:21] <ftacolombia> hola pietro
[17:21] <kamui> I just started working with permissions...is there a way to make files inherit the group and permissions of its parent folder by default?
[17:21] <Chousuke> venik: still okay, as long as it's not swapping actively :)
[17:22] <Chousuke> and you will notice when it starts swapping
[17:22] <venik>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[17:22] <venik> Mem:       1035144     655684     379460          0      25748     431420
[17:22] <venik> -/+ buffers/cache:     198516     836628
[17:22] <venik> Swap:      3028212      35488    2992724
[17:22] <Chousuke> so yeah
[17:22] <venik> yes, I understand the concept of swapping when RAM is exhausted
[17:23] <JuJuBee> I jsut installed a smartboard in my classroom.  How do I make the SMARTBoardService startup when I boot the computer?  I have to start it manually now...
[17:23] <Chousuke> hmm, I'm not so sure I understand free's output properly
[17:23] <pass> what is there to understand?
[17:23] <Chousuke> well, the -/+ buffers/cache part
[17:24] <pass> USED ram - cached ram - buffers ram = ram being used by applications
[17:24] <DaSkreech> kamui: yes
[17:24] <DaSkreech> !permissions
[17:24] <Chousuke> does it mean his "real" RAM usage is about 200MB? :)
[17:24] <ubotu> The files and directories on an Ubuntu system are organized according to a standard, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard - file permissions are explained at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions - All filenames and directory names (and many other things) are case sensitive in Linux
[17:24] <Chousuke> doesn't sound too bad :P
[17:24] <pass>  <venik> -/+ buffers/cache:     198516     836628     this means:
[17:24] <pass> 198516 ram is used by apps
[17:24] <Chousuke> heh
[17:24] <pass> 836628 ram free
[17:25] <pass> d'accord?
[17:25] <Chousuke> okay
[17:25] <Chousuke> so no problem :P
[17:25] <venik> the only two things I am running is Konversation (so I could type to you'all) and The SystemGuard
[17:25] <pass> yep, no problem at all.
[17:25] <venik> I am glad you are happy-- so why is it slower than 7.04?
[17:25] <Chousuke> venik: you're also running a ~100 other processes
[17:25] <pass> venik, it's ok. you got 836628 ram free and only 198516 is being used by applications
[17:25] <smorg> how do you change the default program that the kde shell runs programs in
[17:25] <venik> correction: LINUX is running those
[17:26] <Chousuke> well you're running KDE too
[17:26] <venik> ;-(
[17:26] <Chousuke> that makes up about ~20 processes
[17:26] <Chousuke> of not mre.
[17:26] <Chousuke> if not more'
[17:26] <smorg> aah nvm
[17:26] <smorg> 'remember application type'
[17:26] <Chousuke> venik: anyway, slowness may be just because of slow app code.
[17:27] <venik> ok, guys.  THanks for the help.  I was just wondering whether I was alone in this, or others have noticed a slowing down upun Upgrading
[17:27] <Chousuke> venik: but it's definitely not because you're running out of RAM :)
[17:27] <venik> maybe the new versions of Opera and Firefox are slower
[17:27] <venik> that is always a possibility
[17:27] <pass> actually since i gone to 7.10 it is much faster for me
[17:27] <lg188> hy wat is a game channel ?
[17:27] <blendtux> how can i remove, the module for the soundcard
[17:28] <pass> probemod -r XXX
[17:28] <dfaure> he means modprobe :)
[17:28] <pass> oh oops
[17:28] <pass> ye
[17:29] <pass> modprobe -r XXX
[17:29] <blendtux> yes but its saying that the module is in use, how can i see wich proces are using a certain module
[17:29] <pass> but it will only remove it NOW, not in startup
[17:29] <blendtux> i know i have to play with the index, to get my cards loaded in the way i want
[17:29] <pass> lsmod to see what other modules use it
[17:30] <blendtux> what i dont understand is that linux is still not good with multiple sound devices
[17:31] <blendtux> for example when i plugin my usb headset, you would expect that you get the sound in your headset but no, you have to configure config files by hand, remove modules and load the modules for the headset again :(
[17:31] <blendtux> something so trivial, its like if the developers at cananocal dont use headsets
[17:38] <hdevalence> how do i set an ext3 partition in the fstab so it will be  writable by my normal user
[17:39] <nocivo> kde ? gnome?
[17:39] <nocivo> hi
[17:39] <llutz> hdevalence: use chown/chmod to do so
[17:39] <nocivo> i can ubuntu.
[17:39] <nocivo> for install kde in ubuntu is? sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[17:40] <hdevalence> llutz: won't I have to do that every time I boot though?
[17:40] <llutz> hdevalence: it's not job of fstab because ext3 is a linux-filesystem with rights-management
[17:40] <llutz> hdevalence: no, why should you?
[17:40] <llutz> hdevalence: mount it and set desired permissions then
[17:41] <hdevalence> llutz so if I mount it in /home/harry/vm and that dir is owned by me, when it mounts, i will have write access?
[17:42] <llutz> hdevalence: no
[17:42] <hdevalence> so I need to chmod after I mount it?
[17:43] <llutz> hdevalence: example: sudo mount /dev/sdXY /home/harry/vm  && sudo chown -R harry:harry /home/harry/vm
[17:44] <llutz> hdevalence: makes you owner of that dir (mounted partition)
[17:44] <llutz> hdevalence: but be carefull, it changes ownership of all existant files. maybe not what you want
[17:45] <DaSkreech> blendtux: lsmod
[17:45] <hdevalence> llutz: it's ok, it's a new partition
[17:45] <blendtux> i have it already
[17:45] <DaSkreech> nocivo: yes sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[17:45] <blendtux> i needed to know wich process are using my sound module
[17:46] <blendtux> wich i can find out with lsof /dev/snd/*
[17:46] <blendtux> nd then i can remove the module
[17:46] <mneisen> Hi, i use bzr and bzrtools on Kubuntu. My problem: bzr is always released well before bzrtools, so apt wants to upgrade bzr and remove bzrtools. Is there any way to solve this?
[17:47] <cedur> well, hello
[17:48] <e-m00> hi cedur
[17:48] <cedur> e-m00...
[17:48] <cedur> well
[17:48] <cedur> is that supposed to remind of emo, or something? (just asking)
[17:49] <e-m00> no :P
[17:49] <e-m00> everyone asks me that]
[17:49] <nocivo> Daskreech thanks
[17:49] <rgreening> It's cow-mail
[17:49] <rgreening> e-mooo
[17:49] <cedur> well
[17:49] <resakse> hi...anyone know how to make dolphin display 3gp as thumbnail like nautilus?
[17:49] <cedur> quite orginal nick : d
[17:49] <e-m00> #$%$^&*%*$^ LAPTOP
[17:49] <e-m00> BAH
[17:50] <e-m00> the stupid power connector on the inside is snapped
[17:50] <rgreening> Anyone here fluent with NetworkManager/Knetworkmanager?
[17:50] <e-m00> so it doesnt always make contact with the mobo
[17:50] <e-m00> and it randomly loses connection
[17:50] <e-m00> and battery stops charging >.<
[17:51] <cedur> omigod, im sooooo newbie
[17:51] <andyho623> hey everyone!!can someone help me out with a quick external usb issue?!I have it mounted but it keeps telling me Idon't have access rights
[17:51] <cedur> that i don't understand what are most of you talking
[17:51] <e-m00> haha cedur
[17:51] <cedur> well
[17:51] <rgreening> andyho623: whats the device
[17:51] <e-m00> rgreening what about networkmanager
[17:51] <DaSkreech> cedur: Hang out here after like 2 weeks things all make sense
[17:51] <rgreening> andyho623: and can you provide output of lsusb
[17:51] <cedur> lol
[17:52] <DaSkreech> cedur: You will even be helping people who say they are newbs :)
[17:52] <slow-motion> bbl
[17:52] <DaSkreech> andyho623: How did you mount it?
[17:52] <andyho623> it's a maxtor usb hdd.. it's /dev/sdb1
[17:52] <cedur> who have 7.10 now?
[17:52]  * e-m00 is running 7.10
[17:52] <resakse> well...i guess dolphine cant display 3GP files as a thumbnail then
[17:52]  * resakse 7.10
[17:52] <andyho623> mount -t ntfs /dev/sdb1 /media/usbdrive
[17:52] <rgreening> e-m00: was having an issue with wifes laptop not seeing any networks via wireless, even though they are broadcasted/announced
[17:53] <nosrednaekim> andyho623: you only mounted it with root permissions,that means you must read it as root
[17:53] <e-m00> rgreening what wireless card do you have (i just fixed a very similar issue myself)
[17:53] <nosrednaekim> rgreening: what does "iwlist <network device name> scan" say?
[17:53] <rgreening> e-m00: It's an IPN 2220 with ndisdriver
[17:53] <andyho623> how do Iread it as root?
[17:53] <rgreening> unfortunately
[17:53] <cedur> soon I'll get the 7.10 and then ill rule the world!
[17:54] <X314Z159> DaSkreech: ah. im here to and from. i want the old one so i can install mjpegtools 1.8 ^^
[17:54] <e-m00> mmm
[17:54] <e-m00> using ndiswrapper then?
[17:54] <rgreening> e-m00: yeah... exactly. I've tried every trick I can remember.
[17:54] <andyho623> ohh geez.. duh.. I'm assuming Ijust need to cd the dir... right?
[17:55] <DaSkreech> X314Z159: Just apt-get it
[17:55] <rgreening> e-m00: I've ben playing with NetworkManager/Knetworkmanager under Gentoo for a while and just recently did an install of Kubuntu for my wife...
[17:55] <DaSkreech> andyho623: IT's a ntfs drive ?
[17:55] <rgreening> e-m00: on my laptop, I have the Intel 3945.. works flawless under Gentoo and Kubuntu
[17:55] <nosrednaekim> andyho623: run "kdesudo dolphin"
[17:55] <DaSkreech> cedur: Till 8.10 comes out
[17:55] <andyho623> yes.. and I already installed ntfs-3g
[17:55] <cedur> yer, tr00
[17:56] <andyho623> ok nos..
[17:56] <cedur> well
[17:56] <gilles_> I couldn't have the 3d with my nvidia 7600 gs and today I do an update of nvidia-glx-new and other 2 package but I have errors : /sbin/ldconfig.real: /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1.0.9755 is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start.
[17:56] <e-m00> rgreening im assuming you followed the ndiswrapper guide verbatim
[17:56] <gilles_> I don't understand what it is ?
[17:57] <e-m00> rgreening do iwconfig and whatever interface the wireless is do iwlist <interface> scan
[17:57] <e-m00> and see if it comes up with anything
[17:57] <rgreening> e-m00: yep. I've used it in the past prior to Knetworkmanager. I can even connect if I do everything either Manual or simply tell it the ESSID. It just doesn't see the broadcaseted ESSID's,not do any auto connect...
[17:58] <nosrednaekim> rgreening: does iwlist scan show anything?
[17:58] <rgreening> nosrednaekim: yes. It works... just doesn't show the ESSID's in list
[17:58] <rgreening> weird
[17:58] <e-m00> that is weird
[17:59] <andyho623> ok.. even with dolphin it's not letting me in the drive
[17:59] <rgreening> I've been playing with it for a while. I don't want to use wicd, bit I may have to
[17:59] <nosrednaekim> rgreening: whats it say..."hidden"?
[17:59] <rgreening> nosrednaekim : no. they are all broadcast visible
[17:59] <rgreening> nosrednaekim  : I have my laptop on same network and it works and sees about 10 different AP's
[18:00] <rgreening> And Im running same Kubuntu 7.10
[18:00] <rgreening> :)
[18:00] <mneisen> Hi, i use bzr and bzrtools on Kubuntu. My problem: bzr is always released well before bzrtools, so apt wants to upgrade bzr and remove bzrtools. Is there any way to solve this?
[18:00] <andyho623> I still get Unable to enter file://media/sdf1. You do not have access rights to this location.
[18:00] <nosrednaekim> andyho623: go into system settings->advanced->disks and partitions and set a mount point/do it right, from there
[18:01] <andyho623> yes I already set the mount point from there and enabled it
[18:02] <nosrednaekim> andyho623: did you set ti to be able to be mounted and acecssed by all users?
[18:03] <eagles0513875> is anyone having issues in gutsy 64bit
[18:03] <eagles0513875> with amarok
[18:03] <eagles0513875> not amarok azureus
[18:03] <nosrednaekim> eagles0513875: nope
[18:03] <nosrednaekim> eagles0513875: that would be java, correct?
[18:03] <eagles0513875> azureus is a java bit torrent client
[18:04] <andyho623> nos:yes I set the mount permission as any user may enable/disable
[18:04] <eagles0513875> for me azureus starts then shuts down
[18:04] <eagles0513875> what other bit torrent clients r the for kubuntu
[18:05] <Cthuloid> ktorrent, eagles0512875
[18:05] <eagles0513875> Cthuloid: anything else besides ktorrent
[18:06] <Cthuloid> rtorrent, if you want to go console based
[18:06] <eagles0513875> Cthuloid: thats gotta be quite interesting to use lol
[18:06] <Greeny> kTorrent is like Azureus w/o java
[18:07] <Cthuloid> I use it via Screen from work quite often
[18:07] <scirer> hello
[18:07] <scirer> which is root password in live cd?
[18:07] <cedur> yes! im back!
[18:07] <eagles0513875> where can i get the azureus source code from
[18:07] <nosrednaekim> !tab | andyho623
[18:07] <ubotu> andyho623: You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[18:08] <cedur> if wine in 7.10 will not worc good i will be back to windows >:((
[18:08] <nosrednaekim> scirer: is none...use sudo
[18:08] <eagles0513875> cuz since im learning java might as well put what ive been learning in my java class to good use and debug it
[18:08] <scirer> tnx
[18:08] <Cthuloid> cedur: what are you trying to run?
[18:09] <cedur> EVERYTHING
[18:09] <eagles0513875> where do i get frostwire from
[18:09] <nosrednaekim> andyho623: try rebooting....sometimes fstab needs a restart
[18:09] <LjL> !frostwire
[18:09] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[18:09] <cedur> even wingows (TM)(*R)(C) saper is not working on my wine
[18:09] <cedur> and it make it suck
[18:10] <hdevalence> !info frostwire
[18:10] <ubotu> Package frostwire does not exist in gutsy
[18:10] <andyho623> nosrednaekim: yeah I tried going that route too figuring maybe if Ihad it just boot up with the machine that it would work :/
[18:10] <cedur> well
[18:10] <nosrednaekim> andyho623: ah... ok.
[18:11] <nosrednaekim> now why did you mount it using that command if you could simply enable it in disks and partitions?
[18:11] <cedur> can someone tell me how to run wirtual machine on  ubuntu or kubuntu?
[18:11] <eagles0513875> do i have to use alien to convert the .deb pkg then install it
[18:11] <nosrednaekim> !virtualbox
[18:11] <ubotu> VirtualBox is open-source virtualization software for x86, with a proprietary "enterprise" version sporting additional features. Packages for Ubuntu are provided by the makers at http://www.virtualbox.org/ - Setup details at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/VirtualBox
[18:11] <cedur> yay, thx
[18:11] <Captain_Haddock> Anyone familiar with Ksysguard? I can't seem to find the section for temperature monitors? It apparently should be under ACPI, but there is no such section.
[18:11] <andyho623> nos because that's what I was able to find and usually I like trying to figure out the terminal commands :)
[18:12] <nosrednaekim> andyho623: but that just ignores the fstab..
[18:12] <andyho623> even if you change the fstab in terminal??
[18:12] <JohnFlux> Captain_Haddock: do you have /proc/acpi ?
[18:13] <Captain_Haddock> JohnFlux: yes
[18:13] <MagicCow> I've used Madwifi with no problem in standard Ubuntu, when I decided to install Kubuntu though, I just can't seem to get it to work.  I get all the drivers installed, but when it's time to bring up my wireless connection, I get this:
[18:13] <MagicCow> desktop:~/Downloads/madwifi-0.9.3.3$ sudo ifconfig ath0 up
[18:13] <MagicCow> ath0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
[18:14] <Captain_Haddock> JohnFlux: I see a thermal_zone directory under it.
[18:14] <nosrednaekim> andyho623: correct
[18:14] <Captain_Haddock> JohnFlux: processor, thermal..., fan, battery, button etc.
[18:14] <nosrednaekim> Captain_Haddock: you may need to enable some sensors
[18:14] <nosrednaekim> !sensors
[18:14] <ubotu> You might find something useful at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SensorInstallHowto
[18:15] <JohnFlux> Captain_Haddock: in ksysguard, there should be an lmsensors 'directory'
[18:15] <nosrednaekim> MagicCow: did you modprobe it?
[18:15] <dave> is it possible to install realplayer on kubuntu gutsy?
[18:15] <MagicCow> Yes, I did.
[18:15] <Captain_Haddock> JohnFlux: I tried installing ksensors earlier which apparently installs the lm-sensor library. But there were no temperature options there either.
[18:16] <JohnFlux> Captain_Haddock: try what nosrednaekim said
[18:16] <JohnFlux> Captain_Haddock: don't know otherwise sorry
[18:16] <LjL> !real | dave
[18:17] <Captain_Haddock> JohnFlux: I'm reading up, thanks.
[18:17] <ubotu> dave: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[18:17] <eagles0513875> !kde4
[18:17] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. Beta 3 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta3.php
[18:17] <dave> lji, thanks
[18:17] <nosrednaekim> MagicCow: does the defualt madwifi driver not work? I noticed it seems you compiled it yourself
[18:17] <MagicCow> Well, I had heard that it should work out of the package, but it did not seem to.
[18:18] <MagicCow> So yes, I compiled it.
[18:18] <soulrider> !compiz
[18:18] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[18:18] <MagicCow> And I've compiled it before in Ubuntu, never seemed to have a problem. I did have to install a few packages in Kubuntu that I didn't in ubuntu.
[18:19] <blendtux> yeah it seems that kubuntu is a second rated ubuntu, we are behind several months
[18:19] <JohnFlux> blendtux: i agree, but not in this case
[18:19] <supert0nes> we are waiting for kde4
[18:19] <JohnFlux> right
[18:20] <JohnFlux> blendtux: kde4 will have its own comp manager.  just means being patient for year though :(
[18:20] <JohnFlux> well, 6 months
[18:20] <MagicCow> I thought that gnome was pretty slow.
[18:20] <dave> ljl, yeah it works fine in ubuntu but when i try to install it on kubuntu gutsy it complains about a file that cannot be found in adept?
[18:20] <MagicCow> KDE seems a lot faster.
[18:20] <nosrednaekim> MagicCow: disable the default restricted driver in /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules
[18:20] <MagicCow> k
[18:21] <nosrednaekim> dave: which one.
[18:21] <dave> mosrednaekim, justa sec
[18:22] <rgreening> compiz works fine here.
[18:22] <rgreening> After installing it, I ran compiz --replace &
[18:22] <rgreening> in a run command to verify
[18:22] <rgreening> Picked up my kde wondow decorations fine
[18:23] <dave> nosrednaekim, the libstdc++.so.5
[18:24] <nosrednaekim> dave: search for libstdc in adept
[18:24] <dave> ok
[18:24] <Captain_Haddock> JohnFlux, nosrednaekim: The first comment on that page provided a nice and simple solution - thanks!
[18:25] <nosrednaekim> Captain_Haddock: NP
[18:25] <JohnFlux> Captain_Haddock: what was the solution? :-D
[18:25] <JohnFlux> bah I don't even know these things
[18:25] <JohnFlux> Captain_Haddock: the embarrassing part is i'm the ksysguard guy ;-)
[18:25] <Captain_Haddock> JohnFlux: installing lm-sensors and just running sudo sensor-detect and answering yes to everything :)
[18:26] <JohnFlux> Hmm
[18:26] <JohnFlux> I should try to add that in somehow :)
[18:26] <Captain_Haddock> Then I did a sudo modprobe <newly detected stuff> to enable them
[18:26] <JohnFlux> Captain_Haddock: don't suppose you want to go to bugs.kde.org  and file a bug report at it and how you fixed it :)
[18:27] <BluesKaj> latest rumour about KDE4 is the official release date no longer being speculated by the devs ...speculation about a dateis being discouraged due to the many probs early adopters and testers are encountering.
[18:27] <Captain_Haddock> JohnFlux: I think I even have an account there - sure :) (and thanks for the app - it's pretty nifty :)
[18:27] <dave> nosrednaekim,thanks
[18:28] <nosrednaekim> dave: found it?
[18:28] <JohnFlux> BluesKaj: I was never cc'ed to that email thread obviously :-D
[18:28] <dave> nosrednaekim, yeah, i have version 6 installed but its looking for 5
[18:28] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: you're speculating ;)
[18:29] <nosrednaekim> dave: probably close enough... symbolic lik the two
[18:29] <nosrednaekim> *link
[18:29] <Greeny> could anyone suggest a good desktop widget app
[18:29] <JohnFlux> I can see that they might try to be a month late or whatever
[18:29] <Greeny> for kde obviously
[18:29] <e-m00> hmmm
[18:29] <JohnFlux> but it's important to get a release, to get people porting to it
[18:29] <nosrednaekim> Greeny: super karamba
[18:29] <dave> nosrednaekim,how do i di that?
[18:29] <nosrednaekim> dave: just a sec..
[18:30] <e-m00> on boot: "configuration file /home/matt/.kde/share/config/restricted-manager-kderc not writable"
[18:30] <Greeny> I was just looking at that nosrednaekim, thanks ;)
[18:30] <e-m00> whats this mean?
[18:30] <cedur> yawn, im back!
[18:30] <dave> nosrednaekim,ok
[18:31] <nosrednaekim> e-m00: you are starting the RM without root permissions when last time you started it WITH root permissions... its not dangerous
[18:31] <e-m00> hmm
[18:31] <e-m00> im assuming its why my wireless went kablooey
[18:31] <kenny> does someone know a counter strike channel?????
[18:32] <nosrednaekim> dave: umm never mind, install version 5, its in the repositories
[18:32] <e-m00> time to install fresh again! (this is only 5 minutes after the last fresh install, so no panic doing so) :P
[18:32] <nosrednaekim> e-m00: nope... that should affect that
[18:32] <kenny> does someone know a counter strike channel?????
[18:32] <dave> nosrednaekim, ok, do i need the development files also?
[18:32] <e-m00> oh well
[18:34] <nosrednaekim> dave: for realplayer? no
[18:34] <dave> nosrednaekim, ok thanks for the help
[18:34] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim,, yes , but it's called informed speculation . I t's aconclusion I've come to after reading interviews and blogs with developers ...They're very non-commital about a release date :)
[18:35] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: :D
[18:37] <andyho623> nos you still around? What do I need to alter in my fstab to get this to work?
[18:38] <nosrednaekim> andyho623: nothing... you should be able to just plug it in if you have it set up correctly in disks and filesystems(which modifies the fstab)
[18:39] <tonynlisa> What are the package names i need to apt-get to try the KDE4 Beta?
[18:39] <nosrednaekim> !kde4 | tonynlisa
[18:39] <ubotu> tonynlisa: KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. Beta 3 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta3.php
[18:39] <andyho623> nosrednaekim: so just restart basically? LOL
[18:40] <nosrednaekim> andyho623: well, to get rid of any changes that aren't actually in the fstab, yes, thats the easiest way.
[18:40] <tonynlisa> Rad. TY
[18:40] <andyho623> ok... brb! :)
[18:41] <dave> nosrednaekim, it keeps asking me for my gutsy cd and  i put it in and it asks for it again
[18:41] <nosrednaekim> andyho623: leave the usb drive plugged in
[18:41] <nosrednaekim> dave: get rid of the CD from your respoitories
[18:41] <dave> nosrednaekim,ohhhh,ok
[18:42] <nosrednaekim> dave: you know how to do that?
[18:42] <dave> yes
[18:42] <ishumaru> can someone explain what this is for?
[18:42] <MagicCow> I know this is opening a can of worms, but I am new to linux and doing the "Newbie Tour" so far I've only tried Ubuntu and Kubuntu, what are some of the other recommended distros? I was curious about Mandriva, OpenSUSE, and PClinux.
[18:42] <eagles0513875> anyone that work for canonical in here
[18:43] <MagicCow> Probably settle on something with KDE though.
[18:43] <eagles0513875> MagicCow: alot of the others are rather resource intensive
[18:43] <jpatrick> eagles0513875: why?
[18:43] <mike-kubuntu> hey guys, i just put in a new nvidia video card
[18:43] <MagicCow> That's definately something I want to stay away from.
[18:43] <DaSkreech> X314Z159: Passing through
[18:43] <DaSkreech> X314Z159: did you apt-get it?
[18:43] <MagicCow> Would you say Ubuntu is the best balance between pretty and quick?
[18:43] <eagles0513875> jpatrick: j/w cuz i read in a linux magazine that canonical is looking to create a mobile platform and i think i just found something that might rocket them forward on that development front
[18:43] <eagles0513875> jpatrick: its also something open source
[18:43] <mike-kubuntu> and lspci makes it out to be a vga compatable controller: nvidia Coorperation GeForce 8600 gts (rev a1)
[18:44] <blendtux> MagicCow: it does not matter what distro you use, as long as you use kde as your desktop :)
[18:44] <mike-kubuntu> and i no longer have glx on display 0:0
[18:44] <nosrednaekim> MagicCow: PClinux OS is nice and polished, not aas many apps tho.
[18:44] <webvictim> mike-kubuntu: using the right driver?
[18:44] <MagicCow> Aye, I would tend to agree :P
[18:44] <Ace2016> MagicCow: try debian, its ubuntu but you never have to reinstall, but you will notice the difference between kubuntu's kde and debian's unmodified stock kde, the thing i miss most is the ctrl+alt+delete in kubuntu
[18:44] <eagles0513875> MagicCow: kubuntu is the least resource intensive that ive found
[18:44] <jpatrick> nosrednaekim: that's cos they don't have me :)
[18:44] <mike-kubuntu> it shoudl be using nvidia's binary drivers, its what my last card was on and i just rebooted
[18:44] <nosrednaekim> mike-kubuntu: you need nvidia-glx-new
[18:44] <mike-kubuntu> do i need to run a dpkg-reconfigure on them?
[18:44] <dave> nosrednaekim, should i delete them or just uncheck them?
[18:44] <nosrednaekim> jpatrick: haha
[18:44] <nosrednaekim> dave: uncheck will work
[18:45] <mike-kubuntu> nosradnaekim: they just added support?
[18:45] <dave> nosrednaekim, ok thnaks again
[18:45] <dave> *thanks
[18:45] <DaSkreech> MagicCow: Maci si the best balance between Pretty and quick
[18:45] <MagicCow> Yeah, Kubuntu is nice.. I have had a little trouble getting some things to work properly, so I feel a slight bit of annoyance.
[18:45] <MagicCow> Hmm, never heard of that one.
[18:45] <TheGateKeeper> MagicCow: cut your teeth on (k)ubuntu then try installing Arch & maybe even gentoo
[18:46] <MagicCow> okay, I'll give it a go.
[18:46] <mike-kubuntu> ok, gonna try a restart
[18:46] <mike-kubuntu> brb
[18:46] <TheGateKeeper> MagicCow: really depends what you want from your distro
[18:47] <nosrednaekim> MagicCow: if you mean you had problems with your wireless, then that is VERY normal
[18:47] <MagicCow> Something that isn't a bare bones distro, but isn't a resource hog, and one that caters to the beginner. I liked ubuntu, but I found Gnome to be too slow, and Kubuntu seems great.. minus some of the problems.
[18:48] <MagicCow> nosrednaekim: Aye, that is what I mean. The restricted drivers thing.. couldn't figure that out.
[18:48] <MagicCow> I'm googling for a solution as we speak.
[18:48] <nosrednaekim> MagicCow: I just use ndiswrapper to make things easy
[18:48] <nosrednaekim> MagicCow: although my atheros is now supported
[18:48] <MagicCow> I tried that route, it didn't work, don't remember why.
[18:49] <MagicCow> Ah, yes, mine wasn't.
[18:49] <rfrancisco> hi
[18:50] <mike-kubuntu> installed nvidia-glx-new and its still not detected, is there a way i can check to make sure it's not still loading the old drivers?
[18:50] <nosrednaekim> mike-kubuntu: how did you load them?
[18:50] <mike-kubuntu> nosrednaekim: apt-get install nvidia-glx-new & reboot
[18:50] <nosrednaekim> mike-kubuntu: ah :) use the restricted-manager
[18:52] <nosrednaekim> MagicCow: ussually ndiswrapper works well... what atheros chipset do you have?
[18:52] <mike-kubuntu> aw, i think i messed up entering the kdesu password and now it wont let me into administrator mode, brb, gonna try a relogin
[18:53] <MagicCow> Ill find out
[18:54] <MagicCow> AR5416
[18:54] <nosrednaekim> MagicCow: never heard of it... is it a laptop?
[18:55] <MagicCow> No. PCI card.
[18:55] <MagicCow> On desktop
[18:55] <llutz> newst atheros chipsets, unsupported by madwifi, i guess
[18:56] <nosrednaekim> MagicCow: probably too new yeah
[18:56] <Captain_Haddock> JohnFlux: still here?
[18:56] <MagicCow> I've had it working with madwifi in ubuntu
[18:56] <nosrednaekim> MagicCow: did you say you got it working before?
[18:56] <MagicCow> Yes.
[18:56] <MagicCow> For some reason Kubuntu doesn't see ath0.
[18:56] <MagicCow> Where ubuntu had no problem.
[18:57] <nosrednaekim> MagicCow: you should installubuntu then, and "apt-get install kubuntu"
[18:57] <nosrednaekim> "kubuntu-desktop"
[18:57] <MagicCow> I had done that, is there a way to get rid of all of the gnome programs then? It was too crowded, so I did a full install of kubuntu.
[18:58] <Angelus> is it normal that kubuntu needs a reboot after using windows games and wine doesn't work anymore?
[18:58] <donsdw> After sfdisk -l, I get "Warning: extended partition does not start at a cylinder boundry".  Is this normal?
[18:59] <llutz> Angelus: doesn't wineboot work?
[18:59] <nosrednaekim> MagicCow: so it worked in kde then?
[18:59] <MagicCow> Yes sir.
[18:59] <Angelus> no man
[18:59] <Angelus> i do winecfg
[19:00] <Angelus> nothing comes u
[19:00] <Angelus> *up
[19:00] <Angelus> i need to reboot the godamn computer for wine to work proparly again
[19:00] <Jucato> MagicCow: try this: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[19:00] <llutz> Angelus: winecfg? you should use wineboot
[19:00] <nosrednaekim> MagicCow: hmmm are you sure it was working int he default install? did you try the command line?
[19:00] <MagicCow> In the default install of Ubuntu? I had to install the madwifi drivers, but it worked.
[19:01] <DaSkreech> !purekde | MagicCow
[19:01] <ubotu> MagicCow: purekde is If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE »
[19:01] <MagicCow> Hey, thanks.
[19:01] <MagicCow> That's perfect.
[19:01] <mike-kubuntu> cool, that worked, but for some reason i cant get into administrator mode, i had to use sudo restricted-manager-kde
[19:01] <mike-kubuntu> and i think i have to redo my usplash, anyone know the command for that?
[19:01] <nosrednaekim> mike-kubuntu: ah.. that probalem.. ok
[19:01] <MagicCow> Wish I knew that yesterday :D
[19:04] <mike-kubuntu> 1280 x 1024 is a valid screen resolution for a standard monitor, correct?
[19:04] <crazy6> okey dokey, so I used the Restriced Modules manager to turn off fglrx (thought it was breaking hibernation), but now what to do about restoring xorg.conf? I didn't explicitely make a backup;
[19:04] <nosrednaekim> mike-kubuntu: if it supports that... yes
[19:05] <nosrednaekim> mike-kubuntu: any modern LCD over 15 inches should work w/ that
[19:05] <JohnFlux> Captain_Haddock: here now - wassup?
[19:05] <nosrednaekim> crazy6: its crashing?
[19:06] <crazy6> nosrednaekim: doesn't start, saying fglrx isn't loaded... so I clearly still have the old config
[19:06] <crazy6> nosrednaekim: I didn't o a backup by hand; is there any way to re-run the auto-config that is done at install? or should I just reinstall now and save time?
[19:07] <nosrednaekim> crazy6: yeah.. it redoes the config when you uninstall it, it should be ok
[19:07] <Captain_Haddock> JohnFlux: Not sure if this should be a separate bug report or if it has been resolved in a subsequent release (this is 1.2.0) - but once I ran modprobe and restarted Ksysguard, I could access the new sensors. But dragging them to the Panel applet resulted in a blank display (with the lightning icon).
[19:07] <crazy6> nosrednaekim: oh I meant reinstall all of ubuntu; which package is it?
[19:07] <Captain_Haddock> JohnFlux: I had to re-add the applet for it to take effect (or I suspect, restart KDE).
[19:08] <perrako> How do I get my media keys working? I've set up an Xmodmap to the normal XF86 stuff, but mute still doesn't work
[19:08] <nosrednaekim> crazy6: wait what? you want to reinstall fglrx?
[19:08] <perrako> for volume up and down, I also don't get an OSD. The global shortcuts are set up right in kmix, too.
[19:08] <nosrednaekim> !hotkeys
[19:08] <ubotu> keyboard shortcuts can be set in K -> System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse. Try also "Input Actions" in KControl. If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try the 'keytouch' package, explained at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KDEMultimediaKeys - See !Keyboard for changing layouts
[19:08] <JohnFlux> Captain_Haddock: hmm yes.  file a bug report for that too :)
[19:08] <crazy6> nosrednaekim: nah,I want to get rid of it; you said I should uninstall the package, and I can't remember what name it was...
[19:08] <Captain_Haddock> JohnFlux: okie dokie :)
[19:09] <nosrednaekim> crazy6: oh.... you are using it right now?
[19:09] <louis_> hallo frank
[19:09] <crazy6> nosrednaekim: nah, disabled, managed to get X to start but it's in super low res
[19:09] <crazy6> and kdm won't start for some reason
[19:09] <nosrednaekim> crazy6: ah! run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and select the driver called "ati"
[19:12] <crazy6> nosrednaekim: aha, that seemed to take care of it
[19:12] <crazy6> thanks
[19:13] <crazy6> now I'm back to my awesome crazy-high resolution
[19:14] <nosrednaekim> :)
[19:14] <vers> how do i change my system password?
[19:14] <BluesKaj> crazy6, try admin mode and configure your graphics card , then your res options be greater
[19:16] <vzduch> vers: either 'system-config-users' in gksu/kdesu, or log in as the user whose pwd you wish to change, type 'passwd' in a terminal and follow the instructions
[19:16] <vzduch> ah, wrong channel.. but 'passwd' should do
[19:16] <BluesKaj> crazy6, I'm running 115x864 which is fine for 17" Mitsubishi Diamond Plus 73 altho it's just seen as a custom device in system hardware
[19:16] <BluesKaj> 1152 x 864
[19:18] <crazy6> this is runing at 1920xsomething
[19:20] <BluesKaj> crazy6, what available resolutions does the system settings/monitor&display show ?
[19:23] <crazy6> 1920x1200, 1280x800, 1280x768, and lower
[19:24] <perrako> Is there a way to just test KDE4? Like, put it on a separate session?
[19:25] <Captain_Haddock> perrako: I think there's a Live CD for the beta.
[19:25] <nosrednaekim> perrako: yes, thats how it works... or you could get the suse liveCD
[19:25] <perrako> k, thanks :)
[19:25] <perrako> I just wanted to try kde 4 beta without replacing my current kde
[19:25] <e-m00> woooooooot
[19:25]  * e-m00 just got wifi working
[19:26] <e-m00> WITH wpa
[19:26] <e-m00> :D
[19:26] <BluesKaj> crazy6, your aspect ratio is obviously 16x9...choose one that you like
[19:26] <MagicCow> Punk.
[19:26] <MagicCow> Madwifi?
[19:26] <nosrednaekim> w00t!
[19:26] <e-m00> not with madwifi
[19:26] <e-m00> just using knetworkmanager
[19:26] <MagicCow> Ah.
[19:26] <e-m00> and the windows driver
[19:26] <e-m00> for the wireless card
[19:26] <MagicCow> Hmm...
[19:27] <e-m00> quite easy actually
[19:27] <nosrednaekim> e-m00: yeah. I like ndiswrapper... hack that it is
[19:27] <MagicCow> Maybe I should try that.
[19:27] <MagicCow> Oh.
[19:27] <rgreening> e-m00: do you see a list of AP's or did you have to click jion other netwoek/connection
[19:27] <matahari> hi
[19:27] <SudoKing> e-m00..Windows driver on Kubuntu?
[19:28] <e-m00> yes sudoking. just the .sys file
[19:28] <nosrednaekim> hi matahari
[19:28] <SudoKing> uh-huh
[19:29]  * nosrednaekim had to use the .inf file not the .sys file
[19:29] <matahari> i am having sound troubles in gutsy on my laoptop running a Conexant CX20549 chip. Sound worked for a week now - and suddenly it stopped. i compiled a new alsa-driver, but the issue is still the same - no sound...
[19:29] <matahari> does anyone have an idea what i could check?
[19:29] <e-m00> yeah ndiswrapper uses the inf
[19:29] <Captain_Haddock> JohnFlux: 2 reports added. If you have time, can I run a few other issues by you right here before creating bug reports?
[19:29] <nosrednaekim> matahari: any recent kernel updates?
[19:29] <matahari> nosrednaekim: i don't know...
[19:29] <matahari> nosrednaekim: i did the update that were provided automatically
[19:30] <nosrednaekim> matahari: did you do that recently?
[19:30] <matahari> nosrednaekim: i didn't check them (i know - stupid)
[19:30] <matahari> nosrednaekim: yes
[19:30] <nosrednaekim> no... thats ok :)
[19:30] <nosrednaekim> matahari: when you reboot, you should see a list of kernels in the grub menu
[19:30] <matahari> yes
[19:31] <matahari> nosrednaekim: but there is only the one kernel i have plus the recovery mode
[19:32] <crazy6> when I start up, all the pdf's I had open w/ kpdf no longer work, and each produce an error message; I assume this is because /tmp or wherever they are put is cleared out... is there a way to prevent that?
[19:33] <nosrednaekim> matahari: oh... ok
[19:35] <matahari> nosrednaekim: can i install a new kernel?
[19:35] <nosrednaekim> don't think that is the problem..
[19:35] <dave> how do i get the auto spell checking started in konversation?
[19:35] <Jucato> dave: right-click on the text input area
[19:35] <matahari> nosrednaekim: what else could it be?
[19:35] <BluesKaj> crazy6, that's cuz you edited the xorg file while you had pdf's open , close them andjust relogin
[19:35] <dave> jucato, i did but the spell checking above it is greyed out
[19:35] <nosrednaekim> matahari: is this a fresh install or an upgrade?
[19:35] <poison--> !partition
[19:35] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[19:36] <poison--> !DiskMounter
[19:36] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE
[19:36] <Captain_Haddock> dave: you have to type something first.
[19:36] <BluesKaj> changing resolution edits the xorg file
[19:36] <Q-collective> is QtParted being maintained again?
[19:36] <matahari> nosrednaekim: frsh install
[19:36] <crazy6> BluesKaj: oh, no, this has been happening for a long time, since 7.04
[19:36] <dave> captain haddock, ahh i see thanks
[19:36] <matahari> nosrednaekim: the strange thing is, that it worked until the day before yesterday
[19:37] <crazy6> BluesKaj: if I hav ea bunch of PDF's open from firefox from the web; come to think of it, I haven't checked ot see if it does it if I have them all open in Konq...
[19:37] <nosrednaekim> matahari: did you do anything special that day? any updates?
[19:37] <matahari> hmm
[19:37] <BluesKaj> crazy6, that's odd , which app opens the pdfs , konq or adobe ?
[19:37] <matahari> nosrednaekim: i don't remember
[19:37] <matahari> nosrednaekim: i installed some software - but i don#t remember which one...
[19:38] <vzduch> Q-collective: last time I tried to install Ark Linux it was still 0.4.5-svn
[19:38] <crazy6> BluesKaj: mozilla spawns a new window of kpdf for each PDF
[19:38] <matahari> nosrednaekim: is there a logfile where i can see such things?
[19:38] <crazy6> BluesKaj: and when I restart, it gives me "can't find tmp://whatever.pdf"  Ithink (or something close to that)
[19:38] <nosrednaekim> matahari: probably...IDK whats its called. probably in /var/log though
[19:39] <Q-collective> vzduch: yeah, it has been there for the last few years
[19:40] <matahari> nosrednaekim: i remember that day now
[19:40] <matahari> nosrednaekim: i wanted to get qemu running
[19:40] <matahari> and i used qemu launcher
[19:40] <nosrednaekim> having to dive into text files can make anyone remember..lol
[19:40] <matahari> and there was an option "emulate sound card"
[19:40] <matahari> nosrednaekim: i checked that option - and i think after that there was no sound anymore
[19:40] <BluesKaj> yeah crazy6 , I haven't seen that since use konq as my default browser ..pdf's don't pose any probs using konq in my experience
[19:41] <nosrednaekim> matahari: ahhhhhh :)\
[19:41] <matahari> nosrednaekim: ?
[19:41] <nosrednaekim> matahari: go into system settings-> sound and multimedia
[19:42] <webvictim> !compiz
[19:42] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[19:42] <matahari> nosrednaekim: ok
[19:42] <nosrednaekim> matahari: hardware->soundsystem->advanced Linux sound architecture
[19:42] <frustrated> Hi! When I select manual configuration for my wireless card, I'm unable to make Knetworkmanager do a site survey again. Tips?
[19:42] <matahari> nosrednaekim: this is already selected
[19:43] <frustrated> 7.10
[19:43] <DaSkreech> Hi BluesKaj
[19:43] <nosrednaekim> matahari: ok....change something small and then change it back, then hit apply
[19:44] <BluesKaj> hi DaSkreech , what's up today ?
[19:44] <slow-motion> re
[19:44] <DaSkreech> not the clouds
[19:44] <DaSkreech>  they are falling like noone's business
[19:44] <BluesKaj> :)
[19:44] <frustrated> Whenever I do manual configuration of my wireless interface, I'm forever unable to do a site survey and connect to a wireless network. I'm having a Centrino laptop with IPW 3945. Can someone please give me a tip on how to fix this, because previously only option has been reinstallation
[19:44] <dave>  compiz takes a serious graphics card,huh?
[19:44] <matahari> nosrednaekim: no change :-( still can't hear music...
[19:45] <nosrednaekim> matahari: but the sound system restarted fine?
[19:45] <ardchoille> I have an svn url for some new icons, how do I use this url? Put it in konqueror?
[19:45] <matahari> nosrednaekim: yes seems so
[19:45] <nosrednaekim> frustrated: remove the lines from your /etc/network/interfaces
[19:45] <nosrednaekim> crimsun_: hey... you around?
[19:46] <nosrednaekim> matahari: go over to #alsa..
[19:46] <matahari> nosrednaekim: ok
[19:46] <nosrednaekim> tell them what qemu did
[19:46] <dave> what kind of card is required to run compiz?
[19:47] <jpatrick> !compiz | dave
[19:47] <ubotu> dave: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[19:48] <nosrednaekim> dave: anything from the past 3 years will do
[19:49] <noam_> so basically, if i install the new proprietary ATI drivers, i need not worry, because i can always revert to the repository drivers by just removing fglrx from the restricted_modules file. right?
[19:49] <dave> jpatrick, thanks but that doesn't give any requirements as far as i can  see?
[19:50] <dave> nosrednaekim, ok thanks
[19:51] <nosrednaekim> noam_: and uninstalling the proprietary driver from /usr/share/ati
[19:51] <nosrednaekim> dave:  what do you have>
[19:52] <noam_> what do you mean by uninstalling? the rm -rf uninstallation method?
[19:52] <noam_> i'll have packages and all that, that's what the guides do :)
[19:53] <nosrednaekim> noam_: oh.... well with the 8.42 drivers,packages don't seem to work very well
[19:53] <nosrednaekim> at least not from what I have seen
[19:53] <nosrednaekim> and heard
[19:53] <noam_> argh. what's wrong with the packages?
[19:55] <nosrednaekim> noam_: not sure... but the other method is painless and esily reversible as well, just run "sudo ./usr/share/ati/fglrx-uninstall.sh
[19:55] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, the 8.42 is prolly ok for higher end ati's , onboards don't work well despite what amd recs
[19:55] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: :D
[19:55] <noam_> cool! i thought running sh ati-driver-foobar.sh stepped on the package system and broke it
[19:56] <vzduch> !upgrade > vzduch
[19:57] <BluesKaj> noam_, nosrednaekim , i just reverted to the restricted driver in system settings after the 8.42 driver failed on my setup
[19:58] <sammy> hey whoa! I opened an open office document and exported it to pdf, the same open office document format of my resume I've exported many times, and now that I upgraded to gutsy, the export no longer fits on one page!
[19:58] <nosrednaekim> noam_: oh yeah.... you have to disable the ubuntu-included fglrx kernel driver though.
[19:58] <noam_> what if i have 8.42 installed in /usr/share/ati and i want to upgrade to 8.43 when it is out? will i have to remove the current driver and install the new one?
[19:58] <slvmchn> hello, i have ubuntu 7.10 installed, how to i use xfce instead of gnome? i don't necessarily want to install the whole kubuntu package... i did it before on an earlier version of ubuntu where when i logged in i could change from gnome to xfce to blackbox to whatever i wanted, basically how do i set that up again
[19:58] <sammy> it's almost as if some sort of style changes have been made, but I haven't edited the file at all, and in fact tried a few other versions with the same file with similar results, they appear different now
[19:58] <slvmchn> i just liked how i had a terminal prompt in the menu bar
[19:58] <noam_> nosrednaekim, in /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common
[19:58] <noam_> ?
[19:59] <slvmchn> panel bar i mean
[19:59] <nosrednaekim> cprrect
[19:59] <noam_> cool
[19:59] <sammy> slvmchn: there has to be 419 different wikis and forum posts about how to use xfce/kde/gnome with ubuntu and how to switch between the few
[19:59] <BluesKaj> noam_, yes , amd recommends uninstalling the older driver first
[19:59] <nosrednaekim> noam_: yeah.. i'd uninstall the 8.42 first
[19:59] <noam_> ok then. thanks
[19:59] <noam_> i hope this works :)
[19:59] <vzduch> sammy: did you count them? ;)
[20:00] <sammy> vzduch: I did! I can't manage a simple odt to pdf export, but I'm a savant when it comes to reading documentation and forum posts other people haven't searched for yet :)
[20:00] <slvmchn> sammy: how do i install kubuntu on top of ubuntu 7.10
[20:00] <slvmchn> i'll just do that, i don't mind
[20:01] <sammy> slvmchn: again, there's documentation aplenty if you search for it on that exact topic. take your pick, forum post or ubuntu wiki, I'll even do the google search *for you* and private message you the url to the google search results :)
[20:01] <slvmchn> if you don't know off the top of your head it's fine, i just thought i'd ask
[20:01] <sammy> it has to do with installing and uninstalling the different desktop meta-packages
[20:01] <nosrednaekim> !kubuntu
[20:01] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment, instead of Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support: #kubuntu - See also !KDE
[20:02] <sammy> and possibly editing your gdm/kdm/xdm configuration files to allow for loading different desktop environments from the gui login screen, if you keep more than one installed
[20:03] <BluesKaj> sammy, just install kubuntu-desktop
[20:03] <vzduch> sammy: you're speaking to the walls right now..
[20:03] <BluesKaj> that's all he needed
[20:04] <sammy> vzduch: isn't that what irc is all about? BluesKaj: sorry, I get uppity when people don't bother to look for documentation first.
[20:04] <matahari> i have to reboot
[20:04] <BluesKaj> don't , if ppl knew how to search out info , they would ask in here :)
[20:05] <BluesKaj> woudn't need to
[20:05] <Daisuke_Laptop> in short...
[20:05] <Daisuke_Laptop> !coc
[20:05] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[20:05] <BluesKaj> err getting tired ...been a long day...think I'll take a nap
[20:05] <nosrednaekim> sammy: yeah, don't tell people to RTFM when they come in here and ask a question you consider "easy"
[20:07] <sammy> what!? c'mon people, I might have been rude, but the fact is that there IS documentation on exactly what he was looking for, documentation that ANY search engine in existance would find. and that's one of the reasons the documentation is there, so the same questions don't have to be answered over and over and over and over again.
[20:07] <Daisuke_Laptop> this channel gets dozens of people a day who know nothing about linux whatsoever.  we're here to ease the transition and help with issues, not belittle them and use the classic "linux users are jerks" RTFM tactic.
[20:07] <mike-kubuntu> my motherboard says 2 ddr 400 slots, would dd42 be ok in it? i know ddr2 isn't compatable with ddr3
[20:07] <Daisuke_Laptop> ddr2 is also not compatible with ddr
[20:07] <noam_> nosrednaekim, what do i do on kernel update? reinstall the driver?
[20:07] <nosrednaekim> mike-kubuntu: no... that won't work
[20:07] <Daisuke_Laptop> ddr = 184 pin, ddr2 = 240 pin
[20:07] <nosrednaekim> noam_: yup
[20:08] <noam_> oh
[20:08] <Daisuke_Laptop> it physically won't work :)
[20:08] <sammy> linux users aren't jerks, we just expect people to use their computer, not ask other people to use it for them. if you want to make substantitve changes to your desktop environment, you shoudl at least be able to look up documentation on such a thing and not expect the community to walk you through it.
[20:08] <nosrednaekim> noam_: from what I remember, you can even run that script from the CLI if need be
[20:08] <nosrednaekim> sammy: why shouldn't we walk them through it?
[20:08] <Daisuke_Laptop> sammy: you're putting across the image that we are jerks.  we HELP people, not tell them to look somewhere else.
[20:08] <sammy> I've been using linux and sitting in such channels for over a decade, and there's a place for questions that don't have clear answers, but when they do, and they've already been written out and commented on and vetted by the community, thats where we should point people.
[20:09] <noam_> on kernel update, the system will work fine, except for 3d rendering? or will X not load at all until i reinstall the driver?
[20:09] <webvictim> has anyone got experience with getting an nvidia mediashield RAID array to work under kubuntu?
[20:09] <darth_chatri> hi, has anyone encountered a keyboard freeze on kubuntu?
[20:09] <webvictim> i understand you have to use dmraid
[20:09] <webvictim> but i can't seem to find any decent advice on it
[20:09] <Daisuke_Laptop> sammy: that's not the ubuntu way.  no one's stopping you from using that method anywhere else, but that is not the way things are done around here...
[20:09] <nosrednaekim> noam_: I *THINK* x will load without 3d
[20:10] <mike-kubuntu> nosrednaekim, is it a significant drop in performance between ddr and ddr2/3?
[20:10] <Daisuke_Laptop> nosrednaekim: in gutsy i believe it will, because of bulletproof x
[20:10] <matahari> i'm back
[20:10] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Laptop: KDM can't so bulletproof x
[20:10] <vzduch> matahari: good choice :P
[20:10] <darth_chatri> kubuntu gutsy to be more precise
[20:10] <Daisuke_Laptop> mike-kubuntu: fairly significant.  but if you want to go to ddr2, you're looking at a new motherboard at least
[20:10] <nosrednaekim> matahari: any luck?
[20:10] <Daisuke_Laptop> nosrednaekim: ah...
[20:11] <Daisuke_Laptop> another area where kubuntu is the forgotten stepchild :\
[20:11] <nosrednaekim> darth_chatri: does the mouse work?
[20:11] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Laptop: indeed...
[20:11] <matahari> nosrednaekim: no luck
[20:11] <darth_chatri> nosrednaekim: yes, everything else works
[20:11] <matahari> nosrednaekim: i'm really depressed now - the guys in #alsa don't respond
[20:11] <mike-kubuntu> Daisuke_Laptop: figured, i'll wait till its time for a new processor
[20:11] <Daisuke_Laptop> i actually have encountered that problem one time resuming from suspend on this 1420...  i had to reboot to get the keyboard back
[20:12] <Daisuke_Laptop> mike-kubuntu: do you tend toward amd or intel?
[20:12] <nosrednaekim> matahari: hmmmm
[20:12] <nosrednaekim> matahari: I'm not too good with sound at all
[20:12] <BluesKaj> sammy , it's atitude like yours that used to be quite prevalent a few yrs ago, ( I got linux chops and you don't ,you dummy ...read the man pages) ...well we're here to help those who are confused about what we mean by "documentation and the like " If you need to be on your high horse , then this isn't the room for you.
[20:12] <matahari> nosrednaekim: too bad...
[20:12] <darth_chatri> it seems to happen randomly
[20:12] <nosrednaekim> matahari: try posting on the ubuntu forums
[20:13] <nosrednaekim> darth_chatri: my dad had the same problem on his laptop... is it a laptop?
[20:13] <matahari> nosrednaekim: the prob is: tomorrow at 9am i have a teleconference and need the sound there.... i could go crazy...
[20:13] <darth_chatri> nosrednaekim: yes
[20:13] <nosrednaekim> darth_chatri: disable your touchpad..
[20:13] <BluesKaj> BBL ...naptime
[20:13] <Daisuke_Laptop> intel's 775 is a general standard with motherboards encompassing ddr and ddr2.  amd's a little more picky, i think am2 is the only processor line that will do ddr2
[20:14] <darth_chatri> nosrednaekim: how?
[20:14] <nosrednaekim> darth_chatri: it had something to do with X/KDE and the touchpad being accidentally touched while typing
[20:14] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Laptop: or S1 for mobile..
[20:15] <darth_chatri> nosrednaekim: eh? doesnt quite make sense. anyway, i dont have a button to disable the touchpad
[20:15] <Daisuke_Laptop> nosrednaekim: i haven't kept up with amd recently :)
[20:15]  * nosrednaekim is a AMD fanboi in his spare time
[20:15] <nosrednaekim> darth_chatri: such was his dillema as well
[20:15] <nosrednaekim> matahari: load up a liveCD for the teleconference ;)
[20:16] <darth_chatri> nosrednaekim: so how did he solve the problem?
[20:17] <Daisuke_Laptop> nosrednaekim: given the performance from the core 2 duo in the laptop, i think i'm going to go to an intel system next time i upgrade my desktop (if i do)
[20:17] <nosrednaekim> darth_chatri: to tell you the truth...IDK.
[20:17] <darth_chatri> nosrednaekim: are you sure its a kde problem? it happens to me while using a different manager as well
[20:18] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Laptop: Intel chips are more expensive... and I find the bottle neck on this Turion X2 laptop is not the CPU,. but the graphics and HD/
[20:18] <darth_chatri> i have some kde apps running, but the services and the wm are not
[20:18] <nosrednaekim> darth_chatri: no,i'm not certain, it very well could be an X problem
[20:18] <Daisuke_Laptop> aaaaand, i so want to grab one of those $199 walmart linux pcs (mini-itx, via c7 1.5ghz processor, 512mb ram, 80gb hdd)...  strip the atx case and stick the system in a nice small mini-itx case :D
[20:19] <Daisuke_Laptop> use it as a streaming machine
[20:19] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Laptop: yeah... we have a Via system with about those specs... its runs nicely...22 watts!
[20:19] <Daisuke_Laptop> keep it connected to the tv :D
[20:19] <Daisuke_Laptop> nosrednaekim: have you seen those yet?
[20:19] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Laptop: get a good graphics card though... via is crap
[20:19] <nosrednaekim> yeah.. I did
[20:19] <Daisuke_Laptop> all i really need is vga output
[20:20] <nosrednaekim> ah.. ok
[20:20] <Daisuke_Laptop> if it can handle 1024x768 i'm fine
[20:20] <Daisuke_Laptop> certainly not a gaming machine, and the new TV can't handle anything above that resolution (which is weird, the native res is 1366x768)
[20:20] <nosrednaekim> it can (without 3d accel) we have it attached to a 1280x1024 monitor.
[20:21] <Daisuke_Laptop> the most taxing thing i would use it for is have it double as a classic gaming machine
[20:21] <Daisuke_Laptop> nes/snes/genesis emulation
[20:21] <nosrednaekim> shouldn't have a problem with that
[20:22] <Daisuke_Laptop> i'm gonna take this to -offtopic :)
[20:22] <Daisuke_Laptop> before someone gripes :D
[20:26] <franki> hay no one knows how to upgrade to 7.10 without turning off
[20:26] <mcquaid> i only recently upgraded to gutsy.  I just noticed kfind is no longer in my kmenu
[20:26] <mcquaid> i checked and it's still installed, and obviously I can easily readd it, just curious if others encountered this
[20:27] <nosrednaekim> franki: not entirely possible...(kernel requires a reboot)
[20:27] <tekstacy> 'lo all
[20:27] <mcquaid> does everyone else have kfind in their menu in gutsy?
[20:27] <perrako> How do you load new compiz themes into kde?
[20:28] <franki> yea i know kernal requiers reboot but never mind i started the upgrade
[20:28] <tekstacy> I have 4 gb ram, but Kinfo says I have 3.1gb, anyone know why this would be?
[20:29] <qolo> I friggin hate Konsole, is there a better shell ?
[20:29] <tekstacy> cmd.exe
[20:30] <qolo> thx
[20:30] <tekstacy> ok, ok, sorry    :)
[20:30] <matahari> lol
[20:30] <mcquaid> tekstacy, I'm not sure but I read that 32 bit os's only have support for 4 gigs.  But from what I understand that xp doesn't report the 4 gigs correctly and you end up with something like you're saying.  And I heard that this happens in linux as well, which I'm surprised of
[20:30] <mcquaid> f
[20:30] <qolo> 4 gigs is directly addressable, you can still have more it just takes a little longer to access
[20:31] <qolo> ( i think )
[20:31] <mcquaid> takes a little longer to access... that just doesn't sound correct
[20:31] <tekstacy> hmm, cool, thanks.
[20:31] <qolo> 32^2 = 4gigs
[20:32] <mcquaid> so can anyone just quickly tell me if kfind is still in their kmenu after upgrading to gutsy?
[20:32] <tekstacy> that's an awsome ammount for a laptop
[20:32] <NDPTAL85> Anyone have any ideas on why Thunderbird on 7.10 won't access my IMAP accounts?
[20:32] <tekstacy> mcquaid, I don't see it
[20:33] <mcquaid> thx, wonder why there is no entry for it now
[20:33] <mcquaid> i was curious if they were replacing kfind or something
[20:33] <tekteen> NDPTAL85: I will try it
[20:33] <NDPTAL85> It will access one, but I have 4 others that it won't.
[20:34] <rakan> Hello
[20:34] <tekstacy> mcquaid, open Adept and see if it is installed
[20:34] <tekstacy> hello rakan
[20:35] <rakan> I copied and burned debian packages downloaded by adept from archives folder to a CD
[20:35] <mcquaid> yep it's installed, just launched kfind from the run cmd. but I think it's a glaring omission to forget an entry for the find util
[20:35] <tekteen> NDPTAL85: what are the settings
[20:35] <rakan> now i formated my computer and reinstalled kubuntu
[20:35] <rakan> how can i give all these packages to adept to reinstall because i dont want it to download them all again???
[20:35] <NDPTAL85> tekstacy: Settings? Regular settings for a GMail account.
[20:36] <tekteen> ok
[20:36] <tekteen> hold on
[20:36] <matahari> nosrednaekim: i noticed something strange
[20:37] <tekstacy> NDPTAL85, I think you meant that for tekteen
[20:37] <mcquaid> rakan, i never use adept but for apt-get/synaptic they go in /var/cache/apt/archives
[20:37] <NDPTAL85> tekstacy: My bad
[20:37] <matahari> nosrednaekim: days when sound worked, i looked at the ouput of /proc/asound/cards - and there were 2 cards present (one analog, one digital)
[20:37] <matahari> nosrednaekim: now i only have one card there
[20:37] <rakan> mcquaid: ok i copied the packages into the archives folder
[20:37] <tekteen> it is working for me
[20:37] <tekteen> check your settings
[20:37] <rakan> how can i instruct apt-get to install them?
[20:37] <NDPTAL85> I know the accounts work fine because they work in KMail and on both of my Macs.
[20:38] <tekteen> ok
[20:38] <matahari> nosrednaekim: is there a command to run a base-config of my system again?
[20:38] <bibou> salut
[20:38] <tekstacy> mcquaid, you could just put it in the menu yourself.
[20:39] <tekteen> rightclick on the acount then click properties
[20:39] <mcquaid> tekstacy, yes which i already did, but it's still pretty bad to miss that
[20:39] <tekteen> NDPTAL85: then click the server settings tab
[20:39] <nosrednaekim> matahari: didn't you say you recompiled alsa?
[20:39] <mcquaid> rakan, i'm not sure I exactly understand.  are you doing a fresh install?
[20:40] <NDPTAL85> tekteen: Then what?
[20:40] <tekstacy> yup, yup. someone forgot. But hey, at least wer're not stuck with vista....
[20:40] <edo_> hi all
[20:40] <tekstacy> hi edo_
[20:40] <tekteen> NDPTAL85: rightclick on the acount then click properties
[20:40] <edo_> i'm italian
[20:40] <matahari> nosrednaekim: yes, i did
[20:40] <NDPTAL85> tekteen: Yeah I'm there already
[20:40] <tekteen> NDPTAL85: then click the server settings tab
[20:41] <nosrednaekim> matahari: well, that probably messed something up..
[20:41] <edo_> goodbye
[20:41] <NDPTAL85> tekteen: Dood, I'm there. Whats next?
[20:41] <matahari> nosrednaekim: maybe i can uninstall it...
[20:41] <tekteen> check that it is connecting to pop.gmail.com and port 995
[20:41] <rakan> mcquaid: i did a clean install for kubuntu. But in the previous installation i installed alot of programs and packages using adept, to prevent downloading them again i just copied all the packages from the archives. What i am asking for is how can i give those packages to apt-get to install them all automatically with me having to go install them one by one???
[20:41] <nosrednaekim> matahari: not sure...
[20:41] <NDPTAL85> tekteen: Its IMAP. So it would be imap.gmail.com
[20:41] <nosrednaekim> matahari: try reinstalling the kernel..
[20:41] <tekteen> ok
[20:42] <nosrednaekim> matahari: is its gutsy?
[20:42] <nosrednaekim> *this
[20:42] <matahari> nosrednaekim: yes
[20:42] <tekteen> I suggest u use pop
[20:42] <nosrednaekim> matahari: oh... hmm
[20:42] <tekteen> it makes no difference
[20:42] <nosrednaekim> NDPTAL85: gmail's IMAP is buggy
[20:42] <tekstacy> back to work...   Thanks for the help guys.   bye
[20:43] <rakan> mcquaid: got it?
[20:43] <nosrednaekim> matahari: yeah... I don't know..
[20:43] <mcquaid> rakan, ok, again I never used adept but in synaptic if you select all those packages to install it will recognize they are in the archive and not download them again
[20:43] <NDPTAL85> nosrednaekim: Possibly but I'm only experiencing this issue on Thunderbird on Kubuntu. No other OS or email client.
[20:43] <mcquaid> but that still is a pain selecting them all again
[20:44] <matahari> nosrednaekim: what can i do....
[20:44] <nosrednaekim> NDPTAL85: oh... ok
[20:44] <tekteen> anyone know howto make accented characters (for spanish)
[20:44] <rakan> aha ok, will try them
[20:44] <rakan> i have to do it
[20:44] <mcquaid> so... i would do from konsole:  sudo dpkg -i *.deb while in the archive dir
[20:44] <rakan> dont got any other way :(
[20:44] <rakan> hmm
[20:45] <rakan> i will try that * :)
[20:45] <mcquaid> rakan, let me know if that works. it should
[20:45] <rakan> at least windows doesnt have such options
[20:45] <rakan> if i format windows i have to do 2 days of reinstallation :D
[20:46] <rakan> mcquaid: i will, thanks for now
[20:46] <mcquaid> k
[20:46] <tekteen> raken: u could back up windows
[20:46] <Daisuke_Laptop> you're better off without windows :D
[20:47] <tekteen> I agree
[20:47] <matahari> nosrednaekim: how can i reinstall the kernel?
[20:47] <tekteen> but u might need it
[20:47] <tekteen> :-(
[20:47] <naxa> hi! How can i set the resolution to 16 BPP in KDE?
[20:47] <naxa> or 8 BPP
[20:48] <DaSkreech> mcquaid: I think it may be they are using strigi now
[20:48] <rakan> mcquaid: do u think it will work with some programs needing dependencies? would it install dependencies first then install package?
[20:48] <nosrednaekim> matahari: that... I do not know... maybe install an older version of the kernel?
[20:48] <matahari> nosrednaekim: and how can i do that?
[20:49] <MaDiNfO_> does any one knows how can i enable TVout on my GFX board ?
[20:49] <nosrednaekim> matahari: just a sec
[20:49] <MaDiNfO_> to watch some movies on my TV ?
[20:49] <mcquaid> rakan, hmm, that will proabably fail on some of them, if you haven't already downloaded the dependencies
[20:49] <mcquaid> if all the dependencies are in that dir, you'll be fine
[20:49] <rakan> mcquaid: They are there :D
[20:50] <rakan> i will try now
[20:50] <mcquaid> then you should be good to go
[20:51] <matahari> nosrednaekim: i think i will reinstall gutsy....
[20:51] <rakan> mcquaid: hmm, sudo dpkg -i *.deb did not install all
[20:51] <rakan> i think it took the last installed package and reinstalled it
[20:51] <raindog> After updating today my Kmenu won't open.  Is there a fix or workaround?
[20:51] <MaDiNfO_> does any one knows how can i enable TVout on my GFX board ? _> to watch some movies on my TV ?
[20:51] <rakan> (Reading database ... 85286 files and directories currently installed.)
[20:51] <rakan> Preparing to replace bcm43xx-fwcutter 20060108-6build1 (using bcm43xx-fwcutter_20060108-6build1_i386.deb) ...
[20:51] <rakan> Unpacking replacement bcm43xx-fwcutter ...
[20:51] <rakan> Setting up bcm43xx-fwcutter (20060108-6build1) ...
[20:52] <nosrednaekim> matahari: that may be easiest... do you have alot of files to backup?
[20:52] <mcquaid> rakan, not sure I understand last installed package.  dpkg is for manually installing debs.  It will not go to the net and grab new versions or anything like apt-get.  it doesn't not reference your sources.list file.  it's just a manual deb installer
[20:52] <NickPresta> raindog, you could try this in a konsole: dcop kicker kicker restart
[20:53] <mcquaid> DaSkreech, strigi is an indexer like tracker, but what is the frontend for strigi in kde now?
[20:53] <raindog> NickPresta: Hey thanks.  That did the trick.  (I'm still getting used to KDE.) :)
[20:53] <NickPresta> raindog, no problem :)
[20:54] <mcquaid> DaSkreech, I see there is a strigi applet, but is there not a standalone search that utilizes strigi/tracker backend?
[20:54] <mcquaid> rakan, so what happened some installed?  none?
[20:55] <rakan> mcquaid: no dpkg -i *.deb only installed bcm43xx-fwcutter.deb package which is for Broadcom wireless device drivers. Stopped right after the installation of this package completed
[20:55] <mcquaid> hmmm
[20:55] <matahari> nosrednaekim: yes/no..... the amount of files is not the problem.... how can i get a list of packages i installed manually?
[20:55] <DaSkreech> mcquaid: Yes but not in KDE3 I think
[20:56] <matahari> nosrednaekim: making a backup of /home should do it, right?
[20:56] <ubuntu> hello all
[20:57] <sgt_hannibal> hi, I'm new here.... And i have a problem  with the usb automount. Can anyone help me?
[20:57] <rakan> mcquaid: i think selecting the packages again using adept or synaptic is the way to go
[20:57] <ubuntu> i can't enable 3d desktop in kubuntu however i done it quickly in ubuntu any ideas how to enable it here
[20:57] <mcquaid> you really should be able to do what i'm saying.  one sec
[20:58] <rakan> mcquaid: ok waiting
[20:58] <nosrednaekim> matahari: yes, that should do it... a list of packages that you manually installed would be hard...
[20:58] <nosrednaekim> sgt_hannibal: what is the problem.
[20:59] <matahari> nosrednaekim: i have an idea: the logfile....
[20:59] <nosrednaekim> !compiz
[20:59] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[20:59] <DrakeJustice_> hello all
[20:59] <sgt_hannibal> my usb storage devices doesn't automount the way the it use to be
[20:59] <sgt_hannibal> i upgrade to 7.10
[21:00] <ubuntu> thanks i am doing that now
[21:01] <nosrednaekim> matahari: you can get a list of ALL installed packages with "dpkg -l"
[21:01] <matahari> ok
[21:01] <matahari> nosrednaekim: please cross your fingers for me...
[21:02] <matahari> nosrednaekim: if everything goes right i will be online again soon (hopefully in an hour....)
[21:02] <nosrednaekim> sgt_hannibal: and what happens?
[21:03] <nosrednaekim> matahari: :)
[21:03] <nosrednaekim> matahari: in the future you may want to put your /home on a different partition..
[21:03] <matahari> nosrednaekim: ;-)
[21:03] <matahari> bye
[21:03] <rakan> mquaid: it's working, the problem was that i did not CD to archives folder :p
[21:04] <sgt_hannibal> nosrednaekim: well, I can mount it, the issue is that it used to automount and recoginize the name i gave to it, now i have to manually mount it, and it will be named sdb1
[21:05] <athem> hi everyone, am i able to upgrade to kubuntu from an existing ubuntu 7.10 installation?
[21:05] <DaSkreech> !upgrade | athem
[21:05] <athem> !upgrade
[21:05] <ubotu> athem: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[21:06] <nosrednaekim> sgt_hannibal: take a look in system-settings-> advanced->disks and partitions
[21:06] <sgt_hannibal> nosrednaekim: and i used to have conky display the stats about my usb drivers... but now it doesn't recoginize its name, the main problem is: the first usb that i plug in will besdb1, regardless its name
[21:06] <mcquaid> rakan, ahh ok, i knew that should work.  good to hear
[21:07] <jords> Does anyone know if there are kde 4 beta 4 packages avalible for kubuntu yet?
[21:07] <DaSkreech> jords: Soon
[21:07] <athem> DaSkreech: !update doesn't do anything, not help text pops up
[21:07] <sgt_hannibal> nosrednaekim: thats how i mount it, but before used to be automatically with the usb name (like linux01, linux02, win .. etc)
[21:08] <athem> ubotu: there's only upgrade info from previous ubuntu installations to the latest release there, no info on switching from ubuntu to kubuntu
[21:08] <sgt_hannibal> nosrednaekim: and now is sdb1 sdb2 .... and the other matter... so I can't set my conkyrc to display my usb static right
[21:08] <jords> athem: I think you just need to install kubuntu-desktop
[21:08] <debian-is-me> My friend wants ATI drivers for kubuntu, how?
[21:09] <nosrednaekim> sgt_hannibal: ah... you need to use mount by UUID in disks and partitions
[21:09] <tekteen> go to the kcontrol panel
[21:09] <DaSkreech> athem: ooooh
[21:09] <nosrednaekim> debian-is-me: if he is on gutsy, use the restricted-manager-kde
[21:09] <athem> hords: so Applications -> Add/Remove and then look for kubuntu-desktop?
[21:09] <sgt_hannibal> nosrednaekim: I see ...
[21:09] <DaSkreech> athem: You want to get rid of gnome ?
[21:10] <debian-is-me> it says  softvare source (....)  is not enabled, what is wrong?
[21:10] <nosrednaekim> !repositories | debian-is-me
[21:10] <ubotu> debian-is-me: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[21:10] <nosrednaekim> !search fglrx
[21:10] <ubotu> Found: fglrx-#ubuntu-effects, fglrx, ati-#ubuntu-effects
[21:10] <nosrednaekim> !info fglrx
[21:10] <ubotu> Package fglrx does not exist in gutsy
[21:10] <athem> DaSkreech: I want to test out KDE, since i get choppy video playback and wondered if kde would work better
[21:11] <jords> athem: I don't think it will be in add/remove, but If you go to synaptic it should be there
[21:11] <nosrednaekim> !info xorg-driver-fglrx
[21:11] <ubotu> xorg-driver-fglrx: Video driver for ATI graphics accelerators. In component restricted, is optional. Version 7.1.0-8.37.6+2.6.22.4-14.9 (gutsy), package size 8357 kB, installed size 22472 kB
[21:11] <jords> athen
[21:11] <nosrednaekim> debian-is-me: you need to enable the restricted-repository
[21:11] <rakan> mcquaid: i thank you for saving 12 hours of my time :p :D
[21:11] <DaSkreech> athem: ah. Umm why don't you just install Kaffiene then?
[21:11] <DaSkreech> or vlc ?
[21:11] <mcquaid> np
[21:11] <debian-is-me> why is it restricted?
[21:12] <tekteen> it means it is not open source
[21:12] <tekteen> you can still use it
[21:12] <tekteen> :-)
[21:12] <jords> athem: is it there?
[21:13] <nosrednaekim> debian-is-me: just that its not officailly supported since it is closed sourse...itssafe tho
[21:13] <debian-is-me> But what is point of open-source for people that doesn't know how to program?
[21:13] <athem> jords: there's lots of packages starting with kde, which one would be the right one to choose?
[21:14] <athem> DaSkreech: what is Kaffiene?
[21:14] <tekteen> it means other people can find bugs
[21:14] <DaSkreech> athem: The KDE video player
[21:14] <DaSkreech> You can install it in Gnome
[21:14] <DaSkreech>  what are the specs on your machine ?
[21:14] <DrakeJustice_> athem: not as well programed as some other video players i might add
[21:14] <tekteen> debian-is-me: it also means it cannot be supported
[21:14] <tekteen> although still safe
[21:15] <debian-is-me> But for me, whats the diffrence? the binarys makes as much sense as the source-code, so should I use open-source or not care?
[21:15] <tekteen> do not care
[21:15] <tekteen> simple answer
[21:15] <DrakeJustice_> sheesh!
[21:16] <athem> DaSkreech: I am using ubuntu 7.10 with the standard gnome environment. running a kde program isn't possible atm ;)
[21:16] <DrakeJustice_> tekteen: what if no one cared?
[21:16] <DaSkreech> athem: Yes it is
[21:16] <tekteen> i know
[21:16] <DrakeJustice_> athem: gnome can run KDE apps
[21:16] <tekteen> but it is all we have
[21:16] <athem> oh...hmm...gonna give this a try then
[21:16] <tekteen> and it has crashed many times
[21:16] <tekteen> lol
[21:16] <debian-is-me> Can gnome run Knetworkmanager?
[21:16] <DaSkreech> Yes
[21:17] <DrakeJustice_> debian-is-me: yea, but i wouldn't recommend it...
[21:17] <arcade> Hmm.  Having trouble with compiz and Ubuntu 7.10 (w/kubuntu-desktop) ..
[21:17] <debian-is-me> why not?
[21:17] <DrakeJustice_> debian-is-me: gnome has a better one (for gnome)
[21:17] <debian-is-me> I like knetworkmanager
[21:17] <DaSkreech> Knetworkmanager was abused
[21:17] <arcade> Is it completely non-supported?
[21:17] <DaSkreech> It needs love and attention
[21:17] <DrakeJustice_> debian-is-me: by all means, use it then :)
[21:17] <DaSkreech> arcade: Not totally unsupported :)
[21:17] <debian-is-me> how can i abuse knetworkmanager?
[21:17] <DaSkreech> arcade: There is #compiz-fusion
[21:17] <DrakeJustice_> debian-is-me: he meant the developers of it i think
[21:18] <arcade> DaSkreech: :P  Of course, but I'm thinking "support from other kubuntu-users"-supported :P
[21:18] <DaSkreech> Sure
[21:18] <debian-is-me> Can kubuntu/debian be used to crack wpa sertificates?
[21:18] <angeldarkholme> hello everybody...could you please tell me how can I activate compiz fusion on kubuntu gutsy?
[21:18] <DaSkreech> But a good number of KDE<__>compiz-fusion bugs are really only fixable by the compiz-fusion people
[21:19] <DaSkreech> debian-is-me: Any computer can do that
[21:19] <angeldarkholme> everything is installed (all the packages that I need)
[21:19] <arcade> DaSkreech: Aha.:)
[21:19] <DaSkreech> !compiz | angeldarkholme
[21:19] <ubotu> angeldarkholme: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[21:19] <angeldarkholme> but I can't see any desktop effects
[21:19] <DrakeJustice_> debian-is-me: essentially anything electrical can...
[21:19] <angeldarkholme> thanks :)
[21:19] <debian-is-me> But how?
[21:19] <DaSkreech> angeldarkholme: open a konsole and type compiz --replace
[21:19] <tekteen> look opensource is the way to go. but if you want to play 3d games you need to install restricted drivers. :-(
[21:19] <DaSkreech> debian-is-me: Wrong place to discuss that
[21:19] <arcade> DaSkreech: Well, I'm hoping Kubuntu 8.04 and Compiz will play better together :P  (And Ubuntu ... I mean, there are still Bugs!) :P
[21:20] <DaSkreech> arcade: They will but it won't make much a difference
[21:20] <jpatrick> arcade: it's planned
[21:20] <gogy> hi to all I`m having pšroblems installing beryl-settings becouse they depend on python 2.4 I have 2.4 and 2.5 how to use right one for the instalation??
[21:20] <debian-is-me> But I have a legimate reason, my school has wpa, but they won't give support for linux users, I have the username/password, but I need the sertificate
[21:20] <arcade> DaSkreech: Hey, anything I can use to impress the windowsers at the office .. and try to get'em to switch :P
[21:20] <DrakeJustice_> gogy: update-alternatives --config python
[21:21] <DrakeJustice_> arcade: dozers aren't intelligent enough, switching them just makes them confused
[21:21] <DrakeJustice_> lol
[21:21] <DaSkreech> arcade: 8.10 will have KDE4 which has compositing built in
[21:21] <DaSkreech>  compositing is the fanciness that compiz brings :)
[21:21] <DaSkreech> arcade: try the comfusion DVd
[21:21] <DrakeJustice_> KDE4.5 > compiz ?? w00t
[21:21] <DaSkreech> arcade: or press alt+space :)
[21:22] <arcade> DrakeJustice_: That's not _our_ windows users :P  I mean, we're a sysadmin company :P  Our windows users are smart.
[21:22] <debian-is-me> what features will be inplented in Kubuntu 20.0.0.5?
[21:22] <DrakeJustice_> arcade: that's cool...
[21:22] <arcade> DrakeJustice_: about 120 people, around 70 unix users :P  Not all linux though ;P
[21:22] <DrakeJustice_> arcade: lemme quote that 'windows users are smart' - nytimes
[21:22] <DrakeJustice_> lol
[21:23] <debian-is-me> is it freenode.com or org?
[21:23] <DrakeJustice_> debian-is-me: org
[21:23] <arcade> DrakeJustice_: I'll be happy when our technical director turns unix (again).  he's just using windows these days because the windows-department are feeling bullied ;PP
[21:23] <athem> DaSkreech: installed kaffeine but its not playing anything. so is there no way to get a kde desktop running other then to completely reinstall kubuntu from a live cd?
[21:24] <DaSkreech> athem: Sure install kubuntu-desktop
[21:24] <DrakeJustice_> arcade: tell the CEO's a nice presentation about 'vendor lock-in' and see their reaction
[21:24] <debian-is-me> is samba faster than a windows 2003 server, and can samba connect to an windows 2003 server?
[21:24] <tekteen> yes and yes
[21:24] <DaSkreech> athem: are you upgrading to 7.10
[21:24] <ardchoille> DrakeJustice_: Nice technique
[21:25] <arcade> DrakeJustice_: Not necessary ;P  They know it.
[21:25] <tekteen> samba it can also be configured more
[21:25] <DrakeJustice_> arcade: and they still bought it?? lol
[21:25] <athem> DaSkreech: am using ubuntu 7.10 already
[21:25] <tekteen> debian-is-me: have any more questions
[21:25] <debian-is-me> can I use a 133mhz 78mb ram as a samba file server?
[21:25] <DrakeJustice_> debian-is-me: yup
[21:26] <DaSkreech> athem: ah ok :) yeah just install kubuntu-desktop
[21:26] <DrakeJustice_> debian-is-me: slowly :)
[21:26] <arcade> DrakeJustice_: Well, as we're a "both windows and unix shop" some of them need to ;P
[21:26] <debian-is-me> faster than windows 2003 on an fast computer?
[21:26] <tekteen> debian-is-me: you would need a very basic install
[21:27] <tekteen> (with samba)
[21:27] <athem> DaSkreech: giving it a try, thanks ;)
[21:27] <jords> athem: Yes you get a kde desktop if you install kubuntu-desktop
[21:27] <debian-is-me> Yes, how can I strip debian down to speed up startup?
[21:27] <ardchoille> debian-is-me: I don't think you'll get the desktop cd to run ont that, you're better off installing from the server cd
[21:27] <DaSkreech> arcade: I like alt+space though :)
[21:27] <athem> jords: thanks
[21:27] <ardchoille> debian-is-me: install the server edition and build from there
[21:28] <DaSkreech> debian-is-me: at that point I'd be looking at gentoo
[21:28] <debian-is-me> I'm talking about a diffrent computer, it is debian, and it uses 70sec to boot, too slow. Need to speed up-
[21:28] <tekteen> debian-is-me: boot does not matter
[21:29] <debian-is-me> how do I login?
[21:29] <tekteen> debian-is-me: what do u mean?
[21:29] <debian-is-me> I want the boot time to be lower, I get bored when I start the computer.
[21:30] <tekteen> you could run it all the time (i do)
[21:30] <Aartix003> you get bored?
[21:30] <DaSkreech> debian-is-me: kill services you don't need
[21:30] <DrakeJustice_> debian-is-me: check sysv-init (read up on it)
[21:30] <ardchoille> debian-is-me: Why do you even reboot/shutdown?
[21:30] <DrakeJustice_> debian-is-me: /etc/init.d/
[21:30] <debian-is-me> ok
[21:31] <tekteen> debian-is-me: /etc/rc.2
[21:31] <debian-is-me> Once in a while the power goes out, or the dog eats the wires
[21:31] <ardchoille> debian-is-me: There's a nice cli ui for that: sysv-rc-conf
[21:31] <tekteen> that is very rare
[21:31] <tekteen> live through it
[21:31] <Aartix003> debian-is-me: working?
[21:31] <debian-is-me> working?
[21:31] <tekteen> (from the very impatient 14 year old)
[21:32] <noam_> ...so i installed the 8.42 driver, had some issues, so i ran uninstall_fglrx from /usr/share/ati and removed fglrx from the linux-restricted-modules. after i did that, X DID NOT LOAD AT ALL, and the radeon driver was sort of broken, so i installed 8.40. how depressing
[21:32] <DrakeJustice_> ardchoille: does debian-is-me know what cli or ui are?
[21:32] <debian-is-me> no, but do I need too?
[21:32] <ardchoille> DrakeJustice_: I assumed he did
[21:32] <DrakeJustice_> noam_: you aren't alone... my 200m hates me as well
[21:32] <DrakeJustice_> ardchoille: lol
[21:32] <qolo> I hate you too
[21:32] <tekteen> I assumed too
[21:33] <tekteen> cli=command line interface ui=user interface
[21:33] <debian-is-me> so I can just remove stupid stuff? like hp printing? torrent tracker? and other crap
[21:33] <ardchoille> I guess I could have foregone the "ui"
[21:33] <DrakeJustice_> debian-is-me: Alt+F2 'type 'konsole' then press enter then type into the terminal 'sudo sysv-rc-conf' and press enter
[21:33] <yakuzi> Hi all, i've a strange problem... i just had a sudden shut-down (for the 3th or 4th time in a few days) on my laptop (using gutsy)
[21:34] <DrakeJustice_> yakuzi: u need a new kernel compile probably
[21:34] <DrakeJustice_> yakuzi: userspace apps shouldn't cause that unless they are malicious...
[21:34] <bmk789> ktorrent isnt seeding correctly, is this a common problem?
[21:35] <DrakeJustice_> bmk789: no... what version are you using
[21:35] <yakuzi> i have totaly no idea what can cause it... because it's not a normal shut-down, but my laptop just turns of directly...
[21:35] <bmk789> 2.2.1
[21:35] <DrakeJustice_> bmk789: default gutsy version seeds fine for me... maybe a reinstall or check the tracker's in your torrent
[21:35] <tekteen> bmk789: it may be your isp
[21:35] <alexander> hi
[21:35] <debian-is-me> sysv-rc-conf not found
[21:35] <DrakeJustice_> yakuzi: that's what im saying, it has to be 'your hardware + bad kernel'
[21:35] <bmk789> tekteen: its worked fine until i switched to ktorrent
[21:35] <tekteen> type the command it gave
[21:35] <alexander> how do i install my printer (hp laserjet 1018) on my kubuntu
[21:36] <tekteen> ok
[21:36] <bmk789> it will occasionally upload slowly but it drops after a few minutes
[21:36] <ardchoille> debian-is-me: sudo apt-get install sysv-rc-conf
[21:36] <tekteen> no clue
[21:36] <DrakeJustice_> ardchoille: lol
[21:36] <debian-is-me> ' OK
[21:36] <Alarm> whats a good application to trace hosts, check for open ports and stuff like that ?
[21:36] <DaSkreech> yakuzi: power manager?
[21:36] <debian-is-me> Alexander: lolz
[21:36] <DrakeJustice_> Alarm: ethereal??? not my question guys...
[21:36] <debian-is-me> Alexander: Install a printer in kubuntu is easy, just go into the priter thingi and install it.
[21:37] <DaSkreech> !wireshark
[21:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wireshark - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:37] <DaSkreech> !info wireshark
[21:37] <ubotu> wireshark: network traffic analyzer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.99.6rel-3 (gutsy), package size 574 kB, installed size 1428 kB
[21:37] <Alarm> what do u mean ethereal ?
[21:37] <DrakeJustice_> alexander: you need programs called hp-toolbox, hplip, and hpjis...
[21:37] <debian-is-me> sysv-rc-conf how do I use? can I unselect anything i don't use?
[21:37] <DrakeJustice_> Alarm: ethereal is a network studying tool isn't it?
[21:37] <alexander> he doesnt find it
[21:37] <DaSkreech> !info ethereal
[21:37] <ubotu> ethereal: dummy upgrade package for ethereal -> wireshark. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.99.6rel-3 (gutsy), package size 22 kB, installed size 60 kB
[21:38] <DrakeJustice_> debian-is-me: read up on that stuff first man!
[21:38] <debian-is-me> Is it a overkill to run kdm and gdm at the same time?
[21:38] <DaSkreech> debian-is-me: yes
[21:38] <tekteen> debian-is-me: BE CAREFUL!!!
[21:38] <debian-is-me> witch one is best?
[21:38] <Alarm> drag0,  i dont know
[21:38] <tekteen> kdm
[21:38] <tekteen> I think
[21:38] <DrakeJustice_> alexander: use adept-manager to find those programs... or google them
[21:38] <DaSkreech> :-P
[21:38] <DaSkreech> the one you like
[21:39] <DrakeJustice_> i figured someone would yell...
[21:39] <yakuzi> can it be caused by a package that's maybe left after trying compiz-fusion?
[21:39] <DrakeJustice_> debian-is-me: don't run both unless you use both...
[21:39] <debian-is-me> what does alsa do?
[21:39] <tekteen> sound
[21:39] <DrakeJustice_> yakuzi: i don't think so... do you use proprietary drivers?
[21:39] <debian-is-me> Can I run kdm and gdm at the same time?
[21:40] <tekteen> I would keep that
[21:40] <tekteen> no
[21:40] <debian-is-me> Why? I usally don't have any speakers
[21:40] <DrakeJustice_> debian-is-me: yes you can, but you can only use one at a time
[21:40] <tekteen> ok
[21:40] <yakuzi> well i've the restricted intel driver for my videocard
[21:40] <DrakeJustice_> debian-is-me: you can run more than one at a time, but can only Use one at a time...
[21:41] <DrakeJustice_> yakuzi: that could be it... i wouldn't make that my first guess... how long has it been running good before shutting down (3months or more?)
[21:41] <debian-is-me> cupssys, is printers right?
[21:41] <tekteen> yep
[21:41] <DrakeJustice_> debian-is-me: if you don't know don't stop it!
[21:42] <Aartix003> debian-is-me: nothing happends here!
[21:42] <debian-is-me> ok
[21:42] <debian-is-me> in the other room
[21:42] <yakuzi> well i've installed gutsy around 1 week after release, before that i had feisty, working like a charm... (i didn't upgrade, a fresh install)
[21:42] <debian-is-me> look for debian-is-me in the screen
[21:42] <debian-is-me> what does klogd do?
[21:42] <Aartix003> woot?
[21:42] <DrakeJustice_> yakuzi: i hate to say, but you may need to reinstall to fix that kernel...
[21:42] <tekteen> logs kde programs
[21:42] <debian-is-me> change the room
[21:43] <debian-is-me> that can't  be useful?
[21:43] <DrakeJustice_> or google up howto compile a kernel for ubuntu
[21:43] <bjwebb> my cursor is broke :S
[21:43] <yakuzi> can i repair the kernell with the repair older instalation thing on the cd?
[21:43] <bjwebb> its stuck on the crossed circle
[21:43] <bjwebb> can i fix without logging out?
[21:43] <DrakeJustice_> yakuzi: maybe, i've never had that situation...
[21:43] <debian-is-me> It probably only use space an slow down computer making stupid logs?
[21:44] <DrakeJustice_> debian-is-me: you'd be surprised later when you need those logs to fix something and don't have them...
[21:44] <debian-is-me> so it is safe to remove?
[21:44] <rahmat> how do I make emerald my main theme manager?
[21:44] <tekteen> debian-is-me: 1 I use them 2 they will be started later by kde
[21:44] <yakuzi> the thing is also, if i open adept manager and i search for installed packages with compiz, i've 1 left... "libdecoration0"
[21:44] <debian-is-me> crapy kde
[21:45] <tekteen> yep
[21:45] <DrakeJustice_> debian-is-me: i wouldn't... they don't take that much ram or space...
[21:45] <yakuzi> can i remove that safely? (maybe that's left from the compiz-try and it causes it?)
[21:45] <debian-is-me> nfs-common seams useless? is it?
[21:45] <tekteen> yep
[21:45] <tekteen> unless u use nfs
[21:45] <DaSkreech> debian-is-me: again gentoo would be good for that slow computer
[21:45] <debian-is-me> don't eaven know what it is
[21:45] <Aartix003> debian-is-me: aint working
[21:46] <Nyle> hey guys
[21:46] <debian-is-me> 600mhz amd duron
[21:46] <DaSkreech> debian-is-me: just tell it you want to install samba and it will only install waht you need to run that
[21:46] <Nyle> kubunti gusty keeps crashiin onn me
[21:46] <DaSkreech> Nyle: repeatable ?
[21:46] <rahmat> ok, im having serious issues, hah. Ive been searching everywhere but nothing has helped. I can't get KDM themes to work, can't get compiz confusion to work, and emerald theme manager to work.
[21:46] <Nyle> if i click to see a menu sometimes, it will reboot X
[21:46] <Nyle> if sometimes I drag a window it will reboot X
[21:46] <Nyle> sometimes it goes blank/black
[21:46] <DaSkreech> rahmat: You need to install a package for KDM themes
[21:46] <Daisuke_Laptop> yeah, i'd say it's repeatable...
[21:46] <Nyle> sometimes the whole system locks up
[21:46] <DaSkreech> !compiz | rahmat
[21:47] <ubotu> rahmat: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[21:47] <rahmat> I have kdm theme manager
[21:47] <Nyle> I've ran memtest for a while, cpu burn in test, all the cables are carefully plugged in tight
[21:47] <Nyle> this only happens in kubuntu gusty
[21:47] <debian-is-me> do i need openbsd? it seams usefull1
[21:47] <Nyle> what do I do
[21:47] <tekteen> lol
[21:47] <debian-is-me> not?
[21:47] <tekteen> debian-is-me: no
[21:47] <Nyle> debian-is-me: you need flowers
[21:47] <rahmat> I have the compix-fusion settings manager
[21:47] <DaSkreech> Nyle: is it repeatable ?
[21:47] <tekteen> debian-is-me: you do not know enough
[21:47] <Nyle> DaSkreech: yes
[21:47] <Nyle> DaSkreech: but I can't produce it
[21:47] <rahmat> I can load that but when I x the effects, they don't apply
[21:47] <rahmat> :\
[21:48] <Nyle> it just happens
[21:48] <tekteen> debian-is-me: sorry
[21:48] <debian-is-me> too not have openbsd wont kill my system?
[21:48] <rahmat> same with emerald theme manager
[21:48] <tekteen> ?
[21:48] <DaSkreech> Nyle: can you jump to #kubuntu-devel and explain what happens
[21:48] <debian-is-me> it will still boot and work?
[21:48] <Aartix003> debian-is-me: do this other day, im tired, i sleep now..
[21:48] <debian-is-me> ok
[21:49] <RichardBH> hi
[21:49] <RichardBH> does anyone know anything about usb mmory sticks/cameras in kubuntu?
[21:50] <tekteen> what do u need help with
[21:50] <debian-is-me> Should I use rmnologin or does it suck like all the other stuff?
[21:50] <tekteen> ?
[21:50] <j2^> Hello! I've spent most of the night on google, trying to figure out why 7.10 on a fresh install (Even in safe graphics mode) just gives me horizontal stripes (i can sort of see the desktop, but reading anything is impossible) (Core2Duo 2.66, nVidia 7300)  Knoppmyth and LinuxMCE works fine.
[21:51] <yurimxpxman> what's the sftp command to download an entire directory? `get dirname` isn't working for me..
[21:52] <debian-is-me> does sysklogd also only make stupid logs?
[21:53] <jords> yurimxpxman: Not sure there is one, but I think most graphical sftp clients (I use gftp) will just list the directory and then fetch each file...
[21:53] <DrakeJustice_> debian-is-me: 'system kernel log deamon'
[21:54] <jords> yurimxpxman: that works fine
[21:54] <debian-is-me> thaty would mean i don't need it at startup?
[21:56] <DrakeJustice_> debian-is-me: depends... what are you doing? a samba server? u need logs for servers... you'll get in legal bs over not having apropriate logs
[21:56] <debian-is-me> no a desktop
[21:56] <RichardBH> anybody got any idea why my camera isnt detected when i plug it in? (even as just a usb storage thing like in windows)?
[21:57] <DrakeJustice_> RichardBH: have you tried digiKam? it might be a PTP camera...
[21:58] <ardchoille> RichardBH: Plug it in and see if you can add it on digicam
[21:58] <ardchoille> *digikam
[21:58] <tekteen> my camera (ect.) work fine
[21:59] <ryanakca> Nyle: hmm... does it happen under GNOME?
[21:59] <Aartix003> how can I get an ATI driver for my grafic-card?
[21:59] <ardchoille> RichardBH: What kind of cam is it?
[21:59] <ardchoille> !ati | Aartix003
[21:59] <ubotu> Aartix003: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[21:59] <purpleposeidon> Is there a daemon for letting a computer access another's usb ports?
[21:59] <tekteen> samba will work
[22:00] <yakuzi> DrakeJustice_: after i tried compiz-fusion i removed all the things i installed... but if i search in adept on compiz, i still find an installed package called "libdecoration0" can i remove it safely?
[22:00] <DrakeJustice_> yakuzi: if you don't need compizfusion anymore
[22:01] <DrakeJustice_> yakuzi: make sure libdecoration isn't dependant on kwin or metacity first... most importantly actaully
[22:01] <Nyle> ryanakca: i don't use knome
[22:01] <Nyle> but it happens not under anything but kubntu gusty
[22:02] <RichardBH> DrakeJustice_: is digiKam something i can install with Adept?
[22:02] <DrakeJustice_> RichardBH: yea, if it isn't already in the menu
[22:02] <ardchoille> RichardBH: You should have digikam already in the Graphics menu
[22:02] <RichardBH> ahha, found it, thanks
[22:03] <RichardBH> im always worried i havent quite got 7.10 - i thought dolphin was supposed to replace konqueror, but theres no sign of it
[22:03] <ardchoille> RichardBH: Open a terminal and type:  lsb_release -a
[22:03] <methods> whats that program that can make a screen cap of a vnc session ?
[22:04] <RichardBH> ardchoille: lsb-release: command not found
[22:04] <ardchoille> RichardBH: you need a "_", not a "-"
[22:05] <ardchoille> lsb_release -a
[22:06] <RichardBH> ardchoille: my mistake :$
[22:06] <RichardBH> 7.10
[22:06] <ardchoille> That's Gutsy
[22:06] <RichardBH> yeah
[22:06] <RichardBH> i just thought that meant dolphin should have replaced konqueror :P
[22:06] <ardchoille> RichardBH: My camera wasn't detected either, but I was able to add it n digikam
[22:07] <RichardBH> digiKam cant autodetect it - ill try adding it manually
[22:07] <yakuzi> DrakeJustice_: it seems not to be needed for kwin or metacity, lucky for me because i was a bit fast with removing... your wrning came after i hit the remove :s
[22:07] <ardchoille> RichardBH: Which kind/model is it?
[22:07] <Aartix003> ubotu: "cant find packs"
[22:07] <ardchoille> !bot
[22:07] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[22:09] <RichardBH> ardchoille: Olympus C-725UZ
[22:10] <ardchoille> RichardBH: I don't see it in the list in kcontrol. only C-700, C-750 and C-770
[22:10] <ardchoille> RichardBH: I'm looking it up in the Hardware Compat List
[22:11] <RichardBH> ardchoille: im fairly sure its a C-700 DERIVATIVE
[22:11] <RichardBH> derivative*
[22:11] <ardchoille> Hmm.. don't see it there either
[22:12] <RichardBH> no, but i mean its almost identical to the C700
[22:12] <RichardBH> just has a slightly better lens on the front
[22:12] <ardchoille> Ah, ok
[22:14] <RichardBH> ardchoille: if it helps, im not sure any usb thing is detected..
[22:15] <ardchoille> Then you have a bigger issue than just the camera
[22:15] <RichardBH> in fact, i cant see my usb ports in the lspci list ...
[22:15] <RichardBH> *goes back to google*
[22:24] <sorush20> when I try to start system settings it keeps crashing any help please?
[22:25] <ardchoille> sorush20: Try launching it from a terminal and see if there is any error output
[22:25] <sorush20> I get this back trace http://pastebin.com/m486b9607
[22:29] <sorush20> any ideas anyone?
[22:29] <bjwebb> hi
[22:29] <sorush20> hi bjwebb
[22:30] <bjwebb> ħełłø
[22:30] <sorush20> hello bjwebb
[22:30] <bjwebb> any ideas of a video manager for linux?
[22:31] <purpleposeidon> !USB
[22:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about usb - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:31] <sorush20> bjwebb: is there a video manager in windows?
[22:31] <bjwebb> sorush20: well for windows
[22:31] <bjwebb> itunes?
[22:31] <sorush20> !itunes
[22:31] <ubotu> itunes is not available on Linux, but there are many audio player alternatives (see !players). For Daap clients (sharing music with other iTunes clients on the network), install banshee
[22:32] <sorush20> banshee is a good one and also kaffeine
[22:32] <bjwebb> i know, but i don't want an audio player/manager alternative
[22:32] <arash_> isn't itunes for music, not video manager?
[22:32] <purpleposeidon> !usb
[22:32] <bjwebb> it does music videos as well
[22:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about usb - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:32] <arash_> what is video manager anyway?
[22:32] <sorush20> there is songbird
[22:32] <sorush20> !songbird
[22:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about songbird - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:32] <arash_> !info songbird
[22:32] <ubotu> Package songbird does not exist in gutsy
[22:33] <bjwebb> its not in gutsy repos i don't think
[22:33] <bjwebb> songbird does video?
[22:33] <arash_> too bad :p. bjwebb, are you looking for a program that simply plays video files?
[22:34] <bjwebb> no
[22:34] <bjwebb> i have them
[22:34] <sorush20> there just isn't a program like that available as far as I know for linux
[22:35] <bjwebb> hmmm
[22:35] <methods> hey ?
[22:35] <arash_> mind describing what a 'video manager' is?
[22:35] <bjwebb> you would have thought someone would have done an itunes clone with video
[22:35] <methods> is x11 tcp turned off ?
[22:35] <bjwebb> arash_: like amarok is an audio manager
[22:35] <arash_> bjwebb: ah, you mean it's have them in a playlist?
[22:36] <sorush20> how do I add a user to a group from the command line
[22:36] <bjwebb> arash_: yeah and a library
[22:36] <zengen> Anyone know of a cd catalog app that will index id3 date of mp3's?
[22:36] <arash_> bjwebb: maybe Democracy player or Miro is what ur looking for, I've nnot really used any of them seriously...
[22:36] <bjwebb> arash_: hmm mebbe
[22:37] <arash_> !info Democracy
[22:37] <ubotu> Package democracy does not exist in gutsy
[22:37] <arash_> !info Democracy Player
[22:38] <bjwebb> !info miro
[22:38] <ubotu> miro: GTK+ based RSS video aggregator. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.8.1-0ubuntu5 (gutsy), package size 555 kB, installed size 3012 kB
[22:38] <bjwebb> arash_: you know Democracy = Miro
[22:38] <arash_> bjwebb: yea, but I wasn't sure if they implemented it in 7.10
[22:38] <bjwebb> oh okies
[22:39] <arash_> bjwebb: I still have Democracy Player ;) , (I have 7.04), it's far to buggy to use
[22:39] <bjwebb> yeah, i think i tried one of them briefly
[22:40] <B-Minus> how can i upgrade to the latest compiz-fusion ?
[22:41] <Alarm> when i just tried to do an apt-get upgrade , there were some packages to get upgraded like iceweasel openoffice.org-java-common . but i get also that penoffice.org openoffice.org-base and many others are being kept back, why is that
[22:41] <d3vil_> hi
[22:41] <sorush20> what are the dbg packages for system settings?
[22:42] <methods> how do i enable x11 over tcp ?
[22:44] <d3vil_> Hi, this is my first try with Linux... i installed kubuntu and can't access my other (sata) windos partitions
[22:45] <yakuzi> !firewall
[22:45] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[22:45] <[Relic]> Hello :)
[22:45] <d3vil_> i have read  that  i modified the fstab...
[22:45] <d3vil_> ...but have no idea
[22:46] <[Relic]> Got kdesudo running at boot but failing where do I look to see what it is trying to run that fails?
[22:47] <RichardBH> anybody know anything about pci cards not being detected in kubuntu?
[22:47] <sorush20> RichardBH: what pci card
[22:47] <RichardBH> its a USB card with 2 sockets on
[22:48] <sorush20> most usbs are detected..
[22:48] <sorush20> try do in lspci to find out the name
[22:48] <sorush20> do you see anything that sounds like your card
[22:49] <sorush20> somone help me access my systemsettings it keeps crashing
[22:49] <RichardBH> i have a host bridge, pci bridge, isa bridge and ide interface
[22:49] <RichardBH> hten my wired and wireless cards
[22:49] <RichardBH> then my agp graphics card
[22:49] <sorush20> oaky
[22:49] <RichardBH> the usb card doesnt seem to be listed
[22:50] <DrakeJustice_> sorush20: type 'kcontrol > /tmp/bob' and paste the /tmp/bob file please
[22:51] <sorush20> there isn't anything is the file
[22:51] <sorush20> DrakeJustice_:
[22:57] <genii> RichardBH: Perhaps plug some usb deivice into it then see the results of dmesg
[23:01] <RichardBH> genii: the bits that get added just after it gets plugged in?
[23:02] <genii> RichardBH: Yup. then you'll know at least if it's seeing the usb somehow even if it's not listing it as on the pci bus
[23:02] <KeithF40> hey guys hwo do you get firefox working??????????
[23:02] <KeithF40> i downloaded it and have all the files but nothign opens it up
[23:02] <RichardBH> no - it still ends in the same lines, so it doesnt look like anything is getting added
[23:03] <RichardBH> genii: i know the USBs have power because the camera turns on
[23:03] <genii> So you went to Adept or Synaptic package manager and chose for firefox to be installed, it installed, and now won't run?
[23:03] <KeithF40> oh i didnt know what to do there
[23:03] <KeithF40> i just downloaded the file and extracted it
[23:03] <KeithF40> im very new to linux
[23:04] <Daisuke_Laptop> proposal for hardy
[23:04] <Daisuke_Laptop> non-skippable new-user tutorial.
[23:04] <Daisuke_Laptop> explaining repositories and software installation :)
[23:04] <KeithF40> ok im in the manager
[23:04] <genii> KeithF40: Install by package manager when possible :) Another alternative is from a Konsole, to type in: sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get install firefox
[23:04] <RichardBH> Daisuke_Laptop: that would have been so useful for me...
[23:04] <KeithF40> where is this tutorial for me to read
[23:05] <eljefe_> can anyone tell me why me Kaffeine won't start?  It bounces there, mocking me, but there is no CPU usage or anything.
[23:05] <genii> RichardBH: Does it show on command   lsusb instead of the lspci ?
[23:05] <RichardBH> lsusb just makes it pause for about half a second and then display the next prompt
[23:06] <BluesKaj> eljefe_, are trying to play a commercial dvd ?
[23:06] <genii> KeithF40: OK you see where it has Search in top left? put in for instance   firefox
[23:06] <eljefe_> BluesKaj: no, a home video.  its not the videotho, i cannot even launch the app.
[23:07] <KeithF40> yeah there are like 20 maybe
[23:07] <BluesKaj> will VLC play the video eljefe_ ?
[23:07] <eljefe_> mplayer will
[23:07] <eljefe_> its not the video, tho.  kaffeine won't open
[23:07] <navets> is there a way to reinstall the gutsy kernel
[23:07] <genii> KeithF40: n to where the main one, just firefox is. then check off the box
[23:07] <kubuntunewbie> get vlc
[23:07] <eljefe_> any video or anything
[23:07] <eljefe_> lol thanks kubuntunewbie
[23:08] <eljefe_> but  i like and want kaffeine; it worked yesterday.
[23:08] <KeithF40> idk if its workoing
[23:08] <KeithF40> i clicked reques install
[23:08] <kubuntunewbie> eljefe_: u think people want advice from a guy with the name kubuntunewbie?!?! ;)
[23:08] <genii> KeithF40: You have to hit Apply Changes in bottom right
[23:08] <KeithF40> not it says break isntall
[23:08] <eljefe_> lol
[23:08] <BluesKaj> ok eljefe_ , try to install libxine1-ffmpeg
[23:09] <eljefe_> already installed
[23:09] <eljefe_> i reinstalled kaffeine but still, no.
[23:10] <BluesKaj> eljefe_, was kaffeine working previous to your latest login ?
[23:10] <eljefe_> yes
[23:10] <BluesKaj> try a reboot
[23:10] <genii> RichardBH: Do you know how to use pastebin website?
[23:10] <eljefe_> i just powered down to install a hard drive, but I've done nothing with that yet, and i don't see how it is related.
[23:10] <eljefe_> ok i'll try it...
[23:11] <eljefe_> or can i just change runlevels?
[23:11] <kubuntunewbie> rebooting fixes everything
[23:11] <kubuntunewbie> one time i got a virus
[23:11] <kubuntunewbie> and rebooted
[23:11] <kubuntunewbie> and it was gone.
[23:11] <BluesKaj> <---doesn't fool with runlevels
[23:11] <eljefe_> i even removed the ~/.kde/apps/share/kaffeinerc but still no go
[23:11] <eljefe_> lol ok i'll reboot, back in a few
[23:12] <kubuntunewbie> anyone know of a good mindless game that can be played with a touchpad that is for linux and is free?
[23:12] <genii> RichardBH: You can perhaps put in the pastebin the results of command:  lspci -vv       as well as the entire contents of the file /var/log/dmesg
[23:12] <KeithF40> why am i getting this break install erorr?
[23:12] <RichardBH> genii:  ill give it a go
[23:12] <BluesKaj> kubuntunewbie, watch tv :)
[23:13] <kubuntunewbie> BluesKaj: already doing that
[23:13] <BluesKaj> tyhen yer halfwat there
[23:13] <genii> KeithF40: When you opened the package manager did it ask for a password?
[23:13] <BluesKaj> oops err then yer halfway there
[23:15] <genii> !ping
[23:15] <ubotu> pong
[23:15] <genii> OK, not ghosting :)
[23:15] <KeithF40> yes genjii and i entered it
[23:16] <RichardBH> genii:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/43055/ is the lspci -vv
[23:16] <kubuntunewbie> ubotu whats up homie? how u been? u pimpin hoes tonight?
[23:16] <bassmac> the packages with the kubuntu logo next to them in adept are "official" and others are not, right?
[23:16] <eljefe_> BluesKaj and kubuntunewbie -- yeah the reboot fixed it :)  thanks for the obvious tip
[23:16] <genii> KeithF40: OK, good. Exactly what was the message it gave about not being able to install, or such?
[23:17] <genii> RichardBH: OK, reading
[23:17] <kubuntunewbie> eljefe_: WAHOO! grab yourself a beer and enjoy watching that video u were going to watch!
[23:17] <DrakeJustice_> i just popped in, but kubuntunewbie: do you know what ubotu is?
[23:17] <eljefe_> will do!
[23:17] <kubuntunewbie> DrakeJustice_: yes, its a bot.
[23:17] <DrakeJustice_> kubuntunewbie: k
[23:17] <kubuntunewbie> DrakeJustice_: i was hoping a few people in here had a sense of humor.
[23:17] <kubuntunewbie> DrakeJustice_: ;)
[23:17] <DrakeJustice_> kubuntunewbie: otherwise that would have been hilarious...
[23:17] <kubuntunewbie> DrakeJustice_: lol
[23:18] <BluesKaj> eljefe_, it's not obvious , it's just that it's symptomatic of a prob I had a few days ago as well, but why it requires a reboot to fix puzzles me :)
[23:18] <DrakeJustice_> kubuntunewbie: only a few ppl im tore up on dro right now, so it didn't sink in
[23:18] <kubuntunewbie> DrakeJustice_: hahah, nice bro
[23:18] <RichardBH> genii: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/43056/ is the /var/lg/dmesg file
[23:19] <genii> RichardBH: Great :) Reading
[23:19] <eljefe_> yean me also puzzled too.  i wonder if it was "running" and I should have dug for its process?  whatever, we're in business.
[23:19] <RichardBH> genii:  thanks
[23:19] <DrakeJustice_> spacing back out into google now...
[23:20] <BluesKaj> eljefe_, we should have tried to launch it from the CLI , to see what the error output was ..but it works now so....
[23:20] <ubuntu> hi all i want to enable subpixel font smoothing in kubuntu, any ideas?
[23:20] <eljefe_> I had, even with an strace, but nothing.
[23:20] <eljefe_> without strace it just sat there.
[23:21] <kubuntunewbie> what are the chances I could get pokerstars to run on linux?
[23:21] <eljefe_> you tell us!  try it out
[23:21] <KeithF40> there was an error commiting changes possibly ther wsa a prob d/ling some packages or teh commit woudl break packages
[23:21] <KeithF40> could not commit changes-adept manager was the title bar
[23:21] <kubuntunewbie> eljefe_: well it is an exe file and i would not know the first thing about runing an EXE file in linux
[23:21] <eljefe_> next question, how do i get a UUID to help mount drives?
[23:22] <eljefe_> nah, i'll just use the /dev/sdc1 i think, not really needed.
[23:22] <robinson> evening, all
[23:22] <KeithF40> this is the firefox-3.0 package
[23:22] <robinson> running gutsy on my laptop, a compaq v5204nr. I have an occasional "stutter" in response, any ideas on how to get rid of this?
[23:22] <genii> RichardBH: Some clues there. "Cannot allocate resources to slot 5" etc etc. Also your ACPI or APIC is not being seen or setup properly. I would recommend to try a kernel option of pci=routeirq to try and sort out the resources (likely irqs)
[23:23] <robinson> i have 1GB of ram and a 1.5GHz CPU, worked fine on older distros
[23:23] <eljefe_> ah you ARE a newbie then.  To do so, make sure that you have installed Wine; then at a command line (browse to the EXE in Dolphin, hit [F4] to open a terminal there) run "wine pokerstars.exe"
[23:23] <eljefe_> kubuntunewbie: ^^
[23:23] <RichardBH> genii: ok - how would I go about doing that?
[23:23] <kubuntunewbie> eljefe_: thanks a lot.
[23:23] <kubuntunewbie> eljefe_: trying that now
[23:24] <eljefe_> sure
[23:24] <eljefe_> thats why we're all here, to share what we know
[23:25] <KeithF40> gegi you see what i wrote
[23:25] <BluesKaj> robinson, it should run fine with those specs, but it could be a graphics or other hardware driver struggling to keep up, with xorg settings
[23:25] <robinson> strange.. didnt have this stutter with fesity
[23:25] <genii> RichardBH: To test it for a single boot, hit esc at grub. edit the default kernel line that ends something like quiet splash to add in  pci=routeirq then hit enter to save it for that session and b to boot. To make these kinds of changes permanent editing with admin privelege the file /boot/grub/menu.lst for that same kernel line.
[23:25] <MaDiNfO_> does any one knows how can i enable TVout on my GFX board ? _> to watch some movies on my TV ???????????????????????????
[23:26] <ubuntu> hi all i want to enable subpixel font smoothing in kubuntu, any ideas?
[23:26] <kubuntunewbie> jeezus, i am downloading at 1500kB/s
[23:27] <arash_> kubuntunewbie, tss.. that's nothing
[23:27] <genii> KeithF40: OK, close the package manage, and then open up Konsole, from K menu..System. then put into Konsole:     sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get install -f -y firefox
[23:27] <kubuntunewbie> arash_: for 30 dollar a month cable modem its pretty sweet
[23:27] <genii> KeithF40: The password it will want is the same as for your normal login
[23:28] <RichardBH> genii: i add in the pci=routeirq after the quiet splash bit?
[23:28] <genii> RichardBH: Or before, makes no difference
[23:28] <RichardBH> ok
[23:28] <arash_> kubuntunewbie: oh, sorry, I was comparing with 'Windows Update' upload speed ;)
[23:28] <RichardBH> hopefully be back in about 10 minutes - thats how long it takes to shut down/boot up
[23:28] <RichardBH> thanks for your help so far if i dont make it back
[23:28] <genii> RichardBH: OK. after the boot see if lspci shows the card then
[23:30] <KeithF40> it said the package is not available but is referred to by another package
[23:30] <kubuntunewbie> eljefe_: oh wow, not in a million years did i expect it to work, but yeah, pokerstars is up and running.  i had no idea it would work.  Is wine pretty flawless?
[23:30] <eljefe_> far from it
[23:30] <eljefe_> but it depends on the app, and its getting pretty good these days
[23:31] <eljefe_> larger apps, like Office 2003 or something, tend to wrok less well
[23:31] <eljefe_> esp if its a MS app, as they like to make it hard
[23:31] <eljefe_> but that is great that you're running!
[23:31] <eljefe_> is it a fun game?
[23:32] <robinson> Running Dreamweaver 8 with no issues using wine :)
[23:32] <eljefe_> what release is Dreamweaver at now tho?
[23:32] <level1__> hi, knetworkmanager is being a little dumb for me, I've had this problem since gutsy beta.  Basically, it deletes elements from knetworkmanagerrc; it seems to have trouble with more than 3 hardware (MAC) addresses being associated with one AP
[23:32] <robinson> 9, i think
[23:32] <eljefe_> eh, not too bad then
[23:32] <level1__> copy in a new knetworkmanagerrc, sometimes it works
[23:32] <robinson> 9 may work, just no need to buy it...
[23:33] <eljefe_> Photoshop is another that doesn't often work well
[23:33] <kubuntunewbie> eljefe_: its a poker site, u can play poker for free against people
[23:33] <eljefe_> i think, i don't use it so no idea
[23:33] <eljefe_> kubuntunewbie: nice
[23:33] <genii> kubuntunewbie: I just did this last week for my friend, no linux pokerstars client. He says all the functions on it work as expected (feisty)
[23:33] <kubuntunewbie> genii: yeah, i could not believe it
[23:35] <kubuntunewbie> ahh this wine application is going to make my break from windows one step closer.
[23:35] <genii> LOL closed Konversation accidentally
[23:36]  * genii goes bleary-eyed to make coffee
[23:37] <cedur> hello
[23:37] <tekteen> hi
[23:37] <eljefe_> aiight, got my new drive installed and working, now i only have 1500GB to worry about backing up ;)  have a good evening peops, off to dinner with my lady
[23:37] <cedur> can someone halp me with installing VMware on ubuntu?
[23:38] <eljefe_> cedur: i don't think its available yet :(
[23:38] <eagles0513875> mornign guys
[23:38] <eljefe_> evenin' ;)
[23:38] <eagles0513875> lol
[23:38] <cedur> well
[23:38] <eagles0513875> eljefe_: i wish i had a lady lucky u
[23:38] <funcrush> good morning
[23:38] <eagles0513875> lol
[23:38] <eagles0513875> morning fun
[23:38] <cedur> good night : P
[23:38] <eagles0513875> lol
[23:38] <funcrush> lol
[23:38] <funcrush> ;)
[23:39] <eagles0513875> i should go to bed and i should be out clubbing right now
[23:39] <cedur> brb
[23:39] <eagles0513875> but i cant seem to get a hole of any of my friends
[23:39] <eljefe_> cedur: you can install from VMWare's site, but when the package is available for install with Adept it'll work/upgrade nicer
[23:40] <nosrednaekim> use virtualbox
[23:41] <BluesKaj> eagles0513875, you spend entirely too much time in here to have friends :)
[23:41] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: ull be suprised how many friends i have all i need is a gf
[23:41] <ardchoille> lol
[23:41] <BluesKaj> WE are your friends
[23:41] <cedur> well
[23:41] <eagles0513875> u guys are as well:)
[23:41] <tekteen> anyone know why the kubuntu install cds do not work in qemu
[23:41] <BluesKaj> hehe
[23:41] <eagles0513875> ardchoille: i figured out my problem
[23:41] <eagles0513875> !qemu
[23:41] <ubotu> qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo
[23:41] <cedur> is there a possibility that vmware will run on wine?
[23:42] <tekteen> no
[23:42] <eagles0513875> cedur: just use virtualbox its exactly like vm
[23:42] <tekteen> it is not working
[23:42] <eagles0513875> and its in teh repos
[23:42] <BluesKaj> err if you have vmware , you don't need wine
[23:42] <cedur> Y?
[23:42] <tekteen> ubuntu under ubuntu
[23:42] <RichardBH> genii: no luck :( although i did discover i have 4 or 5 7.10 kernels installed ^o)
[23:42] <eagles0513875> tekteen: i was just looking at it for my info i didnt know what it did
[23:42] <tekteen> ok
[23:42] <tekteen> sorry
[23:42] <eagles0513875> tekteen: there should be virtual box in repos for ubuntu as well
[23:43] <tekteen> next time you should private chat with the box
[23:43] <tekteen> (I have done it)
[23:43] <tekteen> bot*
[23:43] <eagles0513875> ardchoille: i figured out why i couldnt convert my wmas
[23:44] <genii> RichardBH: since the motherboard is also pre 1998 you will need as an option: acpi=force. (scouring the dmesg stuff again)
[23:44] <eagles0513875> whats become of hobbsee i havent talked to her in ages
[23:44] <RichardBH> does it matter that the motherboard may not have acpi?
[23:44] <BluesKaj> eagles0513875, think she's busy with her blog etc
[23:45] <cedur> please, god, make a miracle, and make mi shitty-installed wine run this wmvare
[23:45] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: what blog
[23:45] <WindowSmasher> !upgrade
[23:45] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[23:45] <oficinia> Hi, i need to go to Kubuntu-es
[23:45] <RichardBH> !ES
[23:45] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[23:45] <oficinia> Can you tell me how?
[23:45] <oficinia> Thanks
[23:45] <genii> RichardBH: Actually, it does have acpi, it's using some via chip for that actually. But you have to force the kernel to use it, older bios automatically for safety sake the boot process disables it
[23:45] <RichardBH> ah, ok
[23:46] <tekteen> type "/join #kubuntu-es"
[23:46] <eagles0513875> this is going to be a headache debugging this embedded java os that i found and make some upgrades to it
[23:46] <cedur> YES
[23:46] <cedur> its working!
[23:46] <cedur> i can't belive it!
[23:47] <genii> RichardBH: Other notes: If possible to set in the bios of the system, check the pnp on or off settings. On really old boards it might be something like windows95 compatible or not
[23:47] <WindowSmasher> Is there a graphical update manager to upgrade kubuntu?
[23:47] <cedur> crap, its not working.
[23:47] <ignoramus> Is anyone here any good with SynCE?
[23:47] <eagles0513875> none of the girls i like seem to like nerds like me
[23:48] <kubuntunewbie> WindowSmasher: yes, its called adept manager
[23:48] <WindowSmasher> Right, but I have to change all the repos by hand, yes?
[23:48] <kubuntunewbie> WindowSmasher: nope, let me get exactly how to do it for u
[23:48] <RichardBH> genii: what should it be set to if possible?
[23:48] <WindowSmasher> Thank you
[23:48] <oficinia> Hi
[23:48] <eagles0513875> WindowSmasher: u trying to upgrade to gutsy
[23:49] <kubuntunewbie> windows load adept manager go to adept and then go to manage repositories
[23:49] <kubuntunewbie> ^^ WindowSmasher
[23:49] <eagles0513875> *jumps out of a window
[23:49] <ignoramus> Has anyone been able to connect a WM5 device using synce?
[23:49] <genii> RichardBH: If irq assignment is an issue then set the bios NOT to use pnp. Then it will assign an irq to devices on it's own and report those to the OS
[23:49] <RichardBH> ok
[23:50] <WindowSmasher> k
[23:50] <WindowSmasher> I can only jump one version at a time right?
[23:50] <genii> WindowSmasher: Yes
[23:50] <kubuntunewbie> is there currently any sort of itunes software for linux so i can put song on my aidspod from linux?
[23:50] <WindowSmasher> rude
[23:50] <WindowSmasher> kubuntunewbie: banshee
[23:50] <ignoramus> kubuntunewbie: also, sonbird has ipod support
[23:50] <ignoramus> *songbird
[23:51] <WindowSmasher> I always forget about songbird
[23:51] <WindowSmasher> I used it for a while tho
[23:51] <genii> WindowSmasher: If you are trying to upgrade from some version like 5.10 or such, I would say to just back up /home and do a fresh install
[23:51] <ignoramus> WindowSmasher: It's been getting a lot better
[23:51] <WindowSmasher> I'm on 6.06
[23:52] <genii> WindowSmasher: 6.06 to 6.10 is the biggest leap/headache
[23:52] <WindowSmasher> okay
[23:52] <WindowSmasher> I'll use my works' ds3 to download 7.10 then
[23:52] <nosrednaekim> amarok can do it too!
[23:52] <WindowSmasher> haha
[23:52] <Chris7mas> hi
[23:52] <Chris7mas> don't you know, is there a way to mount or convert to iso a nrg image?
[23:52] <ignoramus> WindowSmasher: I actually backed up whatever data, and then just used the 7.10 live cd - a *lot* less headaches
[23:53] <nosrednaekim> Chris7mas: what is an nrg?
[23:53] <WindowSmasher> nrg is a nero file
[23:53] <genii> nrg=nero iso
[23:53] <WindowSmasher> right?
[23:53] <WindowSmasher> yeah
[23:53] <WindowSmasher> ignoramus: okay
[23:53] <Chris7mas> nrg image
[23:53] <DaSkreech> nosrednaekim: An ISO made by Nero
[23:53] <DaSkreech> it's nearly an ISo
[23:53] <Chris7mas> so can i mount it as iso with sudo mount -o loop?
[23:54] <Chris7mas> i don't have it yet, that's why i'm asking
[23:54] <genii> !info nrg2iso
[23:54] <ubotu> nrg2iso: Extracts ISO9660 data from Nero ".nrg" files. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4-1.1 (gutsy), package size 4 kB, installed size 64 kB
[23:54] <Chris7mas> thankyou very much genii
[23:54] <genii> np
[23:54] <WindowSmasher> thanks all
[23:54] <ignoramus> Chris7mas: I thought you wanted to convert TO .nrg
[23:55] <ignoramus> although i dont know why you would need to
[23:56] <genii> Chris7mas: usage is commandline but simple:   nrg2iso filename.nrg newisoname.iso
[23:57] <FUD> anyone been able to sync a SmartPhone with Kubuntu?
[23:58] <kubuntunewbie> FUD: what do u mean by sync?
[23:58] <kubuntunewbie> FUD: like sync contacts?
[23:58] <kubuntunewbie> FUD: i have a blackberry curve and i can get my data on and off of it with no problem
[23:59] <TheSayers> Hm. Why does kopete crash the system?
[23:59] <kyron> hello all, there seems to be many sources for info on ndiswrapper usage under kubuntu...too many, could anyone point me to a good one applicable to 7.10, thanks!
[23:59] <FUD> kubuntunewbie: i've installed SynCE, but it doesn't connect - it just hangs
[23:59] <FUD> I have an HTC STRTRK