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aileandoes hardy even exist yet?00:30
LjLailean: not really... the toolchain is there, and i think they're starting to import packages from debian, but that would be about it00:33
aileanthe topic suggests that there's something to work with :)00:34
somerville32ailean, Yes, it does exist. Feel free to upgrade but I doubt it'll work, lol00:35
somerville32(for long atleast)00:35
aileani'll leave it a while :D00:35
bazhang210 packages, 180MB or so00:35
bmk789wouldnt hurt to use it in a VM, test bugs and such00:36
aileanyeah, maybe . . .00:36
billytwowillyso how much awesome is hardy than gutsy so far?01:26
Toma-i doubt it even runs01:26
billytwowillyso I should wait an hour or two before updating?01:27
Toma-or even a month or 301:27
bazhangcheck out the proposed features at www.fsckin.com01:29
martalliIs kde4 planned to be default for hardy kubuntu?01:32
jimmygoonI can't wait for Hardy... I can't wait for Hardy!01:33
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Sonicadvance1Yo, what's are the repos for Hardy?01:58
hydrogenmm01:59
Sonicadvance1is it just hardy or heron? :P01:59
hydrogenmartalli: no01:59
hydrogenSonicadvance1: its the same as every other release01:59
hydrogenSonicadvance1: if you do not know the answer based on that upgrading is a really bad idea01:59
Sonicadvance1I'm just trying to make sure! D:<01:59
hydrogenlet me rephrase that02:00
hydrogenupgrading is a really bad idea02:00
Sonicadvance1A lot of choices in life are bad ideas02:00
hydrogenright02:01
hydrogenthat doesn't mean you should make them02:01
Sonicadvance1sometimes you just have to02:01
Sonicadvance1:D02:01
hydrogenand the rest of the time it just makes you an idiot02:01
Sonicadvance1woo idiocy02:02
martallihydrogen: Maybe it would be nicer just to remind people that early versions of any ubuntu+1 will be very unstable, with no guarantees of staility02:41
martallis/staility/stability02:41
hydrogenmartalli: thats what the topic is there for02:41
Sonicadvance1:D02:41
hydrogenI'm here for when the topic just isn't enough02:41
Sonicadvance1oh look, It's done installing all the packages02:42
martalliThese days, apt-get is just a disappointment02:42
martalliBack before the final release, there were always new packages to install.  Of course, now my audio works, so the trade off might be worthwhile02:43
* Sonicadvance1 breaks martalli's audio and runs02:44
Sonicadvance1Well, That was horrible :D05:11
bazhanginstalled it?05:13
Sonicadvance1Installed it, then reinstalled 7.10 :D05:13
bazhanghaha05:13
Sonicadvance1X didn't work05:13
Sonicadvance1oh well05:13
bazhangno bulletproof X :{05:13
Sonicadvance1:D05:14
Sonicadvance1I noticed05:14
Sonicadvance1failed when falling back on the failsafe X05:14
Sonicadvance1which made me laugh05:14
bazhang:}05:15
bazhangat least you could find some humor in it05:15
databuddyeh05:15
Sonicadvance1eh05:15
databuddyeehh05:16
databuddyeeeeehh05:16
databuddyXD05:16
Sonicadvance1:D05:16
databuddyso05:16
databuddywhere can i find a link on how to creat a spec for migrating one package to another05:16
Sonicadvance1aw, now I need to reinstall libgpod :P05:18
khermansenis Xorg broken in hardy?05:55
khermanseni am getting conflicts05:55
crdlbprobably05:55
bazhangearly reports say yes05:55
khermansen:-(05:55
khermansenlets fix it!05:55
crdlbit's been like 2 weeks...05:56
khermansenill help -- what can i do05:56
bazhangand failsafe x may fail05:56
khermansenfailed to load modules vesa, and kbd05:56
khermanseninteresting05:57
khermansenwhat is the loading process?05:57
khermansenand why did it fail?05:57
Sonicadvance1hehe05:58
Sonicadvance1early report from me! D:<05:58
crdlbcome back in a month :)05:58
khermanseni think it is because xserver-xorg-core wont build05:58
khermansenand also xserver-xorg-input is also not available in repos05:58
bazhanghad heard that tribe 1 will be end of this month05:59
holzmodemwhere can i request an update of one package (kdesvn) ?05:59
bazhang#ubuntu-dev?05:59
Sonicadvance1oo, tribe 1 at the end of the month? :D06:00
lemoi guess launchpad is good place to request also06:00
* crdlb wonders where all the patience went :(06:00
holzmodemi search thru launchpad, but i can't find any information about requesting updates of packages06:01
lemohttps://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/attal/+bug/2596 - there's one request06:03
ubotuLaunchpad bug 2596 in attal "Attal in Ubuntu is almost not playable, 4 new attal versions (0.9.3, 0.9.4, 0.10, 0.10.1) released, please update" [High,Fix released]06:03
lemoit's like normal bug request06:03
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`23megHobbsee, ping ping09:12
`23megshould I recommend people to use "update-manager -d" to start testing development versions, or to change their sources.list? AFAIK update-manager doesn't start notifying about development versions until a certain phase; when exactly is that?09:15
Hobbsee`23meg: when it gets put in, i expect.  cant see the point of putting it in yet, as testing is rather frought with danger atm.09:27
Hobbsee`23meg: either should work fine at this point.  i havent seen much breakage yet - although there's X stuff that looks fun.09:28
`23megHobbsee, update-manager doesn't seem to be working atm09:29
Hobbsee`23meg: then, recommend the sources list.09:30
`23megHobbsee, I'm writing a "how to test" sticky for the forum, that will be up for the duration of the cycle09:30
`23meghence my asking09:30
Hobbsee`23meg: don't do it till the autosyncs have finished, etc.09:30
Hobbsee`23meg: pepole will just hose their X, by forcibly dist-upgrading.09:31
`23megHobbsee, I know, I'll mention that09:31
`23megHobbsee, so either will work all along the cycle and are equally recommendable?09:31
Hobbsee`23meg: well, update-manager's sort of working now.09:31
Hobbsee`23meg: the other, of course, always works.09:31
`23megHobbsee, ok, thanks09:31
Hobbseethere will be breakage, so it's probably safer to use the manual approach.09:32
Hobbseeit's really not supposed to be used at this point.09:32
Hobbseealthough, i fixed gnome-hearts yesterday09:32
Hobbseeso that actually starts now.09:32
`23meghaha09:32
`23megHobbsee, should I drop an approximate time that's safe an meaningful to start testing?09:33
Hobbseealpha 1 for the earliest adopters should be sufficient.09:33
Hobbseei'd be one of the few devs running it now, i think09:34
`23megyeah, I bet most don't09:34
Hobbseemakes no real sense to run it09:34
Hobbsee`23meg: better to try and get the forums people to do useful stuff - most bugs are getting fixed inadveratntly at the moment, so there's no poitn in filing them.  or at least, as far as i've seen09:36
`23megHobbsee, will do09:38
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Hobbsee`23meg: particularly about packages not there yet, or dependancies.09:40
`23megHobbsee, yes, I'm mentioning that09:41
Hobbseecool09:41
Hobbsee`23meg: getting there!  https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/i386/+builds?build_text=&build_state=pending&start=75&batch=7509:42
Hobbseewow, less than 10000 now for all arches combined!09:42
Hobbseehttps://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+builds?build_text=&build_state=pending09:42
Hobbseebuild build build!09:42
`23megHobbsee, thanks for reminding; I'll link to the arch pages so that people can check the pending builds, dependency waits, etc.09:44
Hobbsee`23meg: i doubt it'll help - it tends to be hard to understand.09:45
Hobbseebut, it might be useful for some09:45
`23megHobbsee, hard to understand what?09:45
Hobbseewhat those pages mean.09:45
Hobbseewhy some of the stuff that has built isnt in teh archives yet09:45
Hobbseeetc09:45
`23megif people ask questions, I'll direct them to you :P09:45
Hobbseeheh09:46
Hobbseei'll just not respond :P09:46
hellboy195Hobbsee: hey, can you explain the realtion between building and buildscore to me? :)09:50
Hobbseehellboy195: higher buildscore == get queued higher.09:52
Hobbseesimple :)09:52
hellboy195Hobbsee: thx. and how high does the buildscore could go?09:52
Hobbseeno idea09:53
hellboy195Hobbsee: ok ^^ anyway thx :)09:53
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IdleOneupdate wants to remove 33 xserver packages11:47
IdleOneOh Oh! here comes some serious breakage :/11:50
IdleOnewell not so much breakge that I can see . let;s hope it stays this way12:01
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MoheroHi all14:39
Moherojust wondering as Herdy is going to be another LTS, will there be a document on upgrading 6.06LTS (server) to 8.04LTS Server without trailing through each release between?14:40
awalton__That's the plan.14:40
Moherothat is, once it's released... not for Alpha/beta14:40
Moheroexcellent14:41
MoheroI normally do alot of testing and playing with the desktop releases, but i tend to leave my server be :)14:41
Moheroso upgrading from LTS to another LTS would be great14:42
IntuitiveNipple Anyone good with solving 64-bit / 32-bit compilation issues, specifically, solving the macro-hell that is building qemus 32-bit targets on x86_64?14:53
ArenlorI truly can't wait until Alpha 115:35
WormHah, you will ;)15:37
Moherodon't have much choice BUT to wait :D15:45
ArenlorI know lol, but it's seriously one of the few things to look forward to this year lol15:46
`23megHobbsee, I ping you15:59
Hobbsee`23meg: pong15:59
`23megI'm recommending against filing bugs from VM testing installs against anything that has low level relations with hardware16:00
`23megyou think?16:00
`23megHobbsee, like, people shouldn't file kernel or X bugs if testing in a VM, right?16:03
Hobbseeum...probably not so useful.  *shrug*16:03
Hobbseeno point filing kernel bugs yet anyway - no new kernel16:04
SebastianWhat about bugs (such as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/157366) that are about Ubuntu not working correctly in a VM?16:04
ubotuLaunchpad bug 157366 in ubuntu "Gutsy freezes in VMware Workstation 6.0.2-59824" [Undecided,New]16:04
`23megHobbsee, I'm not talking about yet, but in general16:04
Hobbseewell, it can be useful16:04
Hobbseethat's what people test installs on, etc.16:04
Hobbseebut real h/w is more useful16:04
`23megHobbsee, what should I list in the sticky thread as the "don't file bugs if..." cases? I'm thinking frankensteined installs with non-ubuntu libraries, binary drivers, etc.16:06
Hobbsee`23meg: anything that's had automatix on it, anything from non-ubuntu packages.16:07
Hobbseebinary drivers tend to be pointless, too16:07
`23megHobbsee, k16:09
PiciI thought apport refused to file bugs if it detects .automatix files16:09
HobbseePici: it does16:10
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hydrogendon't file bugs if... you upgraded because it sounded fun16:25
`23megHobbsee, that should be "binary drivers not supplied by Ubuntu", right?16:27
Hobbsee`23meg: even if ubuntu supplies the binary drivers, by nature, they cant fix it.16:27
`23megHobbsee, I know, but bugs -are- tracked for l-r-m, etc.16:29
Hobbsee`23meg: sure, but nothing gets done about them.16:29
Hobbseefor teh most part16:30
`23megHobbsee, I'm just trying to get the wording right16:33
`23megHobbsee, --> (For the kernel, X and other components that interact closely with hardware) If you're using binary drivers not supplied by Ubuntu16:33
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siimowho is rockin' hardy?18:17
crdlbpeople who don't need X18:18
Piciwoo18:19
siimoi compile my own X18:20
siimojust use base system =)18:21
SpudDoggwhere can i download hardy?  i need something to mess around with18:32
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siimoSpudDogg: cant u distro upgrade from the current18:38
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Viper550Hey Hardyians19:15
KevinO0oOhello can someone point me to a download link for the beta?19:47
Viper550Don't think there are any builds of Hardy yet19:51
KevinO0oOok thanks Viper55019:53
Viper550I think we have a roadmap or something19:53
KevinO0oOI just figured since it said not to run hardy there was one, naturally I want to run it anyway19:54
KevinO0oOlol19:54
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