| ailean | does hardy even exist yet? | 00:30 |
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| LjL | ailean: not really... the toolchain is there, and i think they're starting to import packages from debian, but that would be about it | 00:33 |
| ailean | the topic suggests that there's something to work with :) | 00:34 |
| somerville32 | ailean, Yes, it does exist. Feel free to upgrade but I doubt it'll work, lol | 00:35 |
| somerville32 | (for long atleast) | 00:35 |
| ailean | i'll leave it a while :D | 00:35 |
| bazhang | 210 packages, 180MB or so | 00:35 |
| bmk789 | wouldnt hurt to use it in a VM, test bugs and such | 00:36 |
| ailean | yeah, maybe . . . | 00:36 |
| billytwowilly | so how much awesome is hardy than gutsy so far? | 01:26 |
| Toma- | i doubt it even runs | 01:26 |
| billytwowilly | so I should wait an hour or two before updating? | 01:27 |
| Toma- | or even a month or 3 | 01:27 |
| bazhang | check out the proposed features at www.fsckin.com | 01:29 |
| martalli | Is kde4 planned to be default for hardy kubuntu? | 01:32 |
| jimmygoon | I can't wait for Hardy... I can't wait for Hardy! | 01:33 |
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| Sonicadvance1 | Yo, what's are the repos for Hardy? | 01:58 |
| hydrogen | mm | 01:59 |
| Sonicadvance1 | is it just hardy or heron? :P | 01:59 |
| hydrogen | martalli: no | 01:59 |
| hydrogen | Sonicadvance1: its the same as every other release | 01:59 |
| hydrogen | Sonicadvance1: if you do not know the answer based on that upgrading is a really bad idea | 01:59 |
| Sonicadvance1 | I'm just trying to make sure! D:< | 01:59 |
| hydrogen | let me rephrase that | 02:00 |
| hydrogen | upgrading is a really bad idea | 02:00 |
| Sonicadvance1 | A lot of choices in life are bad ideas | 02:00 |
| hydrogen | right | 02:01 |
| hydrogen | that doesn't mean you should make them | 02:01 |
| Sonicadvance1 | sometimes you just have to | 02:01 |
| Sonicadvance1 | :D | 02:01 |
| hydrogen | and the rest of the time it just makes you an idiot | 02:01 |
| Sonicadvance1 | woo idiocy | 02:02 |
| martalli | hydrogen: Maybe it would be nicer just to remind people that early versions of any ubuntu+1 will be very unstable, with no guarantees of staility | 02:41 |
| martalli | s/staility/stability | 02:41 |
| hydrogen | martalli: thats what the topic is there for | 02:41 |
| Sonicadvance1 | :D | 02:41 |
| hydrogen | I'm here for when the topic just isn't enough | 02:41 |
| Sonicadvance1 | oh look, It's done installing all the packages | 02:42 |
| martalli | These days, apt-get is just a disappointment | 02:42 |
| martalli | Back before the final release, there were always new packages to install. Of course, now my audio works, so the trade off might be worthwhile | 02:43 |
| * Sonicadvance1 breaks martalli's audio and runs | 02:44 | |
| Sonicadvance1 | Well, That was horrible :D | 05:11 |
| bazhang | installed it? | 05:13 |
| Sonicadvance1 | Installed it, then reinstalled 7.10 :D | 05:13 |
| bazhang | haha | 05:13 |
| Sonicadvance1 | X didn't work | 05:13 |
| Sonicadvance1 | oh well | 05:13 |
| bazhang | no bulletproof X :{ | 05:13 |
| Sonicadvance1 | :D | 05:14 |
| Sonicadvance1 | I noticed | 05:14 |
| Sonicadvance1 | failed when falling back on the failsafe X | 05:14 |
| Sonicadvance1 | which made me laugh | 05:14 |
| bazhang | :} | 05:15 |
| bazhang | at least you could find some humor in it | 05:15 |
| databuddy | eh | 05:15 |
| Sonicadvance1 | eh | 05:15 |
| databuddy | eehh | 05:16 |
| databuddy | eeeeehh | 05:16 |
| databuddy | XD | 05:16 |
| Sonicadvance1 | :D | 05:16 |
| databuddy | so | 05:16 |
| databuddy | where can i find a link on how to creat a spec for migrating one package to another | 05:16 |
| Sonicadvance1 | aw, now I need to reinstall libgpod :P | 05:18 |
| khermansen | is Xorg broken in hardy? | 05:55 |
| khermansen | i am getting conflicts | 05:55 |
| crdlb | probably | 05:55 |
| bazhang | early reports say yes | 05:55 |
| khermansen | :-( | 05:55 |
| khermansen | lets fix it! | 05:55 |
| crdlb | it's been like 2 weeks... | 05:56 |
| khermansen | ill help -- what can i do | 05:56 |
| bazhang | and failsafe x may fail | 05:56 |
| khermansen | failed to load modules vesa, and kbd | 05:56 |
| khermansen | interesting | 05:57 |
| khermansen | what is the loading process? | 05:57 |
| khermansen | and why did it fail? | 05:57 |
| Sonicadvance1 | hehe | 05:58 |
| Sonicadvance1 | early report from me! D:< | 05:58 |
| crdlb | come back in a month :) | 05:58 |
| khermansen | i think it is because xserver-xorg-core wont build | 05:58 |
| khermansen | and also xserver-xorg-input is also not available in repos | 05:58 |
| bazhang | had heard that tribe 1 will be end of this month | 05:59 |
| holzmodem | where can i request an update of one package (kdesvn) ? | 05:59 |
| bazhang | #ubuntu-dev? | 05:59 |
| Sonicadvance1 | oo, tribe 1 at the end of the month? :D | 06:00 |
| lemo | i guess launchpad is good place to request also | 06:00 |
| * crdlb wonders where all the patience went :( | 06:00 | |
| holzmodem | i search thru launchpad, but i can't find any information about requesting updates of packages | 06:01 |
| lemo | https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/attal/+bug/2596 - there's one request | 06:03 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 2596 in attal "Attal in Ubuntu is almost not playable, 4 new attal versions (0.9.3, 0.9.4, 0.10, 0.10.1) released, please update" [High,Fix released] | 06:03 |
| lemo | it's like normal bug request | 06:03 |
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| `23meg | Hobbsee, ping ping | 09:12 |
| `23meg | should I recommend people to use "update-manager -d" to start testing development versions, or to change their sources.list? AFAIK update-manager doesn't start notifying about development versions until a certain phase; when exactly is that? | 09:15 |
| Hobbsee | `23meg: when it gets put in, i expect. cant see the point of putting it in yet, as testing is rather frought with danger atm. | 09:27 |
| Hobbsee | `23meg: either should work fine at this point. i havent seen much breakage yet - although there's X stuff that looks fun. | 09:28 |
| `23meg | Hobbsee, update-manager doesn't seem to be working atm | 09:29 |
| Hobbsee | `23meg: then, recommend the sources list. | 09:30 |
| `23meg | Hobbsee, I'm writing a "how to test" sticky for the forum, that will be up for the duration of the cycle | 09:30 |
| `23meg | hence my asking | 09:30 |
| Hobbsee | `23meg: don't do it till the autosyncs have finished, etc. | 09:30 |
| Hobbsee | `23meg: pepole will just hose their X, by forcibly dist-upgrading. | 09:31 |
| `23meg | Hobbsee, I know, I'll mention that | 09:31 |
| `23meg | Hobbsee, so either will work all along the cycle and are equally recommendable? | 09:31 |
| Hobbsee | `23meg: well, update-manager's sort of working now. | 09:31 |
| Hobbsee | `23meg: the other, of course, always works. | 09:31 |
| `23meg | Hobbsee, ok, thanks | 09:31 |
| Hobbsee | there will be breakage, so it's probably safer to use the manual approach. | 09:32 |
| Hobbsee | it's really not supposed to be used at this point. | 09:32 |
| Hobbsee | although, i fixed gnome-hearts yesterday | 09:32 |
| Hobbsee | so that actually starts now. | 09:32 |
| `23meg | haha | 09:32 |
| `23meg | Hobbsee, should I drop an approximate time that's safe an meaningful to start testing? | 09:33 |
| Hobbsee | alpha 1 for the earliest adopters should be sufficient. | 09:33 |
| Hobbsee | i'd be one of the few devs running it now, i think | 09:34 |
| `23meg | yeah, I bet most don't | 09:34 |
| Hobbsee | makes no real sense to run it | 09:34 |
| Hobbsee | `23meg: better to try and get the forums people to do useful stuff - most bugs are getting fixed inadveratntly at the moment, so there's no poitn in filing them. or at least, as far as i've seen | 09:36 |
| `23meg | Hobbsee, will do | 09:38 |
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| Hobbsee | `23meg: particularly about packages not there yet, or dependancies. | 09:40 |
| `23meg | Hobbsee, yes, I'm mentioning that | 09:41 |
| Hobbsee | cool | 09:41 |
| Hobbsee | `23meg: getting there! https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/i386/+builds?build_text=&build_state=pending&start=75&batch=75 | 09:42 |
| Hobbsee | wow, less than 10000 now for all arches combined! | 09:42 |
| Hobbsee | https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+builds?build_text=&build_state=pending | 09:42 |
| Hobbsee | build build build! | 09:42 |
| `23meg | Hobbsee, thanks for reminding; I'll link to the arch pages so that people can check the pending builds, dependency waits, etc. | 09:44 |
| Hobbsee | `23meg: i doubt it'll help - it tends to be hard to understand. | 09:45 |
| Hobbsee | but, it might be useful for some | 09:45 |
| `23meg | Hobbsee, hard to understand what? | 09:45 |
| Hobbsee | what those pages mean. | 09:45 |
| Hobbsee | why some of the stuff that has built isnt in teh archives yet | 09:45 |
| Hobbsee | etc | 09:45 |
| `23meg | if people ask questions, I'll direct them to you :P | 09:45 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 09:46 |
| Hobbsee | i'll just not respond :P | 09:46 |
| hellboy195 | Hobbsee: hey, can you explain the realtion between building and buildscore to me? :) | 09:50 |
| Hobbsee | hellboy195: higher buildscore == get queued higher. | 09:52 |
| Hobbsee | simple :) | 09:52 |
| hellboy195 | Hobbsee: thx. and how high does the buildscore could go? | 09:52 |
| Hobbsee | no idea | 09:53 |
| hellboy195 | Hobbsee: ok ^^ anyway thx :) | 09:53 |
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| IdleOne | update wants to remove 33 xserver packages | 11:47 |
| IdleOne | Oh Oh! here comes some serious breakage :/ | 11:50 |
| IdleOne | well not so much breakge that I can see . let;s hope it stays this way | 12:01 |
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| Mohero | Hi all | 14:39 |
| Mohero | just wondering as Herdy is going to be another LTS, will there be a document on upgrading 6.06LTS (server) to 8.04LTS Server without trailing through each release between? | 14:40 |
| awalton__ | That's the plan. | 14:40 |
| Mohero | that is, once it's released... not for Alpha/beta | 14:40 |
| Mohero | excellent | 14:41 |
| Mohero | I normally do alot of testing and playing with the desktop releases, but i tend to leave my server be :) | 14:41 |
| Mohero | so upgrading from LTS to another LTS would be great | 14:42 |
| IntuitiveNipple | Anyone good with solving 64-bit / 32-bit compilation issues, specifically, solving the macro-hell that is building qemus 32-bit targets on x86_64? | 14:53 |
| Arenlor | I truly can't wait until Alpha 1 | 15:35 |
| Worm | Hah, you will ;) | 15:37 |
| Mohero | don't have much choice BUT to wait :D | 15:45 |
| Arenlor | I know lol, but it's seriously one of the few things to look forward to this year lol | 15:46 |
| `23meg | Hobbsee, I ping you | 15:59 |
| Hobbsee | `23meg: pong | 15:59 |
| `23meg | I'm recommending against filing bugs from VM testing installs against anything that has low level relations with hardware | 16:00 |
| `23meg | you think? | 16:00 |
| `23meg | Hobbsee, like, people shouldn't file kernel or X bugs if testing in a VM, right? | 16:03 |
| Hobbsee | um...probably not so useful. *shrug* | 16:03 |
| Hobbsee | no point filing kernel bugs yet anyway - no new kernel | 16:04 |
| Sebastian | What about bugs (such as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/157366) that are about Ubuntu not working correctly in a VM? | 16:04 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 157366 in ubuntu "Gutsy freezes in VMware Workstation 6.0.2-59824" [Undecided,New] | 16:04 |
| `23meg | Hobbsee, I'm not talking about yet, but in general | 16:04 |
| Hobbsee | well, it can be useful | 16:04 |
| Hobbsee | that's what people test installs on, etc. | 16:04 |
| Hobbsee | but real h/w is more useful | 16:04 |
| `23meg | Hobbsee, what should I list in the sticky thread as the "don't file bugs if..." cases? I'm thinking frankensteined installs with non-ubuntu libraries, binary drivers, etc. | 16:06 |
| Hobbsee | `23meg: anything that's had automatix on it, anything from non-ubuntu packages. | 16:07 |
| Hobbsee | binary drivers tend to be pointless, too | 16:07 |
| `23meg | Hobbsee, k | 16:09 |
| Pici | I thought apport refused to file bugs if it detects .automatix files | 16:09 |
| Hobbsee | Pici: it does | 16:10 |
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| hydrogen | don't file bugs if... you upgraded because it sounded fun | 16:25 |
| `23meg | Hobbsee, that should be "binary drivers not supplied by Ubuntu", right? | 16:27 |
| Hobbsee | `23meg: even if ubuntu supplies the binary drivers, by nature, they cant fix it. | 16:27 |
| `23meg | Hobbsee, I know, but bugs -are- tracked for l-r-m, etc. | 16:29 |
| Hobbsee | `23meg: sure, but nothing gets done about them. | 16:29 |
| Hobbsee | for teh most part | 16:30 |
| `23meg | Hobbsee, I'm just trying to get the wording right | 16:33 |
| `23meg | Hobbsee, --> (For the kernel, X and other components that interact closely with hardware) If you're using binary drivers not supplied by Ubuntu | 16:33 |
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| siimo | who is rockin' hardy? | 18:17 |
| crdlb | people who don't need X | 18:18 |
| Pici | woo | 18:19 |
| siimo | i compile my own X | 18:20 |
| siimo | just use base system =) | 18:21 |
| SpudDogg | where can i download hardy? i need something to mess around with | 18:32 |
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| siimo | SpudDogg: cant u distro upgrade from the current | 18:38 |
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| Viper550 | Hey Hardyians | 19:15 |
| KevinO0oO | hello can someone point me to a download link for the beta? | 19:47 |
| Viper550 | Don't think there are any builds of Hardy yet | 19:51 |
| KevinO0oO | ok thanks Viper550 | 19:53 |
| Viper550 | I think we have a roadmap or something | 19:53 |
| KevinO0oO | I just figured since it said not to run hardy there was one, naturally I want to run it anyway | 19:54 |
| KevinO0oO | lol | 19:54 |
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