| Vlet | So... can anyone pop into the developers conference to spectate? | 00:04 |
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| crimsun_ | yes | 00:09 |
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| Ahmuck | is there a way to install a non-pae kernel for ubuntu server? | 04:17 |
| kkubasik | hey, I was wondering if anyone knew what happened to/with the apt-sync or package diff spec? | 05:13 |
| kkubasik | there are still specs/wiki pages | 05:13 |
| kkubasik | but it seems like the code portion was completed some time ago, and I can't see what's holding it back | 05:14 |
| Burgundavia | kkubasik: deployment is an issue | 05:14 |
| Burgundavia | although the major use case is a stable --> stable upgrade | 05:14 |
| kkubasik | ahhh | 05:15 |
| kkubasik | the server-side diffs required? | 05:15 |
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| pwnguin | strange. there's a hoary backports repo still open? | 07:55 |
| Fujitsu | pwnguin: I doubt it. Hoary has been dead for 12 months. | 07:59 |
| pwnguin | https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+builds?build_text=&build_state=pending shows several in the queue... | 08:04 |
| pwnguin | i should probably write an irssi script to strip edge off of lp urls | 08:05 |
| Fujitsu | pwnguin: I presume there has recently been a mass-giveback. | 08:05 |
| pwnguin | i guess they could just be stuck in the queue forever as zombies or something | 08:06 |
| Fujitsu | As it was queued in March 2006. | 08:06 |
| Fujitsu | No, they probably failed soon after they were uploaded, and somebody did a mass-giveback which caused everything that has FTBFSed to be retried. | 08:06 |
| Fujitsu | And they will be probably be there after every mass-giveback in the future, as they don't seem to have died even though hoary did. | 08:08 |
| sebastian^ | good morning folks :)! | 08:19 |
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| pitti | Good morning | 12:39 |
| Hobbsee | hiya pitti! | 12:40 |
| Fujitsu | Hi pitti, Hobbsee. | 12:40 |
| pitti | Hey Hobbsee, hey Fujitsu | 12:41 |
| zul | hi pitti | 12:41 |
| hunger_t | Is archive.ubuntu.com only updated once a day nowadays? I only get new stuff at the first update I do each day. | 12:47 |
| Fujitsu | hunger_t: It is still updated hourly - there might just be no new stuff for you every hour. | 12:48 |
| hunger_t | Fujitsu: Thanks. | 12:48 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: when using GSSAPIDelegateCredentials, is there a way to get sshd to put them into /tmp/krb5cc_$uid rather than /tmp/krb5cc_$uid_$randomsalt ? | 13:02 |
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| pitti | seb128: good morning | 13:10 |
| seb128 | pitti: hey hey hey | 13:12 |
| asac | hi | 13:15 |
| Hobbsee | jono: guilty as charged :P | 13:22 |
| jono | Hobbsee: :) | 13:23 |
| Hobbsee | jono: but really, this is not Hobbsee - it's a green alien who has taken over. | 13:23 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 15:47 |
| wasabi | There any decent way to have a .deb file initiate an apt-get update and install from an archive? I'm suspecting no. | 16:16 |
| Ng | wasabi: I asked kees about that the other day and the conclusion was that there's no sane way to do it | 16:17 |
| persia | wasabi: Not really. There are some attempts to make other types of files do that, and there are hacks (see the wrapper packages in multiverse). | 16:17 |
| Vlet | associate the deb with a shell script instead of a binary perhaps? | 16:18 |
| * keescook is not an expert, so "no sane" may not be true, but certainly not one known to me. :) | 16:19 | |
| wasabi | I wonder if a better answer is to have a .deb which drops files into app-install, and uses debconf to instruct the user how to install it. | 16:19 |
| persia | wasabi: What's the use case? | 16:21 |
| wasabi | Well, I've been working on this ThirdPartyApt thing for awhile (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThirdPartyApt) | 16:21 |
| wasabi | And some fool gave me the idea that my work was completely useless because I could just have a single .deb file which added a file to sources.list. | 16:22 |
| wasabi | Which actually didn't seem like a bad idea. | 16:22 |
| wasabi | So, trying a few things to see if it's a suitable answer. | 16:22 |
| persia | wasabi: Ah. You could do that in a postinst, but it would be a violation of policy (packages may not alter conffiles of other packages). | 16:22 |
| persia | You could perhaps do something with /etc/apt/sources.d/, but that doesn't deem ideal either. | 16:22 |
| wasabi | No. app-install seems like an intersting answer, though. | 16:23 |
| wasabi | Have a single .deb file which a) configures app-install to offer another channel and b) uses debconf to instruct the user how to install the rest of the package themselves. | 16:23 |
| bmm | Dear developers. I've started a blueprint, which needs some discussion. How would one go about getting attention for the subject? | 16:23 |
| soren | puppetmaster and mongrel recommend it. | 16:24 |
| soren | Whoops, wrong channel. | 16:24 |
| slangasek | wasabi: no, there's no sane way at all :) there's a spec here at UDS about having downloadable apt config snippets that can trigger configuration of new apt sources and autoinstall of particular packages, though | 16:27 |
| wasabi | Yes, I know. I wrote it. | 16:28 |
| wasabi | or at least I think I did. =) | 16:28 |
| wasabi | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThirdPartyApt | 16:28 |
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| slangasek | right, that's the one | 16:31 |
| slangasek | hmm, are you here? | 16:31 |
| slangasek | have I met you already and failed to connect you with your irc nick? :) | 16:31 |
| wasabi | Nope. I'm not. | 16:32 |
| wasabi | Couldn't make it. | 16:32 |
| slangasek | ok | 16:33 |
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| manchicken | Anybody here use the Argus monitoring suite? It looks like it may be out of date a bit... | 17:54 |
| deadwill | manchicken, better ask on #ubuntu | 17:55 |
| manchicken | deadwill: Well I was considering updating the package :) | 17:55 |
| manchicken | I thought that development and package updates might be done in -devel :) | 17:55 |
| deadwill | nope | 17:56 |
| deadwill | it's on universe | 17:56 |
| deadwill | -motu | 17:57 |
| deadwill | btw, if it's outdated could be good trace a bug (wishlist) at lp.net | 17:59 |
| norsetto | \o/ deadwill | 18:00 |
| deadwill | o/ | 18:01 |
| soren | lool: You might want to actually upload your gpg key somewhere so that we can sign it.. | 18:05 |
| soren | :) | 18:05 |
| soren | lool: Forget. I'm an idiot. | 18:06 |
| soren | lool: Your splitting the fingerprint over two lines confused me. | 18:06 |
| lool | soren: A one line fingerprint didn't look a bit short? :) | 18:23 |
| soren | :p | 18:24 |
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| Keybuk | mjg59: do we still need apmd? | 19:23 |
| mjg59 | Keybuk: Potentially, yeah | 19:24 |
| mjg59 | xubuntu is probably still usable on some apm machines | 19:24 |
| siretart | not after we removed ampd | 19:54 |
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| LaserJock | soren: thanks :-) | 20:32 |
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| talcite | hi guys, I'm interested in getting into ubuntu development. Where can I get some more info? | 21:42 |
| crimsun_ | see the topic: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | 21:43 |
| talcite | I'm a 2nd year comp sci student, so my coding abilities aren't phenomenal, but I can work with the more basic stuff | 21:43 |
| talcite | thanks | 21:43 |
| talcite | hmm... so I'm getting the feeling that the MOTU team is more suited for beginners? | 21:54 |
| jpatrick | talcite: yes | 21:55 |
| talcite | I see. Is there somewhere I can learn more about the MOTU team? What level of coding ability do I need? | 21:55 |
| crimsun_ | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing | 21:56 |
| talcite | thanks | 21:56 |
| BigPick | Good afternoon all. | 23:12 |
| BigPick | Following up on my work for Bug #107188, I identified some possible errors in the python-apt package. | 23:15 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 107188 in update-manager "[MASTER] [kde] Upgrade tool crashed with " Cannot allocate memory"" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107188 | 23:15 |
| BigPick | I have filed a new bug under the python-apt project (Bug #159638) and included an experimental patch. | 23:16 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 159638 in python-apt "Possible Infinite Loop in "commit()" Method" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/159638 | 23:16 |
| wasabi | So if I were to want to actually try to put a few hours into debugging why my laptop can't wake up from sleep mode (blank video), where would I start? As in, what is the most common source of errors, video card drivers, X, shell scripts that kick off? | 23:21 |
| BigPick | I have no idea, that is a toughie. | 23:22 |
| BigPick | Sleep issues can be a result of a large number of factors all the way down to the kernel. | 23:23 |
| BigPick | I have never been able to get this laptop to sleep successfully. | 23:24 |
| somerville32 | wasabi, I would ask keybuck | 23:24 |
| pwnguin | wasabi: first place to look is the keyboard. does capslock work? | 23:38 |
| pwnguin | wasabi: mjg is apparently rather good at this stuff | 23:38 |
| pwnguin | wasabi: http://lca2007.linux.org.au/talk/54.html | 23:39 |
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