[00:04] <Vlet> So... can anyone pop into the developers conference to spectate?
[00:09] <crimsun_> yes
[04:17] <Ahmuck> is there a way to install a non-pae kernel for ubuntu server?
[05:13] <kkubasik> hey, I was wondering if anyone knew what happened to/with the apt-sync or package diff spec?
[05:13] <kkubasik> there are still specs/wiki pages
[05:14] <kkubasik> but it seems like the code portion was completed some time ago, and I can't see what's holding it back
[05:14] <Burgundavia> kkubasik: deployment is an issue
[05:14] <Burgundavia> although the major use case is a stable --> stable upgrade
[05:15] <kkubasik> ahhh
[05:15] <kkubasik> the server-side diffs required?
[07:55] <pwnguin> strange. there's a hoary backports repo still open?
[07:59] <Fujitsu> pwnguin: I doubt it. Hoary has been dead for 12 months.
[08:04] <pwnguin> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+builds?build_text=&build_state=pending shows several in the queue...
[08:05] <pwnguin> i should probably write an irssi script to strip edge off of lp urls
[08:05] <Fujitsu> pwnguin: I presume there has recently been a mass-giveback.
[08:06] <pwnguin> i guess they could just be stuck in the queue forever as zombies or something
[08:06] <Fujitsu> As it was queued in March 2006.
[08:06] <Fujitsu> No, they probably failed soon after they were uploaded, and somebody did a mass-giveback which caused everything that has FTBFSed to be retried.
[08:08] <Fujitsu> And they will be probably be there after every mass-giveback in the future, as they don't seem to have died even though hoary did.
[08:19] <sebastian^> good morning folks :)!
[12:39] <pitti> Good morning
[12:40] <Hobbsee> hiya pitti!
[12:40] <Fujitsu> Hi pitti, Hobbsee.
[12:41] <pitti> Hey Hobbsee, hey Fujitsu
[12:41] <zul> hi pitti
[12:47] <hunger_t> Is archive.ubuntu.com only updated once a day nowadays? I only get new stuff at the first update I do each day.
[12:48] <Fujitsu> hunger_t: It is still updated hourly - there might just be no new stuff for you every hour.
[12:48] <hunger_t> Fujitsu: Thanks.
[13:02] <Mithrandir> cjwatson: when using GSSAPIDelegateCredentials, is there a way to get sshd to put them into /tmp/krb5cc_$uid rather than /tmp/krb5cc_$uid_$randomsalt ?
[13:10] <pitti> seb128: good morning
[13:12] <seb128> pitti: hey hey hey
[13:15] <asac> hi
[13:22] <Hobbsee> jono: guilty as charged :P
[13:23] <jono> Hobbsee: :)
[13:23] <Hobbsee> jono: but really, this is not Hobbsee - it's a green alien who has taken over.
[15:47] <bddebian> Heya
[16:16] <wasabi> There any decent way to have a .deb file initiate an apt-get update and install from an archive? I'm suspecting no.
[16:17] <Ng> wasabi: I asked kees about that the other day and the conclusion was that there's no sane way to do it
[16:17] <persia> wasabi: Not really.  There are some attempts to make other types of files do that, and there are hacks (see the wrapper packages in multiverse).
[16:18] <Vlet> associate the deb with a shell script instead of a binary perhaps?
[16:19]  * keescook is not an expert, so "no sane" may not be true, but certainly not one known to me.  :)
[16:19] <wasabi> I wonder if a better answer is to have a .deb which drops files into app-install, and uses debconf to instruct the user how to install it.
[16:21] <persia> wasabi: What's the use case?
[16:21] <wasabi> Well, I've been working on this ThirdPartyApt thing for awhile (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThirdPartyApt)
[16:22] <wasabi> And some fool gave me the idea that my work was completely useless because I could just have a single .deb file which added a file to sources.list.
[16:22] <wasabi> Which actually didn't seem like a bad idea.
[16:22] <wasabi> So, trying a few things to see if it's a suitable answer.
[16:22] <persia> wasabi: Ah.  You could do that in a postinst, but it would be a violation of policy (packages may not alter conffiles of other packages).
[16:22] <persia> You could perhaps do something with /etc/apt/sources.d/, but that doesn't deem ideal either.
[16:23] <wasabi> No. app-install seems like an intersting answer, though.
[16:23] <wasabi> Have a single .deb file which a) configures app-install to offer another channel and b) uses debconf to instruct the user how to install the rest of the package themselves.
[16:23] <bmm> Dear developers. I've started a blueprint, which needs some discussion. How would one go about getting attention for the subject?
[16:24] <soren> puppetmaster and mongrel recommend it.
[16:24] <soren> Whoops, wrong channel.
[16:27] <slangasek> wasabi: no, there's no sane way at all :)  there's a spec here at UDS about having downloadable apt config snippets that can trigger configuration of new apt sources and autoinstall of particular packages, though
[16:28] <wasabi> Yes, I know. I wrote it.
[16:28] <wasabi> or at least I think I did. =)
[16:28] <wasabi> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThirdPartyApt
[16:31] <slangasek> right, that's the one
[16:31] <slangasek> hmm, are you here?
[16:31] <slangasek> have I met you already and failed to connect you with your irc nick? :)
[16:32] <wasabi> Nope. I'm not.
[16:32] <wasabi> Couldn't make it.
[16:33] <slangasek> ok
[17:54] <manchicken> Anybody here use the Argus monitoring suite?  It looks like it may be out of date a bit...
[17:55] <deadwill> manchicken, better ask on #ubuntu
[17:55] <manchicken> deadwill: Well I was considering updating the package :)
[17:55] <manchicken> I thought that development and package updates might be done in -devel :)
[17:56] <deadwill> nope
[17:56] <deadwill> it's on universe
[17:57] <deadwill> -motu
[17:59] <deadwill> btw, if it's outdated could be good trace a bug (wishlist) at lp.net
[18:00] <norsetto> \o/ deadwill
[18:01] <deadwill> o/
[18:05] <soren> lool: You might want to actually upload your gpg key somewhere so that we can sign it..
[18:05] <soren> :)
[18:06] <soren> lool: Forget. I'm an idiot.
[18:06] <soren> lool: Your splitting the fingerprint over two lines confused me.
[18:23] <lool> soren: A one line fingerprint didn't look a bit short?  :)
[18:24] <soren> :p
[19:23] <Keybuk> mjg59: do we still need apmd?
[19:24] <mjg59> Keybuk: Potentially, yeah
[19:24] <mjg59> xubuntu is probably still usable on some apm machines
[19:54] <siretart> not after we removed ampd
[20:32] <LaserJock> soren: thanks :-)
[21:42] <talcite> hi guys, I'm interested in getting into ubuntu development. Where can I get some more info?
[21:43] <crimsun_> see the topic: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment
[21:43] <talcite> I'm a 2nd year comp sci student, so my coding abilities aren't phenomenal, but I can work with the more basic stuff
[21:43] <talcite> thanks
[21:54] <talcite> hmm... so I'm getting the feeling that the MOTU team is more suited for beginners?
[21:55] <jpatrick> talcite: yes
[21:55] <talcite> I see. Is there somewhere I can learn more about the MOTU team? What level of coding ability do I need?
[21:56] <crimsun_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing
[21:56] <talcite> thanks
[23:12] <BigPick> Good afternoon all.
[23:15] <BigPick> Following up on my work for Bug #107188, I identified some possible errors in the python-apt package.
[23:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 107188 in update-manager "[MASTER] [kde] Upgrade tool crashed with " Cannot allocate memory"" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107188
[23:16] <BigPick> I have filed a new bug under the python-apt project (Bug #159638) and included an experimental patch.
[23:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 159638 in python-apt "Possible Infinite Loop in "commit()" Method" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/159638
[23:21] <wasabi> So if I were to want to actually try to put a few hours into debugging why my laptop can't wake up from sleep mode (blank video), where would I start? As in, what is the most common source of errors, video card drivers, X, shell scripts that kick off?
[23:22] <BigPick> I have no idea, that is a toughie.
[23:23] <BigPick> Sleep issues can be a result of a large number of factors all the way down to the kernel.
[23:24] <BigPick> I have never been able to get this laptop to sleep successfully.
[23:24] <somerville32> wasabi, I would ask keybuck
[23:38] <pwnguin> wasabi: first place to look is the keyboard. does capslock work?
[23:38] <pwnguin> wasabi: mjg is apparently rather good at this stuff
[23:39] <pwnguin> wasabi: http://lca2007.linux.org.au/talk/54.html