[00:04] So... can anyone pop into the developers conference to spectate? [00:09] yes === Pici` is now known as Pici === chuck_ is now known as zul === Burgundavia_ is now known as Burgundavia === rob1 is now known as rob [04:17] is there a way to install a non-pae kernel for ubuntu server? [05:13] hey, I was wondering if anyone knew what happened to/with the apt-sync or package diff spec? [05:13] there are still specs/wiki pages [05:14] but it seems like the code portion was completed some time ago, and I can't see what's holding it back [05:14] kkubasik: deployment is an issue [05:14] although the major use case is a stable --> stable upgrade [05:15] ahhh [05:15] the server-side diffs required? === hxizan is now known as lukas_ === elkbuntu_ is now known as elkbuntu [07:55] strange. there's a hoary backports repo still open? [07:59] pwnguin: I doubt it. Hoary has been dead for 12 months. [08:04] https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+builds?build_text=&build_state=pending shows several in the queue... [08:05] i should probably write an irssi script to strip edge off of lp urls [08:05] pwnguin: I presume there has recently been a mass-giveback. [08:06] i guess they could just be stuck in the queue forever as zombies or something [08:06] As it was queued in March 2006. [08:06] No, they probably failed soon after they were uploaded, and somebody did a mass-giveback which caused everything that has FTBFSed to be retried. [08:08] And they will be probably be there after every mass-giveback in the future, as they don't seem to have died even though hoary did. [08:19] good morning folks :)! === asac_ is now known as asac === zul_ is now known as zul [12:39] Good morning [12:40] hiya pitti! [12:40] Hi pitti, Hobbsee. [12:41] Hey Hobbsee, hey Fujitsu [12:41] hi pitti [12:47] Is archive.ubuntu.com only updated once a day nowadays? I only get new stuff at the first update I do each day. [12:48] hunger_t: It is still updated hourly - there might just be no new stuff for you every hour. [12:48] Fujitsu: Thanks. [13:02] cjwatson: when using GSSAPIDelegateCredentials, is there a way to get sshd to put them into /tmp/krb5cc_$uid rather than /tmp/krb5cc_$uid_$randomsalt ? === pedro is now known as pedro_ [13:10] seb128: good morning [13:12] pitti: hey hey hey [13:15] hi [13:22] jono: guilty as charged :P [13:23] Hobbsee: :) [13:23] jono: but really, this is not Hobbsee - it's a green alien who has taken over. === cr3_ is now known as cr3 === cassidy_ is now known as cassidy === gouki_ is now known as gouki [15:47] Heya [16:16] There any decent way to have a .deb file initiate an apt-get update and install from an archive? I'm suspecting no. [16:17] wasabi: I asked kees about that the other day and the conclusion was that there's no sane way to do it [16:17] wasabi: Not really. There are some attempts to make other types of files do that, and there are hacks (see the wrapper packages in multiverse). [16:18] associate the deb with a shell script instead of a binary perhaps? [16:19] * keescook is not an expert, so "no sane" may not be true, but certainly not one known to me. :) [16:19] I wonder if a better answer is to have a .deb which drops files into app-install, and uses debconf to instruct the user how to install it. [16:21] wasabi: What's the use case? [16:21] Well, I've been working on this ThirdPartyApt thing for awhile (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThirdPartyApt) [16:22] And some fool gave me the idea that my work was completely useless because I could just have a single .deb file which added a file to sources.list. [16:22] Which actually didn't seem like a bad idea. [16:22] So, trying a few things to see if it's a suitable answer. [16:22] wasabi: Ah. You could do that in a postinst, but it would be a violation of policy (packages may not alter conffiles of other packages). [16:22] You could perhaps do something with /etc/apt/sources.d/, but that doesn't deem ideal either. [16:23] No. app-install seems like an intersting answer, though. [16:23] Have a single .deb file which a) configures app-install to offer another channel and b) uses debconf to instruct the user how to install the rest of the package themselves. [16:23] Dear developers. I've started a blueprint, which needs some discussion. How would one go about getting attention for the subject? [16:24] puppetmaster and mongrel recommend it. [16:24] Whoops, wrong channel. [16:27] wasabi: no, there's no sane way at all :) there's a spec here at UDS about having downloadable apt config snippets that can trigger configuration of new apt sources and autoinstall of particular packages, though [16:28] Yes, I know. I wrote it. [16:28] or at least I think I did. =) [16:28] http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThirdPartyApt === giskard_ is now known as giskard [16:31] right, that's the one [16:31] hmm, are you here? [16:31] have I met you already and failed to connect you with your irc nick? :) [16:32] Nope. I'm not. [16:32] Couldn't make it. [16:33] ok === nenolod is now known as ^nenolod^ [17:54] Anybody here use the Argus monitoring suite? It looks like it may be out of date a bit... [17:55] manchicken, better ask on #ubuntu [17:55] deadwill: Well I was considering updating the package :) [17:55] I thought that development and package updates might be done in -devel :) [17:56] nope [17:56] it's on universe [17:57] -motu [17:59] btw, if it's outdated could be good trace a bug (wishlist) at lp.net [18:00] \o/ deadwill [18:01] o/ [18:05] lool: You might want to actually upload your gpg key somewhere so that we can sign it.. [18:05] :) [18:06] lool: Forget. I'm an idiot. [18:06] lool: Your splitting the fingerprint over two lines confused me. [18:23] soren: A one line fingerprint didn't look a bit short? :) [18:24] :p === nicolai__ is now known as Kopfgeldjaeger [19:23] mjg59: do we still need apmd? [19:24] Keybuk: Potentially, yeah [19:24] xubuntu is probably still usable on some apm machines [19:54] not after we removed ampd === ^nenolod^ is now known as nenolod [20:32] soren: thanks :-) === awalton__ is now known as newtwalton === cr3_ is now known as cr3 [21:42] hi guys, I'm interested in getting into ubuntu development. Where can I get some more info? [21:43] see the topic: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment [21:43] I'm a 2nd year comp sci student, so my coding abilities aren't phenomenal, but I can work with the more basic stuff [21:43] thanks [21:54] hmm... so I'm getting the feeling that the MOTU team is more suited for beginners? [21:55] talcite: yes [21:55] I see. Is there somewhere I can learn more about the MOTU team? What level of coding ability do I need? [21:56] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing [21:56] thanks [23:12] Good afternoon all. [23:15] Following up on my work for Bug #107188, I identified some possible errors in the python-apt package. [23:15] Launchpad bug 107188 in update-manager "[MASTER] [kde] Upgrade tool crashed with " Cannot allocate memory"" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107188 [23:16] I have filed a new bug under the python-apt project (Bug #159638) and included an experimental patch. [23:16] Launchpad bug 159638 in python-apt "Possible Infinite Loop in "commit()" Method" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/159638 [23:21] So if I were to want to actually try to put a few hours into debugging why my laptop can't wake up from sleep mode (blank video), where would I start? As in, what is the most common source of errors, video card drivers, X, shell scripts that kick off? [23:22] I have no idea, that is a toughie. [23:23] Sleep issues can be a result of a large number of factors all the way down to the kernel. [23:24] I have never been able to get this laptop to sleep successfully. [23:24] wasabi, I would ask keybuck [23:38] wasabi: first place to look is the keyboard. does capslock work? [23:38] wasabi: mjg is apparently rather good at this stuff [23:39] wasabi: http://lca2007.linux.org.au/talk/54.html