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avilaHello.02:33
jjessehello avila03:24
avilaHi!03:24
jjessehow are you avila03:26
avilaDoing well, you?03:27
avilaI thought I would jump on the help-with-ubuntu-documentation bandwagon03:27
jjesseavila: in regards to the server documentation?03:28
jjesseor other documentation?03:28
avilaNo idea03:28
avilaI have no experience at all03:28
avilaBut I've been using ubuntu since June03:29
avilaand want to help out03:29
avilabut I have no artistic ability03:29
avilaand I'm not really a programmer03:29
jjesseawesome, glad to hear that, the easiest way to help is to start reading the system documentatin and start reporting bugs against it on launchpad03:29
avilaso I figured this was probably my best bet03:29
michael_macsame boat for me!03:29
michael_macexcept I am only 3 months into ubuntu and linux03:30
avilasnaz03:30
avilawe can learn things together03:30
jjesseawesome glad to hear03:30
michael_macsounds like a plan03:30
michael_maci would like to end up on the WikiTeam, eventually03:31
michael_macbut I am good with proofreading...for now03:31
avilayeah I was thinking I could go grammar nazi or something03:31
jjesseavila: if you want to go that way, grab the styleguide that mpt is going to be making sure is on the wiki page and go to town :)03:32
avilaYeah I haven't read through much of the wiki pages yet03:33
ardchoilleWhere is the system help by the way?03:33
jjessein ubuntu its in yelp and in kubuntu its in khelpcentre03:33
ardchoilleI'll have to make a kmenu item for it03:34
ardchoilleAh, first bug.. the khelpcenter menu item is missing in kubuntu03:34
ardchoillenvm, found it03:36
jjesseits just labled as help03:37
ardchoilleyeah, that's what threw me03:37
jjessei think its labeled help in ubuntu as well (i use kubuntu and haven't checked ubuntu in awhile)03:37
avilaoh, do we need to be running Gutsy for all this?03:38
avilaI haven't upgraded yet, I was going to wait a bit.03:38
jjesseavila: it depends on if you want to work on wiki clean up or the actual system documentation03:38
jjesseyou could always create a gutsy virtual machine which is pretty easy to do03:38
avilaI think I'll work on clean up first, that'll give me an idea of what I'm getting into anyway.03:39
jjesseawesome, well ping me w/ questions03:39
avilaDon't worry I will!03:39
jjesseavila:  are you on the ubuntu-doc mailing list?  al ot of converstain happens there as well03:40
avilayes, I joined this afternoon.03:40
ardchoilleSo did I03:40
avilaI'm a member of the MA Loco team03:40
avilabut really I"m just a cheerleader03:40
jjesseavila: cool, i'm in MA for UDS - Boston, tomorrow is my last day03:40
avilato them03:40
avilaoh really?03:41
jjessecomming back to boston in a couple of weeks for work as well03:41
avilaI work at the Kendall T stop so I thought about stopping by, but I figured it would all be over my head anyways03:41
avilaWhat do you do?03:41
jjessediscuss the next version of ubuntu03:42
jjessethis was the schedule for today: http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/uds-boston-2007/2007-11-01/index.html03:42
avilaHardy?03:42
jjesseyes 8.04 hardy03:42
avilawow, I didn't realize the schedule would be sooo packed03:44
avilathat's insane03:44
avilaI played darts with a guy who worked at the hotel that the last UDS was at in Cali. It was really fun to hear his perspective. He basically called us geek hippies03:44
jjesseavila: yeah you subscribe to the specs you are intersted and then the automatic schedule plans out when the sessions happen03:45
avilaoh wow, fancy03:45
avilaThanks for the introductions! Goodnight all!03:48
mptGoodnight avila (and welcome!)03:48
jjessenight avila03:49
mptAnd even quiet spectators are welcome at the sessions03:50
michaelrammsry to drop out...having serious firefox issues tonight03:53
michaelrammbrought down my whole system03:54
michaelrammand almost did it a second time03:54
mptFirefox brought down your whole system?03:54
michaelrammyep03:54
michaelrammand now it will not start apparently03:54
mptSure you're not using Internet Explorer? :-)03:55
michaelrammnot unless it is on gutsy03:55
jjessempt: don't you have to do a usuablity study of internet explorer :P03:55
michaelrammnow system monitor is freaking out03:55
michaelrammcolor > gray > color > gray03:55
mptjjesse, that's more a QA issue than a usability issue really03:56
michaelrammSo, we need to learn DocBook, eh?03:56
jjessewell it depends on what you want to do.... you can post bugs and not the fixes which wouldn't make you learn docbook03:57
jjesseyou could help out on the wiki wouldn't make you learn docbook03:57
michaelrammnot really good with bugs and fixes03:57
jjessebut yes if you want to system documentatin you need to learn docbook :)03:57
michaelrammespecially since I am new to ubuntu03:57
jjessemichaelramm: i din't know how to triage a bug when i started writing docs, but i've spent the last 3 hours on bug work :(03:57
michaelrammi am not closed to the possibility...just not my interest at this stage of the game03:58
jjessemichaelramm: i understand so one thing that you could do simply is to read the documentation and email the list w/ either typos or factual errors03:59
jjesseor someone from the doc book could help you out w/  learning how to reprt them03:59
michaelrammi can totally do that03:59
michaelrammso I have to download the repos, right?04:00
jjesseawesome, wen i started w/ ubuntu i dn't know how to report a bug and now i'm ata devveloper sprint helping out so be careful :)04:00
jjesseyou have gutsy instaleld right/04:00
michaelrammyes04:00
jjessejust read the docs that are provided there then04:00
jjessein help04:00
michaelrammok, brb...have to restart...again04:01
michaelrammok, maybe this will be better04:05
michaelrammi am on a temp desktop04:05
michaelrammmy main blew out a power supply and mobo04:05
jjessewow04:09
jjessewell its late and another big developer day before a flight home so off to bed04:09
michaelrammgood night, and thanks04:09
jjessenp talk to you l8ter04:10
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mdkesomerville32: yeah07:08
ardchoilleIn khelpcenter, when I click on Application Manuals > Graphics > DigiKam, where is that manual stored on the hard drive? Is It somewhere in /usr/share/doc/ ?08:15
ardchoilleThe reason is that I want to find an existing one, take it apart, and see how hard it is to write new ones for those which don't exist.08:17
ardchoilleI learned how to write man pages by taking existing ones apart :)08:18
ardchoilleFound it:  /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en08:35
ardchoilleI found an app that has no documentation (handbook). I'll try to write it myself.09:11
ardchoilleI have some info for you all09:44
ardchoilleI was going to write the handbook/docs for KnowIt but09:44
ardchoilleThe KnowIt handbook is already written, but it's in /usr/share/doc/HTML/en/knowit09:44
ardchoilleIt just isn't visible in khelpcenter09:45
ardchoilleI copied it to /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/knowit and the docs are now visible in khelpcenter09:45
ardchoilleSo, it's already written, it's just in the wrong location09:45
ardchoilleI need to file a bug about this. Would I file it against khelpcenter or against knowit?09:49
ardchoilleBug filed:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knowit/+bug/15946309:58
ubotuLaunchpad bug 159463 in knowit "KnowIt docs in the wrong place" [Undecided,New]09:58
ardchoillehehe, my first task as an ubuntu-docs student complete :)10:00
ardchoilleOh, and the Kompose handbook/docs are the same way.10:01
ardchoilleEither the Kompose handbook was someone's attempt at humour, or it was written by someone who had something against kompose10:30
ardchoilleAnother bug filed10:30
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ubotuNew bug: #159645 in kubuntu-docs (main) "Missing word in the french firefox homepage" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/15964522:40
nixternalFIXED22:49
jjesseBROKE22:49
somerville32MOO22:51
jjessequick tip the cow22:51
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