[02:33] <avila> Hello.
[03:24] <jjesse> hello avila
[03:24] <avila> Hi!
[03:26] <jjesse> how are you avila
[03:27] <avila> Doing well, you?
[03:27] <avila> I thought I would jump on the help-with-ubuntu-documentation bandwagon
[03:28] <jjesse> avila: in regards to the server documentation?
[03:28] <jjesse> or other documentation?
[03:28] <avila> No idea
[03:28] <avila> I have no experience at all
[03:29] <avila> But I've been using ubuntu since June
[03:29] <avila> and want to help out
[03:29] <avila> but I have no artistic ability
[03:29] <avila> and I'm not really a programmer
[03:29] <jjesse> awesome, glad to hear that, the easiest way to help is to start reading the system documentatin and start reporting bugs against it on launchpad
[03:29] <avila> so I figured this was probably my best bet
[03:29] <michael_mac> same boat for me!
[03:30] <michael_mac> except I am only 3 months into ubuntu and linux
[03:30] <avila> snaz
[03:30] <avila> we can learn things together
[03:30] <jjesse> awesome glad to hear
[03:30] <michael_mac> sounds like a plan
[03:31] <michael_mac> i would like to end up on the WikiTeam, eventually
[03:31] <michael_mac> but I am good with proofreading...for now
[03:31] <avila> yeah I was thinking I could go grammar nazi or something
[03:32] <jjesse> avila: if you want to go that way, grab the styleguide that mpt is going to be making sure is on the wiki page and go to town :)
[03:33] <avila> Yeah I haven't read through much of the wiki pages yet
[03:33] <ardchoille> Where is the system help by the way?
[03:33] <jjesse> in ubuntu its in yelp and in kubuntu its in khelpcentre
[03:34] <ardchoille> I'll have to make a kmenu item for it
[03:34] <ardchoille> Ah, first bug.. the khelpcenter menu item is missing in kubuntu
[03:36] <ardchoille> nvm, found it
[03:37] <jjesse> its just labled as help
[03:37] <ardchoille> yeah, that's what threw me
[03:37] <jjesse> i think its labeled help in ubuntu as well (i use kubuntu and haven't checked ubuntu in awhile)
[03:38] <avila> oh, do we need to be running Gutsy for all this?
[03:38] <avila> I haven't upgraded yet, I was going to wait a bit.
[03:38] <jjesse> avila: it depends on if you want to work on wiki clean up or the actual system documentation
[03:38] <jjesse> you could always create a gutsy virtual machine which is pretty easy to do
[03:39] <avila> I think I'll work on clean up first, that'll give me an idea of what I'm getting into anyway.
[03:39] <jjesse> awesome, well ping me w/ questions
[03:39] <avila> Don't worry I will!
[03:40] <jjesse> avila:  are you on the ubuntu-doc mailing list?  al ot of converstain happens there as well
[03:40] <avila> yes, I joined this afternoon.
[03:40] <ardchoille> So did I
[03:40] <avila> I'm a member of the MA Loco team
[03:40] <avila> but really I"m just a cheerleader
[03:40] <jjesse> avila: cool, i'm in MA for UDS - Boston, tomorrow is my last day
[03:40] <avila> to them
[03:41] <avila> oh really?
[03:41] <jjesse> comming back to boston in a couple of weeks for work as well
[03:41] <avila> I work at the Kendall T stop so I thought about stopping by, but I figured it would all be over my head anyways
[03:41] <avila> What do you do?
[03:42] <jjesse> discuss the next version of ubuntu
[03:42] <jjesse> this was the schedule for today: http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/uds-boston-2007/2007-11-01/index.html
[03:42] <avila> Hardy?
[03:42] <jjesse> yes 8.04 hardy
[03:44] <avila> wow, I didn't realize the schedule would be sooo packed
[03:44] <avila> that's insane
[03:44] <avila> I played darts with a guy who worked at the hotel that the last UDS was at in Cali. It was really fun to hear his perspective. He basically called us geek hippies
[03:45] <jjesse> avila: yeah you subscribe to the specs you are intersted and then the automatic schedule plans out when the sessions happen
[03:45] <avila> oh wow, fancy
[03:48] <avila> Thanks for the introductions! Goodnight all!
[03:48] <mpt> Goodnight avila (and welcome!)
[03:49] <jjesse> night avila
[03:50] <mpt> And even quiet spectators are welcome at the sessions
[03:53] <michaelramm> sry to drop out...having serious firefox issues tonight
[03:54] <michaelramm> brought down my whole system
[03:54] <michaelramm> and almost did it a second time
[03:54] <mpt> Firefox brought down your whole system?
[03:54] <michaelramm> yep
[03:54] <michaelramm> and now it will not start apparently
[03:55] <mpt> Sure you're not using Internet Explorer? :-)
[03:55] <michaelramm> not unless it is on gutsy
[03:55] <jjesse> mpt: don't you have to do a usuablity study of internet explorer :P
[03:55] <michaelramm> now system monitor is freaking out
[03:55] <michaelramm> color > gray > color > gray
[03:56] <mpt> jjesse, that's more a QA issue than a usability issue really
[03:56] <michaelramm> So, we need to learn DocBook, eh?
[03:57] <jjesse> well it depends on what you want to do.... you can post bugs and not the fixes which wouldn't make you learn docbook
[03:57] <jjesse> you could help out on the wiki wouldn't make you learn docbook
[03:57] <michaelramm> not really good with bugs and fixes
[03:57] <jjesse> but yes if you want to system documentatin you need to learn docbook :)
[03:57] <michaelramm> especially since I am new to ubuntu
[03:57] <jjesse> michaelramm: i din't know how to triage a bug when i started writing docs, but i've spent the last 3 hours on bug work :(
[03:58] <michaelramm> i am not closed to the possibility...just not my interest at this stage of the game
[03:59] <jjesse> michaelramm: i understand so one thing that you could do simply is to read the documentation and email the list w/ either typos or factual errors
[03:59] <jjesse> or someone from the doc book could help you out w/  learning how to reprt them
[03:59] <michaelramm> i can totally do that
[04:00] <michaelramm> so I have to download the repos, right?
[04:00] <jjesse> awesome, wen i started w/ ubuntu i dn't know how to report a bug and now i'm ata devveloper sprint helping out so be careful :)
[04:00] <jjesse> you have gutsy instaleld right/
[04:00] <michaelramm> yes
[04:00] <jjesse> just read the docs that are provided there then
[04:00] <jjesse> in help
[04:01] <michaelramm> ok, brb...have to restart...again
[04:05] <michaelramm> ok, maybe this will be better
[04:05] <michaelramm> i am on a temp desktop
[04:05] <michaelramm> my main blew out a power supply and mobo
[04:09] <jjesse> wow
[04:09] <jjesse> well its late and another big developer day before a flight home so off to bed
[04:09] <michaelramm> good night, and thanks
[04:10] <jjesse> np talk to you l8ter
[07:08] <mdke> somerville32: yeah
[08:15] <ardchoille> In khelpcenter, when I click on Application Manuals > Graphics > DigiKam, where is that manual stored on the hard drive? Is It somewhere in /usr/share/doc/ ?
[08:17] <ardchoille> The reason is that I want to find an existing one, take it apart, and see how hard it is to write new ones for those which don't exist.
[08:18] <ardchoille> I learned how to write man pages by taking existing ones apart :)
[08:35] <ardchoille> Found it:  /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en
[09:11] <ardchoille> I found an app that has no documentation (handbook). I'll try to write it myself.
[09:44] <ardchoille> I have some info for you all
[09:44] <ardchoille> I was going to write the handbook/docs for KnowIt but
[09:44] <ardchoille> The KnowIt handbook is already written, but it's in /usr/share/doc/HTML/en/knowit
[09:45] <ardchoille> It just isn't visible in khelpcenter
[09:45] <ardchoille> I copied it to /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/knowit and the docs are now visible in khelpcenter
[09:45] <ardchoille> So, it's already written, it's just in the wrong location
[09:49] <ardchoille> I need to file a bug about this. Would I file it against khelpcenter or against knowit?
[09:58] <ardchoille> Bug filed:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knowit/+bug/159463
[09:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 159463 in knowit "KnowIt docs in the wrong place" [Undecided,New]
[10:00] <ardchoille> hehe, my first task as an ubuntu-docs student complete :)
[10:01] <ardchoille> Oh, and the Kompose handbook/docs are the same way.
[10:30] <ardchoille> Either the Kompose handbook was someone's attempt at humour, or it was written by someone who had something against kompose
[10:30] <ardchoille> Another bug filed
[22:40] <ubotu> New bug: #159645 in kubuntu-docs (main) "Missing word in the french firefox homepage" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/159645
[22:49] <nixternal> FIXED
[22:49] <jjesse> BROKE
[22:51] <somerville32> MOO
[22:51] <jjesse> quick tip the cow
[22:51]  * somerville32 scrambles.