[00:03] <PriceChild> Erm.... why is there a PriceChild online....
[00:03] <PriceChild> *hasn't logged on for several hours*
[00:03] <PriceChild> wait... thought i was on as pricey
[00:03] <PriceChild> gah wrong network
[00:03] <PriceChild> *smacks xchat for being so slow to refresh things on startup*
[00:03]  * jrib gives PriceChild a cookie
[00:03]  * crdlb gives PriceChild irssi
[00:08] <crdlb> speaking of irssi, is there anything better out there than auto_bleh.pl?
[00:08] <nalioth> better in what way?
[00:08] <crdlb> more powerful? :)
[00:09] <jrib> ability to slap a user?
[00:09] <crdlb> like auto_bleh doesn't support unbanning by nick lookup afaict
[00:10] <nalioth> crdlb: you should track down goert and find out where his suggestion box is
[00:21] <Pici> crdlb: I think sev.eas or j.dong were working on a version of the xchat script for irssi.
[00:22] <crdlb> that would be great, too bad there's no python script support :(
[00:22] <crdlb> if there were, I'd do it :)
[00:22] <jdong> Pici: yeah, I volunteered to do that
[00:22] <jdong> it's not the python->perl that'll take a long time, as I've said before...
[00:22] <Pici> jdong: did that hilight you?
[00:23] <jdong> it's the xchat API -> irssi API
[00:23] <jdong> Pici: you'd be surprised :)
[00:24] <crdlb> jdong: well yeah, but I could handle that, I just don't want to learn perl :)
[00:44] <jdong> Pici: is it weird to have a regexp hilight? :)
[01:49] <LjL> does anyone else get the impression that there's too many people joining #u?
[01:56] <ubotu> Hirvinen called the ops in #kubuntu (k5ubuntu /danny/ubuntu_/ubuntu_admin)
[02:01] <LjL> !no kompozer is a WYSIWYG HTML editor for easily creating web pages, and the continuation of the dead Nvu project. It is available in !Universe on !Gutsy, while for older versions you can add the following to your /etc/apt/sources.list file: « deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/tonyyarusso/ubuntu {edgy,feisty} universe »  (pick your release and list it without brackets)
[02:01] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[02:36] <Tm_T> hi kids
[02:39] <mneptok> buongiorno, padrone.
[02:40] <LjL> i see your italian has improved
[02:41] <LjL> (or you've started to use babelfish instead)
[02:41]  * jdong opts with the latter
[02:41] <jdong> that would be a sweet irssi script though
[02:41] <jdong> something like /translate german foobar
[02:41]  * LjL suspects it too, given that "padrone" would be a likely babelfish translation for "sir"
[02:41] <LjL> jdong, i kind of suspect there are plenty of those around already
[02:42] <LjL> there was a babelfish script for AmIRC
[02:42] <jdong> LjL: don't tell me that... you know I'll just set it to randomized languages and walk around all day speaking incoherent mixes of languages :)
[02:42] <LjL> jdong: meh, learn to do that without babelfish
[02:43] <LjL> actually learning languages is hard
[02:43] <jdong> oui senior.
[02:43] <LjL> but learning enough of them to create incoherent mixes is fun
[02:43] <LjL> precis det jag sade
[02:51] <mneptok> LjL: i meant it in the Sicilian sense ;)
[02:52] <Tm_T> LjL: jag tycker om inte dig
[02:52] <mneptok> stjel sølvet, brenn byen, voldta fjærfeet.
[02:53] <LjL> mneptok: you know, now that REALLY makes no sense to me
[02:53] <mneptok> the "padrone" or the Nyorsk?
[02:53] <LjL> Tm_T: jag vill inte gillas
[02:53] <LjL> mneptok: the latter
[02:53] <Tm_T> LjL: hoppas det
[02:53] <mneptok> "loot the silver. burn the town. rape the poultry."
[02:54] <mneptok> i learned it in Viking Basic Training
[02:54] <LjL> hm, i guess i could have guessed brenn byn
[02:54] <LjL> i only learned that många pengar små blir till en stor å
[02:55] <Tm_T> what you say about that Creationist nick?
[02:55] <Tm_T> against some rule?
[02:57] <LjL> hm
[02:57] <LjL> nah
[02:57] <Tm_T> so I can do /nick Judish then?
[02:58] <Tm_T> or, Satanist
[02:58] <LjL> look the "nick issue" comes up once in a while... to me it's a case where one should judge by common sense on a case-by-case basis
[02:59] <LjL> to my common sense, "creationist" as a nickname is not insulting or anything
[02:59] <Tm_T> not more than "satanist"
[02:59] <Tm_T> in some point of way, they're the same
[03:01] <LjL> Tm_T: what about ToHellWithGA, who we've never asked to change nickname? (poor him, he's always brought up as an example when talking about nickname issues :)
[03:01] <Tm_T> never seen him
[03:01] <LjL> he's an -offtopic regular
[03:01]  * mneptok nods
[03:02] <LjL> anyway, he's in #kubuntu and you're a #kubuntu op - ask him to change his nickname if you think he should. just be prepared to argue with him :)
[03:02] <nalioth> who are we talking about?
[03:02] <Tm_T> anyway, I'm off, have fun and dont forget, all you need is love (kickbans) love (kickbans) ->
[03:03] <LjL> nalioth: Creationist, in #ubuntu
[03:03] <LjL> questionable nickname according to Tm_T
[03:03] <nalioth> let him be
[03:03] <nalioth> jesus and god and yahweh are around here somewhere, too
[03:03] <LjL> Yahovah you mean
[03:04] <nalioth> that, too
[03:05] <mneptok> it's "YHWH" ;)
[03:05] <LjL> that's his ident, yes
[03:05] <tritium> I don't see how labeling oneself as a creationist is offensive.  It's self-identifying.
[03:06] <tritium> Unless we think identifying ourselves as ubunteros, ubuntu members, etc. might offend redhat users, etc.
[03:06] <LjL> tritium: well gnomefreak was considering temporary dropping his cloak to be taken seriously in ##windows, i believe ;)
[03:06] <LjL> anyway, i agree i find it an alright nickname
[03:07] <tritium> was he?  :)
[03:07] <LjL> tritium: well but in the end he kept it afaik :)
[03:07] <Tm_T> hey, I didnt say he's offending :p
[03:07] <tritium> :)
[03:07] <Tm_T> and no I'm not irc addict
[03:08] <LjL> Tm_T: i think we should distinguish !o4o from "what's allowed as a nickname". the latter should just "be respectful", imho, we shouldn't restrict people's nickname to anything that might have a remote possibility of starting a flamewar
[03:08] <Tm_T> I know
[03:08] <Tm_T> I mostly asked if it is offending or anything
[03:09] <LjL> say, the guy who still often joins here (because he's still banforwarded, and still doesn't get it), "pigcum"... that's what i won't allow as a nickname - that's just offensive
[03:09] <LjL> but creationist, or even satanist... sure, there's a line somewhere
[03:09] <Tm_T> yup
[03:10] <Tm_T> though xp_killer or wii isnt allowed ;--P
[03:10] <LjL> well that's another matter =)
[03:10] <Tm_T> LjL: I find them both offensive
[03:11] <Tm_T> but I was going away, was I?
[03:11] <LjL> you said you would
[03:11] <tritium> Tm_T: how is it offensive?
[03:11] <Tm_T> tritium: both reminds me of him
[03:11] <LjL> Tm_T: you also said something about kickbans, want some? will help with the going away :P
[03:11] <tritium> Tm_T: him being who?
[03:12] <Tm_T> tritium: himself
[03:12] <LjL> are we running in circles here? :o)
[03:12] <tritium> Tm_T: please specify the offense
[03:12] <Tm_T> tritium: big annoyance for all ops in freenode ?
[03:12] <LjL> tritium, xp_killer aka wii aka mii aka god-knows-what is a known annoying troll who's banned from #ubuntu, #ubuntu-fr and #compiz-fusion at least
[03:12] <Tm_T> though apparently not you
[03:13] <Tm_T> and #kubuntu and ummm
[03:13] <tritium> I've not run across him.
[03:13] <Tm_T> and atleast one kline
[03:13] <LjL> tritium: possibly because he's banned from the world ;)
[03:13] <Tm_T> if no more
[03:13] <tritium> LjL: ;)
[03:13] <LjL> Tm_T: i think at least two
[03:13] <Tm_T> anyway, this old hermit is heading off finally, hugs ->
[03:13] <LjL> anyway, i'm going to be as well
[03:13] <tritium> Tm_T: I thought you found "creationist" offensive
[03:14] <tritium> That's what I was asking about.
[03:19] <crdlb> oh wow I didn't know xp_killer was wii
[03:20] <crdlb> that's very helpful because we were planning on banning a pretty big range in #c-f but he was in that range
[03:53] <gnomefreak> yeah i was thinking about it but i fixed it myself, because im an avid linux user and i guess that still makes me better at windows than them dumb craps
[05:15] <elkbuntu_> gnomefreak, you're not an ubuntu-server person, are you by any chance?
[05:15] <gnomefreak> nope
[05:16] <elkbuntu_> nevermind
[10:53] <AndrewB> Could it be possible to add a factoid of 'hey' so it has the same response as !hi or !howdy
[10:57] <Hobbsee> !hey is <alias> hell
[10:57] <ubotu> Factoid 'hell' does not exist
[10:57] <Hobbsee> !hey is <alias> hello
[10:57] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Hobbsee
[14:09] <Pici> Is aoirthoir supposed to be banned from #ubuntu too, or just -offtopic?
[14:22] <Pici> LjL: of course, when you show up, The Zoo (formally known as #ubuntu) gets quiet.
[14:22] <LjL> Pici: then what happens if i +o, we lose 500 users? :P
[14:36] <LjL> !rtf | Pici
[14:36] <ubotu> Pici: Software packages to deal with the RTF format include: abiword, catdoc, unrtf, latex2rtf (for parsing), enscript, aft, sdf, udo, wv (for creating)
[14:37] <Pici> !typo | LjL 
[14:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about typo - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:37] <LjL> Pici: never let a typo remain one :)
[14:41] <LjL> not that i remember anyone ever asking about RTF
[14:42] <LjL> but someone might
[14:44] <jrib> no vim and emacs?
[14:46] <LjL> jrib: no "cat", for that matter :)
[15:08] <jussi01> hmmm, whats the uds channel anyone know?
[15:09] <Hobbsee> #uds-boston
[15:10] <jussi01> Hobbsee: thanks :)
[15:43] <mnk3ym4n> could someone please test me for that dcc exploit nonsense?
[15:44] <Pici> mnk3ym4n: just a moment.
[15:44] <LjL> mnk3ym4n: nonsense? anyway, sure
[15:44] <mnk3ym4n> :) thanks guys
[15:44] <LjL> Pici: you replied first, you do it :)
[15:44] <Pici> mnk3ym4n: you seem good, hold on.
[15:45] <mnk3ym4n> *flex*
[15:45] <mnk3ym4n> heh
[15:45] <Pici> mnk3ym4n: you can no rejoin #ubuntu
[15:45] <Pici> er, now
[15:45] <mnk3ym4n> ty
[15:56] <|Steffan|> Hello!
[15:56] <|Steffan|> Is it possible to unban me from #ubuntu
[15:57] <|Steffan|> I was a bit frustrated... so I said. "I'm sorry to say.. Ubuntu sucks"
[15:57] <|Steffan|> That was stupid
[15:57] <|Steffan|> I could not tell my problem.. I was already banned
[15:59] <Pici> |Steffan|: hold on.
[15:59] <Pici> LjL: still around?
[16:00] <LjL> Pici: yes, was writing a factoid, let me check
[16:01] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, Amaranth said: !forget compizblacklist
[16:01] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, Amaranth said: !compizblacklist is <alias>effects
[16:01] <Amaranth> grr
[16:01] <Amaranth> @login
[16:01] <ubotu> OK
[16:04] <LjL> |Steffan|: how do you like kvirc? better than what you were using previously?
[16:05] <|Steffan|> I always used kvirc
[16:05] <|Steffan|> ok.. I tried some before
[16:05] <LjL> |Steffan|: oh? then i'm afraid you've lost your settings
[16:05] <|Steffan|> but kvirc is hte best
[16:05] <|Steffan|> Maybe it was the windows version...
[16:05] <LjL> because your username is different from what it used to be - it's not the default kvirc username
[16:06] <|Steffan|> No.. Steffan is my username
[16:06] <Pici> |Steffan| (n=kvirc@ip56515a0a.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl)
[16:06] <LjL> Steffan: username, not nickname
[16:07] <Steffan> if it isn't the default kvirc name
[16:07] <Steffan> it should be Steffan
[16:07] <LjL> it was steffa2, last time you joined
[16:07] <Steffan> ah ok
[16:08] <LjL> !etiquette | Steffan
[16:08] <ubotu> Steffan: Unsure how you should behave on this channel? See !AskTheBot, !CoC, !Guidelines, !Offtopic, !Language, !Attitude, !Repeat, !Enter, !Paste, !NickSpam - and most importantly, use common sense :-)
[16:08] <LjL> Steffan: please type /msg ubotu !all-of-that
[16:08] <LjL> make sure you read it all before joining again
[16:09] <LjL> next time, you will find it much harder to be unbanned
[16:09] <LjL> so, make sure there is no "next time" ;)
[16:09] <Steffan> That it only one rule :P
[16:09] <Steffan> Sorry, I don't know anything about all-of-that - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:09] <Steffan> :P
[16:10] <LjL> Steffan, come on, you know what i meant. everything in !etiquette
[16:10] <Steffan> I don't have to read... need to calm down... try to not be frustrated
[16:11] <Steffan> or not join frustrated into #ubuntu
[16:11] <Steffan> Thanks LjL
[16:12] <LjL> well, i'll take it as if you had read it anyway. so, don't misbehave again
[16:12] <Steffan> I wont
[16:12] <Steffan> ok.. I will, but not in #ubuntu
[16:13] <ubot3`> In #ubuntu, LjL said: !no raid is <reply> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO - For software RAID, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto
[16:13] <ubot3`> In #ubuntu, LjL said: !fakeraid is <alias> raid
[16:13] <LjL> nalioth, can you part it from #ubuntu and wherever it is that ubotu is too? /remove only works until it reconnects...
[16:14] <Pici> LjL: I had just been muting it.
[16:14] <LjL> Pici: muting doesn't help with PMs being sent by multiple bots
[16:15] <Pici> LjL: Indeed.
[16:19] <Pici> LjL: Also, was it correct to look for a council member for a not-so-serious ban like that since the op in question wasnt around, or ?
[16:22] <LjL> Pici, i think it doesn't hurt. after all, we're still crawling out of the "bans can only be removed by the banner" unwritten policy, and i still think it's a policy that has merits in many cases (it's often hard to actually grasp the entire deal by just looking at the logs), so being cautious is fine with me
[16:22] <LjL> i'm actually going to comment on the unban - as i think it should always be done when removing bans
[16:23] <Pici> Sounds good.
[16:25] <LjL> uh i'm not sure if i've just been kicked from somewhere... sometimes i think i see my channel list shrinking, but then sometimes it's just my imagination :o)
[16:26] <LjL> annoyingly /remove don't get me a message until i rejoin
[16:28] <Pici> Theres no message from remove? so you couldnt set a trigger?
[16:29] <LjL> Pici: i suppose i could set some sort of trigger - although konversation is a bit awkward with triggers
[16:51] <PriceChild> So do conference cloaks cover project ones?
[16:51] <PriceChild> ah maybe not *spies someone else*
[16:58] <LjL> !no pidgin is the new name for Gaim forced by AOL's legal dept. It is available in Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy), but not previous versions. See http://www.pidgin.im/index.php for more info. To install Pidgin please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallPidgin2.0
[16:58] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[17:09] <kbrooks> ljl: the linked wiki page  in !pidgin advocates compiling 
[17:09] <LjL> kbrooks: well, there is no other decent way in <Gutsy that i know of
[17:10] <kbrooks> ljl: ok, but uh 
[17:11] <LjL> kbrooks, as far as i can see, it doesn't "advocate" it, it just tells you how to do it, while specifying that the "recommended" method is using the package on gutsy, and that compiling it manually won't get you updates etc.
[17:11] <LjL> after all, RootSudo explains how to enable root, too.
[17:11] <kbrooks> kk 
[17:39] <ubotu> In ubotu, ebrahim said: !OpenSolaris is an open source project created by Sun Microsystems to build a developer community around Solaris Operating System technology. See http://www.opensolaris.org/
[17:40] <Pici> er, bye.
[17:53] <LjL> we shouldn't have that factoid should we
[17:54] <Pici> I dont think so.
[17:57] <kbrooks> not ubuntu related 
[17:58] <jdong> nope
[17:58] <jdong> few peole would be asking about OpenSolaris anyway
[17:58] <jdong> not saying it's not a cool project or anything
[17:58] <jdong> it's very interesting indeed
[17:58] <kbrooks> its OT in #ubuntu anyway 
[17:59] <Pici> Perhaps if we ran #opensolaris... but we dont.
[17:59] <jdong> Pici: "Perhaps if we were a real UNIX"
[17:59]  * jdong hides
[18:00] <jdong> !azureus
[18:00] <ubotu> azureus is a popular bittorent client written in Java, installation instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AzureusHowTo
[18:00] <Pici> see also !jdong
[18:01] <jdong> lol
[18:01] <jdong> meh I'll add some Gutsy instructions this afternoon
[19:13] <gnomefreak> what is the app that lets you use mouse in text mode?
[19:13] <Pici> oh oh I know this one..
[19:14] <mjr> gpm
[19:14] <gnomefreak> ty
[19:15] <Pici> Oh, I lied.
[19:15] <gnomefreak> i used to know it
[19:15]  * gnomefreak hopes X gets fixed soon 
[19:15] <Pici> I used to know it too
[19:16] <gnomefreak> ljl had given someone it a while a ago and i couldnt remember to save life
[19:16] <LjL> well, apt-cache search mouse console hints at it ;)
[19:17] <gnomefreak> that would be too easy ;)
[19:21] <LjL> i think gerro is going to get a ban soon
[19:21] <Pici> Is SudoKing supposed to be banned in #ubuntu? I heard he was causing a ruckus somewhere else.
[19:21] <LjL> oh, he just gave me the factoid and then left
[19:21] <LjL> i'll just ban him right away
[19:21] <LjL> Pici: not sure
[19:26] <gnomefreak> ty mjr it works (weird) but works
[19:26] <LjL> going for dinner
[19:26] <LjL> an eye on -offtopic, people talking about statutory rape
[19:26] <Pici> I saw..
[19:27] <Pici> or, rather, o4o hilighted me
[19:28] <Pici> and now I step away for a few too (didnt see what time it was)
[21:02] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, kolby said: !!  the tension is getting to me
[21:07] <LjL> he doesn't know anything about tension
[21:07] <LjL> yet
[22:20] <Pici> Whats the official stance on supporting Ubuntu variants, I'd like something official sounding to tell these people.
[22:21] <nalioth> Pici: we don't.
[22:21] <Pici> nalioth: we dont support them, or we dont have something official sounding?
[22:22] <ompaul> both
[22:22] <nalioth> i mean, if i take Ubuntu and name it nalioths-favorite-linux and only change "ubuntu" for 'nalioths-favorite-linux', obviossly we can support it
[22:22] <ompaul> the only thing you can do is point them to the "versions" channels
[22:22] <Pici> Sounds good.
[22:22] <nalioth> if it's way different from Ubuntu, they need to go to #%distro
[22:23] <Pici> Linux Mint, gOS..
[22:23] <nalioth> but direct clones or "we just changed the colors and language" subvariants . . . 
[22:23] <Pici> Understood.
[23:41] <mneptok> I'm gonna be a lazy slob. Stuff the folks and sod the job. And tell the silbs that I'm ill. And in a week I'll be here still. Yes I will. But if I got my way those idle rich would pay. When the discussion starts of the lively arts.
[23:43] <LjL> i've done some quite major restructuring of the p2p related factoids, in particular
[23:43] <LjL> !torrent
[23:43] <ubotu> Torrent clients: Azureus (Java), BitTornado (Shell with python front-end), KTorrent (KDE/Qt), rTorrent (C++) -  Bittorent FAQ: http://www.bittorrent.com/FAQ.html
[23:44] <LjL> !no torrent is <reply> Torrent clients: Transmission (GTK and terminal-based), Deluge-Torrent, Freeloader, BitStormLite, BitTornado-GUI (GTK), KTorrent (KDE), QTorrent (Qt), Azureus (Java), TorrentFlux (web-based), bittornado, rTorrent, cTorrent, bittorrent, aria2 (terminal-based) - FAQ: http://www.bittorrent.com/FAQ.html - See also !P2P
[23:44] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[23:44] <LjL> !p2p
[23:44] <ubotu> Conventional P2P clients: Limewire/GTK-Gnutella/Frostwire (Gnutella Network).  -  BitTorrent: see !torrent  -  Direct connect: try valknut.  -  Also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/P2PFileSharing for general information.
[23:44] <LjL> !no p2p is <reply> Peer-to-peer filesharing clients are available for several networks/protocols, including !BitTorrent, !Gnutella, !Edonkey, !DirectConnect, !SoulSeek - Multi-protocol engines include !MLDonkey and !giFT - See wiki.ubuntu.com/P2PFileSharing for general information
[23:45] <Pici> Did you setup !factoids for all of those?
[23:45] <LjL> Pici: 'course
[23:45] <Pici> I had to clean up the !ftp and !ftpd factoids because none existed for any of them.
[23:45] <LjL> just check them out and see if there's anything to add - or to remove, for that matter, i don't know if some of the clients suck
[23:46] <Pici> I dont do p2p file sharing
[23:46] <LjL> otoh, i never thought it was such a good thing to have Limewire and Frostwire prominently in !p2p, as they're not even in the repositories
[23:46] <LjL> (which is the main reason i started making these changes)
[23:46] <Pici> Ah.
[23:46] <Pici> Are they in the wiki page?
[23:46] <LjL> Pici, i created !ftp and !ftpd back when !<package> was automatically an alias for !info <package> (which was later removed due to bot load)
[23:47] <Pici> LjL: Ah.
[23:47]  * Pici wanders around
[23:48] <LjL> Pici: yeah, they're mentioned on the page, and they have their own wiki pages
[23:48] <LjL> i suppose i should let those ones have '!'
[23:48] <LjL> anyway, it would still be good if !<package> worked... :\
[23:50] <gerro> I'd like to appeal a ban imposed by LjL, I was trying to help someone delete a folder and told them to do rm -Rf it deletes anything. LjL did !whatworksforyou or something along those lines then proceeded to comment to a user that /usr should only ever be used by apt and never touched so I did !whatworksforyou or whatever comment it was. I think it is unjust to ban someone because they do things differently.
[23:51] <LjL> gerro: it would be unjust indeed. however, you certainly do realize that we simply want certain things to be done in a certain ways, and do NOT support (or want people to support) other unsupported ways.
[23:51] <LjL> but that's not really the point, even
[23:52] <LjL> what i really did not understand was the !worksforme you did to me - i hadn't, i think, said anything that "worked for me", so it looked like you were simply trolling me
[23:53] <LjL> [Fri Nov 2 2007] [20:17:29] <gerro>     Le_Fou`Absent: may programs use /usr not just apt, its like the place to put general applications
[23:53] <LjL> [Fri Nov 2 2007] [20:17:51] <LjL>       gerro: which should only be put there by APT, yes (except for /usr/local)
[23:53] <LjL> [Fri Nov 2 2007] [20:18:18] <Le_Fou`Absent>     ok gerro
[23:53] <LjL> [Fri Nov 2 2007] [20:20:45] <gerro>     !worksforme | LjL
[23:53] <LjL> [Fri Nov 2 2007] [20:20:56] Quit        gerro has left this server ("Leaving").
[23:53] <gerro> APT is not a physical entity LjL it is your own computer
[23:53] <LjL> you did this, and then left suddenly
[23:53] <gerro> yeah I come and go
[23:53] <LjL> gerro, that doesn't mean you should give people bad advice
[23:53] <LjL> YOU are perfectly free to put whatever cruft you like in /usr
[23:53] <gerro> I give people advice its their judgement what is bad
[23:54] <LjL> but you must also understand that you are NOT expected to encourage people to do likewise, in #ubuntu
[23:54] <gerro> I do it for free and don't ask for anything in return that is the idea behind irc
[23:54] <nalioth> gerro: doing it for free doesn't give you license to give bad advice
[23:54] <LjL> it's not only their judgement, it's also our judgement. "ours" as in "the operator's". we DO determine what is supposed by us, and what is discouraged.
[23:54] <gerro> I did not break anyones system
[23:54] <LjL> are you willing to accept that?
[23:55] <LjL> s/supposed/supported/
[23:55] <mneptok>  < gerro> I give people advice its their judgement what is bad  <---- totally unacceptable
[23:55] <mneptok> we're talking about a lot of new users here.
[23:55] <mneptok> they don't understand how things work.
[23:55] <gerro> I'll refrain from speaking on #ubuntu then
[23:56] <mneptok> by your logic, i could tell a child that if they stick a gun in their mouth and pull the trigger they'll get candy. and if any kids die, well that's their own fault.
[23:56] <gerro> I refuse to agree with LjL and I dislike undermining the intelligence of others...
[23:56] <tonyyarusso> Same goes for #xubuntu and all other channels, btw.
[23:57] <mneptok> gerro: saying "if a user takes my bad advice and breaks their system, that's not my fault. i can tell people to do whatever i want." is very much not in the spirit of the CoC!
[23:57] <mneptok> -!
[23:57] <JanC> gerro: even a very intelligent kid doesn't know what harm a gun can do without being told
[23:58] <mneptok> gerro: helping people on public IRC channels is a responsibility. not a game.
[23:58] <JanC> that's why you don't give loaded guns to kids to play with
[23:59] <gerro> I will not condescend to considering the other users of ubuntu kids..
[23:59] <Seeker`> gerro: Quite a few users are kids, or people who are just starting out