[00:00] <Mark76> Lol
[00:00] <Mark76> What does this mean?  agpgart: Putting AGP V2 device at 0000:00:00.0 into 4x mode
[00:01] <TheSheep> Mark76: initializes AGP
[00:01] <TheSheep> Mark76: try adding 'Option "nvagpo" "0"' to your device section in xorg.conf
[00:02] <Mark76> Ooh
[00:02] <TheSheep> Mark76: that will disable agp, making the transfer of data a little slower, but hopefully making the drivers a little more stable
[00:02] <Mark76> Dunno how to edit the xorg config file
[00:02] <TheSheep> gksu mousepad /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[00:03] <TheSheep> it's: Option "nvagp" "0"
[00:03] <Mark76> That's the one
[00:03] <TheSheep> not nvagpo
[00:03] <TheSheep> http://digg.com/linux_unix/Open_Source_NVIDIA_Nouveau_2D_Driver_Almost_Stable
[00:04] <Mark76> I have two options already, so this is a third?
[00:05] <TheSheep> Mark76: what are the other two?
[00:06] <Mark76> Option "NoLogo" "True" and Option "ALlowGLXWithComposite" "True"
[00:06] <TheSheep> yes, add that as a third one
[00:07] <TheSheep> note that it's not guaranteed to help, it helped for me though
[00:07] <TheSheep> you can also experiment for values 1 and 2
[00:07] <Mark76> K, done
[00:07] <Mark76> What will changing the values do?
[00:07] <TheSheep> afair 1 will use the driver's build in agp support, and 2 will use the linux's one. 3 will autodetect, and that's the default
[00:08] <Mark76> Which should work better? In theory
[00:08] <TheSheep> no idea
[00:08] <TheSheep> I guess it depends on your combination of hardware
[00:08] <Mark76> Okay
[00:09] <TheSheep> and on what they did wrong in the binary drivers
[00:09] <Mark76> There should be a way of bookmarking commands in the terminal
[00:09] <Mark76> So you can just recall them as you need them
[00:10] <TheSheep> Mark76: there is the history
[00:10] <TheSheep> Mark76: just pres the up arrow
[00:10] <TheSheep> and you can search the history with ctrl+r
[00:11] <Mark76> Even if you've closed the terminal window?
[00:11] <Mark76> Oh yeah
[00:11] <Mark76> Neat
[00:11] <TheSheep> yes
[00:11] <TheSheep> it gets a little complicated if you open several ones at a time
[00:11] <TheSheep> the history from one of them is not visible in the other until you close it
[00:11] <Mark76> I see
[00:12] <Mark76> I wish the xubuntu panel came in a wider range of colours
[00:13] <TheSheep> you can change the color
[00:13] <TheSheep> just edit your gtk theme
[00:16] <Mark76> You mean the user interface settings?
[00:16] <TheSheep> oh wow, that reverse-engineering prject actually progessed a *lot* since when I checked last
[00:17] <TheSheep> Mark76: the themes you install to change the looks of your desktop
[00:17] <TheSheep> Mark76: they are normal text files
[00:17] <TheSheep> Mark76: you can edit them
[00:17] <Mark76> Where are they located? Var?
[00:17] <TheSheep> ~/.themes/
[00:18] <TheSheep> or copy them there from /usr/share/themes/
[00:18] <Mark76> I'm going to need to be root for this, aren't I?
[00:18] <TheSheep> there is a howto at http://live.gnome.org/GnomeArt/Tutorials/GtkThemes
[00:18] <TheSheep> Mark76: no, just copy them to your home and edit in there
[00:19] <TheSheep> Mark76: to ~/.themes/
[00:19] <Mark76> Right
[00:21] <Mark76> This'll work with xfce?
[00:24] <TheSheep> sure, xfce uses gtk2+ too
[00:25] <Mark76> Cool
[00:25] <Mark76> It's far to late to read how tos so I've bookmarked it for tomorrow
[00:26] <TheSheep> Mark76: you can also look at some themes at xfce-look.org
[00:27] <Mark76> Will do
[00:27] <Mark76> But first
[00:27] <Mark76> Bed!
[00:27] <Mark76> Night Sheep
[00:28] <TheSheep> making everything in text files that can be later freely viewed and edited has serious consequences to creativity
[00:28] <Mark76> It does?
[00:28] <Mark76> :-/
[00:30] <TheSheep> it sure does
[00:30] <TheSheep> I view them as positiive, though
[00:30] <Mark76> Oh okayy
[00:30] <Mark76> That's good
[00:31] <Mark76> Now I'm really going to bed
[00:31] <Mark76> Bye
[01:30] <jb47> hello
[01:32] <jb47> just burned cd of xubuntu and in live boot works well on laptop but long boot time. on dell desktop seems to boot ok but after deskstop [brown] starts to appear the screen goes black-blank. ideas? suggestions?
[01:38] <jb47> forgot to add that the screen goes blank-black and the boot process stalls-stops.
[01:43] <somerville32> Seems to be failing when starting xfce4
[01:44] <jb47> yes would agree
[03:05] <levander> What's a good GUI text editor for XFCE?
[03:08] <levander> Just tell me what comes installed as the default for Xubuntu??
[03:37] <PiousMinion> Can I choose not to install Xorg at all with the alternate CD ?
[03:42] <PiousMinion> #ubuntu is useless.
[04:03] <mikubuntu> hey guys, four days ago or so i asked if anyone else was having trouble with xub not recognizing/detecting external devices.  still can't get it to drive my external iomega burner, which was working previous to some updates.   someone suggested that a kernel upddate might have affected it, so i am just following up again to see if anyone else having this problem?
[04:13] <PiousMinion> I don't use any external drives other than usb thumb drives, but they work fine.  Any luck accessing them via command-line or are you not even seeing anything in dmesg ?
[04:34] <SeveredCross> No you cannot.
[04:34] <SeveredCross> You need the Server install.
[05:05] <PiousMinion> Well, I lost patience and burned a copy and it seems you can.  :P  FYI for future reference purposes.
[05:31] <ebuth> If I were to disable the automounting of a specfic partition, would modifying /etc/fstab be the best way?
[05:40] <levander> Is there like some lm-sensors applet for XFCE?
[09:22] <warbler> don't be shy...
[09:50] <Ramla> levander: xfce4-sensors-plugin i think.
[10:26] <Name141> hello, I would like to know how to tuff off/on the NIC by the terminal ?
[10:26] <Name141> I forgot to copy it.
[10:27] <Ramla> ifdown ethX ?
[10:27] <Name141> Someone suggested something like.. sodo eth0 link down ? or something like that ?
[10:58] <mario> hiya, im having a hard time getting xubuntu to use a proper resolution when booting to command line
[10:58] <mario> any vga= boot option i set sends it to a blank screen (although i can type username and password and sucessfully give it the reboot command so i know it is booting properly, just not showing anything on screen)
[10:59] <mario> and vga=normal gives me what looks like a 640x480 res in the middle of the screen, with only about 13 lines of prompt before it goes below visible range and i cant see what time typing anymore
[11:01] <mario> running xubuntu 7.10 on a compaq armada m700. i believe the graphics card is an ATI mobility rage card
[11:10] <sponix> anyone in here using Rosewill RC-208 Hard Drive Controller Cards? I just need to know roughly what transfer speeds they get
[12:05] <_Fckgw> moin
[12:07] <_Fckgw> is there any german support channel?
[12:21] <ajrion> please help me i broke my xubuntu. ... idont know what i did but when i log on to xfce i have no desktop
[12:22] <ajrion> all i did was change color depth in the xorg.conf from 32 to 16 because it wouldnt log into graphical when i put 32
[12:23] <ajrion> i have no icons on desktop nor can i right click and get a menu ... no wallpaper and i cant mendle with the start menu... right click allso doesnt work
[12:23] <ajrion> i am on a hp 530
[12:23] <ajrion> anyone"?
[12:40] <indi> dfsg
[12:40] <ajrion> help i broke my xubuntu... i dont have a desktop
[12:40] <ajrion> no icons and no wallpaper
[12:41] <ajrion> please give me a clue at lestp
[12:42] <ajrion> i fixed it
[15:46] <slow-motion> hallo
[15:51] <deformation> hello
[16:21] <Name141> Hello, I have shared a folder, and when I go to \\192.168.0.2 (this computer) on the windows machine, it asks for user/pass , how do I turn that off?
[16:23] <Name141> Also I have tried my linux password/login and it doesn't work
[16:25] <somerville32> Try #ubuntu-server
[16:27] <deformation> name141 : what modem/router do you use?
[16:29] <Name141> Linksys ether fast cable/dsl router
[16:42] <vinze> Gotta love Xubuntu - I'm installing right now :)
[16:54] <Name141> still the same thing when I put guest ok = yes in the [folder]
[17:02] <hyper__ch> Name141: you need to add the user to the samba config or change the authentication type
[17:03] <Name141> I can't just turn it off ?
[17:03] <Name141> And have it sharing like windows
[17:03] <Name141> without passwords/logins
[17:03] <hyper__ch> Name141: you can
[17:03] <Name141> How so ?
[17:04] <hyper__ch> Name141: dunno...
[17:06] <hyper__ch> Name141: adding users:   sudo smbpasswd USER
[17:10] <Name141> hyper__ch, i'm not so sure what you are asking, I need to make a "user" with samba ?
[17:11] <hyper__ch> [18:02] <hyper__ch> Name141: you need to add the user to the samba config or change the authentication type
[17:15] <Name141> ohh
[17:15] <Name141> such as smbpasswd name141 ?
[17:17] <Name141> hyper__ch, is it nessessary to restart samba after that ?
[17:19] <hyper__ch> Name141: not sure
[17:20] <Name141> hyper__ch, after I did smbpasswd name141 , and put in a new pass and all
[17:21] <Name141> I was able to get inside and see what is shared
[17:21] <Name141> however, not access the folders and actual files
[17:21] <Name141> with my name141/pass
[17:21] <hyper__ch> Name141: no clue how you setup samba
[17:21] <Name141> hyper__ch, I just right clicked a folder, and it installed samba
[17:22] <Name141> now I am here with problems
[17:22] <Name141> since it didn't ask me a question one
[17:22] <hyper__ch> never done it that way
[17:26] <Name141> it's the same way , I can see the folder, but can't access it
[17:29] <Name141> I get this in the log:
[17:29] <Name141> [2007/11/02 13:25:07, 0] smbd/service.c:make_connection_snum(1003)
[17:29] <Name141>   '/media/My Book' does not exist or permission denied when connecting to [music] Error was No such file or directory
[17:30] <zoredache> You might need make that a different name..
[17:30] <zoredache> I am not sure how happy samba will be about folders with spaces in the name
[17:30] <Name141> Hm, that's actually wrong
[17:30] <Name141> It's /media/My Book/music
[17:30] <Name141> My Book is the whole HD
[17:31] <Name141> if that makes a difference
[17:39] <Name141> I got it, I think
[17:41] <Name141> next thing would be, is there a way to get a better video card 'driver' for a VooDoo 3 3dfx 8MB ?
[17:41] <Name141> I feel as if that is what is slowing down things like.. maxiumizing windows
[17:51] <slow-motion> bbl
[18:18] <pHluid> Name141: the tdfx driver should work... and I think there's some deal about only being able to run at up to 1024x768@16bpp for full acceleration.
[18:18] <pHluid> Oh wait, he left.
[18:22] <somerville32> Weird
[18:23] <somerville32> nm says I have no network devices
[18:29] <hyper__ch> so, back again
[18:31] <somerville32> Welcome back
[18:33] <evil_tech> i added a dvd drive after install and it reads dvd's but whenver i try to play a dvd with xine or totem it says that there isnt a dvd device and to create a symbolic link
[18:35] <hyper__ch> somerville32: thx :)
[18:35] <hyper__ch> evil_tech: tried vlc?
[18:35] <hyper__ch> somerville32: how to become OPs in here?
[18:36] <evil_tech> tried em all
[18:36] <evil_tech> according to them there is no dvd device
[18:37] <hyper__ch> evil_tech: what output do you get for    ls -al /media/cdrom  ?
[18:37] <somerville32> hyper__ch, Do we need anymore ops in here?
[18:38] <hyper__ch> somerville32: nope, I just wonder what the prerequisites are :)
[18:38] <evil_tech> cdrom0
[18:38] <hyper__ch> evil_tech: and:   ls -al /media/cdrom0    ?
[18:39] <somerville32> hyper__ch, Well, the prereq thus far is that you get asked. :)
[18:39] <hyper__ch> somerville32: ah :)
[18:39] <hyper__ch> somerville32: therefore no regular attendance or certain amount of skills using Linux/Xubuntu
[18:40] <somerville32> hyper__ch, I imagine that would be considered when asking someone if they'd like to be one.
[18:40] <evil_tech> "lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 2007-11-1 04:18 /media/cdrom -> cdrom0
[18:41] <hyper__ch> somerville32: ;)
[18:42] <hyper__ch> evil_tech: do the same with cdrom0
[18:42] <hyper__ch> somerville32: btw, how well do you know the encryption upon installation part?
[18:43] <somerville32> hyper__ch, I'm not familiar with it at all.
[18:43] <hyper__ch> somerville32: it's using dm_crypt/luks but I just wonder how to add more encrypted drives that are also asked to have pwd entered in the boot splash
[18:48] <evil_tech> there is no /dev/dvd in /dev only /dev/dvd1
[18:49] <hyper__ch> evil_tech: there is dvd1?
[18:49] <hyper__ch> evil_tech: output that folder:    ls -al /dev/dvd1
[18:50] <evil_tech> same stuff as before but it points to scd1
[18:53] <hyper__ch> evil_tech: can you post the output?
[18:55] <evil_tech> "lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2007-11-02 10:23 /dev/dvd1 ->scd1
[18:55] <evil_tech> "
[18:55] <hyper__ch> evil_tech: and    ls -al /dev/scd1   ?
[18:55] <RandyboY> What tool is the easiest and best for backing up and restoring settings? Ive tried to install "backup settings/restore settings" from add/remove programs, but i cant find it in the applications menu...
[18:57] <somerville32> RandyboY, Please file a bug.
[18:58] <evil_tech> "brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 11,1 2007-11-02 03:23 /dev/scd1"
[18:58] <RandyboY> somerville32, im a newbie so i dont know haowto, but please fill me in and i will
[18:58] <RandyboY> howto
[18:58] <somerville32> :) I'd be happy to.
[18:58] <somerville32> !bug
[18:58] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[18:59] <somerville32> Just hop over to bugs.ubuntu.com, sign-up/register, and click file a bug
[18:59] <RandyboY> Will do :)
[19:00] <hyper__ch> evil_tech: nothing else? a dvd is in the drive?
[19:02] <evil_tech> a disc in drive and it automounted but still get no playback and the error no device /dev/dvd
[19:02] <hyper__ch> evil_tech: strange
[19:03] <evil_tech> should i change the symlink for /dev/dvd1 to /dev/dvd
[19:03] <evil_tech> ?
[19:03] <hyper__ch> evil_tech: ls -alR /media > output.txt
[19:03] <hyper__ch> and then upload output.txt to a pastebin
[19:04] <garuhhh> hi! my xubuntu livecd is always stuck in the command line. it says "initramfs" what seems to be wrong?
[19:04] <TheSheep> garuhhh: usually bad burn or bad download
[19:04] <evil_tech> ok just a sec
[19:04] <TheSheep> garuhhh: check the iso you downloaded and burn at the slowest speed available
[19:05] <garuhhh> thesheep: had it running once or twice before this happend.. is that possible?
[19:05] <hyper__ch> hiho TheSheep
[19:05] <garuhhh> choosing the "check cd for defects" doesn't also work :( it gets stuck also at the "initramfs" thing
[19:06] <hyper__ch> garuhhh: defects can also appear later on the cd
[19:06] <evil_tech> !pastebin
[19:06] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[19:07] <TheSheep> hyper__ch: hi
[19:07] <garuhhh> hyper_ch: oh.. is that so... i'll try burning a copy again and see if it works.
[19:07] <hyper__ch> garuhhh: if you carried the cd around with no cover or so... it might be a phsyical defect on it
[19:08] <garuhhh> hyper_ch: i just left it in my cd-drive, the following day, tried it again, and that's it..
[19:08] <evil_tech> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/43039/
[19:08] <garuhhh> it worked the first try ..
[19:08] <garuhhh> got it running, and even able to change my videocard driver..
[19:09] <hyper__ch> evil_tech: it looks like the 1408 BB folder contains a dvd
[19:09] <garuhhh> but, yeah, maybe the defect showed at a latertime, though didn't see any scratches.
[19:10] <evil_tech> yeah it does
[19:10] <evil_tech> thats the dvd im trying to play
[19:10] <attackdecay> is it just me, or is networkmanager a pain regardless of whether i'm running gnome or xfce or i386 or amd64
[19:10] <attackdecay> just a pain
[19:10] <hyper__ch> evil_tech: hmm... why is it in that folder... hmmm
[19:10] <hyper__ch> evil_tech: try to open that folder in mplayer, totem, vlc
[19:11] <evil_tech> ok just a sec
[19:12] <evil_tech> well it tried to open in gxine and crashed
[19:12] <hyper__ch> evil_tech: try the others
[19:13] <evil_tech> totem crashes
[19:13] <evil_tech> xine-ui throws the following errors
[19:13] <hyper__ch> TheSheep: can you help?
[19:15] <evil_tech> "there is no available plugin to handle dvd:/ Maybe MRL syntax is wrong"
[19:15] <hyper__ch> evil_tech: you might be missing a few codecs and stuff
[19:15] <hyper__ch> evil_tech: did you isntall libdvdcss2 ?
[19:15] <TheSheep> !dvd
[19:15] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[19:15] <evil_tech> "the source cannot be read maybe you dont have enough rights"
[19:16] <evil_tech> i have all the codecs installed
[19:16] <hyper__ch> dr-xr-xr-x  4 owner 4294967295  136 2007-11-01 16:17 1408 BB
[19:16] <evil_tech> xubuntu restricted, libdvdcss2, libdvdnav, libdvdread,
[19:16] <hyper__ch> hmmm, read and exec is given... but the ownerships looks strange
[19:18] <RandyboY> Bug repported. Anyone with a tips for a god (easy and well implemented) backup program which backs up (all) my settings?
[19:18] <hyper__ch> evil_tech: dunno.... TheSheep might be able to help
[19:18] <evil_tech> i think the problem is everything is looking for /dev/dvd which doesnt exist
[19:18] <evil_tech> but i cant remember how to rename symlinks
[19:19] <hyper__ch> mv org new
[19:19] <hyper__ch> mv "1408 BB" dvd
[19:19] <hyper__ch> and a sudo ;)
[19:20] <evil_tech> so it would be: "sudo mv /dev/dvd1 /dev/dvd
[19:20] <hyper__ch> why dvd1 to dvd?
[19:21] <evil_tech> cause that is what xine-ui is looking for dvd discs at: /dev/dvd which is non existent in my system
[19:21] <hyper__ch> evil_tech: rather make a symlink then
[19:21] <hyper__ch> no, you cannot do that in dev
[19:21] <hyper__ch> no clue
[19:21] <hyper__ch> sorry
[19:22] <evil_tech> hmm
[19:22] <hyper__ch> maybe:  sudo ln -s /dev/dvd1 /dev/dvd
[19:22] <evil_tech> ill try it
[19:23] <arin> Hi I am having a small problem with OpenOffice in 7.1
[19:24] <evil_tech> well it tried to read the dvd and xine-ui crashed
[19:24] <evil_tech> something else is apparently wrong
[19:24] <hyper__ch> evil_tech: I tend to think something is screwed up
[19:24] <somerville32> !dvd
[19:24] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[19:24] <evil_tech> please stop giving me that link
[19:24] <evil_tech> i know what needs to be installed
[19:24] <evil_tech> its all there
[19:24] <evil_tech> just not working right
[19:24] <evil_tech> going to try reinstalling
[19:24] <hyper__ch> somerville32: he has a problem that the dvd right isn't recognized properly
[19:24] <arin> Whether I try to open writer, impress or calc from the menu it ends up opening the OpenOffice root without anything
[19:25] <somerville32> evil_tech, I would try asking in #ubuntu - more people there.
[19:25] <arin> From there I can open anything using File->Open
[19:26] <arin> Does anybody have any clue?
[19:26] <somerville32> arin: That is the same for everyone
[19:26] <evil_tech> going to try reinstalling libdvdcss, libdvdnav, libdvdread and all the media players and restricted stuff again and see if it fixes it
[19:26] <arin> Is it a known bug?
[19:26] <arin> somerville
[19:26] <hyper__ch> actually, when I open Writer in gnome it will directly open writer with a new doc
[19:27] <somerville32> arin, I'm not sure. You can check at http://bugs.launchpad.net
[19:27] <arin> Yeah that is there in norman Ubuntu ..... but in Xubuntu this behaviour is wiered hyper
[19:28] <hyper__ch> arin: try this:   ooffice -writer
[19:28] <hyper__ch> -->    ooffice -writer
[19:28] <hyper__ch> with a  at the end
[19:29] <hyper__ch> oh...
[19:29] <arin> Yeah that works ... I have checked
[19:29] <arin> The menu entry is screwd up I think 'hyper'
[19:29] <arin> Is there a menu editor in XFCE?
[19:30] <hyper__ch> arin: http://phpfi.com/273424
[19:30] <hyper__ch> try to run those commands from teh command line
[19:31] <arin> I have no problem running them from command line ..... but the machine is setup for somebody else who is not comfortable in command line
[19:31] <hyper__ch> arin: so they do work fine with those ocmmands?
[19:31] <arin> yes
[19:32] <arin> hyper: But when they are tried from the menu ..the prblem occurs
[19:32] <hyper__ch> good, then you need to alter the applications menu ;)
[19:32] <hyper__ch> and use those commands
[19:32] <arin> hyper: How to do that in XFCE?
[19:33]  * hyper__ch points to somerville32
[19:33] <hyper__ch> I think the applications menu is somehwat auto-buildt
[19:33] <hyper__ch> arin: you may also want to ask in #xfce
[19:35] <arin> hyper : I also think so ..... but in KDE or Gnome they are easy to edit
[19:35] <arin> hyper : I will try
[19:35] <somerville32> You will have to edit the desktop file directly
[19:36] <arin> I am not talking about a desktop link
[19:37] <arin> Its the main menu where the problem lies
[19:37] <somerville32> I know
[19:37] <somerville32> But all they are are desktop files
[19:37] <arin> The alternative probably is to create Desktop entry for each item
[19:37] <arin> ok
[19:37] <arin> Till I find a solution
[19:37] <somerville32> One sec
[19:39] <somerville32> /usr/share/app-install/desktop/
[19:40] <arin> ok
[19:40] <arin> somerville: Will try that
[19:41] <arin> Thanks
[19:42] <somerville32> I think there is a command that needs to be run after you edit it to rebuild the menu
[19:43] <arin> What is it?
[19:43] <slow-motion> re
[19:44] <somerville32> update-desktop-database
[19:45] <arin> Can only try on tomorrow ....
[19:46] <somerville32> hmm?
[19:47] <hyper__ch> Yesterday, a French judge dismissed a lawsuit against the Wikimedia Foundation for defamation. The judge found that 'Web site hosts cannot be liable under civil law because of information stored on them if they do not in fact know of their illicit nature.'
[19:47] <somerville32> :]
[19:48] <arin> Good
[19:48] <hyper__ch> but then I think in common law countries it would be different
[19:48] <hyper__ch> although chief justice Cordazzo did make some interesting remarks on the liabilty for third-party information in... damn, waht was the case called again
[19:48] <somerville32> Civil law is everything that is not criminal law, IIUC
[19:49] <TheSheep> hyper__ch: same in Poland, but they have to act if they receive information 'with high degree of probability'
[19:49] <hyper__ch> TheSheep: same for Switzerland... upon notification you have to act/review
[19:50] <hyper__ch> somerville32: criminal law is part of public law and hence not civil law ;)
[19:51] <somerville32> Splendid.
[19:51] <hyper__ch> ?
[19:51] <TheSheep> hyper__ch: that's why RIAA is sending automated infringment notifications by billions
[19:51] <TheSheep> but we should take it to offtopic
[19:51] <hyper__ch> TheSheep: they are spamming
[19:51] <arin> somerville: In XFCE FAQ there is an entry on how to enable to menu editor
[19:54] <garuhhh> hi! how do i know how much memory my video card has?
[19:54] <TheSheep> garuhhh: look into /var/log/xorg.0.log
[19:54] <hyper__ch> garuhhh: look at the video card box?
[19:54] <garuhhh> hyperch: i dont have the box..
[19:55] <garuhhh> thesheep: thanks.. i'll try that
[19:55] <hyper__ch> garuhhh: use tab completion for getting the nickname correctly
[19:56] <garuhhh> hyper__ch: oh! thanks! didn't know that's applicable here :D
[19:56] <hyper__ch> garuhhh: in support it makes it easier if you directly address the one the message is diretected at :)
[19:57] <garuhhh> hyper__ch: yeah, i noticed :D thanks!
[19:57] <hyper__ch> garuhhh: ^^
[19:58] <garuhhh> until now, i was typing the names manually!! lol
[19:58] <hyper__ch> garuhhh: tab completion is also nice in the shell ;)
[19:59] <garuhhh> hyper__ch: aaaahh.. that thing i know. :D
[19:59] <hyper__ch> garuhhh: did TheSheep solution help?
[19:59] <garuhhh> hyper__ch: unfortunately, am not in my linux machine now..
[20:00] <garuhhh> hyper__ch: it's 4am now here in my place, and got to go home, i'll check it as soon as i get my sleep :D
[20:00] <hyper__ch> garuhhh: you can look up what the video card is and search it online... it should tell you
[20:00] <evil_tech> blarg dvd is dumb
[20:00] <garuhhh> hyper__ch: i have a weird problem with my video card
[20:01] <garuhhh> hyper__ch: its supposed to be a riva tnt2 m64, so it should have 32mb.
[20:01] <hyper__ch> evil_tech: something's really screwed up with yyour system
[20:01] <hyper__ch> garuhhh: no clue
[20:01] <hyper__ch> garuhhh: I know mine has 128mb
[20:01] <garuhhh> hyper__ch: what majority of the OS i used see is SiS, and it only shows 16mb
[20:02]  * hyper__ch doesn't know what SiS is
[20:02] <garuhhh> hyper__ch: windowsXp sees SiS, but onlly sees the 16mb memory,
[20:02] <garuhhh> hyper__ch: SiS is one of the videocard brands..
[20:02] <evil_tech> i think im just going to reinstall
[20:02] <hyper__ch> garuhhh: whatever
[20:02] <evil_tech> the whole system
[20:02] <hyper__ch> evil_tech: don't forget to backup your data :)
[20:03] <evil_tech> it was a fresh install to begin with
[20:03] <evil_tech> old windows me dell :)
[20:08] <arin> hyper__ch: Thanks for taking up my cause in XFCE channel
[20:08] <hyper__ch> arin: np
[20:17] <cooteian> Does anyone know what would cause my HWaddr to read all zeros, and how I can fix it?
[20:17] <cooteian> I've googled around for an answer but come up short
[20:19] <cooteian> I'm using xubuntu 7.10, the eth0 interface works, but I am trying to assign a static IP to the machine and the router needs a valid MAC address.
[20:20] <somerville32> You can always use the router to find the MAC address
[20:20] <hyper__ch> why mac addresses?
[20:20] <hyper__ch> they are easily faked
[20:21] <cooteian> I don't know really. The router needs it to assign a static IP address
[20:21] <cooteian> the router finds it, but it's all zeros
[20:23] <arin> cooteian: assing any mac address by using "ifconfig eth0 hw ether <mac id>"
[20:23] <cooteian> It doesn't matter what mac address I use?
[20:24] <hyper__ch> arin: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/159611
[20:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 159611 in ubuntu "xubuntu openoffice" [Undecided,New]
[20:24] <cooteian> I confess, I don't know much about them, I've never really had to deal with it before
[20:24] <arin> cooteian: No as long as it is a valid one
[20:24] <cooteian> they're hex right?
[20:25] <arin> cooteian: they will be in the form 00:80:48:BA:d1:20
[20:26] <cooteian> 6 groups of two, between 0-9, a-f right?
[20:27] <arin> hyper__ch: Thanks for putting the bug in launchpad
[20:27] <hyper__ch> arin: maybe something will be done about it
[20:27] <arin> hyper__ch I also hope so
[20:31] <somerville32> :)
[20:37] <zoredache> cooteian: one thing would cause your hwaddress to be all zeros is that you dont' have an ethernet adapter and instead you have something different...
[20:38] <cooteian> like what?
[20:38] <zoredache> like a ppp interface
[20:39] <zoredache> I think token ring network adapters...
[20:39] <zoredache> obscure things
[20:39] <cooteian> 02:0b.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
[20:39] <cooteian> That's the output of lspci | grep Ethernet
[20:39] <cooteian> What's a ppp?
[20:39] <somerville32> dial-up modem
[20:39] <zoredache> point to point tunneling protocol
[20:40] <evil_tech> token rings have normal mac addresses i think
[20:40] <zoredache> err... point to point protocol... no tunnel
[20:40] <cooteian> oh, no, I used to use it on a windows box, I'm pretty sure its just a regular ethernet controller
[20:40] <cooteian> I could be wrong though
[20:40] <zoredache> ah well, then either something is broke on your controller, or the drive in the kernel is broke
[20:40] <cooteian> Maybe look around for another card, see if that fixes it
[20:41] <zoredache> driver*
[20:41] <cooteian> I'll look for a replacement, I just tried to manually assign the mac address and it says that eth0 is not configured, but ifconfig says that it is up and running
[20:42] <somerville32> Try taking it down and than set it and than bring it up again
[20:42] <cooteian> and when I try ifdown eth0, it says it is not configured
[20:42] <somerville32> Force it down then
[20:42] <zoredache> ifdown --force
[20:42] <cooteian> I'll try that
[20:43] <cooteian> no, now ifdown doesn't give an error, but afterward eth0 still shows up in ifconfig
[20:46] <cooteian> I've got another card. I'll try replacing it, see if that helps
[20:46] <cooteian> Thanks for the help
[20:46] <hyper__ch> !bug 159661
[20:46] <hyper__ch> !bug 159611
[20:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 159611 in ubuntu "xubuntu openoffice" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/159611
[20:50] <hyper__ch> ubuntu contains a lot of bugs
[21:00] <somerville32> hyper__ch, You contain even more.
[21:00] <hyper__ch> somerville32: those in me are no bugs, just features ;)
[21:00] <somerville32> :]
[21:03] <hyper__ch> somerville32: you're from the US, right?
[21:03] <somerville32> Canada
[21:03] <hyper__ch> Canada is nice... nice people, nice chicks, good laws ;)
[21:04] <hyper__ch> somerville32: did you also apply for a Canadian Flag from the Parliament Tower?
[21:04] <somerville32> hyper__ch, No, I haven't.
[21:04] <hyper__ch> somerville32: ;)
[21:05] <hyper__ch> somerville32: waiting list is about 10 years
[21:06] <somerville32> Crazyness
[21:06] <hyper__ch> ;)
[21:07] <hyper__ch> so, I'm off doing nothing but watching some video ;)
[21:49] <zoredache> is the 'tree' sidebar in thunar new?  Or was I just not smart enough to find it in 7.04?
[21:52] <somerville32> It isn't new.
[22:00] <tuga3d> hi all
[22:00] <somerville32> hi
[22:01] <tuga3d> i've updated to the xubuntu 7.10 and now i can't start a program using wine it gives me this error
[22:01] <tuga3d> fixme:actctx:parse_depend_manifests Could not find dependent assembly L"Microsoft.Windows.Common-Controls"
[22:01] <tuga3d> err:module:LdrInitializeThunk "MSVCR80.dll" failed to initialize, aborting
[22:01] <tuga3d> err:module:LdrInitializeThunk Main exe initialization for L"Z:\\home\\paulo\\soft\\indigo\\indigo.exe" failed, status c0000142
[22:01] <tuga3d> anyone?
[22:10] <Mark76> I've created a partition but I don't have permission to write to it
[22:11] <zoredache> oh?
[22:12] <zoredache> did you format the partition?
[22:12] <Mark76> Hmm
[22:12] <Mark76> I mounted it
[22:13] <Mark76> Does that count?
[22:14] <nikolam> hi. I have a bit of headache with update application after xen install
[22:14] <nikolam> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/43053/
[22:14] <zoredache> how did you partition it?
[22:14] <Mark76> Parted magic with GParted
[22:15] <zoredache> ah, you probably created the filesystem there... anyway you probably need to give yourself permissions to write there.
[22:15] <Mark76> Okay, what's the code?
[22:16] <zoredache> you could do this many different ways... how you set permissions depends on who, and how you will be accessing it
[22:16] <Mark76> I'll try user settings
[22:16] <zoredache> anyway, one quick way is to do a 'sudo chmod 1777 /mountpoint' replace the /mountpoint with the actual mount point
[22:17] <zoredache> that will let anyone logged into your system write to the drive, but they will only be able to read/change what they created themselves
[22:17] <Mark76> Mount point is?
[22:22] <Mark76> Is that ext2/ext3 and all that?
[22:31] <Mark76> Sorry, but unless I know what to call it how on earth can I do anything with it?
[22:32] <Mark76> Should I sudo chmod 1777/11G-Volume ? Or what?
[22:36] <Mark76> I'm downloading the iso for Linux Mint
[22:36] <Mark76> I'm going to try to install it without burning it to a CD first
[22:39] <Mark76> But I need to be able to write to the new partition
[22:39] <Mark76> Which I can't do at the moment
[22:39] <Mark76> Becasue I don't know how to
[22:40] <Mark76> I've looked in users and groups and I can't see anything useful in there
[22:47] <Mark76> zengen
[22:47] <Mark76> What's a mount point?
[22:47] <zengen> The directory where you mount something to access the files.
[22:48] <Mark76> Should I have named it when I made the partition?
[22:48] <zengen> It's, generally, not a partition.  Like when you insert a cd it's automounted to it's mount of of /media/*
[22:49] <Mark76> Okay, see I created a partition earlier but I can't seem to write to it
[22:49] <zengen>  /media/cdrom*
[22:49] <zengen> You can access the partition, though?  At least see it?
[22:50] <Mark76> Yes
[22:50] <zengen> permission denied?
[22:50] <Mark76> There's a lost and found folder with a big X on it
[22:50] <Mark76> Correct
[22:50] <zengen> Have you tried to sudo write to it?  It's probably just a permission problem.
[22:51] <Mark76> I don't know what to call it
[22:51] <zengen> I'm not sure what you mean.  What do you click in thunar to get to it?
[22:52] <Mark76> It has its own desktop icon
[22:52] <zengen> Did you create after you installed xubuntu, during or after?
[22:52] <Mark76> After
[22:52] <zengen> okay
[22:53] <somerville32> Did you format it?
[22:53] <zengen> You need to edit your /etc/fstab
[22:53] <Mark76> I don't know how to format in Linux
[22:53] <somerville32> mkfs
[22:54] <zengen> Did you make it with gparted?
[22:54] <Mark76> Yeah
[22:54] <Mark76> Kind of
[22:54] <zengen> Do you remember what it was called?  sdb* or something like that.
[22:55] <Mark76> No
[22:55] <zengen> Can you open gparted back up and look?  You'll need that for fstab.
[22:56] <Mark76> Hang on
[22:57] <zengen> What we're going to do will put the partition in your / directory.  You'll access it through /yourname from the root directory.
[22:57] <Mark76> Okay
[23:00] <Mark76> I have a 10.63 gigabyte volume. File system: ext3. Mountpoint /media/disk
[23:00] <zengen> okay
[23:01] <Mark76> What's the next step?
[23:02] <zengen> In gparted what does it say in the upper bar? /dev/**** something.
[23:02] <Mark76> /dev/sda3?
[23:02] <zengen> okay
[23:02] <zengen> sec
[23:02] <zengen> what do you want to name it?
[23:03] <Mark76> Dunno
[23:03] <zengen> What are you going to use it for?
[23:03] <Mark76> I'll think of something when I get there
[23:03] <zengen> okay
[23:03] <Mark76> I'm going to use it to try out other Linux Distros
[23:03] <zengen> from a terminal sudo mousepad /etc/fstab
[23:04] <zengen> oh
[23:04] <zengen> You won't need to mount it in xubuntu for that.
[23:04] <Mark76> Yeah, but I'm trying them out without a CD
[23:05] <zoredache> eh?  so how are you planning on installing without a cd?
[23:05] <Mark76> It's possible
[23:05] <zoredache> it is, yes, but, don't take this personally, I don't think you have the ability to manage it
[23:06] <zoredache> you really wouldn't want to mount it in xubuntu...
[23:06] <zoredache> you would need to bootstrap the install somehow perhaps by mounting the install cd in a chroot.
[23:07] <zoredache> it really would depend on the distro you are trying to install...
[23:07] <Mark76> Linux Mint
[23:07] <zoredache> If you want to play around the 'easy' way, install vmware
[23:07] <zoredache> then create a virtual machine to play with your distributions in
[23:08] <zengen> But, if you do want to add that partition to xubuntu anyway add this line to your /etc/fstab     /dev/sda3 /yourname ext3 defaults 0 0
[23:08] <Mark76> Okay
[23:08] <Mark76> IS the vmware route easier?
[23:09] <zengen> Why don't you want to use a CD install?  just wondering
[23:09] <zoredache> getting vmware installed is a little tricky, but once it is installed it is very easy to use
[23:10] <Mark76> I don't have a burner and I don't want to fork out for installation disks for something I might not keep anyway
[23:11] <zengen> I'd go with what zoredache said then.  I've never used vmware, but it sounds like the best plan.
[23:11] <Mark76> If I like the distro then I'll send off for the CD
[23:14] <zoredache> this looks like a correct set of directions
[23:15] <zoredache> http://www.tssci-security.com/archives/2007/10/25/how-to-install-vmware-server-on-ubuntu-710-gutsy-gibbon/
[23:18] <Mark76> Ta
[23:19] <Mr_Gerbik> Hello all. Does anyone know why xfce-terminal uses only pseudo-transparency?
[23:19] <zengen> You mean showing the wallpaper no matter what'd directly behind it?
[23:20] <zengen> what's*
[23:20] <Mr_Gerbik> zengen, correct
[23:20] <somerville32> It uses real transparency if you enabled the compositor
[23:20] <Mr_Gerbik> ty
[23:20] <zengen> It's in Window Manager Tweaks.
[23:20] <zengen> last tab, I think
[23:22] <Mark76> Yeah
[23:23] <Mark76> Talking of windows managers, is there any way to add them to xfce?
[23:24] <zengen> There are some in the repos.
[23:25] <Mark76> True, but how do you get them to run in the xfce DE?
[23:27] <zengen> I know there's an option in one of the display config ui's to disable xfce as the window manager, but I'm not sure if it will go straight to the new after you disable it.
[23:28] <Mark76> xfce is its own window manager?
[23:29] <zengen> yeah
[23:29] <zengen> applications > settings > desktop settings
[23:29] <Mark76> Economical
[23:34] <Mark76> I'm installing afterstep
[23:35] <Mark76> If I reboot it should be using that as the WM when I log in again, yes?
[23:36] <Mark76> Here goes
[23:43] <Mark76> Afterstep looks interesting
[23:44] <Mark76> Whoops
[23:48] <gerro> anyone know where I can appeal a ban from ubuntu channel?
[23:48] <Mark76> Sorry
[23:48] <TheSheep> #ubuntu-ops
[23:48] <gerro> k thx
[23:49] <TheSheep> gerro: but it's better to just accept it and come back when it expires
[23:49] <TheSheep> gerro: even if you were caught in some larger disturbance by mistake
[23:51] <gerro> nah LjL just being an ass forcing people to do things his way trolling #ubuntu like always. got mad I told someone how to delete a folder and that you could use /usr directory
[23:52] <gerro> I'm sorry if I sound rude but I like to help others and getting snubbed for trying my best to is just pathetic
[23:53] <TheSheep> gerro: the ops are working hard to keep some order and prevent people from destroying their instalations
[23:53] <TheSheep> gerro: even if you are right, you are not going to achieve anything while being angry, I've seen this many times
[23:56] <Mark76> Ugh, Must find anti-aliasing
[23:56] <gerro> ah now they talking about kicking me from #xubuntu
[23:56] <TheSheep> Mark76: user interface settings
[23:56] <TheSheep> gerro: see?
[23:57] <somerville32> gerro, Who is?
[23:57] <gerro> tonyyaruso
[23:57] <Mark76> I'm not in Kansas anymore, Dorothy ;)
[23:57] <Mark76> I'm in AFTERSTEP!
[23:57] <TheSheep> Mark76: then try #afterstep or something
[23:57] <gerro> I disagree that the majority of ubuntu users are newbies, I like to give others respect. That is just lame the comments going on
[23:58] <somerville32> Where are these comments being made?
[23:58] <gerro> in #ubuntu-ops
 gerro: even a very intelligent kid doesn't know what harm a gun can do without being told
[23:58] <TheSheep> gerro: please, just calm down, go for a walk, you are hurting yourself and us (because we will lose your help)
[23:59] <TheSheep> gerro: besides, it's ot here
[23:59] <gerro> completely on topic
[23:59] <gerro> they brought up #xubuntu