| bobesponja | do I need to add a line to sources.list? I can't get kde4 beta3 packages here | 00:40 |
|---|---|---|
| DaSkreech | bobesponja: read the topic in #kubuntu | 00:43 |
| bobesponja | DaSkreech: it gives a link to the kubuntu.org page that says to install kdebase-workspace and kde4base-dev, but I already have those and they are beta 2 | 00:46 |
| DaSkreech | bobesponja: Gutsy? | 00:50 |
| bobesponja | DaSkreech: yep | 00:53 |
| DaSkreech | and you don't have kdebase-workspace in universe ? | 00:54 |
| bobesponja | DaSkreech: i do have it but only 3.94 | 00:55 |
| DaSkreech | bobesponja: how are you installing? | 00:55 |
| DaSkreech | Apt-get or adept? | 00:55 |
| bobesponja | apt get | 00:56 |
| DaSkreech | run a apt-cache policy kdebase-workspace | 00:56 |
| DaSkreech | and pastebin it | 00:56 |
| bobesponja | kdebase-workspace: | 00:57 |
| bobesponja | Installed: 3.94.0-0ubuntu2 | 00:57 |
| bobesponja | Candidate: 3.94.0-0ubuntu2 | 00:57 |
| bobesponja | Version table: | 00:57 |
| bobesponja | *** 3.94.0-0ubuntu2 0 | 00:57 |
| bobesponja | 500 http://mir1.ovh.net gutsy/universe Packages | 00:57 |
| bobesponja | 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status | 00:57 |
| DaSkreech | !paste | 00:57 |
| ubotu | pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) | 00:57 |
| DaSkreech | http://www.kde.org/info/3.94.php | 00:58 |
| DaSkreech | bobesponja: ^^^ | 00:58 |
| bobesponja | DaSkreech: but 3.94 is beta2, not beta3 right? | 01:02 |
| DaSkreech | bobesponja: read the link | 01:02 |
| bobesponja | DaSkreech: this page is wrong: http://www.kde.org/info/3.95.php | 01:09 |
| bobesponja | DaSkreech: beta 3 is 3.95 not 94 | 01:09 |
| DaSkreech | If you say so :) | 01:10 |
| DaSkreech | I trust The KDE website a little more | 01:10 |
| DaSkreech | but I may defer to you | 01:10 |
| uga | bobesponja: my kde reads right now... 3.95, beta 4 =) | 01:16 |
| uga | so now, what's right and what's not ;)) | 01:16 |
| uga | not talking about docs. Talking about "about kde" menu :P | 01:16 |
| bobesponja | DaSkreech: im pretty sure about this, check kde svn or whatever | 01:17 |
| bobesponja | its not about me against kde or you for that matter :) | 01:18 |
| DaSkreech | bobesponja: Where are you looking in the SVn ? | 01:18 |
| bobesponja | tags | 01:18 |
| uga | in case you don't believe me: http://www.telefonica.net/web/ugarro/version.png | 01:19 |
| uga | updated from svn around half an hour ago | 01:21 |
| DaSkreech | bobesponja: Sooo what's BEta 4? | 01:22 |
| bobesponja | DaSkreech: KDE 3.95 was released on October 30th, 2007. http://www.kde.org/info/3.95.php says it all | 01:22 |
| DaSkreech | bobesponja: Yes | 01:22 |
| DaSkreech | it says Beta 4 | 01:23 |
| uga | bobesponja: http://websvn.kde.org/tags/KDE/3.95/kdelibs/INSTALL?view=log | 01:23 |
| uga | read there | 01:23 |
| uga | it's under 3.95 tag | 01:23 |
| DaSkreech | the info/3.94.php says BEta 3 | 01:23 |
| uga | and says... guess... | 01:23 |
| uga | tagging KDE 4.0 beta4 / KDE Platform RC1 | 01:23 |
| uga | and I somehow trust Dirk =) | 01:23 |
| bobesponja | lol ok then I had 3.94 on my laptop since w few weeks already :) | 01:25 |
| DaSkreech | bobesponja: Thumbs up | 01:25 |
| DaSkreech | Another satisfied customer :) | 01:25 |
| bobesponja | but how can i have 3.94 since a few weeks if it was released a few day ago, it must be an old snapshot or something | 01:26 |
| uga | bobesponja: 3.95 was released a few days ago | 01:26 |
| uga | not 3.94 | 01:26 |
| uga | 3.95 was tagged on the 26th October | 01:27 |
| uga | 7 days ago | 01:27 |
| bobesponja | ok so whys that on not on kubuntu then??? kidding | 01:28 |
| DaSkreech | bobesponja: read the topic in here now | 01:28 |
| uga | I really don't see the point on any distro providing these packs anyway... | 01:28 |
| DaSkreech | uga: ??? | 01:28 |
| uga | for devels, there's svn. And users shouldn't use it, imho | 01:28 |
| DaSkreech | release early relelase often | 01:29 |
| uga | there's no much point in devels using snapshots | 01:29 |
| DaSkreech | get feedback | 01:29 |
| uga | and feedback is what... "It's broken"? =) | 01:29 |
| DaSkreech | Aaron having a Bug Krush on Saturday(today) | 01:29 |
| DaSkreech | that's all useful stuff | 01:29 |
| DaSkreech | uga: Yes if they can point out stuff that might be missed otherwise | 01:29 |
| uga | okay, but I don't see the desktop being usable in this state | 01:30 |
| uga | DaSkreech: so far not even kmail has worked, the desktop cannot be customised in any manner, and lots of kcm modules cannot be tested because the privilege management problem | 01:31 |
| uga | those are the things that most users would report about | 01:31 |
| DaSkreech | Not even Kmail sure choose a simple app why don't you | 01:31 |
| DaSkreech | ignore all the ones that worm | 01:31 |
| DaSkreech | work | 01:31 |
| DaSkreech | but do silly things like have an option to remove the menu bar but Ctrl+M doesn't work | 01:32 |
| uga | DaSkreech: what does any Bob user do with his pc on a daily basis | 01:32 |
| uga | write in word, send e-mails and customise his desktop | 01:32 |
| uga | ftp...? web? | 01:32 |
| DaSkreech | uga: This is NOT being pitched at Bob D. User right now | 01:32 |
| uga | DaSkreech: THAT's my point =) | 01:32 |
| DaSkreech | But it equally should not be hid from the world | 01:32 |
| uga | it's aimed at developers mostly | 01:32 |
| nosrednaekim | yes! | 01:32 |
| uga | so why provide distro packages | 01:32 |
| nosrednaekim | thanks! | 01:32 |
| uga | DaSkreech: now you follow me? :P | 01:32 |
| DaSkreech | uga: So IRC has a monopoly on developers? | 01:33 |
| uga | uhm? | 01:33 |
| DaSkreech | Have you spoken to apaku ? | 01:33 |
| nosrednaekim | this is open source we are talking about... why not make it easier on people who woul compile it just to see it? | 01:33 |
| uga | nosrednaekim: sure, if they can provide good feedback | 01:33 |
| DaSkreech | Cause not everyone has that time | 01:34 |
| DaSkreech | dipping toes allows you to get in when comfortable | 01:34 |
| uga | okay, I understand your point | 01:34 |
| DaSkreech | Hardcore devs will compile from SVN just cause | 01:34 |
| DaSkreech | those with jobs/mates/familes/lives may not have that impetus but seeing something nearly working will tip them over into adding suggestions/code/good valid bugs | 01:35 |
| uga | sorry, I was seeing these kde4 packs as oriented towards the average user | 01:35 |
| DaSkreech | uga: I don't see KDE 4.0 as aimed to the average user :-p | 01:35 |
| uga | I dont' see either. That's why I'm surprised about the .debs | 01:35 |
| uga | I can see many people expect too much from them | 01:36 |
| DaSkreech | Yes true but What does it hurt them? | 01:36 |
| uga | they may switch over to gnome, you know? =) | 01:36 |
| DaSkreech | and if it brings in one new dev or pair of eyeballs a week | 01:36 |
| uga | scared of the future :P | 01:36 |
| DaSkreech | uga: :-P Yeah good luck with that | 01:37 |
| nosrednaekim | they are warned of its quality, and quite frankly I haven't heard many serious complaints | 01:37 |
| nosrednaekim | (about fears for the future) | 01:37 |
| uga | shit, I was clicking on the close window icon, on my screenie | 01:39 |
| uga | I hate when screenies look exactly like one's desktop ;) | 01:39 |
| nosrednaekim | haha | 01:40 |
| uga | I may use gwenview in fullscreen mode to protect the desktop from unwanted users, hehe | 01:40 |
| DaSkreech | Ha ha | 01:40 |
| DaSkreech | wouldn't the preview in the pager give it away ? | 01:41 |
| uga | pager? what pager? | 01:41 |
| uga | even the systray is off the screen right now | 01:41 |
| DaSkreech | ah ok | 01:42 |
| uga | my kde4 pager doesn't show any previews | 01:42 |
| uga | and there's none on the desktop by default | 01:42 |
| nosrednaekim | uga: you are using kde4 now? | 01:44 |
| uga | yes | 01:44 |
| uga | nosrednaekim: the screenie I posted here is my current desktop | 01:44 |
| uga | you know... eat your own dog food | 01:45 |
| nosrednaekim | I must not have been around then.... | 01:46 |
| uga | nosrednaekim: [02:19] <uga> in case you don't believe me: http://www.telefonica.net/web/ugarro/version.png | 01:46 |
| uga | when we were figuring out what version no. corresponded to what beta release | 01:46 |
| nosrednaekim | its easy.... add one to the beta version... divide by 100, and add 3.9 | 01:48 |
| nosrednaekim | ;) | 01:48 |
| uga | lol | 01:48 |
| uga | nosrednaekim: well, I knew what it was, but bob didn't believe us ;) | 01:48 |
| nosrednaekim | E|:-}> | 01:48 |
| uga | nosrednaekim: and... no | 01:49 |
| uga | beta 4 isn't 3.94 | 01:49 |
| uga | it's 3.95 | 01:49 |
| uga | so your maths are off by 1 ;) | 01:49 |
| nosrednaekim | i said add *1* | 01:50 |
| uga | oh sorry, I missed that | 01:50 |
| nosrednaekim | :D | 01:50 |
| uga | I used sentence gap autocompletion... :P | 01:50 |
| nosrednaekim | yeah, I really should stop puctuating with periods like that | 01:50 |
| nosrednaekim | its almost as bad as Aaron's obsession with no capitals | 01:51 |
| nosrednaekim | uga: oooo you got compositing working :) | 01:52 |
| nosrednaekim | have to go,big test tomorrow, c ya | 01:53 |
| uga | uhm? doesn't compositing work for everyone? | 01:59 |
| DaSkreech | Nope | 02:06 |
| * DaSkreech kicks Live Cds | 02:06 | |
| DaSkreech | Hey man | 02:15 |
| coreymon77 | huh? | 02:23 |
| coreymon77 | what did i miss | 02:23 |
| DaSkreech | coreymon77: Beta 3 bumping up a version number | 02:25 |
| === Daskreech2 is now known as DaSkreech | ||
| DaSkreech | Jucato: I recently read that one of the objectives in the roadmap for 8.04 was that Kubuntu had to catch up with all the features that Ubuntu offers. I hope that means that Kubuntu will get as much attention as Ubuntu gets. | 03:12 |
| nixternal | kde4pim is giving me a headache | 03:21 |
| nixternal | ahh, finially it configured | 03:21 |
| yuriy | DaSkreech: i don't think attention is a feature ;) | 03:25 |
| DaSkreech | ha ha :) | 03:26 |
| Jucato | nixternal!!!!! | 03:26 |
| Jucato | dang! I needed to catch up w/ you but I need to disappear now :( | 03:27 |
| nixternal | lovely | 03:28 |
| nixternal | I am trying to finish up the Beta 4 builds so I can sleep | 03:28 |
| nixternal | I have a silly busy day tomorrow :( | 03:28 |
| Jucato | nixternal: what's this I hear about you and .doc files? :) | 03:29 |
| nixternal | me? | 03:29 |
| nixternal | I don't think so | 03:29 |
| nixternal | if I send you a word processed file, it will be .tex | 03:30 |
| nixternal | I don't mess with no stinkin' .doc or .odf | 03:30 |
| nixternal | you have been talking with eddie | 03:30 |
| Jucato | to the chicago list? | 03:30 |
| * Jucato whistles innocently... | 03:30 | |
| nixternal | ya, that was eddie :) | 03:30 |
| * Jucato wonders what a rodeo looks like... | 03:31 | |
| nixternal | you need to stop listening to eddie | 03:32 |
| Jucato | hahaha | 03:32 |
| nixternal | he is bad for your health | 03:32 |
| Jucato | lol | 03:32 |
| Jucato | :D | 03:32 |
| nixternal | sucks too, I was supposed to go see a talk on Conary tomorrow | 03:32 |
| Jucato | aw... | 03:33 |
| Jucato | oh so its "Conary"... | 03:33 |
| Jucato | I kept on thinking in my head Coronary.... | 03:33 |
| nixternal | I was planning, well myself and this DD Dirk, to show up and out package them | 03:33 |
| nixternal | hah, it will probably leard to a coronary | 03:33 |
| Jucato | haha | 03:33 |
| nixternal | man, kdepim takes longer than kdebase to build | 03:34 |
| Jucato | yes I've noticed that | 03:34 |
| Jucato | kdepim is by far, the longest | 03:34 |
| Jucato | kdepim > kdebase > kdelibs | 03:35 |
| nixternal | eddie is e.tarded | 03:35 |
| nixternal | he is complaining that there are no krecipes docs, and I know I edited them last year helping them out | 03:36 |
| Jucato | I'm sure you meant that in a loving way :) | 03:36 |
| nixternal | ya, he doesn't pay attention to recommends | 03:36 |
| nixternal | because there is krecipes-docs | 03:36 |
| Jucato | hahaha until recently, I didn't either | 03:36 |
| Jucato | but ever since the modification of kubuntu-desktop, I started paying attention to recommends | 03:36 |
| Jucato | oh krap, now I have to go... me and my mom are going to the mall... wonder what stuff I'd be able to buy :) | 03:37 |
| DaSkreech | Yay krecipe! | 03:37 |
| DaSkreech | is that still alive ? | 03:37 |
| nixternal | muheheh, get some c++ books! | 03:37 |
| nixternal | DaSkreech: heck ya, it is the greatest app in the world | 03:37 |
| DaSkreech | Cool I have a Feature idea | 03:37 |
| DaSkreech | Mailing list I assume ? | 03:37 |
| Jucato | hope I can see an *updated* C++ book :) | 03:37 |
| Jucato | or maybe python.. | 03:37 |
| Jucato | anyway... later! | 03:38 |
| nixternal | wait until I publish my coconut, walnut, chocolate chip cookie bars with a toffee and graham cracker crust! | 03:38 |
| DaSkreech | nixternal: on GHNS ! | 03:38 |
| nixternal | I will be at GNHS tomorrow | 03:39 |
| DaSkreech | To quote one of theUpper class | 03:39 |
| DaSkreech | ThatsHawt! | 03:39 |
| DaSkreech | Anyone in #kde4-krush ? | 04:14 |
| yuriy | hey, maybe that's what i should do | 04:14 |
| yuriy | beta4 packages would help... | 04:15 |
| nixternal | DaSkreech: I almost forgot about that | 04:16 |
| nixternal | I am in there now | 04:16 |
| DaSkreech | Yup | 04:16 |
| nixternal | and I have 3 simultaneous KDE 4 builds going on | 04:16 |
| DaSkreech | I'm about to drop | 04:16 |
| DaSkreech | nixternal: See if the new devices notifier applet is still broken | 04:16 |
| yuriy | building kde4 would help me actually help with this... | 04:17 |
| yuriy | how long would it take? | 04:17 |
| DaSkreech | nixternal: And just kinda randomly open up apps and see if Ctrl+M works and if they ahve the option to remove the menu bar in the view menu | 04:17 |
| DaSkreech | nixternal: They should either have both or have none | 04:17 |
| DaSkreech | only set of obvious bugs I can think of right now | 04:18 |
| DaSkreech | You too yuriy :) | 04:20 |
| Riddell | scott says /win 28 | 04:20 |
| Riddell | cool | 04:20 |
| yuriy | DaSkreech: me too what? | 04:22 |
| DaSkreech | yuriy: After youbuild kinda open random apps and see if it has a View -> remove menu bar | 04:22 |
| DaSkreech | If it does see if Ctrl+M works | 04:23 |
| DaSkreech | if it doesn'tthat's a bug | 04:23 |
| yuriy | well i haven't started building.. i don't really know where to start, actually | 04:23 |
| yuriy | it's getting late but depending on how long it takes i might give it a shot | 04:23 |
| DaSkreech | nixternal: ping | 04:23 |
| nixternal | yo | 04:24 |
| DaSkreech | How long to build KDE4 | 04:24 |
| nixternal | couple of hours | 04:24 |
| DaSkreech | yuriy: You pulling code? | 04:24 |
| nixternal | kdepim takes forever | 04:24 |
| nixternal | Riddell: I will have ALL OF BETA 4 COMPLETE SOON! | 04:24 |
| Riddell | holy guacamole | 04:24 |
| nixternal | mmm guacamole | 04:25 |
| nixternal | I had Portillos hotdogs for dinner :) | 04:25 |
| DaSkreech | ha ha | 04:25 |
| DaSkreech | nixternal: funny that's my suggestion for Krecipe | 04:25 |
| nixternal | what is? | 04:25 |
| nixternal | portillos hot dogs? | 04:25 |
| * DaSkreech nods | 04:25 | |
| nixternal | I think Dick Portillo would have you whacked | 04:25 |
| DaSkreech | I was doing a recipe for a hot dog type meal | 04:26 |
| DaSkreech | and thought Hey Krecipe could be better! | 04:26 |
| nixternal | I need to do my tequila shrimp recipe, and my tequila mahi mahi tacos | 04:26 |
| nixternal | I think we need to setup a SQL server where we can share our recipes | 04:27 |
| DaSkreech | They need to be able to flag ingredients as optional | 04:27 |
| DaSkreech | nixternal: No need | 04:27 |
| DaSkreech | GHNS2 :) | 04:27 |
| nixternal | ok, fill me in, because that is the 2nd time you have said it, and I have no clue what you are talking about | 04:27 |
| nixternal | never mind, if I put the letters together, i get it | 04:28 |
| nixternal | get hot new stuff (I guess when it works) :) | 04:28 |
| DaSkreech | Yup :) | 04:28 |
| DaSkreech | annma and I have been preaching it for months now | 04:29 |
| yuriy | ok pulling *yawn* | 04:29 |
| DaSkreech | yuriy: well if the feathered bed calls as is mine pull and start the compile | 04:32 |
| DaSkreech | AAron says that he may have these every saturday | 04:33 |
| DaSkreech | that gives you a full days head start :) | 04:33 |
| DaSkreech | Or a week depending :) | 04:33 |
| DaSkreech | whoops | 04:34 |
| DaSkreech | aaron | 04:34 |
| DaSkreech | no caps | 04:35 |
| yuriy | damn even a pull takes a while... maybe i shouldn't have done all modules | 04:36 |
| === DaSkreech is now known as DaSkreech|BlindD | ||
| Serega | morning | 06:23 |
| mhb | good morning | 08:10 |
| mhb | interesting discussions in #ubuntu-devel this morning, although a bit depressing for some (like me) | 08:43 |
| Hobbsee | morning mhb | 09:52 |
| * Hobbsee wonders what it was | 09:52 | |
| Czessi-m | morning | 09:53 |
| * buz is trying to figure out why hal wont send a new device message to kde when a device mapper storage device is added? | 09:54 | |
| mhb | Hobbsee: some people complained about Kubuntu being unable to upgrade (which is a very common bug) and the Ubuntu developers being kind of oblivious about that | 09:56 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 09:57 |
| Hobbsee | well, it's hard to know about kubuntu stuff when it mostly happens in here | 09:57 |
| * Hobbsee is reading the log | 09:57 | |
| mhb | Hobbsee: they don't really care as long as it doesn't affect Ubuntu or it is a (much money) paying customer, I guess. That is okay and perfectly understandable, but a bit depressing for me. | 09:57 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: vista first, now gnome. what next level will you fall to? | 09:59 |
| persia | Hi. Is this a main-only space, or can I ask about packaging hints for universe KDE packages as well? | 09:59 |
| mhb | you can ask about whatever you like :o) | 10:00 |
| Hobbsee | hiya persia | 10:00 |
| * mhb is not a packager so he won't be of much use, though | 10:00 | |
| Hobbsee | persia: anything kde is fine. | 10:00 |
| persia | Great! I'm currently patching codeine for the libxine transition, and I can't get it to build. scons complains kde-config is missing, and I should install kdebase-devel. I'm not finding kdebase-devel in the apt-cache of my hardy chroot. How should I work around that? | 10:01 |
| mhb | you have kdelibs4c2a ? | 10:03 |
| persia | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/43102/ has a build log, in case that helps. | 10:03 |
| mhb | grep tells me kde-config is in there | 10:03 |
| persia | mhb: No (I'm not actually running KDE). Thanks: apt-file wasn't so smart. | 10:03 |
| Hobbsee | kdelibs4-dev (>= 4:3.4.3), kdebase-dev (>= 4:3.4.3) would be where i'd guess | 10:05 |
| persia | mhb: Thanks. That works. Looks like I've a heap of scons errors to chase due to scons wanting all build-dependencies in order to run clean. | 10:05 |
| Hobbsee | the xinelib transition would also be going htru debian, wouldnt it? | 10:06 |
| persia | Hobbsee: Yes, but there was a request to do it quick, in part to test the efficacy of using malone to track transitions. This is a special case, as it's not yet really transition focus time. | 10:06 |
| Hobbsee | ahhh... | 10:07 |
| === allee_ is now known as allee | ||
| Hobbsee | mhb: bigpick sounds *disturbingly* like cimmo in disguise. | 10:10 |
| Hobbsee | and i'm already aware that certain developers tend to avoid cimmo's bugs, as much as possibl.e | 10:10 |
| Hobbsee | impressive lots of dupes, though | 10:11 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: this one is really bad, I can tell from some discussion on my local Czech forums that people are really frustrated by it | 10:11 |
| Hobbsee | i dont doubt that | 10:11 |
| Hobbsee | i would be too, if i hit it. | 10:11 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: jr said rknight of konsole promised to look at it, so I'm kind of happy - the thing that saddened me was the attitude which would definitely be different if it affected Ubuntu | 10:12 |
| Hobbsee | indeed. | 10:12 |
| Hobbsee | kubuntu relies on mostly community people to get things fully fixed. | 10:12 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: this is part of the reason that i'm less inclined to do kubuntu development | 10:15 |
| Hobbsee | when we get hammered like this, for major, critical bugs, which should be fixed, but arent, and would be release blockers... | 10:15 |
| Hobbsee | i start to wonder if it's better to just make ubuntu better, and sideline kubuntu - or at least, give it some of the gtk tools, which actually work. | 10:16 |
| Hobbsee | shame of being a kubuntu developer, somewhat - becuase canonical just isnt giving the resources, yet promoting it as if they do. | 10:16 |
| Hobbsee | when mark was questioned on this kind of stuff, he sidestepped the question, and said that we were getting kde 4, and that wasnt in gnome. | 10:17 |
| Hobbsee | er, in ubuntu | 10:17 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: yeah, I understand that | 10:18 |
| mhb | I have similar thoughts from time to time, too. | 10:18 |
| Hobbsee | at this point, i'm running ubuntu, and i'm thinking of installing the kde4 metapackages when they come out | 10:19 |
| Hobbsee | at least, until canonical actually goes and hires others to get the distro into shape. | 10:19 |
| persia | Hobbsee: Must it be canonical? Would a sufficiency of paid developers not meet your needs? | 10:20 |
| Hobbsee | persia: no, it wouldnt *have* to be canonical. | 10:20 |
| Hobbsee | a sufficiency of paid developers would, but we already have 2 who work on kubuntu as part of their jobs | 10:21 |
| mhb | KDE is still the environment I feel comfortable in, because of the (relatively) high-quality libraries and the KDE people attitude - like GNOME people insisting that the GNOME open dialog is perfect etc. | 10:21 |
| Hobbsee | i havent seen one commit patches recently, and the other ends up committing patches very rarely | 10:21 |
| Hobbsee | persia: if people are wanting to pay some devs, that'd be nice | 10:21 |
| persia | Another question about KDE packaging: what's the best practice to feed the Debian KDE Extras Team? | 10:22 |
| mhb | persia: we'd need a second millionaire to get devs - companies tend not to pay for support and invest into a KDE-based Ubuntu distribution even less | 10:23 |
| persia | mhb: Depends. I know companies that pay the equivalent of a developer salary annually for OS support. Just requires the right people working together. | 10:25 |
| Nightrose | hmm have you thought about making a puplic call for someone to sponsor a developer? I assume people "outside" don't know about the situation | 10:26 |
| Nightrose | if they did maybe they would be willing to pay for one | 10:26 |
| Hobbsee | persia: i'm assuming it's sending a diff to their email | 10:26 |
| mhb | Nightrose: no, we haven't thought about it. | 10:27 |
| mhb | Nightrose: unless Riddell is much against it, we might try and think about it at the next meeting. | 10:27 |
| Nightrose | mhb: then maybe you should ;-) - lot of nice things happened to amarok because of such calls ;-) | 10:27 |
| persia | Hobbsee: OK. I've just never worked with that team, and some teams don't like that sort of thing (especially for 1 line diffs that match existing BTS bugs) | 10:27 |
| Hobbsee | persia: i'm unsure | 10:28 |
| buz | could one get funding from the trolls? i imagine they might like to have a community driven distro that takes kde serious now that suse is in novell land? | 11:02 |
| buz | plus aseigo occasionally posts about that kde on consumer electronics stuff | 11:05 |
| buz | they will need a good distro to base it on | 11:05 |
| jpatrick | I thought we didn't want the trolls.. | 11:06 |
| jpatrick | ;) | 11:06 |
| buz | we dont want the feet | 11:07 |
| buz | (else wed be using ubuntu ;) | 11:07 |
| buz | mozilla seems to get quite some cash from that google deal, maybe something similar could be done | 11:08 |
| mhb | buz: well, provided we had a marketing branch... | 11:17 |
| Serega | Hi, all | 11:17 |
| mhb | hi Serega | 11:17 |
| mhb | it is all a bit complex, what would Canonical say if we actively sought financial help from other parties? | 11:17 |
| mhb | would they allow it? Would they backstab us for that (like dropping Kubuntu from the list of LiveCDs they send, or a similar thing) | 11:18 |
| buz | provided it doesnt affect canonical they'd probably allow it, the uproar it could cause would be too bad to risk | 11:18 |
| Nightrose | mhb: sabdfl at least always says canonical is just one company providing financial support for ubuntu - there could be others as well | 11:18 |
| Nightrose | dunno if that is only marketingspeak to shut up critics though | 11:19 |
| Nightrose | would be your turn to test it ;-) | 11:19 |
| mhb | Riddell should have more information about that, we should ask him | 11:19 |
| Nightrose | yep | 11:20 |
| buz | technically, i dont really see how it hinders canonical if someone else is being paid to work on kubuntu | 11:20 |
| buz | if anything, it helps them | 11:20 |
| buz | besides, from their view, there's hardly a difference between a guy who is being paid and a volunteer? | 11:21 |
| Nightrose | hmm wouldn't say so... | 11:21 |
| Nightrose | there is definitly | 11:21 |
| buz | how | 11:21 |
| * mhb has to go now, see you guys later | 11:21 | |
| mhb | and keep on discussing this .o) | 11:21 |
| Nightrose | well it is someone being paid by another company most likely acting in the interest of that company on certain decissions | 11:22 |
| Nightrose | bye bye mhb ;-) | 11:22 |
| buz | that may be the case | 11:22 |
| buz | however, canonical cant even tell if $randomcontributor is being paid by anyone | 11:22 |
| Nightrose | right | 11:23 |
| Nightrose | not saying the will have a problem with that - just that this might come to their mind | 11:23 |
| buz | it would be a great test to see just how opensource minded canonical really is | 11:23 |
| Nightrose | indeed | 11:23 |
| Serega | mhb: bye | 11:24 |
| buz | truth to be told i'm not entirely sure about it | 11:24 |
| buz | on the other hand, they have done stuff like setting up those entirely free branches | 11:24 |
| Nightrose | hmm | 11:25 |
| buz | if the dev was funded by the community, canonical couldnt do jack | 11:25 |
| Nightrose | hehe | 11:25 |
| buz | not without ruining their image, anyway | 11:26 |
| buz | or maybe one could bundle openwengo and get some money if people use it? | 11:26 |
| buz | it does seem like a decent app | 11:26 |
| Nightrose | tbh the only time I used it it crapped out on me... | 11:27 |
| Nightrose | couldn't even log in | 11:28 |
| buz | weird | 11:28 |
| buz | plus anything that battles skype is good in my book | 11:29 |
| Nightrose | hehe mumble ftw | 11:29 |
| Nightrose | we have been using skype for amarok meetings all the time because all the open stuff just didn't work | 11:29 |
| Nightrose | then we found mumble... ;-) | 11:29 |
| Nightrose | heya apachelogger | 11:30 |
| apachelogger | ahoy Nightrose | 11:31 |
| * apachelogger understands that Nightrose is doing a promo tour for mumble | 11:31 | |
| Nightrose | haha sort of | 11:31 |
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| Nightrose | we have discussed ways to get a sponsored dev for kubuntu and somehow came to openwengo ;-) | 11:32 |
| * leinirlogger loves wengo | 11:33 | |
| leinirlogger | even though it's not working most of the time, and if it does it crashes at some point | 11:34 |
| Nightrose | sure you do *g* | 11:34 |
| leinirlogger | plus it messed my profile up | 11:34 |
| Nightrose | right | 11:34 |
| leinirlogger | still... I like it | 11:34 |
| Nightrose | hehe | 11:34 |
| === leinirlogger is now known as apachelogger | ||
| jpatrick | any core-devs around to help me get a new kmplayer? (merge too) | 11:58 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: i dont think it's canonical's domain. | 12:04 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: the ubuntu foundation owns the trademarks, etc, and has the final say - thru the tech board | 12:05 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: canonical does not appear to be screwing over MOTU by getting more involved - i doubt they would attempt to screw over kubuntu either | 12:06 |
| jpatrick | apachelogger: any packages you want seeing to? :) | 12:32 |
| apachelogger | nope | 12:33 |
| apachelogger | gotta find some 2nd advocates first | 12:33 |
| apachelogger | Mez is somewhat mute lately ;-) | 12:34 |
| jpatrick | tried posting on the ubuntu-motu mailing list? | 12:34 |
| apachelogger | now that sounds like a good idea ;-) | 12:35 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: remind me on doing that before 7pm | 12:35 |
| apachelogger | today is partE again... -.- | 12:35 |
| Nightrose | will do apachelogger | 12:35 |
| begert | anyone know if there is an RSS feed or something to for the commit log of the KDE4 branch? | 13:04 |
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| Nightrose | begert: had a look at http://cia.vc ? | 13:06 |
| apachelogger | begert: you can get mails... http://commitfilter.kde.org/ | 13:06 |
| begert | awesome, thanks guyz | 13:07 |
| apachelogger | jpatrick: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=kopete-plugin-thinklight have fun ;-) | 13:29 |
| jpatrick | apachelogger: mit Lust ;) | 13:33 |
| apachelogger | this doesn't sound right :P | 13:34 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: is it, or is it not? | 13:34 |
| Nightrose | well - it sounds unnatural | 13:34 |
| Nightrose | ;-) | 13:34 |
| jpatrick | with pleasure? :/ | 13:34 |
| Nightrose | mit Vergnügen | 13:34 |
| apachelogger | jpatrick: mit Freude | 13:34 |
| jpatrick | that's joy | 13:34 |
| jpatrick | but, oh well | 13:34 |
| apachelogger | right | 13:35 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose's is better | 13:35 |
| Nightrose | ;-) | 13:35 |
| * apachelogger is bad with languages :P | 13:35 | |
| Nightrose | hehe | 13:35 |
| Nightrose | jpatrick: where are you from if I may ask? | 13:35 |
| apachelogger | speaking far too many but none right :P | 13:35 |
| Nightrose | :-P | 13:36 |
| jpatrick | Nightrose: London | 13:36 |
| Nightrose | ah nice | 13:36 |
| jpatrick | but right now I am located in Spain | 13:36 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/On-Desktop-Logs?content=68923 isn't that what you packaged? just less functional? | 13:37 |
| Nightrose | jep similar - klogshow was the one i did | 13:38 |
| Nightrose | http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KlogShow?content=53460 this one | 13:38 |
| apachelogger | yeah | 13:39 |
| apachelogger | well | 13:39 |
| apachelogger | redundancy-- | 13:39 |
| Nightrose | indeed | 13:39 |
| * apachelogger is going to do such a thing in ruby | 13:39 | |
| Nightrose | hehe | 13:39 |
| apachelogger | so that someone can port it to python then -.- | 13:39 |
| * apachelogger starts repackaging of kirocker | 13:39 | |
| jpatrick | apachelogger: I struggle choosing between Ruby and Python | 13:40 |
| apachelogger | jpatrick: doesn't matter much... Qt bindings seem to be better for python | 13:41 |
| apachelogger | still I find ruby better understandable than python | 13:41 |
| jpatrick | and there's peer pressure from Ubuntu's preference to Python | 13:42 |
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| apachelogger | well, since I got peer pressure from Amarok before I even joined the ubuntu forces... :P | 13:43 |
| Nightrose | peer pressure ftw ;-) | 13:44 |
| Nightrose | naahh not really... | 13:44 |
| apachelogger | jpatrick: 3.99.2 or 3.99+beta2? | 13:45 |
| jpatrick | apachelogger: I'd do 3.98+3.99beta2 personally | 13:45 |
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| apachelogger | ye know, that number is hell confusing :P | 13:46 |
| apachelogger | dpkg really needs better unstanding of pre-release tags | 13:46 |
| jpatrick | oh, right, k3b sees my ogg's as mp3s... | 13:50 |
| jpatrick | apachelogger: long desc exceeds 80 spaces | 13:59 |
| apachelogger | really? Oo | 13:59 |
| jpatrick | the "-e" | 13:59 |
| apachelogger | sort of strange | 14:00 |
| apachelogger | in kate the e is right before the 80 sings marker ligne thingy | 14:00 |
| jpatrick | ah, it's because of the + thing | 14:00 |
| jpatrick | sorry | 14:00 |
| apachelogger | ha :P | 14:01 |
| apachelogger | hooray I broke my kirocker package -.- | 14:01 |
| bddebian | Heya | 14:04 |
| apachelogger | ahoy bddebian | 14:06 |
| bddebian | Hi apachelogger | 14:09 |
| jpatrick | imbrandon: ping? | 14:54 |
| Serega | does anybody know where to get gutsy CD covers preferably in PDF? | 15:59 |
| Serega | I was googling about 2 hours :( | 15:59 |
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| === allee_ is now known as allee | ||
| nixternal | Hobbsee: hardee har har | 16:21 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: :P | 16:22 |
| Riddell | mhb: other companies are welcome to sponsor kubuntu | 16:23 |
| Riddell | Serega: I don't think the artwork is available | 16:23 |
| Serega | :( | 16:23 |
| Riddell | no reason why it couldn't be though | 16:23 |
| Serega | Riddell: I wondered | 16:23 |
| Riddell | I can ask for it next week | 16:24 |
| Serega | I just want to spread downloaded kubuntu in more representative view | 16:24 |
| Serega | Riddell: thanks | 16:24 |
| Riddell | kubuntu.org/art might have old stuff | 16:25 |
| nixternal | Riddell: hahaha, did you see the bug post to the dot? | 16:25 |
| apachelogger | nixternal: considering you have some time, could you please have a look at: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=squash | 16:27 |
| nixternal | apachelogger: I will upload it here after the build...looks good thus far | 16:38 |
| apachelogger | nixternal: thanks :) | 16:39 |
| Riddell | nixternal: nope | 16:45 |
| * Jucato briefly waves to Riddell, nixternal, Hob | 16:48 | |
| Jucato | oh she's gone... | 16:48 |
| seele | no love for seele | 16:48 |
| Jucato | ooh seele!!! :) | 16:48 |
| * Jucato gives B-Blogger seele a virtual hug | 16:49 | |
| seele | lol | 16:49 |
| seele | thanks | 16:49 |
| nixternal | apachelogger: uploaded | 16:52 |
| * Jucato drowns nixternal with his waves | 16:52 | |
| * nixternal is annoyed with PPA FTBS | 16:52 | |
| * nixternal rips off Jucato's hand and waves back with it :p | 16:52 | |
| Jucato | Failed To Build (fro) Source? | 16:52 |
| Jucato | from* | 16:52 |
| Jucato | hehe :) | 16:52 |
| nixternal | you got it | 16:52 |
| Jucato | soyuz? :) | 16:52 |
| nixternal | if that is what is running PPA | 16:53 |
| * Jucato was just guessing... or trying to put the blame on something other than himself | 16:53 | |
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| === jpetso_away is now known as jpetso | ||
| jjesse | HELLLLO | 17:45 |
| jjesse | wow caps lock was on | 17:45 |
| jjesse | sorry bout that | 17:45 |
| nosrednaekim | :D | 17:46 |
| nixternal | howdy from KDE 4! | 17:53 |
| jjesse | yay? | 17:53 |
| jjesse | nixternal: i can't logout of my kde4 session can you? | 17:53 |
| nixternal | ya, we are doing the Krush days for KDE 4 right now...bug squashing | 17:53 |
| jjesse | Krush days? | 17:53 |
| nixternal | I can logout of mine, I can lock it, and I can run KDE 3 and KDE 4 simultaneously | 17:53 |
| jjesse | wow asesome | 17:53 |
| nixternal | ya, it is there version of hug days | 17:54 |
| yuriy | bug in amarok: play song, hit pause, put in a cd and say to play with amarok, amarok continues playing the paused song while populating the playlist and stillsaying it's paused | 17:54 |
| nixternal | yuriy: amarok won't even start up for me now | 17:55 |
| yuriy | nixternal: kde3 | 17:56 |
| yuriy | i wasn't testing, i was just playing a cd | 17:57 |
| yuriy | not quite as far as building amarok 2 yet | 17:57 |
| yuriy | on kdebase now | 17:57 |
| nixternal | oh | 17:57 |
| mhb | evening | 18:11 |
| nosrednaekim | hey mhb | 18:11 |
| jjesse | evening mhb | 18:11 |
| mhb | hi jjesse, has uds ended already? | 18:12 |
| mhb | are you home? | 18:12 |
| jjesse | mhb: yes, and i'm back home | 18:12 |
| jjesse | flew home last night | 18:13 |
| mhb | good to hear | 18:14 |
| jjesse | yeah, it was a great week, learned a lot and met a ton of great people | 18:14 |
| mhb | jjesse: yeah, I wish I was there, too :o( | 18:16 |
| jjesse | don't take me wrong, it is awesome being home, but i had a fun time | 18:17 |
| nixternal | jjesse: so are we planning on anything new this go round? | 18:28 |
| nixternal | I didn't even get a chance to participate online...but then again, probably wasn't much need for me to participate | 18:29 |
| nixternal | man, this kde4artwork upload is taking forever | 18:29 |
| nixternal | and it is obviously hogging what little bandwidth I have right now, as irssi is showing a 2s lag | 18:29 |
| nixternal | Riddell: I see another new package with beta 4...kdebindings | 19:28 |
| nixternal | you want to hit that one up? | 19:28 |
| mhb | any late night topic to chat? | 19:29 |
| nixternal | none that I can think of | 19:29 |
| mhb | Lure: around? | 19:41 |
| Lure | mhb: yep, seen that even new packages do not help you | 19:41 |
| Lure | :-( | 19:42 |
| Lure | not sure what is going on wrong here... | 19:42 |
| Lure | mhb: do you have "battery" button? | 19:42 |
| mhb | I guess I don't | 19:42 |
| mhb | just brightness controls | 19:42 |
| mhb | Lure: no, they don't, but I'd like to do more to help me help you help us all :o) | 19:43 |
| Lure | mhb: I have battery key and it works w/o problem and implementation in kmilo is same as for brightness (just different dcop function) | 19:43 |
| mhb | volume works well, but brightness simply doesn't | 19:44 |
| Lure | mhb: currently I do not have much ideas, maybe _StefanS_ has some | 19:44 |
| Lure | mhb: he did try to fix this just before release and also had problems | 19:44 |
| _StefanS_ | uhm yep. | 19:44 |
| _StefanS_ | it didn't really worked stable enough | 19:44 |
| Lure | _StefanS_: so it worked sometime for you? | 19:45 |
| _StefanS_ | meaning it didnt always react, and when it did it was slow | 19:45 |
| _StefanS_ | yes | 19:45 |
| Lure | strange: I have test binaries in my ppa and all reportes (cca 3-4 of them) claim that it does not work | 19:45 |
| _StefanS_ | I patched the ... cant remember but it was the solution that mhb or you suggested | 19:45 |
| Lure | even though that dcop call itself works for them correctly... | 19:45 |
| Lure | _StefanS_: yep, I did the same for test packages, as I though that your problem might be just dell specifici (kernel issue - there is separate bug for it), but there is more | 19:46 |
| _StefanS_ | I have both a dell and thinkpad, neither worked stable with that patch :( | 19:46 |
| mhb | Lure: where can I get the sources you work on? | 19:54 |
| mhb | I'd like to take a peek into them and see if my l33t sk11lz could help .o) | 19:54 |
| Lure | mhb: sure, you can either get them from my ppa or I can upload debdiff somewhere... | 19:54 |
| mhb | I'll try to get them from the ppa | 19:54 |
| mhb | do you patch both kdelibs and kdebase? | 19:55 |
| Lure | mhb: debdiff is really short, will upload it somewhere | 19:55 |
| mhb | thanks! | 19:55 |
| Lure | mhb: http://muse.19inch.net/~lure/gutsy/kdebase.debdiff | 19:58 |
| Lure | mhb: http://muse.19inch.net/~lure/gutsy/kdeutils.debdiff | 19:58 |
| Lure | mhb: as you can see, it is just copy&paste of battery button code, that work for me | 19:59 |
| mhb | mhm, thanks | 20:09 |
| mhb | D - E - B - U - G ... I like that song :o) | 20:09 |
| mhb | Lure: can I launch kded_kmilod standalone? | 20:11 |
| mhb | it gives me segfaults when I do | 20:11 |
| Lure | mhb: no, but you can kill kded and start it again | 20:11 |
| Lure | mhb: it should not have much side-effects (kwallet primarily and mediamanager) | 20:12 |
| mhb | hmm, I cannot really watch the debug messages, can I? | 20:12 |
| Lure | mhb: it looks like it daemonizes immediately... :-( | 20:13 |
| mhb | Riddell: you even worked on KMilo? You really had fingers in everything :o) | 20:20 |
| Lure | mhb: he is author of kmilo_thinkpad module I think ;-) | 20:22 |
| Lure | mhb: maybe you just need to compile it with debugs (then kdDebug statements would do something) | 20:22 |
| nixternal | is it me, or has compiz-kde become so unreliable | 20:25 |
| fdoving | nixternal: been unreliable for a while.. yeah. | 20:25 |
| fdoving | i'm back at plain kwin, k-w-d crashing on me every now and then is so annoying. | 20:26 |
| nixternal | man, it either a) locks up, b) crashes back out to kdm, c) doesn't allow apps to startup, d) puts all kinds of little windows up (adept_update and klipper) | 20:26 |
| fdoving | yeah. | 20:28 |
| mhb | Lure: strange, kmilo segfaults on my computer when I compiled it myself | 20:34 |
| mhb | [ 1961.782026] kded_kmilod[26092]: segfault at 0000000000000001 rip 0000000000000001 rsp 00007fff53d1f368 error 14 | 20:34 |
| Lure | mhb: that is strange... do you build in pbuilder? | 20:35 |
| mhb | Lure: no, I build it like the old cavemen did, via configure/make/make install | 20:35 |
| Lure | mhb: did you apply all patches from debian/patches? | 20:35 |
| mhb | ah, forgot that | 20:36 |
| crimsun_ | hmm. | 20:41 |
| crimsun_ | I've searched Launchpad, but I can't find anything useful regarding a "could not start kstartupconfig" error in Kubuntu 7.10 | 20:41 |
| jpatrick | I think that's cos of a PATH error | 20:42 |
| crimsun_ | jpatrick: any additional detail available? | 20:42 |
| * jpatrick got it when he misconfigured his brothers accounts on their computer | 20:42 | |
| jpatrick | crimsun_: check the users $PATH basically | 20:43 |
| crimsun_ | ok, I'll relay. Thanks. | 20:43 |
| jpatrick | crimsun_: oh yeah, and the groups they're in | 20:44 |
| nixternal | only a couple of more packages to go for beta 4 | 20:44 |
| jpatrick | crimsun_: just doing "useradd" and logging in to KDE, doesn't work, they have to be at least in the default groups | 20:45 |
| mhb | Lure: I can't really compile a thing :o) your kdebase fails patching at some freebsd (?) patch, and I can't build kdeutils - some crazy error with ld returning error status | 20:49 |
| mhb | :-( | 20:49 |
| mhb | kmilod still keeps segfaulting here | 20:49 |
| Lure | mhb: you do not need to patch kdebase -> only change is text file you can do in place on your system or even with simple: xmodmap -e 'keycode 101 = XF86Launch2' | 20:50 |
| Lure | mhb: you just need to compile kmilo | 20:50 |
| Lure | mhb: what is error on kdeutils - can you paste? | 20:51 |
| mhb | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/43169/plain/ | 20:52 |
| Lure | mhb: that is strange... :-( | 20:53 |
| mhb | yeah, no sane error message | 20:57 |
| mhb | I'll try reconfiguring | 20:57 |
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| mhb | Lure: now I managed to build it | 21:33 |
| mhb | Lure: but kmilo still segfaults at kded restart | 21:36 |
| nixternal | KOffice 2 is looking sharp | 21:39 |
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| mhb | by the way, thanks to those invisible "great new" theme upgrades in GMail, Konqueror doesn't work with it yet again | 21:45 |
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| === bddebian2 is now known as bddebian | ||
| toma | hi, i'm receiving kde build failures in my mailbox, but i'm not really interested in them. can i turn that off? | 22:40 |
| mhb | toma: filter them? I think the whole team gets them, not sure if it can be turned off by individuals. | 22:42 |
| toma | mhb: ah it goes to the team | 22:43 |
| mhb | I just disregard them, an extra email never hurt my inbox :o) | 22:43 |
| toma | mhb: I'm not active anymore, so it might be better to leave that team, or something in between | 22:46 |
| toma | can i be inactive or something? | 22:47 |
| mhb | I don't really know LP details that much | 22:48 |
| mhb | sorry | 22:48 |
| toma | np, i left the team | 22:49 |
| toma | i'll re-apply when needed ;-) | 22:49 |
| mhb | another developer left us... :-( | 22:53 |
| nixternal | hey toma, I have a feeling that mailody may disappear from the repos now :p | 22:56 |
| * nixternal wonders if you are sick and tired of that joke already from me :) | 22:56 | |
| nixternal | hey toma, speaking of mailody, how is looking for kde 4? | 22:57 |
| toma | not at all, actually i wanted to ask why it would be removed ;-) | 22:57 |
| toma | so you got me again ;-) | 22:57 |
| nixternal | hehe | 22:57 |
| toma | please dont ask about mailody4 | 22:57 |
| nixternal | I think I have you now threatened with mailody removal in kubuntu, debian, and kde | 22:57 |
| nixternal | I might have to slip over to mandriva next to threaten you there :p | 22:57 |
| toma | nixternal: actually, i'm at moment entering a bug report at mandriva to ask for inclusion | 22:58 |
| toma | nixternal: are you reading my mind again? | 22:58 |
| nixternal | haha | 22:58 |
| nixternal | no, but I know where you were heading :) | 22:58 |
| toma | i can't seem to keep secrets with you | 22:59 |
| nixternal | lol | 22:59 |
| nixternal | well I can tell you this, a lot of my buddies that use IMAP, are using Mailody | 22:59 |
| nixternal | even on Gnome and Xfce | 22:59 |
| toma | are they? | 23:00 |
| toma | cool. | 23:00 |
| nixternal | ya, they either aren't happy with kmail and IMAP or evolution and IMAP | 23:00 |
| toma | kmail and imap is not very popular nowadays | 23:00 |
| nixternal | I had seen rumors flying about it possibly one day replacing kmail | 23:02 |
| toma | yeah, i keep calling them silly, but they still popup regularry | 23:03 |
| toma | how - in gods name - can it replace kmail? It lacks functions - and most of all POP support | 23:03 |
| nixternal | ya, they say when it gets the pop support it is on :) | 23:04 |
| toma | no, it will not replace kmail ever | 23:04 |
| toma | kmail will stay for a while | 23:05 |
| toma | anyhow, the discussion is useless anyway, everyone can use what he wants | 23:05 |
| nixternal | would be nice to see mailody in Kontact though | 23:05 |
| nixternal | exactly | 23:05 |
| toma | i have seen mailody in kontact ;-) | 23:06 |
| nixternal | oh | 23:06 |
| nixternal | that would make it the cat's meow for sure | 23:06 |
| toma | and i deleted it again | 23:06 |
| toma | it had so much bugs that i needed a couple of months to fix it (or kontact). | 23:07 |
| toma | when there are more devels i might try again | 23:07 |
| toma | for kde4 the code is cleaner, so it might be easier | 23:07 |
| nixternal | once I get some of these personal tasks complete, I will hop back on a little more | 23:08 |
| mhb | nixternal: I need your opinion, can I PM? | 23:08 |
| nixternal | mhb: sure...give me a couple of minutes...I need to help the neighbor | 23:08 |
| toma | currently the development has stopped, i've no motivation | 23:08 |
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