| KidProQuo | :-S | 00:06 |
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| KidProQuo | Where do we begin fixing that.... | 00:07 |
| Viper550 | he says that he and kwii will be announcing something next week | 00:07 |
| Viper550 | http://bay01.imagebay.com/_upload/img/23/gobuntugreenwip.jpg | 00:08 |
| KidProQuo | ok, I'll keep a look out. | 00:08 |
| Viper550 | like it? | 00:09 |
| KidProQuo | It's a start | 00:10 |
| Viper550 | much better than his "offical" proposal | 00:10 |
| KidProQuo | yeah, well that was a given | 00:10 |
| Viper550 | he thinks that I shouldn't be "wast[ing] time duplicating effort" | 00:11 |
| Viper550 | also like my green/black tango icons? | 00:12 |
| KidProQuo | I'm not really a fan of tango to be honest | 00:13 |
| Viper550 | I just didn't want the icons for now to be blue or orange | 00:14 |
| KidProQuo | we do want to avoid this kind of problem with our icons though: http://www.thinkgos.com/ | 00:14 |
| KidProQuo | the icons in the top corner of the screen-shot almost dissapear because they're so similar in colour to the background | 00:15 |
| Viper550 | the wall is just temporary, okay? | 00:16 |
| KidProQuo | ok. | 00:16 |
| KidProQuo | Like i said earlier... I think your city idea earlier has a lot of potential | 00:17 |
| Viper550 | hey hbons | 00:56 |
| hbons | hello Viper550 | 00:57 |
| Viper550 | worked on this for gobuntu http://bay01.imagebay.com/_upload/img/23/gobuntugreenwip.jpg | 00:57 |
| hbons | looks great | 01:00 |
| hbons | you know that that house is a CC licensed icon?:) | 01:01 |
| Viper550 | it's tango | 01:08 |
| hbons | it is, but isn't gobuntu about GPL only packages? | 01:11 |
| hbons | or am i wrong | 01:11 |
| Viper550 | wrong. Gobuntu is Free Software Only. | 01:12 |
| Viper550 | no unfree drivers, no "proper" Firefox, no Mono | 01:13 |
| hbons | ok | 01:14 |
| Viper550 | better than their "offical" plans http://birdhouse.org/~mnep/gobuntu.png | 01:18 |
| hbons | yeah, much better | 01:20 |
| hbons | that looks like a OS from ten years back | 01:20 |
| Viper550 | mine's better, and that looks like uninspired crap | 01:21 |
| Viper550 | hey | 01:32 |
| KidProQuo | hey Viper550 | 04:13 |
| woodwizzle | Is it possible to change the colors of certain elements in a gtkrc file? | 17:53 |
| woodwizzle | for instance the sliders? | 17:54 |
| nysosym | hi there | 19:20 |
| hbons | hello | 19:21 |
| nysosym | what are the results of the last meeting? | 19:21 |
| nysosym | hi hbons | 19:21 |
| hbons | don't know wasn't there | 19:22 |
| nysosym | shame on you ;) | 19:22 |
| nysosym | i have seen something about a new gtk theme, with a new color palette? | 19:27 |
| thorwil | nysosym: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/HardyDesign | 19:29 |
| nysosym | hardy will get a new color palette? | 19:29 |
| nothlit | no new palette yet, right now its more like a reduced oxygen swatch across the colour spectrum | 19:29 |
| nothlit | gtk theme will be dark | 19:29 |
| nothlit | hardy is supposed to be orange (with shift to red) and black | 19:30 |
| nysosym | is this fixed with a dark gtk theme? | 19:30 |
| nysosym | black and orange sounds nice | 19:31 |
| nysosym | but maybe hard to read, for humans is it much better to read black text on a white or something like white background | 19:43 |
| troy_s | nysosym: Read the Digg comments. | 19:43 |
| hbons | doesn't mean the widgets have to be black | 19:44 |
| nysosym | the beste background color is a beige/bright orange background | 19:44 |
| troy_s | There is no best. | 19:44 |
| nysosym | that's smooth for the the eyes and not so stressfull | 19:44 |
| hbons | so is blue | 19:44 |
| hbons | and black | 19:45 |
| nysosym | but from the design point, black looks only beautiful | 19:45 |
| troy_s | Again, time and time again research has proven those claims to be utterly false. | 19:45 |
| hbons | and black saves energy:) | 19:45 |
| nothlit | black is quite negligible for LCDs | 19:45 |
| troy_s | The American Medical Association has clearly stated that colour psychology is a bunk myth, among other top researchers. | 19:45 |
| thorwil | troy_s, including red = warm, blue = cold? | 19:47 |
| nysosym | a truly red is in that way not a alert color? | 19:47 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Well considering that yes, that is exactly the opposite of the actual colour temperature. | 19:47 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Colour is tightly bound to context. | 19:47 |
| troy_s | nysosym: And no... a simple comparison around the world regarding traffic sign colours will reveal that statement to be incorrect. | 19:48 |
| troy_s | nysosym: Certainly there are trends that people might follow, but again -- that falls into the "context" | 19:48 |
| thorwil | troy_s, what you are claiming is against anything i ever heared or read | 19:48 |
| troy_s | thorwil: That's nice. Go study art. | 19:48 |
| thorwil | troy_s, i did something close to that | 19:48 |
| troy_s | thorwil: You certainly can paint a scene to a 'cooler' tone etc., being a blue. But say for example, you were painting a blue white torch -- same connection. | 19:49 |
| nysosym | i think red is an eyecatcher in EVERY "context" | 19:49 |
| troy_s | thorwil: In the end, it is rather more about context than pure colour 'meaning' | 19:49 |
| hbons | wether color psychology is true or not, there are colors that are liked more | 19:49 |
| thorwil | troy_s, maybe we don't disagree but just level things differently | 19:50 |
| troy_s | thorwil: I just get tired of hearing the same misinformation flogged about in our FOSS crowd. | 19:50 |
| troy_s | thorwil: A good chunk of what people 'believe' is contextual -- related to the time, the design patterns around, trends, fads, etc. | 19:50 |
| thorwil | troy_s, everything is contextual. that doesn't help one bit | 19:51 |
| hbons | and what orange/red/yellow meaning danger, like poisonous creatures like bees, is that grounded? | 19:51 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Ugh. | 19:51 |
| nothlit | that has a context as well | 19:51 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Well _that_ is reality. If people choose to live outside of it, I can't help that. | 19:51 |
| troy_s | hbons: Then dish detergent makers would be in a tight fit. | 19:53 |
| troy_s | hbons: No one would be buying those golden yellow tubs of liquid. | 19:53 |
| hbons | true | 19:53 |
| nothlit | poisonous markings come in all hues btw | 19:54 |
| hbons | and what about blue? people don't like eating blue food | 19:54 |
| thorwil | except blueberry | 19:54 |
| hbons | blueberry are more towards purple, i think | 19:54 |
| thorwil | wrong translation. blackberry :) | 19:55 |
| nothlit | those all have contexts like, evolutionary, survival, food etc | 19:56 |
| thorwil | well, anyway the few eatable things that are blue are ok | 19:56 |
| thorwil | the problem is food with the wrong colour. like green bread or blue bananas | 19:57 |
| hbons | aha, ok | 19:57 |
| hbons | interesting | 19:57 |
| troy_s | hbons: Blueberries? | 19:57 |
| troy_s | hbons: I love them. | 19:57 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Darn you -- you beat me to it :) | 19:57 |
| troy_s | thorwil: And what about Green Eggs and Ham!??!?!! | 19:58 |
| thorwil | *shrug* | 19:58 |
| troy_s | On a real side note, even visual 'illusions' are cultural based. | 19:59 |
| troy_s | Let me look up a link... | 19:59 |
| thorwil | ugh: http://blog.firstbook.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/minty_looking_eggs.jpg | 20:00 |
| hbons | just read | 20:00 |
| hbons | http://architectfantasy.com/?p=1 | 20:00 |
| nysosym | i think this is regardless, people are arranged with the fact, that red is a warning color, that green is a lucky color, blue.... . We shouldn't try to change the meaning of colors for peoples. We can't say green is the new warning color, because colour psychology is a myst.... | 20:00 |
| hbons | has some intereisting points abbout ubuntu | 20:01 |
| nysosym | we should try to make the best for the people and not the best for the theoretical science | 20:02 |
| troy_s | <nysosym> i think this is regardless, people are arranged with the fact, that red is a warning color, that green is a lucky color, blue.... . We shouldn't try to change the meaning of colors for peoples. We can't say green is the new warning color, because colour psychology is a myst.... | 20:02 |
| troy_s | and just that has issuse with the statement. | 20:03 |
| hbons | agreed, it's a fact most men like blue, so... go blue!:P | 20:03 |
| troy_s | in the end, and especially with colour -- it is a dynamic and nebulous area that is dictated by contemporary trends. | 20:03 |
| thorwil | if i now don't say red = warm, but red is _currently_ considered a warm colour (in most of the western world?) ... did we win much? | 20:05 |
| troy_s | thorwil: It probably speaks more to the 'don't make stupid assumptions' and 'don't make stupid decisions based on bunk colour psychology' | 20:05 |
| troy_s | thorwil: I am all +1 for simply seeing something innovative. Use a simple colour chord and play it. | 20:06 |
| * troy_s outs. | 20:07 | |
| nysosym | OSX for example with the imitation of traffic lights for close windows (red) minimize them (yellow) and make the window bigger (green). Now i should get the fact, that other cultures don't get the meaning of these colors, but they click and see what happens? I have tried this with my little cousin (he is 14 months old) and he gets the fact that he shouldn't press the red button, because it's "bad". | 20:21 |
| nothlit | no one denies that there are cultural _contexts_ for colour, the point troy was trying to make is that there are no universal truths in this regard | 20:22 |
| nysosym | nothlit: fine ok, but where is the solution a color theme for every kind of culture? | 20:23 |
| nothlit | there is no magical solution | 20:25 |
| nothlit | you pick an audience, do your best and run with it | 20:25 |
| nysosym | ok, that's what everyone do :D | 20:28 |
| nysosym | but i think you'll agree that black text on white ground is much easier to read, as the opposite? | 20:29 |
| thorwil | nysosym, the studies i know of say no. allthough bright text on dark grounds tends to need more spacing. but people are more used to dark on bright | 20:32 |
| nothlit | well, don't some accessibility features invert the colours? :P | 20:32 |
| thorwil | nysosym, and websites will not switch to inverse for ubuntu ... | 20:33 |
| thorwil | nothlit, i once saw someone using a special ... viewing machine to read papers. it showed everything enlarged in green on black. for me it was easier to read the original ... | 20:35 |
| thorwil | but then again, i could read the monitor from several meters distance :) | 20:36 |
| nysosym | yes, that's what i mean. we shouldn't use sooo much areas with a black ground, the theme should be 60-70% white (or much brighter than black) and the rest could be black | 20:37 |
| nysosym | i think vista goes a good way to use the maximum of black in a gui. A good combination of white and black | 20:37 |
| hbons | what i think vista does right are the dark borders | 20:41 |
| hbons | in clearlooks for example it's all white, harder to distinct windows drom eachother | 20:42 |
| hbons | and the focus goes on the content, instead of the window border | 20:44 |
| woodwizzle | Hi all | 23:13 |
| woodwizzle | ;-( Shame it's always so dead in here | 23:13 |
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