[00:06] <KidProQuo> :-S
[00:07] <KidProQuo> Where do we begin fixing that....
[00:07] <Viper550> he says that he and kwii will be announcing something next week
[00:08] <Viper550> http://bay01.imagebay.com/_upload/img/23/gobuntugreenwip.jpg
[00:08] <KidProQuo> ok, I'll keep a look out.
[00:09] <Viper550> like it?
[00:10] <KidProQuo> It's a start
[00:10] <Viper550> much better than his "offical" proposal
[00:10] <KidProQuo> yeah, well that was a given
[00:11] <Viper550> he thinks that I shouldn't be "wast[ing] time duplicating effort"
[00:12] <Viper550> also like my green/black tango icons?
[00:13] <KidProQuo> I'm not really a fan of tango to be honest
[00:14] <Viper550> I just didn't want the icons for now to be blue or orange
[00:14] <KidProQuo> we do want to avoid this kind of problem with our icons though: http://www.thinkgos.com/
[00:15] <KidProQuo> the icons in the top corner of the screen-shot almost dissapear because they're so similar in colour to the background
[00:16] <Viper550> the wall is just temporary, okay?
[00:16] <KidProQuo> ok.
[00:17] <KidProQuo> Like i said earlier... I think your city idea earlier has a lot of potential
[00:56] <Viper550> hey hbons
[00:57] <hbons> hello Viper550
[00:57] <Viper550> worked on this for gobuntu http://bay01.imagebay.com/_upload/img/23/gobuntugreenwip.jpg
[01:00] <hbons> looks great
[01:01] <hbons> you know that that house is a CC licensed icon?:)
[01:08] <Viper550> it's tango
[01:11] <hbons> it is, but isn't gobuntu about GPL only packages?
[01:11] <hbons> or am i wrong
[01:12] <Viper550> wrong. Gobuntu is Free Software Only.
[01:13] <Viper550> no unfree drivers, no "proper" Firefox, no Mono
[01:14] <hbons> ok
[01:18] <Viper550> better than their "offical" plans http://birdhouse.org/~mnep/gobuntu.png
[01:20] <hbons> yeah, much better
[01:20] <hbons> that looks like a OS from ten years back
[01:21] <Viper550> mine's better, and that looks like uninspired crap
[01:32] <Viper550> hey
[04:13] <KidProQuo> hey Viper550
[17:53] <woodwizzle> Is it possible to change the colors of certain elements in a gtkrc file?
[17:54] <woodwizzle> for instance the sliders?
[19:20] <nysosym> hi there
[19:21] <hbons> hello
[19:21] <nysosym> what are the results of the last meeting?
[19:21] <nysosym> hi hbons
[19:22] <hbons> don't know wasn't there
[19:22] <nysosym> shame on you ;)
[19:27] <nysosym> i have seen something about a new gtk theme, with a new color palette?
[19:29] <thorwil> nysosym: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/HardyDesign
[19:29] <nysosym> hardy will get a new color palette?
[19:29] <nothlit> no new palette yet, right now its more like a reduced oxygen swatch across the colour spectrum
[19:29] <nothlit> gtk theme will be dark
[19:30] <nothlit> hardy is supposed to be orange (with shift to red) and black
[19:30] <nysosym> is this fixed with a dark gtk theme?
[19:31] <nysosym> black and orange sounds nice
[19:43] <nysosym> but maybe hard to read, for humans is it much better to read black text on a white or something like white background
[19:43] <troy_s> nysosym: Read the Digg comments.
[19:44] <hbons> doesn't mean the widgets have to be black
[19:44] <nysosym> the beste background color is a beige/bright orange background
[19:44] <troy_s> There is no best.
[19:44] <nysosym> that's smooth for the the eyes and not so stressfull
[19:44] <hbons> so is blue
[19:45] <hbons> and black
[19:45] <nysosym> but from the design point, black looks only beautiful
[19:45] <troy_s> Again, time and time again research has proven those claims to be utterly false.
[19:45] <hbons> and black saves energy:)
[19:45] <nothlit> black is quite negligible for LCDs
[19:45] <troy_s> The American Medical Association has clearly stated that colour psychology is a bunk myth, among other top researchers.
[19:47] <thorwil> troy_s, including red = warm, blue = cold?
[19:47] <nysosym> a truly red is in that way not a alert color?
[19:47] <troy_s> thorwil: Well considering that yes, that is exactly the opposite of the actual colour temperature.
[19:47] <troy_s> thorwil: Colour is tightly bound to context.
[19:48] <troy_s> nysosym: And no... a simple comparison around the world regarding traffic sign colours will reveal that statement to be incorrect.
[19:48] <troy_s> nysosym: Certainly there are trends that people might follow, but again -- that falls into the "context"
[19:48] <thorwil> troy_s, what you are claiming is against anything i ever heared or read
[19:48] <troy_s> thorwil: That's nice.  Go study art.
[19:48] <thorwil> troy_s, i did something close to that
[19:49] <troy_s> thorwil: You certainly can paint a scene to a 'cooler' tone etc., being a blue.  But say for example, you were painting a blue white torch -- same connection.
[19:49] <nysosym> i think red is an eyecatcher in EVERY "context"
[19:49] <troy_s> thorwil: In the end, it is rather more about context than pure colour 'meaning'
[19:49] <hbons> wether color psychology is true or not, there are colors that are liked more
[19:50] <thorwil> troy_s, maybe we don't disagree but just level things differently
[19:50] <troy_s> thorwil: I just get tired of hearing the same misinformation flogged about in our FOSS crowd.
[19:50] <troy_s> thorwil: A good chunk of what people 'believe' is contextual -- related to the time, the design patterns around, trends, fads, etc.
[19:51] <thorwil> troy_s, everything is contextual. that doesn't help one bit
[19:51] <hbons> and what orange/red/yellow meaning danger, like poisonous creatures like bees, is that grounded?
[19:51] <troy_s> thorwil: Ugh.
[19:51] <nothlit> that has a context as well
[19:51] <troy_s> thorwil: Well _that_ is reality.  If people choose to live outside of it, I can't help that.
[19:53] <troy_s> hbons: Then dish detergent makers would be in a tight fit.
[19:53] <troy_s> hbons: No one would be buying those golden yellow tubs of liquid.
[19:53] <hbons> true
[19:54] <nothlit> poisonous markings come in all hues btw
[19:54] <hbons> and what about blue? people don't like eating blue food
[19:54] <thorwil> except blueberry
[19:54] <hbons> blueberry are more towards purple, i think
[19:55] <thorwil> wrong translation. blackberry :)
[19:56] <nothlit> those all have contexts like, evolutionary, survival, food etc
[19:56] <thorwil> well, anyway the few eatable things that are blue are ok
[19:57] <thorwil> the problem is food with the wrong colour. like green bread or blue bananas
[19:57] <hbons> aha, ok
[19:57] <hbons> interesting
[19:57] <troy_s> hbons: Blueberries?
[19:57] <troy_s> hbons: I love them.
[19:57] <troy_s> thorwil: Darn you -- you beat me to it :)
[19:58] <troy_s> thorwil: And what about Green Eggs and Ham!??!?!!
[19:58] <thorwil> *shrug*
[19:59] <troy_s> On a real side note, even visual 'illusions' are cultural based.
[19:59] <troy_s> Let me look up a link...
[20:00] <thorwil> ugh: http://blog.firstbook.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/minty_looking_eggs.jpg
[20:00] <hbons> just read
[20:00] <hbons> http://architectfantasy.com/?p=1
[20:00] <nysosym> i think this is regardless, people are arranged with the fact, that red is a warning color, that green is a lucky color, blue.... . We shouldn't try to change the meaning of colors for peoples. We can't say green is the new warning color, because colour psychology is a myst....
[20:01] <hbons> has some intereisting points abbout ubuntu
[20:02] <nysosym> we should try to make the best for the people and not the best for the theoretical science
 i think this is regardless, people are arranged with the fact, that red is a warning color, that green is a lucky color, blue.... . We shouldn't try to change the meaning of colors for peoples. We can't say green is the new warning color, because colour psychology is a myst....
[20:03] <troy_s> and just that has issuse with the statement.
[20:03] <hbons> agreed, it's a fact most men like blue, so... go blue!:P
[20:03] <troy_s> in the end, and especially with colour -- it is a dynamic and nebulous area that is dictated by contemporary trends.
[20:05] <thorwil> if i now don't say red = warm, but red is _currently_ considered a warm colour (in most of the western world?) ... did we win much?
[20:05] <troy_s> thorwil: It probably speaks more to the 'don't make stupid assumptions' and 'don't make stupid decisions based on bunk colour psychology'
[20:06] <troy_s> thorwil: I am all +1 for simply seeing something innovative.  Use a simple colour chord and play it.
[20:07]  * troy_s outs.
[20:21] <nysosym> OSX for example with the imitation of traffic lights for close windows (red) minimize them (yellow) and make the window bigger (green). Now i should get the fact, that other cultures don't get the meaning of these colors, but they click and see what happens? I have tried this with my little cousin (he is 14 months old) and he gets the fact that he shouldn't press the red button, because it's "bad".
[20:22] <nothlit> no one denies that there are cultural _contexts_ for colour, the point troy was trying to make is that there are no universal truths in this regard
[20:23] <nysosym> nothlit: fine ok, but where is the solution a color theme for every kind of culture?
[20:25] <nothlit> there is no magical solution
[20:25] <nothlit> you pick an audience, do your best and run with it
[20:28] <nysosym> ok, that's what everyone do :D
[20:29] <nysosym> but i think you'll agree that black text on white ground is much easier to read, as the opposite?
[20:32] <thorwil> nysosym, the studies i know of say no. allthough bright text on dark grounds tends to need more spacing. but people are more used to dark on bright
[20:32] <nothlit> well, don't some accessibility features invert the colours? :P
[20:33] <thorwil> nysosym, and websites will not switch to inverse for ubuntu ...
[20:35] <thorwil> nothlit, i once saw someone using a special ... viewing machine to read papers. it showed everything enlarged in green on black. for me it was easier to read the original ...
[20:36] <thorwil> but then again, i could read the monitor from several meters distance :)
[20:37] <nysosym> yes, that's what i mean. we shouldn't use sooo much areas with a black ground, the theme should be 60-70% white (or much brighter than black) and the rest could be black
[20:37] <nysosym> i think vista goes a good way to use the maximum of black in a gui. A good combination of white and black
[20:41] <hbons> what i think vista does right are the dark borders
[20:42] <hbons> in clearlooks for example it's all white, harder to distinct windows drom eachother
[20:44] <hbons> and the focus goes on the content, instead of the window border
[23:13] <woodwizzle> Hi all
[23:13] <woodwizzle> ;-( Shame it's always so dead in here