[00:06] :-S [00:07] Where do we begin fixing that.... [00:07] he says that he and kwii will be announcing something next week [00:08] http://bay01.imagebay.com/_upload/img/23/gobuntugreenwip.jpg [00:08] ok, I'll keep a look out. [00:09] like it? [00:10] It's a start [00:10] much better than his "offical" proposal [00:10] yeah, well that was a given [00:11] he thinks that I shouldn't be "wast[ing] time duplicating effort" [00:12] also like my green/black tango icons? [00:13] I'm not really a fan of tango to be honest [00:14] I just didn't want the icons for now to be blue or orange [00:14] we do want to avoid this kind of problem with our icons though: http://www.thinkgos.com/ [00:15] the icons in the top corner of the screen-shot almost dissapear because they're so similar in colour to the background [00:16] the wall is just temporary, okay? [00:16] ok. [00:17] Like i said earlier... I think your city idea earlier has a lot of potential [00:56] hey hbons [00:57] hello Viper550 [00:57] worked on this for gobuntu http://bay01.imagebay.com/_upload/img/23/gobuntugreenwip.jpg [01:00] looks great [01:01] you know that that house is a CC licensed icon?:) [01:08] it's tango [01:11] it is, but isn't gobuntu about GPL only packages? [01:11] or am i wrong [01:12] wrong. Gobuntu is Free Software Only. [01:13] no unfree drivers, no "proper" Firefox, no Mono [01:14] ok [01:18] better than their "offical" plans http://birdhouse.org/~mnep/gobuntu.png [01:20] yeah, much better [01:20] that looks like a OS from ten years back [01:21] mine's better, and that looks like uninspired crap [01:32] hey [04:13] hey Viper550 [17:53] Is it possible to change the colors of certain elements in a gtkrc file? [17:54] for instance the sliders? [19:20] hi there [19:21] hello [19:21] what are the results of the last meeting? [19:21] hi hbons [19:22] don't know wasn't there [19:22] shame on you ;) [19:27] i have seen something about a new gtk theme, with a new color palette? [19:29] nysosym: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/HardyDesign [19:29] hardy will get a new color palette? [19:29] no new palette yet, right now its more like a reduced oxygen swatch across the colour spectrum [19:29] gtk theme will be dark [19:30] hardy is supposed to be orange (with shift to red) and black [19:30] is this fixed with a dark gtk theme? [19:31] black and orange sounds nice [19:43] but maybe hard to read, for humans is it much better to read black text on a white or something like white background [19:43] nysosym: Read the Digg comments. [19:44] doesn't mean the widgets have to be black [19:44] the beste background color is a beige/bright orange background [19:44] There is no best. [19:44] that's smooth for the the eyes and not so stressfull [19:44] so is blue [19:45] and black [19:45] but from the design point, black looks only beautiful [19:45] Again, time and time again research has proven those claims to be utterly false. [19:45] and black saves energy:) [19:45] black is quite negligible for LCDs [19:45] The American Medical Association has clearly stated that colour psychology is a bunk myth, among other top researchers. [19:47] troy_s, including red = warm, blue = cold? [19:47] a truly red is in that way not a alert color? [19:47] thorwil: Well considering that yes, that is exactly the opposite of the actual colour temperature. [19:47] thorwil: Colour is tightly bound to context. [19:48] nysosym: And no... a simple comparison around the world regarding traffic sign colours will reveal that statement to be incorrect. [19:48] nysosym: Certainly there are trends that people might follow, but again -- that falls into the "context" [19:48] troy_s, what you are claiming is against anything i ever heared or read [19:48] thorwil: That's nice. Go study art. [19:48] troy_s, i did something close to that [19:49] thorwil: You certainly can paint a scene to a 'cooler' tone etc., being a blue. But say for example, you were painting a blue white torch -- same connection. [19:49] i think red is an eyecatcher in EVERY "context" [19:49] thorwil: In the end, it is rather more about context than pure colour 'meaning' [19:49] wether color psychology is true or not, there are colors that are liked more [19:50] troy_s, maybe we don't disagree but just level things differently [19:50] thorwil: I just get tired of hearing the same misinformation flogged about in our FOSS crowd. [19:50] thorwil: A good chunk of what people 'believe' is contextual -- related to the time, the design patterns around, trends, fads, etc. [19:51] troy_s, everything is contextual. that doesn't help one bit [19:51] and what orange/red/yellow meaning danger, like poisonous creatures like bees, is that grounded? [19:51] thorwil: Ugh. [19:51] that has a context as well [19:51] thorwil: Well _that_ is reality. If people choose to live outside of it, I can't help that. [19:53] hbons: Then dish detergent makers would be in a tight fit. [19:53] hbons: No one would be buying those golden yellow tubs of liquid. [19:53] true [19:54] poisonous markings come in all hues btw [19:54] and what about blue? people don't like eating blue food [19:54] except blueberry [19:54] blueberry are more towards purple, i think [19:55] wrong translation. blackberry :) [19:56] those all have contexts like, evolutionary, survival, food etc [19:56] well, anyway the few eatable things that are blue are ok [19:57] the problem is food with the wrong colour. like green bread or blue bananas [19:57] aha, ok [19:57] interesting [19:57] hbons: Blueberries? [19:57] hbons: I love them. [19:57] thorwil: Darn you -- you beat me to it :) [19:58] thorwil: And what about Green Eggs and Ham!??!?!! [19:58] *shrug* [19:59] On a real side note, even visual 'illusions' are cultural based. [19:59] Let me look up a link... [20:00] ugh: http://blog.firstbook.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/minty_looking_eggs.jpg [20:00] just read [20:00] http://architectfantasy.com/?p=1 [20:00] i think this is regardless, people are arranged with the fact, that red is a warning color, that green is a lucky color, blue.... . We shouldn't try to change the meaning of colors for peoples. We can't say green is the new warning color, because colour psychology is a myst.... [20:01] has some intereisting points abbout ubuntu [20:02] we should try to make the best for the people and not the best for the theoretical science [20:02] i think this is regardless, people are arranged with the fact, that red is a warning color, that green is a lucky color, blue.... . We shouldn't try to change the meaning of colors for peoples. We can't say green is the new warning color, because colour psychology is a myst.... [20:03] and just that has issuse with the statement. [20:03] agreed, it's a fact most men like blue, so... go blue!:P [20:03] in the end, and especially with colour -- it is a dynamic and nebulous area that is dictated by contemporary trends. [20:05] if i now don't say red = warm, but red is _currently_ considered a warm colour (in most of the western world?) ... did we win much? [20:05] thorwil: It probably speaks more to the 'don't make stupid assumptions' and 'don't make stupid decisions based on bunk colour psychology' [20:06] thorwil: I am all +1 for simply seeing something innovative. Use a simple colour chord and play it. [20:07] * troy_s outs. [20:21] OSX for example with the imitation of traffic lights for close windows (red) minimize them (yellow) and make the window bigger (green). Now i should get the fact, that other cultures don't get the meaning of these colors, but they click and see what happens? I have tried this with my little cousin (he is 14 months old) and he gets the fact that he shouldn't press the red button, because it's "bad". [20:22] no one denies that there are cultural _contexts_ for colour, the point troy was trying to make is that there are no universal truths in this regard [20:23] nothlit: fine ok, but where is the solution a color theme for every kind of culture? [20:25] there is no magical solution [20:25] you pick an audience, do your best and run with it [20:28] ok, that's what everyone do :D [20:29] but i think you'll agree that black text on white ground is much easier to read, as the opposite? [20:32] nysosym, the studies i know of say no. allthough bright text on dark grounds tends to need more spacing. but people are more used to dark on bright [20:32] well, don't some accessibility features invert the colours? :P [20:33] nysosym, and websites will not switch to inverse for ubuntu ... [20:35] nothlit, i once saw someone using a special ... viewing machine to read papers. it showed everything enlarged in green on black. for me it was easier to read the original ... [20:36] but then again, i could read the monitor from several meters distance :) [20:37] yes, that's what i mean. we shouldn't use sooo much areas with a black ground, the theme should be 60-70% white (or much brighter than black) and the rest could be black [20:37] i think vista goes a good way to use the maximum of black in a gui. A good combination of white and black [20:41] what i think vista does right are the dark borders [20:42] in clearlooks for example it's all white, harder to distinct windows drom eachother [20:44] and the focus goes on the content, instead of the window border [23:13] Hi all [23:13] ;-( Shame it's always so dead in here