[02:18] <posingaspopular> hi, how to file a documentation bug in kubuntu
[02:18] <somerville32> posingaspopular, Against the product
[02:19] <posingaspopular> ummm... KDE help
[02:19] <posingaspopular> so search KDE help in LP?
[02:21] <posingaspopular> sorry im not finding it
[02:21] <somerville32> Ubuntu documentation
[02:26] <posingaspopular> hmm, sorry cody im not getting this at all
[02:26] <posingaspopular> im at the /filebug page and i duno
[02:47] <mpt> avila, did you make it to UDS at all?
[02:47] <avila> oh no, I worked from home today so I wasn't in Cambridge at all.
[02:48] <mpt> ok
[02:48] <mpt> posingaspopular, can you tell me the URL of the page you were on when you searched for "KDE help"?
[02:50] <posingaspopular> bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+filebug
[02:53] <posingaspopular> basically if you go to KDE help and click 'applet manuals' there is nothing under that topic/section etc.
[02:57] <mpt> posingaspopular, ok, to put you out of your misery, the place to start is https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-doc
[02:57] <posingaspopular> sigh... thanks. im only used to filing bugs in firefox
[02:57] <mpt> Now I'm wondering how we could fix that navigation problem in Launchpad
[02:58] <posingaspopular> launchpad bugs
[02:59] <mpt> hmm
[02:59] <mpt> https://launchpad.net/projects/?text=kde+help
[02:59] <mpt> doesn't return ubuntu-doc
[03:00] <mpt> though, actually, maybe it shouldn't, since missing help in KDE's "applet manuals" section might not actually be an ubuntu-doc bug
[03:00] <mpt> but the team will at least know where to move the bug report.
[03:00] <posingaspopular> but that's part of the ubuntu docs, or KDE?
[03:01] <posingaspopular> because from what i can tell it's Kubuntu docs
[03:01] <posingaspopular> i wish nixternal was at his keyboard tonight, he would fix it in 2 seconds
[03:01] <posingaspopular> but he's performing in a rodeo instead
[03:10] <nixternal> fix what?
[03:11] <posingaspopular> oh nothing, i was trying to file a docs issue
[03:11] <posingaspopular> in kde help and being confused
[03:11] <nixternal> what is it?
[03:12] <nixternal> if you find a bug in kde help (khelpcenter), it would be best to report it upstream (bugs.kde.org)
[03:12] <posingaspopular> oh is that a KDE thing
[03:12] <nixternal> khelpcenter is
[03:13] <posingaspopular> because on top it says 'kubuntu documents'
[03:13] <posingaspopular> or is that just the one section?
[03:13] <nixternal> that is just one section
[03:13] <nixternal> what is the problem? I can tell you if it is valid or not
[03:13] <nixternal> ie. is it a bug or a wishlist item
[03:13] <posingaspopular> applet manuals
[03:14] <posingaspopular> doesn't actually return anything
[03:14] <posingaspopular> i'd like to put somethign in
[03:14] <nixternal> I do believe that is already filed upstream
[03:14] <posingaspopular> or get it removed... or something. it's bugging me out (no pun intened)
[03:14] <nixternal> isn't major enough for a 3.5.x fix, but I can guarantee it will not be there for kde 4
[03:15] <posingaspopular> nice. kde 4
[03:16] <michael_gutsy> good evening gentlemen
[03:17] <michael_gutsy> i have a newbie doc team question
[03:17] <nixternal> go for it
[03:17] <michael_gutsy> I joined the mailing list yest
[03:17] <nixternal> and good evening to you as well :)
[03:17] <michael_gutsy> and talked to jjames last night
[03:17] <nixternal> jjesse :)
[03:17] <michael_gutsy> oh yeah
[03:17] <nixternal> although, I do call him jesse james
[03:17] <michael_gutsy> was thinking jesse james for some realson
[03:18] <michael_gutsy> reason*
[03:18] <posingaspopular> oh that guy
[03:18] <nixternal> hehe, ya, it got me too
[03:18] <michael_gutsy> I would like to work up to WikiTeam eventually
[03:18] <michael_gutsy> but for starters I am good with proofreading
[03:18] <michael_gutsy> he said that I could start with the Help file
[03:19] <michael_gutsy> and i was wondering if there is a single doc that I could print out instead of reading it through the helpviewer
[03:19] <nixternal> can't say that there is
[03:19] <posingaspopular> nixternal: why is there no /skim documentation in KDE help center either
[03:19] <nixternal> do you have skim installed?
[03:20] <nixternal> or just scim?
[03:20] <michael_gutsy> ok, I guess that I will use the Help Center then...thanks
[03:20] <posingaspopular> no documentation for krecipes either...
[03:20] <nixternal> sorry about that...that is something I hope to work out with Hardy, is getting some printable materials again, as it seems a lot of people have been asking for it
[03:20] <posingaspopular> even though i clearly have that installed
[03:21] <nixternal> posingaspopular: that either means a) neither app has documentation or b) neither app registers their documentation with khc
[03:21] <michael_gutsy> i have not joined the LP team yet...i wasn't sure when I should do it
[03:22] <posingaspopular> if they don't register the documenation with khc, could I take it upon myself to submit the documentation without asking them?
[03:22] <posingaspopular> do that as a 'learn documentation' type thing
[03:22] <nixternal> nope, you need to get in touch with them and off to document their app
[03:27] <posingaspopular> nixternal: emailing them now
[03:28] <posingaspopular> michael_gutsy: if i get the green light, would you like to help me write the krecipes documentation?
[03:28] <shirish> hi all, can somebody help me with https://help.ubuntu.com/community/phpMyAdmin?highlight=%28phpmyadmin%29 the entry seems to be incomplete. I can't get phpmyadmin running/configuring
[03:29] <michael_gutsy> i am not familiar with kde, but I am willing to learn
[03:30] <michael_gutsy> posingaspopular: http://krecipes.sourceforge.net/ does not load a page...
[03:31] <posingaspopular> ah i think i did 'sudo apt-get install krecipes'
[03:31] <posingaspopular> i could get back to you on that one though
[03:32] <michael_gutsy> but I do love to cook
[03:32] <michael_gutsy> i am just looking for info to start learning
[03:32] <michael_gutsy> there is a Handbook...http://docs.kde.org/development/en/extragear-utils/krecipes/
[03:34] <posingaspopular> okay so the doc.kde./whatever isn't loaded into the Khelp center then?
[03:34] <nixternal> posingaspopular: sudo apt-get install krecipes-doc
[03:35] <nixternal> that is why you don't see the docs, you don't pay attention to the recommends when a package is installed...tisk tisk
[03:35] <nixternal> I knew there were docs because I edited them in the past
[03:36] <posingaspopular> ah i see
[03:37] <michael_gutsy> ok, project DONE! LOL
[03:38] <posingaspopular> michael_gutsy: win
[03:38] <nixternal> hahaha
[03:40] <ardchoille> I fixed some grammar and typos in the wiki.
[03:40] <ardchoille> heh, I've been proof reading and editing the wiki and help docs for ubuntu for over a year.
[03:42] <ardchoille> I signed up as a student. What must one do in order to become an official docs team member (move out of "student" status)?
[03:42] <Madpilot> you signed up w/ docteam on LP, ardchoille?
[03:43] <ardchoille> Madpilot: I signed up here:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Mentoring
[03:43] <ardchoille> What is LP?
[03:43] <Madpilot> launchpad
[03:43] <ardchoille> Oh, I don't think so. How/ehre do I do that?
[03:44] <ardchoille> I just followed this.. Mentoring program:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam
[03:45] <michael_gutsy> I am also interested in the mentoring program for the doc team.
[03:45] <Madpilot> ardchoille, you've got a launchpad account, tho, right?
[03:45] <Madpilot> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-doc
[03:46] <ardchoille> Madpilot: yes, https://launchpad.net/~ardchoille42
[03:47] <ardchoille> ok, the LP page for ubuntu docs team says to do a few things and I have done them.
[03:48] <Madpilot> then sign up. matt or one of the other admins will approve you eventually.
[03:48] <ardchoille> Madpilot: I'm sorry, but I don't see where to sign up
[03:49] <Madpilot> there should be a green "Join this team" button in the middle of the screen
[03:49] <Madpilot> if you're logged into lp
[03:50] <ardchoille> There's a "Mentoring available" button
[03:50] <Madpilot> if you don't see a "Join This Team" button next to that, you're already a member
[03:51] <Madpilot> check your LP profile page
[03:51] <ardchoille> ardchoille is not an active member of any Launchpad teams.
[03:51] <ardchoille> The ubuntu-doc LP page says I'm not a member
[03:51] <Madpilot> oddness
[03:51] <ardchoille> I think I might be doing something wrong.
[03:52] <Madpilot> ping matt once he's online
[03:52] <ardchoille> ok
[03:52] <Madpilot> @now london
[03:52] <ubotu> Current time in Europe/London: November 03 2007, 03:52:27 - Next meeting: Edubuntu Team in 4 days
[03:52] <Madpilot> no chance he'll be awake right now :)
[03:52] <ardchoille> yeah
[03:52] <Madpilot> well, slim, anyway
[03:53] <ardchoille> mdke shows "away" here
[03:53] <Madpilot> likewise - 3hrs and some idle
[03:53] <Madpilot> there's also recently been a big re-arrangement of the doc teams on LP, I don't quite understand the new setup.
[03:54]  * Madpilot hasn't actually done any documenting for months...
[03:54] <nixternal> year+? :p
[03:54] <Madpilot> quite likely. haven't even done any wiki editing in ages.
[03:54] <nixternal> you have been hibernating
[03:55] <Madpilot> been doing loco stuff (Ubuntu Canada) and real-world stuff
[03:55] <nixternal> you haven't edited wiki pages since I started it...I mean really editing them...we used to hit the category cleanups like it was going out of style
[03:55] <nixternal> that's been a while now
[03:55] <nixternal> going on 2 years
[03:55] <Madpilot> ya, Dapper was my big docteam effort, since then I've been doing other stuff
[03:56] <Madpilot> docteam got me Ubuntu Membership, then I stopped doing it ;)
[03:56] <nixternal> haha
[03:56]  * posingaspopular resists an offensive joke
[03:57] <nixternal> 22:57:00 [notice(ChanServ!ChanServ@services.)] An access level of [10] is required for [OP] on #ubuntu-doc
[03:57] <nixternal> count your blessings posingaspopular
[03:57] <ardchoille> If I see a wiki page that has no category, I won't hurt anything by assigning it a category will I? As long as I assign the correct category?
[03:57] <posingaspopular> ardchoille: go for it
[03:57] <nixternal> Madpilot: tell posingaspopular to quit being scared..he was going to say this to you:
[03:57] <nixternal> [posingasp] i was going to tell Madpilot 'hit it and quit it!'
[03:57] <nixternal> :p
[03:58] <Madpilot> nixternal, who *does* have ops here, anyway? I don't either.
[03:58] <nixternal> what a girly mahn </ahnold voice>
[03:58] <Madpilot> heh
[03:58]  * Madpilot wishes @lart still worked.
[03:58] <nixternal> ya, they removed them out of the important channels
[03:58] <Madpilot>  @lart doesn't even work in #ubuntu-offtopic anymore, or -ops
[03:59] <posingaspopular> no i was just resisting the urge to break the CoC in a public chan. PM's and ubuntu-chicago don't count richard
[03:59] <posingaspopular> also you're an ass
wrt the CoC, #ubuntu-chigaco probably does count</pedant>
[03:59] <nixternal> signum, jdub, mdke_, your brother, and jerome are the only ones with ops
[03:59] <Madpilot> chicago, even
[03:59] <nixternal> so really, just mdke_ I guess
[03:59] <Madpilot> ya
[03:59] <nixternal> hahaha
[04:00] <nixternal> I made posingaspopular blush
[04:00] <nixternal> ubuntu-chicago and the coc is like drug dealers having a coc
[04:00] <posingaspopular> actually i dont think I've signed the CoC yet...
[04:01] <Madpilot> nixternal, is that your blog that has "sending propietary software to sleep with the fishes' as a tagline?
[04:02] <nixternal> ya
[04:02] <nixternal> posingaspopular: if you haven't signed the coc, then you can't edit docs
[04:02] <nixternal> we don't trust you is what I am saying :p
[04:03] <Madpilot> not technically true. except maybe in Chicago.
[04:04] <nixternal> hehe
[04:04] <nixternal> shhh
[05:11] <posingaspopular> need help creating a wiki page plz
[05:12] <TimBosse> What's up?
[05:12] <TimBosse> I am no "expert", but I might be able to help.
[05:13] <posingaspopular> TimBosse: I'm trying to create a page for a codesprint/hackathon thrown by the Ubuntu-illinois team.
[05:13] <TimBosse> OK.
[05:13] <posingaspopular> we are not an official team yet, but we are going to try and make it ubuntu specific as possible
[05:13] <posingaspopular> where should this page be created
[05:13] <Madpilot> posingaspopular, does ubuntu-illinois have a team page yet?
[05:14] <posingaspopular> yes
[05:14] <Madpilot> then do your events as subpages off that page
[05:15] <Madpilot> like the Ubuntu Toronto release party page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Toronto/GustyGibbonReleaseParty
[05:15] <posingaspopular> right right, but how do i Create
[05:16] <TimBosse> You need to edit the wiki page for ubuntu-illinois.
[05:16] <Madpilot> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IllinoisTeam/newpagenamegoeshere
[05:16] <Madpilot> that'll automatically create a subpage for you ^^^
[05:17] <TimBosse> and add a link to the page.
[05:17] <TimBosse> ...or go with Madpilot's method :)
[05:18] <Madpilot> posingaspopular, no apostrophe in "get's" in the IllinoisTeam intro blurb, BTW
[05:18] <Madpilot> and no 'e' on the end of 'aid' there, either
[05:19] <Madpilot> </pedant editor>
[05:19] <posingaspopular> i got it
[05:19] <posingaspopular> thanks
[05:19] <Madpilot> and to be really, really evil - technically, the Ubuntu Trademark Policy sez, "putting things inside the Ubuntu logo to create team logos is a no-no."
[05:20] <posingaspopular> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IllinoisTeam/Events
[05:20] <posingaspopular> does that work
[05:20] <Madpilot> yup
[05:20] <posingaspopular> isn't the logo also open source... ish?
[05:20] <Madpilot> No.
[05:21] <Madpilot> http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy
[05:21] <Madpilot> it's just not enforced very stringently on LoCoTeams
[05:21] <posingaspopular> i see
[05:21] <Madpilot> I took it as a challenge when I created the Ubuntu Canada logo, though. Restrictions foster creativity.
[05:25] <Madpilot> the Aussie Team had a great contest, with discussion on what is/isn't allowed: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Archives/Logo
[05:28] <posingaspopular> i really like the first one
[05:39] <Madpilot> the green kangaroo one? again, falls foul of the trademark policy
[05:39] <Madpilot> or the dot-map one they adopted? that one's great.
[05:55] <TimBosse> g'night.
[13:45] <ardchoille> mdke_: ping
[13:45] <mdke_> ardchoille: (In case I'm not around at the moment, please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I get back)
[13:45] <ardchoille> haha
[13:45] <ardchoille> Perfect Timing
[13:46] <ardchoille> mdke_: I desire to join the documentation team as an official member and be assigned tasks. I do really well when given tasks to perform.
[13:47] <ardchoille> I don't do so well when told to "find something to do".. possibly because I don't know what is available
[13:49] <ardchoille> mdke_: I have been proofreading and editing the wiki and help docs for over a year. I don't know Docbook, but am willing to learn. I still write my web pages in raw html in a text editor so I feel that learning XML will come easy.
[13:50] <ardchoille> I have been using Linux since 2001 and *buntu since 2004. I'm not good with programming or packaging so I believe that helping with documentation and bug reports are the only way I am able to "give back" to the Ubuntu community.
[13:51] <ardchoille> This is an awesome distro and I would like to officially help keep it that way :)
[21:39] <lamber1> so what is the difference between the ubuntu wiki and the community section of help.ubuntu.com
[21:51] <astro76> lamber1, help.ubuntu.com/community is for ubuntu documentation, wiki.ubuntu.com is for development, team and project coordination... anything but documentation
[21:53] <ardchoille> astro76: You wouldn't believe the amount of people who don't realise that
[21:54] <astro76> I bet
[21:57] <somerville32> It was recently changed
[22:21] <mdke_> recently = over a year ago
[22:22] <mdke_> ardchoille: for joining the team, we ask that people contribute some patches and show us an ability to use our toolchain and send reliable commits before adding them. However if you feel that you'd prefer to have tasks assigned to you, the best thing is to ask on the mailing list
[22:22] <mdke_> ardchoille: specify the area you're interested in, and the people working on that area will give you pointers
[22:23] <mdke_> ardchoille: we have a Tasks page (which may be vaguely up to date) and lots of bug reports which you can look at for things to do. The wiki also has plenty of tasks
[22:24] <ardchoille> mdke_: Joining the team requires all of that? I had no idea it was so involved.
[22:24] <ardchoille> Patches? What kind of patches? I can't program
[22:24] <somerville32> Patches to the documentation :)
[22:25] <ardchoille> What toolchain? It's just documentation. I know how to use a text editor
[22:25] <mdke_> ardchoille: have you not seen our team pages yet?
[22:25] <mdke_> they explain in simple steps what is involved
[22:25] <ardchoille> Hmm.. I think I'm in the wrong place.
[22:25] <mdke_> nope, it's as easy as falling off a log
[22:25] <ardchoille> I wanted to join the team that works on text documentation
[22:25] <mdke_> I'll explain more slowly
[22:26] <ardchoille> ok
[22:26] <mdke_> you shouldn't be scared by the word "patch", all it is is a way to send some changes you make to the documentation to us for us to review and apply to our files
[22:27] <mdke_> ardchoille: basically, you don't have to have "commit access" to contribute to the documentation team, you just need to send us some of your proposed changes. We'll then review them and apply them
[22:28] <mdke_> after you've sent a few and we know that you are doing good work, we'll give you access to send those changes directly to the files.
[22:28] <mdke_> all that applies to the system documentation in Ubuntu.
[22:28] <ardchoille> Oh, I can do that easily.
[22:28] <mdke_> contributing to the wiki is much more straightforward
[22:28] <mdke_> you just login and edit
[22:28] <ardchoille> yes, I've been editing the wiki for a while
[22:28] <mdke_> If you read all of this, you'll understand exactly what is involved: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/GettingStarted
[22:29] <ardchoille> mdke_: So, I find problems in the documentation (khelpcenter?), then send proposed changes to you for inspection?
[22:29] <ardchoille> ok
[22:29] <mdke_> correct
[22:29] <mdke_> as for tasks on the wiki, some are listed here - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiToDo
[22:29] <ardchoille> I've read all of that. Either it isn't straight forward enough, or I'm an idiot.
[22:30] <mdke_> you probably want to read the pages which are linked for further explanation in the particular section of page you're interested in
[22:31] <mdke_> for example, for the system documentation, "Repository" and "Contribute"
[22:32] <mdke_> but feel free to ask here or on the mailing list for any help
[22:35] <mdke_> nixternal: saw you edited libs/global.ent in the kubuntu branch - could you remember always to merge common changes across the various branches if you make them, or if you haven't got them, send a mail to the list to give a heads up?
[22:35] <nixternal> roger....all I have right now is kubuntu-docs
[22:36] <somerville32> mdke_: Why don't you isolate that into one branch its self?
[22:36] <mdke_> yeah, it can be a bit heavy to get them all. But there is a tarball with the revision history if you want to get them, save you download time
[22:36] <mdke_> somerville32: we thought about it, but then it won't be possible to build packages out of a single branch
[22:36] <somerville32> Use the new nested-tree functionality
[22:37] <mdke_> I think that causes problems with the format we use. But I'd be interested in hearing how it works
[22:38] <somerville32> Me too actually, lol
[22:38] <somerville32> Lifeless just told me about it 5 seconds ago for an unrelated query
[22:40] <ardchoille> mdke_: Well, I found some problems with documentation and submitted bugs. Here they are:
[22:40] <ardchoille> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knowit/+bug/159463
[22:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 159463 in knowit "KnowIt docs in the wrong place" [Undecided,New]
[22:40] <ardchoille> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kompose/+bug/159471
[22:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 159471 in kompose "Kompose handbook is a mess" [Undecided,New]
[22:40] <ardchoille> mdke_: Was that not the right thing to do?
[22:40] <somerville32> Kompose handbook is a mess isn't very descriptive :/
[22:41] <ardchoille> I did give examples from the handbook
[22:47] <somerville32> mdke_, ConfigManager
[22:47] <somerville32> http://bazaar-vcs.org/ConfigManager
[22:48] <mdke_> perhaps we could use that in the future. Lifeless didn't mention it in our discussion about structuring the branches, neither did jameinel