[00:32] Does anybody know where the list of mime types for "File Associations" in kcontrol comes from? [00:33] I'm wondering why application/x-dia-diagram does not show up there (from dia). It has a desktop file and a file in /usr/lib/mime/packages [00:41] oh well.. it does not actually contain a desktop file - this may fix it. === user_ is now known as daskreech [00:54] Wow [00:54] #debian are a bunch of jerks [01:25] ok. actually dia ships a desktop file, in dia-common and it gets installed.. I've no clue anymore, what may be wrong. I think I'll just file a bug about it. [02:00] Wait hold up [02:00] Koffice is synching with us? === claydoh_ is now known as claydoh [02:18] Just in case someone is following my MIME experiences: the solution appears to be installing an appropriate file into /usr/share/mimelnk/application for x-dia-diagram (LP bug 159870). I'll stop about it here now.. :) [02:19] Launchpad bug 159870 in dia "MIME type not registered in KDE3" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/159870 [03:49] * Jucato waves to Hobbsee [03:49] hiya Jucato! [03:50] how's your sunday? and how's gnome doing? :) [03:52] Hobbsee: you're working on gnome now? [03:52] just got home from work [03:52] yuriy: i'm using ubuntu at the moment, yes [04:00] kde4bindings is killing me with the usr/lib/kde4/share/ [04:00] howdy Hobbsee [04:00] Hobbsee: Jucato [04:00] good work today yuriy [04:00] nixternal!!!! [04:00] my body is killling me today :/ [04:00] Kubuntu team was in effect today krushing bugs [04:00] that isn't good [04:01] * Jucato thinks he'll just fall down and sleep the whole afternoon away... [04:01] nixternal: nice! [04:01] oh kool yuriy did all the adept bugs? yay!!! [04:01] * Jucato scratches it off this todo list [04:10] nixternal: i don't think i did anything [04:11] Jucato: he's referring to kde4-krush [04:11] ah wow :) [04:11] nice job then! :) [04:11] ...excep that i didn't do anything, except build it so now i have new toys to play with [04:11] and absolutely no hard drive space [04:11] well at least you were there :) [04:12] * Jucato deliberately wasn't [04:12] heh [04:12] and actually i just figured out that that's why koffice wasn't building [04:14] now built. the text flow in kword 2.0 is really awesome [04:15] :( [04:15] er... :) [04:33] Koffice are tracking us now? [04:33] drink [04:34] dang it :) === uga|away is now known as uga [06:42] * Hobbsee sighs at gnome === uga is now known as uga|away [07:08] morning [07:09] morning Serega [07:09] Hello === Saied_ is now known as Saied [08:16] Riddell: John, could you give me an advice? [08:17] i doubt he's around [08:18] they all got hte weekend off [08:18] oh... [08:18] Hobbsee: and can I ask you for advice? [08:19] depends what it's for :) [08:21] it is a general question. :) What do you use as a primary IDE? [08:22] vim :) [08:24] occasionally kate [08:27] good [08:27] so are you debugging via plain gdb? === Saied_ is now known as Saied [08:29] s/are you debugging/do you debug :) === Saied_ is now known as Saied [09:38] Jucato: poke [09:39] Jucato: http://liquidat.wordpress.com/2007/11/03/fedora-8-rc-3/#comment-39959 I guess you're the one who is referred to, so you might want to read it === Nightrose2 is now known as Nightrose [09:59] mhb: thanks. I'll read it later === uga|away is now known as uga [11:27] jpatrick: kryptomedia doesnt work because of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-mount/+bug/156285 [11:27] Launchpad bug 156285 in gnome-mount "LUKS partition mounted to /dev/mapper, but not to /media" [Undecided,New] [11:28] and also https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-mount/+bug/148003 [11:28] Launchpad bug 148003 in gnome-mount "mounting Luks encrypted USB-HDD does not work reliably" [Undecided,New] [11:28] hmm [11:29] i.e. i get the device mapper just like i should [11:29] but then it's not being mounted from there [11:35] btw, if you want to try, creating a luks volume is simple [11:36] cryptsetup luksFormat /dev/yourdevice [11:36] cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/yourdevice yourdevice [11:36] will create /dev/mapper/yourdevice [11:36] I could try it on my usb [11:36] which can be used like any block device (i.e. needs be formatted first ;) [11:37] damn, I removed qtparted yesterday [11:38] unless you want to repartition your usb stick you wont need it [11:39] any partition can be made into a LUKS? [11:42] yeah [11:42] it will be trashed [11:42] (obviously) [11:42] * jpatrick trashes usb [11:42] * buz should get a new usb stick [11:43] 256mb promotional just doesnt cut it ;) [11:45] buz: yeah, 16GB is a bit different but 256MB is ideal for your encrypted keys, etc. [11:45] was thinking about 22EUR 4GB corsair stick [11:45] its pretty large, but in soft plastic looks sturdy [11:46] or maybe i should get the 55EUR 8GB one as that would fit my whole home [11:46] I don't have that cryptsetup [11:46] its in the repos ;) [11:46] might also need to do sudo modprobe dm-crypt [11:47] hmm, kde-luks package won't work here [11:47] if you do dpkg --force-all it will ;9 [11:48] yeah, but it breaks due to HAL deps [11:48] no it works [11:48] pw dialog comes up just fine under gutsy once you forced installing it [11:51] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/43243/ hmm [11:51] did you modprobe dm-crypt? [11:51] oh yeah you did [11:52] ;) [11:52] you must type YES [11:52] not Yes ;) [11:52] ahh [11:52] ok done [11:53] (i very much recommend to have usb sticks compressed btw ;) [11:53] unless you plan on using it on other pcs [11:54] at which point it becomes a nuisance quickly [11:54] btw, FreeOTFE can read luks volumes under windows [11:55] ok, now I can't open the usb [11:55] ? [11:56] now, it doesn't appear under media:/ [11:56] yeah [11:56] that's the issue ;) [11:56] what happens when you un- and replug the stick? [11:56] that^ [11:56] weird [11:56] before it said superbad block [11:57] did you crypsetup luksOpen and then newfs it? [11:57] newfs? [11:57] luksFormat creates an empty volume [11:57] it needs a filesystem inside [11:57] "sudo cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdb1" <- is that the right command? [11:57] just name for the second argument [11:58] ie sdb1 [11:58] it will then appear in /dev/mapper/ [11:58] where it can be used like any other device [11:58] yep, it's there [11:59] now i guess mkfs.ext3 /dev/mapper/sdb1 or so would be in order [11:59] (just remebered that newfs is bsd speak ;) [11:59] after which you can mount it [12:00] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/43244/ is that good? [12:00] also says: Warning: could not erase sector 2: Attempt to write block from filesystem resulted in short write [12:01] looks good to me [12:02] never saw the warning so not sure what i means [12:02] and now I mount as? [12:02] mount /dev/mapper/sdb1 somemountpoint [12:04] for some reason it's renamed itself to sdc1 [12:04] thats weird [12:06] lol i wondered why my system was so slow [12:06] turns out it was set to powersave [12:06] meaning the cpu runs at 800 instead of 2000mhz [12:08] I have to run at powersave to shut up the fan [12:09] mine wont shut up even then [12:09] or not all the time [12:09] dell is being a bit braindead, wtf the fan needs to run at 38° i dont really understand [12:10] but i have have headphones on anyway so it doesnt bother me much [12:10] mine's suffered from multiple pbuilds. [12:18] sorry about that [12:18] forgot I set the Compiz fire button to "C" [12:19] LOL [12:19] buz: but yeah, the dialog came up and accepted the password [12:19] now you have a device in /dev/mapper right? [12:19] but not mounted [12:19] no it said pass for /dev/sdc1 [12:20] but there is a luks_crypto_67cf246d-b501-4952-8f75-ef0a5f349e67 there [12:20] yeah thats the mapping it sets up [12:20] you can mount that [12:20] but it doesnt mount it automatically [12:20] which would be the point imho ;) [12:21] i think it's hal's job to mount the mapped drive [12:21] what's the fs mount command? [12:22] yeah if i could figure that out [12:24] hmm lunch [12:29] ehh... not bad,, http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/21625 [12:32] nosrednaekim: I wonder what is so easy to set up on that PCLinuxOS [12:32] nosrednaekim: is it the fact that they simply don't care about codecs' license, so they ship them all? [12:32] mhb: mostly its that they have a yast-like control center [12:33] and that... yes [12:33] that would be Mandriva's CC, right? [12:34] yeah [12:35] I installed it once, but I didn't like it because 1)there wern't enough packages... 2) Tekstar bugged me... 3) it didn't recognize my camera [12:36] I wonder if SUSE and Mandriva finally "get it" one day and start producing modules for kcontrol [12:36] so we all can share our configuration tools [12:37] tht would be nice.. [12:37] except suse is a Gnome company too. [12:37] but Madriva if I remember correctly is KDE [12:38] so they should do that... [12:38] it has GNOME was well. and remember that it's only until opensuse 10.3 that YaST finally has a GTK port [12:38] oh really? thats interesting. [12:39] suse was completely KDE iirc, until it was bought by Novell and Novell bought Ximian [12:39] (but then again, YaST was closed source until Novell opened it...) [12:39] yu [12:39] though kwwii might know more details ;) [12:40] indeed, suse was a german company concentrating on KDE back in the day [12:41] Kubuntu does have most of the configuration modules that PClinuxOS has. [12:41] oh and MCC is completely GTK :) [12:41] but it was bought by Novell, and one of the company chiefs is Miguel de Icaza, the GNOME founder. [12:41] (drakconf) [12:41] at least all of the commonly used ones [12:41] oh Novell bought Redcarpet/Ximian before it bought SuSE? [12:42] yes, AFAIK. [12:42] wikipedia might know better than me. [12:42] ah... Embrace, Extend, Extinguish :P [12:42] GNOME style [12:42] j/k [12:43] the MCC is gtk?lol [12:43] MCC = [12:43] ? [12:43] Jucato: they bought Ximian 3 months before SUSE. [12:43] Mandriva Control Center [12:43] MCC = drakconf [12:44] nosrednaekim: yes. it's totally GTK [12:44] and now that Miguel is the Vice President of the Developer Platform, we cannot expect increased interest in KDE. [12:44] I'll believe that when Novell starts laying off KDE developers [12:44] wasn't there a port of yast to ubuntu? [12:44] nosrednaekim: there *was*... not sure what happened though [12:45] the yast configuration was the best thing about suse... [12:45] nosrednaekim: people want it, but it would require some really hard work, and we could get that only if C. wanted that [12:45] * Jucato agrees [12:45] w/ nosrednaekim, that is. [12:45] mhb: there was a community project before [12:45] actually, it's porting YaST to debian, not to Ubuntu only iirc [12:46] Jucato: right, but as one of the YaST devs stated, it would require a hard-working team [12:46] yast4debian: http://yast4debian.alioth.debian.org/ [12:46] true. that's why it's dead... [12:47] what's nice about both MCC and YaST is that they are both KCM-like, in a sense that they are very modular [12:47] that would be nice if they were interoperable with KCM. [12:47] true [12:48] I guess it could be done, after all, YaST uses its own YCP language interpreters, so it is just the question of rewriting those [12:49] but no company (especially companies that deal with the devil :o) would invest in editing their tools so they can be used by competition, too [12:49] they are happy that only SUSE derivatives can use it [12:49] its not python... so i'm out :( [12:50] good point mhb [12:50] suse derivatives? do they exist? [12:50] python... hm... [12:52] Jucato: no clue [12:52] Jucato: did you read that comment from KKofler? [12:52] not yet. it's in my queue [12:53] * Jucato has to catch up on a lot of reading tonight [12:58] when kde4 beta 4 packages come out... i'm going to start using it full time [12:58] I have to learn how everything work before the support requests come flooding in :) === Shely is now known as Huahua [13:07] Huahua: huhuhaha? [13:17] when was the note about in a day added :P [13:18] ;) [13:19] "or so" [13:21] I think we haven't had a meeting for a long long time [13:21] so it's time to change that [13:22] mhb: everyone ELSE just had a huge meeting ;) [13:22] hm? [13:23] * Hobbsee hears talks of meetings [13:23] UDS [13:23] ahhh [13:24] nosrednaekim: indeed, but that was just jjesse and Riddell [13:24] and we have plenty of topics that we should discuss as a community [13:25] and kwwii, but from what I hear... he's a nit of a two faced apple ;) [13:25] mhb: we need another meeting, methinks. [13:26] yup... I definately think we need a meeting [13:27] will need to be sometime after next week [13:32] Hobbsee: can't we do that next weekend? [13:32] mhb: Riddell's likely to be travelling [13:32] and i hit exams RSN, too [13:33] RSN? [13:39] Hobbsee: aren't you on GNOME now? :o) [13:39] just joking [13:39] we can wait, but I hate delaying stuff [13:39] mhb: yeah, but last i knew, i was still part of th eteam :P [13:39] Jucato: real soon now [13:39] aaah [13:39] mhb: i dont think we'll be able to pull Riddell away from all hands. [13:40] 2.6.24rc1 seems to fix a lot of the spurious wake up from idle older kernels suffered from [13:40] Jucato: Hobbsee: Registered Surgical Nurse is my guess at that acronym? [13:40] but i cant get alsa to compile [13:40] nosrednaekim: I was sort of thinking that too :) [13:42] nosrednaekim: nope :) [13:42] nosrednaekim: i dont htink you'd want me being a nurse [13:42] she'll be using soldering irons in place of scalpels :) [13:42] heh [13:43] if Hobbsee were a nurse, she'd have it real hard here, especially if she put up some photos of her at work [13:43] ah, old times :o) [13:44] :P [13:54] mhh i dont see the fascination with nurses, geek girls are much more fascinating ;) [13:56] buz: you may be right, but a geek nurse? [13:56] you need a tower function to compute the attractivity of such a girl :o) [13:56] wait, you call them differently in English [13:57] mhb: nurses are too busy to be geeks, surely [13:58] you call it "tetration" [13:58] what an ugly word [13:59] or "power tower" which is closer to what I tried to say === apachelogger__ is now known as apachelogger [14:19] mhb: I can't find where the GNOME Desktop Effects program is [14:21] jpatrick: it's a capplet [14:22] jpatrick: run gnome control center (even from KDE), select Appearance and the Desktop effects tab [14:23] don't ask me where the code is, that's why I am on KDE :o) [14:24] aha [14:24] (you can probably ask Hobbsee... :D ) [14:26] the compiz thing? [14:27] Hobbsee: yes, we'd like to know where the code is [14:27] compiz-config-settings-manager, iirc [14:27] Hobbsee: no, not this one, the patch to the GNOME Appearance tab that includes Desktop Effects [14:28] oh right [14:28] n oidea, then [14:28] oh, awesome [14:28] gnome's been fixed so it "just works" with amarok, it appers [14:29] nooo! [14:34] does anyone here use taskbar-compiz? [14:43] hey Serega [14:43] jpatrick: Hi! [14:44] how's it going? [14:44] jpatrick: I have some troubles :) [14:44] Serega: have you started doing anything with the kaffeine codec suggestions? [14:44] jpatrick: exactly [14:45] oops [14:45] mhb: exactly :) [14:45] mhb: HI [14:45] Serega: Hi, I guess step 0 would be to download the current Kubuntu source code and put it in a bzr branch [14:46] mhb: kubuntu source code? I've done apt-get source kaffeine [14:46] Serega: that is correct [14:46] mhb: is it not sufficient? [14:47] nice [14:47] Serega: err,Kaffeine source code in Kubuntu [14:47] Serega: if you have that, it is wise that you will create a bzr branch of your code, so when you create something, we can all check your progress and help you with whatever you need [14:47] Serega: I take it you are familiar with Version Control? [14:48] I still have big inconvenience in using separate editor, compiler and debugger, my habit to IDE is too strong :) [14:48] mhb: I have exp with SVN and CVS [14:48] Serega: you'll get used to it [14:48] We use Bzr [14:49] jpatrick: yes, I hope I just need a time [14:49] jpatrick: I need 5 min to google for "Bzr" :) [14:49] btw, does "bzr" means "bazaar"?) [14:50] *mean [14:50] Serega: yep [14:51] Serega: our code is at: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/ [14:51] I recommend http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/latest/en/mini-tutorial/index.html [14:51] this way we can break something [14:51] that is a good tutorial [14:52] jpatrick: he cannot really do anything within kubuntu-members, he's not a member [14:52] yeah.. but just for an example [14:52] but it's only a matter of time [14:53] ~kubuntu-users is the best one, we can all edit this one and it's an open team [14:53] why to use banching for simple task? [14:53] Hobbsee: please reupload kmplayer (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=kmplayer), last upload FTBFS and here's this version's pbuild log: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/43266/ [14:53] pretty please? :) [14:53] jpatrick: can you email me about it please? [14:54] * Hobbsee doesnt even seem to remember uploading the first one ;) [14:54] Serega: because having a branch will allow us to work together on it easily [14:54] no, imbrandon did that other [14:54] ah [14:54] Serega: and we can easily track what you did without bothering you, etc. [14:54] Serega: once we have it, we'll create a patch out of it [14:54] * Hobbsee wonders why this glass panel works for gnome, but not kde [14:55] OOH. About panels!!! Guys, we have ugliest bug in panel setup [14:56] which one? :) [14:56] Just create additional panel in KDE and try to change its size :) You cannot perfrom this without kcontrol [14:57] It's frustrating for newbies [14:58] Hobbsee: mail sent [14:59] cool [15:00] mhb: awesome manual, thanks [15:01] Serega: better file a bug so we can keep track of it [15:01] (about the panels) [15:02] ok, maybe it is already filed [15:02] Serega: when you file a bug it will search for similar bugs ... so try it and you'll see [15:03] does anyone know if it's possible to have several KDE version alongside each other? I mean - compile two different versions of kdelibs/kdebase and switch between them [15:03] mhb: how it is possible? [15:04] how to swich? [15:04] mhb: not without pain. they're doing it for kde3,4, though [15:04] Serega: at kdm [15:04] O.o [15:04] wow [15:05] Hobbsee: it's not really that difficult, specially if he follows the techbase instructions (although he'll have 2 different users) [15:06] Jucato: ah right. didnt know techbase covered co-installability, although i guess it would [15:06] mhb: you might want to ask stdin when he comes around (where is he anyway?). he was able to set it up in a way that a single user can use KDE 3 and 4, depending on a few env vars [15:07] Jucato: that I can [15:07] Hobbsee: it instructs to install in a separate user's home directory instead of system directories. although in the case of our packages, we install in /usr/lib/kde4 iirc. it's basically the same. the most important part is setting up the correct paths... [15:07] Jucato: I wanted to test vanilla, Debian and Kubuntu KDE3's on a single machine [15:07] ah right [15:07] yup [15:08] * Hobbsee heads to bed. night all [15:08] g'night Hobbsee! [15:26] * ryanakca wonders on adding keyboard shortcuts to Adept... like in aptitude... [15:31] adept.... [15:31] it struck again btw... [15:31] struck? [15:32] the "Adept doesn't warn me that it will uninstall my whole system" problem... [15:32] * ryanakca scratches his head... in what sense? [15:32] Oh :) [15:32] adept is an uhm weird app anyhow [15:32] * ryanakca goes to "preview changes" when he does use adept... [15:32] i try to avoid it [15:32] but... 98% of the time I use apt/aptitude :) [15:33] has a weird gui [15:33] ryanakca: but how many users would know that they should do that? :) [15:33] * Jucato still thinks that a simple status bar notification isn't a good notification for system-critical processes like installing/removing packages [15:33] why cant we just use kpackage [15:33] buz: because we'd be basically be doing the same thing [15:33] maintaining an unmaintained beast by ourselves :) [15:33] at least it has a somewhat sane gui [15:34] both are beasts... kpackage has an added beasthood feature of supporting more than just Debian-type sources :) [15:34] Jucato: *shrugs*... the paranoid ones? I'd have Apply Changes go threw "Preview changes", and have a little bar at the bottom saying "Proceed" or "Go back"... and if they proceed, well install [15:35] maybe we can go to packagekit one day [15:35] ryanakca: ditto... but the original author of Adept is sort of firm of not doing anything like a "confirm first" thing... or at least a dialog box for that... [15:35] Jucato: and... why not? [15:35] buz: if Ubuntu decides to... which they're thinking of... [15:35] which will make mhb go krazy [15:35] ryanakca: you'll have to ask him. it was a wishlist filed upstream [15:36] well i'd like to see smart myself [15:36] ryanakca: basically along the lines of "**I** know what I'm doing and I don't need it to ask me about it" [15:37] buz: afaik one very big consideration for PackageKit would be how much it supports APT. from what I've heard, not that good yet [15:37] i can see why that would be a consideration ;) [15:38] ryanakca: I personally have no issues with a dialog box, but if people hate that, perhaps a Request Changes (install/remove) -> Preview Changes -> Apply Changes workflow would be a better compromise [15:38] * ryanakca nods [15:38] or, if it's possible, just a warning dialog if some "critical" packages will be removed. [15:38] imho it should show what it will do [15:38] hmm... so packagekit is what... a frontend to apt/yum/urpmi all in one? [15:38] even apt-get does [15:38] ryanakca: yeah, dbus interface [15:38] afaik in Gentoo, you will be warned or stopped if an action will remove a critical package [15:39] a bit more than that... it works on a server-client model [15:39] in apt at least you're being warned if you try to remove the running kernel [15:39] (which occasionally i actually WANT to do ;9 [15:39] hmm... [15:40] * ryanakca makes himself a chroot and runs rm -fr :) [15:40] s@rm -fr@rm -fr /@ [15:40] but first mount your / or /home in the chroot and end up like me :) [15:40] hehehe [15:40] rofl [15:40] yes, it did happen to me :) [15:40] guy i know once did something like that to a mailserver [15:41] ouch [15:41] following the chroot guide in the old packaging guide, I made a chroot, mounted my /home there.... [15:41] * ryanakca decides not to run the command unless using a liveCD [15:41]