[00:00] <mike-kubuntu> at first i thought it was because it was a sym link, but i just created a comnpletely new directory and the same thing is happening
[00:00] <mike-kubuntu> anyone know whats up?
[00:01] <Exploit> lespea: Unrecognized option: -ar AND Could not create the Java virtual machine.
[00:01] <Exploit> lespea: ah works with jar.. didnt look right, sorry :)
[00:02] <szakulec> hi, I'm confused as to where Konqueror stores its cache file- any help would be greatly appreciated
[00:02] <lespea> Exploit: haha k good
[00:02] <ardchoille> mike-kubuntu: what does ls -dl /var/www show?
[00:02] <Exploit> lespea: he wants "Directory to install"... where shoud it be?
[00:03] <Exploit> lespea: there is "/home/MYUSERNAME/Desktop/bluej" as standard
[00:03] <lespea> Exploit: wherever you want it to go? ~/{progname} ?
[00:03] <mike-kubuntu> ardchoille: drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 800 2007-11-03 19:54 /var/www
[00:03] <Exploit> if it is in my /home only i can use it, right?
[00:04] <lespea> not necessarily
[00:04] <ardchoille> mike-kubuntu: Ok, and for every directory below that that has "r" set, "x" is also set?
[00:04] <lespea> you have to change permissions to remove read/execute for everybody
[00:04] <Exploit> if i set +r rights.. yeah, but i dont want to ^^
[00:04] <lespea> haha
[00:04] <mike-kubuntu> ardchoille: yes
[00:05] <Exploit> shoud i make a directory in /home called Programs?
[00:05] <Exploit> --> /home/programs
[00:05] <lespea> mike-kubuntu: do a ls -lA... does . have rw permissions?
[00:05] <lespea> mike-kubuntu: make that ls -la sorry
[00:06] <Dr_Willis>  it would be /home/USERNAME/Programs
[00:06] <lespea> Exploit: no... and it would be /home/{username}/programs
[00:06] <lespea> Exploit: I mean you could
[00:06] <lespea> Exploit: up to you man
[00:06] <Exploit> hmm.. so everything i want to install is in my home/username/
[00:06] <Dr_Willis> Put it in /home/Username/MySpiffyUltimete/Programs/That/I/Love/To/Death. :)
[00:07] <ardchoille> lol
[00:07] <Dr_Willis> Exploit you users home directory is /home/username
[00:07] <Dr_Willis> as system admin - you COULD install anything anywhere.
[00:07] <Dr_Willis> users normally keep stuff in their own dir.
[00:07] <Exploit> and i should install it in /home/exploit/bluej than?
[00:07] <mike-kubuntu> lespea: it says . has drwxr-xr-x
[00:08] <lespea> mike-kubuntu: hmm k
[00:08] <lespea> Exploit: that'd work
[00:08] <mike-kubuntu> lespea: it worked once when i linked it but then i tried again later and it wouldn't and hasn't since
[00:09] <Exploit> okay and he wants a java jdk directory
[00:09] <lespea> Exploit: i think it's /usr/bin/ but i could be wrong :po
[00:11] <Exploit> ahh sould i install bluej to /usr/? there is a directory called games
[00:11] <lespea> Exploit: i wouldn't
[00:11] <draik> Any word on when the other repos are going to be added?
[00:12]  * draik is talking about source-o-matic
[00:12] <Exploit> ok. in /usr/bin is java java_vm is this the jdk directory?
[00:12] <lespea> Exploit: not sure :/
[00:12] <lespea> Exploit: that or maybe /usr/lib/java.../
[00:12] <Sanne> Exploit: I recommend not to install any third party apps to /usr/*, because those directories are governed by the package manager. Better places would be /usr/local or /opt.
[00:13] <Dr_Willis> what are we installing anyway? heh
[00:14] <Exploit> in /lib/ is java virtual machine
[00:14] <Fastre> Hola muy buenasa noches, soy un novato y necesito una ayuda, para ver las actualizaciones y descargarme paquetes y tal.. x donde cae?
[00:14] <Exploit> directory (jvm)
[00:14] <draik> !sp | Fastre
[00:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sp - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:14] <draik> !es | Fastre
[00:14] <ubotu> Fastre: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[00:15] <lespea> Exploit: just try /usr/bin i think that'll work
[00:15] <lespea> Exploit: i believe it just needs to find the javac executable
[00:15] <Fastre> cenkiu
[00:15] <methods> why is my tty logins all out of wack ?
[00:16] <Exploit> in /bin are java things which looks like references to other files
[00:16] <methods> and why am i not authorized to run a dam x session
[00:17] <Exploit> in /lib is a directory called "java-6-sun-1.6.0.00"
[00:17] <NickPresta> Exploit, it's actually "java-6-sun-1.6.0.03" I believe
[00:18] <Exploit> in /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/lib there is a jexec
[00:18] <Exploit> okay thank you
[00:18] <NickPresta> Exploit, what seems to be your problem?
[00:18] <Dalehead> Hi.  Can someone help me with a NDISWRAPPER problem on KDE?  A friend got this working for me previously using Gnome, but i've spent 3 hours and got nowhere tonight
[00:19] <Dalehead> ideally a pointer to a step by step guide, i'm very new to this
[00:19] <Exploit> NickPresta: I dont know where my JDK directory is
[00:19] <Exploit> i got it with apt-get install java6
[00:20] <NickPresta> Exploit, why do you need to find your java-jdk directory?
[00:20] <Exploit> i want to install BlueJ (programm to write source code in java)
[00:21] <Exploit> and bluej needs it to use the compiler
[00:21] <Iradigalesc> Hello! Why Kopete opens by default all links with Konqueror? I've Firefox configured at setting to be the default web browser...
[00:22] <NickPresta> Exploit, and doing "java -jar bluej-220.jar" doesn't work?
[00:22] <Exploit> NickPresta: it does but the window after that wants the directory
[00:23] <tazgodx> i got a small problem. every now and then my desktop just decides it doesn't want to put a screen saver up, if i look at desktop settings it is supposed to come on, but still doesn't
[00:23] <tazgodx> anyone know of that kind of problem
[00:23] <tazgodx> ?
[00:24] <NickPresta> Exploit, I installed the 'j2sdk1.4' package and then ran 'java -jar blue-220.jar' and it autodetected my jdk directory. Do you have the j2sdk1.4 package?
[00:25] <Exploit> no i just made apt-get install java6
[00:25] <NickPresta> Exploit, try installing the 'j2sdk1.4' package
[00:25] <Exploit> sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre
[00:25] <Exploit> that was the line
[00:26] <Exploit> and 1.4 is out of date
[00:27] <NickPresta> Exploit, I'm aware you installed java6, just try installing the 'j2sdk1.4' package for me :)
[00:27] <Exploit> how to install the old one?
[00:27] <NickPresta> Exploit, no, having the java6 packages are fine
[00:27] <NickPresta> just run `sudo apt-get install j2sdk1.4'
[00:28] <NickPresta> and then try to install bluej again
[00:28] <NickPresta> and Exploit you should probably install bluej to /opt/ as that is what the directory is for.
[00:31] <ardchoille> NickPresta: Wait, /opt is for user-installed stuff?
[00:31] <Exploit> why /opt/ or do you mean /usr/opt?
[00:31] <tazgodx> Exploit: whats the problem  your having? bluejay not recognizeing the installed JSDK?
[00:32] <Exploit> whit jdk1.4 the installer found: /usr/lib/j2se/1.4
[00:32] <Exploit> tazgodx: the bluej found a directory now, but its 1.4
[00:32] <NickPresta> ardchoille, well, as far as I understand it, /opt/ is for optional binaries and such that aren't installed by the system
[00:33] <Exploit> and what about /opt as install folder..?
[00:33] <Exploit> i thought i should install bluej to /home/exploit/buej
[00:33] <Exploit> need it for public use (all users on this machine)
[00:34] <NickPresta> Exploit, you may, as you wish. It's ultimately your system; you're free to install stuff where ever you like. I like to keep binary packages out of my home directory (since I like to keep ~ clean) but you may not mind having bluej in your home.
[00:34] <ardchoille> NickPresta: Ah, ok, good to know.
[00:34] <NickPresta> ardchoille, http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#OPTADDONAPPLICATIONSOFTWAREPACKAGES
[00:35] <Exploit> NickPresta: idont want to have it in my /home first.. (want clean too)
[00:35] <Exploit> shoud i install it to /usr/opt?
[00:35] <NickPresta> Exploit, well, if it's installed to /opt, all users should be able to access it, providing they have permission
[00:37] <Exploit> NickPresta: thats what i want. is it /opt or /usr/opt?
[00:37] <NickPresta> Exploit, /opt. There is no /usr/opt by default, AFAIK
[00:38] <ardchoille> NickPresta: Nice link, ty
[00:39] <Exploit> NickPresta: ok its installed now :)
[00:40] <NickPresta> Exploit, good to hear.
[00:41] <Exploit> NickPresta: how can i update to the newest jdk now?
[00:42] <NickPresta> Exploit, hmm. Let me have a look
[00:42]  * Dr_Willis gets drafted to fight wth his wifes windows machine again... Argh.. wish me luck.. BBL.
[00:44] <georfrey> Hola alguien puede ayudarme, tengo problemas con compiz???
[00:45] <ardchoille> !es | georfrey
[00:45] <ubotu> georfrey: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[00:45] <georfrey> thanks
[00:51] <vsudilov> Could someone explain what the following C syntax means (var1 is a boolean, var2 and var3 are floats): while (!var1 && var2 < var3)
[00:53] <Nyle> hi there
[00:53] <LjL> vsudilov: this is not ##c, this is #kubuntu. and C doesn't have booleans. anyway, assuming var1 is an *integer*, it means that the loop will continue as long as var2 is smaller than var3 and var1==0
[00:54] <Nyle> I put a cdrom into my pc and kubuntu crashed and restarted by itself
[00:54] <Nyle> again I try to access the cdrom, and it goes kablooey
[00:54]  * Dr_Willis is thinking theres some issues going on in the automounting of cd's
[00:54] <Nyle> so far no problems, but it happened twice
[00:54] <vsudilov> ty LjL
[01:06] <nonewmsgs> how do i know if im using 64bit
[01:07] <Dr_Willis> what did you instrall? heh.
[01:07] <nonewmsgs> i put in a kubuntu cd
[01:07] <nonewmsgs> i have every version
[01:07] <Dr_Willis> i forget the command lsb_release -a   perhaps
[01:08] <NickPresta> Dr_Willis, nope
[01:08] <NickPresta> I tired that too :)
[01:08] <Dr_Willis> try uname -a
[01:08] <Dr_Willis>  i686 G = 32bit
[01:09] <nonewmsgs> cool i have the 64bit
[01:09] <Dr_Willis> or that may be bad.. :)
[01:09] <nonewmsgs> yes but on the computer it has it is good
[01:10] <romulo> good night room,
[01:10] <romulo> just have a question, since I've upgraded to ubuntu 7.10 the cds won't work
[01:10] <romulo> I get this message that says feature only available with hal
[01:11] <romulo> can anybody help me?
[01:11] <Dr_Willis> Seems theres been a lot of cd issues lately
[01:11] <romulo> Dr_Willis: yeap
[01:12] <nonewmsgs> ok here's an easy one.  i want to mount one drive (apparantly nothing is mounted by default).  so i go sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 and it tells me mount point /mnt/sda1 does not exist
[01:12] <NickPresta> nonewmsgs, did you mkdir /mnt/sda1?
[01:12] <nonewmsgs> thanks :D
[01:13] <IAmWill> how the hell do you start ssh on kubuntu
[01:13] <nonewmsgs> yeah it worked now thanks nickpresta
[01:13] <NickPresta> ssh
[01:13] <IAmWill> i know how to do it on gentoo... but this is crazy
[01:13] <IAmWill> just ssh?
[01:13] <IAmWill> thats it?
[01:13] <biovore> apt-get install openssh-server
[01:13] <biovore> if you want the server..
[01:13] <NickPresta> or openssh-client
[01:13] <IAmWill> no ssh start or /etc/init.d/sshd start?
[01:14] <NickPresta> IAmWill, the latter, I believe
[01:14] <biovore> well that apt-get install should start it automaticly..
[01:14] <biovore> else.. /etc/init.d/ssh start
[01:14] <biovore> as root
[01:14] <romulo> could somebody help me ?
[01:14] <romulo> I get this message that says feature only available with hal
[01:14] <romulo> when trying to mount a cd
[01:14] <IAmWill> thanks.. will try
[01:15] <sj> once you install openssh-server, it will automatically start once its downloaded as well as at boot
[01:15] <helmy_> hi all, i have a compaq c310 laptop with builtin conexant hd sound card when i mute the sound the kmix shows mute icon but sound is high and not changes
[01:15] <Dr_Willis> right click on the kmix icon. i think thees a setting to select which 'mixer' its controlling - it may be contrilling the wrong one
[01:23] <helmy_> you mean select master channel or what?
[01:26] <nonewmsgs> helmy i bet it has to do with asoundconf
[01:26] <nonewmsgs> type it in konsole/terminal and you can select which
[01:28] <innovati> hey all, ive just installed Kubuntu on my iMac.  I have no sound, porr screen resolution  and I was wondering if there was a tutorial or iMac-specific installation instructions on how to fix this post-intall
[01:28] <nonewmsgs> i dont know any imac specifics but i can try to help you with your screen
[01:29] <innovati> I more worried about sound lol
[01:29] <innovati> I have the new 20 inch imac
[01:29] <nonewmsgs> do you know what sound card you have
[01:29] <innovati> um.... not off-hand, it should be on the apple websites specs tho
[01:29] <innovati> downloading firefox atm
[01:29] <nonewmsgs> sure ill look it up
[01:32] <nonewmsgs> wait.  can you just type lspci.  i'm having a rough time finding the scard model online.  i have seen some stats/pics and it does look sweet
[01:33] <innovati> haha okays
[01:33] <innovati> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
[01:34] <nonewmsgs> and there was no sound with the livecd either, right
[01:34] <innovati> nipe
[01:35] <nonewmsgs> have you tried using asoundconf
[01:35] <nonewmsgs> try setting and unsetting pulseaudio
[01:35] <innovati> I hadn nor do I understand it
[01:35] <nonewmsgs> ok let's do it togeher
[01:35] <nonewmsgs> start up a konsole window
[01:35] <innovati> in there
[01:36] <nonewmsgs> asoundconf list
[01:36] <innovati> Intel is listed as available
[01:36] <nonewmsgs> asoundconf set-default-card (and exactly how it was written)
[01:37] <innovati> done
[01:37] <nonewmsgs> now try maxing out the volume and see if that helped at all
[01:39] <innovati> hmm, when i play a song is says device is busy
[01:39] <nonewmsgs> try an audio cd
[01:39] <innovati> um.....
[01:39] <Zyklon-B> hey I just installed kubuntu 7.10 and when I try to donwload something firefox crashes... is it something usual or?
[01:39] <innovati> I don't know if I have any of those here
[01:40] <innovati> found one
[01:40] <Jester45> Zyklon-B: i would say that would not be a usual thing or else the package mantainer would be in trouble
[01:41] <innovati> device is busy when I try to play a CD
[01:41] <[Relic]> no plain svn for kubuntu?
[01:41] <vzduch> as far as I seen Gutsy ships w/ 2.0.0.8 atm.. 2.0.0.9 was released Thursday or so
[01:41] <vzduch> perhaps it's a bug in that version
[01:41] <innovati> brb, gonna log out and in agains
[01:42] <mdumoulin> Zyklon-B: strange.. how do you try to download something?
[01:42] <Zyklon-B> just normaly, no floashgot or another thing
[01:42] <Zyklon-B> just a tarbal from sourceforge.net
[01:43] <Zyklon-B> but it happens in other things too
[01:43] <mdumoulin> aah ok... well, i dont know ;-/
[01:44] <mike-kubuntu> ok, since i installed a different video card, 7600 to 8600 upgrade, the progress bar doesnt show up when booting or shutting down the computer. the screen acts as though its recieving no video output
[01:45] <nonewmsgs> mike that is a common bug.  i think you have to put a vga= code into grub
[01:45] <rhythmicmayhem> What can I do to prevent "Runtime error 216 at some-memory-address" when exiting a Windows based program in Wine.  I am running wine-0.9.46 on Kubuntu Gusty. This error did not appear in previous installs of Kubuntu/Wine
[01:46] <mike-kubuntu> nonewmsgs: thanks
[01:46] <nonewmsgs> mike do you want more instructions or is that good enough
[01:46] <innovati> back
[01:46] <nonewmsgs> is that good or bad
[01:47] <mike-kubuntu> rhythmicmayhem: downgrade wine probably or check on winehq. lots of times upgrades break programs because different versions of windows interperet the api differently and a fix for one program under xp might break a program made for 98
[01:47] <rhythmicmayhem> mike-kubuntu: Thanks
[01:47] <mike-kubuntu> nonewmsgs: i'm gonna try a search on the forums, theres probably more info there, thanks for the tip
[01:48] <rhythmicmayhem> blarney
[01:49] <innovati> how do I figure out my screen, sound stil not working but screen is annoying me
[01:49] <rhythmicmayhem> oops .. sorry ... typeing in wrong window ...
[01:49] <mike-kubuntu> innovati, whats wrong with your screen/sound?
[01:50] <landley> Does Knetworkmanager work in Ubuntu 7.10 for anyone else?
[01:50] <innovati> iMac, 20 inch screen.  native resolution of 1650x1080 and I'm at 1400x1050 and it's distorted
[01:50] <innovati> no 3D either
[01:50] <landley> It says I have no network cards.
[01:50] <innovati> no sound
[01:50] <landley> Since I'm on here, having ifconfigged from the command line, this is probably wrong.
[01:51] <BluesKaj> innovati, what sound card?
[01:51] <innovati> Intel
[01:52] <innovati> right now I've got really messed up colours, I'm gonna hafta do something quick lol
[01:52] <mike-kubuntu> sorry abou the lots of questions innovati: what type of video card?
[01:52] <innovati> um.... ATI HD something
[01:53] <nonewmsgs> innovati actually i thought it said nvidia in the specs i saw?
[01:53] <BluesKaj> innovati, have you tried to reconfigure your graphics hardware in system settings
[01:53] <innovati> I have and it made my colour depth go psychedelic colours
[01:53] <innovati> I can barely naviagate
[01:53] <mike-kubuntu> innovati: install fglrx via the restricted-driver-manager, its in system settings -> advanced -> restricted driver manager
[01:53] <innovati> http://www.apple.com/ca/imac/specs.html
[01:54] <innovati> my hardware does not need any restricted drivers it tells me
[01:54] <mike-kubuntu> innovati: i used to know what to dofor the screen resolution, but they moved where its stored, used to be a section in /etc/X11/xorg.conf for screen resolutions, check around online, maybe they will link you to where it moved
[01:54] <mike-kubuntu> innovati: weird, try apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[01:55] <mike-kubuntu> innovati: then check in the restricted drivers again
[01:55] <juan_> hi, all! is there an application to change the look of the panel?
[01:55] <innovati> I can't eject the audio CD I ut in to replace it with the kubuntu CD, this is a slot-loading drive and I can't manually ejet it
[01:56] <innovati> lol sudo eject cdrom wrked
[01:57] <k5ubuntu> i need help istalling opera on kubuntu
[01:58] <innovati> okay, I installed it
[01:58] <k5ubuntu> you did innovati?
[01:58] <innovati> it does not list anything in the restricted drivers manager bbecause it claims my hardware does not need any restricted drivers
[01:59] <nonewmsgs> k5ubuntu why can't you install it? isn't there a .deb at opera.com
[01:59] <Lam_> where does kmenuedit save its configuration file?
[01:59] <innovati> I'm a former kubuntu user I just got an Imac a month ago to replace my 7 year old kubuntu box and I never imagine having this much trouble on such modern hardware
[01:59] <BluesKaj> innovati, check for the restricted driver in the advanced tab in system settings, but you have to relogin first
[01:59] <innovati> ah, brb then
[01:59] <k5ubuntu> yes but
[01:59] <k5ubuntu> i dont know how to install it
[02:00] <nonewmsgs> k5ubuntu download the ubuntu one and basically double click and it should install real easy
[02:00] <kristjans> operating system not found -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=602064
[02:01] <k5ubuntu> waot
[02:01] <k5ubuntu> wait
[02:01] <mike-kubuntu> nonewmsgs: do you have a link to a post with the problem, i keep getting thrown off by people runing into the usplash resolution bug
[02:01] <nonewmsgs> mike i thought that was the same thing
[02:01] <nonewmsgs> mike it also affects the shutdown thing
[02:02] <mike-kubuntu> nonewmsgs: neg, with that you just have to change the resolution on the usplsash and update it, mine its like the vga mode isn't working with my video card, it doesn't slow down anything though
[02:02] <nonewmsgs> my bad :(
[02:02] <k5ubuntu> ok nonewmsgs i downloaded in now what?
[02:02] <vzduch> k5ubuntu: it should be in some repo
[02:02] <nonewmsgs> now open the file normally (double click)
[02:03] <mike-kubuntu> nonewmsgs: it sounds like the vga thing might be a big help though, i just cant find anything on it? do you remember where you found it?
[02:03] <landley> Does anybody know why Konqueror refuses to connect to any websites, despite networking working just fine in firefox?
[02:03] <landley> It says "could not connect to host".
[02:03] <k5ubuntu> lol
[02:03] <landley> It seems like the dns lookup worked ok, but the http helper thingy didn't.
[02:04] <landley> I don't know if this is related to knetworkmanager thinking I have no network cards, or if it's a separate issue.
[02:04] <vzduch> k5ubuntu: sudo apt-get install opera
[02:04] <vzduch> !info opera
[02:04] <ubotu> Package opera does not exist in gutsy
[02:04] <landley> (Networking works just fine if I iwconfig and ifconfig everything from the command line...)
[02:04] <mike-kubuntu> brb
[02:05] <vzduch> k5ubuntu: it's in the partners repo
[02:05] <landley> Maybe has something to do with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knetworkmanager/+bug/86680
[02:06] <kristjans> Operating system not found -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=602064
[02:06] <underdog5004> is there a way for sshfs to follow symlinks?
[02:06] <k5ubuntu> lol were vzduch
[02:07] <mike-kubuntu> hmm, my kdesu isn't working
[02:07] <Lam_> !kdesu
[02:07] <ubotu> In KDE, use « kdesudo <program> » (Gutsy) or « kdesu <program> » (Feisty and earlier) to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)
[02:08] <vzduch> k5ubuntu:
[02:08] <vzduch> ## 'partner' repository. This software is not part of Ubuntu, but is
[02:08] <vzduch> ## offered by Canonical and the respective vendors as a service to Ubuntu
[02:08] <vzduch> ## users.
[02:08] <vzduch> it's in the sources.list, only needs to be enabled
[02:09] <kristjans> Operating system not found -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=602064
[02:10] <zach> what's a good email program?
[02:10] <vzduch> you decide
[02:10] <zach> indeed, i don't know any
[02:11] <mike-kubuntu> brb
[02:11] <vzduch> KMail, Thunderbird, Evolution, Sylpheed(-Claws), mutt... there's a lot of choice
[02:12] <zach> thunderbird works on linux?
[02:13] <underdog5004> zach: natively
[02:13] <zach> ^_^
[02:13] <zach> silly me
[02:13] <underdog5004> lol
[02:13] <zach> firefox works on linux
[02:13] <zach> <3 ff
[02:13] <zach> <3 mozilla
[02:14] <schiste> hey
[02:14] <schiste> does anyone knows what configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH means ?
[02:14] <schiste> I've got gcc and so on installed
[02:14] <underdog5004> schiste: you may need to install build-essential
[02:14] <schiste> and ech &PATH give me
[02:14] <schiste> underdog5004:  I have it ;)
[02:14] <purpleposeidon> What happens when stuff breaks during upgrades: Ubuntu Futsy Fibbin'!
[02:14] <underdog5004> no more ideas...sorry
[02:16] <schiste> Hmmm that's really weird
[02:16] <Fade2Blac> hey is there a way for you to download the certificate for a enterprise wlan, when i try to connect to my schools wlan it will not let me because it sends out a certificate when you try to connect to it
[02:16] <schiste> gcc = unavailable command -_-
[02:18] <rhythmicmayhem> Is there a way to downgrade to a different version of a package using adept manager - I am having a time finding documentation on adeptdocumentation
[02:18] <nonewmsgs> is there a way to not advertise my ip whenever i login without using a proxy
[02:20] <Dr_Willis> !iso
[02:20] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type « sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint> » - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[02:21] <schiste> do you see anything wrong in these:
[02:21] <schiste> schiste@schiste-laptop:~$ printenv PATH
[02:21] <schiste> /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin
[02:21] <schiste> Or at least something missing
[02:23] <Lam_> is there a way to change the % change in volume for each tick on the volume dial of my keyboard?
[02:23] <vzduch> schiste: do you have build-essential installed?
[02:23] <schiste> As I said above, I do :)
[02:24] <vzduch> schiste: you said 'gcc and so on'..
[02:24] <schiste> He also asked me about that iirc
[02:24] <schiste> anyway, yes I have it
[02:25] <schiste> and just removed/installed it
[02:25] <schiste> But I do think there's something wrong with my &PATH
[02:25] <schiste> but can't see what :(
[02:26] <vzduch> nothing I can see atm either
[02:26] <underdog5004> schiste: it's identical to mine
[02:26] <schiste> Hmmm
[02:26] <underdog5004> except I've also got /usr/games, but I doubt that's the problem
[02:26] <schiste> That's pretty weird
[02:29] <spine55> Does anyone know how to change the default console font?
[02:31] <Dr_Willis> consolechars -f somefontname
[02:31] <Dr_Willis> its set by a confg file in /etc/console*  i belive
[02:32] <DevideZer> why there isnt kubuntu server ?
[02:32] <vzduch> DevideZer: ?
[02:32] <DevideZer> http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition
[02:33] <Dr_Willis> well... lets think about that...
[02:33] <Dr_Willis> the server editions dont have X or the desktop.
[02:33] <DevideZer> why no ?
[02:33] <Dr_Willis>  the only real idfferance betweek Kubuntu and Ubuntu Is  the default Desktop
[02:33] <vzduch> because they mostly don't need any
[02:33] <Dr_Willis> Sort of the point of the 'server' edition - is the lackof the Desktop :)
[02:34] <Dr_Willis> and a very slim set of packages. letting the server admin add what he really needs
[02:34] <DevideZer> so how the admin should control the seerver ?
[02:35] <Dr_Willis> The same way admins have been doing it for years..
[02:35] <Dr_Willis> with the shell
[02:35] <vzduch> s/years/decades/
[02:35] <DevideZer> and if he dont want\know to use commands its more primitive
[02:35] <Dr_Willis> eons, epochs. :)
[02:36] <Dr_Willis> if a server admin dosent know how to do that.. then he really should be looking for a different job.
[02:36] <Dr_Willis> or doing a lot of reading. :)
[02:36] <vzduch> Dr_Willis: or use Winblows Server :D
[02:37] <ignoramus> Anyone know where installed .deb packages go?
[02:37] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. the .deb file itself? or the contents of the .deb ?
[02:37] <nonewmsgs>  or install xfce
[02:37] <andrej> Hi ... we're running 7.04, with the ubuntu/nvidia drivers installed.  tvtime complains about "no XVIDEO port installed" , stuff about YUY2 and requiring the binary drivers.  Donwloaded the latest NVIDIA drivers, but they don't like the current kernel because they can't see the kernel-source.  How do I work this?
[02:38] <ignoramus> Dr_Willis: So- we meet again ;)  I installed a game (openmortal) with the .deb package, and i have no idea where the executable file went
[02:38] <andrej> 2.6.20-16-lowlatency
[02:38] <ignoramus> Dr_willis: I checked the files the package installer created, but there were mostly txt and sh files
[02:40] <BigDaddy> Evening all. I just realized that my drives are not showing up on my destop until I automount something (camera, CD-ROM). Any one ever have this problem?
[02:40] <vzduch> BigDaddy: that's not a problem, that's a feature :)
[02:40] <BigDaddy> vzduch: you are kidding right?
[02:41] <vzduch> BigDaddy: no
[02:41] <ignoramus> Also, completely unrelated question: Will my clock on 7.10 change for daylight savings tonight?
[02:41] <BigDaddy> vzduch: is there a way I can change it back to the way it was in 7.04?
[02:41] <vzduch> ignoramus: it did in Europe, so why wouldn't it in North America? :)
[02:41] <Dr_Willis> ignoramus fire up the package manager tool search for that game and see what files it installed where..  is one way
[02:41] <ignoramus> vzduch: good enough :)
[02:42] <Dr_Willis> Why would a drive show up - when it dosent exist?
[02:42] <vzduch> ignoramus: we already changed back last week
[02:42] <ignoramus> dr_willis: what do you mean "package manager tool search" ... ?
[02:42] <andrej> How would a DVD drive not exist when it doesn't have a medium?
[02:42] <Dr_Willis> ignoramus pick one.,. adept. synaptic, ect...
[02:42] <ignoramus> dr_willis: k... lemme see...
[02:42] <Dr_Willis> or try the Konqueror apt://  address feature
[02:43] <Dr_Willis> andresj thats a very 'zen' question. :)
[02:43] <andrej> heh
[02:43] <andrej> not really ... :}
[02:43] <vzduch> ignoramus: and rumour has it that it might have been the last daylight time period over here.. the European Commission is investigating whether it really has economical advantages to switch hours twice a year..
[02:44] <andrej> vzduch : about time.  daylight saving saves nothing as far as 'm concerned.
[02:44] <andrej> just confuses my sleeping patterns
[02:44] <vzduch> mine too
[02:45] <andrej> Has anyone with an NVIDIA card got tvtime working in buntu?
[02:45] <andrej> If so - how did they do it? ;D
[02:46] <ignoramus> dr_willis: aha! Adept tells me that the install installs "data files and base characters"... so I don't actually have an executable, right?
[02:46] <andrej> How do I get a source package for my kernel that matches 2.6.20-16-lowlatency
[02:46] <ignoramus> dr_willis: the largest files it created were .dat files for the characters
[02:46] <BigDaddy> seriously people, how do I get my drives on the desktop all the time?
[02:46] <vzduch> andrej: by installing kernel-source, I guess
[02:46] <DevideZer> when kubuntu will support media (wma,avi,mp3,mms) like ubuntu or mandriva ?
[02:46] <vzduch> BigDaddy: why?
[02:47] <khirr> can u tell me what is the next resolution after 1280x1024?
[02:47] <andrej> Did that... gave me linux-source-2.6.20
[02:47] <andrej> doesn't quite match 2.6.20-16-lowlatency
[02:47] <andrej> no such package available
[02:47] <ignoramus> bigdaddy: what drives exactly do you want on the desktop?  ubuntu doesn't by default, and neither does windows- it's not really necessary or even handy
[02:48] <BigDaddy> vzduch: because I want to have one click access to them. One drive for photos and music, one for my XP partition, one for my linux partition
[02:48] <hydrogen> kubuntu does by default
[02:48] <hydrogen> when they are availible they show up there
[02:48] <BigDaddy> 7.04 had the drives on the desktop. it was an option. I have mine turned on.
[02:48] <ignoramus> bigdaddy: you have three separate HDDs?
[02:48] <hydrogen> DevideZer: it does..?
[02:49] <BigDaddy> ignoramus: I have 4, I have /home on it's own
[02:49] <andrej> *sigh* ... of course.  I don't want the source tree - just the headers
[02:49] <andrej> Thanks everyone :}
[02:49] <ignoramus> devidezer: install automatix2 and you can download free codecs.  I would also say non-free, but that would be wrong to do ;)
[02:50] <draik> !upgrade
[02:50] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[02:50] <hydrogen> automatix--
[02:50] <hydrogen> theres no need to install it
[02:50] <hydrogen> all codecs are availible
[02:50] <DevideZer> ignoramus , 1) also with firefox ? 2) why wrong todo ?
[02:50] <ardchoille> ignoramus: Please do not recommend automatix, it's dangerous
[02:50] <BigDaddy> I wouldn't use automatix, I have heard upgrade nightmares
[02:50] <hydrogen> DevideZer: whats not working?
[02:50] <vzduch> ignoramus: don't recommend automatix
[02:50] <hydrogen> automatix is a nightbear
[02:50] <BigDaddy> lol, good to see I am not the only one
[02:51] <andrej> Good (insert appropriate time), everyone ... tea time
[02:51] <vzduch> you can use the automatix repo if you think it fit, but DON'T use the program
[02:51] <DevideZer> hydrogen , can you see this ? http://yes.walla.co.il/?w=2/7802/1188018
[02:51] <ignoramus> that's what everyone says, but when i first installed kubuntu (it was on feisty), and i never had it break anything
[02:51] <ardchoille> !worksforme | ignoramus
[02:51] <ubotu> ignoramus: Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/
[02:52] <ignoramus> ardchoille: what does the newest incarnation of automatix2 actually break?
[02:52] <sonoftheclayr> Hi all, I'm having trouble loading the glx module, it's in xorg.conf but when I startx it says the module could not be found and that I should try reinstalling the nvidia drivers, I haven't done that yet but I might try it next. Discuss.
[02:52] <hydrogen> DevideZer: I'm not sure what I'm supposed to see..?
[02:52] <ardchoille> ignoramus: This is not the place for this. We are not to recommend automatix, plain and simple.
[02:53] <DevideZer> hydrogen , this is video
[02:53] <DevideZer> can you see it with ff ?
[02:53] <ignoramus> ardchoille: i didn't realize we had that rule. if this is the case, I will not mention it again
[02:53] <hydrogen> even if the plan for hardy is to possibly integrate automatix..
[02:53] <hydrogen> but thats another story!
[02:53] <Dr_Willis> From what ive seen of Gutsy - its made automatix rather  un-needed
[02:53] <hydrogen> DevideZer: no, but I tend to not install video stuff in my internet browser because 90% of it is spam
[02:54] <ardchoille> Dr_Willis: Indeed
[02:54] <ignoramus> hydrogen: i just read that on fscked - i don't see it as a big issue
[02:54] <hydrogen> ignoramus: neither do I
[02:54] <hydrogen> as long as its fixed
[02:54] <DevideZer> hydrogen , :(
[02:54] <hydrogen> before hand
[02:54] <hydrogen> which I'd assume it will be
[02:55] <ardchoille> !automatix
[02:55] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a 3rd-party product attempting to automate installation of additional software. When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it. A technical analysis from a Debian/Ubuntu developer can be found at http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (See also: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[02:56] <DevideZer> ardchoille , "we don't provide support for it" so what i need todo ?
[02:56] <ignoramus> ardchoille: isn't 99% of linux software 3rd party apps that can potentially screw you???
[02:56] <ardchoille> DevideZer: Did you install automatix?
[02:57] <DevideZer> im not in linux atm but i will
[02:57] <ardchoille> ignoramus: When in this channel we are expected to abide by its rules.. whether we agree with those rules or not. Automatix in  a no-no here.
[02:57] <DevideZer> automatix isnt oss S?
[02:57] <BigDaddy> I also just realized there is no home icon on the desktop
[02:57] <ardchoille> DevideZer: Please don't use automatix or you may end up reinstalling your os
[02:57] <ignoramus> ardchoille: what about easyubuntu?
[02:58] <ardchoille> !easyubuntu | ignoramus
[02:58] <ubotu> ignoramus: easyubuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ - For help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu
[02:58] <DevideZer> ardchoille , why ?
[02:59] <Dr_Willis> Last i looked Automatix was not OSS and the 'author' was a bit of a hard person to 'get along with' :)
[02:59] <ardchoille> ignoramus: Those scripts are, in my opinion, worthless. It's much better to learn how to do things yourself rather than have someone's unsupported script do it for you. If something breaks, you are better equipped to fix it yourself if you learned how to do things to begin with.
[02:59] <ardchoille> !automatix | DevideZer
[02:59] <Dr_Willis> There was a detailed review/dissection of automatix on some web site.. it had some very very very bad  programing  issues. :)
[02:59] <ubotu> DevideZer: Automatix2 is a 3rd-party product attempting to automate installation of additional software. When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it. A technical analysis from a Debian/Ubuntu developer can be found at http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (See also: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[03:00] <hydrogen> !topic
[03:00] <ubotu> Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[03:00] <hydrogen> !ot
[03:00] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[03:00] <Dr_Willis> thats the Url there.. a good read.
[03:00] <ignoramus> ardchoille: agreed, but I know when i first started with linux, there were certain programs I used that gave me fully-working media within minutes
[03:00] <DevideZer> ardchoille , so to install it or not ?
[03:00] <ardchoille> DevideZer: Please don't use automatix.
[03:00] <Dr_Willis> Kubuntu-restricted-extras   --- Is a meta package - that installs Most all the 'restricted' media/java/other bits - that people commonly want/need
[03:01] <Dr_Willis> so  for me 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras' replaces anything Automatix  would do for me. :)
[03:01] <DevideZer> ardchoille , so how i can see media mms ?
[03:01] <Dr_Willis> But that package dosent get mentioned Much.
[03:01] <ardchoille> DevideZer: Which type of media?
[03:02] <ardchoille> !restricted
[03:02] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:02] <ardchoille> DevideZer: ^^
[03:02] <ignoramus> devidezer: thats one issue with kubuntu (and linux in general), is that getting media support and codecs can be tricky
[03:02] <DevideZer> ardchoille , can you see this : http://yes.walla.co.il/?w=1/7022/1186713
[03:02] <Dr_Willis> Of course  media support under windows can be JUST as bad.. and 100x as dangerous. :)
[03:02] <ardchoille> DevideZer: What is that?
[03:02] <ignoramus> devidezer: once you get them all, it is a great experience, IMHO
[03:03] <Dr_Willis> Friend had to do a reinstall of XP when WMP11  was told 'yes' to 'automaticially install codec'   :) moral is - DONT install codecs for porn from Russian web sites...
[03:03] <DevideZer> ardchoille , video embeddded
[03:03] <ardchoille> DevideZer: I don't use video
[03:03] <ignoramus> I like installing russian porn from codec sites :)
[03:04] <Dr_Willis> ignoramus yep.. he told me..  'as soon as i clicked on OK' I knew i was  Totally Dead....  '
[03:04] <Dr_Willis> :)
[03:04] <DevideZer> ardchoille , what this mean ?
[03:04] <Dr_Willis> we never did get all the spyware off.
[03:04] <ignoramus> dr_willis: what the heck was he expecting???
[03:05] <ignoramus> Dr_willis: did you tell him to install Linux?
[03:06] <ardchoille> DevideZer: if it isn't in the official repos, I don't install it.
[03:06] <Dr_Willis> ignoramus thats on his other HD. :) so he was able to recover his files.. then reinstall
[03:06] <DevideZer> firefox is int the official repos ..  .
[03:06] <ardchoille> Could be why I've never had any major problems in any distro I've used.
[03:07] <ignoramus> Dr_willis: he was one of the lucky ones...
[03:07] <DevideZer> Dr_Willis , can you see this video in the page with firefox ?
[03:07] <ignoramus> devidezer: please link to another site containing video
[03:07] <ardchoille> DevideZer: Firefox is in the official repos, but I use Konqueror
[03:07] <Dr_Willis> DevideZer i never watch video Inside the browser  - normally
[03:08] <DevideZer> ignoramus , why , what is wrong with this one ?
[03:08] <kevman_> Hi, I have been trying for years to get a USB WLAN NIC working, and now Ubuntu is working with it. I can ping google.com and sign on AIM through kopete, but konqueror refuses to go to any websites.
[03:08] <DevideZer> Dr_Willis , but the media is embeded ...
[03:08] <ignoramus> devidezer: i'm not sure... maybe try one more recognizable to average users
[03:08] <Dr_Willis> DevideZer there are video-grabber extensions for firefox. :)
[03:09] <ardchoille> ignoramus: Is that video he linked to a flash video?
[03:09] <DevideZer> ignoramus , its very average . . . just avideo what is wrong ?
[03:09] <DevideZer> Dr_Willis , try to grab video from this page http://yes.walla.co.il/?w=1/7027/1186704
[03:10] <ignoramus> ardchoille: not sure ... takes forever to load, but it looks suspect
[03:10] <ardchoille> I don't recognise the link, which is why I didn't click on it
[03:10] <ignoramus> devidezer: why do you need others to look at video for you???
[03:11] <Dr_Willis> DevideZer im not in a Linux Desktop at the moment.
[03:11] <DevideZer> ignoramus , i dont need , i just want to know if other can see the video in kubuntu because i  cant so i need someone to tell me how
[03:11] <ignoramus> Devidezer: what's wrong with YouTube or any other well-known site that uses embedded Flash?
[03:12] <Dr_Willis> youtube works for me on Kubuntu :)
[03:12] <ardchoille> me too
[03:12] <Dr_Willis> stage6 does also.
[03:12] <ignoramus> me three
[03:12] <DevideZer> flash works . . . for me but there is also MMS .. . i want to be able to view it
[03:12] <Dr_Willis> mms ?
[03:12] <ardchoille> what is mms?
[03:12] <Dr_Willis> thats what shoutcast uses?
[03:12] <DevideZer> microsoft media stream
[03:12] <hydrogen> windows media stream
[03:12] <Creationist> For some reason, Gutsy will no longer let me lock my session... choose "Lock Session" and nothing happens.
[03:13] <Dr_Willis> Cant say that ive ever seen a mms stream then
[03:13] <hydrogen> I /think/ mplayerplug-in can play it
[03:13] <Dr_Willis> hydrogen Hmm.. that does sound familer. :)
[03:14] <vzduch> hydrogen: VLC can play it
[03:14] <ignoramus> i believe xine can play mms streams as well
[03:14] <DevideZer> vzduch , vlc plugin for firefox ?
[03:14] <ignoramus> VLC should be installed regardless- it's pretty darn good
[03:14] <ignoramus> devidezer: just install the standalone
[03:15] <hydrogen> but
[03:15] <hydrogen> the point is
[03:15] <vzduch> DevideZer: I think such a thing exists.. the stand-alone player can in any case
[03:15] <hydrogen> he wants to be able to view the media without the browser
[03:15] <hydrogen> I think mplayerplug-in can
[03:15] <ignoramus> devidezer: mplayer is good too
[03:15] <DevideZer> what is stand alone ?
[03:15] <ignoramus> devidezer: not a browser plugin- it is it's own program
[03:16] <DevideZer> ignoramus , so when the page is load the play is self open and the video start ?
[03:17] <ignoramus> devidezer: ideally, yes.  Your browser should ask how you want to open the file, point it to the program of your choice, and voila
[03:17] <t00lzf0nt> DevideZer: vlc plugin mplayer plugin and sometimes totem plugin will all play via the browser embedded
[03:17] <ignoramus> devidezer: type this in konsole:  sudo apt-get install vlc
[03:17] <t00lzf0nt> with mplayer you can right click and save the video
[03:17] <t00lzf0nt> stream
[03:18] <DevideZer> also for firefox ?
[03:18] <ignoramus> t00lzf0nt: i think with mms, the browser cannot handle it, so it asks what program to use (... i think)
[03:19] <t00lzf0nt> I use mms in my browser
[03:19] <ignoramus> i stand corrected :/
[03:19] <ignoramus> t00lzf0nt: you can configure your browsers mimetypes, however
[03:20] <t00lzf0nt> hmm bad example,
[03:21] <motty> Ok I'm a n00b  and need some help, I have the latest (7.10) live cde and I want to install it on my exisiting linux partion, but it keeps wanting to  install on my windoze part, how do I work around this?
[03:22] <vzduch> motty: choose custom partitioning and make your existing partition / (the root directory)
[03:22] <slimjimflim> anyone know how to make windows stick to one desktop in the taskbar using pager?
[03:22] <motty> I tried that and it told me "error not root partion"
[03:22] <motty> I'm  using to harddrives
[03:22] <motty> two
[03:23] <Dr_Willis> motty you want to replace your existing linux install?
[03:23] <motty> yes, I am using mepis 6.5
[03:23] <Dr_Willis> motty you dont plan on keeping any of the linux data/home dirs do you?
[03:23] <motty> and I want to over write it with kubutu 7.10
[03:24] <motty> I know I have to over write the root thats ok
[03:24] <motty> nope
[03:24] <motty> thats a debian distro and not compatible
[03:24] <Dr_Willis> motty you could just delete the existing linux paritions. leaving part of the hd 'unallocated' and tell the installer to use the unallocated space. it should partition/set it all up automaticially then.
[03:24] <contrast83> Mepis uses Ubuntu's repos, doesn't it?
[03:24] <Dr_Willis> contrast83 not any more
[03:24] <t00lzf0nt> hmmm, ok appearently you need to hack your mplayer plugin, so i consider myself wrong for that one
[03:25] <motty> it uses ubuntu and debin
[03:25] <vzduch> contrast83: Mepis 6.5 does
[03:25] <contrast83> Oh ok. I was gonna suggest a dselect-upgrade, but I guess that won't work.
[03:25] <spawn57> they switched back to debian,
[03:25] <Dr_Willis> I think Mepis was went ubuntu,, then the dev. got mad.. so went back to  Debian
[03:25] <vzduch> 7.0 switched back to Debian for the base
[03:25] <motty> yep mepis 7 is full debian
[03:25] <nonewmsgs> my grub and i are having issues.  with the drives in the same order as when i installed kubuntu, it automatically started windows and didnt give me te grub menu.  if i flip the first 2 hds, i get the grub menu and windows entry still starts, BUT ubuntu doesnt.  there are 5 hard drives.  3 sata and 2 pata
[03:26] <wilson_> does seem kind of pointless having debian AND k/u/x buntu
[03:26] <motty> I tried that  as well Dr is still gave me "not root partion error" I even checked the CD to make sure it was not defective
[03:26] <motty> it's wierd
[03:27] <nonewmsgs> nevermind.  supergrub "fixed it" and now i get a grub error 15
[03:27] <contrast83> nonewmsgs: You might try the SuperGRUB cd; just put them back in the same order as when you installed Kubuntu and that should put GRUB back on your MBR.
[03:27] <Dr_Willis> motty Hmm.. you  Might need to reboot after deleting the partitions.
[03:27] <contrast83> Oh, heh. nm then
[03:28] <motty> I'm using a 20 gig partion and a 5 gig swap (I know I don't need it that large  but thats how it ended up)
[03:28] <nonewmsgs> contrast that didnt work and im not very good with supergrub.  i hate how boot options always use UUIDs
[03:28] <motty> so use qpart and  delete  the current linux partions?
[03:29] <motty> then reboot
[03:29] <Dr_Willis> be sure you apply the changes when you edit them :)
[03:29] <contrast83> nonewmsgs: I'm not really sure then. Do you have / and /home on seperate partitions?
[03:29] <amir_> guys, I have peoblem to connect to a WPA network. Cccan any one help?
[03:29] <nonewmsgs> on seperate drives
[03:29] <motty> no
[03:30] <motty> same drives
[03:30] <vzduch> motty: is it even possible to create 5 GB swap space? o0
[03:30] <vzduch> for most applications a maximum of 1 GB is enough
[03:30] <ignoramus> amir_: is your wireless card being detected?
[03:30] <nonewmsgs> vzduch without manually playing with partitions it gave me a 5gb one.  since i have 2gb of ram
[03:30] <motty> thats whats so  wired about it, mandriva and mepis have no problem  but the ubuntu distros freak out
[03:30] <contrast83> nonewmsgs: You might just want to reinstall then. Do you know how to dselect-upgrade?
[03:31] <motty> I have 3 different ubuntu distos and all of them do the same thing
[03:31] <nonewmsgs> sigh.  this isnt a new problem.  i have installed it before and had this happen
[03:32] <nonewmsgs> so basically you're telling me to trial and error the 5 drives in bios and keep reinstalling until one time grub is happy?
[03:32] <contrast83> That's not exactly what I meant. I didn't know this was a recurring issue.
[03:33] <contrast83> Have you filed a bug report?
[03:33] <nonewmsgs> it's an issue with the way grub handles sata and pata.  it's in a different order than bios
[03:33] <nonewmsgs> or even linux
[03:33] <contrast83> So that's a no?
[03:34] <nonewmsgs> i posted in the forums a month or 3 ago and got no response
[03:34] <contrast83> http://www.launchpad.net
[03:35] <contrast83> Sorry, man. I don't know what else to suggest.
[03:35] <vzduch> motty: if you think *buntu is strange in this respect, try Fedora *duck*
[03:35] <motty> well, I like mepis but is old, I want some new things but everytime I try toi update parts of it it breaks
[03:36] <nonewmsgs> supergrub will let me boot linux directly, but if i ever hit a regular menu, i'm screwed
[03:36] <motty> all I want is destop weather for gosh sakes, that and all my mouse buttons to work
[03:36] <nonewmsgs> what might be convienant is if i could just install grub and then do a trial and error that way
[03:36] <lordofthepigs> Hello! Is there a way I can change the color of the Crystal window decorations
[03:37] <lordofthepigs> I'd like my title bar to be a darker blue than the default
[03:37] <Dr_Willis> extra mouse buttons? yea - i use those.. for grenades and medpacks in Quake. :)
[03:37] <motty> or zoom and grapple in nexuiz
[03:37] <Dr_Willis> The  Gentoo Wiki/Guides have a lot of good info/example xorg.conf entrys for the various Uber-Mice that exist
[03:37] <nonewmsgs> if i delete the mbr in supergrub and reinstall it there, would that work
[03:38] <contrast83> nonewmsgs: Have you tried putting /boot on a seperate partition?
[03:38] <lordofthepigs> there doesn't seem to be any configuration option for that in "system settings => appearance => window decorations"
[03:38] <nonewmsgs> interesting idea
[03:38] <contrast83> That seems to help for some people. Not sure if it'd be relevant in your situation though.
[03:38] <motty> the weird thing is, I got them all working (9 on razor  diamodback) but now it doesn't work the same way
[03:39] <Dr_Willis> Ill stay with my MX518 :)
[03:39]  * vzduch has been keeping /boot separate for a while now, no problems yet
[03:39] <contrast83> nonewmsgs: I just googled for "pata sata grub ubuntu" and it appears that this is a fairly common issue.
[03:39] <nonewmsgs> but will BIOS go to that or the "first drive"
[03:40] <contrast83> Not sure. If possible, I would personally try to put /boot on the first partition of the first drive just to be safe.
[03:40] <nonewmsgs> thats my problem.  what IS the first drive
[03:40] <nonewmsgs> the first drive in bios is not the first drive in windows is not the first drive in grub is not the first drive in linux
[03:40] <nonewmsgs> *cries*
[03:40] <contrast83> yikes
[03:40] <nonewmsgs> exactly
[03:41] <motty> does  kwikdisk tell you?
[03:41] <nonewmsgs> one sec it was in windows
[03:42] <motty> it does on mine at any rate
[03:43] <nonewmsgs> what also doesnt help me out is i have a pata card
[03:43] <nonewmsgs> and a mboard pata port
[03:44] <nonewmsgs> maybe this would be easier if i exclusively use card?
[03:44] <motty> it might
[03:45] <nonewmsgs> the funny thing is windows installation crashes because it wont install to a pata card
[03:45] <contrast83> Anyone know if/when KDE 4 Beta 4 will be making its way into the repos?
[03:45] <biovore> beta 4 is still very buggy...
[03:45] <motty> it sure is
[03:45] <motty> I have it on live CD looks great tho
[03:45] <contrast83> No more so than beta 3, from the impression I got. I was just checking out the Debian live CD last night.
[03:46] <contrast83> motty: Same one?
[03:46] <biovore> well I built it from SVN last night..
[03:46] <motty> no a beta of mepis
[03:46] <contrast83> Ahh
[03:46] <motty> it set up all   9   button on my mouse on the live CD that was cool
[03:47] <contrast83> impressive
[03:47] <motty> I thought so
[03:47] <contrast83> both that your mouse has that many buttons and that it detected them all. :-P
[03:47] <nonewmsgs> ok all pata ribbons are on card
[03:47] <motty> I'm a gamer freak
[03:47] <contrast83> ohh ok
[03:47] <vzduch> lol
[03:47] <motty> have been ever since wofstien came out
[03:47] <vzduch> penis comparison.. *duck*
[03:47] <contrast83> lol
[03:48] <Jucato> vzduch: ahem
[03:48] <contrast83> who didn't see that coming?
[03:48] <bazhang> Jucato: do you ever sleep?
[03:48] <motty> not me, I'm no  good at 'em just love to kill stuff LOL
[03:48] <Jucato> bazhang: yep. but right now I'm severely lacking some
[03:48] <contrast83> motty: you played Alien Arena 6.10?
[03:48] <bazhang> I bet :}
[03:49] <nonewmsgs> so now let me try the "default fix" with supergrub
[03:49] <motty> yes I just got it  yesterday, the bots on easy kick my ass
[03:49] <contrast83> lol
[03:49] <motty> I'm almost 50 and can't see them to well
[03:50] <motty> I kick ass in nexuz tho LOL
[03:50] <motty> not as much background clutter
[03:53] <motty> ok well I'm gonna go try and get a ubuntu distro  to install otherwise I'll check out debian
[03:54] <motty> thanks for all the help, later
[03:55] <nonewmsgs> ok that didn't do anything
[03:55] <nonewmsgs> apparantly both pata drives were in the card but the dvdrom wasnt
[03:56] <nonewmsgs> and launchpad has both bugs as confirmed
[03:57] <x4245> hello
[03:57] <Kr4t05> Well, it seems that video playback is suddenly and inexplicably broken.
[03:58] <Kr4t05> None of the videos that I have will play. :/
[03:58] <x4245> is there a graphical app in linux which tells me how muh data is coming to a spicific connection
[03:58] <x4245> for e.g, a download app.
[03:59] <x4245> i m using ketstats, but it only shows global speeds
[03:59] <bazhang> Kr4t05: what kind of errors are you getting?
[03:59] <bazhang> oops
[04:01] <nonewmsgs> yay i played with boot orders and eventually i guessed right.  apparantly grub always considers pata first
[04:02] <nonewmsgs> thanks for your moral support contrast.  it helps to know someone out there cares :)
[04:03] <navets> what is a good IM program?
[04:04] <nonewmsgs> pigeon?
[04:04] <Goop2> pidgin
[04:04] <Jucato> Kopete
[04:04] <Jucato> and it's Pidgin, not pidgeon :)
[04:04] <nonewmsgs> yes
[04:04] <Jucato> er pideon*
[04:04] <Jucato> bah
[04:05] <vzduch> o0
[04:05] <Goop2> Pidgin > Kopete
[04:05] <vzduch> good night folks :)
[04:05] <nonewmsgs> sorry i was moving my 50+lb  computer.   heaviest damn computer i ever moved
[04:05] <Jucato> !good
[04:05] <ubotu> Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.
[04:05] <Jucato> with a dozen choices, you'll get a hundred A is better than B answers
[04:05] <x4245> navets: use pidgin if u are stuck behind a firewall, else, use kopete
[04:06] <contrast83> nonewmsgs: no prob, glad you got it working.
[04:06] <Jucato> kopete if you need webcam
[04:06] <Jucato> kopete if you want KDE integration
[04:06] <nonewmsgs> my kopote has crash issues so it simplified my decision
[04:06] <navets> x4245: pidgen freezes and kopete wont show the statues of any file transfer
[04:06] <Jucato> nonewmsgs: what crash issue?
[04:06] <contrast83> pidgin doesn't have webcam support?
[04:06] <Jucato> contrast83: none so far (afaik)
[04:06] <Goop2> Kopete looks much nicer than Pidgin, but I find it has less features
[04:06] <Jucato> or last I checked
[04:06] <x4245> navets: u got the latest version from the repos?
[04:07] <navets> x4245: yup
[04:07] <Jucato> Goop2: like?
[04:07] <nonewmsgs> right after i upgraded to gutsy, everytime kopete starts to conect it gives a crash window
[04:07] <x4245> navets: my pidgin crashes too, but i figured out on how to not make it crash
[04:07] <Jucato> nonewmsgs: you have an MSN account in Kopete?
[04:07] <nonewmsgs> yeah
[04:07] <Jucato> nonewmsgs: that has been fixed a week ago already
[04:07] <x4245> navets: and yes, kopete crashes to, especially since i updated to gutsy
[04:07] <Jucato> update your system
[04:08] <nonewmsgs> sweet
[04:08] <Goop2> Jucato: Maybe its just because I haven't looked very hard, but I haven't seen plugin support
[04:08] <navets> i would use kopete but it wont show my file transfers
[04:08] <nonewmsgs> i haven't been playing with it much since then
[04:08] <navets> and the gutsy upgrade sucks
[04:08] <Jucato> Goop2: Settings -> Configure Plugins?
[04:08] <navets> it broke all of my stuff
[04:08] <navets> no more sound
[04:08] <navets> cant dim my laptop screen
[04:08] <navets> constant crashes
[04:08] <navets> etc
[04:08] <nonewmsgs> i have seen it break  3/4 systems i tried it on
[04:08] <Jucato> Goop2: Kopete has Now Playing/Listening, Logging/History, Web Presence, Auto Replace, etc.
[04:09] <nonewmsgs> this was the only successful one
[04:09] <Goop2> Jucato: oh.. heh.. like I said, I haven't looked that hard =P
[04:09] <navets> i am going to move to PCLinuxOS
[04:09] <x4245> navets: yeah, me too
[04:09] <Jucato> Goop2: and that's only the built-in ones... not sure what other plugins are available in kde-apps.org :)
[04:09] <nonewmsgs> a clean upgrade works fine
[04:09] <nonewmsgs> but feel free to try pclos
[04:09] <Jucato> and feel free to try another distro everytime something goes wrong :)
[04:09] <MagicCow> What advantages does PCLOS offer over Ubuntu?
[04:10] <Jucato> (and I bet you'll be going around a lot...)
[04:10] <nonewmsgs> rpm
[04:10] <x4245> navets: i think u should use pidgin
[04:10] <nonewmsgs> even though debs are more common now than rpms
[04:10] <Jucato> MagicCow: RPM (Mandriva) based, almost all codecs installed by default
[04:10] <navets> x4245: i do, but it crashes 3-4 times during a 5 min convo, very very annoying
[04:10] <MagicCow> Codecs are easy enough to get though.
[04:11] <MagicCow> Is RPM a major advantage over Deb, or just another personal choice?
[04:11] <Jucato> usually personal choice
[04:11] <nonewmsgs> i prefer debs
[04:11] <Jucato> or technical...
[04:11] <MagicCow> I was looking at PCLOS, I've finally got everything set up and working now though, wonder if it's worth it.
[04:11] <x4245> navets: i know how to make it unfreeze
[04:12] <navets> x4245: how
[04:12] <MagicCow> Compiz destroyed my system temporarily though.. what a pain that program is.
[04:12] <Jucato> MagicCow: if it works *for you* then it's worth it, no matter what other say
[04:12] <x4245> navets: u using the shortcuts to open it right?
[04:12] <x4245> navets: from the kmenu > internet
[04:13] <navets> x4245: i just open it with katapult
[04:13] <nonewmsgs> oh yeah i was wondering.  if you install buntu with the vga driver, does it not install compbiz, or what al does that do
[04:13] <x4245> navets: well, open konsole
[04:13]  * MagicCow shrugs.
[04:13] <navets> x4245: k
[04:13] <x4245> navets: make sure that pidgin is closed by checking ps -ef
[04:14] <x4245> navets: then use pidgin &
[04:14] <Goop2> has anyone else had more troubles with WinE in Gutsy than Feisty?
[04:14] <Jucato> nonewmsgs: you need the proper driver for your video card. and that still won't install compiz. compiz is a program you have to install.
[04:14] <x4245> navets: this'll make sure that it doesnt crash
[04:14] <Jucato> !compiz | nonewmsgs
[04:14] <ubotu> nonewmsgs: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[04:14] <nonewmsgs> what about in g:Pbuntu
[04:15] <navets> x4245: alright ill try it out
[04:15] <x4245> navets: ok
[04:18] <nzk> Can anybody hear me?
[04:18] <contrast83> nope, nobody.
[04:18] <nonewmsgs> my question properly stated is this.  i installed a gutsy ubuntu and it killed performance because it was a low end vampire nv card.  i restarted and selected vga mode and it seemed a lot better and i was wondering the full effects of that
[04:19] <nzk> I'm having problems installing * on my computer.
[04:19] <nonewmsgs> full effects of selecting vga mode
[04:19] <nzk> Nothing will install.
[04:19] <nonewmsgs> what error does it give
[04:19] <nzk> I just tried the latest Ubuntu, both graphical and alternate discs.
[04:19] <nzk> I must have gone through half a stack of discs, burning using different programs, different speeds.
[04:20] <contrast83> you're not using cdrw's, are you?
[04:20] <nzk> The alternate discs won't even boot, and the graphical installers just get up to the part where I see the wallpaper and a mouse, nothing else.
[04:20] <nzk> contrast83: CD-Rs.
[04:20] <nzk> I used many different manufacturers.
[04:20] <nzk> Verbatim, Memorex, Maxell, etc.
[04:20] <nonewmsgs> i have seen issues with cdrws.  why do they mess up
[04:20] <contrast83> nonewmsgs: not sure. they usually work for me for 2-3 installs, then they crap out.
[04:21] <nzk> I also tried Fedora, PCLinuxOS, Mint Linux, and Debian. Be it DVD or CD, nothing will install on my computer.
[04:21] <nzk> Absolutely no OS or Distro that I have tried so far will successfully install.
[04:21] <contrast83> nzk: what kind of computer?
[04:21] <nzk> This wouldn't be much of a problem if my current Ubuntu install wasn't FUBAR.
[04:21] <nzk> contrast83: A Dell Inspiron XPS Gen 1
[04:21] <bazhang> nzk: what is the underlying system?
[04:21] <contrast83> proc?
[04:22] <nzk> I've reformatted it many times, but recently absolutely nothing will install.
[04:22] <nzk> contrast83: x86
[04:22] <kevman_> Use a different cd-rom...?
[04:22] <contrast83> kevman_: ^^
[04:22] <dave_> which is a better card to run on kubuntu, ati rage 128 or a 3dfx voodoo3 tv card?( i know both cards suck but those are my choices)
[04:22] <nonewmsgs> he's tried all kinds of different ones
[04:22] <kevman_> I mean Cd-rom DRIVE
[04:22] <nonewmsgs> ahhhhh.
[04:22] <bazhang> nzk: what speed are you writing at, and are you using dao (sp?)
[04:23] <nonewmsgs> that makes a lot more sense
[04:23] <nzk> bazhang: I tried every single speed.
[04:23] <kevman_> Oh, an XPS. Isn't it like... 4 inches thick?
[04:23] <nzk> kevman_: It's a laptop.
[04:23] <nzk> kevman_: 5.
[04:23] <nzk> I can't really get another optical drive short of ordering a new one.
[04:23] <kevman_> Hehe. I had a friend who had a Prescott-based one...
[04:23] <kevman_> nzk, has you a USB drive?
[04:23] <nzk> Nay.
[04:24] <kevman_> Like a thumbdrive?
[04:24] <nzk> Oh, yes.
[04:24] <kevman_> Use it.
[04:24] <nzk> I don't think it supports booting from that, however.
[04:24] <bazhang> nzk: have you tried booting from usb key
[04:24] <kevman_> What CPU class it is?
[04:24] <nzk> bazhang: No.
[04:24] <nzk> kevman_: I forgot.
[04:24] <kevman_> I swear English is my native language :>
[04:24] <bazhang> haha
[04:24] <nzk> Whatever they were using in Dec 2004 :\
[04:25] <kevman_> P4, then. It'll boot from USB.
[04:25] <nzk> I thought you meant architecture.
[04:25] <nzk> I already said it was a 3.46ghz P4.
[04:25] <kevman_> Oh.
[04:25] <kevman_> It'll boot from USB.
[04:25] <nzk> Alright, then. How do I go about doing so? Just put the same image as I would burn to a CD on a thumbdrive?
[04:26] <kevman_> You could also do PXE.
[04:26] <kevman_> Eh, depends on your distro.
[04:26] <nzk> Explain.
[04:26] <bazhang> pendrivelinux dot com has the answers
[04:26] <kevman_> Um, USB would be far easier.
[04:27] <nonewmsgs> what's pxe? is that a way to boot from an iso image (i always wondered if that was possible)
[04:27] <nzk> bazhang: No can do.
[04:27] <kevman_> PXE is booting accross the network. It needs a very specific DHCP, DNS, and FTP srever.
[04:27] <nzk> Unless I want to break my hand, I'm not opening Firefox.
[04:27] <kevman_> What?
[04:28] <raylu> er...what?
[04:28] <bazhang> nzk: have you considered getting disks from shipit dot com?
[04:28] <nzk> Firefox will unrecoverably freeze my computer, requiring a hard reboot. I can't kill it from SSH, or anything. This will piss me off, and make my punch through my drywall.
[04:28] <nzk> bazhang: I'm not going to bother.
[04:28] <raylu> why can't you kill it from SSH?
[04:28] <bazhang> ok
[04:28] <nzk> Process won't show up, raylu
[04:28] <raylu> o.0
[04:28] <nonewmsgs> ill mail you a disc
[04:28] <kevman_> That's... odd.
[04:28] <raylu> what do you do to reveal the process?
[04:29] <nzk> top
[04:29] <kevman_> How big is your thumbdrive?
[04:29] <kevman_> Its probably just no using any CPU.
[04:29] <raylu> have you tried just killall -9 firefox-bin
[04:29] <nzk> kevman_: 4,096,000,000 bytes
[04:29] <nzk> raylu: Yes.
[04:29] <raylu> strange indeed
[04:30] <bazhang> nzk: could you try burning on a friend's cd writer?
[04:31] <nzk> I've tried three different CD writers.
[04:32] <kevman_> Heh, I only now how to do a USB install with Gentoo.
[04:32] <nonewmsgs> is the image the right md5?
[04:32] <bazhang> nzk: well, I made many coasters in the past, so not sure how to help, apart from someone sending you a disk or shipit
[04:32] <kevman_> Your drive is shot. That's all there is to it.
[04:32] <nzk> nonewmsgs: Yes. And every burning program I use verifies it.
[04:32] <nonewmsgs> weird
[04:32] <nzk> kevman_: So how do I boot from a thumbdrive, in the sense of what do I put on it.
[04:34] <kevman_> I don't know, tbh
[04:34] <kevman_> I'm looking, nothing's coming up.
[04:34] <Ellipsys> Anyone running the fglrx 8.42.3 driver here?
[04:36] <nonewmsgs> http://pendrivelinux.com/2007/01/25/usb-x-ubuntu-610/
[04:36] <nonewmsgs> i dont know if that's really what you're looking for
[04:37] <nonewmsgs> that's how to do an install to it...can you do an install from an installed ubuntu
[04:37] <Ellipsys> !info fglrx
[04:37] <ubotu> Package fglrx does not exist in gutsy
[04:37] <nzk> nonewmsgs: All I found was installing Ubuntu TO a thumbdrive, not FROM a thumbdrive :(
[04:38] <Ellipsys> !find fglrx
[04:38] <ubotu> Found: fglrx-control, xorg-driver-fglrx, xorg-driver-fglrx-dev, fglrx-kernel-source
[04:38] <nzk> Whatever, maybe simply putting the iso on the thumbdrive and booting from it will work?
[04:38] <Ellipsys> !info xorg-driver-fglrx
[04:38] <ubotu> xorg-driver-fglrx: Video driver for ATI graphics accelerators. In component restricted, is optional. Version 7.1.0-8.37.6+2.6.22.4-14.9 (gutsy), package size 8357 kB, installed size 22472 kB
[04:38] <nonewmsgs> yeah try that nzk...i dont know what else atm
[04:39] <tuxwulf> Can I change the size of icons n kubuntu? I.e. in my taskbar, quick launch or whatever it is called...?
[04:40] <kevman_> Right clock on it, click "configure taskbar" and there should be a slider for it.
[04:40] <nonewmsgs> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/boot-linux-iso-from-thumb-drive-355366/
[04:41] <tuxwulf> kevman > Fund sth but does not seem to work... I'll search some more. Thanks!
[04:44] <tuxwulf> kevman > I need to check 'Conserver space", then the sizing wrks
[04:45] <tuxwulf> ...but the systray icons do not change whatever I do, only the quicklauncher  icons
[04:48] <bazhang> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/09/28/usb-ubuntu-710-gutsy-gibbon-install/ nzk--I think this is what you want
[04:48] <bazhang> also available from XP.
[04:58] <navets> is there a dual monitor gui for KDE?
[04:58] <kevman_> Eh?
[04:58] <kevman_> The Control Center does dual head.
[04:58] <navets> humm, doesnt work for me
[04:58] <kevman_> Dual head isn't easy in Linux.
[04:59] <kevman_> What GPU we talkin' here?
[04:59] <biovore> yeah.. no autotomatic dual graphics..
[04:59] <navets> humm i thought gutsy was supost to have very good dual monitor support
[04:59] <biovore> If you get a nvidia card.. and are using the nvidia driver.. you might be able to use nvidia-control panel
[05:00] <biovore> you have to setup X to use dual monitors..
[05:00] <navets> biovore: thought so
[05:00] <hydrogen> !xinerama
[05:00] <ubotu> xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[05:00] <navets> i wish i would have just stayed with fiesty
[05:00] <navets> i had everything set up just fine
[05:00] <hydrogen> just look at that ^
[05:00] <biovore> should be the same thing really..
[05:00] <biovore> !dualhead
[05:00] <ubotu> Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[05:02] <navets> does anyone know if pclinuxos has good dualscreen?
[05:02] <navets> i am thinking of trying it out
[05:03] <bazhang> perhaps they would know on #pclinuxos?
[05:04] <bazhang> hi coreymon771
[05:04] <neil__> Hi, my computer won't shut down correctly.  It completes the shut down in about 10 sec, then says "Will now halt" but does not shut down.
[05:04] <bazhang> oops !
[05:11] <draik> I just upgraded to Gutsy and restarted. It says that Thunderbird is gone. How do I get it back if trying to install says that it is the latest version?
[05:15] <bazhang> draik thuderbird has undergone a transformation of late--now two packages in repos mozilla-thunderbird and thunderbird--the second is the one you want
[05:16] <draik> !beryl
[05:16] <ubotu> Beryl has been merged with Compiz to form Compiz-Fusion.  New Beryl installs are discouraged. See also !compiz
[05:16] <draik> !compiz
[05:16] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[05:17] <bazhang> draik: the package you want is simply called thunderbird--the old one is mozilla-thunderbird--new functionality in the newer package
[05:17] <draik> bazhang: remove mozilla-thunderbird?
[05:18] <bazhang> draik: try to apt-get install thunderbird
[05:18] <draik> bazhang: It's already installed
[05:18] <bazhang> without the mozilla?
[05:18] <bazhang> err name
[05:18] <draik> I see it now
[05:18] <draik> There are two of them
[05:19] <bazhang> newer one is very cool.
[05:19] <bazhang> draik: thanks for the #ubuntu-classroom transcripts
[05:20] <draik> bazhang: I will see in just a bit. Thanks for the heads up. Not a problem. I'm working on somewhat of a manual, but with Gutsy just released, back to the drawing board.
[05:20] <bazhang> draik: look forward to it
[05:21] <bazhang> hi coreymon77!
[05:21] <draik> bazhang: http://www.draikunderlord.com/Kubuntu.html
[05:21] <bazhang> draik: thanks!
[05:21] <draik> Not a problem
[05:24] <nzk> Is it safe to run sudo apt-get autoremove?
[05:24] <sub[t]rnl> yes
[05:27] <k5ubuntu> i need help installing opera
[05:28] <purpleposeidon> My grub is hosed, how do I fix it?
[05:28] <sub[t]rnl> !grub
[05:28] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[05:29] <raylu> how is it hosed?
[05:29] <raylu> k5ubuntu, what have you done so far?
[05:33] <purpleposeidon> raylu: I got grub error [some integer]
[05:33] <raylu> ...
[05:33] <Daisuke_Ido> that "some integer" is important.
[05:33] <raylu> um...
[05:33] <raylu> yeah...
[05:33] <purpleposeidon> 17, I think. Or 12.
[05:34] <Daisuke_Ido> in fact, that integer is more importand than the rest of that line combined.
[05:34] <purpleposeidon> 21
[05:34] <purpleposeidon> But I think I got it fixed.
[05:34]  * raylu slams head on wall
[05:35] <purpleposeidon> Or at least qemu seems to think so. :/
[05:36] <purpleposeidon> Thou you'd think they'd be able to waste a few kb so you could know what the error meant
[05:38] <k5ubuntu> raylu nothing
[05:38] <k5ubuntu> sorry
[05:39] <supert0nes> is there any way in compiz to make maximized windows not use the full window?
[05:42] <BigDaddy> OK, easy question. IS there a way to change a crapload of filenames to the exact same name, only lowercase?
[05:43] <bazhang> kfilereplace BigDaddy
[05:44] <BigDaddy> is that a program or a command?
[05:45] <bazhang> batch search-and-replace component for KDE
[05:45] <draik> !beryl
[05:45] <ubotu> Beryl has been merged with Compiz to form Compiz-Fusion.  New Beryl installs are discouraged. See also !compiz
[05:46] <draik> Am I able to get the Feisty repo for Beryl and install Beryl?
[05:47] <draik> !compiz
[05:47] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[05:50] <BigDaddy> I don't think this kfilereplace will do what I need. I just need to convert all uppercase letters to lowercase lettters. Is there anything else?
[05:51] <blendtux> what the fu grrrrrr
[05:51] <blendtux> i get this wheni want to install the package build-essential
[05:51] <blendtux> The following information may help to resolve the situation:
[05:51] <blendtux> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[05:51] <blendtux>   build-essential: Depends: libc6-dev but it is not going to be installed or
[05:51] <blendtux>                             libc-dev
[05:51] <blendtux>                    Depends: g++ (>= 4:4.1.1) but it is not going to be installed
[05:51] <blendtux> E: Broken packages
[05:51] <blendtux> sorry for the spam
[05:51] <blendtux> i thought i copied only 2 lines
[05:52] <_3mti_> blendtux: install some g++ libs
[05:52] <tazgodx> i got a small problem. every now and then my desktop just decides it doesn't want to put a screen saver up, if i look at desktop settings it is supposed to come on, but still doesn't
[05:52] <tazgodx> anyone know of that kind of problem?
[05:52] <blendtux> why is apt-get not doing that for me _3mti_
[05:53] <Daisuke_Ido> blendtux: you seem to have some serious issues
[05:53] <Daisuke_Ido> pastebin your sources.list
[05:54] <_3mti_> blendtux: Try on Xwindow adept_manager
[05:54] <Daisuke_Ido> _3mti_: same effect, adept is just a graphical apt-get.
[05:54] <purpleposeidon> it worked! :D
[05:54] <blendtux> i can install with aptitude
[05:55] <_3mti_> Daisuke_Ido: but u can serarch for library
[05:55] <Daisuke_Ido> _3mti_: you can do that from the command line as well
[05:55] <_3mti_> i'm known man
[05:56] <_3mti_> thaht was my suggest :]
[05:56] <blendtux> i have to downgrade two packges aptitude is saying
[05:56] <purpleposeidon> except I think running  sudo qemu -hda /dev/hda -hdb /dev/hdb was a bad idea, because when I rebooted, only the root partition was mounted
[05:56] <blendtux> i think some repo's are out of sync at the moment atleast the one i sue
[05:56] <Daisuke_Ido> blendtux: what's it recmmending you downgrade?
[05:56] <blendtux> use
[05:56] <Daisuke_Ido> it would appear so
[05:56] <Daisuke_Ido> this is why i said to pastebin your sources.list...
[05:56] <purpleposeidon> something about bad superblocks
[05:57] <blendtux> what version of libc6 do you have Daisuke_Ido
[05:57] <_3mti_> purpleposeidon: edit /etc/fstab
[05:57] <blendtux> the ubuntu package version
[05:57] <blendtux> and are you on gutsy
[05:58] <purpleposeidon> _3mti_: yeah, I'm gonna have to bust out tomsrtbt or a livecd or something
[06:00] <blendtux> Daisuke_Ido: http://pastebin.com/m4d068ae3
[06:00] <Daisuke_Ido>  Installed: 2.6.1-1ubuntu10
[06:01] <blendtux> me too
[06:01] <Daisuke_Ido> that's not the repo i would have used for opera, but no matter
[06:01] <blendtux> its sugesting to downgrade to ubuntu9
[06:01] <blendtux> so what should i do
[06:01] <blendtux> accept aptiude solution
[06:02] <smorg> anywhere I can find the ubuntu repo security and package default servers, or a default sources.list for ubuntu...
[06:02] <Daisuke_Ido> !source-o-matic | smorg
[06:02] <ubotu> smorg: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[06:02] <Daisuke_Ido> blendtux: aptitude's solution sounds alright
[06:02] <smorg> its very weird that the configuration in adept's repo manager gui doesn't reflect my sources.list for some weird reason!
[06:03] <Daisuke_Ido> not ideal, obviously, and you can always re-upgrade afterwards
[06:03] <Daisuke_Ido> smorg: apt-get update?
[06:03] <smorg> yeah... but there are some things I added to the gui that aren't in sources.list
[06:03] <smorg> but they still show up in the gui
[06:03] <smorg> and visa-versa
[06:03] <smorg> does adept store things separately?
[06:04] <Daisuke_Ido> erm
[06:04] <Daisuke_Ido> check /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[06:04] <Daisuke_Ido> that's a directory with repos added through adept and such (it doesn't add them to the base sources.list
[06:05] <smorg> aah
[06:05] <smorg> so if i use apt-get, it won't use anything added with adept
[06:05] <smorg> and the other way around
[06:05] <Daisuke_Ido> it will
[06:05] <smorg> hm
[06:05] <Daisuke_Ido> sources.list.d is treated as an extension of sources.list
[06:06] <smorg> ah okay, so it doesn't matter
[06:06] <Daisuke_Ido> (just as /etc/init.d/ is treated as an extension of /etc/init
[06:06] <Daisuke_Ido> right
[06:06] <smorg> awesome thx for the info, i'll check out that generator and see if i can get the two matching
[06:06] <smorg> yea speaking of that, I couldn't find /etc/init
[06:07] <Daisuke_Ido> i don't think there really is one
[06:07] <Daisuke_Ido> in that case, init.d is a replacement..  as i understand it, it's treated as a meta-init script
[06:08] <smorg> so... would it bork anything if i just remove any scripts from /etc/init.d or is there a special way of modifying startup?
[06:08] <Daisuke_Ido> !startup
[06:08] <ubotu> To add programs to start up when you log into your Gnome session go to System>Preferences>Sessions and use the Startup Programs tab. For more information, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddingProgramToSessionStartup - See !boot for starting non-interactive programs at boot
[06:08] <Daisuke_Ido> ah...
[06:08] <smorg> aaah
[06:08] <Daisuke_Ido> !boot
[06:08] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[06:09] <raylu> for a safe-ish way to auto start stuff
[06:09] <smorg> ofc kubuntu has a sexy gui for everything :-)
[06:09] <raylu> try ~/.kde/Autostart
[06:10] <raylu> make sure the stuff you put in there has chmod +x
[06:17] <wilson__> adept is not sexy
[06:17] <wilson__> it's unstable in kubuntu
[06:17] <draik> CLI > Adept
[06:17] <smorg> yeah I've had a number of crashes
[06:17] <smorg> I miss emerge
[06:17] <draik> How do I install OpenGL? I had it and then the upgrade took it away. I don't even have my screensaver functioning.
[06:20] <smorg> haha, source-o-matic is great!
[06:26] <maverick> does compiz have window border themes like beryl's emerald ?!!
[06:26] <Daisuke_Ido> maverick: yeah
[06:26] <Daisuke_Ido> emerald.
[06:26] <Daisuke_Ido> emerald was compiz's, beryl just used it
[06:26] <maverick> reat
[06:27] <maverick> Great*
[06:27] <Daisuke_Ido> and raylu, he was talking about starting on boot, not on kde startup.
[06:27] <maverick> and do u know wether compiz is better...i've used beryl before ?!
[06:27] <Daisuke_Ido> so autostart wouldn't cut it
[06:27] <raylu> yeah, i figured
[06:27] <Daisuke_Ido> maverick: i'll make it simple: beryl doesn't exist anymore.
[06:28] <raylu> maverick, yes, compiz > beryl :D
[06:28] <Daisuke_Ido> compiz-fusion is the re-merge of compiz and beryl
[06:28] <Daisuke_Ido> and it is awesome
[06:28] <Daisuke_Ido> !compiz
[06:28] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[06:28] <maverick> raylu: you make it sound like a true combat elite KILL log :D
[06:31] <tuxwulf> bazhang: what is it?
[06:37] <bazhang> tuxwulf: the kfilereplace is something to change (batch) filenames--or so I was told earlier today--haven't tried it myself
[06:41] <t3ch13> Is there a config file somewhere that allows me to set the resoloution of the kdm theme login screen?
[06:50] <draik> !opengl
[06:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about opengl - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:51] <draik> How do I install OpenGL? My screensaver won't work
[06:51] <draik> This is recent
[06:51] <draik> It happened after the upgrade
[06:53] <bazhang> draik: try this in console glxinfo | grep 'direct rendering'
[06:53] <bazhang> err konsole
[06:55] <smorg> happen to know what the difference between the prereleases and backports are?
[06:55] <draik> That is my output
[06:55] <smorg> I assume prerelease is potential updates for the current version
[06:55] <smorg> whereas backports = ports from development version
[06:55] <smorg> sound right?
[06:56] <draik> smorg: I would assume prerelease is "on the way" and/or "beta" and backports is apps from previous releases continuing on with the latest K/Ubuntu
[06:57] <smorg> backports are the other way around... just not sure about the prereleases
[06:57] <raylu> afaik, backports are newer versions of things that exist in the official repos
[06:57] <raylu> and prereleases are things that are being considered for inclusion in the official repos
[06:58] <raylu> neither are considered very stable, but i don't think the average user will notice
[06:58] <raylu> then again, i could be totally wrong about prereleases
[07:03] <tuxwulf> bazhang :..eh ... okay ... mistaken identity .../
[07:03] <tuxwulf> ?
[07:04] <Dry_Ice> how long should it take to download kubuntu on a cable connection?
[07:05] <basicasm> hello
[07:08] <purpleposeidon> What's the command to find the uuid of a partition?
[07:10] <spawn57> you can look for it in the /dev dir
[07:11] <Dry_Ice> you never realise how slow your connection is until you try to download kubuntu...
[07:11] <purpleposeidon> mmmhmmmmm....
[07:11] <Dry_Ice> lol
[07:16] <smorg> 404 on deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu gutsy-commercial main
[07:16] <smorg> doesn't exist?
[07:16] <Dry_Ice> what doesn't exist?
[07:17] <bio_> its work
[07:17] <Dry_Ice> the link works...
[07:17] <Dry_Ice> if that's what you wanted to know
[07:17] <Dry_Ice> but i don't see a file named gutsy-commercial main in there...
[07:17] <smorg> hm
[07:18] <smorg> its supposedly canonical's mirror for non-free things
[07:18] <Dry_Ice> ic...
[07:21] <bazhang> tuxwulf: no problem :}
[07:21] <Dry_Ice> i hope my computer doesn't crash while i download kubuntu :D
[07:21] <bazhang> :}
[07:22] <Dry_Ice> that wouldn't be very fun...
[07:22] <bazhang> iso or upgrade?
[07:22] <Dry_Ice> iso...
[07:22] <Dry_Ice> all 697MB...
[07:22] <Dry_Ice> i'm on the 163rd MB
[07:22] <bazhang> fast connection?
[07:22] <Dry_Ice> cable...
[07:23] <bazhang> nice
[07:23] <Dry_Ice> :P
[07:23] <Dry_Ice> it's not at my expense...
[07:24]  * Dry_Ice is sprog
[07:25] <Dry_Ice> im a fool for downloading it :P
[07:25] <bazhang> what are you running now?
[07:26] <Dry_Ice> mac os x 10.4
[07:26] <bazhang> you're going to dual boot with boot camp?
[07:26] <Dry_Ice> no...
[07:26] <Dry_Ice> you don't need boot camp
[07:26] <Dry_Ice> i'm just going to put kubuntu on a partition
[07:26] <bazhang> brave...
[07:26] <Dry_Ice> its an empty disk...
[07:27] <bazhang> intel mac?
[07:27]  * Dry_Ice won't hurt any files...
[07:27] <Dry_Ice> yeah...
[07:27] <bazhang> may be some sound issues --ubuntugeek has a whole blog on this
[07:27] <Dry_Ice> hmmm
[07:27] <Dry_Ice> that's too bad...
[07:28] <Dry_Ice> i was recommended ubuntu by friends
[07:28] <Dry_Ice> i'm a linux n00b
[07:28] <Dry_Ice> bear with me ;)
[07:29] <bazhang> Dry_Ice: you might want to try it in vmware fusion first--just to get a feel for it.
[07:29] <Dry_Ice> que?
[07:29] <bazhang> a virtual enivronment that runs on top of your existing system
[07:29] <Dry_Ice> right
[07:29] <Dry_Ice> like parallels or bootcamp...
[07:30] <bazhang> exactly
[07:30] <bat-tux> hi
[07:30] <bazhang> well parallels, at least
[07:30] <bat-tux> a speak spanish
[07:30] <Dry_Ice> or you can dual boot to bootcamp...
[07:30] <Dry_Ice> i still have tiger...
[07:30] <bazhang> !sp | bat-tux
[07:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sp - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:30] <Dry_Ice> not going to go to leopard quite yet...
[07:30] <bat-tux> i from  mexico
[07:30] <Dry_Ice> !es | bat-tux
[07:30] <ubotu> bat-tux: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[07:30] <bazhang> !es | bat-tux
[07:31] <Dry_Ice> :D beat ya ;)
[07:31] <bazhang> haha
[07:31] <bat-tux> thanks ubotu
[07:31] <Dry_Ice> i speak enough spanish to find the bathroom :P
[07:32] <Dry_Ice> and a few other things
[07:32] <Dry_Ice> !fr | Dry_Ice
[07:33] <Dry_Ice> this .iso file is the same image burned to the 'live cds', correct?
[07:33] <bazhang> one and the same
[07:34] <Dry_Ice> k, just making sure :)
[07:34] <Dry_Ice> i iz a linux n00b, as stated before
[07:35] <bazhang> I doubt Tiger will let you start up with it though
[07:35] <Dry_Ice> ?
[07:35] <bazhang> No bios in OS X, but something called efi
[07:35] <Dry_Ice> i bot up to cd...
[07:35] <Dry_Ice> boot*
[07:35] <Dry_Ice> install it on the partition...
[07:35] <Dry_Ice> and boot up to the partition
[07:36] <bazhang> need boot camp for that.
[07:36] <Dry_Ice> no...
[07:36] <Dry_Ice> ic u iz a mac n00b :D
[07:36] <Dry_Ice> i think...
[07:36] <bazhang> we'll see..
[07:36] <Dry_Ice> ...
[07:36] <Dry_Ice> i've booted up to dvds...
[07:36] <raylu> lol
[07:36] <raylu> Dry_Ice, that sounds like a boot loader
[07:36] <raylu> not a BIOS
[07:36] <Dry_Ice> still
[07:37] <Dry_Ice> you can boot up to cds and dvds
[07:37] <bazhang> linux ones?
[07:37] <raylu> on the other hand, they might just call their bios' code "efi"
[07:37] <Dry_Ice> ...
[07:37] <raylu> all in all, i think we can settle on "mac should tell the user what's going on instead of assuming it's doing what the user wants correctly"
[07:37] <Dry_Ice> efi is something firmware interface, i think
[07:38] <raylu> oh, okies
[07:38] <Dry_Ice> yeah
[07:38] <raylu> extensible
[07:38] <bazhang> Dry_Ice: have you used a linux cd/dvd to boot before?
[07:38] <Dry_Ice> i use dvds for diagnostics all the time
[07:38] <Dry_Ice> bazhang: no...
[07:38] <raylu> EFI is intended as a significantly improved replacement of the old legacy BIOS firmware interface historically used by all IBM PC compatible personal computers[1].
[07:38] <Dry_Ice> see? :D
[07:38] <raylu> wikipedia even has a nice useless picture of it
[07:39] <bazhang> I believe if you try to use single user mode, it will reject it
[07:39] <raylu> *diagram
[07:39] <Dry_Ice> lol
[07:39] <Dry_Ice> ...
[07:39] <Dry_Ice> why boot into single user?
[07:39] <Dry_Ice> boot to disk...and only the disk...
[07:39] <bazhang> just hold down c key?
[07:39] <Dry_Ice> yep
[07:40] <bazhang> can't wait for your report...
[07:40] <Dry_Ice> ?
[07:40] <Dry_Ice> what report?
[07:40] <bazhang> on how it goes
[07:40] <Dry_Ice> oh
[07:41] <Dry_Ice> you could just come in a few days...
[07:41] <Dry_Ice> 2 days, 9 hours, 30 minutes remaining
[07:41] <bazhang> I could try it right now--I have an intel imac and a few dozen liveCDs
[07:42] <Dry_Ice> ic...c
[07:42] <Dry_Ice> its ok
[07:42] <bazhang> want to give it a shot?
[07:42] <bazhang> err me
[07:42] <Dry_Ice> i think i saw a video of someone doing it on their macbook...
[07:42] <Dry_Ice> lol
[07:42] <Dry_Ice> booting up to the cd...as usual
[07:43] <Dry_Ice> oh, so sleepy...
[07:44] <Dry_Ice> oh, and if you catch me using konversation...that's a big giveaway that i've gotten linux installed =)
[07:44] <bazhang> haha
[07:44] <Dry_Ice> i'm taking full advantage of our time rollback :P
[07:44] <bazhang> :}
[07:45] <Dry_Ice> safari sucks, firefox is a powersucker
[07:45] <Dry_Ice> opera is ok...
[07:45] <Dry_Ice> camino was too buggy
[07:45] <Dry_Ice> and seamonkey was too...oldfashioned...
[07:45] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> Dry_Ice: so what do you use?
[07:45] <Dry_Ice> safari...
[07:45] <Dry_Ice> mostly
[07:46] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> anybody know how to play a swf on linux like a file?
[07:46] <Dry_Ice> unless there's a site incompatible with it
[07:46] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> Dry_Ice: does it display every page how it should
[07:46] <Dry_Ice> yes...
[07:46] <bazhang> AT0M1CB0MB3R: you mean a video file?
[07:46] <Dry_Ice> i can't pause this kubuntu download
[07:46] <Dry_Ice> he means a flash file...
[07:46] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> bazhang: no its a game
[07:46] <Dry_Ice> .swf
[07:46] <Dry_Ice> shockwave flash
[07:46] <bazhang> oh
[07:47] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> yeah
[07:47] <Dry_Ice> or something like that
[07:47] <Dry_Ice> lol
[07:47] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> your right Dry_Ice
[07:47] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> so can i?
[07:47] <Dry_Ice> i don't know...
[07:47] <Dry_Ice> i don't have linux...
[07:47] <Dry_Ice> sorry at0m1cb0mb3r
[07:48] <wilson__> have you tried installing the kubuntu-restricted-extras  package ?
[07:48] <Dry_Ice> but i'll tell you, i've been in an sr-71 blackbird
[07:48] <Dry_Ice> as well as an f/18
[07:48] <bazhang> wilson__: some problem with installation?
[07:48] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> Dry_Ice: what do you have
[07:49] <Dry_Ice> os wise?
[07:49] <wilson__> libxine1-ffmpeg  might let you play flash
[07:49] <Dry_Ice> os x 10.4.10
[07:49] <wilson__> dunno, i'm sure you can i just don't know exactly what package
[07:49] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> Dry_Ice: nice i want osx
[07:49] <Dry_Ice> lol
[07:49] <Dry_Ice> i can get a copy for 70 bucks
[07:50] <Dry_Ice> of the new one
[07:50] <Dry_Ice> 10.5
[07:50] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> wilson__: yes i have installed kubuntu-restricted-extras package
[07:50] <Dry_Ice> i'm the type of person that waits until all the major bugs are sorted out though...
[07:51] <wilson__> libxine1-ffmpeg
[07:51] <Dry_Ice> does anyone know which of the mirror downloads has the fastest server?
[07:51] <Dry_Ice> i don't think the one i'm using has that fast of a server...
[07:51] <Dry_Ice> coz my friend said it should take a couple hours
[07:52] <Dry_Ice> whereas i've been waiting a day...
[07:52] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> Dry_Ice: why not download the file
[07:52] <Dry_Ice> i am...
[07:52] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> it took me like 12 minutes lol
[07:52] <Dry_Ice> <.<
[07:53] <Dry_Ice> which mirror did you use?
[07:53] <bazhang> don't know--mine took an hour--perhaps they know you're not on Linux :}
[07:53] <Dry_Ice> and was it the update?
[07:53] <Dry_Ice> or the actual .iso?
[07:53] <bazhang> iso
[07:53] <Dry_Ice> psh...
[07:53] <Dry_Ice> what mirror do you guys use???
[07:53] <Dry_Ice> please...
[07:53] <Dry_Ice> i can't bear waiting 3 days...
[07:54] <Dry_Ice> whilst people download theirs in an hour...
[07:54] <ioan> hello everybody
[07:54] <bazhang> hi
[07:54] <Dry_Ice> heylo
[07:55] <ioan> Dry_Ice you shouls use a mirror closer to your location
[07:55] <Dry_Ice> i am...
[07:55] <Dry_Ice> its the closest one to me
[07:56] <Dry_Ice> just about
[07:56] <Dry_Ice> you just go over a mountain range and a few deserts...and you're there...
[07:56] <Dry_Ice> its in the same state...
[07:57] <Dry_Ice> rent the dvd image files bigger?
[07:57] <bazhang> much
[07:58] <Dry_Ice> i thought so...
[07:58] <Dry_Ice> gbs if i'm not mistaken
[07:58] <bazhang> 4.3
[07:58] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> Dry_Ice: i download the cd not the dvd
[07:58] <Dry_Ice> i am too
[07:58] <Dry_Ice> but it's taking at least 2 days...
[07:58] <Dry_Ice> which mirror do you use?
[07:58] <ioan> i used the cd too
[07:58] <Dry_Ice> i just wanted to compare...
[07:58] <Dry_Ice> and try other mirrors
[07:59] <Dry_Ice> coz this one, the closest one, is (insert proper expletive) slow...
[07:59] <bazhang> why not try some others as well
[07:59] <Dry_Ice> right
[07:59] <Dry_Ice> i want to know where you guys have luck :)
[07:59] <bazhang> asian ones are very fast
[07:59] <bazhang> japan
[08:00] <Dry_Ice> hmm
[08:00] <Dry_Ice> its only across an ocean :P
[08:00] <Dry_Ice> i'm on the west coast...
[08:00] <Dry_Ice> i'll try, thanks :)
[08:00] <bazhang> cheers
[08:00] <Dry_Ice> :)
[08:01] <Dry_Ice> ZOMG!!!!!!
[08:01] <Dry_Ice> its ticking off megabytes by the second...
[08:01] <bazhang> haha
[08:02] <Dry_Ice> i thought my parents were paying an awful lot of money for a slow connection...
[08:02] <Dry_Ice> it was the other end having issues, i guess...
[08:02] <Dry_Ice> its saying less than an hour...
[08:02] <bazhang> sweet
[08:02]  * Dry_Ice compared to 2 days 10 hours and 20 minutes
[08:02] <Dry_Ice> *sigh*
[08:02] <Dry_Ice> i am a (you know what)
[08:03] <Dry_Ice> i so love japanese technology :P
[08:03] <Dry_Ice> this baby should be done by the time i'm off to sleep :P
[08:04] <Dry_Ice> wow...its like using windows 3.0
[08:04] <Dry_Ice> and then going to xp
[08:04] <Dry_Ice> :D
[08:04] <Dry_Ice> i'm like a happy kid on christmas...
[08:04] <Dry_Ice> sorry for all the talk...
[08:05] <Dry_Ice> but i'm kinda...excited :))))
[08:05] <Dry_Ice> its like a slave being freed!
[08:05] <Dry_Ice> yipee!!!!
[08:05] <Dry_Ice> 50mb done...
[08:06] <ioan> have anyone tryied the newest ubuntu ? i use only Kubuntu but i'd like to try also Ubuntu
[08:06] <Dry_Ice> i could try it for you...
[08:06] <Dry_Ice> i don't have it...but if you need a guinea pig really badly, i wouldn't mind..too much
[08:07] <blackflag> Hello all :)
[08:08] <Dry_Ice> heylo :)
[08:08] <ioan> i wasn't a fan of gnome since the beginning that's why i never used a distro with it but some day i'l try it
[08:08] <blackflag> I have an external usb 2.0 harddisk but its very slow
[08:08] <Dry_Ice> hmmm
[08:08] <Dry_Ice> i have a firewire harddisk
[08:08] <blackflag> only ~400kb/s
[08:08] <Dry_Ice> ...
[08:08] <Dry_Ice> i know
[08:09] <blackflag> is there a way to speed the hd up?
[08:09] <grul> i use kubuntu with fluxbox on top :D
[08:09] <PRC_HERO> HELLO I AM FROM CHINA WHERE ARE YOU?
[08:09] <Dry_Ice> attach a high speed drill to it???
[08:09] <PRC_HERO> HELLO DEAR FRIENDS, FOR KUBUNTU
[08:10] <Dry_Ice> yes?
[08:10] <Daisuke_Ido> !caps | PRC
[08:10] <ubotu> PRC: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[08:10] <grul> maybe he can't type lowercase :o he's from china after all
[08:10] <PRC_HERO> SORRY THIS IS MY FIRST TIME TO USE THIS SOFTWARE--XCHAT
[08:11] <Daisuke_Ido> grul: then this isn't the place for him
[08:11] <Daisuke_Ido> !cn
[08:11] <ubotu> For Ubuntu help in Chinese 您可以访问中文频道： #ubuntu-cn 或者 #ubuntu-tw  或者 #ubuntu-hk
[08:12] <PRC_HERO> O I C, IT'S SO KIND YOU ALL.:)
[08:13] <harmental> hey guys...i've replaced gutsy by hardy in my repos and there are 300 MB of updated packages!! Is it safe to upgrade them all???
[08:14] <Daisuke_Ido> uh. no?
[08:14] <Dry_Ice> lol
[08:14] <Dry_Ice> probably...
[08:14] <Daisuke_Ido> no
[08:14] <Dry_Ice> if you have a good internet connection
[08:14] <Daisuke_Ido> hardy?
[08:15] <Daisuke_Ido> Dry_Ice: are you paying attention to what's being said
[08:15] <Daisuke_Ido> *hardy*
[08:15] <Daisuke_Ido> the release that's coming out NEXT year
[08:15] <Dry_Ice> Daisuke_Ido: i haven't slept for a LONG time...sorry
[08:15] <Daisuke_Ido> harmental: if you do choose to upgrade, you pretty much forfeit any support help around here...
[08:17] <harmental> and what if dont tell you ? :oP
[08:17] <Daisuke_Ido> enough is changing that you're going to be crying real quick
[08:17] <Daisuke_Ido> hardy is not ready, it will not be ready for several months
[08:18] <Daisuke_Ido> are there even repos for it yet?
[08:18] <Dry_Ice> so sleepy...
[08:18] <Daisuke_Ido> yeah, i gotta get to bed
[08:18] <Daisuke_Ido> was wondering why i was so tired
[08:18] <Daisuke_Ido> time chance
[08:18] <Daisuke_Ido> change*
[08:19] <Dry_Ice> lol
[08:19] <ioan> hey i'm form europe and here is  morning
[08:19] <harmental> Daisuke_Ido: ok... i guess i'll have to wait......thx!
[08:22] <MagicCow> I was messing around with my appearance settings, now any time I open a window, Kwin crashes, is there a way to gload the defaults through console or something?
[08:23] <jussi01> hmmm, someone know what the key combination for the process monitor is? ctrl +esc doesnt seem to work anymore...
[08:23] <ioan> harmental -if you like living on the edge you can try it -i did it with fiesty too -but is not so easy
[08:25] <harmental> ioan: all wanted to do is to upgrade gimp to the final release.....i guess i can wait for full fledged upgrade.....
[08:29] <MagicCow> Anyway, setting windows decorations back to default, anyone know how to do that?
[08:29] <MagicCow> If I can't actually open it without kwin crashing.
[08:29] <viktor_> hi i would like to install compiz
[08:29] <Dry_Ice> i need to find a blank cd...
[08:29] <Dry_Ice> bbs
[08:29] <MagicCow> viktor_:  I did that once, I can help where I can.
[08:29] <viktor_> does anyone know the site for the install compiz fusion
[08:30] <MagicCow> !compiz
[08:30] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[08:31] <viktor_> oh and i need some help plz i would like to change the boot loader to load windows first
[08:33] <posingaspopular> hey guys i lost my internet connection for a bit, and now akregrator shows all my feeds as red X icons
[08:33] <Dry_Ice> blast...
[08:33] <Dry_Ice> i can't find my spool of cds...
[08:34] <viktor_> how do i change the grubboot loaded
[08:34] <viktor_> to load windows first
[08:34] <viktor_> someone please help
[08:34] <Dry_Ice> can someone help me find my cds?
[08:35] <Dry_Ice> lol
[08:36] <Dry_Ice> !cd
[08:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cd - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:36] <spine55> Does anyone know how to change the default console font.  Not in a window but the console running behind X
[08:37] <ioan> never tryied
[08:37] <ioan> sorry
[08:41] <ioan> about changing console fonts here's a link-spine55
[08:41] <ioan> http://dsl.org/cookbook/cookbook_20.html
[08:42] <bazhang> nice find ioan
[08:43] <Dry_Ice> !install
[08:43] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[08:43] <Dry_Ice> !automate
[08:43] <ubotu> Ways to automate installation of Ubuntu on multiple machines are described at https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/installation-guide/i386/automatic-install.html - See also !cloning
[08:47] <Dry_Ice> hmmm
[08:47] <Dry_Ice> is there any way to install linux without a cd using mac os x?
[08:49] <Dry_Ice> if there isn't, i'll just do this when the sun comes up and i can actually look for the cds without waking the whole house up :P
[08:49] <ioan> i don't think you could without cd
[08:49] <Dry_Ice> ok
[08:50] <Dry_Ice> thanks
[09:01] <ioan> bye everybody
[09:01] <jussi01> !install | Dry_Ice
[09:01] <ubotu> Dry_Ice: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[09:09] <Dry_Ice> ok, mornin.../night
[09:14] <bazhang> hi jussi01
[09:15] <jussi01> hi there bazhang
[09:15] <bazhang> your system all sorted?
[09:16] <jussi01> bazhang: ?
[09:17] <bazhang> jussi01: is your system running ok now?
[09:17] <jussi01> bazhang: yes... why do you ask?
[09:17] <bazhang> jussi01: I recall you had a sound problem, or was it something else--just curious, that's all
[09:18] <jussi01> bazhang: no, no sound issues here...
[09:18] <bazhang> ok good
[09:18]  * Webbmaster has trouble with dark colours and openoffice
[09:18] <jussi01> bazhang: you could tell me the new keyboard shortcut for process monitor...
[09:19] <jussi01> ie. what used to be ctrl + esc
[09:26] <bazhang> jussi01: do you mean task manager--control + escape works here
[09:26] <jussi01> bazhang: yep. ctrl + esc brings up the k-menu here...
[09:27] <bazhang> jussi01: I beleive you can tweak that in keyboard shortcuts, found in regional & accessibiilty sub menu
[09:28] <jussi01> bazhang: thanks, Ill have a look
[09:28] <bazhang> many themes to choose from, Mac, Unix, kde3, kde4, etc. jussi01
[09:29] <b_> hello,gays
[09:29] <b_> guys
[09:29] <jussi01> b_: I hope thats a typo
[09:29] <jussi01> :)
[09:29] <bazhang> haha
[09:30] <b_> sorry my fault
[09:31] <b_> i have a biggggggest problem.i can't open my first hardware
[09:32] <bazhang> b_: could you be a bit more specific?
[09:32] <b_> my English is poor.sorry i install the kubuntu today first time
[09:34] <b_> bazhang. can u help me.
[09:35] <bazhang> b_: I'll try..but you need to be more clear about what the problem is
[09:36] <b_> thanks,i just double click the dolphin,and open the storage media
[09:36] <bazhang> okay, and you can't see your other hard drives/partitions--is that it?
[09:37] <Alarm> does anyone know here how to install themes that are in a gz files ?
[09:37] <b_> hard drivers,i can see them,but cant open them
[09:37] <bazhang> Alarm: for superkaramba/kbfx?
[09:37] <Alarm> for kde
[09:37] <bazhang> b_: are you trying to access windows drives/partitions?
[09:38] <b_> a big cross,and say "hal-storage-fixed-mount refused uid 1000
[09:38] <bazhang> b_: what are the other partitions--Linux or Windows?
[09:39] <Alarm> b_ thats kind of a bug
[09:39] <Alarm> b_,  do a sudo fdisk -l
[09:39] <b_> yes ,that's the point,i have two piece of harddrivers.i put my kubuntu into the 20G one
[09:39] <Alarm> and check whats the device name of the partition you want to mount
[09:39] <Alarm> is it an external hard drive ?
[09:40] <b_> my 80G one is vfat.windows' os i think
[09:40] <Alarm> is it an external usb drive ?
[09:40] <bazhang> !ntfs
[09:40] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE
[09:41] <b_> not usb,but ide. i think.because of my poor english ,i can't get the external mean
[09:41] <b_> no ntfs ,my drivers are all fat32
[09:42] <Alarm> fat32 ? ok
[09:42] <bazhang> b_: would it be easier in your native language?
[09:42] <Alarm> /dev/<device>    /media/<mount dir>    vfat    auto,gid=1000,umask=0002,iocharset=utf8     0    0
[09:42] <b_> my 20G one is ex3 and awp
[09:42] <Alarm> that would do for you
[09:42] <Alarm> of course if your user id is 1000 , you can check that with "id" command
[09:43] <b_> thx all. esp alarm. where i check those code?
[09:44] <b_> HET,i think
[09:45] <Alarm> in /etc/fstab , you write those lines for each drive
[09:45] <Alarm> after the reboot the partitions will be automounted with read/write access
[09:45] <b_> i will have a try ,thank u very much. give u all my points.:)
[09:48] <b_> alarm ,excuse,how to get in /etc/fstab. i am in the konsole now
[09:48] <Alarm> sudo nano /etc/fstab
[09:49] <b_> can i use some simple moves like"ctrl+C" ,to copy your code into the konsole
[09:50] <b_> shift+insert.i get
[09:55] <lordofthepigs> Hello!
[09:55] <pag> !hi | lordofthepigs
[09:55] <ubotu> lordofthepigs: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[09:55] <lordofthepigs> Where is that setting that tells KDE not to restore all of my open applications when I start a new session?
[09:56] <pag> lordofthepigs, kcontrol -> KDE Comp. -> Session Manager -> Start with an empty session
[09:57] <lordofthepigs> thanks
[09:57] <pag> np :)
[09:57] <lordofthepigs> how come the system settings doesn't show all the stuff that kcontrol does?
[09:58] <ciacon> hi guys - is it normal that amarok freezez up for like 60 secs on an idle 1,8ghz/768mb box, when loading songs onto an ipod with amarok???
[09:58] <lordofthepigs> And more importantly, why the hell is there no menu entry for kcontrol?
[09:58] <Jucato> lordofthepigs: System Settings -> Advanced tab -> Session Manager
[09:59]  * lordofthepigs wistles...
[09:59] <lordofthepigs> so does kcontrol really have more stuff than systemsettings?
[10:00] <Jucato> the stuff that system settings doesn't show can be reached through other applications/locations
[10:00] <Alarm> whats the difference between buffered and cached memory ?
[10:05] <kim_> kan man spille mp3 i kubuntu?
[10:06] <bazhang> kim_: play mp3? no problem
[10:08] <blekos> hi, how can i tell if my pc is 64bit?
[10:09] <Jucato> blekos: you know what type of processor it has?
[10:09] <lordofthepigs> Hmmm... In Feisty, I used to be able to show my desktop by typing win+d
[10:09] <lordofthepigs> any idea how I can restore that?
[10:09] <Jucato> lordofthepigs: Ctrl+Alt+D
[10:09] <blekos> intel core2 duo t7200
[10:10] <Jucato> System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse -> Keyboard Shortcuts if you want to change it
[10:10] <lordofthepigs> Jucato: okay, that's nice to know. How can I change it back to win+d?
[10:10] <Jucato> blekos: you're is a dual core. not 64-bit
[10:10] <Jucato> lordofthepigs: btw, Win+D is not the default
[10:10] <lordofthepigs> I lookedin the keyboard shortcuts, but I can't find the item
[10:10] <lordofthepigs> nevermind...
[10:12] <KalEl> how can i connect to a windows shared drive?
[10:12] <blekos> sorry to ask cilly questions, but in SuSe's site, when u want to download it recommends to choose 64bit verson if you have core 2
[10:12] <timri> blendtux:  Core2 Duo is
[10:12] <timri> blendtux: pls ignore
[10:13] <timri> blekos: Core2 IS 64 bit
[10:13] <Jucato> ah ok.thought it was dual core only
[10:13] <blendtux> i wont ignore it timri
[10:13] <blendtux> :)
[10:13] <timri> blendtux: :)
[10:14] <blekos> ok so my next question is, should i install the 64 of kubuntu? (currently have the x86)
[10:14] <timri> Jucato: All Core2's are 64 bit
[10:15] <tuxwulf> ... I have a  question ....
[10:15] <tuxwulf> How d I prevent a module from loading at boot time?
[10:15] <Jucato> timri: oh so they are not dual cores? or they are dual 64-bit cores?
[10:15] <timri> Jucato: Or, more precisely, are  x86-64 capable.
[10:15] <timri> Jucato: Core2 DUO == 2 core
[10:15] <timri> Jucato: THere are also
[10:16] <timri> Jucato: Quadcore Core2's
[10:16] <timri> Jucato: Sorrry for the multiple lines (something wrong on my end)
[10:16]  * timri is right back -- investigating enter key
[10:16] <Jucato> ah ok. thanks for the FYI
[10:17] <blekos> hmm, so is there any point of re-installing kubuntu with the 64bit version?
[10:18] <wilson__> 64 bit if it's a server , 32 bit if it's a desktop
[10:22] <lordofthepigs> hmm... I have a weird problem with my headset. When I plug it in, the sound stops coming out of the speakers, but doesn't actually come out from the headset
[10:22] <lordofthepigs> after looking around a little, It seems that I should be using the "HDA Intel" sound device
[10:23] <lordofthepigs> but I can't find it in the list of devices in "Sound System" settings
[10:23] <lordofthepigs> It used to work fine in Feisty
[10:23] <lordofthepigs> Note that the selection of channels is also different from the one I had in Feisty
[10:24] <tuxwulf> seems /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist?
[10:25] <Inphoar> Hey.
[10:25] <KalEl> how do i connect to a windows network?
[10:25] <Inphoar> Wow, a lot of people in here.
[10:26] <KalEl> atfq
[10:26] <Jucato> !samba | KalEl
[10:26] <ubotu> KalEl: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[10:27] <Inphoar> Hmm, I'm going. :P
[10:27] <Inphoar> BYE!
[10:27] <KalEl> ok
[10:27] <KalEl> thanks
[10:30] <blekos> can anyone tell me the command for backing up my whole system?
[10:30] <blekos> that is to create an image
[10:31] <Ace2016> create an image of the currently mounted hard drive? not sure if you can do that with a mounted drive
[10:32] <bazhang> would that be the 'dd' command?
[10:33] <blekos> generally i use simple backup program
[10:33] <blekos> but i need smg that will allow me to have my whole system and settings, so i just reinstall the current version and then
[10:33] <blekos> untar (?) my backup
[10:34] <bazhang> sounds like you just need to backup your home directory
[10:34] <blekos> if i backup my home dir, then i need to re-install the progs
[10:35] <blekos> ok, i know i can extract a list from the adept-manager and then re-iporting
[10:35] <bazhang> then the 'dd' command would likely be in order
[10:35] <blekos> but i am looking for one thing solution
[10:35] <blekos> hm dd command?
[10:35] <bazhang> gui you mean
[10:36] <blekos> doesnt matter if it's gui or not [i'd prefer gui though]
[10:37] <blekos> one thing solution is to backup everything, and not having a list of  progs, a backup of home dir, a backup of this & that
[10:37] <twosouls82> blekos:  you could have a look at partimage (http://www.partimage.org/Main_Page), we are considering using it at work
[10:39] <blekos> i'll have a look thnx :)
[10:39] <Ace2016> well for an automated backup system i'd have 2 hard drives and a samba share or something to put the disk image onto, then i'd install something small like dsl with a separate boot partition, then install ubuntu server or something, then create a corn job to restart the server every 24hrs, then create a startup script that coppies /boot/grub/menu.lst_dsl to menu.lst, and in dsl i'd create a bash script to mount the network shares and
[10:39] <Ace2016> dd an image onto the network share or to the second disk, and create a starup entry to copy menu.lst_kubuntu to menu.lst, basicly menu.lst makes the default startup option to dsl or kubuntu depending on what is to be restarted next, thus every 24 hours ubuntu restarts, goes into dsl, mounts the network uses dd to make an image of the network share, then restarts itself and goes into kubuntu and then carries on as the server :D
[10:40] <Ace2016> i mean uses dd to make an image of the hard disk onto the network share
[10:41] <lordofthepigs> Is there any way I can make kubuntu totally reset my sound settings?
[10:41] <Ace2016> oh wait
[10:42] <bascule> have a question, can GLXbe disabled at all in gutsy, tried # out GLX in the modules of xorg.conf and dri, still able to run glxgears, reason I'm asking is cause I am having a winr game issue relating to failed op codes on GLX
[10:42] <bascule> winr/wine
[10:42] <Ace2016> lordofthepigs: totally reset? to what?
[10:42] <lordofthepigs> To the point where it does the same configuration that it does at install time?
[10:43] <Ace2016> you could change the settings here: kcontrol > Sound & Multimedia >  Sound System
[10:44] <lordofthepigs> The thing is my sound used to work fine in Feisty, but my headset doesn't work in gutsy.
[10:44] <lordofthepigs> I remember I had to fiddle a lot to get my headset to work in feisty.
[10:45] <Ace2016> oh, thats probably not a settings issue, probably a bug
[10:45] <lordofthepigs> but I have no idea how I did that...
[10:45] <Ace2016> headset?
[10:45] <Ace2016> headphones?
[10:46] <Ace2016> is this for a laptop where the headphone jack stopped working or something?
[10:46] <lordofthepigs> exactly
[10:48] <sebr> more or less, how big is the download for an upgrade from feisty to gutsy?
[10:48] <lordofthepigs> Ace2016: You sound like you know something about it...
[10:48] <bascule> http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=9479 <-- last post incase you care
[10:48] <metiuz> Hi all
[10:49] <Ace2016> i have the same problem, hp laptop, using intel sound driver i think
[10:49] <Ace2016> snd-hda-intel
[10:50] <metiuz> i have 2 problems somebody can help me??
[10:50] <Ace2016> thats like saying i'd like to buy 2 thinks, how much will it cost? how are we supposed to know what you want to buy?
[10:51] <lordofthepigs> Yeah, I use the intel sound driver too, but I have an Asus laptop
[10:51] <lordofthepigs> It's quite annoying, because it worked in Feisty
[10:51] <metiuz> :/
[10:51] <timri> metiuz: just ask :)
[10:51] <lordofthepigs> Although I kinda remember having to compile alsa and reinstall from source...
[10:52] <Ace2016> lordofthepigs: i had to add "options snd-hda-intel model=laptop" to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base to get mine to work
[10:52] <lordofthepigs> I'll try that
[10:52] <lordofthepigs> how do I restart alsa after that?
[10:52] <Ace2016> you could just restart your computer
[10:53] <metiuz> i have problem with my ati x1550. i was download drivers to x1300/x1550 and i was installed. It doesn't work :/ please help me :)
[10:54] <timri> metiuz: using the restricted driver manager on Gutsy?
[10:54] <metiuz> i have Feisty Fawn
[10:55] <lordofthepigs> Ace2016: do you also have many "options" line in alsa-base that don't seem to have anything to do with your sound chipset?
[10:55] <timri> metiuz: Then I cant help you, sorry
[10:56] <Ace2016> yup
[10:56] <metiuz> :/
[10:56] <lordofthepigs> like snd-via82xx-modem
[10:56] <Ace2016> options snd-via82xx-modem index=-2
[10:56] <lordofthepigs> okay... so I guess I can leave it
[10:56] <lordofthepigs> I'll try rebooting and see what happens
[11:02] <addyk> Why can't I get zsnes through sudo apt-get install zsnes ?
[11:03] <addyk> is it because I have a 64-bit kubuntu ?
[11:03] <lordofthepigs> Ace2016: Do you have any idea where I can find the list of options there are for snd-hda-intel?
[11:03] <blekos> i've install ssh, but how can i run it so i can log in remotely?
[11:03] <ardchoille> !ssh
[11:03] <ubotu> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[11:04] <timri> addyk: You have universe repo enabled?
[11:04] <timri> blekos: You need ssh server of course
[11:04] <Ace2016> nope i got that info from the ubuntu forums, look there if that still hasn't worked
[11:04] <blekos> what i did is apt-get ssh
[11:04] <sekhar> hello today i upgraded from ubuntu 7.04 to 7.10! Now i get the error video card not detected!! (my card is nvidia 6200)  ! it was working fine with 7.04
[11:05] <sekhar> please help
[11:05] <addyk> timri, yes.
[11:05] <addyk> could it be the 64bit thing?
[11:05] <timri> blekos: thats the client. You will need packages openssh-server
[11:06] <timri> addyk: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=588744&highlight=dfreer+zsnes
[11:06] <pelletut> how do I send network message from Ubuntu ?
[11:07] <addyk> Thank timri
[11:07] <addyk> (thanks)
[11:10] <timri> pelletut: Look for "net send" on http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/unix_for_dos_users.html
[11:11] <pelletut> ok i try...
[11:13] <sekhar> ello today i upgraded from ubuntu 7.04 to 7.10! Now i get the error video card not detected!! (my card is nvidia 6200)  ! it was working fine with 7.04
[11:15] <timri> sekhar: Tried running nvidia-glx-config ?
[11:18] <vbgunz> how do you get a list of packages you explicitly installed? something like spkg --get-packages? but only shows packages I explicitly installed and not dependencies?
[11:24] <thomax__> does anyone in here knows how to merge several PDF files into one ?
[11:27] <pelletut_> hey timri... any linux software that can be used for netsend in ubuntu ?
[11:28] <timri> pelletut: smbclient
[11:28] <Tm_T> pelletut_: Kopete can do too
[11:28] <pelletut_> Kopete ??...eehh...
[11:29] <Tm_T> yes
[11:29] <pelletut_> ahaaa...i see now...
[11:29] <timri> pelletut: if you are after a windows "net send" replacement, smbclient is the only one I know of
[11:29] <Tm_T> "winpopup" protocol
[11:30] <Tm_T> timri: we are talking about the same thing yes
[11:30] <pelletut_> yes i see ...but the win side pc then ...does it need a software to ?!
[11:30] <Tm_T> nope
[11:31] <Tm_T> not that I know
[11:31] <timri> Tm_T: Heh, I just went and added a Winpopup account in kopete. (I learnt something today :) )
[11:31] <Tm_T> timri: you're welcome
[11:31] <lordofthepigs> Ace2016: I've had some success!
[11:31] <lordofthepigs> I can now hear static in my headphone when I'm at the login prompt
[11:31] <timri> lordofthepigs: :)
[11:32] <lordofthepigs> which seems to indicate that it works at this point
[11:32] <lordofthepigs> however, as soon as I log into kde, i lose the sound again
[11:32] <lordofthepigs> oh, no
[11:32] <lordofthepigs> I don't :)
[11:32] <lordofthepigs> I just had the volume to 0....
[11:32] <lordofthepigs> Cool! it works!
[11:33] <lordofthepigs> it seems that options snd-hda-intel model=auto was what worked for me
[11:33] <timri> lordofthepigs: perhaps a good one to add to the bot
[11:34] <lordofthepigs> hmm... how do you do that?
[11:34] <lordofthepigs> and How can I use the bot anyway?
[11:34] <pelletut_> okay..now i have a winpopup acc. in kopete...then what ?
[11:37] <blekos> in my work i have windows at home i have kubuntu, how can i see my home pc from work (vnc?)
[11:37] <jpatrick> blekos: if you've opened the right port on your router, yes
[11:38] <lordofthepigs> timri: according to this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/138322 using options snd-hda-intel model=auto solves a lot of problems for a lot of people
[11:38] <lordofthepigs> so much actually, that one guy suggest using this as default value
[11:38] <timri> lordofthepigs: thx, someone should add it to the ubotu database
[11:39] <lordofthepigs> so how do you add that to the bot?
[11:40] <timri> lordofthepigs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots (sorry for delay - peeling potatoes)
[11:40] <lordofthepigs> :)
[11:41] <lordofthepigs> !snd-hda-intel
[11:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about snd-hda-intel - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:41] <lordofthepigs> !hda-intel
[11:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hda-intel - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:42] <blekos> do you know any tutorial on how i can do this?
[11:42] <jpatrick> blekos: do you have access to your router at home?
[11:43] <lordofthepigs> blekos: you need to install the vnc server on your home computer
[11:43] <blekos> yes
[11:45] <blekos> i;ve install vncserver but i get the message
[11:45] <blekos> Couldn't start Xtightvnc; trying default font path.
[11:45] <blekos> Please set correct fontPath in the vncserver script.
[11:51] <pepe> hello
[11:51] <pepe> i have a problem with sound
[11:51] <pepe> before installing ATI Drivers, the sound was ok
[11:52] <pepe> but after it... it has a low volume
[11:53] <bucatoamano> pepe: ohi
[11:53] <bucatoamano> pepe: what kind of card do you have ?
[11:54] <pepe> Realtek ALC861
[11:54] <bucatoamano> pepe: xD the same of mine
[11:54] <pepe> do you know what is the problem?
[11:54] <bucatoamano> pepe: i have installed the realtek driver (alsa driver patched  fore realtek card )
[11:55] <pepe> and it was solved?
[11:55] <bucatoamano> pepe: i have solved but i have alc861-vd
[11:56] <bucatoamano> pepe: see here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=564520
[11:56] <bucatoamano> pepe:  but i don t know if for your card can work.....anyway i have dowloaded the drivere for linux from realtek official webpage
[11:56] <pepe> thanks
[11:57] <pepe> i will try
[11:57] <bucatoamano> pepe: and i have seeen your card is supported
[11:58] <pepe> thanks for help :)
[11:58] <pepe> it was making me trouble
[12:00] <bucatoamano> pepe: :)
[12:03] <Alarm> whats the difference between buffered and cached memory ?
[12:06] <acemo> theres still no kubuntu packages for kde4 beta 4?
[12:08] <vzduch> acemo: there have been for a while.. check out kde.org, they have some repos there
[12:08] <vzduch> plus installation instructions
[12:08] <franco> hi everybody
[12:09] <Lowe> hi!
[12:32] <acemo> vzduch: i cant seem to find them.. :S
[12:33] <vzduch> !kde4
[12:33] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. Beta 3 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta3.php
[12:33] <acemo> thats beta 3 packages
[12:34] <vzduch> so if there's an announcement for beta4, it should contain pkg links
[12:34] <nosrednaekim> I'm not sure if the beta4;s have been released yet, but if they have, they are i gutsy backports
[12:36] <acemo> nosrednaekim: kubuntu self didnt release them yet.. kde4 beta 4 is out for almost a week already now
[12:37] <nosrednaekim> I know.
[12:39] <superbnerb> ola
[12:43] <ubuntu> hai
[12:43] <nosrednaekim> hey ubuntu, superbnerb
[12:47] <Exploit> how can i change the symbol of a reference on my desktop?
[12:47] <nosrednaekim> Exploit: you mean an icon of a shortcut?
[12:48] <Tm_T> TimS|away: nooooooo!
[12:50] <Exploit> nosrednaekim: yes
[12:50] <Exploit> nosrednaekim: i got something on my desktop and if i click on it it will start something in /..../.../...
[12:50] <nosrednaekim> Exploit: right click on the shortcut and select properties
[12:51] <Exploit> ok and where is it there=
[12:52] <nosrednaekim> click on the little gear or icon in that window
[12:53] <Exploit> the one for application/x-shell editing?
[12:55] <nosrednaekim> Exploit: I guess, its the only clickable icon on the window
[12:55] <Exploit> ok than it is it
[12:55] <nosrednaekim> then select a new icon from the list..
[12:55] <Exploit> i see my shortcur is a shell script :)
[12:56] <Exploit> how can i add there my own symbol?
[12:57] <nosrednaekim> I think there is a little folder icon up at the top of that window..
[12:57] <Exploit> yes found it. thank you :))
[12:58] <Exploit> nosrednaekim: the icon in the settings menue of the shortcut changed but not on my desktop :(
[12:59] <nosrednaekim> right click on the desktop and tell it to refresh
[12:59] <tekteen> anyone know how to create spanish characters (accented, etc) in kubuntu?
[12:59] <Exploit> no change.. still a white piece of paper with some code on it and a little shell box
[13:00] <nosrednaekim> ooh! you have previews turned on!
[13:00] <nosrednaekim> thats a "preview" of the actualy document
[13:00] <Exploit> automatic preview is off
[13:00] <nosrednaekim> really?
[13:01] <nosrednaekim> humph
[13:01] <Exploit> yes. last tree the box is deactivated
[13:01] <nosrednaekim> so what exactly is it? a link to a shell script?
[13:01] <Exploit> description said its a Shell-Skript
[13:02] <Exploit> i got it from the directory i found it. its a programm i had to install by myself
[13:02] <nosrednaekim> ahh ha... if you click it... what happens?
[13:03] <Exploit> i opende the thing with editor.. do you want the lines?
[13:03] <Exploit> it opens bluej (the program i want to start)
[13:04] <nosrednaekim> hmm ok
[13:04] <Exploit> do you want the lines of the shortcut?
[13:05] <nosrednaekim> no...
[13:05] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: got any clue on this?
[13:06] <Jucato> um. what?
[13:06] <Tm_T> Jucato: hug me
[13:06] <Jucato> why?
[13:06] <Exploit> nosrednaekim: the text on my actual icon looks like the first letters of the lines of the shortcut
[13:06] <nosrednaekim> Exploit: how did you make the shortcut? link to application?
[13:07] <Exploit> i think so
[13:07] <Exploit> i clicked it and draw it to my desktop
[13:08] <Exploit> than i klicked on the second possibility
[13:09] <nosrednaekim> Exploit: ah! there you go!
[13:09] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: NMI figured it out.
[13:09] <anton__> Hi, what command can I use to kill a program? For example, my firefox complains about it is already running...what to do?
[13:09] <Exploit> hmmm i got my icon in small!
[13:09] <Exploit> its instead of the little shell there now :(
[13:09] <nosrednaekim> Exploit: delete that shortcut
[13:09] <llutz> anton__: killall firefox-bin
[13:09] <Exploit> okay
[13:09] <nosrednaekim> Exploit: then right click->ad item->link to application
[13:09] <Jucato> anton__: Ctrl+Esc to see the list of running processes and programs
[13:10] <Exploit> okay
[13:11] <anton__> ?
[13:11] <nosrednaekim> then put the command to be the path to your program, and set the title to be w/e and the select an icon
[13:11] <Exploit> yah now i got my bird :)
[13:12] <nosrednaekim> the thing you did before was put the actual shell script in the ~/Desktop directory.
[13:12] <nosrednaekim> which give a preview (and can screw up some programs)
[13:13] <Exploit> ahhh okay thank you:)
[13:14] <Shapeshifter> I have a problem getting my dual head setup working correctly. I have two screens, one of them should run at 1600x1200@75 and one at 1600x1200@85, while the 75hz one is on the left and the 85hz one is on the right, and the 85hz one should be the primary one. So the seconadry screen is on the left. I also want to run two independet X screens.
[13:14] <Shapeshifter> The nvidia drviers are installed correctly, but however I configure xorg.conf (with the kde tool, nvidia-settings or by editingit manually) I can't get it working that way. Whenever I log in the right/primary screen0 has a resolution of 1024x786 and both screens run at lower Hz then I want them to.
[13:14] <Shapeshifter> After the login I can go into nvidia-settings and manually change it to the correct values and that works, the monitors are capable of such resoultions and frequencies. This is my xorg.conf http://pastebin.ca/760852 Could someone please help me get this working, yesterday I've been trying to get this working for two hours....
[13:14] <nonewmsgs_> now if i already have kubuntu and i want gnome toooo, and i already have an ubuntu cd, can i just use the cd instead of downloading all the stuffs from the net
[13:15] <Jucato> nonewmsgs_: not if you only have a Desktop CD of Ubuntu
[13:15] <nonewmsgs_> ok - thanks
[13:15] <nosrednaekim> Shapeshifter: I'm sorry, but i'm no Xorg guru :(
[13:16] <nonewmsgs_> me and apt are buddies anyway
[13:18] <tekstacy> how do I install a .rpm in 7.10?
[13:19] <nosrednaekim> !rpm
[13:19] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[13:19] <tekstacy> I thought I read somewhere that 7.10 would allow support, but I guess not....    :(
[13:19] <larry> hi
[13:19] <seezer> tekstacy: install 'alien'
[13:20] <tekstacy> I tried that, but it seems to screw up the package
[13:20] <nonewmsgs_> shapeshifter ive been reading your xorg and it looks perrfect to me :\
[13:20] <Exploit> nosrednaekim: there is one more problem.. what do i have to write under "program" into the "command" line? if i write bluej he cannot start it because its not executable.. the file is a shellscript too
[13:20] <tekstacy> not ruling out the package is screwed up in the first place...it's from Verizon
[13:20] <larry> I have problem with bluetooth and 7.10,
[13:21] <seezer> tekstacy: tried with option "-c"?
[13:21] <larry> Can someone help me?
[13:21] <seezer> otherwise all pre- or post installation tasks will not be converted into the deb file
[13:22] <nosrednaekim> Exploit: you mean the workpath?
[13:22] <tekstacy> COOL, I will try this, didn't know this.   Guess I should have read up a bit more
[13:22] <MatBoy> hey guys, are there also problem with krdc on Kubuntu ? It doesn't go fullscreen anymore on Gutsy Xubuntu
[13:22] <Shapeshifter> nonewmsgs_: Yeah, I think that too, I just don't get it, why does X always forget my screen setup? I can change it back to what I want one I'm logged in but this is totally annoying :|
[13:22] <MatBoy> *problems
[13:23] <Exploit> nosrednaekim: i got a filed for "working directory" there is "/opt/bluej" now and under command "bluej" (thats the name of my file)
[13:23] <nosrednaekim> MatBoy: maybe there are problems with it running from inside XFCE ;)
[13:23] <nosrednaekim> no.... get rid of the working directory and put the whole path under command
[13:23] <MatBoy> nosrednaekim, yep that is what I'm trying to find out... I have seen errors before on it
[13:24] <MatBoy> but that was months ago
[13:24] <Exploit> nosrednaekim: ahh now it works
[13:24] <Exploit> nosrednaekim: whats the working directory good for?
[13:24] <seezer> tekstacy: i don't know if it will solve your problems - but it's worth a try ;)
[13:24] <nosrednaekim> IDK :D
[13:25] <larry> can someone help me with bluetooth and Guetsy?
[13:25] <tekstacy> also, isn't there a key you can hold down at boot to prevent x from starting?
[13:25] <nosrednaekim> !bluetooth | larry
[13:25] <ubotu> larry: For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[13:25] <tekstacy> seezer, it made the .deb fine, hopefully this one will work
[13:26] <MatBoy> nosrednaekim, works ok on KDE ?
[13:26] <tekstacy> will stuff made for suse work on kubuntu?
[13:26] <seezer> chances are quite high. but this totaly depends on the package
[13:26] <nosrednaekim> MatBoy: I don't use it
[13:26] <MatBoy> nosrednaekim, ok
[13:27] <fizi> Kann mir jemand Helfen? http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/126905/
[13:27] <Exploit> okay thanks so much nosrednaekim! I'll go offline for now :)
[13:28] <Exploit> Goodbye everyone
[13:28] <seezer> tekstacy: to prevent x from loading you have to write "single" to the end of your boot-line (in the grub menu press "e" at your kubuntu line, add "single" to the end of the "kernel" line, press "return" and press "b" to boot)
[13:29] <seezer> but this also prevents most other daemons from beeing started
[13:29] <seezer> (for this single boot)
[13:29] <seezer> if you finished your work type 'init 2' and everything skipped gets loaded
[13:29] <larry> i have follow all, but i cant send file from pc to cell but no the revers
[13:30] <tekstacy> seezer, thanks
[13:30] <tekstacy> I installed the wrong ati driver and couldn't get back in to change it
[13:31] <seezer> ah
[13:31] <seezer> you don't have to reboot for that
[13:32] <tekstacy> seezer, the .deb installed fine, but it turns out the package is no good for me. But hey, it was a learning process
[13:32] <seezer> ;)
[13:32] <tekstacy> how do I do it without rebooting?
[13:33] <nosrednaekim> larry: might want to search good for your cell phone model and linux
[13:33] <nosrednaekim> *google
[13:33] <seezer> what exactly are you trying to do?
[13:33] <seezer> change the ati driver back to the old one?
[13:33] <tekstacy> get to a text login so I can dpkg-reconfigure x
[13:34] <larry> nosrednaekim, with 7.04 is all right, with 7.10 no
[13:34] <seezer> tekstacy: press ctrl+alt+f1
[13:34] <tekstacy> :)  unless you know a better way?
[13:34] <nosrednaekim> larry: no clue... bluetooth is one of thise things which I have never tested, and don';t have the hardware to do so.
[13:34] <tekstacy> thanks
[13:34] <seezer> ctrl+alt+f7 should bring you back to the running X session
[13:34] <seezer> but after reconfiguration you should restart kdm
[13:35] <larry> ok thanks
[13:35] <seezer> /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[13:35] <seezer> (as root [sudo])
[13:35] <nonewmsgs_> now if i sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop from kubuntu6.10_AMD64 is it going to give me the 64bit ubuntu or the 32bit
[13:36] <tekstacy> Today I might install kubuntu on a super-badass box....
[13:36] <tekstacy> in BesyBuy
[13:36] <tekstacy> er BestBuy
[13:36] <nosrednaekim> 64
[13:36] <seezer> a super-badass box? :)
[13:37] <tekstacy> yup, you scoff at my superb technical terminology?   :)
[13:37] <nonewmsgs_> norednaekim excellant
[13:38] <nonewmsgs_> i think i hve a super-badass box, but i want to be sure
[13:38] <tekstacy> seezer, Yay! I got a text login!
[13:38] <Shapeshifter> I have a problem getting my dual head setup working correctly. I have two screens, one of them should run at 1600x1200@75 and one at 1600x1200@85, while the 75hz one is on the left and the 85hz one is on the right, and the 85hz one should be the primary one. So the seconadry screen is on the left. I also want to run two independet X screens.
[13:38] <Shapeshifter> The nvidia drviers are installed correctly, but however I configure xorg.conf (with the kde tool, nvidia-settings or by editingit manually) I can't get it working that way. Whenever I log in the right/primary screen0 has a resolution of 1024x786 and both screens run at lower Hz then I want them to.
[13:38] <Shapeshifter> After the login I can go into nvidia-settings and manually change it to the correct values and that works, the monitors are capable of such resoultions and frequencies. This is my xorg.conf http://pastebin.ca/760852 Could someone please help me get this working, yesterday I've been trying to get this working for two hours....
[13:39] <seezer> Shapeshifter: it works with nvida-settings loaded right?
[13:40] <Jahman> hi
[13:40] <Shapeshifter> seezer: yes, after login I can change everything to the values I want
[13:40] <anton__> Hi, what command can I use to kill a program? For example, my firefox complains about it is already running...what to do?
[13:40] <nosrednaekim> hi Jahman
[13:40] <seezer> Shapeshifter: tried "nvidia-settings -l" ?
[13:40] <seezer> this only starts the tool, loads the config and exits back again
[13:41] <ChaosMachine> anton__, kill (pid)
[13:41] <seezer> if you put this into .xinitrc or something, it gets loaded whenever you login
[13:42] <ChaosMachine> anton__, or in kubuntu you can just use ctrl + esc for a graphical alternative.
[13:42] <Shapeshifter> seezer: The problem is, after login everything is wrong, and if I start nvidia-settings the configuration is actually wrong in there, too.
[13:42] <seezer> Shapeshifter: ah ok
[13:42] <seezer> and you press 'save to x configuration file' in nvidia-settings, right?
[13:42] <mb999> Hi all. Where do I go to report a bug in the upgrade to edgy?
[13:43] <Shapeshifter> seezer: Someone at #xorg just told me something about "preferredmode" but it seems not to apply to the nvidia driver or something like that
[13:43] <mb999> Getting a 404 error when trying to get a package list: http://flomertens.keo.in/ubuntu/dists/edgy/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz
[13:43] <Shapeshifter> seezer: yes, have  look at the xorg.conf, it looks right, doesn't it: http://pastebin.ca/760852
[13:44] <nosrednaekim> mb999: switch mirrors
[13:44] <mb999> I did
[13:45] <anton__> thanks!
[13:45] <Shapeshifter> seezer: Unfortunately I gtg now, you can leave me a message, I'll read it, thanks for you help
[13:45] <mb999> Went with the version upgrade. Changed to main server. Will try again with danish mirrors now. Thanks for the advice.
[13:45] <seezer> Shapeshifter: ah sorry. missed that. i did all those things with "twin view" but you disabled that
[13:45] <seezer> haven't had any problems with that (years ago..)
[13:45] <tekstacy> ok, one more question.....
[13:46] <seezer> Shapeshifter: i guess i can't help you in the finite time i have today..
[13:46] <tekstacy> what's the easiest way to back up an entire hdd?
[13:46] <mb999> dd?
[13:46] <ardchoille> tekstacy: PartImage: http://sysresccd.org
[13:47]  * tekstacy thumps head against wall
[13:47] <ardchoille> tekstacy: dd will copy the entire partition, PartImage will only copy the used portion of the partition
[13:47] <tekstacy> I have that and forgot about it.   Thanks
[13:47] <ardchoille> hehe
[13:48] <jetsaredim> can someone point me to the set of commands to run to fix and recover a failed apt-get?
[13:48] <nosrednaekim> jetsaredim: what part failed..
[13:48] <seezer> jetsaredim: isn't apt or dpkg verbose enough?
[13:49] <mb999> Hmm. the dist upgrade still tries to access the flomertens.keo.in server no matter what mirror I select for the packages. Anybody have a workaround for this?
[13:49] <jetsaredim> well
[13:50] <jetsaredim> I'm just getting normal updates through adept_updater
[13:50] <jetsaredim> but for some reason during the install/configure step it keeps getting a failure
[13:50] <nonewmsgs_> mb999 are you deciding to just go to edgy, or do you want feisty/gutsy
[13:51] <nosrednaekim> mb999: you have to re get the package lists after changing the mirror
[13:51] <mb999> want the latest. I believe it's 7.10? I'm following the destructions on the website, and have the 'full upgrade' button available. it keeps barfing though when it's downloading.
[13:51] <mb999> sorry, 'version upgrade'
[13:52] <mb999> ^- upgrade wizard thing, I believe.
[13:52] <nonewmsgs_> mb999 i would recomend a clean install.  even from just feisty to gutsy i have seen more systems break than upgrade correctly
[13:52] <mb999> ok. Was worth a try :) Thanks for the advice
[13:52] <nosrednaekim> mb999: you could always use the alternate CD to upgrade with
[13:53] <mb999> I think a clean install is in order. Now if I could just remember the crap I have installed?...
[13:53] <nonewmsgs_> mb999 the biggest thing is to just copy /home.  you can always get the latest versions of the programs you need
[13:54] <newbe> hi all
[13:54] <newbe> could someone please explain to me how to deactivate the Kubuntu startup logo
[13:54] <nonewmsgs_> hey newbe
[13:55] <newbe> I want to see what Kubuntu is loading
[13:55] <jpatrick> newbe: you mean the usplash theme?
[13:55] <newbe> I don't like to just look at the startup sceen and don'T know what happen
[13:55] <newbe> I guess so
[13:56] <jpatrick> !usplash
[13:56] <ubotu> To select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork
[13:56] <renecane> minkä takia osioinnin yhteydessä 200Gb kovosta löytyy vain 125Gb tilaa?
[13:57] <atlfalcons866> what program gives 3d effects
[13:57] <newbe> jpatrick: yes it's the thing right after turning on the PC and after check the drives and stuff
[13:57] <jpatrick> !compiz | atlfalcons866
[13:57] <ubotu> atlfalcons866: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[13:57] <atlfalcons866> how do you make |
[13:57] <jpatrick> !fi | renecane
[13:57] <ubotu> renecane: Suomenkielinen keskustelu (K)Ubuntusta kanavilla #ubuntu-fi ja #kubuntu-fi
[13:58] <jpatrick> atlfalcons866: depends on your keyboard
[13:58] <atlfalcons866> is 933MHz enough for effects
[13:58] <tekstacy> Does Compiz help you get more done, or just look cool? Haven't tried it yet
[14:00] <atlfalcons866> is 933MHz enough for effects
[14:00] <ardchoille> tekstacy: Some people say it looks cool. I tried it and found it annoying
[14:01] <newbe> jpatrick: I think you get me wrong. I'm talking about the kubuntu startscreen. It's the  thing that is shown wile kubuntu is starting and loading all the drivers and stuff
[14:01] <tekstacy> :)  thought it might be.
[14:01] <newbe> I don't know how to describe it better
[14:01] <jpatrick> newbe: yeah, that's usplash
[14:02] <newbe> you turn on the computer then the HD and CDROM will be checked then you have a chance to decide which system you wanne start and then there is this bloody bootscree I wanne lose
[14:03] <tekstacy> gtg, bye all. Thanks for the help
[14:03] <seezer> bye
[14:03] <tekstacy> Remember, with MS Vista, failure is not an option
[14:04] <tekstacy> It comes pre-installed
[14:05] <newbe> jpatrick: how do I deactivate it
[14:05] <ardchoille> newbe: You can get rid of that boot splash screen easily. Remove the word "splash" from your kernel line and defoptions in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[14:05] <jpatrick> as ardchoille says :)
[14:11] <auser> hello ?
[14:11] <auser> how to add a node?
[14:11] <ubunturos> !hi | auser
[14:11] <ubotu> auser: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[14:11] <auser> thanks~
[14:16] <Shapeshifter> I have a problem getting my dual head setup working correctly. I have two screens, one of them should run at 1600x1200@75 and one at 1600x1200@85, while the 75hz one is on the left and the 85hz one is on the right, and the 85hz one should be the primary one. So the seconadry screen is on the left. I also want to run two independet X screens.
[14:16] <Shapeshifter> The nvidia drviers are installed correctly, but however I configure xorg.conf (with the kde tool, nvidia-settings or by editingit manually) I can't get it working that way. Whenever I log in the right/primary screen0 has a resolution of 1024x786 and both screens run at lower Hz then I want them to.
[14:16] <Shapeshifter> After the login I can go into nvidia-settings and manually change it to the correct values and that works, the monitors are capable of such resoultions and frequencies. This is my xorg.conf http://pastebin.ca/760852 Could someone please help me get this working, yesterday I've been trying to get this working for two hours....
[14:19] <auser> you need install nvidia driver first
[14:19] <Shapeshifter> auser: It's installed correctly
[14:19] <auser> and use a command : dpkg-reconfigure
[14:20] <auser> search at internet, this command needs a parameter like xerver-***
[14:20] <auser> like xserver-***
[14:20] <auser> then will generate a xorg.conf
[14:20] <jpatrick> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[14:21] <Shapeshifter> auser: no I don't see why I woul need to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. 1. Have a look at my xorg.conf, it's configured very well, and 2. I use nvidia-settings to generate the xorg.conf
[14:21] <auser> now is ok, edit the configure file, delete the 1600x1200 and so on
[14:22] <auser> generate a new xorg.conf, it's old format
[14:23] <Shapeshifter> auser: why? ^^ I don't get it, I _want_ to have it 1600x1200. What do you mean it's old format, what's wrong with the xorg.conf?
[14:26] <DexterF> how do I "scan" a network for windows shares?
[14:27] <auser> want to use ?
[14:27] <auser> sorry ,  never thought about it
[14:28] <auser> may be your vedio card not support this
[14:29] <Shapeshifter> auser: !  It does ^^ Just after logging in I can change everything in nvidia-settings to the values I want, and everything is fine but if I log off and log in again evereything is back to the wrong settings
[14:29] <auser> nvidia-settings does not work ?
[14:31] <Shapeshifter> auser: Yes it does ^^ Just as I said, I can configure the screen to the correct values just after the login and everything is fine, I can also write to xorg.conf but after log off and log on the lower resolutions and freqs are back.
[14:33] <auser> i delete all of my configures but 1024x768  :)
[14:33] <auser> so it works fine
[14:33] <auser> and i don't want to change
[14:35] <auser> shapeshifter: where are you from ?
[14:38] <Shapeshifter> auser: germany
[14:39] <auser> lot's is germany :)
[14:41] <zen_> sound problems with kubuntu ?
[14:41] <zen_> anybody?
[14:41] <zen_> problemas de sonido en kubuntu
[14:42] <methods> i thought the ubuntu book came with a pdf version on the cd ?
[14:45] <kanamal> hello everybody...
[14:54] <nonewmsgs_> where can i get emerald fusion themes?  i tried the button in emerald and i tried apt-get install emerald-themes
[14:56] <awag> nonewmsgs_, try compiz-themes.com, the emerald button didn't work for me either
[14:56] <nonewmsgs_> thanks
[14:56] <al> 1
[14:56] <awag> wait
[14:56] <awag> sorry, .org
[14:56] <awag> not .com
[14:57] <nonewmsgs_> orgs are more fun anyway
[14:57] <awag> hehe
[15:00] <nonewmsgs_> now on that site they have k themes, beryl themes and compiz themes.  will a beryl theme work with fusion
[15:14] <Shapeshifter> I have a problem getting my dual head setup working correctly. I have two screens, one of them should run at 1600x1200@75 and one at 1600x1200@85, while the 75hz one is on the left and the 85hz one is on the right, and the 85hz one should be the primary one. So the seconadry screen is on the left. I also want to run two independet X screens.
[15:14] <Shapeshifter> The nvidia drviers are installed correctly, but however I configure xorg.conf (with the kde tool, nvidia-settings or by editingit manually) I can't get it working that way. Whenever I log in the right/primary screen0 has a resolution of 1024x786 and both screens run at lower Hz then I want them to.
[15:14] <Shapeshifter> After the login I can go into nvidia-settings and manually change it to the correct values and that works, the monitors are capable of such resoultions and frequencies. This is my xorg.conf http://pastebin.ca/760852 Could someone please help me get this working, yesterday I've been trying to get this working for two hours....
[15:14] <Alarm> thats call copy paste  !
[15:14] <Shapeshifter> Alarm: yep. refreshing my problem.
[15:15] <Jucato> Shapeshifter: since you seem to be having no luck with your issue in here, you might want to try and check ubuntuforums.org and kubuntuforums.net
[15:15] <Shapeshifter> Jucato: Yes I'm doing this right now, also checking #xorg and #nvidia. :|
[15:15] <Alarm> Jucato, every installed a kde theme ?
[15:16] <Jucato> not lately
[15:16] <Jucato> Alarm: you can do it graphically if you install the kdmtheme package, then go to System Settings -> Appearance -> KDM Theme Manager
[15:16] <Alarm> except of the kth files that can easily be installed from the theme manager, how on earth to i install themes that are like gz files ?
[15:16] <gaspipe1> hello all
[15:16] <Alarm> Jucato,  thats for theme files. how about themes that are being downloaded as gz files
[15:17] <Jucato> Alarm: no. I said **KDM** Theme Manager. not KDE Theme Manager (which isn't in System Settings anyway)
[15:17] <Jucato> er wait lol
[15:17] <Jucato> roflmao sorry not reading red text well today
[15:17] <Alarm> well kdm theme manager doenst open gz files :)
[15:17] <Alarm> hehe
[15:18] <Jucato> what kind of a theme is it? that's always the first question.
[15:18] <icewaterman> hi, i am using kubuntu and i have problems with the free radeon driver for my r300 (radeon 9700 pro). mostly google-earth is so slow and shows wrong 3d images
[15:18] <Alarm> well one of them is a macos style one , and the second a vista one
[15:18] <Alarm> when uncompressing it it includes folders like arrows, gtk and stuff like that
[15:18] <Alarm> downloaded them from kde-look
[15:19] <Jucato> Alarm: what specifically? is it a widget Style,  window decoration? etc?
[15:19] <Alarm> theme for kde, to change windows appearance
[15:19] <Alarm> let me find one link
[15:20] <Alarm> example: http://www.debian-art.org/content/show.php/MacOS-X+Aqua+Theme?content=13548
[15:20] <Alarm> or http://www.debian-art.org/content/show.php/LiNsta+3+%28Linux+is+Not+Vista%29?content=44570
[15:20] <Jucato> Alarm: er.. Type:  GTK 2.x Theme/Style
[15:20] <Jucato> that means it's a style for GTK, which GNOME uses....
[15:20] <gaspipe1> anyone check out ultimate ubuntu?
[15:21] <Jucato> icewaterman: can you type this command in Konsole: glxinfo | grep render
[15:21] <Alarm> okie, so i need kde ones
[15:21] <Wolven_Pariah_UK> java has gone nuts...it keeps trying to force me to install it but that causes my adept to lock up...
[15:21] <Jucato> Alarm: definitely...
[15:21] <Jucato> Alarm: both are GTK themes. you won't be able to use those
[15:21] <Alarm> question. installing it , would change just the appearance of my kde environment or also of all the applications
[15:22] <Alarm> http://www.debian-art.org/content/show.php/Baghira?content=8692 isnt. i did find one baghira in my repo .but wasnt working that well , saw many issues with it
[15:22] <Alarm> to have a qood question, what are the gtk themes exactly ?
[15:22] <Alarm> themes just for gtk apps ?
[15:22] <tomg_> does your baghira sscrew up the gtk-qt engine?
[15:23] <tomg_> icewaterman: why not use fglrx?
[15:23] <tomg_> icewaterman: ie binary
[15:23] <syd> hi
[15:24] <syd> i've some problems with console in my kubuntu 7.10 x64
[15:24] <syd> i can use my X server, everything works good
[15:24] <Jucato> Alarm: GTK is the GUI library that GNOME uses for its user interface. so yes, GTK themes are for GTK apps, which would be GNOME apps too
[15:24] <syd> but when i want to use console (ctrl+alt+f1)
[15:24] <eagles0513875> syd:  what problems i am running the 64bit and have no problems with my console
[15:24] <Alarm> okie
[15:24] <syd> i can see only black screen
[15:25] <syd> and nothing more
[15:25] <tomg_> syd: what gfx card u have?
[15:25] <sorin> hi guys ! i try to mount an external hdd an i can't do this because hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000
[15:25] <eagles0513875> tomg_: i have that same issue i just noticed that
[15:25] <syd> i can return to X server
[15:25] <eagles0513875> syd: i have that same issue when i do ctrl alt f1
[15:25] <tomg_> eagles0513875: i think ill try a new qt-gtk enigne version if i can find one
[15:25] <syd> i've tried to change vga mode in grub list (vga=791), but it doesn
[15:25] <Wolven_Pariah_UK> adept wont install anything...
[15:25] <syd> ...work :p
[15:26] <icewaterman> tomg_: because fglrx are binary only drivers and i use a self-compiled kernel (too much to do to get the ati module working with that kernel)
[15:26] <icewaterman> and the binary driver also sucks
[15:26] <syd> what can be wrong with it?
[15:26] <eagles0513875> i dont use it that much to bother with it
[15:26] <sorin> please any solution?
[15:26] <Jucato> icewaterman: did you run the command I gave?
[15:26] <icewaterman> Jucato: not yet : direct rendering: Yes
[15:26] <icewaterman> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R300 20060815 AGP 8x TCL
[15:27] <Jucato> ah that might be your problem...
[15:27] <icewaterman> ?
[15:27] <icewaterman> is mesa too old?
[15:28] <tomg_> icewaterman: well the open source one is slower than fglrx, imho, but it is pretty buggy, becuase its reverse enigneered isnt it
[15:28] <Jucato> Mesa is a software OpenGL renderer.. it will always be slower compared to 3D hardware acceleration (provided by the usually proprietary drivers)
[15:28] <icewaterman> Jucato: well but the command also said direct rendering was set to yes
[15:28] <syd> something gone wrong, i'll repeat
[15:29] <syd> [16:23] <syd> hi
[15:29]  * Jucato really knows very little about the ATI drivers...
[15:29] <syd> [16:24] <syd> i've some problems with console in my kubuntu 7.10 x64
[15:29] <syd> [16:24] <syd> i can use my X server, everything works good
[15:29] <syd> [16:24] <syd> but when i want to use console (ctrl+alt+f1)
[15:29] <icewaterman> and before i migrated to ubuntu it ran fine on debian etch
[15:29] <syd> [16:24] <syd> i can see only black screen
[15:29] <syd> [16:25] <syd> and nothing more
[15:29] <syd> [16:25] <syd> i can return to X server
[15:29] <syd> [16:25] <syd> i've tried to change vga mode in grub list (vga=791), but it doesn
[15:29] <syd> [16:25] <syd> ...work :p
[15:29] <syd> [16:26] <syd> what can be wrong with it?
[15:29] <tomg_> icewaterman direct rendering is different to hardware acceleration
[15:29] <icewaterman> syd: will /etc/init.d/kdm restart help?
[15:29] <Jucato> syd: try not to flood next time...
[15:30] <syd> icewaterman: x works very vell
[15:30] <icewaterman> tomg_: it worked with the same kernel on debian (with hardware acceleration)
[15:30] <icewaterman> syd: you said you cannot return with ctrl+alt+f7
[15:30] <syd> i can return
[15:31] <icewaterman> syd: what is your problem then?
[15:31] <syd> console doesn't work
[15:31] <syd> it's only black screen
[15:31] <tomg_> icewaterman: hmmm i guess ill not talk you into binary drivers, could try compiling them from git for latest features/bugfixes
[15:31] <icewaterman> syd: self-compiled kernel?
[15:31] <syd> no
[15:31] <syd> originaln with kubuntu 7.10
[15:31] <icewaterman> syd: change to tty2 instead of tty1
[15:32] <syd> doesn't work
[15:32] <icewaterman> tomg_: binary drivers are not much more stable and binary after all (= more difficult to debug if at all)
[15:32] <icewaterman> syd: logout and have kdm return you to console
[15:32] <syd> i had problems like that, but changin vga mode in kernel section helped
[15:33] <icewaterman> syd: i am not using any framebuffer driver and it works fine here
[15:33] <syd> but i cant see anything before x starts
[15:33] <tomg_> icewaterman i dont want to go into the binary v open source driver debate, i just use what works best, and would it be that much of a chore to compile fglrx from the ati webstie?
[15:34] <icewaterman> tomg_: it is if you want to get it running with a patched kernel
[15:34] <icewaterman> tomg_: my kernel is heavily patched and amd64 not i386 so i doubt ati binary will do any better
[15:35] <tomg_> icewaterman wouldnt it be worth 20 mins try?
[15:36] <tomg_> icewaterman i know its not ideal (i have intel :-) yaay) but sometimes its the only way for things to work right
[15:37] <tomg_> icewaterman whats the worst that could happen :D
[15:40] <icewaterman> tomg_: well my system could crash and not awaken again :)
[15:40] <RabidDog_> Hey there Guys n gals.  Using Open Office Writer for first time.  Would like to format the doc different so that it is a continuous page.  Can that be done?
[15:40] <tomg_> icewaterman lol you can always boot into failsafe, ull b fine :P
[15:41] <icewaterman> tomg_: actually i cannot :)
[15:41] <icewaterman> tomg_: i use a non-standard ubuntu :)
[15:41] <icewaterman> or lets say i have altered bootmanager etc.
[15:41] <icewaterman> there is no failsafe :)
[15:41] <icewaterman> but it reminds me i should add that
[15:42] <tomg_> icewaterman well you could edit grub at the prompt lol
[15:42] <icewaterman> tomg_: afaik its a kernel option, right
[15:43] <icewaterman> then i can add that as a parameter
[15:43] <tomg_> icewaterman to insert the fglrx module?
[15:43] <sayers> How do I rip in flac with k3
[15:43] <icewaterman> tomg_: i didnt even download the ati installer - so no
[15:44] <tomg_> icewaterman: sorry, i dont know what youre asking :S
[15:44] <icewaterman> tomg_: the ati installer once rendered another system of mine unbooteable (i've been trying to avoid that ever since ) and so far my system was quite stable
[15:45] <tomg_> icewaterman: ah so thats why youre scared :)
[15:45] <icewaterman> tomg_: actually i hope to get that radeon driver regression bug fixed)
[15:45] <tomg_> icewaterman lol fair enough
[15:46] <icewaterman> tomg_: i did a little forensics that time and found out that the ati driver had killed my swap partition when i entered suspend-to-disk/ram
[15:46] <tomg_> icewaterman: ati as in binary or oss?
[15:46] <icewaterman> binary
[15:46] <tomg_> icewaterman: what version?
[15:46] <icewaterman> tomg_: don't remeber
[15:47] <icewaterman> was ~1 year ago
[15:47] <icewaterman> in ubuntu on my laptop
[15:47] <tomg_> icewaterman: it will have improved by now then :D
[15:47] <ubuntu> hi
[15:48] <icewaterman> tomg_: the only binary driver i'd install is the nvidia gfx driver (that one was at least working well)
[15:48] <n00b> hi
[15:48] <icewaterman> but not with ati cards unfortunately
[15:48] <angasule> hmm, frets on fire doesn't work right, at all, even with the tutorial, anybody else having trouble with it?
[15:49] <n00b> i  got    a  question  how   do  i reinstall  grub  ?
[15:49] <n00b> got  daul  boot  here
[15:49] <LjL> n00b: depends   how   you   removed   it,   but   in    general
[15:49] <LjL> !grub
[15:49] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[15:49] <tomg_> icewaterman: well the ati has improved since amd's takeover, ive heard
[15:52] <b_> hello ,i have a big trouble
[15:53] <b_> when i closed all windows and open language installer,"database locked - adept batch" why??
[15:54] <Jucato> !aptfix | b_
[15:54] <icewaterman> tomg_: btw. tuxracer works fine @60fps+ (1024x768)
[15:54] <b_> who knows why , thanks first
[15:54] <Jucato> hm...
[15:54] <Jucato> bot seems to be slow...
[15:54] <ubotu> b_: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[15:54] <LjL> was working a minute ago
[15:54] <LjL> just a little lagged :|
[15:56] <Jucato> !botsnack
[15:56] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[15:56] <Jucato> he just needed some food :)
[15:57] <eagles0513875> !welcome | ubotu
[15:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about welcome - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:57] <eagles0513875> !hi | ubotu
[15:57] <ubotu> ubotu: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[15:57] <eagles0513875> are there any python ide's
[15:58] <Jucato> !info eric3 | eagles0513875
[15:58] <ubotu> eagles0513875: Package eric3 does not exist in gutsy
[15:58] <ardchoille> eagles0513875: There are a few: eric
[15:58] <Jucato> er...
[15:58] <eagles0513875> !eric3
[15:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about eric3 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:58] <Jucato> yeah. eric
[15:58] <Jucato> no 3 I guess...
[15:58] <ardchoille> !eric
[15:58] <eagles0513875> !eric
[15:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about eric - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:58] <eagles0513875> !info eric
[15:58] <ubotu> eric: full featured Python IDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.9.5-1 (gutsy), package size 1907 kB, installed size 11460 kB
[15:58] <eagles0513875> sweet time to download
[15:58] <Jucato> eagles0513875: if you want info about a package, use !info <packagename>
[15:59] <Jucato> the !word only works for factoids, not package info
[15:59] <ardchoille> Ah, right
[15:59] <eagles0513875> Jucato: ahhhh ok ty for the info
[15:59] <Jucato> then !find <term> searches for a package with "term" and !search <term> searches for a factoid with "term"
[16:00] <Exploit> hi there. i need flash for youtube... (http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash) this URL saud
[16:00] <b_> thank you ubotu,it's very kind of u
[16:00] <Exploit> said YouTube.. which package should i install?
[16:00] <pag> !flash | Exploit
[16:00] <ubotu> Exploit: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[16:00] <Jucato> Exploit: flashplugin-nonfree
[16:00] <Jucato> !thanks | b_
[16:00] <ubotu> b_: You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[16:01] <Exploit> Jucato: i know i'll try the guide
[16:01] <icewaterman> Exploit: youtube will also work with the free flash plugin (however most other sites wont)
[16:01] <Jucato> what guide? all you need is to install flashplugin-nonfree :)
[16:03] <Exploit> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree <-- will it install flash for firefox?
[16:03] <Jucato> for everything
[16:03] <eagles0513875> !info flashplugin-nonfree
[16:03] <ubotu> flashplugin-nonfree: Adobe Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 9.0.48.0.2+really0ubuntu12 (gutsy), package size 17 kB, installed size 156 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 lpia)
[16:03] <Exploit> a
[16:03] <b_> u means you are just a robot??? a machine??
[16:03] <Exploit> thank you
[16:04] <b_> i can't believe that
[16:04] <eagles0513875> b_: ?
[16:04] <b_> ubotu said he is a bot,,,,,
[16:04] <Exploit> wow apt-get is the greatest thing i ever saw!
[16:05] <eljefe_> why can't i find/install w32codecs and libdvdcss2?  i tried yesterday here but we couldn't solve it.
[16:05] <Jucato> b_: it is a bot
[16:05] <b_> but how a bot.....so clever!!i think
[16:05] <eljefe_> !ubotu
[16:05] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[16:05] <mauro> hi how I can to increase the speed of my adsl connection on kubuntu?
[16:06] <b_> i love u ubotu
[16:06] <eagles0513875> !llove
[16:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about llove - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:06] <eagles0513875> !love
[16:06] <ubotu> Love is like racing across the frozen tundra on a snowmobile which flips over, trapping you underneath. At night, the ice-weasels come.
[16:06] <eagles0513875> lol
[16:06] <Tm_T> !botabuse
[16:06] <b_> the bot humun
[16:06] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids. Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[16:09] <eljefe_> aah, I found the dvdcss and w32codecs in medibuntu
[16:09] <Tm_T> good
[16:10] <eljefe_> why isn't Medibuntu an option from source-o-matic?
[16:10] <Tm_T> eljefe_: hum, it isnt?
[16:10] <eljefe_> not at all
[16:10] <Tm_T> !source-o-matic
[16:10] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[16:11] <b_> want type chinese ,how to do ubotu
[16:11] <eljefe_> nor is it preincluded in the sources.list
[16:12] <b_> ubotu, i want type chinese ,where to choose.do you know thank you
[16:12] <Tm_T> eljefe_: because of legal issues then
[16:12] <code_x> hello, i need  some help, i have installed "flashplugin-nonfree" and "konqueror-nsplugin" and when i visit "youtube.com" i still can't get to see the video ? do i need to install another package ?
[16:12] <code_x> thanks
[16:12] <hydrogen> !ch | b_
[16:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ch - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:12] <hydrogen> !chinese | b_
[16:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about chinese - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:12] <hydrogen> !cn | b_
[16:12] <ubotu> b_: For Ubuntu help in Chinese 您可以访问中文频道： #ubuntu-cn 或者 #ubuntu-tw  或者 #ubuntu-hk
[16:12] <LjL> !chinese is <alias> cn
[16:12] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[16:12] <salvatore_> Salve!
[16:13] <LjL> !it | salvatore_
[16:13] <ubotu> salvatore_: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[16:13] <intExDK> Hey. I've got a .img-file. I don't know how to burn that format in Kubuntu. Anybody who can help?
[16:13] <salvatore_> Ok, sorry!
[16:13] <code_x>  hello, i need  some help, i have installed "flashplugin-nonfree" and "konqueror-nsplugin" and when i visit "youtube.com" i still can't get to see the video ? do i need to install another package ?
[16:13] <b_> i mean language choose place ,where
[16:14] <eagles0513875> im having an issue with java and fire fox
[16:14] <eljefe_> Tm_T: I tried making myself from many differernt places to see if the list would change, it doesn't
[16:14] <eagles0513875> i have java6 jdk and jre runnin but for some reason firefox isnt seeing it
[16:14] <b_> !cn
[16:14] <eagles0513875> !cn
[16:14] <ubotu> For Ubuntu help in Chinese 您可以访问中文频道： #ubuntu-cn 或者 #ubuntu-tw  或者 #ubuntu-hk
[16:15] <b_> what's the meaning of "!cn"
[16:15] <eagles0513875> chinese
[16:15] <eljefe_> it tells the bot to talk about a chinese forum
[16:15] <code_x> hello, i need  some help, i have installed "flashplugin-nonfree" and "konqueror-nsplugin" and when i visit "youtube.com" i still can't get to see the video ? do i need to install another package ?
[16:15] <torrez> hola algún programa para capturar imagen desde la webcam?
[16:15] <eljefe_> !es
[16:15] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[16:15] <ardchoille> b_: It's a trigger, it tells the bot to post the factoid associated with that trigger
[16:15] <ardchoille> Please don't play with the bot.
[16:16] <LjL> b_, i don't really know, but i think installing the "language-pack-kde-zh" package would be a good start
[16:16] <b_> i'm using kubuntu, and just want to choose the type tool.i cant find it ,i have download the language package already
[16:17] <pag> code_x, Settings -> Configure Konq. -> Plugins -> Scan for new plugins
[16:17] <LjL> b_: is there nothing in K / System Settings / Regional & Language?
[16:17] <hydrogen> b_: to type in chinese I think you need to use skim
[16:18] <hydrogen> but not sure about thta
[16:19] <LjL> b_: perhaps some info at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SCIM/Kubuntu
[16:21] <b_> thanks LjL,there is no language surpose in my "system">
[16:21] <LjL> b_: if you *can* speak chinese, why don't you try joining #ubuntu-cn anyway? they'll probably know better than us
[16:22] <soenke> hallo
[16:23] <b_> and my kubuntu version is 7.10.so the image discript may 6.06
[16:25] <b_> LjL.i need your help .because there is no kubuntu users there,i don't think u....as same as k.....
[16:26] <LjL> b_, but i mostly just use english, and have hardly ever messed with language setup :\
[16:28] <b_> soorry.my fault.thx all the same
[16:28] <unperson> Hi.  I have an install of Kubuntu 7.4 (Feisty) that I'd like to upgrade to 7.10 (gusty).  I see instructions here:
[16:28] <unperson> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading
[16:29] <ignoramus> Need help!  How do I change the default search engine in 7.10? For example, if i mistype a URL, it currently redirects to RCN's page... I'd like Google to be default
[16:29] <aUserOfIRC> 可以用中文了
[16:29] <aUserOfIRC> exit
[16:29] <unperson> But if I want to do this remotely via ssh, can I just follow the instructions on that page for server?
[16:30] <ignoramus> This occurs both in firefox and in konqueror
[16:30] <unperson> What's RCN?
[16:31] <ignoramus> An ISP
[16:31] <unperson> ignoramus, So presumably this is your ISP's DNS doing this, not kubuntu.
[16:32] <ignoramus> unperson: is there a way i can change this? Their search page sucks, and Google usually redirects to the proper page, while RCN gives unrelated results
[16:32] <unperson> ignoramus, Sorry, I don't know how you tell kubuntu to make mistyped URLs do a search, but if you ISP DNS returns stuff, I'd think that there's no way for the browser to know it's a mistyped URL, you know?
[16:33] <unperson> ignoramus, Assuming I'm interpreting what's going on correctly (and I may not be, as I don't know a lot about it)...
[16:33] <ignoramus> unperson: i understand, i was hoping there was a script i could run or a force-command that would supercede or executive before the DNS redirect
[16:33] <unperson> ignoramus, I'm not sure there's much you can do unless you can change your DNS settings to use a different DNS server not controlled by your ISP.
[16:34] <unperson> ignoramus, Maybe.  I'm not sure how the redirection works.  Does it send you to some generic page with a timed redirect, or does it return a page directly as though it's the one you requested.
[16:34] <unperson> ?
[16:34] <ignoramus> unperson: I remember in Windows, if i typed a URL incorrectly (ie, youutbe.com), it would redirect to MSN Search... but since i've installed Kubuntu, it goes to RCN.  Of course, my ISP could have changed settings...
[16:35] <unperson> ignoramus, Yeah, I don't know.  Hopefully there's someone here more knowledgable than me.
[16:35] <unperson> :-)
[16:35] <unperson> ignoramus, You could also try the kde channel for help, since presumably the question would apply equally well to any KDE.
[16:35] <unperson> ignoramus, Or you could try ##linux.
[16:36] <unperson> My ISP (Speakeasy) doesn't pull these shenanigans, so I just don't have any experience.
[16:36] <ignoramus> unperson: Also, when Google was my default search, i used to be able to type "youtube" by itself in the address bar, and google would interpret properly.  Now, i get this helpful bit: http://www17.searchresults.rcn.com/search?qo=youtube&rn=G4KJScDjlshEM8X
[16:37] <unperson> ignoramus, I see.  Well, maybe I'm all wet on the issue.  I'd look for other advice.  :-\
[16:38] <ignoramus> unperson: thx anyway :)
[16:40] <antonsky> hi how do i unrar many files with one command?
[16:41] <antonsky> someth=ing like for $i=ls
[16:41] <ignoramus> antonsky: are they all in one directory?
[16:41] <ardchoille> for i in *; do unrar $i; done
[16:41] <unperson> ignoramus, I will say that that last situation is probably different, in that the browser can recognize something is not a well-formed URL at all.
[16:41] <antonsky> yes
[16:41] <fairman> hi, how can i stop compiz on my Kubuntu? Something as compiz --quit ... :)
[16:41] <antonsky> thx
[16:41] <ignoramus> fairman: if all esle fails, kill the process in KSysGuard :)
[16:42] <antonsky> what does "for i in *" do?
[16:42] <bazhang> fairman: hit alt +f2 then type kwin --replace
[16:43] <webvictim> antonsky: iterates through everything in *
[16:43] <ignoramus> unperson: in that last example, I would notice that my browser would contact Google, and then redirect me to the page i wanted.  Now, it connects immediately to RCN
[16:43] <fairman> bazhang: thanks, it works :)
[16:43] <webvictim> like "for i in `ls -l`"
[16:43] <webvictim> that would iterate through every file in a directory
[16:43] <webvictim> (although there are nicer ways of doing it)
[16:44] <bazhang> fairman: to get compiz back just repeat, except alt +f2 compiz --replace
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[16:44] <fairman> bazhang: yes, of course, thanks.
[16:44] <bazhang> fairman: no problem
[16:46] <ardchoille> webvictim: I don't thing that works with filenames that have spaces
[16:49] <dabis> hola
[16:50] <dabis> alguno conoce algun programa para codificar videos (por ejemplo los AVi que se generan de la camara de fotos) a DIVX XVID o similar?
[16:50] <bazhang> !es | dabis
[16:50] <ubotu> dabis: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[16:50] <dabis> ook
[16:50] <dabis> gracias
[16:50] <bazhang> no problem
[16:51] <nzk> Firefox is giving me problems - for instance unrecoverably freezing my system, requiring a hard reboot. Is there a way to fix this?
[16:51] <dabis> anybody knows an application to encode AVI videos (from de digital camera for example) to DIVX or XVID?
[16:51] <nzk> dabis: avidemux
[16:52] <nzk> Or mencoder
[16:52] <dabis> it does not import the audio track and it is not encoded. I think that it is on WAV
[16:52] <bazhang> nzk: using Gutsy?
[16:53] <nzk> bazhang: Yes, it was the cause of my problems. The whole Firefox-randomly-and-unrecoverably-crashing-and-freezing thing happened immediately after I upgraded.
[16:53] <dabis> thanks for all! Bye
[16:54] <bazhang> nzk: I had the same issue initially as well--I disabled javascript for a while, then when some more upgrades came along--firefox I believe, it went away--don't know why though
[16:55] <Wolven_Pariah_UK> how do i fix adept? i wont let me install anything unless i install java which glitches
[16:55] <nzk> bazhang: Let me try that.
[16:56] <bazhang> nzk: what triggered it for me was autosave in wordpress (blog) --finally can use it now--javascript really is essential, moreso than flash even
[16:57] <vzduch> Wolven_Pariah_UK: what's the problem?
[16:57] <nzk> bazhang: It seems to be <textareas> for me...
[16:58] <Wolven_Pariah_UK> i tried to install sun-java but it glitched...after unlocking adept it wont let me install anything (.debs work) unless i finish installing sun-java but that glitches at 23%
[16:58] <bazhang> nzk: let me know how it goes.
[16:59] <icewaterman> Wolven_Pariah_UK: kill it and then do sudo apt-get -f install
[16:59] <Wolven_Pariah_UK> it tries to install it...
[17:00] <Wolven_Pariah_UK> if i say yes it opens window with documentation with OK in the middle but no way to say OK
[17:00] <icewaterman> Wolven_Pariah_UK: ever heard of the tab key?
[17:00] <bazhang> Wolven_Pariah_UK: you have to tab to the ok, then hit return
[17:01] <Wolven_Pariah_UK> ill try that..
[17:02] <Wolven_Pariah_UK> hmmm its not doing the menu anymore...
[17:06] <Alyxander> hey room
[17:06] <Alyxander> anyone runnning compiz on 7.10 kubuntu with an ati express ?
[17:09] <Alyxander> hello
[17:09] <jhutchins> I'd take that as a "no".
[17:11] <chronos> I'm having problems with my KDE. I just replaced compiz with  kwin, but since I have, my system has been so laggy that I can literally see it drawing the screen and refreshing it. HELP!
[17:12] <Alyxander> wow very active room lol
[17:13] <Tamin> Quick question: what are the default entries for uid 110, 113, and 118 in /etc/<passwd, shadow>?
[17:14] <Tamin> (I imagine 118 is smmsp, but am not sure; trying to repair said files after a mishap)
[17:15] <bazhang> Alyxander: what's your question?
[17:15] <webvictim> does anyone know how you stop compiz shading your windows when you double-click the title bar?
[17:16] <webvictim> i want it to maximize/restore them instead
[17:16] <rgreening> webvictim : go through the compiz settings manager
[17:16] <angasule> webvictim: hmm, check the compiz configure thingie, or ask in #compiz-fusion
[17:16] <Dr_willis> webvictim,  use the ccsm tool. I think its under the general tab
[17:16] <webvictim> i know how to change the global KDE behaviour, but it doesn't seem to make any difference
[17:16] <webvictim> heh, i've had a good look through
[17:16] <webvictim> can't seem to find the option
[17:16] <angasule> webvictim: the COMPIZ configuration
[17:16] <rgreening> webvictim: 1sec..
[17:17] <bazhang> webvictim: that should be under the plugin window decorations or in general forgot which
[17:17] <angasule> webvictim: the command to start it is 'ccsm'
[17:17] <webvictim> angasule: yes thanks, i know that
[17:17] <webvictim> ah, i found it
[17:17] <webvictim> it's in the emerald-theme-manager
[17:17] <webvictim> :)
[17:18] <bazhang> :}
[17:18] <Tamin> Anyone?
[17:19] <bazhang> Tamin: what's your question?
[17:19] <Tamin> What are the default entries for uids 110. 113, and 118 in /etc/<passwd, shadow>
[17:19] <Dr_willis> I see no entry for 118 in that file
[17:19] <Tamin> hmm
[17:20] <Dr_willis> avahi:x:106:113:Avahi mDNS daemon,,,:/var/run/avahi-daemon:/bin/false
[17:20] <Dr_willis> mythtv:x:110:120::/home/mythtv:/bin/sh
[17:20] <Tamin> are you on 6.06?
[17:20] <Dr_willis> Heck No.
[17:20] <Tamin> hmm
[17:20] <Dr_willis> :)
[17:21] <Tamin> great; thanks anyway :)
[17:22] <BluesKaj> Howdy all ... friend sent me a .mkv video file , but I have no way of converting it to mpeg/dvd ... someone have an idea which converter/codec I should use?
[17:23] <Shapeshifter> Where are any kdm / kde scripts located that run upon user login?
[17:23] <shadowhywind> what is the fsck command for a fat32 partition?
[17:24] <angasule> Shapeshifter: ~/.kde/Autostart
[17:24] <tekstacy> how do I copy the menus, settings, apps, etc.. to other user accounts?
[17:24] <LjL> shadowhywind: fsck
[17:24] <angasule> shadowhywind: fsck.vfat might also be it, if straight fsck doesn't work
[17:24] <Shapeshifter> And which of them affect screen resolutions. It doesn't matter what I put into my xorg.conf, I have _no mentioning whatsoever_ in my xorg.conf of "1024x786" and it still starts the session with that resolution. I only have "1600x1200" and it should start like that -.- ... Thx angasule
[17:24] <Dr_willis> BluesKaj,  i think that avidmux program can convert them
[17:24] <shadowhywind> any special flags to correct issues?
[17:25] <angasule> shadowhywind: no idea, I don't use fat any more
[17:25] <bazhang> BluesKaj: does vlc not work?
[17:25] <angasule> Shapeshifter: oh, that's another issue
[17:25] <angasule> Shapeshifter: do you have an nvidia card? ati? or what is it?
[17:26] <shadowhywind> hehe, once the my new wireless card comes, I wont be needing the fat partition anymore either
[17:26] <BluesKaj> bazhang, it plays the mkv files yes, but I want to convert the file to mpeg for stand alone dvd playback
[17:27] <Shapeshifter> angasule: you know something about it? I don't get it, I'm so frustrated, been trying to make this happen for hours! nvidia, driver is installed correcty, everything ok, I can configure the two screens I have, but even if I use only one single screen, if I log off and back in the goddamn low resolution is back. I checked xorg.conf, I edited it so far that it can _only_ be 1600x1200 and nothing else and still it doesn't work :|
[17:27] <Dr_willis> Shapeshifter,  it may be gettting the "EID" info from the monitor and getting it wrongly. I think theres some xorg.conf option to ignore that EID stuff.
[17:27] <angasule> Shapeshifter: run: kdesu nvidia-settings
[17:27] <Shapeshifter> I mean if I'm logged in and use nvidia-settings, I can set up everything the way I want. I save the settings, write xorg.conf, log off and in, and there's the low resolution back on my primary screen
[17:28] <shadowhywind> When i run fsck, It comes back with an issue to correct or not correct. I select correct and it says its leaving the system unchanged, any ideas?
[17:28] <bazhang> BluesKaj: sorry--my misunderstanding perhaps avidemux, as Dr_willis suggested
[17:28] <angasule> Shapeshifter: but yeah, I have had issues like that, nvidia cards use proprietary drivers that don't play well with others
[17:29] <Shapeshifter> Dr_willis: sounds plausible, I'll have a look at that.
[17:29] <angasule> Shapeshifter: I'd try kdesu nvidia-settings so that nvidia-settings is run as root, it might help, worth a try :)
[17:29] <Alyxander> anyone have and ati?
[17:29] <Shapeshifter> angasule: yes, I'm always running nvidia-settings as root.
[17:29] <BluesKaj> nope, bazhang Dr_willis ,I don't see any mkv options in avidemux
[17:29] <shadowhywind> to save nvidia-settings xorg, it has to be root
[17:29] <Roberth> can anybody share the default fonts.conf?
[17:29] <francisco> hola
[17:29] <Dr_willis> BluesKaj,  ive done it under windows befor  i belive. :) with the windows version. aint tried the Gutsy version yet
[17:29] <francisco> alguien me puede ayudar
[17:30] <francisco> estoy intentando que me funcione kradio
[17:30]  * Dr_willis looks for a mkv video
[17:30] <bazhang> BluesKaj: perhaps Handbrake?
[17:30] <bazhang> http://handbrake.m0k.org/
[17:31]  * BluesKaj tries avidmux anyway ...taking a while to load 
[17:31] <BluesKaj> err avidemux
[17:31] <Shapeshifter> uh, what's the difference between kdesu and sudo btw? ^^
[17:32] <francisco> hola alguien me puede decir cual es el canal en español
[17:32] <shadowhywind> !kdesu
[17:32] <ubotu> In KDE, use « kdesudo <program> » (Gutsy) or « kdesu <program> » (Feisty and earlier) to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)
[17:32] <BluesKaj> kdesu for gui , sudo for cli (konsole)
[17:32] <bazhang> !es | francisco
[17:32] <ubotu> francisco: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[17:32] <francisco> gracias
[17:32] <angasule> shadowhywind: thanks, I didn't know :)
[17:33] <shadowhywind> that was informational to me. i did not know we had to change to kdesudo in gutsy
[17:33] <Shapeshifter> shadowhywind: interesting
[17:33] <shadowhywind> kdesu was working, hehe
[17:33] <BluesKaj> yeah, same here ,kdsesu sems to work tho
[17:34] <BluesKaj> err kdesu
[17:34] <Roberth> can anybody share the default fonts.conf?
[17:34] <Dr_willis> avidemux loads a .mkv here. :)
[17:34] <fdoving> shadowhywind: kdesu in gutsy links to kdesudo, using kdesu the same way as usual should work just fine. that's the idea anyway.
[17:35] <BluesKaj> something's happening with avidemux, it's taking up 100% cpu but I don't see waht's going on
[17:36] <Dr_willis> avidemux can take some practice to get working right.
[17:37] <Dr_willis> I normally use it to convert avi's to smaller xvid format for my portable player
[17:38] <Shapeshifter> Dr_willis: I was able to turn off edid checking in xorg.conf but it still keeps changing the resolution upon login. Btw while in the kdm login it displays the correct resolution, just upon loging in it switches to the lower res.
[17:38] <Dr_willis> Shapeshifter,  err.. You DO realize that each user can have their own specific Video res setting?
[17:38] <rahul> hi I needed some help with grub2 I don't want to reboot in case I get stuck
[17:38] <Dr_willis> :)
[17:38] <Dr_willis> my wife has her desktop set to a lower res. then what i use.
[17:38] <Dr_willis> KDM is the same.. but as soon as she logs in it goes to a lower res.
[17:39] <Shapeshifter> Dr_willis: Yeah, ok, but where is that resolution defined? If not in xorg.conf, then where?
[17:39] <Dr_willis> Its in the users settings somewhere.
[17:39] <Dr_willis> I havent messed with that in a long time. :) lets see
[17:39] <rahul> when I installed grub-pc i got errors with grub-probe error: unknown filesystem
[17:39] <Dr_willis> Perhrials -> monitors
[17:41] <superior> hi, meine Taskbar zeigt keine offenen Programme mehr an. Weiss jemand woran das liegt?
[17:42] <Shapeshifter> Dr_willis: uhm, I have this "System settings" thing, there is Computer Administration > Monitor & Display > The thing is that I can't configure the screen resolution there because it thinks it can only display 1600x1200 at 50Hz, which is wrong. I configured the right hardware like a dozen times already but it keeps forgetting it, I guess because of some clinch with nvidia-settings
[17:42] <Shapeshifter> !de | superior
[17:42] <ubotu> superior: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[17:42] <superior> ah thx
[17:42] <rahul> hey shapeshifter are you using a desktop or laptop and what videocard/
[17:42] <rahul> ?
[17:42] <Roberth> can anybody share the default fonts.conf?
[17:42] <rahul> *
[17:42] <Dr_willis> Shapeshifter,  i would not be suprised at that. I got a Huge wide display # there.. because i am using twinview
[17:42] <Dr_willis> Shapeshifter,  you using twinview also? dual monitors?
[17:42] <ardchoille> My friend just brought his Windows computer over. Is it possible to conect to it and view its desktop in Kubuntu?
[17:43] <fdoving> ardchoille: yeah, try rdesktop
[17:43] <Shapeshifter> rahul, dr_willis: It's one nice nvidia adaptor on a desktop PC, I'm using two separate X screens, screen0 and screen1.
[17:43] <Dr_willis> ardchoille,  install 'ultravnc' for windows on it. start the vncserver., connect with a vncclient on linux box. Is amnother way
[17:43] <Bandit12> where can i get an image to print on my kubuntu dvd?
[17:43] <rahul> o ok
[17:43] <Dr_willis> Shapeshifter,  I do recall twinview having a LOT of tweakable things in this area. I had to mess with them ages ago.
[17:43] <ardchoille> Dr_willis: No way to do it without installing something on the Windows box?
[17:43] <rahul> have you edited xorg.comf?
[17:44] <rahul> conf*
[17:44] <Dr_willis> ardchoille,  depends on which of the 10000 variants of windows he has. :)
[17:44] <ardchoille> hehe
[17:44] <Shapeshifter> Dr_willis: I don't want to use twin view because I need two seperate X screens
[17:44] <fdoving> Bandit12: there are some stuff at http://kubuntu.org/art/ - i belive gutsy graphics is comming there too.. it has been requested.
[17:45] <rahul> Shapeshifter have you edited xorg.conf? you should do it yourself if you want to use twinview
[17:45] <Roberth> can anybody share the default fonts.conf?
[17:45] <Dr_willis> Ive never used 2 seprate X displays. So cant help ya there.
[17:45] <Shapeshifter> Isn't there a file for that kde user setting, where I can edit that manually? My xorg.conf is alright, no I don't want to use twinview rahul
[17:46] <rahul> Shapeshifter twinview is just dual monitor support
[17:46] <rahul> no, kde user settings don't work very well right now
[17:46] <Shapeshifter> rahul: TwinView makes one X screen strech over n numbers of physical monitors.
[17:46] <Dr_willis> Shapeshifter,  there may be some xorg.conf setting that allows the user to change their res.
[17:47] <Dr_willis> xrandr or somthing sounds famiuler
[17:47] <Dr_willis> !info xrand
[17:47] <ubotu> Package xrand does not exist in gutsy
[17:47] <jeanmass_> hello
[17:47] <Dr_willis> !find xrand
[17:47] <ubotu> Found: libxrandr-dev, libxrandr2, libxrandr2-dbg, xrandr
[17:47] <jeanmass_> is it possible to install kubuntu on an external hdd?
[17:47] <Dr_willis> !info  xrandr
[17:47] <ubotu> xrandr: X Rotation, Reflection and Resize utility. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.2.2-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 23 kB, installed size 84 kB
[17:47] <Shapeshifter> Dr_willis: some guy at #xorg told me that xrandr wont work with the proprietary nvidia driver
[17:48] <Dr_willis> Shapeshifter,  highly likely.
[17:48] <rahul> Shapeshifter: k if you want 2 seperate X screens you need to define them in xorg.conf yourself.
[17:50] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. My clock dident adjust for DST
[17:50] <Shapeshifter> rahul: I did! it's not the problem, my xorg.conf is fine, in kdm everything is ok, it switches back to some useless stuff when logging in
[17:50] <rahul> ooohhhh sorry.
[17:51] <eagles0513875> can someoen tell me why firefox is looking for java when i hava jva6 jre and jdk already installed
[17:51] <Shapeshifter> rahul: http://pastebin.ca/760852
[17:51] <draik> bazhang: Hello
[17:51] <ubuntu> the installer wont run from the liveDVD, and I cant do a install in text mode installer either
[17:52] <ubuntu> ubuntu@ubuntu:/$ sudo ubiquity kde_ui
[17:52] <ubuntu> Bus error (core dumped)
[17:52] <eagles0513875> ubuntu: try alternate
[17:52] <sayers> How do I clean the trash as root?
[17:52] <bazhang> draik: hi! :}
[17:52] <ubuntu> eagles0513875: alternate cd?
[17:52] <eagles0513875> ya
[17:52] <manikfox> eagles0513875: I did, doesn't load either
[17:52] <draik> bazhang: Back to where we were.... How do I get OpenGL to work?
[17:53] <samuk1> how change "locked folder"... i cannot acess
[17:53] <Shapeshifter> Dr_willis: That damn kde config stuff always turns on xinerama if I work with it. On the other hand nvidia-settings won't change the kde settings. >:( this is so very frustrating. Isn't there a file for the kde user where I can define the resolution it should use for each X screen after logging in?
[17:53] <eagles0513875> manikfox: what kind of video card do u have
[17:53] <draik> Which kernel should I be using? -386 or -generic?
[17:54] <manikfox> eagles0513875: Geforce 7800GTX
[17:54] <eagles0513875> manikfox: did u have this problem with feisty
[17:54] <bazhang> draik: I'm guessing generic
[17:54] <draik> Ok
[17:55] <draik> Any idea about getting OpenGL to work with my nVidia GeForce 5700LE?
[17:55] <ScorpKing> hi sayers!
[17:55] <sayers> ScorpKing: hello
[17:55] <manikfox> eagles0513875: nope, or any other distro
[17:55] <ScorpKing> sayers: sudo rm the trash ;)
[17:56] <sayers> ScorpKing: where is it :s
[17:56] <draik> !opengl
[17:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about opengl - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:56]  * ScorpKing 21s lag. will be back tomorrow..
[17:57] <eagles0513875> manikfox: what u could do then is do a dist upgrade
[17:57] <eagles0513875> manikfox: what i would do is install feisty then i can help u do a complete upgrade
[17:57] <ubuntu> i need help installing kubuntu to harddisk...
[17:57] <ScorpKing> sayers: .trash i think
[17:58] <Dry_Ice> i have a partition on a drive
[17:58] <Bandit12> thnx fdoving
[17:58] <manikfox> eagles0513875: do you know how to run the textmode install in console?
[17:58] <Dry_Ice> and would like to use that partition
[17:58] <eagles0513875> manikfox: what u mean a dist-upgrade
[17:59] <manikfox> eagles0513875: I am in the liveDVD, i want to install it on my lvm2... i can do it manually like in gentoo, but I was wondering if I could run the text mode installer from konsole
[17:59] <Dvius> Greetings!
[18:00] <eagles0513875> i have never used lvm before
[18:00] <bazhang> hi!
[18:00] <eagles0513875> !info lvm
[18:00] <ubotu> Package lvm does not exist in gutsy
[18:00] <eagles0513875> !lvm
[18:00] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[18:00] <manikfox> eagles0513875: pretend IU didnt say that
[18:00] <manikfox> eagles0513875: I*
[18:00] <eagles0513875> manikfox: lol
[18:00] <Dvius> I am trying to import my old emails from Thunderbird into Kontact (KMail).  However I do not appear to have an "Import Messages..." in my "Tools" menu.
[18:00] <Dvius> Any ideas?
[18:00] <Dr_willis> Shapeshifter,  you 'could' temeraly disable the fancy things.. and use the 'nv' driver and let the user set their res. ( that would set the  proper settings/file) then reenable the fancy stuff. :)
[18:01] <Dry_Ice> i need help installing kubuntu from the live cd...
[18:01] <Dr_willis> Shapeshifter,  i dont know where that setting is  in .kde somewhere  :)
[18:01] <Dry_Ice> anyone?
[18:02] <Tm_T> Dry_Ice: you may like to tell what help you need
[18:02] <webvictim> Dry_Ice: ask your question
[18:02] <Dry_Ice> how do i install linux on a partition?
[18:02] <Dry_Ice> specifically, kubuntu
[18:03] <Ellipsys> Is anyone using the fglrx 8.42.3 driver currently?
[18:03] <webvictim> Dry_Ice: what isn't clear about it?
[18:03] <webvictim> you put the live CD in and boot from it
[18:03] <webvictim> and follow the instructions
[18:03] <angasule> Dry_Ice: use manual partitioning? it'll let you specify whatever partitioning you want
[18:03] <Roberth> can anybody share the default fonts.conf?
[18:03] <Shapeshifter> Dr_willis: I'm not following, what could I do with the nv driver? I mean the problem is that the kde configuration utility doesn't support using two X screns, instead it automatically enables xinerama when choosing "dual head". On the other hand the nvidia-settings tool wont set the kde settings for the user. How can the nv driver help?
[18:03] <Dry_Ice> i have a drive...that ive partitioned...
[18:03] <Dvius> Can somebody help me?  I am trying to import my old emails from Thunderbird into Kontact (KMail).  However I do not appear to have an "Import Messages..." in my "Tools" menu.
[18:04] <Dry_Ice> and it won't let me use the partition
[18:04] <draik> How do I install the Restricted Drivers in Kubuntu.
[18:04] <webvictim> Dry_Ice: how did you partition it?
[18:04] <draik> The instructions do not work with Kubuntu 7.10
[18:04] <webvictim> (as in, what program did you use)
[18:04] <webvictim> draik: it should ask you the first time you boot
[18:04] <ardchoille> fdoving: rdesktop works from command line perfectly, thank you for the advice :)
[18:04] <angasule> Dvius: File->Import messages
[18:04] <draik> There isn't an option with K Menu > System Settings > Advanced > Restricted Drivers
[18:05] <ardchoille> fdoving: is there a gui for rdesktop?
[18:05] <draik> webvictim: I don't recall seeing it
[18:05] <Dry_Ice> webvictim: i used the cd...
[18:05] <Dry_Ice> the installer
[18:05] <angasule> draik: are you using gutsy?
[18:05] <draik> angasule: Yes
[18:05] <webvictim> ardchoille: krdc?
[18:06] <ardchoille> webvictim: I can't get krdc to connect
[18:06] <webvictim> ardchoille: you're using rdp:/put.your.ip.here
[18:06] <Dvius> angasule: I see it now!  Except it is greyed out... ?
[18:06] <angasule> draik: do you have an nvidia card or something that would require restricted drivers?
[18:06] <angasule> Dvius: have you set up an account?
[18:06] <Dvius> Yes.
[18:06] <Dvius> Even successfully sent and received email.
[18:06] <Dry_Ice> webvictim: how do i figure out what the mount point is?
[18:07] <draik> angasule: nVidia GeForce FX 5700LE
[18:07] <Dry_Ice> for the particular partition
[18:07] <ardchoille> webvictim: Ah, works great, thank you
[18:07] <webvictim> Dry_Ice: you just want one big partition for everything?
[18:07] <angasule> draik: weird, I don't know why it would be greyed out in that case
[18:07] <webvictim> ardchoille: :}
[18:07] <Dry_Ice> webvictim: no
[18:07]  * ardchoille just got another Windows user interested in Kubuntu :)
[18:07] <angasule> Dvius: well, I don't really use it, so I have no idea
[18:07] <draik> angasule: Greyed out? It's not even there.
[18:07] <Dr_willis_> Dry_Ice,  the easy way is to leave a section of the hd 'unallocated' and let the installer install to that. let it make the partition
[18:07] <Dry_Ice> webvictim: i have a partition...and it wont let me use it
[18:07] <webvictim> Dry_Ice: what's the rror?
[18:07] <angasule> draik: oh, no idea, sorry
[18:07] <webvictim> Dry_Ice: what's the error?
[18:08] <[mag]> Hi :) I am wondering if I should choose 32-bit or 64-bit kubuntu for my Opteron system. I searched the tubes, but the reviews I found of the 64 bit version were several years old. How is the 64bit version doing?
[18:08] <Dry_Ice> dr_Willis_: the installer did make the partition
[18:08] <Dvius> :-(
[18:08] <Dr_willis_> Dry_Ice,  then it should of set the mount points also
[18:08] <Dry_Ice> webvictim: there're multiple errors :P
[18:08] <draik> ardchoille: I converted 4 Windows users. 2 XP and 2 Vista
[18:08] <[mag]> Speccifically, are video and audio codecs optimised for it yet?
[18:08] <Dry_Ice> dr_willis_: hmm, that's strange, coz it isn't...
[18:08] <Dr_willis_> I tend to let it use whole hd's however. :) so i dont rember the exact specifics of the installer.
[18:08] <Dry_Ice> ic...
[18:09] <Dr_willis_> People starting out - often have issues understanding how the installer wants/names partitions
[18:09] <webvictim> Dry_Ice: the mount point for your "standard" parition should be /
[18:09] <Dr_willis_> You need a / partition. and a swap partition,
[18:09] <Dry_Ice> would someone help me use the installer to repartition the disk?
[18:09] <Dry_Ice> i don't have any data on it atm
[18:09] <Dr_willis_> '/' IS the mountpoint :) and what its called.
[18:09] <Dry_Ice> ok...
[18:09] <ardchoille> draik: Awesome :)
[18:09] <Dry_Ice> it doesn't work :P
[18:09] <angasule> Dr_willis: yeah, a guide would be nice
[18:09] <webvictim> how big is the partition?
[18:09] <Dr_willis_> normally i  just use ' Use all unallocated space'
[18:09] <Dry_Ice> 120000 mb...
[18:10] <webvictim> do you have any reason to want more than one partition?
[18:10] <Dry_Ice> yep
[18:10] <Dr_willis_> so a sample layout would be (befor installing)   (Windows a few gb) (Unallocated  The rest of the HD)
[18:10] <webvictim> hint: if you don't know what a mount point is, the answer is probably no... :P
[18:10] <Dry_Ice> its my backup drive...
[18:10] <Dr_willis_> Note that Unallocated is NOT the same as empty. :)
[18:10] <Dry_Ice> i have 2 drives...
[18:10] <Dry_Ice> connected to my coermput
[18:10] <kwtm> Where can I get Kubuntu 7.10 CD's over a torrent?  I can only find torrents for the DVD version.
[18:10] <Dry_Ice> computer*
[18:11] <webvictim> kwtm: are the HTTP mirrors not working? :
[18:11] <webvictim> *:)
[18:11] <Dr_willis_> kwtm,  I googled for ubuntu torrent downloads and got a site (torrent.ubuntu.com?)  that had all the links
[18:11] <bazhang> kwtm: linuxtracker dot org
[18:11] <Dr_willis_> links to them all # of seeds and so forth
[18:12] <kwtm> Dr_willis_ and bazhang: Thanks for your info.  Will check it out now.
[18:12] <Dr_willis_> http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[18:12] <Dr_willis_> first google hit. :)
[18:12] <bazhang> kwtm: no problem
[18:12] <Dry_Ice> ERROR!!! The FATs don't match. If you don't know what this means, then select cancel, run scandisk on the file system, and then come back.
[18:13] <webvictim> Dry_Ice: and did you do that? :)
[18:13] <Dry_Ice> no, it has another window with a msg...
[18:13] <Dry_Ice> i'm typing that up, just a sec
[18:14] <vincent_> !subpixel
[18:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about subpixel - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:14] <vincent_> !fonts
[18:14] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[18:14] <twager> Using Konversation and it will not recognise / to give a command..Any ideas ?
[18:15] <bazhang> twager: compiz enabled?
[18:15] <vincent_> subpixel font rendering is enabled by default in kubuntu 7.10 right?
[18:15] <Dr_willis_> Troubleshooting 101 :) is now . #1 - disable compiz   heh...
[18:15] <twager> bazhang: yes
[18:15] <kwtm> Dr_willis_ : It took some searching.  If you just follow the directory (the web site you gave me is the HTTP interface to a FTP server) to the "releases", it only gets to the DVD release.  You have to go to the "simple" subdirectory, and it's under "desktop".  It didn't say "CD", but I guess if it's not a DVD then it's a CD.
[18:16] <metiuz> ATi drivers can remove XGL session and desktop effects??
[18:16] <bazhang> twager: there's a conflict between the two, was over at #konversation and they sent me to #compiz-fusion
[18:16] <Dry_Ice> Do you want to return to the partitioning menu? You have not selected any partitions for use as swap space. Enabling swap space is recommended so that the system can make better use of the available physical memory, and so that it behaves better when physical memory is scarce. You may experience installation problems if you do not have enough physical memory. If you do not go back to the partitioning menu and assign a swap partition,
[18:16] <Dry_Ice> the installation will continue without swap space.
[18:16] <Dry_Ice> ok/cancel?
[18:16] <webvictim> Dry_Ice: right, ok.
[18:16] <webvictim> you need to make two partitions
[18:16] <twager> bazhang: Thanks..
[18:16] <Dry_Ice> yep...
[18:16] <Dr_willis_> kwtm,  or you could look at the filesize. :)
[18:16] <metiuz> ATi drivers can remove XGL session and desktop effects??
[18:16] <webvictim> one needs to be double the size of your RAM, as a rough guide
[18:16] <bazhang> twager: no problem :}
[18:17] <kwtm> bazhang: The web site you mentioned looks like a 3rd party web site to point to the Kubuntu torrents, but I wonder if there's a possibility of trojans?  Anyway, I got the torrent file.  Thanks.
[18:17] <Dry_Ice> ok...
[18:17] <webvictim> which is your swap partition
[18:17] <Dry_Ice> and what format should that partition be?
[18:17] <webvictim> that should be "swap"
[18:17] <bazhang> kwtm: no worries there--use it all the time
[18:17] <Dry_Ice> ok...
[18:17] <metiuz> ATi drivers can remove XGL session and desktop effects??
[18:17] <Dr_willis_> kwtm,  you refering to http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/  ?  every file is a single click to get the .torrent there for me. :)
[18:17] <webvictim> and then the other partiton can use the rest of your drive
[18:17] <webvictim> the format of that should probably be "ext3"
[18:17] <kwtm> Dr_willis_: technically, yes, but remember, I'm looking for a torrent.  Those are, like, 2k in size. :)  Fortunately, right next to "kubuntu-desktop-torrent (27k)" was "kubuntu-desktop (698M)", so I knew that was the right thing.
[18:17] <webvictim> with mount point "/"
[18:18] <kwtm> Dr_willis_ : Oh, I didn't do the port number.  Let me check it out.
[18:18] <Dry_Ice> ok
[18:18] <Dr_willis_> kwtm,  Heh heh :)
[18:18] <metiuz> ATi drivers can remove XGL session and desktop effects??
[18:18] <MPL> ubuntu wiki down?
[18:18] <webvictim> metiuz: that isn't a question...
[18:18] <Dr_willis_> kwtm,  yea. google gave me the url with port #'s must be the torrent trracker site.
[18:18] <webvictim> what are you trying to ask? :)
[18:18] <metiuz> why??
[18:18] <metiuz> sry my english is little
[18:19] <berti_> frage
[18:19] <webvictim> it's ok :)
[18:19] <berti_> kannst mir mal helfen
[18:19] <metiuz> i was install ati graphic card drivers
[18:19] <webvictim> !de | berti_
[18:19] <ubotu> berti_: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[18:19] <Tm_T> !away > TimS|away
[18:19] <metiuz> by Restriced Driver Manager
[18:19] <twager> bazhang: Forgot to say it runs ok on my Sidux partition ..
[18:19] <webvictim> ok :)
[18:19] <kwtm> Dr_willis_: wow.  I guess the port number makes a big difference. :)  Yes, I found everything at :6969
[18:19] <berti_> kann man bei kubunto kein icq richtig laden?
[18:20] <metiuz> and after installation i was reboot
[18:20] <bazhang> twager: ktorrent?
[18:20] <ubuntu_> hola
[18:20] <powerup> i need some help with updates...can anyone help me?
[18:20] <ubuntu_> que es este canal
[18:20] <metiuz> after reboot i want start desktop effects
[18:20] <webvictim> ubuntu_: this is #kubuntu
[18:20] <bazhang> !es | ubuntu_
[18:20] <ubotu> ubuntu_: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[18:21] <donaraz> :)
[18:21] <nonewmsgs_> amorak isnt playing my mp3s, but i have the generic restricted codecs and can play them fine with kaffeine
[18:21] <metiuz> i open system/settings/ desktop effects
[18:21] <Shapeshifter> Why doesn't this work!?! I'm going mental -.-'' WHY... Does anyone know how I can turn of EID / EDID detection in the Monitor & Display Settings Dialog for kde? This piece of * just keeps giving me "51HZ" for a Sony GDM500PS monitor which DOES 85HZ at 1600x1200. Why, why does this have to be, why does it have to hurt this much! And yes, my xorg.conf is configured perfectly. Why does KDE have to be so damn persistent. When I was s
[18:21] <twager> bazhang: Konversation runs ok on Sidux and the / character works ok
[18:21] <bazhang> twager: ok, my bad--too long on IRC lol
[18:21] <metiuz> and write : The Compostie extension is not available
[18:21] <Dr_willis_> Shapeshifter,  does it work with Other window managers properly?
[18:21] <metiuz> somebody can help me??
[18:21] <powerup> i need some help with updates...can anyone help me?
[18:22] <webvictim> powerup: ask your question
[18:22] <draik> bazhang: sudo nvidia-xorg breaks my x server
[18:22] <bazhang> powerup: what's the question?
[18:22] <draik> powerup: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[18:22] <powerup> i have ubuntu ultimate 1.5 and i can't update
[18:22] <Shapeshifter> Dr_willis: it did with gnome when I had Ubuntu running on that machine.
[18:22] <Roberth> can anybody share the default fonts.conf?
[18:23] <Dr_willis_> Shapeshifter,  interesting. COuld try some very light window manager like jwm see if it works with it. try to focus on if its a KDE specific issue or a X specific Issue.
[18:23] <metiuz> webvictim: can you say me what I have to do beacause I can use desktop effects ??
[18:23]  * Dr_willis_ wonders what Ubuntu Ultimate even is...
[18:23] <nonewmsgs_> and ubuntu ultimate is ubuntu with EVERY package
[18:23]  * Dr_willis_ wonders if Ubuntu Ultimate  has their own tech support channel.
[18:23] <bazhang> haha
[18:23]  * Dr_willis_ wonders whats so Ultimate about that?
[18:23] <bazhang> cool channel name
[18:24]  * Dr_willis_ wonders if thers a Kubuntu Kultimate
[18:24] <metiuz> :/
[18:24] <Shapeshifter> Dr_willis: I actually got it working with 2x 1600x1200 now by altering the order in which I used the kde tool and nvidia-settings, but now my primary screen gives me eye cancer by running at 51Hz at 1600x1200.... I am completely sure that it is a KDE specific issue, because kde seems to have no support at all for running multiple X screens. It automatically supposes that you want to use Xinerama
[18:25] <webvictim> !pl | metiuz
[18:25] <ubotu> metiuz: Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[18:25] <Dr_willis_> Shapeshifter,  Hmm.  You are running KDE as 2 seperate users on 2 seperate X sessions eh?
[18:25] <metiuz> thx
[18:25] <webvictim> :)
[18:25] <webvictim> might be easier for you
[18:26] <Shapeshifter> Dr_willis_: No, I'm apparently the same user with two X sessions, but I can't configure them indipendently in the kde settings tool
[18:26] <Dr_willis_> Shapeshifter,  Hmm. thats interesting.
[18:26] <Dr_willis_> Shapeshifter,  ive had 'similer' issues when using vnc, and having the same user logged in twice running kde 2 times.
[18:27] <Dr_willis_> KDE  got a little confused at times. gnome did also.
[18:27] <nonewmsgs_> ok i installed a bunch of xine plugins and it's working now
[18:27] <Dr_willis_> Shapeshifter,  an interesting test would be to try it with 2 differnt users.
[18:28] <Dr_willis_> Shapeshifter,  what are you running that needs 2 seperate X displays anyway?
[18:29] <Shapeshifter> Dr_willis: This is really tring ^^ At least I got it this fat, having 2 times 1600x1200 with wrong freqs. I guess it wouldn't matter if I used two different users because KDE alsways enables xinerama no matter what I'm doing in the kde config. But I'll try. Buut, how can I do that? ^^
[18:29] <Shapeshifter> Dr_willis_: Well, you really want to know why? .... ;)
[18:30] <Dr_willis_> Shapeshifter, ive seen/heard simielr things done with mythtv on one display, normal X on another. Thats  almost the layout i got on this box.
[18:30] <Dr_willis_> Im just using twinview and told MythTV to stay on display #1 fullscreened however.
[18:31] <Dr_willis_> Shapeshifter,  the 'mythtv' guys/forums/wiki/ Might have some leads on the topic. :)
[18:31] <Shapeshifter> Dr_willis: mh, well, how can I start two X sessions with two different users?
[18:31] <Dr_willis_> Shapeshifter,  good question. :) not sure.. other then the proper commands from rc.local perhaps.
[18:31] <gt40> bonjour qui pourai m aider
[18:32] <Dr_willis_> Ive never explored the 2  X sessions thing much
[18:32] <bazhang> !fr | gt40
[18:32] <ubotu> gt40: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[18:32] <draik> How do I get OpenGL to work with my nVidia GeForce FX 5700LE graphics card?
[18:32] <Gast590> Hallo, ich haette ein Paar fragen zu kubuntu. Haette jemand einen Augenblick Zeit?
[18:33] <Dr_willis_> !de
[18:33] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[18:33] <powerup> can anyone remote control my pc and fix some problems please ?
[18:33] <Dr_willis_> powerup,  -  depends on the issue. :)  and if you got ssh installed.. and firewalls and other things...
[18:33] <Gast590> Wie kann ich den Kanal aendern?
[18:33] <Dr_willis_> best to learn how to fix things yourself.
[18:34] <draik> Sorry, restarted X Server
[18:34] <draik> How do I get OpenGL to work with my nVidia GeForce FX 5700LE graphics card?
[18:34] <Shapeshifter> Dr_willis_: I think I'm beginning to understand what KDE is doing here. It automatically adjusts the freq to the one used by the lowest "frequenting" screen in the setup. My 2nd display runs fine at 1600x1200 @ 75HZ so it does the same for my primary screen, which could do 85Hz...
[18:34] <bazhang> !de | Gast590
[18:34] <ubotu> Gast590: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[18:35] <Gast590> Wie kann ich diesen Kanal beitreiten?
[18:35] <bazhang> :{
[18:35] <Dr_willis_> No Hoblo. ;)
[18:35] <Shapeshifter> Gast950: anstatt auf #kubuntu zu gehen gehst du einfach in #kubuntu-de
[18:35] <ardchoille> Shapeshifter: Thank you
[18:36] <Gast590> Wie soll das gehen, worauf muss ich klicken?
[18:36] <Shapeshifter> Gast590: ja ich kenn ja deinen irc client nicht. geh einfach aus diesem channel raus, und joine dem channel #kubuntu-de
[18:37] <Gast590> Dieser Chat ist auf einer Internetseite, ich habe keinen "client".
[18:37] <bazhang> :P
[18:38] <Gast590> Ich bin auf "http://www.kubuntu.de/index.php"
[18:38] <ardchoille> Shapeshifter: You and Gast590 are welcome to use #ardchoille temporarily if needed :)
[18:38] <bazhang> haha
[18:39] <bazhang> who's the op in that channel? :}
[18:39] <ardchoille> me
[18:39] <Gast590> Ist das nicht der Kubuntu Online Support?
[18:39] <bazhang> just kidding ardchoille
[18:39] <Shapeshifter> ardchoille: he doesn't get how to change a channel. So that wont work ;) Can't you just transfer him?
[18:39] <ardchoille> bazhang: oh, hehe
 are u still here?
[18:39] <ardchoille> Shapeshifter: It doesn't work that way
[18:40] <Shapeshifter> Gast590: Doch, aber nur auf englisch. Der deutsche support ist im channel #kubuntu-de Auf der seite die du mir gegegebn hast sehe ich kein login zu irc chat support.
[18:40] <ardchoille> Shapeshifter: tell him to click on the blue channel name
[18:40] <bazhang> Gast590:  type /join #kubuntu-de
[18:40] <BigPick> o/
[18:40] <Shapeshifter> Gast950: Versuch, folgendes in deine eingabezeile zu schreiben: /join #kubuntu-de
[18:40] <Gast590> Hier der Link von der deutsch Sprachigen Kubuntu Seite:
[18:40] <Gast590> http://www.kubuntu.de/index.php?option=com_mospjirc&Itemid=55
[18:40] <draik> bazhang: You need gast to click on the link
[18:41] <draik> bazhang: link to the channel
[18:41] <draik> Shapeshifter: Tell Gast to click on the channel name. It will direct them straight there
[18:41] <bazhang> draik: Shapeshifter has told him like five times already
[18:41] <Shapeshifter> Gast590: Du kannst auch einfach auf den channel namen clicken: #kubuntu-de
[18:41] <powerup> can anyone remote control my pc and fix some problems please ?
[18:42] <ardchoille> powerup: It would be better if you asked questions here and learned how to do it
[18:42] <Shapeshifter> draik: I'm not sure his java web applet allows him that. I don't know why he's landet here anyway because the web applet he posted should actually open #kubuntu-de
[18:43] <bazhang> powerup: that might not be wise--best to fix it yourself--what is the problem exactly
[18:44] <powerup> i would learn much faster if i see someone doing it
[18:44] <powerup> :)
[18:45] <powerup> the problem is i can't update my system
[18:45] <Gast590> Danke  Shapeshifter
[18:45] <ardchoille> Shapeshifter: Or you could turn filtering off for your nick and pm him
[18:45] <bazhang> powerup: could you be more precise?
[18:45] <draik> Shapeshifter: Seems as though they got it now
[18:45] <ardchoille> powerup: do you mean upgrading to a new release or updating the software you already have?
[18:45] <Shapeshifter> draik: hope so
[18:46] <bazhang> thanks Shapeshifter
[18:46] <ardchoille> Shapeshifter: Glad you're here :)
[18:46] <draik> Shapeshifter: They did. /whois gast and you'll see they are in here and -de
[18:47] <Shapeshifter> draik: mh, indeed. I'm not so familiar with irc myself ^^
[18:47] <powerup> i don't know...what's better? ...i have ubuntu ultimate 1.5dvd and 7.10 dvd
[18:47] <powerup> can i upgrade to 7.10 from dvd?
[18:47] <bazhang> powerup: you mean kubuntu 7.10?
[18:47] <ardchoille> !upgrade | powerup
[18:47] <ubotu> powerup: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[18:48] <draik> powerup: I don't see why not
[18:48] <draik> The interesting about upgrading was that my laptop crashed during the installation of the upgrades, not my desktop.
[18:49] <bazhang> thus crashing opengl?
[18:49] <draik> bazhang: It's a bit far-fetched, but who knows.
[18:49] <BigPick> I had the same problem draik. My two desktops crashed as well.
[18:49] <draik> I know it's frowned upon, but is there a way I can get Beryl on Gutsy. Compiz is **explicit**
[18:50] <ardchoille> draik: compiz and beryl merged, the result is compiz-fusion
[18:50] <BigPick> Well Beryl is merged with Compiz currently.
[18:50] <powerup> when i insert the 7.10 dvd i get this message A distribution volume with software packages has been detected.
[18:50] <powerup> Would you like to try to upgrade from it automatically?
[18:51] <powerup> i ckick run upgrade
[18:51] <BigPick> powerup: That's good.
[18:51] <bazhang> powerup: doing a fresh install, ie wiping hard drive?
[18:51] <powerup> and then i get this message: Nu pot obţine acces exclusiv
[18:51] <powerup> This usually means that another package management application (like apt-get or aptitude) already running. Please close that application first.
[18:52] <BigPick> Do you have adept or something smiliar open?
[18:52] <powerup> i don't know? where can i check that?
[18:52] <bazhang> draik: you want to run only Beryl?
[18:52] <BigPick> Well, it would be a window.
[18:53] <bazhang> !aptfix | powerup
[18:53] <ubotu> powerup: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[18:55] <powerup> powerup@powerup-desktop:~$ !aptfix | powerup
[18:55] <powerup> bash: !aptfix: event not found
[18:55] <powerup> powerup@powerup-desktop:~$ sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[18:55] <powerup> powerup@powerup-desktop:~$
[18:55] <powerup> powerup@powerup-desktop:~$
[18:55] <powerup> what now?
[18:56] <bazhang> powerup: those are two seperate commands, first use one, then after that is finished use the other
[18:56] <powerup> i know...that's how i did
[18:56] <bazhang> powerup: first the sudo...., then the sudo..., leave out the aptfix part
[18:57] <powerup> i got u know
[18:58] <bazhang> ok
[18:58] <powerup> now what do i do?
[18:58] <bazhang> you ran them both?
[18:58] <powerup> yes
[18:58] <ardchoille> powerup: Now try the upgrade again
[18:58] <bazhang> and this is a fresh install?
[18:58] <powerup> yes
[18:59] <bazhang> listen to ardchoille
[18:59] <bazhang> :}
[18:59] <ardchoille> powerup: This is a fresh install? Which version did you install?
[19:00] <bazhang> ubuntu ultimate ardchoille
[19:00] <ardchoille> oh
[19:00] <vincent_> !kickoff
[19:00] <ubotu> Kickoff is a new KDE menu replacement developed by openSUSE. See http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2331
[19:01] <vincent_> is there a way to install kickoff menu for gutsy? pls answer
[19:01] <Shapeshifter> Dr_willis_: Dammit, I DID IT! It's working :D that was some complicated stuff....
[19:02] <bazhang> vincent_: it's not in the software repositories
[19:02] <ardchoille> vincent_: There is an ubuntu .deb floating around. I installed it but the kickoff ui seemed to have bugs.. it looked like a webpage with the CSS badly written
[19:03] <ardchoille> vincent_: ?Have you tried kbfx? It's in the repos
[19:03] <vincent_> thats sad i'm from suse. like the menu a lot...
[19:04] <draik> bazhang: Yes, only beryl
[19:04] <ardchoille> vincent_: iirc, kickoff will be in kde4
[19:04] <bazhang> draik: any reason?
[19:04] <psie> Hello, is there a key combination to execute commands in KDE?
[19:04] <bazhang> vincent_: kbfx is much nicer
[19:04] <Dr_willis_> Shapeshifter,  now make a wiki page on it!
[19:04] <draik> bazhang: I didn't like Compiz when it first came out and I don't much like Compiz-Fusion
[19:04] <Dr_willis_> Shapeshifter,  what was the trick?
[19:04] <Chousuke> psie: alt-f2 should work
[19:04] <bazhang> psie: many--which are you looking for?
[19:05] <ardchoille> psie: Tried katapult?
[19:05] <psie> Actually i want to help somone else she is using kde
[19:05] <Shapeshifter> Dr_willis_: I thought about that, which wiki?
[19:05] <ardchoille> !wiki
[19:05] <RIKE> AHHHH
[19:05] <Dr_willis_> Shapeshifter,  no idea. :) heh.
[19:05] <ubotu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu development documentation wiki. If you are looking for system help, please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community - the Ubuntu community documentation.
[19:05] <RIKE> Psie??????
[19:05]  * draik uses Katapult primarily
[19:05] <psie> and she keeps telling me that alt+f2 doesnt't work
[19:05] <Dr_willis_> Shapeshifter,  put a link to it at the !nvidia factoid wiki page i guess
[19:05] <psie> yeah
[19:05] <Dr_willis_> !nvidia
[19:05] <icewaterman> anyone here tried the free r300 drivers with gutsy?
[19:05] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[19:05] <RIKE> yes i sayed!
[19:05] <psie> ich versuch dir sogar hier was an infos zu besorgen
[19:06] <RIKE> mein pc is abgestürzt
[19:06] <psie> hmm
[19:06] <RIKE> wenn alles klappt küss ich dir die füße ;)
[19:06] <psie> das versteh ich net
[19:06] <psie> lol
[19:06] <RIKE> kannst du das letzte sagen
[19:06] <ben-schmark> j'ai redemarrer X
[19:06] <ardchoille> !de
[19:06] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[19:06] <ben-schmark> toujours mesa
[19:06] <bazhang> !de | RIKE
[19:06] <ubotu> RIKE: please see above
[19:06] <powerup> do flash web pages work with 7.10 amd64 ?
[19:06] <RIKE> ich hab nur noch alt+strg nd f gelsen
[19:07] <psie> lol
[19:07] <icewaterman> powerup: yes
[19:07] <icewaterman> powerup: you need to install flashplugin-nonfree
[19:07] <psie> @ RIKE try ALT + F2 again
[19:07] <powerup> ok thanks
[19:07] <psie> is something happening
[19:07] <RIKE> ja hab ich :)
[19:07] <psie> appearing?
[19:07] <RIKE> und dann?
[19:08] <psie> passier was?
[19:08] <psie> ein fenster geht aus?
[19:08] <psie> auf?
[19:08] <RIKE> ja
[19:08] <psie> super
[19:08] <RIKE> iwi befehl eingeben
[19:08] <psie> warte
[19:08] <ardchoille> !de
[19:08] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[19:08] <draik> !de | RIKE
[19:08] <psie> ich schreib dich mal pers. an
[19:08] <ubotu> RIKE: please see above
[19:08] <Shapeshifter> ardchoille, Dr_willis_: I'm not sure that would fit into https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto I can post a link at the factoid page but where should I write the wiki entry?
[19:08] <psie> ok guys
[19:08] <draik> !de | psie
[19:08] <ubotu> psie: please see above
[19:09] <psie> we are leaving
[19:09] <draik> bazhang: So... Possible? Beryl + Gutsy?
[19:10] <psie> @ RIKE plz come to private caht!
[19:10] <psie> chat
[19:10] <leprod6> ciao a tutti
[19:10] <RIKE> wo?
[19:10] <RIKE> wie gehtn das heirß
[19:10] <bazhang> draik: possible--likely, though not sure how to go about it--can tell you about compiz-fusion if you like :}
[19:10] <leprod6> cè qualche italiano qui?
[19:10] <ardchoille> !it
[19:10] <leprod6> hi to all
[19:10] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[19:10] <bazhang> !it | leprod6
[19:10] <ubotu> leprod6: please see above
[19:11] <Dr_willis_> Shapeshifter,  hmm some where on help.ubuntu.com :) guess it can be linkee to from the boottom of the wiki under 'related' links.
[19:11] <psie> in den anderen raum der sich geöffnet hat oder in ubuntu-de
[19:11] <Dr_willis_> Twinview Configuration Guide  perhaps?
[19:11] <leprod6> ops bye!
[19:11] <draik> bazhang: I tried it. I can't rotate. I don't get the cube. It does nothing. It's like staring at option, choosing them and then being told, "Yeah, I would love to do that too"
[19:11] <ardchoille> psie: Please take the German to the German channel
[19:11] <Dr_willis_> Shapeshifter,  ive only edited/tweaked a few of the wiki pages.
[19:11] <intExDK> Hey. I would like to find a mount software similar to Daemon Tools for Linux/Kubuntu. Anybody?
[19:12] <psie> guys please tell me if i can open a terminal in kde using the command xterm?
[19:12] <bazhang> draik: well, I've run through all the things you need to do (and you've apparently done), not sure where to go from here. :}
[19:12] <Dr_willis_> Shapeshifter,  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaMultiMonitors - seems ready for your editing needs. :)
[19:12] <b0nn> psie: have you tried to?
[19:12] <timri> psie: Dont like konsole?
[19:12] <Dr_willis_> Shapeshifter,  given the sad state of that wiki entry. :) got for it!
[19:12] <draik> bazhang: I don't feel that I have my nVidia card as it should be since I cannot get my OpenGL screensaver to work.
[19:12] <psie> ok
[19:12] <Shapeshifter> And besides, this surfaced a new problem: If I start e.g. Amarok on the secondary screen it will put a tiny tray icon on the upper left corner as a single window. How can I put another tray area on the panel I've placed on the secondary screen?
[19:12] <psie> thats ok 4 me
[19:12] <ardchoille> psie: you would need to install it forst
[19:13] <psie> i just dont have kde
[19:13] <bazhang> hey b0nn
[19:13] <draik> psie: Yakuake
[19:13] <me> hello all :)
[19:13] <b0nn> hey bazhang :)
[19:13] <Shapeshifter> Dr_willis_: Yeah I'll put it there when I find out how to fix the tray problem ;)
[19:13] <bazhang> :}
[19:13] <timri> psie: aptitude install xterm
[19:13] <psie> ok thx
[19:14] <me> i just installed kubuntu (again) and can't find the app that lets me change the menu names from long (descriptive) to norman. Anyone know what does that? thanks :)
[19:14] <ardchoille> psie: You'll need sudo for that
[19:14] <b0nn> apt-get install porn
[19:14] <b0nn> :)
[19:14] <me> norman/normal
[19:14] <b0nn> we need a porn repo
[19:14] <ardchoille> me: it's in kcontrol, hold on and I'll find it
[19:14] <bazhang> !oh my
[19:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about oh my - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:14] <me> ardchoille: thank you so much :)
[19:14] <bazhang> oops
[19:14] <ardchoille> me: right click you rpanela dn choose Configure panel
[19:15] <ardchoille> me: in the Configure gui, go to the Menus section
[19:15] <draik> ardchoille: Bit of a train wreck there in the middle, huh?
[19:15] <Shapeshifter> I need a second Tray area (on my secondary taskbar) how can I get that?
[19:15] <ardchoille> draik: ?
[19:15] <simone> salve a tutti
[19:16] <me> wow, that did it :) thanks so much ardchoille :)
[19:16] <ardchoille> me: yw
[19:16] <me> i have to write that down :)
[19:16] <draik> right click you rpanela dn choose Configure panel...     "you rpanela dn"
[19:16] <me> anyone running 64bit version and "recordmydesktop"?
[19:16] <me> and if yes, does it work for you?
[19:16] <bazhang> !it | simone
[19:16] <psie> sudo passwd root     <<< is this a valid command in kde
[19:16] <ubotu> simone: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[19:17] <psie> terminal
[19:17] <ardchoille> draik: yeah, I haven't yet installed libtype-what-I-want-not-what-I-said
[19:17] <bazhang> hahha
[19:17] <ardchoille> psie: That is not supported nor necessary, please don't enable your root account, it makes your system less secure.
[19:17] <draik> ardchoille: I do live chat at work and I'm happy for the spell checker.
[19:17] <ardchoille> draik: hehe
[19:18] <me> any "blender" users in here?
[19:18] <psie> please just tell me if it is working
[19:18] <draik> me: I use a blender for margaritas, if that helps.
[19:18] <ardchoille> psie: Tell you if what is working?
[19:18] <psie> i don'T own a kde i am using ubnutu i just try to help someon eout
[19:18] <Shapeshifter> me: kind of sometimes on a very low scale
[19:18] <psie>  sudo passwd root
[19:18] <psie> thisi command
[19:18] <Dr_willis_> theres no need to set the root password.
[19:18] <draik> psie: Yes
[19:18] <ardchoille> psie: Please don't teach others how to enable the root account, it's not a good thing.
[19:18] <psie> thx
[19:18] <draik> psie: sudo su
[19:18] <Dr_willis_> and  'sudo passwd' will ask for/make  the root password. correct.
[19:19] <bazhang> psie: sudo is enough
[19:19] <me> Shapeshifter: cool! it's hard to find blender users. What version of kubuntu are you running?
[19:19] <ardchoille> psie: sudo -i
[19:19] <psie> i will tell them to disable it again
[19:19] <Dr_willis_> !sudo
[19:19] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[19:19] <ardchoille> psie: ^^
[19:19] <Dr_willis_> psie,  why bother? when sudo can do it all.
[19:20] <ardchoille> psie: Tell them it's quite difficult to brute force a locked root account ;)
[19:20] <nonewmsgs_> what is the chmod to give users permission to a folder
[19:20] <psie> Well we need to set up sth. on a GUI what requires a root passwd and it is not working with the sude passwd
[19:20] <Dr_willis_> nonewmsgs_,  all users? 1 user?  read/write?
[19:20] <nonewmsgs_> all users rw
[19:20] <Dr_willis_> psie,  for a gui program use the kdesu command
[19:20] <psie> lol^
[19:21] <psie> thx
[19:21] <vge> chmod +guo rw
[19:21] <Dr_willis_> kdesu GUICOMMAND
[19:21] <psie> I have never had kde
[19:21] <nonewmsgs_> im looking at the help file and im still stuck.  i dont know what octal mode is, etc
[19:21] <ardchoille> nonewmsgs_: What exactly are you trying to do?
[19:21] <nonewmsgs_> then use gksudo instead
[19:22] <nonewmsgs_> ardchoile i want to give rw permission to all users
[19:22] <me> has anyone managed to install wine 0.9.47 or .48? I'm only showing version 0.9.46
[19:22] <ardchoille> nonewmsgs_: chmod a+rw
[19:22] <ardchoille> nonewmsgs_: is this a system file/folder?
[19:22] <timri> nonewmsgs_: You can do that with konqueror (right click, properties, permissions tab)
[19:23] <mm_202> Anyone else having FF 2.0.0.8 lock up on 7.10?
[19:23] <timri> MetaMorfoziS: gutsy repos are frozen at .46
[19:23] <nonewmsgs_> it wouldnt let me in dolphin, but thanks that is good to know :D the chmod thing worked like a dream too thanks ardchoile
[19:24] <ardchoille> nonewmsgs_: yw
[19:24] <timri> nonewmsgs_: Yeah, dolphin is SO much easier >)
[19:24] <ardchoille> lol
[19:25]  * Dr_willis_ stuffs dolphin in a tuna can.
[19:25] <ardchoille> hahaha
[19:25] <nonewmsgs_> so i should just stick with konquorer as my default file manager
[19:26] <me> bye :)
[19:26] <draik> bazhang: I have the nVidia GeForce FX 5700LE. Is that nvidia-glx-new or just nvidia-glx?
[19:26] <ardchoille> nonewmsgs_: You should stick with the one which works best for you
[19:26] <draik> Dolphin?
[19:26] <bazhang> I much prefer dolphin :}
[19:26] <timri> nonewmsgs: I prefer konqueror
[19:26] <Shapeshifter> What should I do if the system tray applet in the panel doesn't accept any tray icons? The applet is started but if I e.g. open amarok the amarok tray icon will appear in a little windows in the top left corner of the screen. how can I get the tray icons to show up in the tray?
[19:26] <nonewmsgs> i will use both :D
[19:27] <Dr_willis_> I always set Konqueror as my default file manager. :)
[19:27] <draik> !dolphin
[19:27] <ubotu> Dolphin, or more properly D3lphin, is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror - Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory and inode/system_directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin.
[19:27] <bazhang> draik: which have you tried?
[19:27] <psycholic> Hello how can i use su in kubuntu i thought i knew the password but it don't work
[19:27] <timri> Dr_willis_: Same here, plus, I removed that d3lph program
[19:27] <draik> bazhang: With Feisty, I had -new
[19:28] <ardchoille> !sudo | psycholic
[19:28] <ubotu> psycholic: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[19:28] <biovore> psycholic: try sudo -i
[19:28] <timri> psycholic: You used kdesu?
[19:28] <psycholic> ok thanks
[19:28] <nonewmsgs> that su/root issue is here a lot.  does that mean that people are migrating from other distros or are reading other distros docs?
[19:28] <Dr_willis_> !info sux
[19:28] <ubotu> sux: wrapper around su which will transfer your X credentials. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.1-3.2 (gutsy), package size 8 kB, installed size 64 kB
[19:28] <bazhang> migrating
[19:29] <nonewmsgs> sweet
[19:29] <Dr_willis_> nonewmsgs,  yep. They cant handle the 'security above all else' mentality that Kubuntu has. :)
[19:29] <bazhang> draik: have you tried new in gutsy?
[19:29] <draik> I have -new in Gutsy
[19:29] <ardchoille> Dr_willis_: wow, nice name for that wrapper, lol
[19:29] <bazhang> draik: did you see the wiki for your card?
[19:29] <draik> Which wiki?
[19:30] <draik> I've gone through so many
[19:30] <bazhang> !nvidia
[19:30] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[19:32] <Dr_willis_> this is the 7500 nvidia card?
[19:33] <bazhang> 5700 I believe
[19:33] <Dr_willis_> that # card - just seems to have ... issues.. :)
[19:34] <mm_202> Is there a way to get tabs in Dolphin?
[19:34] <draik> nVidia GeForce FX 5700LE
[19:34]  * timri looks around innocently at the mention of THAT app
[19:35] <Dr_willis_> http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/100.14.11/README/appendix-a.html says that card is supported with the nvidia-glx driver
[19:35] <Dr_willis_> mm_202,  thats too complex.. so its been removed. :)
[19:35] <Dr_willis_> along with all the other  to-hard-to-use-features. :)
[19:35] <bazhang> mm_202: if you look at configure dolphin, then you can choose to customize thte toolbar
[19:36] <bazhang> err the
[19:36] <Shapeshifter> What should I do if the system tray applet in the panel doesn't accept any tray icons? The applet is started but if I e.g. open amarok the amarok tray icon will appear in a little windows in the top left corner of the screen. how can I get the tray icons to show up in the tray?
[19:36] <Dr_willis_> Then again.. ive had so many other issues with Dolphin. I havent explored it much
[19:36] <mm_202> bazhang: danke
[19:36] <timri> Dr_willis_: Ouch, bad pun
[19:36] <Dr_willis_> Shapeshifter,  ive noticed that issue at times with compiz.
[19:36] <BigPick> I like dolphin so far.
[19:36] <timri> Shapeshifter: Screenshot?
[19:37] <hdevalence> hey do you know how to set it so that if I touch the touchpad it doesn't click?
[19:37] <bazhang> wow--I like dolphin. :/
[19:37] <psycholic> nonewmsgs: i have 2 rigs one is my wifes this is mine i have thought about making my rig a ubuntu rig but my wifes rig is the test ground...
[19:37] <timri> hdevalence: MaxTapTime in xorg.conf
[19:37] <Shapeshifter> timri: I can get you a screenshot, wait a minute...
[19:37] <bazhang> mm_202: but it doesn't seem to do much..sorry :{
[19:38] <mm_202> yeah, that sucks
[19:38] <psycholic> any way do i need to log out after i add my user to sudo
[19:38] <mm_202> why the hell did they remove the tabs??
[19:38] <psycholic> or should it just pick up the change
[19:38] <timri> mm_202: I think Dr W gave a sufficiently eloquent explanation
[19:38] <bazhang> haha
[19:39] <timri> psycholic:  I think you have to log out first, not sure though
[19:39] <mm_202> lol, /me was hoping he was joking :S
[19:39] <psycholic> i'll give it a go all i got is time....
[19:39] <Dr_willis_> mm_202,  :)
[19:39] <Dr_willis_> Make things user friendly by removing features. :)
[19:39] <Dr_willis_> The new 'paradime'
[19:39] <mm_202> lol
[19:39] <hdevalence> timri: how do I use it? I can't find MaxTapTIme in man xorg.conf
[19:40] <timri> hdvalence: One moment please
[19:40] <hdevalence> timri: ok
[19:40] <draik> bazhang: Yes, I've been through those wikis numerous times. What do you think?
[19:41] <sweettooth> hey there, im setting my new kontact mailbox, do i still need to get gotmail to check hotmail?
[19:41] <miso_> I've got an external drive at /media/store which I can't write to (unless I sudo). How can I fix this? I want to use it for backup...
[19:41] <timri> hdevalence: In the InputDevice section corresponding to your touchpad, add the line:
[19:41] <timri> hdevalence: Option  "MaxTapTime"  "0"
[19:41] <bazhang> draik: Dr_willis_ says it is the glx one, I'd trust him over anything I might say :}
[19:41] <Shapeshifter> timri: Look, http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/7743/snapshot3mw8.png8 I can move around and scale the tray icon on the screen, but the tray area (which i right clicked on here) stays empty
[19:42] <timri> hdevalence: Then restart X
[19:42] <timri> Shapeshifter: Correct url: http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/7743/snapshot3mw8.png
[19:42] <draik> bazhang: glx it is...
[19:42] <Dr_willis_> Huh? what? huh? :)
[19:42] <bazhang> draik: good luck
[19:43] <Dr_willis_> Yea. that was on the nvidia supported cards link.
[19:43] <Shapeshifter> timri: yes
[19:43] <timri> Shapeshifter: HOLY COW! never seen that one before
[19:43] <draik> Why do I always get this message...
[19:43] <draik> debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Kde
[19:43] <draik> debconf: (Unable to load Qt -- is libqt-perl installed?)
[19:43] <draik> debconf: falling back to frontend: Dialog
[19:43] <draik> Ok, done.
[19:43] <Dr_willis_> Ive seen that meddage befor..
[19:43] <draik> Restart X?
[19:44] <draik> Also, should I use Generic or 386 for the kernel?
[19:44] <bazhang> draik: did you install libqt-perl?
[19:44] <Dr_willis_> the  apt package tools can support different 'methods' for getting input from the user during install.
[19:44] <hdevalence> timri: out of Configured Mouse and Synaptics Touchpad, the touchpad is the right one, right?
[19:44] <Dr_willis_> dialog - is the classic console based one I belive.
[19:44] <Shapeshifter> timri: well.... it "might" just have something to do with me using two X screens ^^ On screen0 the tray works correctly. All I want is a second tray on screen1.
[19:44] <draik> bazhang: Just did
[19:44] <psycholic> all i want to do is flush my iptables
[19:44] <bazhang> htop is so nice. thanks all.
[19:44] <timri> hdevalence: Yes. I can paste that section if you want.
[19:44] <hdevalence> timri: I'm ignoring all the ones that say tablet PC only
[19:44] <Dr_willis_> There used to be some dpkg-reconfigure option that could set the differnt ways/modes it used.
[19:45] <miso_> apologies for reasking - can anywone tell me how to make /media/store writeable for a normal user?
[19:45] <hdevalence> timri: Thanks for the help
[19:45] <Dr_willis_> miso_,  what sort of HD  is on /media/store?
[19:45] <timri> Shapeshifter: Ah!
[19:45] <miso_> usb
[19:45] <Dr_willis_> miso_,  and its filesystem is?
[19:45] <timri> hdevalence: Of course, the section for the touchpad ONLY!
[19:45] <miso_> fat
[19:45] <draik> Dr_willis_ bazhang: Logout, restart X, Login?
[19:45] <Shapeshifter> timri: so the tray applet on screen1 is broken.
[19:45] <timri> hdevalence: You're welcome
[19:46] <miso_> fwiw I'm runnin gutsy
[19:46] <Dr_willis_> miso_,  Hmm..   it 'should' mount that thing where all users can access it.
[19:46] <Dr_willis_> miso_,  is it read only? or cant even read it?
[19:46] <miso_> Dr W - it mounts fine, I just can't write a file (or directory) to it. I can read from it. If sudo, can do anything...
[19:47] <Shapeshifter> timri, Dr_willis_: and in fact it works when Compiz-Fusion is disabled...
[19:47] <timri> Shapeshifter: The strange thing is, there should be only one ! (no pun intended)
[19:47] <Dr_willis_> Shapeshifter,  now ya know why compiz was not included by default. :)
[19:47] <bazhang> haha
[19:47] <Dr_willis_> miso_,  Hmm.. Not sure of what/where to fix it. other then to manually mount the thing.
[19:47] <timri> Shapeshifter: Your kicker spans the two screens? Perhaps that helps
[19:48] <draik> bazhang: Nope. Screensaver still doesn't work.
[19:48] <n1lo> where i can install compiz-fusion on kubuntu 7.10?
[19:48] <Dr_willis_> !compiz
[19:48] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[19:48] <draik> !compiz
[19:48] <timri> Shapeshifter: As in: http://osdir.com/ml/kde.devel.konversation/2006-07/msg00011.html
[19:49] <bazhang> n1lo: you need to install some packages--are you ok with the command line?
[19:49] <Shapeshifter> timri: as I have two independent X screens I can't even span one kicker over both screens, I'm using two independent kickers. It's actually quite fun to see how kde is shaking things up because somethings are unrelated between the two screens, other things are connected and will be treated as one session. ;)
[19:49] <timri> Shapeshifter: Yeah, in that case dcop must have a field day :)
[19:50] <Dr_willis_> At one time i had kde going twice  - once in vnc, once in the desktop.. if i logged out of ONE.. then BOTH would logout
[19:50] <n1lo> bazhang: ah ok, tks. . . i know the commands to install! =]
[19:50] <timri> Shapeshifter: Perhaps this is one for #kde
[19:51] <Shapeshifter> timri: If I 1. close compiz, 2. start amarok, 3. start compiz the tray icon is in the taskbar, and then 4. close amarok, 5. open amarok I get the floating tray icon again. Well. Mh. It could as well be for #compiz-fusion. I'll ask over there ;)
[19:51] <draik> bazhang: Ok. Let's start fresh. I want to get Compiz-Fusion working. All I care about having is a rotating cube and the ability to place my mouse in the upper right corner and seeing all of the open applications from the 4 sides of my cube.
[19:51] <timri> Shapeshifter: Good luck.
[19:51] <n1lo> bazhang: I was think: "Were is the botton to press to install compiz-fusion?"
[19:52] <Dr_willis_> Im amazed at the effort people go through for compiz eye candy.
[19:52] <Dr_willis_> :)
[19:52] <n1lo> bazhang: Its not implemented.
[19:52] <bazhang> n1lo: ok  then you need to sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager compiz-fusion-plugins-main compiz-fusion-plugins-extra compiz-kde emerald
[19:53] <froggles> hi gang
[19:53] <bazhang> draik: I think it might be an issue with your card--is it a laptop, or a desktop
[19:53] <froggles> how do i turn off iptables?
[19:53] <draik> bazhang: Desktop
[19:53] <n1lo> Dr_willis_: I think it get a lot of memory. =(
[19:53] <froggles> does kubuntu come with iptables enabled ?
[19:54] <Dr_willis_> froggles,  it comes with no rules by default
[19:54] <froggles> oh
[19:54] <Dr_willis_> froggles,  so if its ON with no rules - is that off? :)
[19:54] <Dr_willis_> !firewall
[19:54] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[19:54] <bazhang> guarddog is nice
[19:56] <bazhang> draik: you now have the proper drivers installed for your card--correct?
[19:56] <draik> bazhang: I have nvidia-glx installed, no longer -new.
[19:56] <bazhang> and you have all the packages I just listed for n1lo as well, right?
[19:58] <froggles> how do i turn off iptables ?
[19:58] <sweettooth> hi there, I typed cat /proc/asound/cards and i want to check the device to another card, how do i do that?
[19:59] <Dr_willis_> froggles,  if theres no 'rules' set with iptables - then it basicially is off
[19:59] <bazhang> draik: you have those installed as well?
[19:59] <Dr_willis_>  sudo iptables --list
[20:04] <Ch1ppy> hey, ever since I upgraded to gutsy my nvidia drivers get removed every reboot.  I suspect this has something to do wit hthe new Restricted Drivers thing, but I have no idea how to fix it?
[20:04] <Dr_willis_> Reinstall them with the 'restricted-manager' tool  perhaps?
[20:05] <Dr_willis_> You dident use AUtomatix or Envy  have you?
[20:05] <Alarm> first of all, how can i see all the refresh rates that my monitor supports on each resolution ?
[20:05] <Ch1ppy> Dr_willis_: I've installed them from the nvidia sh installer.  How do I resintall them with the restricted driver tool?
[20:06] <Dr_willis_> !info restricted-manager
[20:06] <ubotu> restricted-manager: manage non-free hardware drivers - GNOME frontend. In component restricted, is optional. Version 0.33.1 (gutsy), package size 38 kB, installed size 316 kB
[20:06] <merlett> hiho!
[20:06] <merlett> !info
[20:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about info - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:06] <Ch1ppy> Dr_willis_: I know what it is, and how to get to it, but that doesn't help me reinstall drivers with it
[20:06] <Dr_willis_> Install the package, run the tool. :) click the nvidia box. BUT if you ahve allready used the nvidia isntaller.. you might be confusing things.
[20:06] <Shapeshifter> How can I add apps to be started upon login? for gnome there's this session manager but the session manager in kde has no such options. Where can I add these apps?
[20:06] <Ch1ppy> Dr_willis_: As I said, nvidia drivers are already installed, so the box is checked
[20:07] <Dr_willis_> not sure of the proper way to use the nvidia install scripts
[20:07] <Dr_willis_> it may be the module just isent getting loaded at startup.
[20:07] <Ch1ppy> Dr_willis_: it was before upgrading to gutsy... but is there any way to check?
[20:07] <Dr_willis_> when it dosent work. use 'lsmod' and see whats loaded.
[20:08] <Dr_willis_> then perhaps manually load the 'nvidia' module with 'sudo modprobe nvidia' and try startx
[20:09] <Ch1ppy> okay, well brb
[20:12] <soon> Im trying to get IM contact with someone using Kopete and IRC - would someone here care to help me check it out for me ....
[20:13] <webvictim> well, you're on IRC...
[20:13] <webvictim> so you're probably most of the way there :P
[20:13] <soon> yup - I just need to connect to someone using Kopete - can I try you?
[20:14] <webvictim> i don't understand
[20:14] <webvictim> you want to send me a private message?
[20:14] <soon> Actually I dont really know Kopete at all ....
[20:14] <webvictim> heh
[20:14] <draik> bazhang: Sorry, got a visit from a cousin I never knew I had.
[20:14] <draik> bazhang: Yes, I have those installed
[20:14] <webvictim> well, IRC isn't like a conventional IM service
[20:14] <soon> I recon, I can use it to connect 1-to-1 via IRC
[20:15] <webvictim> IRC needs a server
[20:15] <webvictim> and for two people, it's a bit pointless
[20:15] <Shapeshifter> Can I specify on which screen an Autostart command should be run? I have two independent X screens and I would need that command to run on screen1 and not screen0
[20:15] <soon> Its just I dont want the bother of setting up MSN or Jabber accounts
[20:15] <webvictim> hm, i see what you mean
[20:16] <webvictim> you can certainly use IRC if you can teach them how to get here :)
[20:16] <webvictim> you could make your own channel
[20:16] <webvictim> or just private message (query) each other
[20:16] <soon> Would I need to use Konversation for the actual chatting or can that be done from within Kopete?
[20:17] <Dr_willis_> Shapeshifter,    you could do it by making a script that exports the proper SCREEN variable, then runs the command.
[20:17] <webvictim> i'm not sure what kopete's IRC support is like
[20:17] <webvictim> but i believe i've seen quit messages with it in, so i'd presume it's possible :)
[20:17] <Dr_willis_> oops it would be the 'display
[20:17] <Shapeshifter> Dr_willis_: that's what I'm trying to do, I thought it was DISPLAY=0:1 or something like that but I can hardly google for that information
[20:17] <Dr_willis_> oops it would be the 'display' variable. not the screen variable, :) my mistake
[20:18] <soon> hmm
[20:18] <draik> bazhang: I have it all installed. Sadly enough, I do not have OpenGL working for my screensaver.
[20:18] <Dr_willis_> 'DISPLAY=0:1 command'     should do it.
[20:18] <Dr_willis_> IF you have the proper X  permissions
[20:18] <soon> I've added you as webvictim@Freenode and it tells med youre not available / cant be reached
[20:18] <Dr_willis_> xhost +localhost may be needed to get ran some how befor you do this.
[20:18] <webvictim> i don't think it works like that :(
[20:19] <soon> apparently not :-(
[20:19] <soon> not to worry ... I'll just tell him to reach me here ...
[20:19] <soon> thanks though
[20:19] <Alarm> i got a 19" monitor. how can i set a higher refresh rate for the 1152x864 (the maximum i see is 85) resolution , or through xorg or through the nvidia tool
[20:19] <Dr_willis_> IRC is radically diffrent from Yahoo and so forth. :)
[20:19] <Shapeshifter> Dr_willis_: If I do DISPLAY=0:1 command then I get an error "..... yadda... "cannot open display""
[20:19] <webvictim|> this is a bit weird :P
[20:19] <webvictim|> but i guess it does work on some level
[20:20] <Dr_willis_> Shapeshifter,  thats the X security stuff precventing what could be bad activity
[20:20] <Dr_willis_> 'xhost + localhost' on both desktops MAY let it work
[20:21] <Shapeshifter> Dr_willis_: Well, it doesn't ;)
[20:22] <Zyklon-B> is there anyone who is a premium member of rapidshare.com and can easily handle with downloading files as in flashget
[20:23] <Shapeshifter> Dr_willis_: The problem is that emerald doesn't start automatically on screen1 when logging in. CF does, but emerald only starts on screen0. So I wanted to put a script to ~/.kde/Autostart to make it work. The script looks like this: sleep 10 && DISPLAY=0:1 emerald --replace
[20:24] <psycholic> Ok got sudo to work
[20:24] <psycholic> flushed my iptables
[20:24] <psycholic> and i can't get on the web still
[20:25] <psycholic> any one got any ideas was there a update with 7.10 that might have done this
[20:25] <draik> bazhang: What's your next step?
[20:25] <webvictim> psycholic: how doesn't it work?
[20:25] <webvictim> (as in, what can't you do)
[20:25] <psycholic> welll i have a router
[20:26] <psycholic> i check that its connected
[20:26] <psycholic> i have ktorrent running
[20:26] <Dr_willis_> Shapeshifter,  could be emerald has some issues.. Try it for some other apps and see if it works for them.
[20:26] <psycholic> it won't connect and no web brosers work
[20:27] <webvictim> you're on the same computer now though, talking on IRC?
[20:27] <Shapeshifter> Dr_willis_: DISPLAY=0:1 kate won't work eighter.
[20:27] <psycholic> no this is my other linux rig
[20:27] <psycholic> i have a network
[20:27] <webvictim> sure
[20:27] <webvictim> does the other computer get an IP address
[20:27] <psycholic> umm ok
[20:27] <psycholic> yes
[20:27] <webvictim> and can you ping the computer you're on now?
[20:28] <merlett> hi! ie got some problems with the ATI Driver i got from ati.com... i installed them like in the instructions and the 3D Part still doesn work. can anyone help me please?
[20:28] <Dr_willis_> Shapeshifter,  on each desktop. open up a terminal and use the  'xhost + localhost' command
[20:28] <psycholic> hmmm i never did that before what do i need to type in term to ping my other box i do know the ip
[20:28] <webvictim> ping <ip>
[20:28] <webvictim> :P
[20:28] <psycholic> lol
[20:28] <hdevalence> hey, so i disabled mouseclicking on the touchpad and now the scroller thing doesn't work. Is that a consequence of disablin gthe tapping?
[20:28] <psycholic> ok i'll try that
[20:29] <mneisen> Hi, after installing compiz, katapult ceased to work. Anybody know something about this?
[20:30] <psycholic> do i have to break this if i want it to stop
[20:30] <psycholic>  ctrl ^c
[20:30] <Shapeshifter> Dr_willis_: It doesn't work. I had some problems with X on behalf of something else. I think with "localhost" and this xhost command you're referring to X using network ports. But if you (i don't know how) grep port :600 you will see no X, because it uses a "unix socket" or something like that ^^ I have no idea in detail but....
[20:31] <psycholic> got this
[20:31] <Shapeshifter> Dr_willis_: netstat -plunt | grep :600
[20:31] <psycholic> 67 packets transmitted, 67 received, 0% packet loss, time 66016ms
[20:31] <psycholic> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.037/0.039/0.045/0.006 ms
[20:31] <draik> Dr_willis_: You believe my nVidia GeForce FX 5700LE is glx and not glx-new?
[20:31] <Dr_willis_> Shapeshifter,  you are getting into some Old-skool linux/X stuff now. :)
[20:31] <mneisen> Hi, after installing compiz, katapult ceased to work. Anybody know something about this?
[20:32] <Dr_willis_> draik,  i never have seen what uses 'glx-new' i though that was for the 8800+ cards.
[20:32] <Dr_willis_> draik,  it should be nvidia-glx, or glx-new, ts not glx-legacy
[20:32] <webvictim> mneisen: press alt+f2, type katapult and press enter
[20:32] <webvictim> then try alt+space
[20:32] <webvictim> does it work?
[20:32] <psycholic> how do i check my ip address
[20:32] <webvictim> psycholic: ifconfig
[20:32] <Shapeshifter> Dr_willis_: Yeah... it totally sucks. Why can't linux be more dual head friendly. I mean it's soso these days but 3 years ago it was a desaster..
[20:32] <draik> With Feisty, I tried glx and turned out I needed glx-new (which I found to be weird as well.
[20:33] <Dr_willis_> Shapeshifter,  to be honest with you - you ARE doing some weird things. and i think 1/2 your problems are from using the same user/kde on 2 different sessions.
[20:33] <Dr_willis_> what you are geting into now has NOTHING to do with dualhead. :) but more of 'dual desktops'
[20:33] <Dr_willis_> You would encounter similer issues with 2 vnc sessions, or so forth.
[20:34] <Shapeshifter> Dr_willis_: mh ;) Well, you know actually, why am I doing this? Because I want two independent CF cubes :P
[20:34] <Dr_willis_> Plus you are adding compiz into the mix - and compiz is very much a 'work in progress'
[20:34] <Shapeshifter> Dr_willis_: And I have two independet cubes now, its AWESOME.
[20:34] <lespea> psycholic: ifconfig in a terminal
[20:34] <Dr_willis_> Shapeshifter,   I find the cube useless... :)
[20:34] <Dr_willis_> i find most of the compiz stuff useless..
[20:34] <merlett> hi! ie got some problems with the ATI Driver i got from ati.com... i installed them like in the instructions and the 3D Part still doesn work. can anyone help me please? got an x700
[20:35] <Shapeshifter> Dr_willis_: Well, matter of taste
[20:35] <psycholic> well i cant ping the other computer it does nothing and says sent # recived )
[20:35] <Dr_willis_> some people spend way too much time twiddling wuith eyecandy. :)
[20:35] <psycholic> i did mange to ping myself lol
[20:35] <draik> I think bazhang went MIA
[20:35] <mneisen> webvictim: no, it does not work. it seems like alt+space does not trigger katapult any more.
[20:35] <lespea> psycholic: could be that a firewall is blocking it
[20:35] <psycholic> yeah
[20:36] <Dr_willis_> could be compiz is taking over the keybindings. with somthing else
[20:36] <Shapeshifter> Dr_willis_: Eyecandy is good. It make's working more fun and less stressful. After all the stress getting it working ^^
[20:36] <Dr_willis_> since compiz does replace the kde window manager
[20:36] <webvictim> i just got it going though
[20:36] <biovore> ^ yup thats it..
[20:36] <Dr_willis_> Shapeshifter,  sounds like you managed to stress yourself out quite a bit fighting with the system.
[20:36] <psycholic> i installed guardog firewall didn't know what i was doing and fed up something
[20:36] <webvictim> and i haven't changed the compiz key bindings
[20:37] <G_Willakers> my laptop doesn't play nice with compiz.  I like it on my desktop though
[20:37] <psycholic> i tryed to flush my iptables did not work
[20:37] <Dr_willis_> webvictim,  the default bindings MAY be taking over.
[20:37] <Dr_willis_> compiz has its own set of keybinding controlls/settings
[20:37] <ubuntu_> Is there a reason knetworkmanager would work in kubuntu and not in debian with my wireless card?
[20:38] <webvictim> sure, but i don't think but the default bindings interfere with katapult
[20:38] <Dr_willis_> webvictim,  try some other kde keybindings..
[20:38] <Dr_willis_> do any of them work. :)
[20:38] <webvictim> alt+f2 does :D
[20:38] <webvictim> although i will admit that i have tried to bind winkey+R to the same function, and it won't work :(
[20:39] <Dr_willis_> alt-space is often used to activate the windows/menus. thats a common issue with katapult at times
[20:39] <psycholic> i don't want to have to renintall it that sucks
[20:39] <Dr_willis_> fire up ccsm and look at all the bindings I guess.
[20:39] <psycholic> guess i have to
[20:39] <Dr_willis_> psycholic,  or learn how to use guarddog. :)
[20:39] <webvictim> psycholic: do sudo /etc/init.d/iptables stop
[20:39] <psycholic> i uninstalled it
[20:40] <webvictim> and give a ping another try
[20:40] <Dr_willis_> guarddog proberly generated a iptables ruleset. which is still around
[20:40] <psycholic> ok
[20:40] <psycholic> i can do that
[20:40] <Dr_willis_> 'sudo iptables --list'  to see them all
[20:40] <webvictim> bear in mind that i don't know how guarddog works
[20:40] <webvictim> but i think if you disable iptables, we should be able to work out whether that's the problem
[20:42] <doe_> hello all
[20:42] <doe_> I have a quick question: does anyone here know how to use Keep to backup files to a samba share on a network?
[20:42] <Shapeshifter> Dr_willis_: Well how would I be able to run two parallel X sessions each of them on one screen?
[20:43] <Dr_willis_> Shapeshifter,  vnc :) and put one in a vncclient window. or xnest
[20:43] <Dr_willis_> i test out diffrent desktops that way all the time
[20:43] <Dr_willis_> of course compiz wont work with that stuff
[20:43] <Shapeshifter> Dr_willis_yeah well. ...
[20:44] <Shapeshifter> Dr_willis_: I'm hungry now :P gtg
[20:44] <Shapeshifter> thx for the help
[20:44] <Dr_willis_> but it can workj as a test bed to see how to run different apps with display, and xhost and so forth
[20:44] <Shapeshifter> yeah well. cu then
[20:45] <psycholic> well iptables has no lists i did do a flush
[20:45] <psycholic> sudo iptables --flush
[20:46] <psycholic> can i check to see what ip address are on my network? ie... term
[20:48] <Dr_willis_> You mean scan the network for what ip address other machines are using?
[20:49] <mneisen> is there a way to use "normal" KDE window decorations with compiz?
[20:49] <doe_> mneisen: you probably want kde-window-decorator
[20:50] <mneisen> doe_: thanks.
[20:50] <doe_> does anyone know of a good way to automatically back up my home folder to a samba share on the network daily?
[20:50] <doe_> Keep doesn't seem to like samba shares
[20:50] <doe_> although if you're willing to help me fix Keep to do it, I'd be grateful
[20:50] <Dr_willis_> depends on how you are accessing the share. :)
[20:51] <biovore> doe_: rsync
[20:51] <mneisen> doe_: in which repository is kde-window-decorator?
[20:51] <ardchoille> doe_: tar?
[20:51] <doe_> I have no idea how to use rsync to do that :-\
[20:51] <Dr_willis_> !info unison
[20:51] <ubotu> unison: A file-synchronization tool for Unix and Windows. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.13.16-6ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 469 kB, installed size 1128 kB
[20:51] <Dr_willis_> Unison is a rather neat tool
[20:52] <draik> Is there a GUI app to do multiple conversions of OGG to MP3?
[20:52] <doe_> ooh I'll try that, let me load it up
[20:52] <Dr_willis_> You could mount the samba share  with the 'fuse samba' tools and access the remote box as a local directory easially also.
[20:52] <Dr_willis_> then you could use whatever tool ya want.
[20:52] <doe_> true
[20:52] <Dr_willis_> !find fuse
[20:52] <ubotu> Found: fuse-utils, libfuse-dev, libfuse2, linux-image-2.6.22-14-386, linux-image-2.6.22-14-generic (and 22 others)
[20:52] <Dr_willis_> !info smbfuse
[20:52] <ubotu> Package smbfuse does not exist in gutsy
[20:52] <doe_> yeah I've used fuse before
[20:52] <Dr_willis_> !info fusesmb
[20:52] <ubotu> fusesmb: filesystem client based on the SMB file transfer protocol. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.6-1 (gutsy), package size 29 kB, installed size 140 kB
[20:52] <froggles> hi
[20:52] <Dr_willis_> :) i tend to use fusesmb all the time now a days
[20:52] <froggles> does anyone use irssi ?\
[20:53] <doe_> I'll try unison first, then just use fuse if it doesn't work
[20:53] <Dr_willis_> froggles,  i hate to say it.. but i bet anything you will ask about irssi. will be answered on the very well done irssi user guide on the irssi homepage. :)
[20:53] <Dr_willis_> http://irssi.org/documentation/startup
[20:54] <webvictim> froggles: definitely ;p
[20:54] <webvictim> the irssi website is very good though, i have to say
[20:54] <Dr_willis_> one of the best done..
[20:55] <Dr_willis_> compared to the disaster of BitchX docs ive seen... :)
[20:55] <ardchoille> lol
[20:55] <webvictim> haha
[20:56] <draik> !compiz
[20:56] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[20:57] <Zyklon-B> how can I configure d4x (download for x) in order to make it recognise my password in rapidshare.com
[20:57] <doe_> can you access password-protected shares with fusesmb btw? I seem to recall being unable to before
[20:57] <Dr_willis_> doe_,  you edit the .smb/config file to set up the passwords :)
[21:00] <FooAtari> hi.  Can someone help me with a problem mountain a hard disk?
[21:00] <soon> Sounds like a bloody big Harddisk :-)
[21:00] <blubb__> Anyone knows a tool to scale a pdf file to a certain paper size?
[21:01] <FooAtari> :)  Im trying to mount sdb1, which is formated in ext3.  But I get error  hal-storage-fixed-mount refused uid 1000
[21:01] <soon> dunno - sorry
[21:01] <biovore> blubb__: ghost script maybe..
[21:02] <FooAtari> no problem.  anyone?
[21:02] <antsurea> holaa
[21:02] <antsurea> hola
[21:05] <eagles0513875> im having a problem with java in firefox
[21:05] <eagles0513875> for some reason when i go to a site that uses java plugin firefox wants me to install java
[21:05] <eagles0513875> i ahve java 6 jde and jre installed why wont it work
[21:06] <webvictim> have you restarted firefox since you installed it?
[21:06] <eagles0513875> yes
[21:06] <eagles0513875> i installed java after upgrading to gutsy from feisty using distupgrade
[21:06] <crimsun_> please pastebin the output from `about:plugins' in FF's location bar
[21:06] <eagles0513875> crimsun_: ?
[21:07] <crimsun_> !pastebin |eagles0513875
[21:07] <ubotu> eagles0513875: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[21:07] <eagles0513875> i know about pastebin but i dont get what u want me to paste
[21:07] <crimsun_> eagles0513875: the contents of the `about:plugins' page.
[21:07] <eagles0513875> crimsun_: how do i get to it
[21:08] <TimS> Tm_T: Sorry, why doesnt the channel just turn off name changes and other notifications?
[21:08] <eagles0513875> TimS: find an op i think they can change it
[21:08] <Tm_T> TimS: er?
[21:08] <TimS> I changed my Nick
[21:08] <Tm_T> no we dont change it
[21:08] <crimsun_> eagles0513875: in the location bar, type: about:plugins
[21:08] <TimS> I do it alot
[21:09] <eagles0513875> all its showing is shockwave flash and future splash player
[21:09] <eagles0513875> :(
[21:09] <eagles0513875> no java
[21:09] <crimsun_> eagles0513875: so the plugin is, in fact, not installed.
[21:09] <Ch1ppy> hello, I'm having troubles with my nvidia drivers - every time I reboot they won't load again, even though the module is loaded...
[21:09] <Tm_T> TimS: just dont do it
[21:10] <eagles0513875> crimsun_: what plugin do i have to install
[21:10] <crimsun_> eagles0513875: what's the output from `dpkg -l sun-java\*-plugin|grep ^ii`?
[21:10] <eagles0513875> nothing is coming back
[21:11] <crimsun_> eagles0513875: and `dpkg -l sun-java\*-jre|grep ^ii`?
[21:11] <semistud2354> can anyone help me...when i boot my computer with gutsy on it it says "Cannot allocate resource region 7"
[21:11] <eagles0513875> crimsun_: i tried that it just brings up another line
[21:11] <semistud2354> then i have to press <ctrl+alt+f6>
[21:11] <crimsun_> eagles0513875: note that I changed 'plugin' to 'jre'
[21:11] <semistud2354> then it continues to boot normally whats the matter with my computer
[21:12] <eagles0513875> hhh ok
[21:12] <crimsun_> eagles0513875: (I'm trying to see which Java version you have installed via apt)
[21:12] <eagles0513875> when i installed it i installed java6
[21:12] <eagles0513875> both jre and jdk cuz that is what im learning in one of my courses
[21:12] <crimsun_> eagles0513875: I need to see the output from dpkg
[21:12] <eagles0513875> ok
[21:12] <semistud2354> anyone know whats going  on
[21:12] <semistud2354> ??
[21:13] <eagles0513875> jonathan@jonathan-laptop:~$ dpkg -l sun-java\*-jre|grep ^ii
[21:13] <davubuntu> hey guys, this might be more of an ubuntu question than kubuntu one but you guys are probably more likely to know the answer... I was using kde on feisty and notes was available. But since the upgrade I'm back to gnome and notes is not available with kontact and there seems to be no way of turning it on in the preferences. Can anyone suggest howto get notes back?
[21:13] <eagles0513875> ii  sun-java6-jre  6-03-0ubuntu2  Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 (ar
[21:13] <antsurea> hola me pueden ayudar???
[21:13] <eagles0513875> !es
[21:13] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[21:14] <eagles0513875> antsurea: este canale solo hablar en ingles por favor
[21:14] <eagles0513875> crimsun_: did u get what the dpkg said
[21:15] <ubuntu_> sup
[21:15] <ubuntu_> what we talkin bout
[21:15] <crimsun_> eagles0513875: yes
[21:15] <Deuce> deuce
[21:15] <crimsun_> eagles0513875: now, `sudo aptitude install sun-java6-plugin`
[21:15] <crimsun_> eagles0513875: after that completes successfully, restart FF
[21:16] <Deuce> yal i am runnig a live cd does the live cd have stuff when u intallis it
[21:16] <eagles0513875> its saying that it has no installation candidate
[21:16] <Deuce> yo
[21:16] <crimsun_> eagles0513875: make sure you have the multiverse repo enabled
[21:17] <Deuce> when i install kubuntu does it have more stuff than the live cd
[21:17] <eagles0513875> crimsun_: found it its named j2re1.4-mozilla-plugin
[21:17] <crimsun_> eagles0513875: no, that's incorrect.
[21:17] <eagles0513875> crimsun_: which one is it then
[21:17] <semistud2354> can anyone help me...when i boot my computer with gutsy on it it says "Cannot allocate resource region 7"
[21:17] <crimsun_> eagles0513875: you need, very specifically, the sun-java6-plugin package from multiverse
[21:17] <semistud2354> then i have to press <ctrl+alt+f6>
[21:17] <semistud2354> then it continues to boot normally whats the matter with my computer
[21:17] <eagles0513875> crimsun_: i have all repos enabled
[21:17] <Deuce> YO HELP ME
[21:18] <crimsun_> eagles0513875: apt-cache policy sun-java6-plugin
[21:18] <Deuce>  when i install kubuntu does it have more stuff than the live cd
[21:18] <Dr_willis_> Deuce,  what it dosent have you can always install.
[21:18] <crimsun_> semistud2354: that's a bit difficult to diagnose without seeing `lspci -vv` and `dmesg`
[21:18] <shadowhywind> Hay all I ran into an issue.. I deleted a file from the console *console only install* Is there a trashbin?
[21:18] <eagles0513875> installed non
[21:18] <eagles0513875> candidate none
[21:18] <eagles0513875> brb
[21:18] <semistud2354> how do i show that to you
[21:18] <Deuce> i know
[21:18] <semistud2354> will konversation let me just cut n past
[21:18] <Deuce> can anyone help me wiht installing things
[21:19] <Deuce> i dont know how to use tar.gz
[21:19] <crimsun_> eagles0513875: then you don't have gutsy/multiverse enabled, plain and simple
[21:19] <Dr_willis_> Deuce,   What are you installing that  you neea a tar.gz ?
[21:19] <semistud2354>  Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
[21:19] <semistud2354>         Latency: 64 (1750ns min, 1000ns max), Cache Line Size: 32 bytes
[21:19] <semistud2354>         Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 16
[21:19] <crimsun_> eagles0513875: you need this line in /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy multiverse
[21:19] <semistud2354>         Region 0: Memory at c020a000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256]
[21:19] <Deuce> iceweasle
[21:19] <semistud2354>         Region 1: Memory at c0209c00 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256]
[21:19] <Deuce> and other stuff
[21:19] <semistud2354>         Region 2: Memory at c0209800 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256]
[21:19] <crimsun_> semistud2354: please don't flood this channel.
[21:19] <Deuce> i dont get it
[21:19] <semistud2354>         Capabilities: <access denied>
[21:19] <Dr_willis_> !source
[21:19] <ubotu> You can easily fetch a package's source with apt-get. See: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html
[21:19] <semistud2354> 06:06.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
[21:19] <Dr_willis_> Hmm..
[21:20] <semistud2354>         Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Unknown device 30a4
[21:20] <semistud2354>         Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
[21:20] <semistud2354>         Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
[21:20] <semistud2354>         Latency: 128 (8000ns min, 16000ns max)
[21:20] <semistud2354>         Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 21
[21:20] <Dr_willis_> Deuce,  you will need to isntall build-essential package for the basic C compiler. and proberly several dozen other dev packages.. depending on the source code.
[21:20] <semistud2354>         Region 0: I/O ports at a000 [size=256]
[21:20] <semistud2354>         Region 1: Memory at c020a400 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256]
[21:20] <ignoramus> Need help with cd/dvd drive: whenever I insert a disc (in this case a data disc with .mp3s), its only recognized as a "Blank Disc", and when i click on the "cd" icon on the desktop, Konqueror gives the following error: "
[21:20] <ignoramus> Could not start process Unable to create io-slave:
[21:20] <ignoramus> klauncher said: Unknown protocol ''.
[21:20] <semistud2354>         Capabilities: <access denied>
[21:20] <semistud2354> srry
[21:20] <davubuntu> Can someone tell me if the gutsy version of kontact has notes available for kubuntu? And, if so, how can I get it available in ubuntu?
[21:20] <semistud2354> i wasnt sure how to show you my
[21:20] <semistud2354>  Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
[21:20] <semistud2354>         Latency: 64 (1750ns min, 1000ns max), Cache Line Size: 32 bytes
[21:20] <semistud2354>         Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 16
[21:21] <Deuce> installing stuff on linux is SOO HARD
[21:21] <semistud2354>         Region 0: Memory at c020a000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256]
[21:21] <semistud2354>         Region 1: Memory at c0209c00 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256]
[21:21] <semistud2354>         Region 2: Memory at c0209800 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256]
[21:21] <webvictim> anyone know how i change which volume control in the mixer kmilo will change?
[21:21] <semistud2354>         Capabilities: <access denied>
[21:21] <semistud2354> 06:06.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
[21:21] <Dr_willis_> Deuce,  thats why the apt-get system was worked out.. it makes it trivial
[21:21] <semistud2354>         Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Unknown device 30a4
[21:21] <davubuntu> deuce: bollocks
[21:21] <semistud2354>         Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
[21:21] <webvictim> dude, stop spamming ffs
[21:21] <semistud2354>         Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
[21:21] <Deuce> haha
[21:21] <Dr_willis_> Deuce,  go install somehting from SOURCE on windows.. good luck.. just go try it.
[21:21] <semistud2354>         Latency: 128 (8000ns min, 16000ns max)
[21:21] <Deuce> so how do u use
[21:21] <webvictim> !pastebin
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[21:21] <Deuce> i dont know how
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[21:21] <Dr_willis_> fire up the big icon that says 'add/remove' programs and start clickng. :)
[21:21] <Deuce> i just unzip it in windows
[21:21] <semistud2354>         Capabilities: <access denied>
[21:21] <Minataku> Heya, Dr_willis_
[21:22] <Deuce> some stuff i wnat isnt there
[21:22] <webvictim> or in other words, shut up.
[21:22] <Dr_willis_> Deuce,  go find a precompiled binary for linux then and unzip it then. :)
[21:22] <webvictim> \o/
[21:22] <webvictim> what d'you want, Deuce?
[21:22] <Minataku> Nekocon 10 is over [ :( ], so I'm back now
[21:22] <Dr_willis_> the iceweasle guys may have some deb packages  made up
[21:22] <Deuce> wtf
[21:22] <Deuce> what do u wnat im confused
[21:22] <vge> !wireless
[21:22] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[21:22] <Deuce> just HELP ME
[21:23] <Deuce> i know u have to do something wid konsol
[21:23] <Deuce> but ahhhhhh
[21:23] <Dr_willis_> Deuce,  install build-essential, read the install docs for whatever program yoyu want to compile from source.
[21:23] <Dr_willis_> you will proberly have to do a lot from the Konsole.
[21:23] <Deuce> man dis shit is gay
[21:23] <crimsun> (sorry for the noise)
[21:24] <Deuce> im out
[21:24] <webvictim> it's not, really
[21:24] <Deuce> im goina back to vista
[21:24] <pickles_> bye deuce
[21:24] <Deuce> bye
[21:24] <Dr_willis_> I feel no loss - sorry
[21:24] <ignoramus> Hi dr_willis :) Do you know how I can get Kubuntu to recognize data discs again?  I get the following error:
[21:24] <ignoramus> Could not start process Unable to create io-slave:
[21:24] <ignoramus> klauncher said: Unknown protocol ''.
[21:24] <webvictim> he was beyond help, anyway.
[21:24] <johauser> anybody did manage to get an ATI RAdeon 2600 to work under kubuntu?
[21:24] <Dr_willis_> ignoramus,  you mean blank cd's
[21:25] <johauser> tried to compil the driver but didn't worked :( and being newbie no other idea what to do...
[21:25] <ignoramus> dr_willis: these cds have data (mp3s) on them
[21:25] <Dr_willis_> ignoramus,  try mounting them manually?
[21:25] <ignoramus> dr_willis: how do i do that?
[21:25] <Dr_willis_> sudo mount /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom
[21:25] <ignoramus> dr_willis: i was able to use them before i upgraded...
[21:26] <ignoramus> dr_willis: k .lemme see...
[21:26] <Dr_willis_> and here i was - finding a premade iceweasle deb for the guy.. oh well... :)
[21:26] <Dr_willis_> Not that i see the Point in using Iceweasle...
[21:26] <ignoramus> dr_willis: "mount: you must specify the filesystem type"
[21:26] <Dr_willis_> sudo mount /dev/cdrom -t iso9660 /media/cdrom
[21:27] <ignoramus> dr_willis: "
[21:27] <ignoramus> wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc,
[21:27] <ignoramus>        missing codepage or helper program, or other error
[21:27] <ignoramus>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[21:27] <ignoramus>        dmesg | tail  or so
[21:27] <Dr_willis_> ignoramus,  and what does dmesg say? :)
[21:27] <Dr_willis_> theres no need to paste all the error mssages. :)
[21:28] <Dr_willis_> hdc is the cdrom drive?
[21:28] <webvictim> as far as i can tell, the only difference between iceweasel and firefox is a name and a logo.
[21:28] <eagles051387> !ghost
[21:28] <ubotu> On IRC, if you own a nick that is currently being used, you can make it quit by typing: /msg nickserv GHOST <username> <password>
[21:28] <Dr_willis_> webvictim,  EXACTLY!
[21:28] <ignoramus> dr_willis: it looks that way, but there about 40 lines of text- what should i be looking for?
[21:29] <Dr_willis_> ignoramus,  the last few lines should mention somthing about hdc.
[21:29] <eagles051387> crimsun: hey mmy usual nickname is locked how do i unlock it
[21:29] <crimsun> eagles051387: /msg nickserv help
[21:29] <ignoramus> dr_willis:
[21:29] <ignoramus> [  732.640000] hdc: cdrom_decode_status: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
[21:29] <ignoramus> [  732.640000] hdc: cdrom_decode_status: error=0x40 { LastFailedSense=0x04 }
[21:29] <grul_> the difference between iceweasel and firefox is that iceweasel is completely free (including the logos)
[21:30] <eagles051387> crimsun:
[21:30] <eagles051387> brb
[21:30] <eagles0513875> crimsun: back
[21:30] <eagles0513875> i cant find that plugin
[21:30] <eagles0513875> !sun-java6-plugin
[21:30] <ignoramus> dr_willis: it seems the discs are auto-mounting, they're just not being recognized as discs that contain data
[21:31] <crimsun> eagles0513875: did you add the deb line I gave you?
[21:31] <Dr_willis_> ignoramus,  yep. seems that way. try them in another pc?
[21:31] <Dr_willis_> ignoramus,  ive had some similer issues with some of my cd;s also lately
[21:31] <eagles0513875> no i didnt had to let my sis use the net for a second
[21:31] <ignoramus> dr_willis: they work fine in my windows box :/
[21:31] <Angelus> does linux have trouble mount playstation cdrom's ?
[21:32] <Dr_willis_> Im not even sure what filesystem PS1 disks use. :)
[21:32] <eagles0513875> crimsun: what was that line again if u dont mind
[21:32] <ignoramus> Dr_willis: can i uninstall/reinstall the optical drive?  That's a quick quick in windows...
[21:32] <Dr_willis_> i think they are somthing sort of special.
[21:32] <Angelus> i dunno
[21:32] <Angelus> windows reads them with no prob
[21:32] <biovore> Angelus: dose it work in windows?
[21:32] <crimsun> eagles0513875: you need this line in /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy multiverse
[21:32] <Dr_willis_> ignoramus,  theres nothing to uninstall/reinstall. :) the drivers are part of the ide sybsystem
[21:32] <Angelus> of course biovore
[21:32] <Angelus> even gentoo used to read them
[21:32] <Angelus> O_o
[21:32] <biovore> Angelus: then it should on linux.. iso9660 or UDF filesystem then..
[21:32] <Angelus> iso9660
[21:32] <Angelus> hmm
[21:32] <eagles0513875> crimsun: doesnt the source omatic code have it in it
[21:32] <Dr_willis_> ignoramus,  could try a linux live cd.  see if it can access the cddrive properly
[21:33] <Angelus> maybe they are too scratched?
[21:33] <eagles0513875> crimsun: cuz that is where i updated my sourcelist from
[21:33] <Dr_willis_> Thers just been a LOT of cdrom/disk/drive issues lately in this channel,.
[21:33] <crimsun> eagles0513875: no idea, I haven't used "source-o-matic"
[21:33] <ignoramus> dr_willis: lemme see...
[21:34] <eagles0513875> crimsun: its actually not
[21:34] <crimsun> eagles0513875: so add it, then update, then install that package, then restart FF
[21:34] <eagles0513875> ok
[21:34] <Angelus> Dr_willis_:  is it possible that the cd is too scrathced , and the playstation manages to read them because it has a very good laser?
[21:34] <Dr_willis_> Angelus,  no idea there. I havent messed with PS disks in ages.
[21:35] <Dr_willis_> i dident think PS disks WERE mountable  like a normal cdrom
[21:35] <ignoramus> dr_willis: i couldnt find my Feisty Live CD, but I have a data DVD, and that mounted/read perfectly. WTF?
[21:35] <eagles0513875> crimsun: with ath repo its not there
[21:35] <Dr_willis_> ignoramus,  so a disk made on the CD/dvd burner - does get read proplery from the cd/dvd drive that it was burnt with....
[21:35] <crimsun> eagles0513875: I gave you the precise syntax.
[21:36] <eagles0513875> sun-java6-plugin
[21:36] <ignoramus> dr_willis: tried that before- gnomebaker, k3b, etc all have  issues burning CDs - I dont' have any blannk DVDs to try right now
[21:37] <crimsun> eagles0513875: that's the name of the package
[21:37] <eagles0513875> its not finding it im even using adept to find it
[21:37] <crimsun> eagles0513875: that's because you have to add the line I gave you above
[21:37] <ignoramus> dr_willis: I have yet to successfully burn a cd in Kubuntu
[21:37] <eagles0513875> i did
[21:37] <crimsun> eagles0513875: and did you refresh/update?
[21:37] <eagles0513875> yep
[21:37] <Demiwar> help no sound
[21:37] <eagles0513875> sudo apt-get update
[21:37] <Angelus> Dr_willis_: they are.
[21:37] <Angelus> :p
[21:37] <paco_> hi there, I've got 2 quick questions: (1) does flash work out of the box on gutsy 64 bits ? and (2) does gutsy makes it possible to select the OS for next reboot ?
[21:37] <crimsun> eagles0513875: now, apt-cache policy sun-java6-plugin
[21:38] <Dr_willis_> ignoramus,  ive burnt dozens on one box.. and on this obher box i got issues. Im thinking theres some very very badly made CD/DVD burners out there. :()
[21:38] <Angelus> Dr_willis_: if you didn't know , sony uses linux to make movies, so i bet it uses it to make games too
[21:38] <eagles0513875> still no candidate
[21:38] <Dr_willis_> Angelus,  sony dosent make the games normally. :) they get a cut of the profit from the Developers. Heh.
[21:38] <Dr_willis_> Sony also is good at putting spyware on its cd's :)
[21:38] <Demiwar> no sound bot help
[21:38] <ignoramus> dr_willis: i'm willing to bet there are , but when i ran windows on this Vaio, i *never* had an issue burnign or reading discs
[21:39] <szakulec> if worst comes to worse, you could always use something ISOBuster in wine to read the PS disc
[21:39] <szakulec> I was able to see my Tekken 3 disc with all the tracks that way
[21:39] <Dr_willis_> ignoramus,  im also thinking theres some issues going on wth the changes made to the ide subsystems. as many issues  as ive seen in here with drives this past month
[21:39] <Angelus> Dr_willis_:  yeah but is uses linux for movies
[21:39] <Angelus> :p
[21:39] <Dr_willis_> Angelus,  shouldent the movies be GPL then? :)
[21:40] <eagles0513875> crimsun: thanks for ur help im goign to head to bed
[21:40] <ignoramus> Dr_willis: thans for your help- i'm off to google some  moree:)
[21:40] <Angelus> Dr_willis_: well , they use linux to make them , but they make profit from them
[21:40] <Angelus> lol
[21:41] <eagles0513875> crimsun: im downloading the bin from java website
[21:41] <eagles0513875> how do i install the bin
[21:42] <szakulec> I'm trying to compile xine from source and it's telling me configure: error: XShm extension is required
[21:42] <Dr_willis_> im amazed at all the odd issues that peoploe have in here and weird things they want to do. ;)
[21:43] <szakulec> I've installed libxcb-shm0 and the -dev package, but it still gives me the message
[21:43] <eagles0513875> can someone help me get the jre bin installed
[21:43] <biovore> sun java 6 ?
[21:43] <biovore> sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre
[21:44] <Dr_willis_> chmod +x whatever.bin
[21:44] <Dr_willis_> ./whatever.bin
[21:44] <Dr_willis_> of coruse WHY you are having so much issues getting java installed.. i have no idea. :)
[21:44] <eagles0513875> Dr_willis_: its firefox
[21:44] <eagles0513875> i need the plug in for firefox
[21:44] <Dr_willis_> eagles0513875,  im thinking you got a firefox config Issue.. not a java install issue
[21:44] <eagles0513875> Dr_willis_: what i do uninstall firefox reinstall it
[21:45] <Dr_willis_> eagles0513875,  you are thinking in WINDOWS terms again. :)
[21:45] <eagles0513875> lol
[21:45] <Dr_willis_> Unintalling firefox will NOT NOT NOT. remove the USERS firefox configs
[21:45] <Dr_willis_> removing their .mozilla/firefox dir WILL. :)
[21:45] <eagles0513875> Dr_willis_: rm -rf .firefox
[21:45] <Dr_willis_> also could try making a new user and see if it affects them
[21:45] <eagles0513875> could do that too but how
[21:45] <eagles0513875> wait nm
[21:45] <eagles0513875> ill work on that tomorrow
[21:46] <eagles0513875> night guys
[21:50] <Myrth[home]> hi, what means "HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device"?
[21:50] <crimsun> nosrednaekim: did you need something a few days ago?
[21:52] <nosrednaekim> crimsun: yeah... some guy had his sound go out after configuring a qemu virtual sound card...
[21:52] <nosrednaekim> but he ended up reinstallng
[21:52] <crimsun> mmkay.
[21:52] <crimsun> way overkill
[21:52] <Dr_willis_> thats windows training kicking in.
[21:53] <nosrednaekim> thought that maybe you could help him ... bu I think everything is OK
[21:53] <nosrednaekim> what was...
[21:53] <crimsun> (reinstalling is overkill)
[21:53] <nosrednaekim> Dr_willis_: yeah.. but he had a teleconference the next morning
[21:54] <MementoMori> does anyone have a wb-1400T trust webcam?
[21:54] <Briareos1> how can i print with the correct resolution?
[21:55] <Dr_willis_> what res is the correct one? :)
[21:55] <Briareos1> i need to have exact measurements on a printout, but cannot get it right, because printing from gimp does not work correctly and the other apps don't get it
[21:55] <Briareos1> gg
[21:55] <Briareos1> well i have set in gimp that 200px match 5 centimeters
[21:56] <Briareos1> thats what i want :)
[21:56] <Dr_willis_> Heck in 20+ years i can only rember one way i could print 'exact' distances with a printer. :)
[21:56] <Dr_willis_> and that was with my AMIGA  and a 9 pin printer
[21:56] <Briareos1> hehe
[21:57] <Briareos1> printing is not fashionable anymore ^^
[21:57] <Briareos1> i just generated an 6,1 gb image by setting the corresponding 600dpi size trying to workaround so that i can print using gwenview ^^
[22:02] <PHIxxx> hi all
[22:03] <Briareos1> is my question that hard to answer? :)
[22:03] <Briareos1> or do i have to boot M$ to be able to print correctly :)
[22:04] <Dr_willis_> Briareos1,  i cant even get things to print to scale with Autocad :)
[22:04] <Dr_willis_> Briareos1,  and thats under windows.
[22:04] <Dr_willis_> with a program designed for proper printing. :)
[22:04] <sven_>  \join kde
[22:05] <sven_>  /join kde
[22:05] <Briareos1> puh ...
[22:06] <Briareos1> the evil is: i know how to do, but gimp won't let me ^^
[22:06] <Dr_willis_>  Or course all the autocad drawings i print - have a big "DO Not Scale from Drawing" on them. :)
[22:06] <Briareos1> :)
[22:08] <robert__> what is the protocol to ask a question?
[22:08] <aapzak> should at least end with a questionmark
[22:08] <robert__> :) thanks aapzak.
[22:09] <aapzak> got one myself: how do I disable compiz by default in kubuntu?
[22:09] <robert__> my question is what is the right place to start for troubleshooting soundcard problems?
[22:09] <crimsun> start by describing your issue.
[22:09] <Ellipsys> Afternoon again everyone.
[22:09] <aapzak> and knowing vendor and type of soundcard
[22:10] <robert__> I've got the PCI code for it.
[22:10] <posingaspopular> aapzak: it's not enabled by default
[22:10] <posingaspopular> !compiz
[22:10] <Dr_willis_> how did you enable compiz?
[22:10] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[22:11] <posingaspopular> unless you did a custom iso that enables it on default... in which case there would be a ton of people out there who would love you
[22:11] <aapzak> so if I uninstall the kde-compiz stuff I should be allright ..
[22:11] <webvictim> aapzak: it's not turned on by default, so if it's starting with KDE, there's probably something in ~/.kde/Autostart that's doing it
[22:11] <Ellipsys> Anyone running with a successful ATI fglrx 8.42.3 install, that has non-fubar'ed  OpenGL ?
[22:11] <aapzak> probably in my sessions then
[22:11] <webvictim> posingaspopular: it's hardly difficult to turn it on ;P
[22:13] <robert__> Is there an authoritative source to say if Audio device [0403]: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia [1002:4383] is supported?
[22:14] <nosrednaekim> !hardware
[22:14] <ubotu> For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[22:14] <nosrednaekim> Ellipsys: yup :)
[22:14] <nosrednaekim> Ellipsys: install it directly from the .run
[22:14] <crimsun> robert__: it is supported.
[22:14] <crimsun> crimsun@Box.pts/4.~/bugs/audio/hg/alsa-kernel/pci/hda.[0].% grep -nH 4383 *
[22:14] <crimsun> hda_intel.c:1940:       { 0x1002, 0x4383, PCI_ANY_ID, PCI_ANY_ID, 0, 0, AZX_DRIVER_ATI }, /* ATI SB600 */
[22:15] <Ellipsys> nosrednaekim: Really? So the version on the repos is bad somehow, but the .run is fine?
[22:15] <jeanmass_> hello
[22:15] <rysiek|pl> guys, where can I get the SMS plug-in for Kopete? I can't find it in the repos. I am still feisty-fawining ;)
[22:15] <nosrednaekim> Ellipsys:  there is a 8.42 in the repositories?
[22:15] <Ellipsys> nosrednaekim: There is. 8.43.3
[22:15] <crimsun> robert__: note that it's entirely possible that you need a quirk; I'd need the subvendor and subdevice IDs.
[22:16] <robert__> I don't understand your second post crimsun.
[22:16] <jeanmass_> i have 2 vista entries in grub
[22:16] <Ellipsys> nosrednaekim:  Er... 8.42.3
[22:16] <jeanmass_> 1 works, the other one takes me to a big ERROR on a blue screen
[22:16] <aapzak> k, sry people. Appearantly compiz ended up in my session. Got rid of it quiet easily
[22:16] <crimsun> robert__: you asked for an authoritative source to say if that vendor and device ID are supported.  I gave you the precise line number in the actual source file that answers, 'yes'.
[22:16] <nosrednaekim> Ellipsys: I only see one(8.34)... what extra repository do you have?
[22:17] <robert__> D'Oh! okay. I get it now.
[22:17] <robert__> thanks crimsun.
[22:17] <crimsun> np
[22:17] <Ellipsys> nosrednaekim: Just says "restricted" is where the package is
[22:18] <nosrednaekim> humm
[22:19] <BonesolTeraDyne> Ok, I've got a major problem. I ended up having to reinstall everything after a major crash. The problem is, the mouse on my Wacom Graphire4 is not working. The Stylus is fine, but no mouse.
[22:19] <Ellipsys> nosrednaekim: Unless it came in Medibuntu somehow, but it would be labled that way right?
[22:19] <nosrednaekim> IDK
[22:19] <nosrednaekim> it may have..
[22:19] <Ellipsys> nosrednaekim: Medibuntu, WineHQ, and the officials are the only ones I have
[22:19] <nosrednaekim> you can check where its from with apt-cache policy
[22:19] <Dr_willis_> wow - the first person ive seen in here that actually USES a wacom tablet. :)
[22:19] <BonesolTeraDyne> Dr_willis_: I use it for art.
[22:20] <jeanmass_> why do i have 2?
[22:20] <nosrednaekim> Ellipsys: and unfortunately... my mom is kicking me off the computer so I can'thelp you :(
[22:20] <BonesolTeraDyne> Dr_willis_: Gimp seems work better with it, too.
[22:20] <Ellipsys> nosrednaekim: No problem. I'll see what I can find out.
[22:20] <Ellipsys> nosrednaekim: Hope your mom lets you back on soon :D
[22:20] <nosrednaekim> :D
[22:21] <jeanmass_> why do i have 2 vista entries in grub?
[22:23] <Dr_willis_> jeanmass_,  check your hard drive/system - most likely yiou have 2 'windows' partitions or drives.
[22:24] <Dr_willis_> Many companies have a 'restore' partition these days on their machines.
[22:24] <jeanmass_> i've 1 vista partition and a recovery one
[22:24] <jeanmass_> maybe the 2nd one is the recovery
[22:24] <Dr_willis_> Yep. thats proberly right.
[22:24] <Dr_willis_> on my silly machine the FIRST partition is the recovery one. :)
[22:25] <jeanmass_> do you reckon the second vista entry in grub is for the recovery partition?
[22:25] <Dr_willis_> try one, try the other. :) see which one works
[22:25] <Dr_willis_> rename them in the menu.lst file
[22:25] <aapzak> you guys use the KDE translucency and stuff? I'm a sucker for shadows under windows :)
[22:26] <jeanmass_> Dr_willis_: should i delete it or rename it?
[22:26] <nonewmsgs> anyone else have trouble uploading pictures to ebay?  i tried ff and opera and ended up having to do it in windows
[22:27] <jeanmass_> because when i load the 2nd partition, it starts like windows is loading, and it ends with a big ERROR in blue
[22:28] <jeanmass_> plus i am never going to boot from a recovery partition
[22:28] <jeanmass_> Dr_willis_: is OK to erase it?
[22:34] <RogueJediX> How's that Kopete/MSN fix coming along?
[22:34] <Aresilek> How do i stop the trackpad scroll thingies from working?
[22:35] <draik> Is there an app to convert OGG to MP3? I have many CDs that I have ripped with k3b and I didn't notice I was doing them in OGG instead of MP3. I wouldn't mind if only my MP3 player would read OGG
[22:35] <nonewmsgs> xfca does draik
[22:36] <juan> if i told knetworkmanager to save my passwords in plain text, how do i find the password
[22:36] <draik> xfca?
[22:36] <RogueJediX> apt gets me soundkonverter
[22:36] <nonewmsgs> ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-455963.html
[22:37] <nonewmsgs> http://bulin.claude.neuf.fr/xcfa-download.html
[22:38] <Dr_willis_> jeanmass_,  could just comment it out with the #  symbol
[22:39] <jeanmass_> Dr_willis_: yes, there is no point in loading from recovery partition
[22:39] <MementoMori> juan: try in .kde/share/config/knetworkmanagerrc
[22:40] <clau85> hello. i have an "interesting" question: i have a dell inspiron 1501 and am using kubuntu, of course. now, not everything works (like screen brightness, suspend...) but i'm quite pleased with it
[22:40] <jeanmass_> Dr_willis_: the 5 lines? title, root, savedefault, makeactive, chainloader?
[22:40] <Dr_willis_> Yep
[22:41] <clau85> the interesting matter is that those running ubuntu on the same laptop (same version, feisty), have no such problems
[22:41] <Dr_willis_> each menu entry is defined by a 'paragraph' of lines. :)
[22:41] <clau85> question: why is this huge difference? it should not be there
[22:41] <clau85> second: is it then better to install ubuntu then KDE on top of it?
[22:42] <zach_> what channel should i go to ask about hardware?
[22:42] <Dr_willis_> clau85,  i though Dell was supposed to come out with a ubuntu-variant thats tweaked for their lapttops
[22:42] <zach_> #hardware
[22:42] <zach_> ?
[22:42] <Dr_willis_> clau85,  install ubuntu, then intall kubuntu-desktop is what i normally do.
[22:42] <zach_> looks good ;p
[22:42] <Dr_willis_> clau85,  the other way - would work. proberly will see no diffeances other then perhaps artwork.
[22:43] <clau85> yea, but that actually sucks :)
[22:43] <clau85> i mean, why is there kubuntu in the first place? :)
[22:43] <clau85> i mean, don't get me wrong, i love it, but this is quite a... problem
[22:43] <Dr_willis_> do it eitgher way.. why is there a ubuntu... :)
[22:43] <Dr_willis_> i see no problem either way.
[22:43] <juan> thx MementoMori
[22:44] <Dr_willis_> I installed Mythbuntu on this box. Then installed Ubuntu-desktop and Kubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-desktop
[22:44] <clau85> ok, thanks ;)
[22:48] <goingtomoonbrb> Would you all say that kubuntu's hardware support for laptop is as good as ubuntus?
[22:48] <Dr_willis_> goingtomoonbrb,  it 'should' be identical
[22:48] <goingtomoonbrb> laptops*
[22:48] <nonewmsgs> yeah the underlying stuff is the same
[22:48] <goingtomoonbrb> All that's different is the wm?
[22:48] <goingtomoonbrb> Okay.
[22:48] <Dr_willis_> aince the hardware support is at a lower 'layer' of the os
[22:48] <Dr_willis_> :)
[22:48] <nonewmsgs> and the default programs
[22:48] <goingtomoonbrb> Thanks.
[22:49] <Dr_willis_> (k)Ubuntu has the best laptop support ive seen in a distro so far. :)
[22:49] <jeanmass_> i've just installed latest kubuntu on a new asus f3sa
[22:49] <jeanmass_> and i have no sound
[22:50] <Dr_willis_> Thats the problem with 'brand new' stuff.  it may have a audio chipset thats so new - there may not be any linxu support for it yet. :(
[22:50] <jeanmass_> Dr_willis_: it worked on livecd just before installing kubuntu
[22:50] <Dr_willis_> jeanmass_,  thats a good sign then. :)
[22:51] <jeanmass_> but nothing since installation
[22:51] <Dr_willis_> You sure the mixers are just not set to a low volume/muted?
[22:51] <jeanmass_> and since install it doesnot even work on livecd
[22:51] <jeanmass_> i've checked 100 times the volume
[22:52] <Dr_willis_> jeanmass_,  thats very very odd...
[22:52] <Dr_willis_> are you dualbooting this?
[22:53] <jeanmass_> whats the command to reset alsa settings?
[22:53] <goingtomoonbrb> I'm planning on dual booting, and I was wondering if (k)ubuntu can mart NTFS partitions.
[22:53] <Dry_Ice> heres a n00b question for you: how do i boot up to linux?
[22:53] <Dr_willis_> goingtomoonbrb,  linux has read/write support for ntfs now with the ntfs-3g drivers
[22:53] <Dr_willis_> Dry_Ice,  when you power up after inatll you should see th grub menu. that lets you pick what os to boot
[22:54] <Dry_Ice> ?
[22:54] <Dr_willis_> ??
[22:54] <Dry_Ice> i'm booting up an intel mac
[22:54] <Dr_willis_> 'You power up' 'You see menu' 'you select linux' :)
[22:54] <Dry_Ice> nope...
[22:54] <Dr_willis_> No idea on macs. i think they need to use LILO instead of grub.
[22:54] <Dry_Ice> i can't boot up to sys...
[22:54] <Dry_Ice> g2g
[22:55] <Dry_Ice> i'll ask later
[22:55] <goingtomoonbrb> Hmm... ##windows is telling me that I'm going to kill my Vista partition if I try to split it :P
[22:55] <goingtomoonbrb> Oh well'
[22:55] <Dr_willis_> goingtomoonbrb,  ive resized befor with no hassles. :)
[22:55] <Dr_willis_> goingtomoonbrb,  depends on the exact layout.
[22:56] <ubuntu_> <
[22:57] <draik> !compiz
[22:57] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[23:02] <profoX`> is something wrong with Kopete in 7.10?
[23:03] <profoX`> can't seem to connect to anything
[23:05] <vzduch> do you have a firewall running?
[23:05] <DevideZero> when sending files in icq will be avilable in kopete ?
[23:06] <diomac>  just use gaim its better any way
[23:06] <Dr_willis_> kopete can do multi clients. Not sure how well it does ICQ stuff. but in thory it should work.
[23:06] <Dr_willis_> I also hear gaim is better. :)
[23:06] <MementoMori> profoX`: you have to enable proposed update
[23:06] <DevideZero> isnt . . . and there is pidgin gaim gone . . .
[23:07] <Dr_willis_> irc is the ultimate. :)
[23:07] <Tm_T> !away > Tudor_sleep
[23:07] <MementoMori> profoX`: there are issues with ssl or so
[23:07] <profoX`> MementoMori: ah so it is a known bug.. how did that one slip by?
[23:08] <MementoMori> profoX`: the bug came out in the final release. Until latest rc everything was ok
[23:08] <profoX`> how annoying :)
[23:09] <profoX`> MementoMori: thanks for the answer though
[23:09] <MementoMori> profoX`: do a full update enabling proposed repository
[23:10] <MementoMori> I think proposed updates  are a bit more secure than unsupported ones, am I wrong?
[23:10] <profoX`> MementoMori: sure. I hope it gets merged as a normal update soon.. I can imagine a lot of frustration of some people though
[23:10] <profoX`> s/though/otherwise
[23:11] <MementoMori> profoX`: I dont remember its bug number, let me do a quick search
[23:11] <profoX`> MementoMori: its okay
[23:12] <profoX`> MementoMori: if I'm really worried I'll go look for it myself.. for now I'll just enable gutsy-proposed for myself
[23:14] <nonewmsgs> the correct order to clean reinstall an app is to delete the  ~/.appfolder and then remove it via synaptic and then reinstall it, right?
[23:15] <rysiek|pl> guys, what do I need for Kopete have spellchecker running?
[23:15] <profoX`> nonewmsgs: I think a purge does that for you too
[23:15] <vzduch> nonewmsgs: sudo apt-get remove --purge <appName>, delete what's left of it, if any, then reinstall
[23:16] <profoX`> i think it's called "complete removal" in synaptic
[23:16] <nonewmsgs> sweet thanks guys
[23:16] <[ifr0g]> ryanakca, Settings > configure plugings
[23:17] <[ifr0g]> opps sorry..
[23:17] <MementoMori> profoX`: cant find it
[23:17] <profoX`> MementoMori: like i said, it's okay :)
[23:18] <[ifr0g]> its in settings > configure > behaviour > Select enable auto spell check..
[23:20] <rysiek|pl> [ifr0g]: meh. had to disable the "formatted text" option
[23:20] <rysiek|pl> [ifr0g]: that should be mentioned in the docs somewhere...
[23:20] <[ifr0g]> oh. ok
[23:22] <winterelf> hi... i have some problam doing this in the konsole "apt get-install <package>" it says i need sun-java6-jdk...
[23:22] <winterelf> how can i make it work?
[23:22] <winterelf> i tried from the package mannager but it says error
[23:26] <MementoMori> winterelf: can you give more details?
[23:26] <winterelf> yes
[23:27] <winterelf> from some reason i can't install anything in the konsole.. it say The program 'apt' can be found in the following packages:
[23:27] <MementoMori> winterelf: lol
[23:27] <winterelf> sun-java6-jdk
[23:27] <winterelf> mmm?
[23:28] <MementoMori> winterelf: the program is apt-get  without blanks
[23:28] <winterelf> what do u mean?
[23:28] <MementoMori> so the command is:
[23:28] <MementoMori> sudo apt-get install <package>
[23:28] <MementoMori> or better:
[23:28] <MementoMori> sudo aptitude install
[23:29] <MementoMori> sudo aptitude install <package>
[23:29] <winterelf> ho
[23:29] <winterelf> ok
[23:29] <winterelf> but
[23:29] <winterelf> now it gives me another error
[23:29] <winterelf> ,,,
[23:29] <MementoMori> tell me more
[23:29] <winterelf> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct
[23:30] <NickPresta> winterelf, run that
[23:30] <winterelf> lol
[23:30] <MementoMori> ok.. simply run:
[23:30] <MementoMori> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[23:30] <Nyle> MementoMori: are you named after the Doom 2 Megawad?
[23:30] <BluesKaj> !adeptfix | winterelf
[23:30] <ubotu> winterelf: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[23:30] <MementoMori> Nyle: yes and not ;) but I liked it veru much
[23:30] <winterelf> what i would do without u guys
[23:30] <winterelf> :)
[23:31] <Nyle> MementoMori: do you know about Doomsday
[23:31] <MementoMori> no I dont
[23:31] <winterelf> w9
[23:31] <winterelf> now...
[23:32] <Nyle> MementoMori: checkit out
[23:32] <winterelf> E: Invalid operation insatll
[23:32] <MementoMori> Nyle: is a free wad?
[23:32] <Nyle> www.doomsdayhq.com/
[23:32] <Nyle> no
[23:33] <MementoMori> Nyle: is an engine'
[23:33] <MementoMori> ?
[23:33] <Nyle> 3d engine with 3d models
[23:33] <Nyle> mouselook + asdw movement
[23:33] <MementoMori> Nyle: I was using prboom
[23:33] <Nyle> if you like doom classic, you will love this
[23:34] <Nyle> in its pacakged for ubuntu too
[23:34] <MementoMori> is Doomsday a better engine?
[23:34] <MementoMori> mmmm
[23:34] <Nyle> come to #doomsday
[23:34] <MementoMori> good news
[23:34] <Nyle> MementoMori: look at the screenshots
[23:34] <Nyle> its insanely awesome
[23:36] <BluesKaj> Nyle, are you here to help, ask a question or promote doomsday ?
[23:37] <Nyle> like two minutes after the small conversation ended, you come out with that statement?  other than trying to instigate something, I can't think of any other motive.  Thank you, bye.
[23:37] <BluesKaj> if you are here to promot e a game , pls leave
[23:37] <Nyle> w/e
[23:38] <winterelf> ok... i have another problam now... when i write udo apt-get insatll bitchx it gives back E: Invalid operation insatll
[23:38] <winterelf> what can i do?
[23:38] <Nyle> type install instead of insatll
[23:38] <Nyle> :)
[23:38] <BluesKaj> and sudo
[23:38] <dani> hola
[23:38] <winterelf> lol
[23:39] <NickPresta> !es | dani
[23:39] <ubotu> dani: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[23:39] <winterelf> thanks for my dumy q
[23:39] <winterelf> last question....
[23:40] <winterelf> what does that mean (after i install): warning: /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc does not exist or is not a directory
[23:43] <winterelf> god
[23:43] <winterelf> there is a problam..
[23:43] <winterelf> what's wrong with sudo
[23:44] <sam1337> Does ubuntu gutsy have a graphical way to input an encrypted lvm hdd password?
[23:47] <vzduch> winterelf: ?
[23:47] <winterelf> yes
[23:47] <MementoMori> winterelf: what's your prob now?
[23:47] <winterelf> i don't understant why i can't make downloads
[23:48] <winterelf> with apt under kubuntu or with the konsole
[23:48] <MementoMori> !paste
[23:48] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[23:48] <vzduch> error msg please
[23:48] <MementoMori> winterelf: paste your last konsole session here http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[23:49] <_Angelus_> is there a p2p program for kde?
[23:49] <MementoMori> sam1337: if you can access the data manually you can create a script
[23:49] <MementoMori> _Angelus_: I know amule, azureus and limeware
[23:50] <MementoMori> the latter is closed source
[23:50] <vzduch> MementoMori: then take frostwire
[23:50] <t00lzf0nt> ktorrent
[23:51] <_Angelus_> i want a qt/guie one
[23:51] <_Angelus_> *qt/kde
[23:51] <MementoMori> vzduch: is quite different... for example frostwire hasnt italian translation
[23:51] <MementoMori> _Angelus_: why this constrain?
[23:51] <vzduch> MementoMori: last time I checked it didn't have a German translation either
[23:52] <Dr_willis> make one! :)
[23:52] <Dr_willis> Give back to the Commity!
[23:52] <MementoMori> vzduch: so many people will dislike it
[23:52] <MementoMori> Dr_willis: you are right
[23:52] <_Angelus_> Dr_willis: im not a programmer/coder
[23:53] <_Angelus_> well i wish to learn , but i didn't learn yet
[23:53] <vzduch> _Angelus_: you don't need to be for translating stuff
[23:53] <Dr_willis> with many programs these days - its just a matter of translating several files/text docs I belive
[23:53] <vzduch> you could send the translations to the programmer
[23:53] <MementoMori> _Angelus_: communty needs not only coders
[23:53] <Dr_willis> We need icon makers! :)
[23:53] <_Angelus_> and how am i gonna translate a GTK program to QT
[23:53] <_Angelus_> O_O
[23:53]  * vzduch is not a graphics artist :(
[23:53] <|dthacker|> Where can I tell kmail that I want firefox to open when I click on a link?
[23:54] <Dr_willis> You translate the language files normally.
[23:54] <_Angelus_> something which i don't have an ideo on how to do
[23:54] <Dr_willis> just give up then... go take up golf. ;)
[23:54] <MementoMori> _Angelus_: why you should port a working gtk program to qt/kde
[23:54] <MementoMori> ?
[23:54] <ChaosMachine> How do I stop compiz-fusion?
[23:54] <_Angelus_> MementoMori: i dind't ask to port, i asked if a qt/kde program existed to download p2p
[23:54] <_Angelus_> :p
[23:55] <vzduch> _Angelus_: what network/method?
[23:55] <_Angelus_> ChaosMachine: if you're using kubuntu/kde, then ALT+F2 and type kwin --replace , and press enter.
[23:55] <MementoMori> _Angelus_: which network do you prefer?
[23:55] <_Angelus_> anything
[23:55] <_Angelus_> the important is that i can download things and its qt/kde
[23:55] <SMonk> I'm looking for help with Grub
[23:55] <vzduch> well, there is KTorrent
[23:55] <_Angelus_> :p
[23:55] <MementoMori> so ktorrent is the first I can remenber
[23:55] <_Angelus_> no not the torrent
[23:55] <_Angelus_> i want something like
[23:55] <MementoMori> [00:55] <_Angelus_> anything
[23:55] <_Angelus_> frostwire/limewire/ares/amule
[23:55] <MementoMori> so use amule
[23:56] <_Angelus_> amule is gtk
[23:56] <vzduch> valknut was revived
[23:56] <_Angelus_> no?
[23:56] <_Angelus_> :p
[23:56] <MementoMori> no amule should be qt/kde
[23:56] <MementoMori> let me check
[23:56] <vzduch> _Angelus_: what the heck.. I use gtk-gnutella in a KDE environment
[23:57] <vzduch> my preferred audio player (Audacious) is Gtk
[23:57] <MementoMori> _Angelus_: you are right. amule doesnt use qt
[23:57] <_Angelus_> see :p
[23:57] <_Angelus_> i don't thing something on kde exist yet :(
[23:57] <nonewmsgs> what's the big deal with enlightenment
[23:58] <|dthacker|> nonewmsgs: some people think its cool.
[23:58] <_Angelus_> nonewmsgs: gui addicted
[23:58] <_Angelus_> i like colourz O_O
[23:58] <winterelf> i fixed the problam :)
[23:58] <nonewmsgs> ill stick to regular kde with compiz
[23:58] <_Angelus_> one of the many reasons i chose linux for, KDE and Compiz-fusion
[23:59] <|dthacker|> Where can I change the program opened when I click a URL in kmail?