| * assasukasse is away: Im leaving, query me. | 00:19 | |
| m1ke | What is your opinion towards Sabayon ? | 00:19 |
|---|---|---|
| hydrogen | horrible. | 00:37 |
| compwiz18 | did anyone else's X stuff get borked with that last update? | 03:54 |
| Hobbsee | compwiz18: the silly people who shouldnt be running hardy are in that corner. please join them. | 04:18 |
| * Hobbsee points | 04:18 | |
| bazhang | haha | 04:18 |
| compwiz18 | I know, it's on the test laptop | 04:24 |
| compwiz18 | and of course, since the topic says "Don't run hardy, it probably doesn't work" naturally, I had to install it. | 04:25 |
| bazhang | :} | 04:25 |
| nrp | heh, when an update tells you its about to remove xserver-xorg and everything related to it, its usually not a good idea to choose Y | 04:36 |
| compwiz18 | true | 04:39 |
| compwiz18 | I remember reading that and wondering why they were removing all the xorg stuff | 04:40 |
| compwiz18 | it still starts, but I think xorg.conf got screwed up | 04:41 |
| Hobbsee | compwiz18: of course, yes. | 04:57 |
| * Hobbsee is asking for a bump of the xserver packages, so that X is fully installable again | 04:57 | |
| Hobbsee | [14:52] <Keybuk> breaking hardy is to be expected ;) | 04:58 |
| Hobbsee | [14:52] --> DShepherd has joined this channel (n=dwight@72.252.133.113). | 04:58 |
| Hobbsee | [14:52] <Hobbsee> Keybuk: well, of course :) | 04:58 |
| Hobbsee | [14:52] <Keybuk> if you're running hardy now, you're crazy | 04:58 |
| Hobbsee | perhaps that should go in the topic | 04:59 |
| compwiz18 | heh | 05:01 |
| compwiz18 | I'm crazy then xD | 05:02 |
| hydrogen | okay.. | 05:02 |
| hydrogen | its not really worth bragging about | 05:02 |
| Hobbsee | right. priority bumped. waiting time. | 05:04 |
| shirish | hi all, can somebody tell me http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3690461&postcount=7 | 05:23 |
| shirish | quote from the post "ou go trough apt-get update and download packages but don't upgrade then you go to the update-manager and it downloads more 13 packages that apt-get didn't considered so it is better use update-manager cause they are not synchronized yet." | 05:24 |
| Hobbsee | shirish: the guy's on crack. | 05:25 |
| Hobbsee | shirish: it's held back packages - apt will let youf orce them, update-manager wont. | 05:25 |
| Hobbsee | he's just too much of a git to realise, and should nto be running gutsy | 05:26 |
| shirish | Hobbsee: ok cool | 05:26 |
| Hobbsee | er, hardy. | 05:27 |
| shirish | Hobbsee: This is the way I'm seeing apt-get dist-upgrade is showing me, http://pastebin.ca/760667 | 05:29 |
| shirish | I can see that xserver-xorg all stuff will not be there. line 7 onwards, | 05:29 |
| shirish | Hobbsee: any comments or suggestions would be welcome. | 05:30 |
| Hobbsee | shirish: only that you shouldnt upgrade if you cant do it cleanly, and if you dont know what your'e doing. | 05:30 |
| shirish | that I have never known :) | 05:31 |
| Hobbsee | if you wait a fe wmore hours, it should all be installable again | 05:32 |
| Hobbsee | and.. | 05:32 |
| Hobbsee | <Keybuk> breaking hardy is to be expected ;) | 05:32 |
| Hobbsee | <Keybuk> if you're running hardy now, you're crazy | 05:32 |
| === Hobbsee changed the topic of #ubuntu+1 to: Welcome to #ubuntu+1 "Home of the Hardy Heron" | This channel is for Hardy discussion only | If you need help with dapper/edgy/feisty/gutsy join #ubuntu | Release schedule not final yet | Don't run hardy, it probably doesn't work -- this is definitely pre-alpha | <Keybuk> breaking hardy is to be expected ;) if you're running hardy now, you're crazy | ||
| shirish | Hobbsee: thanx but then i was born crazy ;) | 05:33 |
| shirish | Hobbsee: till l8ter, thanx for guiding me :) | 05:33 |
| bazhang | great new topic | 05:42 |
| Laser88 | Moin! | 05:59 |
| se7en^Of^9 | is someone already running hardy? | 08:49 |
| rsk | most likely | 08:49 |
| Hobbsee | yeah | 08:49 |
| se7en^Of^9 | any problems? | 08:50 |
| Hobbsee | dude. if you have to ask.... | 08:50 |
| Hobbsee | some, yes. | 08:50 |
| se7en^Of^9 | ok thanks i give it a try | 08:51 |
| Hobbsee | then you should not run hardy. | 08:51 |
| Hobbsee | X is partially broken. | 08:51 |
| se7en^Of^9 | i can live with that | 08:52 |
| Hobbsee | strange. | 08:53 |
| Hobbsee | okay then. | 08:53 |
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| * Hobbsee figures "what the hell", and says yes to the upgrade | 08:57 | |
| bazhang | haha | 08:57 |
| bazhang | love the new topic Hobbsee | 08:57 |
| Hobbsee | oh, sigh | 09:01 |
| Hobbsee | okay, i *didnt* want to do this. | 09:04 |
| bazhang | upgrade? | 09:04 |
| Hobbsee | no, go thru the x transition in the middle. | 09:05 |
| bazhang | oh. sorry. | 09:05 |
| Hobbsee | Resolving dependencies... | 09:06 |
| Hobbsee | Unable to resolve dependencies! Giving up... | 09:06 |
| Hobbsee | Abort. | 09:06 |
| Hobbsee | haha :) | 09:06 |
| bazhang | well you'll be the one to go to in a month or so..thanks for the sacrifices you are making now | 09:07 |
| Hobbsee | i thought with evertyhing built, it might just work | 09:13 |
| bazhang | I was going to say go-to guy, but nixternal set me straight.. :} | 09:13 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 09:16 |
| bazhang | :} | 09:17 |
| * Hobbsee waits for these debs to transfer over. | 09:17 | |
| * Hobbsee ponders downloading a gutsy final ISO, just in case. | 09:21 | |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: this stuff really does break :P | 09:21 |
| Fujitsu | Hobbsee: I decided to try to resolve it this morning, but managed to break it, but was able to revert by manually reinstalling the old bits and pieces. | 09:23 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: that's what i'm about to ry | 09:23 |
| Hobbsee | *try | 09:23 |
| Hobbsee | trouble is, i deleted my aptcache too :) | 09:24 |
| Fujitsu | Mine wasn't in the apt-cache, so I just downloaded the stuff from LP. | 09:24 |
| Hobbsee | oh, need old xserver-xorg too | 09:26 |
| * Hobbsee scp's that too | 09:26 | |
| Fujitsu | xserver-xorg, xserver-xorg-core, xserver-xorg-video-intel, xserver-xorg-input-whateveryouuse. | 09:26 |
| Hobbsee | yup | 09:27 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: erm? how am i supposed to get xserver-xorg, when it's the same version in gutsy and hardy, according to LP? | 09:30 |
| Hobbsee | oh, i see | 09:31 |
| level1 | Hobbsee: did you just try to upgrade to hardy? | 09:34 |
| Hobbsee | level1: no | 09:34 |
| Hobbsee | i went thru the X breakage, to see if it was actually fixed. | 09:34 |
| level1 | I wondering if its a stable enough state that I want to get it | 09:34 |
| level1 | oh, I see | 09:34 |
| Fujitsu | level1: If you're wondering that, it's not. | 09:35 |
| Hobbsee | you dont. | 09:35 |
| Hobbsee | oh, interesting. new LP feature | 09:38 |
| Hobbsee | LP has decided it's necessary to show depends, conflicts, etc. | 09:38 |
| Hobbsee | WTH? | 09:40 |
| * Hobbsee swears this is circular dependancies. | 09:40 | |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: which order did you use to attempt to install this? | 09:43 |
| Hobbsee | dpkg is being dumb. | 09:43 |
| Fujitsu | Hobbsee: I think I removed everything, then install everything at once... | 09:43 |
| Fujitsu | I might have used a --force-depends at one point. | 09:44 |
| Fujitsu | But it's all OK now. | 09:44 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 09:44 |
| Hobbsee | i'd forgotten abotu --force-depends | 09:44 |
| Hobbsee | this stuff looks circular, so that's not a bad idea. | 09:44 |
| Hobbsee | or at least, semi-circular | 09:44 |
| Fujitsu | It is sorta, yeah. | 09:45 |
| Fujitsu | Though if you remove everything and install all the old versions, I think it's OK. | 09:45 |
| Fujitsu | I forget, it was 12 hours ago. | 09:45 |
| Hobbsee | I WIN!!! | 09:46 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: eventual solution: downloaded the bits, let aptitude install the null driver, so that it can get -core installed, so that the -input and -video can get installed, so that you can then go and install xserver-xorg, xorg, and then ubuntu-desktop | 09:46 |
| Fujitsu | Ahhhh. | 09:46 |
| Fujitsu | I didn't think about that second step. | 09:47 |
| Hobbsee | core depends on the input and video, but input and video won't configure without -core installed. | 09:47 |
| Hobbsee | sounds like circular depends for anyone who removes core. | 09:47 |
| Fujitsu | Yep. | 09:47 |
| Hobbsee | which most wont do | 09:47 |
| Hobbsee | but i think that's a bug. | 09:47 |
| Hobbsee | you shouldnt *have* circular deps like that at all, to my knowledge | 09:47 |
| Fujitsu | core doesn't depend on input, does it? | 09:47 |
| Hobbsee | erm, apparently not. but xserver-xorg will | 09:48 |
| Fujitsu | It's still a mess and silly. | 09:48 |
| Hobbsee | yup | 09:48 |
| Hobbsee | root@LongPointyStick:/var/cache/apt/archives# show xserver-xorg | grep input | 09:48 |
| Hobbsee | 11:Depends: xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-3), xserver-xorg-video-all | xserver-xorg-video-1.0 | xserver-xorg-video, xserver-xorg-input-all | xserver-xorg-input, debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, xkb-data | xkb-data-legacy, xbase-clients | 09:48 |
| Fujitsu | I guess it does make a bit of sense to have the server depending on them, as it's useful without them. | 09:49 |
| Fujitsu | But it makes things a bit difficult if they break. | 09:49 |
| Hobbsee | well, true. | 09:50 |
| Fujitsu | Erm, s/useful/not useful/ | 09:52 |
| Hobbsee | oh, it's shift+f9 to make the water go away. | 09:52 |
| Hobbsee | not shift+f8 | 09:52 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: do i want to hold back x11-data, or is that OK? | 09:53 |
| * Hobbsee doesnt remember | 09:53 | |
| Fujitsu | That's OK. | 09:53 |
| Hobbsee | right. fixed. :) | 09:54 |
| Hobbsee | erm | 09:55 |
| Hobbsee | ah. it's just lagging | 09:55 |
| Fujitsu | ? | 09:56 |
| Hobbsee | compiz is taking up 90% of cpu | 09:56 |
| Hobbsee | right. that's better | 09:57 |
| * Hobbsee --> dinner | 09:57 | |
| cyphase | Anyone know anything about plans to have a "guest" account in Hardy, e.g. you can logon, do whatever, and when you log off, everything is purged? | 10:03 |
| Fujitsu | cyphase: I do not know of any, so there probably aren't any. | 10:08 |
| cyphase | Fujitsu: i suppose you know everything | 10:08 |
| cyphase | Fujitsu: ;) | 10:08 |
| neztiti | can someone give me new source.list?? | 11:06 |
| Hobbsee | neztiti: you dont want it. | 11:18 |
| === Hobbsee changed the topic of #ubuntu+1 to: Welcome to #ubuntu+1 "Home of the Hardy Heron" | This channel is for Hardy discussion only | If you need help with dapper/edgy/feisty/gutsy join #ubuntu | Release schedule not final yet | If you are here to ask questions such as "what repositories do i use?", "is hardy going to break for me?", etc, DO NOT RUN HARDY | ||
| scizzo- | good topic.. :) | 11:27 |
| Hobbsee | scizzo-: :) | 11:38 |
| Hobbsee | scizzo-: was thinking of adding "the idiot corner is over there" | 11:38 |
| bazhang | :} | 11:42 |
| compwiz18 | "the idiot corner is over by compwiz18" :P | 12:44 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 12:54 |
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| IdleOne | Hobbsee: if I want to make a wish/ feature request for a package I just add Wish to the bug report? | 13:03 |
| Hobbsee | IdleOne: what are you wanting a feature for? | 13:04 |
| IdleOne | xchat | 13:04 |
| IdleOne | want the upload/download window to be hidden or minimized | 13:04 |
| IdleOne | or at least the ability to do so | 13:04 |
| Hobbsee | better to file it in the gnome bugtracker then | 13:05 |
| IdleOne | url? | 13:05 |
| Hobbsee | bugs.gnome.org or something? | 13:11 |
| IdleOne | Hobbsee: filling with gnome bugtracker assumes that I am using xchat-gnome. I run xchat-common I did file a bug anyway because I believe the same issue exists in xchat-gnome but filed with launchpad also | 13:36 |
| Hobbsee | IdleOne: fair enough. ubuntu people will just foward it to xchat people, so you may as well do it for them :) | 13:37 |
| IdleOne | xchat people dont seem to want to fix that seems they like the fact that the winodw covers the chat windows lol | 13:38 |
| Hobbsee | hooray. | 13:38 |
| Hobbsee | silly people :) | 13:38 |
| IdleOne | heh | 13:38 |
| IdleOne | well guess if it gets fixed it gets fixed if not I will have to live with it | 13:39 |
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| Vegar | will hardy use 2.6.23? | 19:57 |
| ompaul | hope is for 24 to be in there | 19:58 |
| sebsebseb | seems Gutsy is quite a buggy release here and there. and hardy is probably hardly worth trying in a VM inside Gutsy, at the moment? for a non developer, because it's very alpha? | 19:59 |
| ompaul | well you can see it progress if you want | 20:04 |
| sebsebseb | is hardly at the moment based on Gutsy? | 20:05 |
| ikonia | sebsebseb: its messy as heck at the moment unless you comfortable with how the distro is packaged together | 20:05 |
| sebsebseb | I mean basically | 20:05 |
| sebsebseb | Gutsy with some changes? | 20:05 |
| ikonia | sebsebseb: no | 20:05 |
| sebsebseb | how the distro is packaged together? how differnet components work with each other? | 20:06 |
| ikonia | yes, versions dependencies and needs and what needs to be where to work | 20:06 |
| sebsebseb | Gutsy to me seems like hardly an upgrade from Feisty really. and pft found what seems to be a bug and this one does effect me a lot | 20:07 |
| ikonia | thats just opinions | 20:07 |
| ompaul | !components | 20:07 |
| ubotu | The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource | 20:07 |
| sebsebseb | Gutsy just seems like a newer version of Firefox Pidgin instead of Gaim and there is Apparmour and whatever under the hood stuff that I don't know about | 20:07 |
| ompaul | !timebasedreleases | 20:07 |
| ubotu | Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases | 20:07 |
| ompaul | sebsebseb, if you want stability you use the LTS | 20:08 |
| sebsebseb | yes | 20:08 |
| sebsebseb | and Hardly is the next LTS | 20:08 |
| sebsebseb | I know | 20:08 |
| Vegar | when can I expect to see 2.6.23 in hardy? | 20:08 |
| sebsebseb | stability lol I expect a distro to be able to get the names right of a CD | 20:09 |
| sebsebseb | the track names | 20:09 |
| sebsebseb | and not come up with unknown | 20:09 |
| sebsebseb | whatever distro :) | 20:09 |
| sebsebseb | surely something like that, is quite basic to do? | 20:09 |
| sebsebseb | Feisty put a CD in and yeah it would get the names right | 20:09 |
| sebsebseb | why do I care that it detects the names of the tracks on the CD? ,because I have last.fm profile | 20:10 |
| sebsebseb | and so yeah the names get submitted | 20:10 |
| sebsebseb | when I listen to that track | 20:10 |
| ompaul | they are packages that are in gnome one of the main sub components | 20:10 |
| ompaul | so if you don't like the gnome way use kde | 20:10 |
| ompaul | it went though a lot of changes for version 4 | 20:10 |
| sebsebseb | the part that tells Rythombox and soundjuicer what the tracks on the CD is called is part of Gnome? | 20:11 |
| sebsebseb | I never liked KDE much, except for Konversation and K3B basically | 20:12 |
| sebsebseb | however | 20:12 |
| sebsebseb | by what I read and what screenshots I have seen of KDE 4 | 20:12 |
| sebsebseb | it seems it is going to be a lot better | 20:12 |
| sebsebseb | and maybe it will become my main desktop environment instead of Gnome | 20:12 |
| ompaul | sebsebseb, that part is a database that is queried | 20:12 |
| sebsebseb | and I assume Hardly will be suppourting KDE4 by default? | 20:12 |
| sebsebseb | which part the bit that tells the player what names are on the CD? | 20:13 |
| ompaul | sebsebseb, well given that http://www.kubuntu.org/ kubuntu 4 beta something is in use now as long as kde get 4 out the door then it will be there | 20:14 |
| ompaul | sebsebseb, the database it queries | 20:14 |
| * ompaul urges self not to repeat | 20:14 | |
| sebsebseb | ok so it reads a database that says what the names of the tracks are on the CD | 20:15 |
| sebsebseb | and then it should tell the player that | 20:15 |
| ompaul | yes | 20:15 |
| sebsebseb | and then it displays that in the player | 20:15 |
| sebsebseb | however this is not happening in Gutsy | 20:15 |
| sebsebseb | 99% of the time | 20:15 |
| sebsebseb | it seems now | 20:15 |
| ompaul | as long as you are connected to the interweb | 20:15 |
| sebsebseb | and yes when connected to the Internet as well | 20:15 |
| ompaul | so what you might want to do is eject the cd and put it in again shortly afterwards | 20:16 |
| sebsebseb | yes done that | 20:16 |
| sebsebseb | re booted the computer turned it on back on again blah blah. logged out of the account and back in again so on | 20:16 |
| sebsebseb | ejected the CD | 20:16 |
| sebsebseb | put it back in again | 20:16 |
| sebsebseb | told it to play, when it said unknown and it don't change | 20:16 |
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| sebsebseb | after a lot of trying to get it to show the names, I got it showing the names, but one of the tracks wasn't called the right one. and two of the others didn't have the right name | 20:17 |
| ompaul | sebsebseb, maybe that entry is not there | 20:17 |
| ompaul | in the DB | 20:17 |
| sebsebseb | I tryed differnet CD's also | 20:17 |
| sebsebseb | and no luck with getting any of the others to say the names of the tracks yet | 20:17 |
| sebsebseb | is it a bug? or just something screwed with my set up hummmmmm | 20:18 |
| ompaul | why don't you look up launchpad.net | 20:18 |
| sebsebseb | not tryed Vista yet again with the CD's | 20:19 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I expect that will work fine still | 20:19 |
| sebsebseb | I am on the bugs thing on launchapd | 20:19 |
| sebsebseb | ,but that's quite confussing to me | 20:19 |
| sebsebseb | to me it seems rather geek, and then it's like, how would I find out if someone has done a bug report for the thing I am on about and blah blah | 20:19 |
| sebsebseb | I might have to revert to playing my CD's on this computer in Vista, or inside Gutsy in some VM hummmmm | 20:20 |
| sebsebseb | well that's a bit silly | 20:20 |
| sebsebseb | they should just work with the names showing | 20:20 |
| sebsebseb | in Gutsy | 20:20 |
| ompaul | well then #ubuntu+1 seems to not really sit you as a type of user | 20:20 |
| ompaul | s/sit/suit | 20:20 |
| sebsebseb | maybe in a way this is the wrong channel yes | 20:20 |
| sebsebseb | ,but | 20:20 |
| ompaul | it is for those testing the next version | 20:20 |
| sebsebseb | yes I know | 20:21 |
| sebsebseb | and if what I am having in Gutsy is a bug | 20:21 |
| ompaul | and if you won't meet the people half way by learning to use launchpad.net | 20:21 |
| sebsebseb | I hope it won't be in the next one :) | 20:21 |
| bazhang | is this #ubuntu+1 or #ubuntu-offtopic ? lol | 20:21 |
| sebsebseb | I have used launchpad before to order CD's and maybe I did some sort of bug report or that was some where else | 20:22 |
| sebsebseb | ages ago | 20:22 |
| ompaul | bazhang, no longer sure myself | 20:22 |
| bazhang | ahaha | 20:22 |
| sebsebseb | I find this a joke that Gutsy won't just show the names of the CD tracks | 20:23 |
| sebsebseb | something as simple as that | 20:23 |
| sebsebseb | oh yeah and by the way if anyone cares, I tryed out Gutsy when it was being developed | 20:23 |
| ikonia | ? | 20:24 |
| sebsebseb | yes had some issues, but that was alright nothing major, untill a kernel update and my sound no longer worked. there was some bugs or wahtever, but it was alpha so yeah | 20:24 |
| sebsebseb | I accepted that | 20:24 |
| sebsebseb | ended up going back to Feisty :) then upgrading to RC of Gutsy and yeah. | 20:24 |
| sebsebseb | and after having computer on. it crashed on me and stuff like that. not sure why. and now this CD names thing hummmmmmm | 20:25 |
| sebsebseb | maybe it is a butg | 20:25 |
| sebsebseb | I guess it's worth trying to find out yes | 20:25 |
| sebsebseb | rather then just doing some bug report, assuming that it is a bug | 20:25 |
| sebsebseb | and I hope Hardy will be quite a lot better release. i'll try it eventaully and watch it being developed in VM yeah. that way if things screw up oh well | 20:26 |
| sebsebseb | being ignored now? it seems ok. well I was off topic anyway in this channel | 20:27 |
| sebsebseb | #ubotu | 20:29 |
| ikonia | your not being ignired | 20:35 |
| ikonia | ignored | 20:35 |
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| Myrth[home] | hi, what means "HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device" ? | 21:51 |
| * assasukasse is away: Im leaving, query me. | 23:48 | |
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