[00:19] * assasukasse is away: Im leaving, query me. [00:19] What is your opinion towards Sabayon ? [00:37] horrible. [03:54] did anyone else's X stuff get borked with that last update? [04:18] compwiz18: the silly people who shouldnt be running hardy are in that corner. please join them. [04:18] * Hobbsee points [04:18] haha [04:24] I know, it's on the test laptop [04:25] and of course, since the topic says "Don't run hardy, it probably doesn't work" naturally, I had to install it. [04:25] :} [04:36] heh, when an update tells you its about to remove xserver-xorg and everything related to it, its usually not a good idea to choose Y [04:39] true [04:40] I remember reading that and wondering why they were removing all the xorg stuff [04:41] it still starts, but I think xorg.conf got screwed up [04:57] compwiz18: of course, yes. [04:57] * Hobbsee is asking for a bump of the xserver packages, so that X is fully installable again [04:58] [14:52] breaking hardy is to be expected ;) [04:58] [14:52] --> DShepherd has joined this channel (n=dwight@72.252.133.113). [04:58] [14:52] Keybuk: well, of course :) [04:58] [14:52] if you're running hardy now, you're crazy [04:59] perhaps that should go in the topic [05:01] heh [05:02] I'm crazy then xD [05:02] okay.. [05:02] its not really worth bragging about [05:04] right. priority bumped. waiting time. [05:23] hi all, can somebody tell me http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3690461&postcount=7 [05:24] quote from the post "ou go trough apt-get update and download packages but don't upgrade then you go to the update-manager and it downloads more 13 packages that apt-get didn't considered so it is better use update-manager cause they are not synchronized yet." [05:25] shirish: the guy's on crack. [05:25] shirish: it's held back packages - apt will let youf orce them, update-manager wont. [05:26] he's just too much of a git to realise, and should nto be running gutsy [05:26] Hobbsee: ok cool [05:27] er, hardy. [05:29] Hobbsee: This is the way I'm seeing apt-get dist-upgrade is showing me, http://pastebin.ca/760667 [05:29] I can see that xserver-xorg all stuff will not be there. line 7 onwards, [05:30] Hobbsee: any comments or suggestions would be welcome. [05:30] shirish: only that you shouldnt upgrade if you cant do it cleanly, and if you dont know what your'e doing. [05:31] that I have never known :) [05:32] if you wait a fe wmore hours, it should all be installable again [05:32] and.. [05:32] breaking hardy is to be expected ;) [05:32] if you're running hardy now, you're crazy === Hobbsee changed the topic of #ubuntu+1 to: Welcome to #ubuntu+1 "Home of the Hardy Heron" | This channel is for Hardy discussion only | If you need help with dapper/edgy/feisty/gutsy join #ubuntu | Release schedule not final yet | Don't run hardy, it probably doesn't work -- this is definitely pre-alpha | breaking hardy is to be expected ;) if you're running hardy now, you're crazy [05:33] Hobbsee: thanx but then i was born crazy ;) [05:33] Hobbsee: till l8ter, thanx for guiding me :) [05:42] great new topic [05:59] Moin! [08:49] is someone already running hardy? [08:49] most likely [08:49] yeah [08:50] any problems? [08:50] dude. if you have to ask.... [08:50] some, yes. [08:51] ok thanks i give it a try [08:51] then you should not run hardy. [08:51] X is partially broken. [08:52] i can live with that [08:53] strange. [08:53] okay then. === Tomcat_` is now known as Tomcat_ [08:57] * Hobbsee figures "what the hell", and says yes to the upgrade [08:57] haha [08:57] love the new topic Hobbsee [09:01] oh, sigh [09:04] okay, i *didnt* want to do this. [09:04] upgrade? [09:05] no, go thru the x transition in the middle. [09:05] oh. sorry. [09:06] Resolving dependencies... [09:06] Unable to resolve dependencies! Giving up... [09:06] Abort. [09:06] haha :) [09:07] well you'll be the one to go to in a month or so..thanks for the sacrifices you are making now [09:13] i thought with evertyhing built, it might just work [09:13] I was going to say go-to guy, but nixternal set me straight.. :} [09:16] heh [09:17] :} [09:17] * Hobbsee waits for these debs to transfer over. [09:21] * Hobbsee ponders downloading a gutsy final ISO, just in case. [09:21] Fujitsu: this stuff really does break :P [09:23] Hobbsee: I decided to try to resolve it this morning, but managed to break it, but was able to revert by manually reinstalling the old bits and pieces. [09:23] Fujitsu: that's what i'm about to ry [09:23] *try [09:24] trouble is, i deleted my aptcache too :) [09:24] Mine wasn't in the apt-cache, so I just downloaded the stuff from LP. [09:26] oh, need old xserver-xorg too [09:26] * Hobbsee scp's that too [09:26] xserver-xorg, xserver-xorg-core, xserver-xorg-video-intel, xserver-xorg-input-whateveryouuse. [09:27] yup [09:30] Fujitsu: erm? how am i supposed to get xserver-xorg, when it's the same version in gutsy and hardy, according to LP? [09:31] oh, i see [09:34] Hobbsee: did you just try to upgrade to hardy? [09:34] level1: no [09:34] i went thru the X breakage, to see if it was actually fixed. [09:34] I wondering if its a stable enough state that I want to get it [09:34] oh, I see [09:35] level1: If you're wondering that, it's not. [09:35] you dont. [09:38] oh, interesting. new LP feature [09:38] LP has decided it's necessary to show depends, conflicts, etc. [09:40] WTH? [09:40] * Hobbsee swears this is circular dependancies. [09:43] Fujitsu: which order did you use to attempt to install this? [09:43] dpkg is being dumb. [09:43] Hobbsee: I think I removed everything, then install everything at once... [09:44] I might have used a --force-depends at one point. [09:44] But it's all OK now. [09:44] hehe [09:44] i'd forgotten abotu --force-depends [09:44] this stuff looks circular, so that's not a bad idea. [09:44] or at least, semi-circular [09:45] It is sorta, yeah. [09:45] Though if you remove everything and install all the old versions, I think it's OK. [09:45] I forget, it was 12 hours ago. [09:46] I WIN!!! [09:46] Fujitsu: eventual solution: downloaded the bits, let aptitude install the null driver, so that it can get -core installed, so that the -input and -video can get installed, so that you can then go and install xserver-xorg, xorg, and then ubuntu-desktop [09:46] Ahhhh. [09:47] I didn't think about that second step. [09:47] core depends on the input and video, but input and video won't configure without -core installed. [09:47] sounds like circular depends for anyone who removes core. [09:47] Yep. [09:47] which most wont do [09:47] but i think that's a bug. [09:47] you shouldnt *have* circular deps like that at all, to my knowledge [09:47] core doesn't depend on input, does it? [09:48] erm, apparently not. but xserver-xorg will [09:48] It's still a mess and silly. [09:48] yup [09:48] root@LongPointyStick:/var/cache/apt/archives# show xserver-xorg | grep input [09:48] 11:Depends: xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-3), xserver-xorg-video-all | xserver-xorg-video-1.0 | xserver-xorg-video, xserver-xorg-input-all | xserver-xorg-input, debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, xkb-data | xkb-data-legacy, xbase-clients [09:49] I guess it does make a bit of sense to have the server depending on them, as it's useful without them. [09:49] But it makes things a bit difficult if they break. [09:50] well, true. [09:52] Erm, s/useful/not useful/ [09:52] oh, it's shift+f9 to make the water go away. [09:52] not shift+f8 [09:53] Fujitsu: do i want to hold back x11-data, or is that OK? [09:53] * Hobbsee doesnt remember [09:53] That's OK. [09:54] right. fixed. :) [09:55] erm [09:55] ah. it's just lagging [09:56] ? [09:56] compiz is taking up 90% of cpu [09:57] right. that's better [09:57] * Hobbsee --> dinner [10:03] Anyone know anything about plans to have a "guest" account in Hardy, e.g. you can logon, do whatever, and when you log off, everything is purged? [10:08] cyphase: I do not know of any, so there probably aren't any. [10:08] Fujitsu: i suppose you know everything [10:08] Fujitsu: ;) [11:06] can someone give me new source.list?? [11:18] neztiti: you dont want it. === Hobbsee changed the topic of #ubuntu+1 to: Welcome to #ubuntu+1 "Home of the Hardy Heron" | This channel is for Hardy discussion only | If you need help with dapper/edgy/feisty/gutsy join #ubuntu | Release schedule not final yet | If you are here to ask questions such as "what repositories do i use?", "is hardy going to break for me?", etc, DO NOT RUN HARDY [11:27] good topic.. :) [11:38] scizzo-: :) [11:38] scizzo-: was thinking of adding "the idiot corner is over there" [11:42] :} [12:44] "the idiot corner is over by compwiz18" :P [12:54] heh === chm0d_ is now known as fsckr [13:03] Hobbsee: if I want to make a wish/ feature request for a package I just add Wish to the bug report? [13:04] IdleOne: what are you wanting a feature for? [13:04] xchat [13:04] want the upload/download window to be hidden or minimized [13:04] or at least the ability to do so [13:05] better to file it in the gnome bugtracker then [13:05] url? [13:11] bugs.gnome.org or something? [13:36] Hobbsee: filling with gnome bugtracker assumes that I am using xchat-gnome. I run xchat-common I did file a bug anyway because I believe the same issue exists in xchat-gnome but filed with launchpad also [13:37] IdleOne: fair enough. ubuntu people will just foward it to xchat people, so you may as well do it for them :) [13:38] xchat people dont seem to want to fix that seems they like the fact that the winodw covers the chat windows lol [13:38] hooray. [13:38] silly people :) [13:38] heh [13:39] well guess if it gets fixed it gets fixed if not I will have to live with it === Vor is now known as Vorian === bmk789_ is now known as bmk789 === PriceChild is now known as pricey === pricey is now known as pricechild === mag is now known as maggit === maggit is now known as mags === mag__ is now known as [mag] [19:57] will hardy use 2.6.23? [19:58] hope is for 24 to be in there [19:59] seems Gutsy is quite a buggy release here and there. and hardy is probably hardly worth trying in a VM inside Gutsy, at the moment? for a non developer, because it's very alpha? [20:04] well you can see it progress if you want [20:05] is hardly at the moment based on Gutsy? [20:05] sebsebseb: its messy as heck at the moment unless you comfortable with how the distro is packaged together [20:05] I mean basically [20:05] Gutsy with some changes? [20:05] sebsebseb: no [20:06] how the distro is packaged together? how differnet components work with each other? [20:06] yes, versions dependencies and needs and what needs to be where to work [20:07] Gutsy to me seems like hardly an upgrade from Feisty really. and pft found what seems to be a bug and this one does effect me a lot [20:07] thats just opinions [20:07] !components [20:07] The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource [20:07] Gutsy just seems like a newer version of Firefox Pidgin instead of Gaim and there is Apparmour and whatever under the hood stuff that I don't know about [20:07] !timebasedreleases [20:07] Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases [20:08] sebsebseb, if you want stability you use the LTS [20:08] yes [20:08] and Hardly is the next LTS [20:08] I know [20:08] when can I expect to see 2.6.23 in hardy? [20:09] stability lol I expect a distro to be able to get the names right of a CD [20:09] the track names [20:09] and not come up with unknown [20:09] whatever distro :) [20:09] surely something like that, is quite basic to do? [20:09] Feisty put a CD in and yeah it would get the names right [20:10] why do I care that it detects the names of the tracks on the CD? ,because I have last.fm profile [20:10] and so yeah the names get submitted [20:10] when I listen to that track [20:10] they are packages that are in gnome one of the main sub components [20:10] so if you don't like the gnome way use kde [20:10] it went though a lot of changes for version 4 [20:11] the part that tells Rythombox and soundjuicer what the tracks on the CD is called is part of Gnome? [20:12] I never liked KDE much, except for Konversation and K3B basically [20:12] however [20:12] by what I read and what screenshots I have seen of KDE 4 [20:12] it seems it is going to be a lot better [20:12] and maybe it will become my main desktop environment instead of Gnome [20:12] sebsebseb, that part is a database that is queried [20:12] and I assume Hardly will be suppourting KDE4 by default? [20:13] which part the bit that tells the player what names are on the CD? [20:14] sebsebseb, well given that http://www.kubuntu.org/ kubuntu 4 beta something is in use now as long as kde get 4 out the door then it will be there [20:14] sebsebseb, the database it queries [20:14] * ompaul urges self not to repeat [20:15] ok so it reads a database that says what the names of the tracks are on the CD [20:15] and then it should tell the player that [20:15] yes [20:15] and then it displays that in the player [20:15] however this is not happening in Gutsy [20:15] 99% of the time [20:15] it seems now [20:15] as long as you are connected to the interweb [20:15] and yes when connected to the Internet as well [20:16] so what you might want to do is eject the cd and put it in again shortly afterwards [20:16] yes done that [20:16] re booted the computer turned it on back on again blah blah. logged out of the account and back in again so on [20:16] ejected the CD [20:16] put it back in again [20:16] told it to play, when it said unknown and it don't change === marko-_-_ is now known as marko-_- [20:17] after a lot of trying to get it to show the names, I got it showing the names, but one of the tracks wasn't called the right one. and two of the others didn't have the right name [20:17] sebsebseb, maybe that entry is not there [20:17] in the DB [20:17] I tryed differnet CD's also [20:17] and no luck with getting any of the others to say the names of the tracks yet [20:18] is it a bug? or just something screwed with my set up hummmmmm [20:18] why don't you look up launchpad.net [20:19] not tryed Vista yet again with the CD's [20:19] ,but I expect that will work fine still [20:19] I am on the bugs thing on launchapd [20:19] ,but that's quite confussing to me [20:19] to me it seems rather geek, and then it's like, how would I find out if someone has done a bug report for the thing I am on about and blah blah [20:20] I might have to revert to playing my CD's on this computer in Vista, or inside Gutsy in some VM hummmmm [20:20] well that's a bit silly [20:20] they should just work with the names showing [20:20] in Gutsy [20:20] well then #ubuntu+1 seems to not really sit you as a type of user [20:20] s/sit/suit [20:20] maybe in a way this is the wrong channel yes [20:20] ,but [20:20] it is for those testing the next version [20:21] yes I know [20:21] and if what I am having in Gutsy is a bug [20:21] and if you won't meet the people half way by learning to use launchpad.net [20:21] I hope it won't be in the next one :) [20:21] is this #ubuntu+1 or #ubuntu-offtopic ? lol [20:22] I have used launchpad before to order CD's and maybe I did some sort of bug report or that was some where else [20:22] ages ago [20:22] bazhang, no longer sure myself [20:22] ahaha [20:23] I find this a joke that Gutsy won't just show the names of the CD tracks [20:23] something as simple as that [20:23] oh yeah and by the way if anyone cares, I tryed out Gutsy when it was being developed [20:24] ? [20:24] yes had some issues, but that was alright nothing major, untill a kernel update and my sound no longer worked. there was some bugs or wahtever, but it was alpha so yeah [20:24] I accepted that [20:24] ended up going back to Feisty :) then upgrading to RC of Gutsy and yeah. [20:25] and after having computer on. it crashed on me and stuff like that. not sure why. and now this CD names thing hummmmmmm [20:25] maybe it is a butg [20:25] I guess it's worth trying to find out yes [20:25] rather then just doing some bug report, assuming that it is a bug [20:26] and I hope Hardy will be quite a lot better release. i'll try it eventaully and watch it being developed in VM yeah. that way if things screw up oh well [20:27] being ignored now? it seems ok. well I was off topic anyway in this channel [20:29] #ubotu [20:35] your not being ignired [20:35] ignored === roe is now known as roe_ [21:51] hi, what means "HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device" ? [23:48] * assasukasse is away: Im leaving, query me.