[00:27] <bluefox_> fuck
[00:27] <bluefox_> the kernel hard locked
[00:27] <bluefox_> sysrq O, I, and R did nothing ><
[00:28] <Fujitsu> !ohmy | bluefox_
[00:28] <ubotu> bluefox_: Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[00:29] <somerville32> I think it is ctrl+alt+shift+sysrq
[00:30] <Fujitsu> bluefox_: Did B work?
[00:31] <bluefox_> no, it's alt+printscreen+thingy
[00:31] <bluefox_> I didn't try B, I tried O though
[00:31] <bluefox_> (Off)
[00:31] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[00:31] <somerville32> B reboots doesn't it?
[00:31] <Fujitsu> It does.
[00:31] <bluefox_> B is INT 19H
[00:32] <jdong> bluefox_: B and O are somewhat broken in Gutsy-ish
[00:32] <jdong> bluefox_: often times on SMP kernels it causes a sched_Atomic oops and doesn't reboot
[00:33] <bluefox_> jdong:  well crud.
[00:33] <bluefox_> I couldn't switch away from X anyway.
[00:33] <jdong> bluefox_: you'd want to just sysrq REISU and then reset by hand
[02:04] <TMM> hi! is there anyone here that would be willing to build a kernel module for me on an amd64 gutsy box?
[02:17] <Lucifer> is there documentation to help me build a custom distribution based on ubuntu?
[02:19] <LaserJock> Lucifer: I think there is some info on wiki.ubuntu.com
[02:19] <Lucifer> hmmm, I searched there, I'll look harder
[02:20] <Lucifer> er, I lied, I guess i looked at the one for end-users, thanks :)
[02:22] <Lucifer> is there a channel for embedded ubuntu?  I'm building a robot, and I want to investigate ubuntu for the purpose :)
[02:23] <somerville32> #ubuntu-mobile
[02:25] <Lucifer> thanks :)
[02:26] <Lucifer> just found on the wiki that they'd intended to release EmbeddedUbuntu alongside gutsy, so now I'm looking to see if they did that before I go make more of an ass of myself :)
[02:27]  * Fujitsu thinks that that sort of silently vanished.
[02:28] <ogra1> Keybuk, ARGH !!!!! please blacklist ltsp again
[02:28]  * ogra1 curses very loudly sitting at the ltsp upstream merge event
[02:29] <Keybuk> "merge event" ?
[02:30] <TMM> anyone want to compile one tiny kernel module for me? it's not that I don't know how to, it's that I CAN'T :) I don't have an amd64 gutsy box to compile it on
[02:31] <minghua> TMM: I don't think this is the right channel to make such requests.  Maybe try #ubuntu.
[02:31] <Keybuk> ogra: be more verbose
[02:31] <somerville32> ogra --verbose
[02:32] <TMM> minghua: I'll try there again then... thanks
[02:32] <ogra1> Keybuk, ltsp used to be blacklisted in mom
[02:33] <Keybuk> ogra1: not true.
[02:33] <Keybuk> ltsp-utils was blacklisted
[02:33] <ogra1> please do that again ...
[02:33] <ogra1> the gutsy packages got just overwritten in hardy with about 5 releases old stuff from debian
[02:33] <ogra1> (because debian adds -0debian1 or so)
[02:33] <ogra1> ltsp-client-core_5.0.39debian1_i386.deb is wrong ...
[02:33] <Keybuk> who overwrote them?
[02:35] <ogra1> ltsp should never ever be merged ...
[02:35] <ogra1> ltsp-utils should not enetr ubuntu
[02:35] <ogra1> *enter
[02:35] <ogra1> btw how's the stom down there ... (we have high waves in front of the window here )
[02:35] <ogra1> *storm
[02:36] <somerville32> You guys have a storm too?
[02:36] <Keybuk> ltsp has never been blacklisted
[02:36] <Keybuk> also, I don't see any upload of ltsp to the archive
[02:38] <Keybuk> oh, I see
[02:38] <Keybuk> it was sync'd
[02:38] <jcastro> Keybuk: his network just died
[02:38] <jcastro> I will relay
[02:39] <jcastro> ogra here, please blacklist it for now and i will upload a higher version to ubuntu for now
[02:40] <jcastro> Keybuk...
[02:41] <Keybuk> better to get an archive admin to do that
[02:41] <Keybuk> though it's worth pointing out that the debian1 looks like it's all good changes that we want
[02:41] <Keybuk> and ogra is panicking for no reason :p
[02:42] <Mithrandir> ogra1: file a bug asking for it.
[02:44] <Keybuk> Spads: welcome
[02:45] <Spads> hiya
[02:45] <jcastro> Keybuk: debian1 means we dont want it at all ... deian maintains their own ltsp version based on ours ... we're abot to solve that here
[02:45] <Keybuk> I don't care :)
[02:45] <somerville32> lol
[02:46] <LaserJock> jcastro: hi
[02:46] <jcastro> but the sync makes ltsp on ubuntu uninstallable (debian uses nfs we dropped that completelz)
[02:46] <Keybuk> then ask for it to be blacklisted
[02:46] <Keybuk> which he could have done before
[02:46] <jcastro> which means we cant work tonight\
[02:46] <Keybuk> why not?
[02:46] <jcastro> so my two day travel to here was pointless
[02:47] <jcastro> because debiootstrapping ltsp-client isnt possible\
[02:47] <Keybuk> so fix it
[02:47] <Keybuk> or use the old one
[02:47] <Keybuk> this is not exactly rocket science
[02:47] <jcastro> i cant without the archive
[02:47] <Chipzz> jcastro: download previous version from launchpad and downgrade using dpkg -i ?
[02:47] <jcastro> Chipzz: THAT DOESNT FIX THE ISSUES
[02:48] <jcastro> EEK\
[02:48] <Keybuk> what issues?
[02:48]  * Keybuk hands jcastro a grip, since he appears to need to get one
[02:48] <jcastro> sorry, not used to that keyboard
[02:48] <Chipzz> it doesn't, but you'll be able to work??
[02:48] <Keybuk> the sky is not falling here
[02:48] <somerville32> It is here :/
[02:48]  * somerville32 gets the storm shelter out.
[02:48] <persia> jcastro: Could you make a temporary local mirror, and force-downgrade in the local mirror?
[02:48] <jcastro> Keybuk: that we cant boot thin clients sice debian uses a totally different principle (nfs vs nbd/squashfs)
[02:48] <Keybuk> (note: this was probably not the best phrase given the weather)
[02:49] <Keybuk> jcastro: don't use debian then
[02:49] <jcastro> Keybuk: well, mom synced it into hardy
[02:49] <Keybuk> no, it didn't
[02:49] <Keybuk> sync-source sync'd it into hardy
[02:49] <jcastro> s/synced/let/
[02:49] <Mithrandir> jcastro: upload a new version that reverts that, then?
[02:49] <Keybuk> download the old one
[02:49] <Mithrandir> no, mom doesn't sync anything.
[02:49] <Keybuk> add a changelog entry higher than the one in hardy
[02:49] <Keybuk> and upload again
[02:50] <Keybuk> and slip ogra some kind of sedative to calm him down
[02:50] <Fujitsu> And wait ten years for it to build.
[02:50] <Keybuk> (though he is *funny* when he's having a panic attack :p)
[02:50] <jcastro> Mithrandir: yes, i will, i was asking Keybuk to blacklist it to avoid that breakage while we work on teh new upstream base
[02:50] <Keybuk> jcastro: I told you, file a bug
[02:50] <jcastro> and was told he doesnt care
[02:50] <Keybuk> Mithrandir told you too
[02:50] <Keybuk> you don't need it blacklisted at 11pm on Saturday evening
[02:50] <Keybuk> and I don't care because I AM NOT AN ARCHIVE ADMIN
[02:51] <jcastro> ok
[02:51] <Mithrandir> jcastro: uh, if you upload a version with ubuntu in the version number, it won't get synced in again automatically.
[02:51] <Mithrandir> and blacklisting is not going to change anything.  That doesn't magically remove stuff from the archive.
[02:51] <Keybuk> blacklisting would just prevent the next newer debian version from overwriting an older ubuntu one
[02:51] <jcastro> Mithrandir: yes, i know ... we were upstream until now for ltsp, so debian/petter decided to tag it as we do in ubuntu
[02:52] <Keybuk> and I strongly doubt the archive admins will sync source over a weekend
[02:52] <jcastro> (with debian$ver)
[02:52] <Mithrandir> jcastro: just tag the Ubuntu version too, then?
[02:52] <Mithrandir> u &gt; d anyway.
[02:52] <jcastro> well ...\
[02:52]  * jcastro gives up
[02:53] <jcastro> ok, ogra is off to smoke, I'm me again
[02:53]  * Keybuk wanders around the room picking the toys up and putting them back in the pram
[02:53] <LaserJock> heh
[02:53] <jcastro> hi LaserJock!
[02:53] <luisbg> LaserJock, heyy! =) hello
[02:53] <LaserJock> hi jcastro and luisbg
[02:54] <luisbg> LaserJock, how is the phd?
[02:54] <luisbg> hey jcastro =)
[02:55] <LaserJock> luisbg: progressing
[02:55] <LaserJock> slowly, but going
[02:55] <luisbg> that's good
[02:55] <Mithrandir> seriously, if you guys had just done this twenty minutes ago, you'd have had the new version in this publisher cycle and been able to do your stuff in about 40 more minutes.
[02:56] <jcastro> hi luisbg
[02:58] <luisbg> jcastro, rock on!
[03:14] <luisbg> http://news.yahoo.com/photo/071103/480/65be296cfcfb4b03a17a0cb0d6a19159;_ylt=ApA8EFQBRkSDmfNRNqhtfb4DW7oF
[03:14] <luisbg> we need that kid ^^ to use ubuntu and develop in a few years
[03:14] <Keybuk> heh
[03:15] <Keybuk> I remember removing the toilet seat one time
[03:15] <Keybuk> the common experience of growing up in an otherwise female-only household
[03:15] <luisbg> Keybuk, and what did you do when you had to seat down to do heavy stuff?
[03:15] <Keybuk> luisbg: I removed it afterwards
[03:16] <Keybuk> "Scott James!  Did you forget to put the toilet seat down again?  WHERE IS THE TOILET SEAT?!"
[03:16] <ogra> heh
[03:17] <luisbg> heh!
[03:18] <dimas_> did you guys eat a lot tonight?
[03:18] <dimas_> good evening
[03:18] <luisbg> dimas_, good evening
[03:20] <dimas_> where should i position it the toilet sit if i want to learn programing and contribute with ubuntu?
[03:20] <minghua> Keybuk: I am indeed curious -- where did you hide it?
[03:21] <LaserJock> haha, that reminds me of my younger brother
[03:21] <LaserJock> when he was little he was going to trick us by putting honey on the toliet seat
[03:22] <LaserJock> but then he forgot and sat on it himself before we did
[03:22] <Fujitsu> Haha.
[03:22] <LaserJock> that was so funny
[03:22] <Keybuk> minghua: just in my room
[03:22] <Keybuk> dimas_: toilet seat positioning isn't important provided there's somewhere to balance your laptop nearby
[03:23] <LaserJock> Keybuk: amen to that
[03:24] <dimas_> i like to have my woman to go first in the morning so i find it warm, so where that would be Keybuk?
[03:25] <Keybuk> dimas_: that's outside my area of expertise, I'm afraid
[03:32] <luisbg> are we really going to talk about toilet seats?
[03:32] <Keybuk> luisbg: you brought them up
[03:33] <luisbg> LOL
[03:33] <luisbg> why is my @ubuntu.com email not working
[03:34] <luisbg> who I have to talk for that?
[03:34] <Fujitsu> luisbg: When did you become a member?
[03:34] <luisbg> Fujitsu, like 2 months ago
[03:35] <persia> luisbg: Did you tell LP about your new shiny email address?
[03:37] <luisbg> persia, how do I tell LP about that?
[03:37] <StevenK> luisbg: Is your address <nick>@u.c?
[03:38] <Keybuk> RCPT TO:<luisbg@ubuntu.com>
[03:38] <Keybuk> 250 Ok
[03:38] <luisbg> yeap
[03:39] <StevenK> Keybuk beat me to it
[03:39] <StevenK> Keybuk: Feeling better?
[03:39] <Keybuk> dunno whether that's a factor of the forwarding though
[03:39] <Keybuk> since it also things foowizbit@ubuntu.com is Ok
[03:39] <Keybuk> StevenK: a little
[03:39] <luisbg> I used to send emails to my @u.c and got the failure return
[03:40] <luisbg> now I just don't recieve anything
[03:40] <luisbg> shouldn't it know it has to send it to the mail address I have in my LP account?
[03:40] <StevenK> It should, yes.
[03:41] <StevenK> If I find the person playing a DVD loudly on this floor ...
[03:41] <StevenK> These hotel walls are paper-thin
[03:42] <luisbg> StevenK, what floor, I have my tv pretty load
[03:42] <StevenK> luisbg: Are you watching a movie/show that just played "Falling in love with you" ? And four
[03:42] <liw> StevenK, it's not me, at least :)
[03:42] <persia> luisbg: Edit your user preferences, and add the account.  That turned it on for me.
[03:42] <StevenK> liw: :-)
[03:43] <StevenK> liw: I know you're on seven, so you're safe. :-)
[03:43] <Keybuk> with the screaming child from hell
[03:43] <luisbg> StevenK, I'm watching mad tv
[03:43] <luisbg> I'm in 8
[03:43] <StevenK> Then it isn't you either. My original comment stands
[03:44] <luisbg> persia, "A new email was sent to 'luisbg@ubuntu.com' with instructions on how to confirm that it belongs to you." ???
[03:45] <persia> luisbg: Right.  You should now receive a message at your other LP address.
[03:46] <luisbg> persia, sounded strange but it did work =)
[03:46] <luisbg> persia, thanks a lot! =)
[03:46] <persia> luisbg: No problem.  Took me 6 months to get mine :)
[03:47] <luisbg> persia, LOL
[03:47]  * Fujitsu had to get a different primary email address to get his.
[03:47] <Fujitsu> As the algorithm to avoid loops is stupid.
[03:48] <Hobbsee> damn.  just hit OK on this upgrade by accident, without looking
[03:48] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Lost your X?
[03:48] <Hobbsee> dunno yet
[03:48] <Hobbsee> not sure what it updated
[03:48] <StevenK> If it's the upgrade I did this morning, it was a compiz update
[03:48] <Hobbsee> hardy
[03:49] <StevenK> Ah
[03:49] <luisbg> Hobbsee, oops
[03:49] <Hobbsee> now, where's the log that tells me what just upgraded?
[03:49] <Keybuk> /var/log/dpkg.log
[03:50] <Mithrandir> oi, Hobbsee
[03:50] <Hobbsee> Keybuk: ah, thanks.  looking under almost the right name, wrong place.
[03:50] <Hobbsee> hiya Mithrandir!
[03:50]  * Hobbsee hugs Mithrandir
[03:50]  * Hobbsee really hates using the "enter" key by accident, when on a different desktop
[03:50] <Keybuk> "Why dialogs are bad #1"
[03:50] <Hobbsee> yeah wlel
[03:51] <Keybuk> if mpt were here, he would tell you *all* about it
[03:51] <StevenK> Why focus following mouse is good, number #3
[03:51] <Hobbsee> oh it's done libx11-data
[03:51] <Fujitsu> +1 StevenK
[03:51] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: That's all fine.
[03:51] <Fujitsu> It's just xserver* that is likely to be fatal.
[03:52] <StevenK> bryce_ is still around, he can be tickled for breaking X on hardy.
[03:52] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: but as for why it hasnt upgraded the rest of the binaries in that package...
[03:52] <Keybuk> breaking hardy is to be expected ;)
[03:52] <Hobbsee> Keybuk: well, of course :)
[03:52] <Keybuk> if you're running hardy now, you're crazy
[03:52]  * Fujitsu decided to try to upgrade X this morning, and reverted half-way through.
[03:52] <StevenK> Keybuk: Surely, encouraged? :-P
[03:53] <Fujitsu> Keybuk: But all the people on ubuntuforums are running it!
[03:53] <Fujitsu> It must be safe.
[03:53] <Hobbsee> Keybuk: well, we knew that.  i ran gutsy at the same point.
[03:53] <Fujitsu> Complaining that X is held back, and that something must be... 'jacked' in the repositories.
[03:53] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:54] <Hobbsee> Keybuk: it's  a problem that my brain is so used to being on development versions, that running the same commands on a stable system becomes frustrating - like, i keep requesting gutsy syncs, for eg.
[03:54] <StevenK> I wouldn't consider running Hardy until a week or so after DIF
[03:54] <Hobbsee> or i keep running apt-cache madison, or aptitude changelog, and it gives me back different data
[03:54] <Fujitsu> StevenK: Wimp.
[03:55] <StevenK> Meh
[03:55]  * Fujitsu normally upgrades around <milestone> 2.
[03:55]  * Hobbsee had to take advantage of the good bandwidth at sevilla.
[03:56] <Mithrandir> did sevilla have good bandwidth?
[03:56] <Hobbsee> Keybuk: i thought you knew i was crazy, anyway.  i'm crazy enough to do stuff with free software :P
[03:56] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: compared to AU, definetly.
[03:56] <Mithrandir> well, maybe compared to .au's string.
[03:56] <Hobbsee> being able to pull at about 1mb/s was really nice.
[03:57] <Hobbsee> where i usually get 150kbps, from a.u.c
[03:57] <Fujitsu> Mithrandir: String!? We have but a single thread.
[03:57] <StevenK> I wish it isn't Alpha. I prefer <name of group>
[03:57]  * Fujitsu often gets around 1MB/s to au.a.u.c, which is sometimes up to date.
[03:57] <Fujitsu> StevenK: Yeah.
[03:57] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: yes, but au.u.u *sucks*
[03:57] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: you should use the pacificnet mirror.
[03:57] <Hobbsee> (unless your ISP is optus, of course)
[03:57] <StevenK> Hobbsee: au.a.u.c, even
[03:57] <Hobbsee> StevenK: yeah, that.  i thought i had too many u's.
[03:57] <Fujitsu> It was within a few hours for a couple of months.
[03:58] <StevenK> At least it isn't PlanetMirror
[03:58] <Fujitsu> Hah.
[03:58] <Hobbsee> i didnt find the out of date to be a problem - i found the problem to be md5sum mismatch
[03:58] <Hobbsee> all the time
[03:58] <Hobbsee> or at least, a great percentage of it
[04:25] <shenki> why don't we change au.a.u.c to internode?
[04:26] <shenki> (their mirror is open these days)
[04:26] <Hobbsee> how good is it?
[04:26] <shenki> very good
[04:26] <Hobbsee> better than pacificnet?
[04:26] <shenki> (i was biased, because i was on node. but im with a different isp now, and it's still great)
[04:26] <shenki> hmm, i haven't used pacificnet
[04:26] <Hobbsee> how often does it update?
[04:26] <shenki> but either way, lets change it to something that doens't suck :)
[04:27] <Hobbsee> oh, indeed.
[04:27] <shenki> Hobbsee: nightly atleast
[04:27] <Hobbsee> but, with not having that as the default mirror, it's faster for the few who do use it :)
[04:27] <Hobbsee> like, pacificnet was still reasonably fast, around gutsy release
[04:27] <shenki> they're good at responding to queries, i remeber back in the dapper dev cycle they stopped syncing but fixed within a few hours after i emailed them
[04:27]  * Hobbsee nods
[04:28] <shenki> who establisehd the current au. redirect?
[04:29] <Hobbsee> no idea
[04:29] <shenki> hmm.
[04:29] <StevenK> I'm guessing the mirror admins
[04:29] <shenki> Hobbsee: you going to osdc?
[04:29] <StevenK> Or Launchpad itself, I'm not sure if it drives the mirror network now
[04:31] <Hobbsee> shenki: wasnt planning to.  may well go to lca
[04:32] <shenki> Hobbsee: ok. heh, 'sif you'd consider *not* going to lca
[04:32] <Hobbsee> sure i would.
[04:32] <Hobbsee> i didnt go last year, and that was in my state
[04:32] <Hobbsee> i only went to the open day
[04:34] <shenki> okay. but i met you on the sunday night, right? I assumed you were there the whole week
[04:35] <StevenK> I thought the Open Day was a Wednesday or Thursday
[04:35] <Hobbsee> shenki: you either met me at open day, or you're imaginging things.
[04:35] <shenki> hmm. maybe.
[04:35] <shenki> :)
[05:01] <mpt> Hobbsee, what was the window you thought you were pressing Enter in, and what was the window that was actually focused?
[05:02] <Hobbsee> mpt: i was dealing with thunderbird, and i pressed OK on what ended up being the popup window from update manager
[05:03] <mpt> Which "popup window" in particular?
[05:03] <mpt> A menu? An error alert? A progress window?
[05:04] <Hobbsee> mpt: a "do you want to do the upgrade" window.
[05:04] <Hobbsee> well, a "do you want to continue?" window, fortunately only doing a "safe" upgrade.
[05:05] <mpt> ok
[05:05] <mpt> so, up to three bugs there
[05:06] <Hobbsee> mpt: sorry, what more info do you want?
[05:06] <Hobbsee> the text?
[05:06] <evand> Keybuk: http://irccrew.org/~cras/security/c-guide.html
[05:06] <mpt> Hobbsee, no, I was just wondering what kind of window it was
[05:07] <Hobbsee> mpt: hm.  now *why* cant i reproduce it nwo?
[05:07] <mpt> Hobbsee, so is it possible for the focused window to be on a workspace that isn't visible?
[05:07] <mpt> That seems like it would be asking for trouble
[05:07] <Hobbsee> mpt: no, it shows on the visible workspace
[05:08] <Hobbsee> it just hijacks focus, so when you're logically about ot hit enter on something else, you hit enter on it instead, then go "oh damn, what am i doing?"
[05:08] <Hobbsee> not figuring out quickly enough that the focus has changed
[05:08] <Hobbsee> focus follows mouse would probably help with this
[05:08] <mpt> Focus follows mouse causes other problems
[05:09] <mpt> So this confirmation alert not only took focus, it also switched workspaces without your consent?
[05:10] <mpt> oh
[05:10] <mpt> it shows on the visible workspace
[05:10] <Mithrandir> some confirmations does switch workspaces and steal focus. Depending on WM
[05:11] <mpt> So, down to two bugs
[05:11] <mpt> (1) Dialogs and alerts should never take focus unless their parent window was already focused
[05:12] <mpt> (2) Unfocused windows look quite similar to focused ones (the frame being the only major difference)
[05:12] <Mithrandir> the latter depends on your settings, though
[05:12] <Hobbsee> mpt: no - but konversation does that.
[05:12]  * Hobbsee grumbles at it.
[05:12] <mpt> Does which? (1)?
[05:13] <Hobbsee> [16:09] <mpt> So this confirmation alert not only took focus, it also switched workspaces without your consent?
[05:13] <Hobbsee> mpt: pretty much
[05:13] <mpt> hmm
[05:13] <mpt> I wonder how that's even possible
[05:14] <mpt> I suppose it could pretend it doesn't have a parent window, and therefore appear on whatever workspace you're on, rather than on the same workspace as the parent
[05:15] <mpt> but still, the WM shouldn't focus it by default unless you haven't touched an input device in the past ~5 seconds
[05:15] <mpt> and the WM probably isn't that clever
[05:15] <StevenK> Well, the WM *is* compiz. :-P
[05:16] <Mithrandir> mpt: past behaviour is not a guarantee for future behaviour.  It'd be bloody annoying if it popped up and stole focus just because you took a 5s break
[05:17] <mpt> Mithrandir, that's true
[05:17] <mpt> though you can say the same thing about screensavers :-)
[05:18] <Mithrandir> which is why gss takes 5s to lock your screen
[05:18] <Mithrandir> so you can tell it "please, no"
[05:18] <Hobbsee> mpt: in the case of konversation, which i'll admit is probably not supposed to work with comipz, when you select the alert, it'll switch you back to the original workspace.
[05:19] <Hobbsee> mpt: but in the case of update manager, yse.
[05:19] <mpt> Mithrandir, yes, I was just trying to think what would be the alert equivalent of g-s-s's fade effect
[05:20] <Mithrandir> fade it in, don't steal focus until it's faded in, and don't steal focus if there has been a keypress while it's fading in?
[05:20] <Mithrandir> so you end up with people who look at the keyboard not having their input sent into the dialogue, while people who see it coming can stop and wait.
[05:21] <Hobbsee> every time that gss fades, i start to wonder if my computer is dying :P
[05:21] <Hobbsee> well, my screen
[05:21] <Mithrandir> heh
[05:21] <mpt> hmm
[05:21] <Mithrandir> it'd be better if it started doing the white bleed of death?
[05:22] <mpt> I wonder if that would lead to people pressing Enter to dismiss an alert because they thought it had finished fading in when it actually hadn't
[05:22] <Hobbsee> i think it's because i'm used to kubuntu, which doesnt do that fade :P
[05:22] <Mithrandir> make it blink when it's done fading in, or something
[05:22] <Mithrandir> and make it possible to switch to it, either by clicking or alt-tab-ing to it if you're impatient
[05:23] <Keybuk> evand: http://swapped.cc/halloc/
[05:23] <evand> kthx
[05:23] <mpt> Or fade from 0% opacity to 50% over 5 seconds, and then jump to 100%
[05:24] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: i still think it should do the BSOD.
[05:24] <Mithrandir> mighr work, but won't be easy to see on a dimmed screen
[05:24] <Hobbsee> (as in, slowly dim to that screensaver)
[05:24] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: heh
[05:24] <StevenK> Hobbsee: You can turn off the fade
[05:24] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: well, it's KDE that's blue..
[05:24] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: sure, but that doesnt fade.  and it's a purpley-blue.
[05:24] <Keybuk> evand: compare with http://talloc.samba.org/
[05:25] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: details. :-P
[05:25] <StevenK> Hrm. g-s-s's dialog box is not giving me anything
[05:26] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: :P
[06:46] <tuxman88> Whats the best partition scheme for ubuntu?
[06:46] <tuxman88> Im setting it up as a desktop
[06:46] <tuxman88> 80gb drive
[06:47] <Fujitsu> tuxman88: This isn't an appropriate channel.
[06:48] <tuxman88> they wont answer me in ubuntu
[06:48] <Fujitsu> We won't answer you here either. Not for support.
[06:48] <Hobbsee> and that makes this an appropriate one?
[06:48] <Hobbsee> tuxman88: use the defaults, and set a home.
[06:48] <Hobbsee> dir
[06:49] <tuxman88> so havign a seperate /usr isnt a good idea?
[06:49] <Hobbsee> more just unnecessary
[06:50] <tuxman88> thankyou, im still in ubuntu and still no answe
[06:50] <tuxman88> sorry for busting in
[06:54] <warp10> Hi all!
[06:55]  * purpleposeidon bitches at uuids
[06:57] <Hobbsee> ...yay
[06:57] <Hobbsee> hiya warp10
[06:57] <warp10> Hobbsee: yo!
[06:58] <purpleposeidon> You may recall me as the guy who was bitching about uuid's a few weeks ago
[07:03] <Hobbsee> was it conductive then?
[07:07] <purpleposeidon> Probably not.
[07:07] <Hobbsee> grr, x froze.
[07:09] <persia> Hobbsee: All of X, or just nautilus.  I find `kill -1 <pid-of-nautilus>` to be helpful for most apparent freezes
[07:09] <Hobbsee> persia: no, X.
[07:09] <Hobbsee> persia: i was playing with annotate again - it has a tendancy to crash my machine, when clearing it
[07:09] <persia> Ah.  special X branded crack.  That makes more sense.
[08:55] <sladen> morning Hobbsee
[08:56] <Hobbsee> hiya sladen!
[08:59] <sladen> UDS is over.  Mao is over.  And the clocks went back two^W three hours ago.
[08:59] <sladen> wonder if popey's plane went down in the hurricane
[09:00] <popey> nope
[09:00] <popey> it actually arrived back early
[09:01] <Hobbsee> sladen: aww
[09:05] <sladen> popey: that was a fast plane
[09:06] <sladen> you only left the hotel 12hours ago
[09:08] <popey> the trains worked out well
[09:08] <popey> as i had checked in online it took no more than a couple of mins to bagdrop
[09:09] <popey> right, snooze time
[09:48] <Hobbsee> bryce: there's circular dependancies in your X, btw.
[09:49] <Hobbsee> xserver-xorg depends on -input and -video, yet you cant install either of them without first configuring core - which requires xserver-xorg.  or at least, some versoin of them.
[09:50] <Hobbsee> so, you're still stuffed if you remove -core, at all
[15:20] <soc> hi
[15:20] <soc> it looks like xserver-xorg is still missing to update the whole xorg ...
[15:20] <soc> goes someone know details?
[15:20] <persia> soc: Is this blocking your work?
[15:21] <soc> s/goes/does
[15:21] <soc> i'm testing nouveau atm ...
[15:21] <soc> and looking for some patches which went into xorg
[15:21] <soc> but nothing really importnat
[15:21] <soc> don't mind to wait ..
[15:21] <soc> was just interested ...
[15:22] <persia> soc: Hrm.  Last I heard, it might be as much as a week before hardy xorg is all fixed.  The source is there, and if you compiled it locally you might be able to beat that timeframe.
[15:22] <soc> ah ok
[15:22] <soc> sounds ok
[15:40] <calc> slangasek: there are no Contents files for hardy...
[15:41] <persia> calc: The repos are churning wildly currently, with sync runs and all the merges.  Do we need them now?
[15:43] <slangasek> calc: best to direct that comment to ubuntu-archive, anyway; I don't know what creates them
[15:48] <Amaranth> I just noticed that too
[15:48] <Amaranth> compiz still complains about x11-xcb even though we have libxcb-xlib0 and libx11-6 built against it so i tried using apt-file and whoops
[15:50] <Amaranth> oh, that's a different package :P *facepalm*
[15:55] <calc> oh i see maybe they are turned off due to the churn
[15:56] <calc> i just wanted to note that it might be broken, but sounds like it is intentional
[16:09] <johanbr> Does a bug where "which" reports an incorrect path qualify as a security vulnerability?
[16:44] <pitti> siretart: hi
[16:45] <pitti> siretart: I think I got libgpg-error unwedged, StevenK does libgcrypt, FYI
[16:45] <StevenK> --libdir is a Good Thing. Not installing .la files Even Better Thing.
[16:46] <pitti> yay killing .la files yay
[16:56] <siretart> StevenK: yay! thanks!
[16:57] <siretart> still catching up with email here
[17:39] <warp10> Hi all!
[18:19] <BigPick> o/
[18:19] <tekteen> is this a place where I can ask what the command in-target does on the debian installer? Does it chroot to the new system?
[18:47] <BigPick> You guys know that feeling when you think you've finally found that bug, that four-hour semicolon error, only to realize that wasn't even the problem in the first place...
[18:47] <BigPick> Yeah...
[18:55] <jdong> BigPick: try spending 2 hours applying a patch from a contributor with CRLF line endings where his editor re-indented all of the source files, only to find out in the end it implemented functionality that already existed because the user never RTFC before patching
[18:56] <jdong> patch really needs a whitespace heuristic :D
[19:02] <BigPick> jdong: Indeed.
[19:03] <pwnguin> jdong: dos2unix and indent ftw
[19:04] <jdong> pwnguin: indent doesn't turn C-style brace openings to Java style and vice-versa, does it?
[19:05] <jdong> whatever editor he was using was really proud of its self-aware turing-complete indenter engine
[19:05] <pwnguin> im not sure what you mean
[19:05] <jdong> decided to reformat all the code to Java style braces where you do int foobar(){
[19:05] <pwnguin> you should be using the same style in both cases :P
[19:05] <jdong> i.e. brace openings on declaration line rather than newline
[19:05] <pwnguin> opening brace on the same line is the One True Way
[19:06] <jdong> pwnguin: pfft Java twerp :P
[19:06] <pwnguin> psh
[19:06] <pwnguin> i wrote code before java was invented
[19:06] <BigPick> Hey, watch it! I'm a java twerp too. But whenever I write in C I newline my opening braces :P
[19:06] <jdong> and his patch somehow was based off his reformatted version
[19:06] <jdong> not the upstream svn version
[19:07] <jdong> I still have no idea how he pulled that off
[19:07] <jdong> should've just sent it back to him for reformatting
[19:07] <BigPick> Usually, with a patch that messed up, just sending it back is preferabel.
[19:08] <jdong> BigPick: meh there's days when I feel exceptionally courteous, and I usually get punished for it :)
[19:08] <BigPick> Understood :)
[19:28] <tepsipakki> finally home.. been awake for 33h and counting :)
[19:36] <BigPick> Get some sleep. Welcome back :)
[20:40] <tepsipakki> hmm, irssi shows that someone mentioned my nick here, but the backlog doesn't have it anymore
[20:41] <tormod> tepsipakki: <BigPick> Get some sleep. Welcome back :)
[20:41] <pochu> tepsipakki: where you away? If so, look in away.log
[20:41] <pochu> tormod: he didn't said his name :)
[20:41] <pochu> s/said/say/
[20:42] <pwnguin> irclogs.ubuntu.com :P
[20:42] <tepsipakki> pwnguin: ah, of course :)
[20:42] <tepsipakki> thanks
[20:42] <tepsipakki> tormod: I didn't use /away ;)
[20:43] <tormod> pochu: good point - took me some time :)
[20:44] <tepsipakki> pochu: that was for you.. I can't even sit straight, so maybe some sleep would be nice :P
[20:44] <pwnguin> tepsipakki: theres a script floating around that ssh's into a screen+irssi session and tunnels highlights to zenity notifications
[20:45] <tepsipakki> pwnguin: now that sounds interesting
[20:45] <pwnguin> "irssi-notify"
[20:45] <tepsipakki> since you can easily miss messages from the active window
[20:46] <pwnguin> www.pthree.org/2007/03/21/irssi-gui-notify
[20:47] <tepsipakki> pwnguin: thanks, I'll try that out
[21:02] <BigPick> Wow, I had no idea everything was logged > . >
[21:02] <BigPick> < . <
[21:08] <LaserJock> BigPick: why not? it's a real drag to do work and then lose it :-)
[21:08] <LaserJock> plus the transparency is helpful so people can see what's going on
[21:11] <pwnguin> im actually surprised the UDS wasnt recorded
[21:12] <LaserJock> I think there may have been some issues in the past with that, getting consent and all
[21:12] <pwnguin> i mean, if you've got icecasts up for the event, you might as well assume SOMEONE's recording it, so the privacy issue is moot
[21:12] <LaserJock> well, it is a bit different
[21:12] <LaserJock> but yeah
[21:13] <pwnguin> no, i think if you've made the step to broadcast it via icecast, you've already walked straight past consent
[21:13] <LaserJock> well, hosting it/announcing it for all posterity is a bit different then a "live audience"
[21:14] <pwnguin> im just saying from the perspective of a privacy nut, the difference is meaningless
[21:15] <LaserJock> right, I have no idea if that was even an issue, but there is a difference
[21:18] <ScottK> Particularly since this time we were half-way through the first day before being informed all the sessions were broadcast.
[21:18] <ScottK> Just an honest error on someone's part, but still not ideal.
[21:19] <johanbr> Are there at least transcripts anywhere?
[21:21] <ScottK> johanbr: Each session had a spec associated with it.  Each spec should have at least notes in the spec wiki page or in a gobby session on gobby.ubuntu.com
[21:21] <ScottK> Not transcripts, but at least notes
[21:29] <Kopfgeldjaeger> n8
[22:59] <jonmasters> sladen: ping
[22:59] <jonmasters> sladen: you'
[22:59] <jonmasters> sladen: you're not answering your phone, and you don't have voicemail.