| === merriam__ is now known as merriam | ||
| nixternal | mdke_: when you wake up, I would like to get the commit hook (python plugin for bzr) for bzr that you are using | 02:43 |
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| nixternal | mdke_: never mind, I see that it is the LP email....groovy | 02:43 |
| nixternal | now to get the hooks to work for the IRC channel, but each of us would need to use the bzr python plugin and have access to the username/password used for CIA unfortunately | 02:44 |
| === darkforce__ is now known as posingaspopular | ||
| bullgard4 | [Gutsy] English help wanted. Gnome Power Manager applet (top panel to the right) version 2.20.0: Right-click opens a context menu with 4 items. What are the English names of these 4 items? Are they 'Settings', 'Power History', 'Help' and 'Info' or what? | 08:55 |
| * Kamping_Kaiser fires up a gutsy box incase no one else answers before it starts | 08:57 | |
| Kamping_Kaiser | now. | 08:59 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | top to bottom: | 09:00 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | preferences | 09:00 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | power history | 09:00 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | help | 09:00 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | about | 09:00 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | bullgard4, ^^ | 09:00 |
| bullgard4 | Kamping_Kaiser: Thank you very much. | 09:01 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | bullgard4, np | 09:02 |
| bullgard4 | [Gutsy] English help wanted. Gnome Power Manager applet (top panel to the right) version 2.20.0: (Right-click) > Preferences will open a dialog. What is the English name of this dialog window? Is it 'Power Manager Preferences'? | 09:28 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | management | 09:30 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | power management preferances | 09:30 |
| bullgard4 | Kamping_Kaiser: Thank you. | 09:38 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | np | 09:38 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | i'm leaving it on ;) | 09:38 |
| bullgard4 | hehe | 09:38 |
| bullgard4 | This dialog window has 3 tabs. What are the English names of them? 'Line power', 'Battery power' and 'General'? | 09:41 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | bullgard4, you could probably find all this out from rosetta | 09:43 |
| tormod | hi, is anyone allowed to /rename/ on help.ubuntu.com/community? | 09:43 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | should be able to | 09:44 |
| tormod | Kamping_Kaiser: thanks, can you rename https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide/DWL-G510 to WifiDocs/DWL-G510 please? | 09:45 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | tormod, you should be able to, unless the wiki has changed since i used it last | 09:45 |
| tormod | Kamping_Kaiser: "You are not allowed to rename pages in this wiki! | 09:46 |
| tormod | " | 09:46 |
| tormod | I don't know if it's me, or the wiki. | 09:46 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | tormod, things have changed *grin*. check your logged in. | 09:46 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | otherwise wait around, and a person with authority should become active some timd | 09:46 |
| tormod | I am logged in, I can edit stuff. | 09:46 |
| tormod | that's my question, if there is persons with "authority" who can. | 09:47 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | there are, they are not here atm. | 09:48 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | check launchpad for the people who can, iirc ubuntu-wiki-team | 09:48 |
| tormod | Kamping_Kaiser: thanks | 09:50 |
| bullgard4 | Kamping_Kaiser: What do you mean by 'rosetta' precisely? | 09:53 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+translations | 09:54 |
| bullgard4 | Kamping_Kaiser: Your hint "https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+translations" is not helpful. This site ia a statistic on some achievements but will not tell me 3 specific English names which I do not know. | 10:05 |
| bullgard4 | is | 10:05 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | bullgard4, eh. you used to be able to use that site to check strings. no idea how you would currently | 10:07 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | bullgard4, in answer to your question though: On AC Power, On Battery Power, General | 10:08 |
| bullgard4 | Kamping_Kaiser: You said: "you used to be able to use that site to check strings." This is not true. I did only guesswork. | 10:11 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | bullgard4, it is true, 12 months ago when i used it last, you could use it that way. | 10:11 |
| bullgard4 | Kamping_Kaiser: There must be some misunderstanding. Before continuing exchanging arguments, I willreconsider all what I have said and heard. | 10:12 |
| bullgard4 | Ah, the misunderstanding might have arisen because the English word 'you' has several meanings. | 10:15 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | yes, quite likely. (english is a stupid language) | 10:15 |
| mdke_ | tormod, Kamping_Kaiser - it's always been the case that only certain people can rename pages on the help wiki | 10:18 |
| mdke_ | members of the wiki team can ask for access | 10:19 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | mdke_, my bad, i remembered them both being renamable | 10:19 |
| tormod | mdke, can I get rename access? I can of course delete and recreate, but that's awkward. | 10:20 |
| tormod | mdke, it's in particular the WifiDocs that need my love | 10:20 |
| mdke_ | tormod: sure. what you need to be careful with is breaking links. So when renaming, if there are any links on the wiki or on the internet, you should always make a redirect. Are you familiar with finding links and making redirects? | 10:24 |
| tormod | mdke_: yes, I can click on the title to get internal links and "link:" in google. #REDIRECT. | 10:29 |
| tormod | hmm or REFRESH has been used also | 10:31 |
| tormod | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CategoryDocumentation says #REFRESH 0 in fact | 10:32 |
| mdke_ | that's just used for redirects to an external website (in that case to the help wiki). For internal links we use #REDIRECT | 10:33 |
| mdke_ | good, I'll add you | 10:33 |
| mdke_ | if there are not many links, sometimes it can be cleaner to just fix them rather than create too many redirects around; it's in your discretion which you choose | 10:34 |
| mdke_ | you should be able to rename and delete pages now | 10:35 |
| tormod | mdke_: thanks! | 10:36 |
| mdke_ | good to have more wiki contributors | 10:38 |
| mdke_ | tormod: if you have any ideas about how to improve the help wiki, please post em to the list. It needs a bit of a kick | 10:38 |
| * mdke_ -> diy | 10:42 | |
| mpt | bullgard4, did you work out how to find the strings in Launchpad? | 11:11 |
| bullgard4 | mpt: No. | 11:12 |
| mpt | bullgard4, what's your native language? | 11:12 |
| bullgard4 | mpt: German. | 11:12 |
| mpt | bullgard4, ok, so at <https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+translations> click on "German" | 11:13 |
| mpt | then click on "gnome-power-manager" | 11:13 |
| mpt | (which is near the bottom of the first page) | 11:13 |
| bullgard4 | mpt: This lists Programs that I can translate into German. | 11:14 |
| mpt | Yes, so click on "gnome-power-manager" | 11:15 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | mmm. its coming back to me now :) | 11:16 |
| mpt | and you'll see all the strings in gnome-power-manager, along with their current translations | 11:19 |
| bullgard4 | mpt: There is a column 'Suggestions'. What rules govern the contents of this column? | 11:21 |
| mpt | bullgard4, they are either translations suggested by people who aren't (yet) approved as trustworthy translators, or they're translations for the same string in other programs that might be useful here | 11:24 |
| mpt | What you're interested in is "Current German" | 11:24 |
| mpt | to find the strings you want to know the English for | 11:24 |
| mpt | Now, since there are 464 of them, browsing through them all probably would take too long | 11:25 |
| mpt | and Launchpad doesn't yet let people search through them | 11:25 |
| mpt | So you may want to do a Google search of launchpad.net instead | 11:25 |
| bullgard4 | mpt: So the only solution at the moment is to skim through all pages one by one until I find the German word or term whose English equivalent I want to know? | 11:27 |
| mpt | hmm | 11:27 |
| mdke_ | you can download the po file and search that in a text editor | 11:28 |
| mpt | searching Google I see it hasn't covered these pages yet | 11:28 |
| bullgard4 | mpt: I will enquire about Launchpad.net. I did not hear about it before. | 11:28 |
| mpt | bullgard4, mdke_'s suggestion is a good one | 11:28 |
| mpt | Click "Download" in the pink box, choose "PO format" | 11:28 |
| mpt | and you'll get a text file which you can open in an editor and use Find to find the string you want to know the English for. | 11:29 |
| bullgard4 | mpt: I was told that I would receive an email. Let's see what this email will contain. | 11:31 |
| LjL | asking for opinions on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions - the former especially seems a mess to me, with instructions addressing various releases but not clearly specifying which, and also it's not very clear why they should be two separate documents | 14:24 |
| mdke_ | LjL: without looking at the pages in detail, that sounds right. Go ahead and clear things up if you want and email the mailing list for further feedback | 15:10 |
| mdke_ | ciao by the way | 15:10 |
| LjL | hey mdke_ :) ok i think i'll merge them, i suppose i will need some guidance to settle on which umasks/dmasks/etc are appropriate, since the two articles seem to disagree... suppose i'll be able to find out, though | 15:18 |
| mdke_ | good idea | 15:19 |
| LjL | ahum... while i'm here... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo -- it used to contain instructions for enabling the root account (with *disclaimers*). then they were removed. I added them back, after the input from a developer (with more HUGE DISCLAIMERS), but now I see they were reverted once again. | 15:39 |
| LjL | i don't feel like starting an edit war, but i do think the instructions should be there - with all the due disclaimers, sure. | 15:39 |
| mdke_ | LjL: for that sort of thing, the best approach is to contact the person who is reverting it | 15:41 |
| mdke_ | perhaps cc the mailing list | 15:42 |
| LjL | mdke_: they're online. invite them here? (otoh, some of my fellow #ubuntu operators seem to be agreeing that RootSudo should *not* explain how to enable root) | 15:44 |
| mdke_ | you'll get more input by email, but irc could work | 15:49 |
| mdke_ | what are the use cases in which enabling the root account is helpful? | 15:49 |
| LjL | mdke_: on IRC, i normally insist that there are none. that is because about 99% of the people who want to enable it don't really need to. i can't exclude there are legitimate reasons for enabling it, though... also, i maintain that, if a user REALLY wants to do something and can't be convinced otherwise, it's better to explain to them how to do it than let them go by guesswork - and break everything | 15:53 |
| LjL | it would be better if Hobbsee were offline, she was totally against the removal and she surely knows better than i do | 15:53 |
| LjL | err, s/offline/online/ | 15:53 |
| mdke_ | is there anything that can't be done using normal sudo access that can be done with a root account? | 15:54 |
| LjL | mdke_: not that i know of, unless sudo is rendered inoperable for some reason (why may happen, but should be fixed by fixing sudo from recovery mode) | 15:58 |
| mdke_ | so the argument is just based on helping people who have used other distributions and have used a root account? I guess that probably explaining that Ubuntu does things differently is enough for that. But I'm open to being convinced | 15:59 |
| LjL | mdke_: i can tell you as a matter of fact that [too] many people still insist on enabling root even after they've been explained it's unnecessary. but i may agree that's not enough to have it explained on the RootSudo page... i'll defer the discussion to when Hobbsee comes back online, she was most adamant on keeping it. | 16:01 |
| LjL | (as an aside... if we don't have the explanation, then perhaps we shouldn't have the HUGE DISCLAIMER, either - but that was left there) | 16:02 |
| mdke_ | i suppose the best is to get an email discussion going on the mailing list | 16:03 |
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| LjL | !files | i've rewritten this (mostly abandoned, it looked) page and intend to use it as a starting point for filesystem stuff | 21:28 |
| ubotu | i've rewritten this (mostly abandoned, it looked) page and intend to use it as a starting point for filesystem stuff: An explanation of how files and directories are organized on Ubuntu, and how they can be manipulated, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LinuxFilesystemTreeOverview | 21:28 |
| jjesse | ubotu: looks good to me | 21:29 |
| jjesse | who is ubuto? | 21:29 |
| jjesse | LjL: looks good to me so far | 21:29 |
| LjL | hehe | 21:30 |
| LjL | ubotu's our friendly neighbor bot :P | 21:31 |
| jjesse | i know that, i was trying to talk to whoever was using it | 21:31 |
| LjL | well, i used a slightly awkward syntax perhaps :) | 21:32 |
| jjesse | hello mpt | 21:51 |
| posingaspopular | hello jjesse\ | 21:52 |
| jjesse | hello posingaspopular | 21:53 |
| posingaspopular | how's it going? | 21:53 |
| jjesse | good just working on bugs while i'm waiting for wife to get ready to go ut for dinner | 21:54 |
| posingaspopular | oh that's cool man. i just came in from lunch, about to do some homewrok. everyone has been calling me to go out but im watching some bullriding instead. | 22:00 |
| jjesse | ah cool, i'm watching the new england indy foot ball game | 22:00 |
| posingaspopular | that's how you know ive been talking to nixternal too much though... he was in the rodeo this weekend | 22:00 |
| posingaspopular | i want to watch that game but my dad wont give up the remote | 22:00 |
| jjesse | seriously? nixternal was ridding the bulls this weekend? | 22:00 |
| posingaspopular | seriously, his whole family was at the rodeo | 22:01 |
| posingaspopular | i think he said his cousin was one of the clowns | 22:01 |
| mdke | evening | 22:01 |
| posingaspopular | that game is going to be great. two undefeated teams... | 22:02 |
| posingaspopular | cbs needs to get HD already though. my tv can't handle their analoge business | 22:03 |
| jjesse | ah, watchig it through my slingbox | 22:03 |
| jjesse | well headig iout for dinner | 22:03 |
| posingaspopular | ttyl jjesse | 22:04 |
| mdke | popey: online? | 22:16 |
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