=== merriam__ is now known as merriam [02:43] mdke_: when you wake up, I would like to get the commit hook (python plugin for bzr) for bzr that you are using [02:43] mdke_: never mind, I see that it is the LP email....groovy [02:44] now to get the hooks to work for the IRC channel, but each of us would need to use the bzr python plugin and have access to the username/password used for CIA unfortunately === darkforce__ is now known as posingaspopular [08:55] [Gutsy] English help wanted. Gnome Power Manager applet (top panel to the right) version 2.20.0: Right-click opens a context menu with 4 items. What are the English names of these 4 items? Are they 'Settings', 'Power History', 'Help' and 'Info' or what? [08:57] * Kamping_Kaiser fires up a gutsy box incase no one else answers before it starts [08:59] now. [09:00] top to bottom: [09:00] preferences [09:00] power history [09:00] help [09:00] about [09:00] bullgard4, ^^ [09:01] Kamping_Kaiser: Thank you very much. [09:02] bullgard4, np [09:28] [Gutsy] English help wanted. Gnome Power Manager applet (top panel to the right) version 2.20.0: (Right-click) > Preferences will open a dialog. What is the English name of this dialog window? Is it 'Power Manager Preferences'? [09:30] management [09:30] power management preferances [09:38] Kamping_Kaiser: Thank you. [09:38] np [09:38] i'm leaving it on ;) [09:38] hehe [09:41] This dialog window has 3 tabs. What are the English names of them? 'Line power', 'Battery power' and 'General'? [09:43] bullgard4, you could probably find all this out from rosetta [09:43] hi, is anyone allowed to /rename/ on help.ubuntu.com/community? [09:44] should be able to [09:45] Kamping_Kaiser: thanks, can you rename https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide/DWL-G510 to WifiDocs/DWL-G510 please? [09:45] tormod, you should be able to, unless the wiki has changed since i used it last [09:46] Kamping_Kaiser: "You are not allowed to rename pages in this wiki! [09:46] " [09:46] I don't know if it's me, or the wiki. [09:46] tormod, things have changed *grin*. check your logged in. [09:46] otherwise wait around, and a person with authority should become active some timd [09:46] I am logged in, I can edit stuff. [09:47] that's my question, if there is persons with "authority" who can. [09:48] there are, they are not here atm. [09:48] check launchpad for the people who can, iirc ubuntu-wiki-team [09:50] Kamping_Kaiser: thanks [09:53] Kamping_Kaiser: What do you mean by 'rosetta' precisely? [09:54] https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+translations [10:05] Kamping_Kaiser: Your hint "https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+translations" is not helpful. This site ia a statistic on some achievements but will not tell me 3 specific English names which I do not know. [10:05] is [10:07] bullgard4, eh. you used to be able to use that site to check strings. no idea how you would currently [10:08] bullgard4, in answer to your question though: On AC Power, On Battery Power, General [10:11] Kamping_Kaiser: You said: "you used to be able to use that site to check strings." This is not true. I did only guesswork. [10:11] bullgard4, it is true, 12 months ago when i used it last, you could use it that way. [10:12] Kamping_Kaiser: There must be some misunderstanding. Before continuing exchanging arguments, I willreconsider all what I have said and heard. [10:15] Ah, the misunderstanding might have arisen because the English word 'you' has several meanings. [10:15] yes, quite likely. (english is a stupid language) [10:18] tormod, Kamping_Kaiser - it's always been the case that only certain people can rename pages on the help wiki [10:19] members of the wiki team can ask for access [10:19] mdke_, my bad, i remembered them both being renamable [10:20] mdke, can I get rename access? I can of course delete and recreate, but that's awkward. [10:20] mdke, it's in particular the WifiDocs that need my love [10:24] tormod: sure. what you need to be careful with is breaking links. So when renaming, if there are any links on the wiki or on the internet, you should always make a redirect. Are you familiar with finding links and making redirects? [10:29] mdke_: yes, I can click on the title to get internal links and "link:" in google. #REDIRECT. [10:31] hmm or REFRESH has been used also [10:32] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CategoryDocumentation says #REFRESH 0 in fact [10:33] that's just used for redirects to an external website (in that case to the help wiki). For internal links we use #REDIRECT [10:33] good, I'll add you [10:34] if there are not many links, sometimes it can be cleaner to just fix them rather than create too many redirects around; it's in your discretion which you choose [10:35] you should be able to rename and delete pages now [10:36] mdke_: thanks! [10:38] good to have more wiki contributors [10:38] tormod: if you have any ideas about how to improve the help wiki, please post em to the list. It needs a bit of a kick [10:42] * mdke_ -> diy [11:11] bullgard4, did you work out how to find the strings in Launchpad? [11:12] mpt: No. [11:12] bullgard4, what's your native language? [11:12] mpt: German. [11:13] bullgard4, ok, so at click on "German" [11:13] then click on "gnome-power-manager" [11:13] (which is near the bottom of the first page) [11:14] mpt: This lists Programs that I can translate into German. [11:15] Yes, so click on "gnome-power-manager" [11:16] mmm. its coming back to me now :) [11:19] and you'll see all the strings in gnome-power-manager, along with their current translations [11:21] mpt: There is a column 'Suggestions'. What rules govern the contents of this column? [11:24] bullgard4, they are either translations suggested by people who aren't (yet) approved as trustworthy translators, or they're translations for the same string in other programs that might be useful here [11:24] What you're interested in is "Current German" [11:24] to find the strings you want to know the English for [11:25] Now, since there are 464 of them, browsing through them all probably would take too long [11:25] and Launchpad doesn't yet let people search through them [11:25] So you may want to do a Google search of launchpad.net instead [11:27] mpt: So the only solution at the moment is to skim through all pages one by one until I find the German word or term whose English equivalent I want to know? [11:27] hmm [11:28] you can download the po file and search that in a text editor [11:28] searching Google I see it hasn't covered these pages yet [11:28] mpt: I will enquire about Launchpad.net. I did not hear about it before. [11:28] bullgard4, mdke_'s suggestion is a good one [11:28] Click "Download" in the pink box, choose "PO format" [11:29] and you'll get a text file which you can open in an editor and use Find to find the string you want to know the English for. [11:31] mpt: I was told that I would receive an email. Let's see what this email will contain. [14:24] asking for opinions on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions - the former especially seems a mess to me, with instructions addressing various releases but not clearly specifying which, and also it's not very clear why they should be two separate documents [15:10] LjL: without looking at the pages in detail, that sounds right. Go ahead and clear things up if you want and email the mailing list for further feedback [15:10] ciao by the way [15:18] hey mdke_ :) ok i think i'll merge them, i suppose i will need some guidance to settle on which umasks/dmasks/etc are appropriate, since the two articles seem to disagree... suppose i'll be able to find out, though [15:19] good idea [15:39] ahum... while i'm here... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo -- it used to contain instructions for enabling the root account (with *disclaimers*). then they were removed. I added them back, after the input from a developer (with more HUGE DISCLAIMERS), but now I see they were reverted once again. [15:39] i don't feel like starting an edit war, but i do think the instructions should be there - with all the due disclaimers, sure. [15:41] LjL: for that sort of thing, the best approach is to contact the person who is reverting it [15:42] perhaps cc the mailing list [15:44] mdke_: they're online. invite them here? (otoh, some of my fellow #ubuntu operators seem to be agreeing that RootSudo should *not* explain how to enable root) [15:49] you'll get more input by email, but irc could work [15:49] what are the use cases in which enabling the root account is helpful? [15:53] mdke_: on IRC, i normally insist that there are none. that is because about 99% of the people who want to enable it don't really need to. i can't exclude there are legitimate reasons for enabling it, though... also, i maintain that, if a user REALLY wants to do something and can't be convinced otherwise, it's better to explain to them how to do it than let them go by guesswork - and break everything [15:53] it would be better if Hobbsee were offline, she was totally against the removal and she surely knows better than i do [15:53] err, s/offline/online/ [15:54] is there anything that can't be done using normal sudo access that can be done with a root account? [15:58] mdke_: not that i know of, unless sudo is rendered inoperable for some reason (why may happen, but should be fixed by fixing sudo from recovery mode) [15:59] so the argument is just based on helping people who have used other distributions and have used a root account? I guess that probably explaining that Ubuntu does things differently is enough for that. But I'm open to being convinced [16:01] mdke_: i can tell you as a matter of fact that [too] many people still insist on enabling root even after they've been explained it's unnecessary. but i may agree that's not enough to have it explained on the RootSudo page... i'll defer the discussion to when Hobbsee comes back online, she was most adamant on keeping it. [16:02] (as an aside... if we don't have the explanation, then perhaps we shouldn't have the HUGE DISCLAIMER, either - but that was left there) [16:03] i suppose the best is to get an email discussion going on the mailing list === mdke_ is now known as mdke [21:28] !files | i've rewritten this (mostly abandoned, it looked) page and intend to use it as a starting point for filesystem stuff [21:28] i've rewritten this (mostly abandoned, it looked) page and intend to use it as a starting point for filesystem stuff: An explanation of how files and directories are organized on Ubuntu, and how they can be manipulated, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LinuxFilesystemTreeOverview [21:29] ubotu: looks good to me [21:29] who is ubuto? [21:29] LjL: looks good to me so far [21:30] hehe [21:31] ubotu's our friendly neighbor bot :P [21:31] i know that, i was trying to talk to whoever was using it [21:32] well, i used a slightly awkward syntax perhaps :) [21:51] hello mpt [21:52] hello jjesse\ [21:53] hello posingaspopular [21:53] how's it going? [21:54] good just working on bugs while i'm waiting for wife to get ready to go ut for dinner [22:00] oh that's cool man. i just came in from lunch, about to do some homewrok. everyone has been calling me to go out but im watching some bullriding instead. [22:00] ah cool, i'm watching the new england indy foot ball game [22:00] that's how you know ive been talking to nixternal too much though... he was in the rodeo this weekend [22:00] i want to watch that game but my dad wont give up the remote [22:00] seriously? nixternal was ridding the bulls this weekend? [22:01] seriously, his whole family was at the rodeo [22:01] i think he said his cousin was one of the clowns [22:01] evening [22:02] that game is going to be great. two undefeated teams... [22:03] cbs needs to get HD already though. my tv can't handle their analoge business [22:03] ah, watchig it through my slingbox [22:03] well headig iout for dinner [22:04] ttyl jjesse [22:16] popey: online?