[02:43] <nixternal> mdke_: when you wake up, I would like to get the commit hook (python plugin for bzr) for bzr that you are using
[02:43] <nixternal> mdke_: never mind, I see that it is the LP email....groovy
[02:44] <nixternal> now to get the hooks to work for the IRC channel, but each of us would need to use the bzr python plugin and have access to the username/password used for CIA unfortunately
[08:55] <bullgard4> [Gutsy] English help wanted. Gnome Power Manager applet (top panel to the right) version 2.20.0: Right-click opens a context menu with 4 items. What are the English names of these 4 items? Are they 'Settings', 'Power History', 'Help' and 'Info' or what?
[08:57]  * Kamping_Kaiser fires up a gutsy box incase no one else answers before it starts
[08:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> now.
[09:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> top to bottom:
[09:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> preferences
[09:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> power history
[09:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> help
[09:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> about
[09:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> bullgard4, ^^
[09:01] <bullgard4> Kamping_Kaiser: Thank you very much.
[09:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> bullgard4, np
[09:28] <bullgard4> [Gutsy] English help wanted. Gnome Power Manager applet (top panel to the right) version 2.20.0: (Right-click) > Preferences will open a dialog. What is the English name of this dialog window? Is it 'Power Manager Preferences'?
[09:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> management
[09:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> power management preferances
[09:38] <bullgard4> Kamping_Kaiser: Thank you.
[09:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> np
[09:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'm leaving it on ;)
[09:38] <bullgard4> hehe
[09:41] <bullgard4> This dialog window has 3 tabs. What are the English names of them? 'Line power', 'Battery power' and 'General'?
[09:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> bullgard4, you could probably find all this out from rosetta
[09:43] <tormod> hi, is anyone allowed to /rename/ on help.ubuntu.com/community?
[09:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> should be able to
[09:45] <tormod> Kamping_Kaiser: thanks, can you rename https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide/DWL-G510 to WifiDocs/DWL-G510 please?
[09:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> tormod, you should be able to, unless the wiki has changed since i used it last
[09:46] <tormod> Kamping_Kaiser: "You are not allowed to rename pages in this wiki!
[09:46] <tormod> "
[09:46] <tormod> I don't know if it's me, or the wiki.
[09:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> tormod, things have changed *grin*. check your logged in.
[09:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> otherwise wait around, and a person with authority should become active some timd
[09:46] <tormod> I am logged in, I can edit stuff.
[09:47] <tormod> that's my question, if there is persons with "authority" who can.
[09:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> there are, they are not here atm.
[09:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> check launchpad for the people who can, iirc ubuntu-wiki-team
[09:50] <tormod> Kamping_Kaiser: thanks
[09:53] <bullgard4> Kamping_Kaiser: What do you mean by 'rosetta' precisely?
[09:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+translations
[10:05] <bullgard4> Kamping_Kaiser: Your hint "https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+translations" is not helpful. This site ia a statistic on some achievements but will not tell me 3 specific English names which I do not know.
[10:05] <bullgard4> is
[10:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> bullgard4, eh. you used to be able to use that site to check strings. no idea how you would currently
[10:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> bullgard4, in answer to your question though: On AC Power, On Battery Power, General
[10:11] <bullgard4> Kamping_Kaiser: You said: "you used to be able to use that site to check strings." This is not true. I did only guesswork.
[10:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> bullgard4, it is true, 12 months ago when i used it last, you could use it that way.
[10:12] <bullgard4> Kamping_Kaiser: There must be some misunderstanding. Before continuing exchanging arguments, I willreconsider all what I have said and heard.
[10:15] <bullgard4> Ah, the misunderstanding might have arisen because the English word 'you' has several meanings.
[10:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes, quite likely. (english is a stupid language)
[10:18] <mdke_> tormod, Kamping_Kaiser - it's always been the case that only certain people can rename pages on the help wiki
[10:19] <mdke_> members of the wiki team can ask for access
[10:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> mdke_, my bad, i remembered them both being renamable
[10:20] <tormod> mdke, can I get rename access? I can of course delete and recreate, but that's awkward.
[10:20] <tormod> mdke, it's in particular the WifiDocs that need my love
[10:24] <mdke_> tormod: sure. what you need to be careful with is breaking links. So when renaming, if there are any links on the wiki or on the internet, you should always make a redirect. Are you familiar with finding links and making redirects?
[10:29] <tormod> mdke_: yes, I can click on the title to get internal links and "link:" in google. #REDIRECT.
[10:31] <tormod> hmm or REFRESH has been used also
[10:32] <tormod> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CategoryDocumentation says #REFRESH 0 in fact
[10:33] <mdke_> that's just used for redirects to an external website (in that case to the help wiki). For internal links we use #REDIRECT
[10:33] <mdke_> good, I'll add you
[10:34] <mdke_> if there are not many links, sometimes it can be cleaner to just fix them rather than create too many redirects around; it's in your discretion which you choose
[10:35] <mdke_> you should be able to rename and delete pages now
[10:36] <tormod> mdke_: thanks!
[10:38] <mdke_> good to have more wiki contributors
[10:38] <mdke_> tormod: if you have any ideas about how to improve the help wiki, please post em to the list. It needs a bit of a kick
[10:42]  * mdke_ -> diy
[11:11] <mpt> bullgard4, did you work out how to find the strings in Launchpad?
[11:12] <bullgard4> mpt: No.
[11:12] <mpt> bullgard4, what's your native language?
[11:12] <bullgard4> mpt: German.
[11:13] <mpt> bullgard4, ok, so at <https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+translations> click on "German"
[11:13] <mpt> then click on "gnome-power-manager"
[11:13] <mpt> (which is near the bottom of the first page)
[11:14] <bullgard4> mpt: This lists Programs that I can translate into German.
[11:15] <mpt> Yes, so click on "gnome-power-manager"
[11:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> mmm. its coming back to me now :)
[11:19] <mpt> and you'll see all the strings in gnome-power-manager, along with their current translations
[11:21] <bullgard4> mpt: There is a column 'Suggestions'. What rules govern the contents of this column?
[11:24] <mpt> bullgard4, they are either translations suggested by people who aren't (yet) approved as trustworthy translators, or they're translations for the same string in other programs that might be useful here
[11:24] <mpt> What you're interested in is "Current German"
[11:24] <mpt> to find the strings you want to know the English for
[11:25] <mpt> Now, since there are 464 of them, browsing through them all probably would take too long
[11:25] <mpt> and Launchpad doesn't yet let people search through them
[11:25] <mpt> So you may want to do a Google search of launchpad.net instead
[11:27] <bullgard4> mpt: So the only solution at the moment is to skim through all pages one by one until I find the German word or term  whose English equivalent I want to know?
[11:27] <mpt> hmm
[11:28] <mdke_> you can download the po file and search that in a text editor
[11:28] <mpt> searching Google I see it hasn't covered these pages yet
[11:28] <bullgard4> mpt: I will enquire about Launchpad.net. I did not hear about it before.
[11:28] <mpt> bullgard4, mdke_'s suggestion is a good one
[11:28] <mpt> Click "Download" in the pink box, choose "PO format"
[11:29] <mpt> and you'll get a text file which you can open in an editor and use Find to find the string you want to know the English for.
[11:31] <bullgard4> mpt: I was told that I would receive an email. Let's see what this email will contain.
[14:24] <LjL> asking for opinions on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions - the former especially seems a mess to me, with instructions addressing various releases but not clearly specifying which, and also it's not very clear why they should be two separate documents
[15:10] <mdke_> LjL: without looking at the pages in detail, that sounds right. Go ahead and clear things up if you want and email the mailing list for further feedback
[15:10] <mdke_> ciao by the way
[15:18] <LjL> hey mdke_ :) ok i think i'll merge them, i suppose i will need some guidance to settle on which umasks/dmasks/etc are appropriate, since the two articles seem to disagree... suppose i'll be able to find out, though
[15:19] <mdke_> good idea
[15:39] <LjL> ahum... while i'm here... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo -- it used to contain instructions for enabling the root account (with *disclaimers*). then they were removed. I added them back, after the input from a developer (with more HUGE DISCLAIMERS), but now I see they were reverted once again.
[15:39] <LjL> i don't feel like starting an edit war, but i do think the instructions should be there - with all the due disclaimers, sure.
[15:41] <mdke_> LjL: for that sort of thing, the best approach is to contact the person who is reverting it
[15:42] <mdke_> perhaps cc the mailing list
[15:44] <LjL> mdke_: they're online. invite them here? (otoh, some of my fellow #ubuntu operators seem to be agreeing that RootSudo should *not* explain how to enable root)
[15:49] <mdke_> you'll get more input by email, but irc could work
[15:49] <mdke_> what are the use cases in which enabling the root account is helpful?
[15:53] <LjL> mdke_: on IRC, i normally insist that there are none. that is because about 99% of the people who want to enable it don't really need to. i can't exclude there are legitimate reasons for enabling it, though... also, i maintain that, if a user REALLY wants to do something and can't be convinced otherwise, it's better to explain to them how to do it than let them go by guesswork - and break everything
[15:53] <LjL> it would be better if Hobbsee were offline, she was totally against the removal and she surely knows better than i do
[15:53] <LjL> err, s/offline/online/
[15:54] <mdke_> is there anything that can't be done using normal sudo access that can be done with a root account?
[15:58] <LjL> mdke_: not that i know of, unless sudo is rendered inoperable for some reason (why may happen, but should be fixed by fixing sudo from recovery mode)
[15:59] <mdke_> so the argument is just based on helping people who have used other distributions and have used a root account? I guess that probably explaining that Ubuntu does things differently is enough for that. But I'm open to being convinced
[16:01] <LjL> mdke_: i can tell you as a matter of fact that [too] many people still insist on enabling root even after they've been explained it's unnecessary. but i may agree that's not enough to have it explained on the RootSudo page... i'll defer the discussion to when Hobbsee comes back online, she was most adamant on keeping it.
[16:02] <LjL> (as an aside... if we don't have the explanation, then perhaps we shouldn't have the HUGE DISCLAIMER, either - but that was left there)
[16:03] <mdke_> i suppose the best is to get an email discussion going on the mailing list
[21:28] <LjL> !files | i've rewritten this (mostly abandoned, it looked) page and intend to use it as a starting point for filesystem stuff
[21:28] <ubotu> i've rewritten this (mostly abandoned, it looked) page and intend to use it as a starting point for filesystem stuff: An explanation of how files and directories are organized on Ubuntu, and how they can be manipulated, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LinuxFilesystemTreeOverview
[21:29] <jjesse> ubotu: looks good to me
[21:29] <jjesse> who is ubuto?
[21:29] <jjesse> LjL: looks good to me so far
[21:30] <LjL> hehe
[21:31] <LjL> ubotu's our friendly neighbor bot :P
[21:31] <jjesse> i know that, i was trying to talk to whoever was using it
[21:32] <LjL> well, i used a slightly awkward syntax perhaps :)
[21:51] <jjesse> hello mpt
[21:52] <posingaspopular> hello jjesse\
[21:53] <jjesse> hello posingaspopular
[21:53] <posingaspopular> how's it going?
[21:54] <jjesse> good just working on bugs while i'm waiting for wife to get ready to go ut for dinner
[22:00] <posingaspopular> oh that's cool man. i just came in from lunch, about to do some homewrok. everyone has been calling me to go out but im watching some bullriding instead.
[22:00] <jjesse> ah cool, i'm watching the new england indy foot ball game
[22:00] <posingaspopular> that's how you know ive been talking to nixternal too much though... he was in the rodeo this weekend
[22:00] <posingaspopular> i want to watch that game but my dad wont give up the remote
[22:00] <jjesse> seriously?  nixternal was ridding the bulls this weekend?
[22:01] <posingaspopular> seriously, his whole family was at the rodeo
[22:01] <posingaspopular> i think he said his cousin was one of the clowns
[22:01] <mdke> evening
[22:02] <posingaspopular> that game is going to be great. two undefeated teams...
[22:03] <posingaspopular> cbs needs to get HD already though. my tv can't handle their analoge business
[22:03] <jjesse> ah, watchig it through my slingbox
[22:03] <jjesse> well headig iout for dinner
[22:04] <posingaspopular> ttyl jjesse
[22:16] <mdke> popey: online?