[00:35] ljl: goatsextroll is PCPolice, Americaisdumb... [00:35] jrib: thanks [00:36] wasn't that comcast? [00:36] guess he was last time [00:36] :( [00:36] My nickname was a reference to a meme popular in the computer programming culture. [00:36] Why did LjL so quickly ban me? [00:37] LjL: Answer. [00:37] Sorry: because it was quite inappropriate? [00:37] Sorry: no. [00:37] and we know what reference you were making. [00:37] Okay. [00:37] actually, mr sorry [00:37] :\ [00:38] whee [00:45] !forget qvm86 [00:45] I'll forget that, LjL [00:46] !kqemu =~ s/ - see also !qvm86// [00:46] I'll remember that LjL [00:46] !virtualizers =~ s/or !qvm86// [00:46] I'll remember that LjL [00:46] qvm86 has been deprecated by its author [01:12] rob nalioth #kde is under a ctcp attack [01:13] !staff | ^ [01:13] ^: Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, BearPerson or ompaul! I could use a bit of your time :) [01:13] ubuntuser [01:13] ubuntuser [i=ubuntu@gateway/tor/x-d3c3eced43807f12] requested CTCP PING from #kde: :+++ATH0 [01:14] nixternal: if its still happening, you could find a staff member in #freenode probably/. [01:14] we kicked him [01:14] ah [01:17] nixternal: do people honestly think +++ATH0 work nowadays? XD [01:17] who knows...and go figure the name as well, and tor.... [01:17] * LjL has quit IRC (Ping timeout) [01:17] if so, please upgrade your modem, it's 20 years old :) [01:17] hahahaha [01:17] I didn't even catch that [01:18] jdong: hey, my 33.6k modem is the only thing that can stay connected to my VoIP line for more than 2 minutes! [01:18] LjL: I bet it has an escape guard though [01:18] jdong: uhm, no, it disconnects on +++ATH. [01:18] LjL: seriously?? what model is it? [01:19] how would i know, it's buried in my server's dirty PCI slots since at least 5 years :P [01:19] definitely all the V.90 modems wait 3 seconds after +++ before escaping [01:19] V.34.... I'd expect the more "recent" ones to do the same [01:19] jdong, 1997 [01:20] LjL: hmm maybe that was before they dial-guarded them [01:20] oh wait, did i just say "PCI slot"? i was lying. ISA slot. [01:20] EISA [01:21] whatever, not PCI anyway since it's not listed in lspci [01:23] wow [01:23] ok that's old :) [01:23] see above comment about upgrading :D [01:23] i don't think so [01:24] lsisa? [01:24] no, there's no lsisa :) [01:27] lol, lsisa :D [01:32] jdong: there's more serious stuff than a modem with a slight security problem in that server, anyway [01:33] ljlhead:/home/ljl# uname -r [01:33] 2.4.27-2-k6 [01:33] hehehe [01:35] you know, i started rolling my own kernel on there because i had a couple of stuck bits in my RAM... badram was useful :) [01:42] xike in #ubuntu is going to try to edit the APT database manually because he's tried to roll his own kernel, and installing the package he created somehow failed, so now APT insists that the package must be reinstalled prior to removal, but he doesn't have the package anymore [01:43] that's a novel way to break his Ubuntu [01:43] yeah, but i'd rather give him a solution and avoid him editing the status file [01:44] dpkg --force-something? [01:45] force breaks things [01:45] so does editing the status file [01:45] isn't there a .old file? [01:45] crdlb: where? what? [01:48] /var/lib/dpkg/status-old [01:48] wow, no victims [01:49] oh I missed the first one... [01:49] LjL already banforwarded all the victims [01:49] jrib: yeah. :) [01:49] crdlb: hm is it safe to overwrite status like that? anyway, even though he says he's sure the package has no leftovers, i wouldn't be so sure myself [01:50] isn't there just a reasonable way to make APT remove the package period? [01:50] I have no idea [01:51] this is why I've never bothered learning to compile. seems like an awesome way to borrow trouble. [01:51] heh [01:51] well you have to tell it to ignore the fact it needs to be reinstalled with some --force, there isn't really an alternative that I can see if you do not have the package [01:52] i'll just go with a --force-remove-reinstreq [02:06] [03:05:14] --> thegallier_ has joined this channel (n=root@71.167.167.182). [02:06] [03:05:14] --> Fade2Blac has joined this channel (n=MostKnow@71.15.152.40). [02:06] joined at the very same moment, both 71's, a root ident, hmm [02:11] [03:10:20] --> internet18 has joined this channel (n=internet@202.150.76.242). [02:11] [03:10:37] --> internet19 has joined this channel (n=internet@202.150.76.242). [02:11] two different realnames [02:11] that's also interesting [02:12] LjL: these kiddy scripts do all that easily [02:12] nalioth: well the question is what should we expect, though. i can't just ban them [02:13] [03:11:53] --> internet24 has joined this channel (n=internet@202.150.76.242). [02:13] ah, no, there IS something weird here [02:13] which channel? [02:13] #ubuntu [02:13] they're staging [02:13] uh... but they hadn't done anything yet :P [02:14] there's lots of them [02:15] nalioth: thegallier_ had actual clones? [02:15] yes, they both had 4 [02:17] and clones.pl is useless in a channel as large as #ubuntu [02:19] nalioth: i don't know how clones.pl works, but "some" clone detector should be useful enough [02:19] anyway, 207-172-70-51.c3-0.sbo-ubr2.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com also has three clones in #ubuntu [02:19] might be legitimate though, don't go with the axe :P [02:19] LjL: it's a script for irssi [02:20] it just shunts all the names back to me when used in high capacity channels [02:20] no, i look first [02:21] * LjL is once again tempted to deploy a certain bot... but perhaps some other day :) [02:21] :) [02:36] In #ubuntu-ni, fitoria said: ubotu: where is igorgue? [03:40] KurtKraut called the ops in #ubuntu () [03:40] Bassetts called the ops in #ubuntu () [03:42] klined [04:12] In #ubuntu-motu, somerville32 said: !forget hobbsee [04:13] ha [04:13] heh [04:15] * Jucato forgets... [04:15] um.. who? [04:30] what? [05:05] Evanlec called the ops in #ubuntu (Super5pam) [05:06] someone posting Nostradamus or some similar trash [05:08] Nrrd called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic (Super5pam) [05:09] same idiot, same strange crap [05:09] Know what would be nifty? If when a nick was supplied, ubotu also listed the IP/hostmask here, so if it showed up multiple times, staff would have it handy when K-Lines were appropriate. [05:10] and with that, /me -> bed [05:11] later tonyyarusso [05:47] In ubotu, KevinO0oO said: This is an autoreply: I am currently not available. Please leave your message, and I will get back to you as soon as possible. [05:48] haha [06:04] that's gold. [09:34] incidentally, I find the kick games at least on -offtopic in extremely poor taste and damaging the atmosphere of the channel [09:35] mjr, me too, it's terrible [09:36] * Gary hides (it was his fault... points..) [09:38] mjr, see mailing list - he wanted it to happen, honest [09:38] * ompaul points at Gary [09:38] mjr, you must excuse my learned friends behaviour, it was most unbecoming a lady... [09:39] * ompaul chases Gary around all of irc with candy floss stuck to a toffee apple [09:39] see.... [09:42] well, I know here in Finland we are lax about the _important_ things such as, you know, using the wrong words at times, but around here ops usually aren't for infantile games on public channels [09:49] ahh you see you need to be from that little bit south of there [09:49] ;-) [10:09] ...and then ompaul wantonly floods the channel [10:09] fuckin' ay [10:09] mjr, killing an o4o conversation [10:09] diversion [10:10] mjr, there are ways to move things along [10:10] I could fight and mute but talk of oneko is a diversion [10:11] as is cowsay [10:20] ...luckily it doesn't scream "it's okay to flood here, guys!" [10:20] oh wait, it does [10:22] also, the (apparent) ubotu !opabuse trigger is a shining beacon of op arrogance, especially considering such conduct by them [10:23] if you're arrogant, at least try to be worthy of it [10:26] * ompaul has a memory - a simple one - no one is perfect [10:33] ummm [10:33] I agree with mjr [10:42] any op's active? [10:43] ask away [10:44] apparently I'm banned from #ubuntu ... not sure as to why though, and yes, i have no idea ... [10:44] back in a moment [10:45] %btlogin [10:45] An error has occurred and has been logged. [10:45] * ompaul looks [10:45] eth01, let me see if I can find out why [10:45] ta [10:52] eth01, please bear with me [10:52] still looking for a record [10:54] 1logs [10:54] !logs [10:54] Channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - Logs for LoCo channels are at http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/ [11:03] eth01, so the reason you're nick was banned was that it had been used to troll and abuse the #ubuntu channel - I'll let you back in - please do /msg ubotu guidelines cheers [11:03] k, thanks. [11:04] eth01, is there anything else we can help you with? [11:05] nope :) [11:05] thanks again. [12:37] * Hobbsee pokes gnome-running people [12:48] ummmm [12:48] is "Exploit" good nick? [12:48] no not something worth kicking but worth poking? [12:51] * popey pokes Hobbsee [12:52] popey: any way i can set what happens when i middle click on a window title? [12:52] * Hobbsee wants middle click to shade and double click to maximise the window. [12:52] it appears i cannot have this. [12:53] and i cant seem to see it in the registry, either. [12:53] i think you are correc [12:53] i dont think that's an action that can be set [12:53] *sigh* [12:53] basic functionality, people. [12:53] * popey shrugs [12:53] * Hobbsee notes that most of the gnome devs only work with 2 windows, being a terminal and firefox. [12:53] i have never felt the need to shade a window [12:53] it has it's uses. sometimes. [12:54] heh [12:54] and talking about major desktop environment, you cant think only "your need" ;) [12:54] popey: the original question was about how to hide the damned drive entries from my desktop [12:54] because desktop icons are EVIL! [12:55] agreed [12:55] maybe slightly more so than systray icons. [12:55] * Hobbsee found the answer to that, when googling, then doing it thru the registry. [12:55] haha [12:55] Hobbsee: now you see why I wont touch GNOME [12:55] * popey has a desktop littered with icons [12:56] Tm_T: i am in gnome at the moment, have been for most of the last couple of weeks [12:56] Hobbsee: I notice =) [12:56] popey: i did, till i decided that i liked pretty pictures, and it annoys me that the icons dont all look the same size :) [12:56] i think it's the preview thing [12:56] * Tm_T posing: http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/current.png [12:57] * Hobbsee uses her desktop to download crap - and then remove it all in one hit, after having done the activity that required the crap. [12:57] I know, its ugly, I dont care, it works <3 [12:57] Hobbsee, you can hide the drive trays though gconf-editor. not sure if there's a newer, easier way or not [12:58] drive trays?! [12:58] err. drive icons [12:58] elkbuntu: yeah. that's what i found :) [12:58] phew, you scared me [12:58] my brain merged drive icons and systray [12:58] elkbuntu: scary brains you have then :)) [12:59] you're implying i have multiple? [12:59] I thought we all have one in head, others in big toes [12:59] ah, right, you are hu-mans [13:00] yeah, mere humans [13:00] sorry, my bad [13:00] * Tm_T climbs back to his mountain and reminds himself of being good old hermit [14:06] !checkinstall [14:06] checkinstall is a wrapper to "make install", useful for installing programs you compiled. It will create a .deb package, which will be listed in the APT database and can be uninstalled like other packages. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CheckInstall - Read the warnings at the top and bottom of that web page, and DO NOT interrupt CheckInstall while it's running! [14:08] doesn't work half the time [14:11] astro76 called the ops in #ubuntu (maja__) [14:15] nalioth: it worked best when it segfaulted. [14:17] mine never hits that high of a mark. it just reports failure and slinks off [14:19] !ntfs [14:19] To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE [14:19] !ntfs-3g [14:19] ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions [14:19] those two wiki pages are *so* much alike [14:19] isn't that all automatic now? :) [14:21] mounting windows partitions? i don't really know. it may be automatic but only for drives detected during installation... and maybe ntfs-3g is not automatic... [14:22] at any rate, those documents are a mess, especially the former [14:27] it's automatic now [14:27] read adn write [14:29] i don't have ntfs read/write capablility :( [14:31] you clearly dont have the latest and greatest crack [14:31] i clearly don't run a machine capable of hosting ntfs partitions :D [14:31] or that ;P [14:32] * nalioth is blight free and likes it that way === Vor is now known as Vorian [15:06] DShepherd called the ops in #ubuntu () [15:06] astro76 called the ops in #ubuntu () [15:06] garrrrr [15:06] I stepped in, hope that was okay LjL? [15:06] klined [15:07] sure seanw [15:07] nalioth, huh? [15:07] There we go... [15:07] gah and afetr all that... [15:08] hehe, 16 mode changes to defeat an 8 line spammer [15:08] seanw: serial spammer. visited other channels. blah blah [15:10] tomaw, I should have just stayed in bed.... *thwacks chanserv.py for unbanning both* [15:10] :) [15:13] nalioth, ah kay thanks [15:13] chanserv.py eh? [15:13] seanw: xchat version of auto_bleh.pl [15:13] AH right. [15:13] Does that script do unbans? [15:14] yup [15:15] but problem is.. it does a /whois first when you do /cs u to unban all bans on that user... I didn't realise that happenned on anything more than nicknames [15:15] and then i made a typo [15:19] I see. [15:19] I will avoid it I think. [15:24] Seveas: is your diskmounter script still actual? (i.e. does it work on feisty/gutsy?) i'm going to remake the filesystems wiki pages a little [15:25] it's not actual and may fail [15:27] Seveas: what do you suggest, removing it, moving it to the bottom of the page with a disclaimer? [15:28] remove [15:29] no [15:29] it's unfortunate though that we don't have even the faint shadow of drive management preferences in the current ubuntu versions :| [15:29] leave it and mark it usable for feisty and prior with the appropriate warnings for gutsy [15:30] or edgy and prior [15:30] i _have_ used it on feisty and gutsy and it WorkedFormME(tm) [15:31] besides in Kubuntu there is a totally *not* automated (but AtLeastIt'sThere(tm)) disk management kcontrol applet [15:31] nothing at all like that in Ubuntu? [15:41] ok who here thinks that the RootSudo page should *not* tell how to enable root, even with huge disclaimers and warnings attached? [15:42] +1 [15:42] LjL, yup [15:42] there should be an explantory about how Ubuntu is designed to use the sudo model [15:43] well, i know that hobbsee at least thinks differently... and i'm also not entirely comfortable with hiding information from people. *informing* them of the dangers, yes [15:43] (issue here is, there's been a double revert on RootSudo) [15:46] oh dear... [15:46] I seem to have lost my .gpg with all my passwords in... [15:46] ... [15:46] "lost"? [15:47] yup [15:47] well only half of them... [15:47] "lost" like in "rm .TABwhooops"? [15:48] mhmmm [15:48] must have gone a few days ago but didn't notice === PriceChild is now known as pricey === pricey is now known as pricechild [16:04] In #kubuntu, b_ said: ubotu said he is a bot,,,,, [16:08] can't certain factoids be locked? [16:08] like? [16:09] jpatrick, yes, by discussing with the other editors :) [16:10] like the ubotu one [16:11] jpatrick, he didn't invoke the "ubotu" factoid [16:11] he invoked the "ubuntu said he" factoid, which doesn't exist [16:12] s/ubuntu/ubotu/ [16:12] ah right [16:12] anyway, it's fun to get to see these smart folks' interactions with the bot :) [16:23] !rootsudo [16:23] sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information. [16:37] !kernel [16:37] kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel. You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild. Also, see !stages [16:37] !no kernel is kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel. You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile. Also, see !stages [16:37] I'll remember that LjL [16:59] !stages [16:59] The Ubuntu Kernel gets updated in stages. If you have the updated kernel, but do not have the corresponding restricted modules, you may be leaving yourself with no X when you reboot. If you have compiled binary versions of your video driver, eg from the nVidia site, you will need to recompile them for the new kernel. This is normal, and not a bug. [16:59] LjL, idea, are you watching? [16:59] watching what? [16:59] this [16:59] just a sec [17:00] who? [17:01] !no kernel is A kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel. If you are convinced have to compile one do, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile. For more: /msg ubotu stages [17:01] I'll remember that ompaul [17:01] LjL, cos that means you don't get channels flooded with extra rubbish [17:02] they should see the stuff themselves [17:02] They'll do it anyway. [17:02] ompaul, yeah some factoids have that, but most factoids have quite a few !words in them, can't change them all into instructions to /msg [17:02] Just like when you do !stages > sillyUser, they do !stages in channel. [17:02] (my pet peeve) [17:03] well I do actually think that a percentage of stuff is troll based [17:03] i don't know [17:03] i oscillate between considering people stupid and considering them trolls :) [17:04] anyway i had changed that factoid again already [17:04] !no kernel is The core of the Ubuntu Operating System is the Linux kernel: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel - You shouldn't have to compile your own, but if you're convinced you do, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile - For more: /msg ubotu stages [17:04] I'll remember that LjL [17:05] better to not have punctuation attached to URLs, some clients will misinterpret that [17:05] hmm [17:05] should we go on a program of removing !foo [17:05] !foo [17:05] Sorry, I don't know anything about foo - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [17:05] actually [17:05] :( [17:06] what would be much more rockin would be [17:06] * ompaul counts back from 10 to get it right [17:06] ompaul: i don't know... i've actually been the one who added a lot of "!"s to factoids. i know it's not wikipedia, but it's useful to easily link to other factoids... although it does have the drawback of people using them in-channel [17:06] if we did not put see also's in the factiod but on the wiki page [17:07] and say see also's [17:07] ompaul, they're most often not appropriate on wiki pages [17:07] she sell sea shells by the sea shore? [17:08] she sells C shells by the Bash shore? [17:08] ompaul, what about we bug seveas once more instead, and make him patch the bot so that, if !foo is called after a factoid containing "!foo" was called, it's send in PM, with the usual notice "Please use the bot in PM"? [17:08] like: [17:08] !kompozer [17:08] kompozer is a WYSIWYG HTML editor for easily creating web pages, and the continuation of the dead Nvu project. It is available in !Universe on !Gutsy, while for older versions you can add the following to your /etc/apt/sources.list file: « deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/tonyyarusso/ubuntu {edgy,feisty} universe » (pick your release and list it without brackets) [17:08] LjL, Launchpad is waiting for you, good idea [17:08] then i type !Universe [17:09] but i get a PM: [18:08:57] (In the future, please use a private message to investigate) The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource [17:09] see [17:09] hmm.. [17:09] which sucks cos it pushes me back to [17:09] !easysource [17:09] source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic [17:09] in the channel [17:09] LjL, when I first started with ubotu [17:10] ompaul, in that case you'd just be trolling... the bot just opened a query with you, and it's pretty clear from the "(message)" that you should go on typing in there [17:10] I did a lot of stuff like go though [17:10] it is clear until you are $silly [17:10] you guys want to implement web browser over irc? :) [17:10] Users arent going to notice it. [17:11] They dont notice now when they get queried by ubotu and they wont notice in the future. [17:11] why not put the links on the pages that are linked? [17:11] TheSheep, that was my idea there [17:11] LjL, what I was going to say about when I started [17:11] ah, sorry, dind't read it whole [17:11] was this [17:11] We'll just get spammed with people trying to do !factoid !factoid !factoid Why isnt it working!? [17:11] I tried to make each factoid as short as possible - not adding length to them [17:12] ompaul, Pici: then make the message even more explicit: NOTICE: Type "!" commands here, don't use them in the channel unless you need them to help someone else! - Please type !Universe again IN THIS WINDOW to get information about Universe [17:12] the object of the exercise was to say [17:12] Pici, they do that anyway when the bot is lagged, which it often is. that's a kick, in my book. [17:13] that with kompozer I would have kompozer is a WYSIWYG HTML editor for creating web pages. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories [17:13] cos [17:14] and Repositories would link to Kompozer instructions...? :P [17:14] all the other seugg we have there !Universe on !Gutsy [17:14] are not relevant to the query [17:14] an alias for nvu would be good [17:14] !nvu [17:14] kompozer is a WYSIWYG HTML editor for easily creating web pages, and the continuation of the dead Nvu project. It is available in !Universe on !Gutsy, while for older versions you can add the following to your /etc/apt/sources.list file: « deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/tonyyarusso/ubuntu {edgy,feisty} universe » (pick your release and list it without brackets) [17:14] okay [17:14] so [17:14] lets look at the info here [17:15] it breaks into: [17:15] Why dont we just standardize the format of !package factoids [17:15] ompaul: problem is, people think Kompozer is *not* in the repositories, since it wasn't originally. that's why there's "!Universe", a lengthy explanation, and the factoid exists to begin with [17:15] it just wouldn't exist if it were a factoid like all others [17:15] Just like I went through and standardized all the !releasename factoids. [17:15] !hoary [17:15] Ubuntu 5.04 (Hoary Hedgehog) was the second release of Ubuntu. End Of Life: October 31, 2006. See !eol for more details. [17:15] !edgy [17:15] Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) is the 5th release of Ubuntu. Upgrading to Edgy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades - Downloading: http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/6.10/ - Release Notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseNotes [17:15] bleh [17:15] I did some of them! [17:15] !eol [17:16] cos I am now curious [17:16] Pici, what do you mean? unless there is *specific* information to give about a package, !info should be used (which used to be callable with !, but now unfortunately that's not possible). if there's no additional information to give, then no factoid should exist [17:16] End-Of-Life is the time when security updates for an Ubuntu release stop. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/LifeCycle [17:16] but in the case of !kompozer, it has to be stressed that it's in the repositories [17:16] LjL, well no what could happen is this, there could be a wiki page where the verbose info is [17:17] * Pici checks the factoids.cgi for examples [17:17] kompozer, a replacement for nvu, See here http://wiki.... for more ino [17:17] info [17:17] then you tell the full story [17:17] ompaul, i don't much like that. that's similiar to what ubot-it does: mostly just links to sites. our bot's verbosity is an *asset* in my eyes, although of course it creates drawbacks (like any asset) [17:18] LjL, okay well, when you have more than a thousand in a channel [17:18] besides, i'm not sure the wiki folks would like having a page for every bot factoid we have [17:18] and you have a bot with 5 line factoids and most people don't run full screen [17:18] you have a problem [17:18] then force long factoids to always be given in PM if that's really such a problem [17:18] LjL, they would love it, wiki's are for starting info [17:19] LjL, that force long factoids are not the answer [17:19] they should be short [17:19] * ompaul files a bug on long factoids :) [17:19] the bot is a helper [17:19] one line gone [17:19] short to the point when it's easier to just reply manually than to call the bot? nah. [17:19]