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sjefen6I do not see the top and the bottom bar in xubuntu. How can I find them?00:00
sjefen6(7.04)00:00
TheSheepsjefen6: press alt+f2 and type 'xfce4-panel'00:05
sjefen6thanks00:07
sjefen6ehm, how do I turn it of or reboot now?00:23
sjefen6*or00:23
somerville32Click the icon with the door w/ the arrow pointing out00:23
sjefen6hmm00:24
sjefen6and then?00:24
somerville32Click reboot :)00:25
sjefen6that did just exit xfce4-panel ...00:25
sjefen6When I clicked it I got a dialog: "Exit Xfce Panel? [Cancel] [Quit]"00:27
sjefen6TheSheep?00:28
TheSheepsjefen6: tha's because the panel crashed before00:29
TheSheepsjefen6: select 'exit' from the apps menu00:29
TheSheepquit, sorry00:29
TheSheepor just press alt+ctrl+backspace00:29
sjefen6Unable to quit session00:29
TheSheepmoonshine and madness00:30
sjefen6ctrl+alt+backspace woorked00:30
TheSheepyeah, it's kind of brutal00:30
somerville32Oh00:30
somerville32It seems like xfce4-session had been killed00:30
TheSheepsomerville32: it didn't even fully start, it does that sometimes on livecd on low ram00:31
TheSheepsomerville32: then you get a desktop without panels00:31
sjefen6but I have 300 something ram...00:32
sjefen6384 mb00:32
somerville32Weird. :/00:32
TheSheepmaybe it's not ram then00:32
TheSheepsjefen6: what cpu?00:32
TheSheepsjefen6: and is it livecd?00:32
sjefen6pentium 200:32
sjefen6i have installed it... but it did not show the menu's on the live cd eather00:33
TheSheepsjefen6: how fast? you can check with 'cat /proc/cpuinfo'00:33
sjefen6266 mhz00:33
TheSheepmaybe there is some timeout or race condition that shows on slow machines00:33
sjefen6hmm00:34
sjefen6but nothing to worry about.00:35
TheSheepsjefen6: it *is* obnoxious. and gives an unpolished feel00:36
sjefen6yeah, but without an monitor and in my closet, none is going to see it :P00:36
TheSheepsjefen6: for every person that comes here and asks about how to get the panels back, there are at least 10 people who didn't bother and just tried somehing else or returned to windows00:37
sjefen6hehe00:37
sjefen6windows on an 266 mhz ?00:37
TheSheep9500:37
sjefen6no way00:38
TheSheepI had 98 on 100Mhz00:38
TheSheepmy last windows00:38
sjefen6xubuntu rules!00:38
sjefen695 on a 266 was my first... but then, I am not that old :P00:47
sjefen6*233 mhz aktually00:48
Bytor4232Whats up all00:49
somerville32Not too much :)00:50
Bytor4232Got Xubuntu running on an Acer Aspire 531500:50
Bytor4232Got it at Walmart on Friday for 348 USD.00:50
somerville32Wow :)00:51
Bytor4232Not a bad little laptop.00:51
Bytor4232They don't sell it in the US, but in Europe it goes for about 800 EUR00:51
Bytor4232or about 600 USD00:51
somerville32The EUR is worth more than the USD.00:51
Bytor4232Built in wireless, widescreen 15.4 screen.00:52
Bytor4232The sound doesn't work, they haven't worked the kinks out in alsa for this chipset.00:53
Bytor4232BUT the wireless works, and thats whats important ;)00:54
somerville32:)00:54
Bytor4232that, and Xubuntu, my fav Distro00:55
* somerville32 cheers.00:55
sjefen6how do I "bridge" (as it is called in windows) 2 nettwork cards?01:00
sjefen6isnt it possible?01:08
somerville32I imagine it is01:09
somerville32It most likely has something to do with iptables01:10
s|kI'm getting a problem where if hit space in a web form in firefox the browser crashes01:10
s|kthis never happened before I upgraded to 7.10 :/01:10
s|khappens in firefox safemode too01:10
somerville32!bug01:12
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sjefen6no, it bridge the 2 nettwork cards together as if it was an wireless access point (exept with wires)01:12
TheSheepsjefen6: there is a howto on the wiki01:16
sjefen6!bridge01:16
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about bridge - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi01:16
TheSheepsjefen6: the term 'bridge' is improper, bridging happens in 2nd layer, you want to do it in third layer01:17
sjefen6ok01:17
TheSheepsjefen6: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowtoNAT01:17
sjefen6tnx01:17
TheSheepI think this is is it01:17
TheSheepthere might be some more on the forums01:18
sjefen6yeah, but that looked easy... I think :)01:22
sjefen6Where is /etc/network/options ? do I have to create it?01:34
pidgasanyone here use gutsy, nvidia-glx-new, and conky without trouble?02:10
pidgasin xubuntu02:11
sjefen6TheSheep: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-113749.html :(02:12
sjefen6time to sleep02:40
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skafiskafnjakXWHnd I change resolution nothing happen, why?04:32
skafiskafnjakXit ask me do I want to keep new settings but screen does not change.04:32
skafiskafnjakXis there a way to fix this?04:32
zi'd like to switch from gnome to xfce and wasn't all that successful by installing the xubuntu-desktop package... is it possible to just install everything all over?04:33
skafiskafnjakXcan I use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg like with ubuntu?04:35
somerville32Yup04:36
skafiskafnjakXhow can I access network forlders from xubuntu?05:07
somerville32What kind of network folders?05:08
skafiskafnjakXshared foldrers on Windows computers05:09
skafiskafnjakXI installed SAMBA05:09
skafiskafnjakXI know its required05:10
skafiskafnjakXbefore with ubuntu I used Konkueror05:10
somerville32You'll have to install another application05:12
somerville32Thunar does not support browsing network shares.05:12
skafiskafnjakXwhich one?05:12
somerville32There are a number to select from05:12
skafiskafnjakXlight and easy :)05:13
somerville32One moment while I perform a search.05:14
somerville32I'm not pasting a listing via a private query.05:14
evil_techi think the one gnome uses would work05:14
somerville32The listings which I pasted via a private message/query are in the format "package name - description"05:15
somerville32linneighborhood and jags look promising05:15
ubuntuhi, when trying to install sun-java5-plugin this is what i get: E: sun-java5-bin: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 206:37
ubuntuE: sun-java5-plugin: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured06:37
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stuart-hi guys. i'm on 7.07. can i just upgrade to 7.10 straight away? and would it screw up nvidia and my internet connection like it did before if i upgraded to the newer lniux kernel when 7.10 wasn't out?07:06
somerville32stuart-, No guarantee sorry07:28
ThePubWhich service is hijacking my volume control on the keyboard?09:14
ThePubafter installation my volume keys, up, down and mute worked but none of the other keys were even recognized.09:14
ThePubI'd like to disable the volume controls and instead bring all those keyboard controls on the same modmap/fluxbox configuration.09:15
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sd32is xubuntu's cd a live cd?10:10
PiousMinionI can't help but notice and get irritated by the flash of light brown(human theme) I see in between the login window and xfce starting up.  Is there any way to stop that?10:47
totalnoodlesfaceisn't that your default desktop background color?10:49
totalnoodlesfaceswitch it to black and see if it helps10:49
totalnoodlesface:P10:49
PiousMinionI did. no cookie.  :/11:02
TheSheepPiousMinion: change the background in the login window settings too11:06
PiousMinionnope. Both background color for desktop and login window are black, but I still get the human colored background for about 2 full seconds.11:10
TheSheepit takes you as long to just log in?11:11
PiousMinionI don't think I understand the question.11:12
TheSheepnevermind, no more ideas11:13
eichihello11:29
eichii want to install xubuntu on a old machine, but i cant install because the mouse doenst work11:29
eichibut its no hardware problem11:29
eichiis this a known bug? i saw this on 2 old computers11:29
PiousMinionNo clue.  I'd try the alternate cd.11:33
TheSheepeichi: what kind of mouse?11:38
eichihm11:39
TheSheepeichi: if it's a mouse connected to COM port, it cannot be autodetected11:39
eichia normal one :P11:39
TheSheepeichi: ps/2 mouse?11:39
eichiyes11:39
TheSheepeichi: usb mouse?11:39
eichips/211:39
TheSheephmm.. should work just fine11:40
TheSheepeichi: you can alsways press alt+shift+numlock and use numpad to move the mouse cursor11:40
eichithat sounds nice11:44
eichithanks11:44
MatBoyTheSheep, hey12:27
RandyboYWhere is the settings for the display stored? Doesnt seem to store in xorg.conf... Im having problems with the settings changing over night... When i come to the computer sometimes everything is so big i just see the upper left corner... So i was wondering if i might find the specific settings and write a script so that i can start it in "my blinde" when the resolution is weird12:40
Danomy screen res is reset all the time to 800*60013:12
Danohow can I set it to 1280*1024?13:13
patricknevillehey how do you set up remote connections allowed into your xubuntu box?13:18
^^Name^^Hi. I cant use backspace when in 'screen'. any solution for that?13:33
vleonhi i have a simple question for general knowledge, i remember xfce in general and xubuntu as a single case, that there was no gui tool for resolution changing, and im rather shure that at least in 6.10 there was no tool14:48
vleonbut there i downloaded xfce 6.04 to use as a medium to to install gentoo on an old pentium3 and it gave me a crappy resolution, and there i find a gui tool O_O, was it backported cause its an LTS?14:50
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vleonwhat no one can answer? i mean not that its a crucial question but my curiosity kills me15:15
vleon_is somebody even here?15:47
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totalnoodlesfacewouldn't know :P15:56
ThePubdon't quote me on this, but X needs to be configured a certain way first before any of the automatic tools are going to work.  And whether those are in 6 I have no clue.  I know using the radeon driver I've had it work once, but not purposefully.16:05
ThePub(and that was in XFCE)16:05
camuflagei've just instaled tvtime and would like to change the capture device, once it's has automaticaly selected the webcam16:57
camuflageinstead of tv card16:57
camuflageon the option "select another source" it doesn't seem to be working when i click on it16:58
helpmego xubuntu!17:01
helpmemy favorite distro17:01
Adriaan_hey17:23
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brick__what IM client would you recommend that supports msn and webcam, exept for amsn.. its slow, unstable and generaly sucks.:P17:50
sd32is anybody here?18:19
sd32guess not.18:21
RandyboYWhere is the settings for the display stored? Doesnt seem to store in xorg.conf... Im having problems with the settings changing over night... When i come to the computer sometimes everything is so big i just see the upper left corner... So i was wondering if i might find the specific settings and write a script so that i can start it in "my blinde" when the resolution is weird again18:38
TheSheepRandyboY: this is usually the effect of badly deected monitor18:39
TheSheepRandyboY: you can run 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' and tell it what monitor you have, then it will be saved in xorg.conf and it no need to detect it every time18:40
RandyboYTheSheep, ok, ill try that18:41
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RandyboYTheSheep, now that did it :-) Now the next step; how to restart xfce from a remote ssh session?18:48
RandyboY(With the right xorg.conf)18:48
TheSheepkill X18:49
TheSheepgdm will start a new copy18:49
RandyboYTheSheep, worked too :-) And one more if i may? How and where do i disable _all_ options including screensavers end turning off screen after x minutes?18:57
TheSheepRandyboY: I guess you just don't start the screensaver18:58
RandyboYSo that it _always_ stays on without the screensavers18:58
TheSheepRandyboY: some options are actually hardware, and you can disable them in bios18:58
RandyboYwell, ive disbaled it, but the monitor goes blank18:58
RandyboYbeen there and checked, and thse are also disabled18:58
RandyboYthose18:58
TheSheepit's possible that xubuntu re-sets these bios settings to some default values18:59
TheSheepsomewhere in acpid settings, probably18:59
RandyboYoh? for every reboot even if ive turned it off?18:59
TheSheepnot sure, don't know acpi very well18:59
TheSheepRandyboY: no, just for the time when computer is under the control of xubuntu19:00
RandyboYyeah19:00
bigfuzzyjesusanyone have any ideas for reducing memory usage in firefox/swiftfox19:03
bigfuzzyjesusopera flash support blows19:03
TheSheepbigfuzzyjesus: yes, you can explicitly tell it to use this much and not a bye more19:03
TheSheepbyte19:03
RandyboYTheSheep, is there any way to change the display setting for the bootup too?19:03
bigfuzzyjesusTheSheep, how19:03
TheSheepRandyboY: /etc/usplash.conf I think19:03
TheSheepbigfuzzyjesus: there is an option in about:config, can't rememeber exact name19:04
bigfuzzyjesusTheSheep, i will look into that19:05
TheSheepfirefox will still make the x server use a lo of ram19:05
TheSheepfor storing all the rendered tabs as X bitmaps19:06
bigfuzzyjesusmy laptop has gone screwy so until i can buy another i am on a 900mhz 256mb computer19:06
bigfuzzyjesusyeah19:06
bigfuzzyjesusalrighty, i am going to switch WM (i am using fluxbox) then do a upgrade to gutsy19:06
TheSheeponesolution is to force yourself to use less tabs19:06
bigfuzzyjesushah19:06
bigfuzzyjesusgood luck19:07
* bigfuzzyjesus is a tab addict19:07
RandyboYTheSheep, where can i make a script which get executed after im logged in?19:07
bigfuzzyjesusi tab windows on fluxbox :)19:07
TheSheepbigfuzzyjesus: I have tabs disabled and it's ok19:07
bigfuzzyjesusTheSheep, i might try that19:07
TheSheepRandyboY: settings->autostarted applications19:07
bigfuzzyjesusmaybe19:07
bigfuzzyjesusif it gets really bad19:07
bigfuzzyjesusbrb19:07
RandyboYTheSheep, thanks alot. Youve been most helpful in very short time :-)19:08
TheSheep:)19:08
MatBoyTheSheep, do I have to report that XFCE / KRDC full screen issue ?19:09
bigfuzzyjesusalrighty19:09
bigfuzzyjesusnow i am in xfce19:10
TheSheepMatBoy: it would be wise if you want to have it fixed19:13
TheSheepMatBoy: developers can't really fix something they don't know about19:13
zeroflagany suggestion for a movieplayer that doesn't chop my movie into 10second slices like totem?19:13
bigfuzzyjesushopefully this will be my first glitch free upgrade19:13
TheSheepbigfuzzyjesus: good luck19:13
TheSheepzeroflag: sounds like codec problems19:13
TheSheepzeroflag: try vlc19:13
bigfuzzyjesusTheSheep, i have never had one before, on probably 5 machines from breezy (when i started) to now19:14
bigfuzzyjesusthis will probably also be the fastest... i am dloading at 500kb/s19:17
nnyhi19:54
nnyis therw a super minimum install howto for xubuntu19:54
nnyfound a howto for starting with server, shoudl suffice  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/Low MemorySystems thanks19:58
bart_anyone notice how the mouse cursor acts weird when I change it to a different one?  It switches back and forth to the default cursor when i move it over the top bar or certain windows.20:51
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PegLeganyone know howto control the powermanager.  it blanks my screen after 10 minutes, would like to bump it up to 1 hour if possible.21:11
TheSheepPegLeg: I'd guess it's in the screensaver settings?21:14
PegLegTheSheep, i don't see it in there, i have my screensaver going with random, and there are'nt any power settings, but i will look in there and see if i'm missing something.21:16
VysetheLegendHey, juys. I was wondering how well Xubuntu runs on a tablet PC.21:18
PegLegit's real fast and light on a pc, takes hardly any memory compared to the other DE's21:21
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PegLegmy mouse pointer keeps bouncing back and forth to the default pointer after i change it.  anyone have that problem?21:23
nnyso what is the preferred method for wireless on Xfce??21:28
Ow1nny: on xubuntu 7.10 you can use network manager22:03
Ow1and is also recomended :)22:03
nnyOwl I have a very minimal disk (4 gb) so trying to avoid gnome deps... i'll have to see how many package sit needs on a fresh install22:17
nnyOw1, sorry got your name wrong22:27
Ow1hm.... network-manager should be the way to go. It has a daemon (cross desktop) and a gnome and kde frontend.22:29
Ow1i have'n search the net, maybe there is a gtk only frontend22:29
nnyOw1, yeah working with xfce guys on a program called airconfig and I have sacrificed many small animals to get to this point22:30
nnyhopefully the required packages aren't too much22:31
nnyOw1, whats the best way to invoke the manager in XFCE?22:31
nnyis there a front end like nm-applet in xfce?22:31
Ow1I'm using nm-applet22:32
nnyreally22:32
nnyadd it as a launcher?22:32
nnyor autostart app?22:32
Ow1autostart22:32
nnyk will try brb22:32
Ow1and stayis in the notification area22:32
nnyOw1, is there a way to stop gnome volume manger, etc. from running ? I am still using gnome-volume manger, and nautilus seems to want to run, I installed xubuntu-desktop and remove ubuntu-desktop to no avail23:12
Ow1from xfce session i've uncked compatibily -> gnome startup23:14
nnyyeah i did too, to no avail23:14
Ow1aaaaaa. you want to use nautilus without gnome-volume-manager?23:15
Ow1i think this is not posible23:15
nnyneither really23:15
Ow1use thunar23:15
nnytrying to remove all gnome from startup 9or at least as much as possible)23:15
nnyyeah but it autostarts all the gnome bs23:15
Ow1you should try xubunut-system-tools23:16
Ow1and there are other gnome specific tools without gnome support23:16
Ow1but i'm also new to xubunut and xfce23:16
Ow1and like you i'm trying to get rid of all extre gnome/xfce services23:17
Ow1my goal is to have a linux system using less than 256 memory and i'm not very happy with the current results23:18
nnyyeah me too23:18
nnyi have an eee pc coming23:18
nnytesting on my desktop23:18
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nnyabout to just download ubuntu server and start there23:20
nnywell gusty alternate23:20
nnyand just add as needed23:20
nnyeee pc only has 4gb of storage, so light is key23:20
nnygoing to try somethign drastic23:21
nnyapt-get remove gnome*23:21
nnyand then reinstall xubuntu-desktop23:21
nnythis is gonna be hilarious23:23
PegLegmy mouse pointer keeps bouncing back and forth to the default pointer after i change it.  anyone have that problem?23:24
Ow1nny: try to downloand and install xubuntu-alternate23:24
nnyhahah things breaking23:24
nnywill do for my laptop23:24
Ow1you will have a gnome-clean install23:25
nnyjust testing things here on my desktop23:25
nnybreak!!!23:26
nnyi thnk i am gonna use alt cd always.. too much garbage on stock install23:27
Ow1:)23:27
nnygah why does xubuntu-desktop have so muany gnome libraries??23:29
Ow1http://janimo.blogspot.com/2007/10/xubuntu-gutsy-status.html23:30
Ow1the gtk apps are buggy and featureless23:30
nnyok so i think things may break here... I have xfce4 installed... need nmapplet23:31
Ow1thinks are going down on this side too :(23:32
nnyinstalling network-manager-gnome23:33
nny25 megs of space though23:33
nnytrying to eliminate such tings23:33
nnythings*23:33
nnymay just download alt cd tomorrow and roll with it23:33
nnyat least I'll have a wired connection23:34
nnyok network-manager-gnome is installed23:34
nnygoing to install a login manager and reboot, see what is left23:34
nnyif i don't see ya, i broke something, will login via windows though23:35
nnybrb23:35
PegLegi am trying to adjust how long it takes for my screen to turn off - i don't see any setting for that in screensaver23:36
nnyholy moly23:38
nnyworks23:38
nnyand tons of stuff removed23:38
nnyall gnome games, and other BS23:39
nnyusing thunar23:39
nnycompiz still works23:39
nnyi basically did a apt-get remove gnome* and than apt-get install network-manager-gnome and rebooted23:39
nnystill have nm-applet too23:39
nnylost totem, which will not be missed23:40
nnyhey23:40
nnyoops thought you were here23:40
nnyworks well23:40
nnyall gnome bs is gone23:40
Ow1:)23:40
nnyapt-get remove gnome* and apt-get install network-manager-gnome23:40
nnydone23:41
nnyand lots of crap gone23:41
nnywas ugin avant window manger, gonna see if there is a way to make it xfce friendly or not use avant23:42
Ow1don't use avant.... is unstable23:45
Ow1forget about composite for the next year... maybe later we will some good video drivers and mature composite managers23:46
nnyi am using compiz now23:47
nnyworks great23:47
nnynvidia23:47
nnycool23:54
nnyworks nicely23:54
nnyno more gnomes23:54
nnyso much quicker23:54
nnywhich is sad, cause i have an amd X2 4800 2 gigs of ram and an nvidia 860023:54
quittthow do I change the Ubuntu on grup to XUbuntu?23:56
Ow1Ubuntu on grup to XUbuntu... what is that?23:58
crimsunI think s/he means "grub" menu option(s)23:59
quitttgrub23:59
quitttyes23:59

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