[00:00] <sjefen6> I do not see the top and the bottom bar in xubuntu. How can I find them?
[00:00] <sjefen6> (7.04)
[00:05] <TheSheep> sjefen6: press alt+f2 and type 'xfce4-panel'
[00:07] <sjefen6> thanks
[00:23] <sjefen6> ehm, how do I turn it of or reboot now?
[00:23] <sjefen6> *or
[00:23] <somerville32> Click the icon with the door w/ the arrow pointing out
[00:24] <sjefen6> hmm
[00:24] <sjefen6> and then?
[00:25] <somerville32> Click reboot :)
[00:25] <sjefen6> that did just exit xfce4-panel ...
[00:27] <sjefen6> When I clicked it I got a dialog: "Exit Xfce Panel? [Cancel] [Quit]"
[00:28] <sjefen6> TheSheep?
[00:29] <TheSheep> sjefen6: tha's because the panel crashed before
[00:29] <TheSheep> sjefen6: select 'exit' from the apps menu
[00:29] <TheSheep> quit, sorry
[00:29] <TheSheep> or just press alt+ctrl+backspace
[00:29] <sjefen6> Unable to quit session
[00:30] <TheSheep> moonshine and madness
[00:30] <sjefen6> ctrl+alt+backspace woorked
[00:30] <TheSheep> yeah, it's kind of brutal
[00:30] <somerville32> Oh
[00:30] <somerville32> It seems like xfce4-session had been killed
[00:31] <TheSheep> somerville32: it didn't even fully start, it does that sometimes on livecd on low ram
[00:31] <TheSheep> somerville32: then you get a desktop without panels
[00:32] <sjefen6> but I have 300 something ram...
[00:32] <sjefen6> 384 mb
[00:32] <somerville32> Weird. :/
[00:32] <TheSheep> maybe it's not ram then
[00:32] <TheSheep> sjefen6: what cpu?
[00:32] <TheSheep> sjefen6: and is it livecd?
[00:32] <sjefen6> pentium 2
[00:33] <sjefen6> i have installed it... but it did not show the menu's on the live cd eather
[00:33] <TheSheep> sjefen6: how fast? you can check with 'cat /proc/cpuinfo'
[00:33] <sjefen6> 266 mhz
[00:33] <TheSheep> maybe there is some timeout or race condition that shows on slow machines
[00:34] <sjefen6> hmm
[00:35] <sjefen6> but nothing to worry about.
[00:36] <TheSheep> sjefen6: it *is* obnoxious. and gives an unpolished feel
[00:36] <sjefen6> yeah, but without an monitor and in my closet, none is going to see it :P
[00:37] <TheSheep> sjefen6: for every person that comes here and asks about how to get the panels back, there are at least 10 people who didn't bother and just tried somehing else or returned to windows
[00:37] <sjefen6> hehe
[00:37] <sjefen6> windows on an 266 mhz ?
[00:37] <TheSheep> 95
[00:38] <sjefen6> no way
[00:38] <TheSheep> I had 98 on 100Mhz
[00:38] <TheSheep> my last windows
[00:38] <sjefen6> xubuntu rules!
[00:47] <sjefen6> 95 on a 266 was my first... but then, I am not that old :P
[00:48] <sjefen6> *233 mhz aktually
[00:49] <Bytor4232> Whats up all
[00:50] <somerville32> Not too much :)
[00:50] <Bytor4232> Got Xubuntu running on an Acer Aspire 5315
[00:50] <Bytor4232> Got it at Walmart on Friday for 348 USD.
[00:51] <somerville32> Wow :)
[00:51] <Bytor4232> Not a bad little laptop.
[00:51] <Bytor4232> They don't sell it in the US, but in Europe it goes for about 800 EUR
[00:51] <Bytor4232> or about 600 USD
[00:51] <somerville32> The EUR is worth more than the USD.
[00:52] <Bytor4232> Built in wireless, widescreen 15.4 screen.
[00:53] <Bytor4232> The sound doesn't work, they haven't worked the kinks out in alsa for this chipset.
[00:54] <Bytor4232> BUT the wireless works, and thats whats important ;)
[00:54] <somerville32> :)
[00:55] <Bytor4232> that, and Xubuntu, my fav Distro
[00:55]  * somerville32 cheers.
[01:00] <sjefen6> how do I "bridge" (as it is called in windows) 2 nettwork cards?
[01:08] <sjefen6> isnt it possible?
[01:09] <somerville32> I imagine it is
[01:10] <somerville32> It most likely has something to do with iptables
[01:10] <s|k> I'm getting a problem where if hit space in a web form in firefox the browser crashes
[01:10] <s|k> this never happened before I upgraded to 7.10 :/
[01:10] <s|k> happens in firefox safemode too
[01:12] <somerville32> !bug
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[01:12] <sjefen6> no, it bridge the 2 nettwork cards together as if it was an wireless access point (exept with wires)
[01:16] <TheSheep> sjefen6: there is a howto on the wiki
[01:16] <sjefen6> !bridge
[01:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bridge - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:17] <TheSheep> sjefen6: the term 'bridge' is improper, bridging happens in 2nd layer, you want to do it in third layer
[01:17] <sjefen6> ok
[01:17] <TheSheep> sjefen6: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowtoNAT
[01:17] <sjefen6> tnx
[01:17] <TheSheep> I think this is is it
[01:18] <TheSheep> there might be some more on the forums
[01:22] <sjefen6> yeah, but that looked easy... I think :)
[01:34] <sjefen6> Where is /etc/network/options ? do I have to create it?
[02:10] <pidgas> anyone here use gutsy, nvidia-glx-new, and conky without trouble?
[02:11] <pidgas> in xubuntu
[02:12] <sjefen6> TheSheep: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-113749.html :(
[02:40] <sjefen6> time to sleep
[04:32] <skafiskafnjakX> WHnd I change resolution nothing happen, why?
[04:32] <skafiskafnjakX> it ask me do I want to keep new settings but screen does not change.
[04:32] <skafiskafnjakX> is there a way to fix this?
[04:33] <z> i'd like to switch from gnome to xfce and wasn't all that successful by installing the xubuntu-desktop package... is it possible to just install everything all over?
[04:35] <skafiskafnjakX> can I use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg like with ubuntu?
[04:36] <somerville32> Yup
[05:07] <skafiskafnjakX> how can I access network forlders from xubuntu?
[05:08] <somerville32> What kind of network folders?
[05:09] <skafiskafnjakX> shared foldrers on Windows computers
[05:09] <skafiskafnjakX> I installed SAMBA
[05:10] <skafiskafnjakX> I know its required
[05:10] <skafiskafnjakX> before with ubuntu I used Konkueror
[05:12] <somerville32> You'll have to install another application
[05:12] <somerville32> Thunar does not support browsing network shares.
[05:12] <skafiskafnjakX> which one?
[05:12] <somerville32> There are a number to select from
[05:13] <skafiskafnjakX> light and easy :)
[05:14] <somerville32> One moment while I perform a search.
[05:14] <somerville32> I'm not pasting a listing via a private query.
[05:14] <evil_tech> i think the one gnome uses would work
[05:15] <somerville32> The listings which I pasted via a private message/query are in the format "package name - description"
[05:15] <somerville32> linneighborhood and jags look promising
[06:37] <ubuntu> hi, when trying to install sun-java5-plugin this is what i get: E: sun-java5-bin: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2
[06:37] <ubuntu> E: sun-java5-plugin: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[07:06] <stuart-> hi guys. i'm on 7.07. can i just upgrade to 7.10 straight away? and would it screw up nvidia and my internet connection like it did before if i upgraded to the newer lniux kernel when 7.10 wasn't out?
[07:28] <somerville32> stuart-, No guarantee sorry
[09:14] <ThePub> Which service is hijacking my volume control on the keyboard?
[09:14] <ThePub> after installation my volume keys, up, down and mute worked but none of the other keys were even recognized.
[09:15] <ThePub> I'd like to disable the volume controls and instead bring all those keyboard controls on the same modmap/fluxbox configuration.
[10:10] <sd32> is xubuntu's cd a live cd?
[10:47] <PiousMinion> I can't help but notice and get irritated by the flash of light brown(human theme) I see in between the login window and xfce starting up.  Is there any way to stop that?
[10:49] <totalnoodlesface> isn't that your default desktop background color?
[10:49] <totalnoodlesface> switch it to black and see if it helps
[10:49] <totalnoodlesface> :P
[11:02] <PiousMinion> I did. no cookie.  :/
[11:06] <TheSheep> PiousMinion: change the background in the login window settings too
[11:10] <PiousMinion> nope. Both background color for desktop and login window are black, but I still get the human colored background for about 2 full seconds.
[11:11] <TheSheep> it takes you as long to just log in?
[11:12] <PiousMinion> I don't think I understand the question.
[11:13] <TheSheep> nevermind, no more ideas
[11:29] <eichi> hello
[11:29] <eichi> i want to install xubuntu on a old machine, but i cant install because the mouse doenst work
[11:29] <eichi> but its no hardware problem
[11:29] <eichi> is this a known bug? i saw this on 2 old computers
[11:33] <PiousMinion> No clue.  I'd try the alternate cd.
[11:38] <TheSheep> eichi: what kind of mouse?
[11:39] <eichi> hm
[11:39] <TheSheep> eichi: if it's a mouse connected to COM port, it cannot be autodetected
[11:39] <eichi> a normal one :P
[11:39] <TheSheep> eichi: ps/2 mouse?
[11:39] <eichi> yes
[11:39] <TheSheep> eichi: usb mouse?
[11:39] <eichi> ps/2
[11:40] <TheSheep> hmm.. should work just fine
[11:40] <TheSheep> eichi: you can alsways press alt+shift+numlock and use numpad to move the mouse cursor
[11:44] <eichi> that sounds nice
[11:44] <eichi> thanks
[12:27] <MatBoy> TheSheep, hey
[12:40] <RandyboY> Where is the settings for the display stored? Doesnt seem to store in xorg.conf... Im having problems with the settings changing over night... When i come to the computer sometimes everything is so big i just see the upper left corner... So i was wondering if i might find the specific settings and write a script so that i can start it in "my blinde" when the resolution is weird
[13:12] <Dano> my screen res is reset all the time to 800*600
[13:13] <Dano> how can I set it to 1280*1024?
[13:18] <patrickneville> hey how do you set up remote connections allowed into your xubuntu box?
[13:33] <^^Name^^> Hi. I cant use backspace when in 'screen'. any solution for that?
[14:48] <vleon> hi i have a simple question for general knowledge, i remember xfce in general and xubuntu as a single case, that there was no gui tool for resolution changing, and im rather shure that at least in 6.10 there was no tool
[14:50] <vleon> but there i downloaded xfce 6.04 to use as a medium to to install gentoo on an old pentium3 and it gave me a crappy resolution, and there i find a gui tool O_O, was it backported cause its an LTS?
[15:15] <vleon> what no one can answer? i mean not that its a crucial question but my curiosity kills me
[15:47] <vleon_> is somebody even here?
[15:56] <totalnoodlesface> wouldn't know :P
[16:05] <ThePub> don't quote me on this, but X needs to be configured a certain way first before any of the automatic tools are going to work.  And whether those are in 6 I have no clue.  I know using the radeon driver I've had it work once, but not purposefully.
[16:05] <ThePub> (and that was in XFCE)
[16:57] <camuflage> i've just instaled tvtime and would like to change the capture device, once it's has automaticaly selected the webcam
[16:57] <camuflage> instead of tv card
[16:58] <camuflage> on the option "select another source" it doesn't seem to be working when i click on it
[17:01] <helpme> go xubuntu!
[17:01] <helpme> my favorite distro
[17:23] <Adriaan_> hey
[17:50] <brick__> what IM client would you recommend that supports msn and webcam, exept for amsn.. its slow, unstable and generaly sucks.:P
[18:19] <sd32> is anybody here?
[18:21] <sd32> guess not.
[18:38] <RandyboY> Where is the settings for the display stored? Doesnt seem to store in xorg.conf... Im having problems with the settings changing over night... When i come to the computer sometimes everything is so big i just see the upper left corner... So i was wondering if i might find the specific settings and write a script so that i can start it in "my blinde" when the resolution is weird again
[18:39] <TheSheep> RandyboY: this is usually the effect of badly deected monitor
[18:40] <TheSheep> RandyboY: you can run 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' and tell it what monitor you have, then it will be saved in xorg.conf and it no need to detect it every time
[18:41] <RandyboY> TheSheep, ok, ill try that
[18:48] <RandyboY> TheSheep, now that did it :-) Now the next step; how to restart xfce from a remote ssh session?
[18:48] <RandyboY> (With the right xorg.conf)
[18:49] <TheSheep> kill X
[18:49] <TheSheep> gdm will start a new copy
[18:57] <RandyboY> TheSheep, worked too :-) And one more if i may? How and where do i disable _all_ options including screensavers end turning off screen after x minutes?
[18:58] <TheSheep> RandyboY: I guess you just don't start the screensaver
[18:58] <RandyboY> So that it _always_ stays on without the screensavers
[18:58] <TheSheep> RandyboY: some options are actually hardware, and you can disable them in bios
[18:58] <RandyboY> well, ive disbaled it, but the monitor goes blank
[18:58] <RandyboY> been there and checked, and thse are also disabled
[18:58] <RandyboY> those
[18:59] <TheSheep> it's possible that xubuntu re-sets these bios settings to some default values
[18:59] <TheSheep> somewhere in acpid settings, probably
[18:59] <RandyboY> oh? for every reboot even if ive turned it off?
[18:59] <TheSheep> not sure, don't know acpi very well
[19:00] <TheSheep> RandyboY: no, just for the time when computer is under the control of xubuntu
[19:00] <RandyboY> yeah
[19:03] <bigfuzzyjesus> anyone have any ideas for reducing memory usage in firefox/swiftfox
[19:03] <bigfuzzyjesus> opera flash support blows
[19:03] <TheSheep> bigfuzzyjesus: yes, you can explicitly tell it to use this much and not a bye more
[19:03] <TheSheep> byte
[19:03] <RandyboY> TheSheep, is there any way to change the display setting for the bootup too?
[19:03] <bigfuzzyjesus> TheSheep, how
[19:03] <TheSheep> RandyboY: /etc/usplash.conf I think
[19:04] <TheSheep> bigfuzzyjesus: there is an option in about:config, can't rememeber exact name
[19:05] <bigfuzzyjesus> TheSheep, i will look into that
[19:05] <TheSheep> firefox will still make the x server use a lo of ram
[19:06] <TheSheep> for storing all the rendered tabs as X bitmaps
[19:06] <bigfuzzyjesus> my laptop has gone screwy so until i can buy another i am on a 900mhz 256mb computer
[19:06] <bigfuzzyjesus> yeah
[19:06] <bigfuzzyjesus> alrighty, i am going to switch WM (i am using fluxbox) then do a upgrade to gutsy
[19:06] <TheSheep> onesolution is to force yourself to use less tabs
[19:06] <bigfuzzyjesus> hah
[19:07] <bigfuzzyjesus> good luck
[19:07]  * bigfuzzyjesus is a tab addict
[19:07] <RandyboY> TheSheep, where can i make a script which get executed after im logged in?
[19:07] <bigfuzzyjesus> i tab windows on fluxbox :)
[19:07] <TheSheep> bigfuzzyjesus: I have tabs disabled and it's ok
[19:07] <bigfuzzyjesus> TheSheep, i might try that
[19:07] <TheSheep> RandyboY: settings->autostarted applications
[19:07] <bigfuzzyjesus> maybe
[19:07] <bigfuzzyjesus> if it gets really bad
[19:07] <bigfuzzyjesus> brb
[19:08] <RandyboY> TheSheep, thanks alot. Youve been most helpful in very short time :-)
[19:08] <TheSheep> :)
[19:09] <MatBoy> TheSheep, do I have to report that XFCE / KRDC full screen issue ?
[19:09] <bigfuzzyjesus> alrighty
[19:10] <bigfuzzyjesus> now i am in xfce
[19:13] <TheSheep> MatBoy: it would be wise if you want to have it fixed
[19:13] <TheSheep> MatBoy: developers can't really fix something they don't know about
[19:13] <zeroflag> any suggestion for a movieplayer that doesn't chop my movie into 10second slices like totem?
[19:13] <bigfuzzyjesus> hopefully this will be my first glitch free upgrade
[19:13] <TheSheep> bigfuzzyjesus: good luck
[19:13] <TheSheep> zeroflag: sounds like codec problems
[19:13] <TheSheep> zeroflag: try vlc
[19:14] <bigfuzzyjesus> TheSheep, i have never had one before, on probably 5 machines from breezy (when i started) to now
[19:17] <bigfuzzyjesus> this will probably also be the fastest... i am dloading at 500kb/s
[19:54] <nny> hi
[19:54] <nny> is therw a super minimum install howto for xubuntu
[19:58] <nny> found a howto for starting with server, shoudl suffice  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/Low MemorySystems thanks
[20:51] <bart_> anyone notice how the mouse cursor acts weird when I change it to a different one?  It switches back and forth to the default cursor when i move it over the top bar or certain windows.
[21:11] <PegLeg> anyone know howto control the powermanager.  it blanks my screen after 10 minutes, would like to bump it up to 1 hour if possible.
[21:14] <TheSheep> PegLeg: I'd guess it's in the screensaver settings?
[21:16] <PegLeg> TheSheep, i don't see it in there, i have my screensaver going with random, and there are'nt any power settings, but i will look in there and see if i'm missing something.
[21:18] <VysetheLegend> Hey, juys. I was wondering how well Xubuntu runs on a tablet PC.
[21:21] <PegLeg> it's real fast and light on a pc, takes hardly any memory compared to the other DE's
[21:23] <PegLeg> my mouse pointer keeps bouncing back and forth to the default pointer after i change it.  anyone have that problem?
[21:28] <nny> so what is the preferred method for wireless on Xfce??
[22:03] <Ow1> nny: on xubuntu 7.10 you can use network manager
[22:03] <Ow1> and is also recomended :)
[22:17] <nny> Owl I have a very minimal disk (4 gb) so trying to avoid gnome deps... i'll have to see how many package sit needs on a fresh install
[22:27] <nny> Ow1, sorry got your name wrong
[22:29] <Ow1> hm.... network-manager should be the way to go. It has a daemon (cross desktop) and a gnome and kde frontend.
[22:29] <Ow1> i have'n search the net, maybe there is a gtk only frontend
[22:30] <nny> Ow1, yeah working with xfce guys on a program called airconfig and I have sacrificed many small animals to get to this point
[22:31] <nny> hopefully the required packages aren't too much
[22:31] <nny> Ow1, whats the best way to invoke the manager in XFCE?
[22:31] <nny> is there a front end like nm-applet in xfce?
[22:32] <Ow1> I'm using nm-applet
[22:32] <nny> really
[22:32] <nny> add it as a launcher?
[22:32] <nny> or autostart app?
[22:32] <Ow1> autostart
[22:32] <nny> k will try brb
[22:32] <Ow1> and stayis in the notification area
[23:12] <nny> Ow1, is there a way to stop gnome volume manger, etc. from running ? I am still using gnome-volume manger, and nautilus seems to want to run, I installed xubuntu-desktop and remove ubuntu-desktop to no avail
[23:14] <Ow1> from xfce session i've uncked compatibily -> gnome startup
[23:14] <nny> yeah i did too, to no avail
[23:15] <Ow1> aaaaaa. you want to use nautilus without gnome-volume-manager?
[23:15] <Ow1> i think this is not posible
[23:15] <nny> neither really
[23:15] <Ow1> use thunar
[23:15] <nny> trying to remove all gnome from startup 9or at least as much as possible)
[23:15] <nny> yeah but it autostarts all the gnome bs
[23:16] <Ow1> you should try xubunut-system-tools
[23:16] <Ow1> and there are other gnome specific tools without gnome support
[23:16] <Ow1> but i'm also new to xubunut and xfce
[23:17] <Ow1> and like you i'm trying to get rid of all extre gnome/xfce services
[23:18] <Ow1> my goal is to have a linux system using less than 256 memory and i'm not very happy with the current results
[23:18] <nny> yeah me too
[23:18] <nny> i have an eee pc coming
[23:18] <nny> testing on my desktop
[23:20] <nny> about to just download ubuntu server and start there
[23:20] <nny> well gusty alternate
[23:20] <nny> and just add as needed
[23:20] <nny> eee pc only has 4gb of storage, so light is key
[23:21] <nny> going to try somethign drastic
[23:21] <nny> apt-get remove gnome*
[23:21] <nny> and then reinstall xubuntu-desktop
[23:23] <nny> this is gonna be hilarious
[23:24] <PegLeg> my mouse pointer keeps bouncing back and forth to the default pointer after i change it.  anyone have that problem?
[23:24] <Ow1> nny: try to downloand and install xubuntu-alternate
[23:24] <nny> hahah things breaking
[23:24] <nny> will do for my laptop
[23:25] <Ow1> you will have a gnome-clean install
[23:25] <nny> just testing things here on my desktop
[23:26] <nny> break!!!
[23:27] <nny> i thnk i am gonna use alt cd always.. too much garbage on stock install
[23:27] <Ow1> :)
[23:29] <nny> gah why does xubuntu-desktop have so muany gnome libraries??
[23:30] <Ow1> http://janimo.blogspot.com/2007/10/xubuntu-gutsy-status.html
[23:30] <Ow1> the gtk apps are buggy and featureless
[23:31] <nny> ok so i think things may break here... I have xfce4 installed... need nmapplet
[23:32] <Ow1> thinks are going down on this side too :(
[23:33] <nny> installing network-manager-gnome
[23:33] <nny> 25 megs of space though
[23:33] <nny> trying to eliminate such tings
[23:33] <nny> things*
[23:33] <nny> may just download alt cd tomorrow and roll with it
[23:34] <nny> at least I'll have a wired connection
[23:34] <nny> ok network-manager-gnome is installed
[23:34] <nny> going to install a login manager and reboot, see what is left
[23:35] <nny> if i don't see ya, i broke something, will login via windows though
[23:35] <nny> brb
[23:36] <PegLeg> i am trying to adjust how long it takes for my screen to turn off - i don't see any setting for that in screensaver
[23:38] <nny> holy moly
[23:38] <nny> works
[23:38] <nny> and tons of stuff removed
[23:39] <nny> all gnome games, and other BS
[23:39] <nny> using thunar
[23:39] <nny> compiz still works
[23:39] <nny> i basically did a apt-get remove gnome* and than apt-get install network-manager-gnome and rebooted
[23:39] <nny> still have nm-applet too
[23:40] <nny> lost totem, which will not be missed
[23:40] <nny> hey
[23:40] <nny> oops thought you were here
[23:40] <nny> works well
[23:40] <nny> all gnome bs is gone
[23:40] <Ow1> :)
[23:40] <nny> apt-get remove gnome* and apt-get install network-manager-gnome
[23:41] <nny> done
[23:41] <nny> and lots of crap gone
[23:42] <nny> was ugin avant window manger, gonna see if there is a way to make it xfce friendly or not use avant
[23:45] <Ow1> don't use avant.... is unstable
[23:46] <Ow1> forget about composite for the next year... maybe later we will some good video drivers and mature composite managers
[23:47] <nny> i am using compiz now
[23:47] <nny> works great
[23:47] <nny> nvidia
[23:54] <nny> cool
[23:54] <nny> works nicely
[23:54] <nny> no more gnomes
[23:54] <nny> so much quicker
[23:54] <nny> which is sad, cause i have an amd X2 4800 2 gigs of ram and an nvidia 8600
[23:56] <quittt> how do I change the Ubuntu on grup to XUbuntu?
[23:58] <Ow1> Ubuntu on grup to XUbuntu... what is that?
[23:59] <crimsun> I think s/he means "grub" menu option(s)
[23:59] <quittt> grub
[23:59] <quittt> yes