| mhb | manchicken: how about making adept updater look like this: | 00:10 |
|---|---|---|
| mhb | manchicken: http://mhb.ath.cx/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/updater-suggested.png | 00:10 |
| mhb | manchicken: I must admit, I like simple dialogs for simple tasks | 00:11 |
| ryanakca | hmm... any reason packagekit hasn't already been packaged? | 01:49 |
| Jucato | whoa? Kivio stencils for sale? O.o | 01:53 |
| seele | yeah | 01:54 |
| seele | you can also request stencils to be made for a price | 01:54 |
| seele | if only kivio was good enough to be worth that.. | 01:54 |
| Jucato | :) | 01:55 |
| * Jucato is still looking for a UI-wireframing app :) | 01:55 | |
| seele | if you find an OSS one, let me know | 01:55 |
| seele | ive been looking for years | 01:55 |
| seele | afaik dia is better than kivio, but still no match for visio | 01:55 |
| Jucato | uh oh... :) | 01:55 |
| seele | and since it is a major part of my job function, i cant waste time with a sub-par application | 01:56 |
| Jucato | if you haven't found one for years... I doubt I can find one in a few hours :D | 01:56 |
| seele | frustration is not a consultant's friend | 01:56 |
| seele | yeah | 01:56 |
| Jucato | :) | 01:57 |
| nixternal | I haven't used Visio since like 1998....I heard it is gotten really good over the past few releases...maybe I will have to check it out | 01:58 |
| Jucato | nixternal!!!! | 01:59 |
| seele | nixternal: try to get an older version that doesnt have the ribbon | 01:59 |
| seele | i still haven't figured it out | 01:59 |
| nixternal | you can disable the ribbon and go back to classic view...I watched someone in class do it last week | 02:00 |
| seele | ooh | 02:00 |
| * seele does that right now | 02:00 | |
| nixternal | installing Visio Pro 2007 now | 02:00 |
| Jucato | is there a demo version of Visio? :D | 02:00 |
| nixternal | I am sure there is | 02:00 |
| seele | a demo version of a microsoft product? | 02:00 |
| nixternal | heh, they actually have those now | 02:01 |
| Jucato | hehe my diagramming wants are really simple... UML, Flowchart, generic diagrams, and possibly UI wireframing... Umbrello takes care of the first 2... | 02:01 |
| nixternal | UML == Umbrello | 02:01 |
| nixternal | I use Kivio for flowcharting | 02:02 |
| nixternal | if I flowchart | 02:02 |
| nixternal | UI wireframing I never did much of...I would alway draw it out in the UI dev software | 02:02 |
| Jucato | :P | 02:02 |
| nixternal | maybe next time I will read your entire sentence before commenting :p | 02:02 |
| * Jucato wants to specialize in UI (a bit of usability, but more on programming and desing) | 02:03 | |
| Jucato | er.. design | 02:03 |
| Jucato | kivio's UML stencils are a bit... :) | 02:03 |
| nixternal | I took 2 UI design courses, just finished up the 2nd one a couple of months ago | 02:04 |
| Jucato | kool! | 02:04 |
| nixternal | heh, the UI I used to program was nasty stuff | 02:04 |
| nixternal | HMI Panels for Allen Bradley | 02:04 |
| nixternal | it wasn't until we switched from the HMI panels to PCs where I got to do nice 3d panels | 02:04 |
| Jucato | they actually have UI courses? sweet! :) | 02:04 |
| nixternal | I know our universities here do, at least the ones I know | 02:05 |
| nixternal | I just started taking CS courses...got my Bachelors at University of Maryland (GO TERPS!) in Business | 02:05 |
| crimsun | only a few miles from here! | 02:07 |
| Jucato | I bet that if there were ever any UI design-related courses/classes here, it would either be Java or Visual Foo | 02:07 |
| nixternal | College Park baby! | 02:07 |
| crimsun | my gf lives in CP | 02:07 |
| nixternal | The only place I really frequented up there was Congressional Golf Course in Bethesda | 02:08 |
| nixternal | and Chevy Chase, only because I almost bought a house there when I worked for Fannie Mae | 02:08 |
| nixternal | holy smokes, I just downloaded 9mb in 2 seconds | 02:08 |
| Jucato | seele: wow! there is a free trial of visio! lol! :D | 02:14 |
| Jucato | of course I have to sign-in/up :P | 02:14 |
| nixternal | haha | 02:15 |
| Jucato | luckily I have a hotmail account... | 02:15 |
| nixternal | interesting...my Visio 2007 Pro doesn't have the ribbon | 02:16 |
| jjesse | hello nixternal and Jucato | 02:26 |
| Jucato | jjesse!!! | 02:26 |
| Jucato | back from UDS? | 02:26 |
| jjesse | yeah got back friday night late | 02:26 |
| jjesse | like 11:45 or so | 02:26 |
| Riddell | jjesse: sorry I didn't say goodbye | 02:26 |
| Riddell | thanks for coming | 02:27 |
| jjesse | Riddell: no problem, i had a great time ,looking forward to the next one :) | 02:27 |
| jjesse | Riddell: you guys in plymouth already? | 02:28 |
| Riddell | yes, arrived this evening | 02:28 |
| Riddell | we played the Canonical IRC Bingo game | 02:28 |
| jjesse | which is? | 02:28 |
| Riddell | a game of bingo with canonical names and you have to match 5 in a row of irc names | 02:29 |
| jjesse | sounds like fun | 02:29 |
| nixternal | howdy jjesse | 02:31 |
| jjesse | howdy nixternal | 02:31 |
| Riddell | hi hdevalence | 02:32 |
| hdevalence | hey guys, I want to experiment with kde/qt, but i think my moc is broken | 02:32 |
| hdevalence | hey | 02:32 |
| Riddell | hdevalence: are you using qmake? | 02:33 |
| hdevalence | Riddell: either qmake or when I follow the instructions on the kde techbase tutorials or when i try to build someone else's program from source with ./configure and then make.. | 02:34 |
| hdevalence | none work | 02:34 |
| hdevalence | and I have the -dev packages installed | 02:34 |
| Riddell | hdevalence: qt 3 or qt4? | 02:36 |
| hdevalence | Riddell: Both. | 02:36 |
| hdevalence | Riddell: Could that be what's causing the problem? | 02:37 |
| nixternal | seele: what template do you use for wireframing? | 02:37 |
| Riddell | hdevalence: it could be calling the moc from the wrong qt indeed | 02:37 |
| hdevalence | Riddel: Adept says I have libqt4-dev but I don't see a libqt3-dev | 02:40 |
| crimsun | missing -mt | 02:40 |
| crimsun | (libqt3-mt-dev) | 02:41 |
| hdevalence | oh yes I do have that | 02:41 |
| hdevalence | I also have qt4-dev-tools and qt3-dev-tools | 02:42 |
| hdevalence | I have all of the kde4 packages except kde4addons and kde4addons-data | 02:43 |
| crimsun | be aware that if you use ./configure, you need to set the appropriate prefix | 02:43 |
| crimsun | Qt prefix, that is. | 02:43 |
| crimsun | I'm surmising you need /usr/share/qt4 | 02:44 |
| hdevalence | crimsun: How do I do that? | 02:44 |
| crimsun | --with-qt-dir=/usr/share/qt4 | 02:45 |
| hdevalence | I hear that 8.04 will not include kde 4. Is this true? | 02:48 |
| jjesse | kde4 will not be a part of the long term support release | 02:48 |
| jjesse | there will be some ISO cretaed that will include KDE4 but not as a part of 8.04 | 02:49 |
| dasKreech | hi crimsun | 02:50 |
| crimsun | (hi) | 02:50 |
| jjesse | hdevalence: did that answer your question? | 02:51 |
| hdevalence | jjesse: so basically I can get an iso that uses kde3.5.etc OR an iso that uses kde4? | 02:51 |
| jjesse | hdevalence: the long term supported version of 8.04 will include kde 3 | 02:52 |
| dasKreech | Jucato or Jucato_: Why UI? | 02:52 |
| Jucato | dasKreech: why why UI? | 02:52 |
| jjesse | so if you want long term suport you need to use 8.04 | 02:52 |
| nixternal | hdevalence: you will be able to get a KDE 4 Live CD that is 7.10 | 02:52 |
| Jucato_ | dasKreech: why why UI? | 02:52 |
| dasKreech | heh | 02:53 |
| dasKreech | I started looking at game design cause it's one of the few places taht still seriously review UI design | 02:53 |
| dasKreech | btw I think I like the OpenSuse cd more than the Debian KDE4 cd though the Debian is less annoying | 02:54 |
| Jucato | dasKreech: I'm referring mostly to desktop GUI | 02:55 |
| dasKreech | I know | 02:55 |
| dasKreech | but there are generally so many assumptions there it's really annoying | 02:56 |
| Jucato | Fitt's law giving you fits? :) | 02:56 |
| dasKreech | heehee | 02:57 |
| dasKreech | Hihi ^ ^ | 03:09 |
| dasKreech | Anyone played the new pingus? | 03:09 |
| dasKreech | crimsun: Would I be right in saying that pulseaudio would be a backend to phonon? | 03:10 |
| * Jucato is confuzzled about what he read about pulseaudio... | 03:11 | |
| dasKreech | Yeah me too | 03:11 |
| dasKreech | sounds like a copy of Phonon without the multiple backends | 03:12 |
| Jucato | if I read it correctly (from liquidat) it sits between ALSA and GStreamer/Xine... | 03:12 |
| Jucato | while Phonon sits between the app and the backend... so it's not really like Phonon... | 03:12 |
| dasKreech | feature set sounds like it | 03:12 |
| Jucato | which is why I'm confuzzled :) | 03:12 |
| dasKreech | But yeah it sounds like a backend to phonon | 03:13 |
| Jucato | or a backend to Xine/Gstreamer... O.o | 03:13 |
| Riddell | pulseaudio is a sound server, a replacement for esd or the mixer part of arts | 03:13 |
| dasKreech | Oh | 03:13 |
| dasKreech | now I am confused | 03:13 |
| Jucato | :D | 03:13 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: sounds evil =) | 03:13 |
| Jucato | I try not to dive into hardware and sound... :) | 03:13 |
| Riddell | xine is mostly just a decoder, while gstreamer is a framework to do decoding or encoding | 03:13 |
| * dasKreech laughs | 03:32 | |
| dasKreech | I told a friend that feisty was really solid but lacked a lot of nice features whereas gutsy has lots of features but bugs sprinkled around the place | 03:32 |
| dasKreech | he responded: So it became Windows? | 03:32 |
| dasKreech | nixternal: ping | 03:49 |
| nixternal | dasKreech: pong | 04:06 |
| dasKreech | tried gos? | 04:06 |
| nixternal | ya | 04:08 |
| dasKreech | thoughts? | 04:09 |
| nixternal | not for me honestly, didn't boot on the intel core 2 | 04:09 |
| nixternal | it felt like all flash and no go | 04:10 |
| dasKreech | So you gnash-ed your teeth? | 04:10 |
| nixternal | heh | 04:10 |
| nixternal | jjesse: are you writing that article for Linux+ or should I do it? I told the lady I would get back with her a week ago and I haven't yet | 04:31 |
| Jucato | gOS... | 04:40 |
| dasKreech | nixternal: http://themasterchief.stumbleupon.com/review/13841275/ | 05:08 |
| nixternal | heh, nice | 05:27 |
| dasKreech | FOG is Open Sorce | 05:57 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee hobbs hob :) | 07:33 |
| Hobbsee | hiya Jucato! | 07:37 |
| Jucato | how's life so far? :D | 07:37 |
| Hobbsee | too much crap to do :( | 07:37 |
| Hobbsee | apart from that, good :) | 07:38 |
| Jucato | heheh | 07:38 |
| * Jucato has a lot of stuff to do... but can't figure out how/when/where to start :/ | 07:38 | |
| Hobbsee | same here, pretty much | 07:40 |
| Hobbsee | start with the stuff that needs doing first | 07:40 |
| * Jucato thinks hard... | 07:42 | |
| Jucato | I should probably do... hm.. chocolate! | 07:42 |
| Hobbsee | mmm...chocolate... | 07:47 |
| Tonio_ | hi everyone | 10:11 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ping ? | 10:11 |
| Hobbsee | he'll be asleep | 10:11 |
| Tonio_ | ah ok | 10:12 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: did you notice the hudge criticisms dolphin by default receives ? | 10:12 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: we should have removed the default mimetype association as we suggested :( | 10:13 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: and I hope that'll be done for hardy | 10:13 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: i havent, no | 10:13 |
| Tonio_ | it's too buggy and misses too many features to be used by default, ihmo | 10:13 |
| Tonio_ | or in any case we should provide a way so that people can switch back to konqueror graphically | 10:14 |
| Lure | Tonio_: there is a way: remove dolphin package | 10:15 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: which is not nice imho | 10:15 |
| Lure | Tonio_: why not - if they do not like it, they can remove it | 10:16 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: coding a little component chooser kcm as there is for the web browser for example, that would be nice | 10:16 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: hum, sure they can remove it | 10:16 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: btw, I think that the default file manager has to be as stable as possible | 10:17 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: and honnestly dolphin lacks too many features (ark integration) and is too buggy to be used by default | 10:17 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: don't you think ? | 10:17 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: there are a lot of criticisms over the web concerning that choice | 10:18 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: tbh, i havent been regularly using kubuntu since the release | 10:20 |
| Lure | Tonio_: I do my file mgmt in command line, so I do not cosider myself to be appropriate to make a decision on this ;-) | 10:20 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: hehe ;) | 10:21 |
| * Lure is wondering if somebody can kick Hobbsee out of this channel ;-) | 10:21 | |
| Jucato | !d3lphin | 10:21 |
| ubotu | Dolphin, or more properly D3lphin, is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror - Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory and inode/system_directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin. | 10:21 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: I tried to use dolphin all day long, it quickly becomes pretty hard.... | 10:21 |
| Lure | Tonio_: ^^^ that is not that bad | 10:21 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: my mother would never come to this :) | 10:22 |
| Lure | thanks Hobbsee - i was expecting it ;-) | 10:22 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: a way to graphically choose the default would be nice | 10:22 |
| Lure | Jucato: can we add something like this also to release notes and kubuntu.org? | 10:22 |
| Jucato | Tonio_, Lure: considering that the lead d3lphin developer seems to have stopped working on d3lphin, and since Hardy will be LTS, it might not be a good idea to leave it as default... unless we're willing to maintain d3lphin.... | 10:22 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: :) | 10:22 |
| Jucato | s/lead/lone/ | 10:23 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: the reason I suggested to remove this as default was the lacking of this | 10:23 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: exactly | 10:23 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: if we can fix the bugs on it, then keep it | 10:23 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: but it's unlikely to be done I suspect.... | 10:24 |
| Jucato | Tonio_: too many bugs, too many features lacking... | 10:24 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: features lacking -> appart from ark integration I don't agree | 10:24 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: bugs -> I definatelly agree | 10:25 |
| * Jucato considers lacking features as bugs too :P | 10:25 | |
| * Hobbsee considers Jucato a bug :P | 10:25 | |
| Jucato | imho, it's not really worth it, and indirectly biases users against dolphin in kde4... | 10:25 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: please don't eat me :) | 10:25 |
| Hobbsee | mmm....tasty | 10:25 |
| Jucato | noooo!!! | 10:25 |
| * Hobbsee nibbles on Jucatofingers | 10:26 | |
| Jucato | ey leave some for me!!! I'm starving!! | 10:26 |
| Serega | I have a suspiction my kubuntu-devel maillist subscription doesn't work :( | 12:27 |
| Serega | I have post two messages, but haven't recevied even my own letters | 12:29 |
| Serega | could anybody say me: how many letters was in kubuntu-devel during last 3-4 days? | 12:30 |
| Jucato | you don't receive your own messages afaik | 12:30 |
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| Hobbsee | Serega: 2 from you | 12:33 |
| Serega | Jucato: I've set the preference to receive own | 12:38 |
| Serega | Hobbsee: and was there any mails from others? | 12:38 |
| Hobbsee | Serega: no | 12:38 |
| Jucato | Serega: well so far I've received both your e-mails | 12:39 |
| Serega | nice, maybe I only can't receive own | 12:39 |
| * Jucato has never been able to receive his own | 12:39 | |
| Jucato | Topic: kubuntu dev needed http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3088379 | 12:41 |
| Jucato | heheh :) | 12:41 |
| Serega | Jucato: cool! | 12:43 |
| Jucato | haha that's not from me. can't vouch for it either | 12:43 |
| Jucato | just came across it :) | 12:44 |
| Serega | Jucato: sounds like sponsoring kubuntu :) | 12:46 |
| Jucato | or just one developer to work for a private company :) | 12:46 |
| Hobbsee | i'd say the latter | 12:47 |
| Hobbsee | looks interesting, though | 12:47 |
| Serega | Jucato: but as I understand they should share their changes with community | 12:47 |
| Jucato | they should :) | 12:48 |
| Hobbsee | well, the post-config app easily could be | 12:49 |
| Hobbsee | id' imagine it to be something like kpersonalizer | 12:49 |
| Hobbsee | metapackage stuff is unsharable, anyway | 12:50 |
| Jucato | it is? aw... | 12:51 |
| Hobbsee | well, we wouldnt be replacing k-d with it :) | 12:52 |
| Jucato | definitely :) | 12:52 |
| dasKreech | hi all! | 12:52 |
| * Jucato hides in a korner | 12:52 | |
| Serega | dasKreech: Hi! | 12:53 |
| * Jucato konceals in a korner, konsuming a kookie | 12:53 | |
| * Serega laughs | 12:53 | |
| dasKreech | hi Serega!! | 12:56 |
| * dasKreech hugs Jucato and Hobbsee | 12:56 | |
| Jucato | *gasp* I was koncealed!! | 12:57 |
| * dasKreech konfound your koncealment! | 12:57 | |
| dasKreech | Umm | 12:57 |
| * Hobbsee hugs dasKreech | 12:57 | |
| dasKreech | no /me :) | 12:57 |
| * Hobbsee browses the forums | 12:59 | |
| Hobbsee | "oh look, i removed what i didnt know about, and it killed my system" | 12:59 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: yes. adept strikes again | 12:59 |
| Jucato | I don't blame them though | 12:59 |
| Jucato | that has been one of the most reported bug/complaint since I used Kubuntu... | 13:00 |
| Hobbsee | adept doesnt *do* autoremove, does it? | 13:00 |
| Jucato | no afaik.. but it doesn't warn you if something will remove everything as well :) | 13:01 |
| Jucato | if something, somehow, triggers a removal of a lot of packages, the only way you're going to get a clue that it's going to remove a lot of packages, is through the status bar... | 13:02 |
| Hobbsee | oh, true | 13:02 |
| dasKreech | oh hmm | 13:02 |
| dasKreech | never thought of that | 13:02 |
| Hobbsee | yes, i've long wished adept would actually show me the damned console, for big things. | 13:02 |
| dasKreech | I always check myself | 13:02 |
| dasKreech | Just part of hitting appy changes | 13:03 |
| Jucato | not many people actually expect that they would have to click on Review changes on their own | 13:03 |
| dasKreech | Thats's a good point | 13:03 |
| Jucato | oh shift! I've been DW'ed! | 13:04 |
| Hobbsee | DW'ed? | 13:04 |
| Serega | mmm... disc space delta can be seen in Adept's statusbar | 13:04 |
| Jucato | DistroWatched | 13:04 |
| Hobbsee | ahh | 13:05 |
| Jucato | at least it hasn't been dugg.... or worse, /.'ed ! | 13:05 |
| Hobbsee | Serega: it's not absolutely clear, yes | 13:05 |
| dasKreech | /me obligingly shifts | 13:05 |
| Serega | Hobbsee: size often is far from package count ;] | 13:05 |
| Hobbsee | oh, indeed | 13:06 |
| dasKreech | Serega: No if something may be more drastic than a user inteded it shuld be instantly obvious | 13:06 |
| dasKreech | good UI | 13:06 |
| Jucato | unfortunately, mornfall has objected to any form of confirmation dialogs... | 13:06 |
| dasKreech | Now Jucato did you want a bit shift a paradigm shift or a quantum shift? | 13:06 |
| Jucato | organic shift | 13:07 |
| Jucato | morning jjesse! | 13:07 |
| dasKreech | Jucato: Good thing we can patch his app eh? | 13:07 |
| jjesse | evening Jucato | 13:07 |
| dasKreech | Well I wonder if we can have a first run tutorial for adept | 13:07 |
| Jucato | er... no... | 13:08 |
| Jucato | remember, "we hate first-run-everything!" | 13:08 |
| Hobbsee | dasKreech: first run things are evil. | 13:08 |
| Hobbsee | although i note synaptic has one | 13:08 |
| dasKreech | Yes it does | 13:08 |
| Serega | :) | 13:08 |
| dasKreech | and ours would be prettier | 13:08 |
| * Hobbsee tries removing ubuntu-desktop, and seeing what happens | 13:08 | |
| dasKreech | in case mornfall had great objections to our letting people know that Adept is actually doingit's job | 13:09 |
| dasKreech | :-P | 13:09 |
| * Serega worders Hobbsee uses ubuntu-desktop | 13:09 | |
| dasKreech | Serega: Shhhhhhhhh she'll poke you | 13:09 |
| dasKreech | !hobbsee | 13:09 |
| ubotu | I phear the stick so shhhhh | 13:09 |
| Hobbsee | hum. | 13:11 |
| Hobbsee | apparently it says there are none to autoremove too | 13:11 |
| * Serega doesn't understand :( | 13:11 | |
| Hobbsee | Serega: yes, i'm running ubuntu atm. | 13:11 |
| dasKreech | Hobbsee: try removing libgtk | 13:12 |
| Hobbsee | i'm not stupid. i fixed X yesterday | 13:12 |
| * Hobbsee purges tracker again | 13:12 | |
| dasKreech | well libkde4a2c then | 13:12 |
| Hobbsee | i'd prefer to keep amarok :) | 13:12 |
| dasKreech | That should strip out all KDE packages | 13:12 |
| Hobbsee | but yes, it does warn things if you remove dependancies | 13:12 |
| Hobbsee | er, it does warn about what it will remove | 13:13 |
| dasKreech | Not like you are hitting apply just want to see if it would remove stuff right? | 13:13 |
| Hobbsee | allthough, i suspect the guy is a feisty user | 13:13 |
| Hobbsee | i wanted to test autoremove :) | 13:13 |
| * dasKreech hands everyone pitchforks to chase Jucato | 13:15 | |
| Serega | what's wrong with Jucato? | 13:16 |
| dasKreech | oh he's expecting to be chased for his Blog entry :) | 13:17 |
| Serega | dasKreech: blog entry? | 13:17 |
| dasKreech | Can't dissapoint now can we :) | 13:17 |
| dasKreech | http://jucato.org/blog/quo-vadis-kubuntu/ | 13:17 |
| * Jucato is soooo dead... | 13:23 | |
| * dasKreech pokes him with a pitchforK | 13:24 | |
| * Jucato kries... | 13:24 | |
| dasKreech | Seems alive | 13:24 |
| dasKreech | Right | 13:26 |
| dasKreech | breakfast | 13:26 |
| Serega | Jucato: "Why have we started to define ourselves, define our features, define our roadmap, based on what Ubuntu has?" Perfect! | 13:31 |
| nixternal | Riddell: In regards the covermount, would it be possible we download Kubuntu 7.10 via | 13:32 |
| nixternal | FTP? L+DVD features 2 4GB DVDs. Could you provide us with additional (any | 13:32 |
| nixternal | most popular) packages we could fill our 4GB DVD and devote it only to your | 13:32 |
| nixternal | distribution? Could you help me in this matter? | 13:32 |
| nixternal | any ideas? this is for the Linux+ article | 13:32 |
| Jucato | (oh nixternal's awayke.. time to hide) | 13:32 |
| Jucato | er... awake* | 13:32 |
| nixternal | muhehehe | 13:32 |
| Hobbsee | !visternal | 13:32 |
| ubotu | Oh no! The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived! He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too! | 13:32 |
| nixternal | oh lord, just when you thought it was safe to go back in, Hobbsee shows up :p | 13:33 |
| Hobbsee | haha | 13:33 |
| Serega | Hobbsee: is there short funny message for all members?) | 13:33 |
| nixternal | !hobbsee | 13:33 |
| ubotu | I phear the stick so shhhhh | 13:33 |
| dasKreech | Only the cool ones :) | 13:33 |
| nixternal | pretty much just us two I think | 13:33 |
| Serega | !dasKreech | 13:34 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about daskreech - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi | 13:34 |
| nixternal | hahah, only the superkool ones, remember that | 13:34 |
| Serega | heh | 13:34 |
| dasKreech | Right right | 13:34 |
| Serega | :) | 13:34 |
| dasKreech | the KrazyKool | 13:34 |
| Hobbsee | Serega: nope :) | 13:34 |
| Hobbsee | Serega: only some of the really strange ones, like nixternal :P | 13:34 |
| nixternal | and you too! | 13:34 |
| Serega | :-D | 13:34 |
| Jucato | she did say "some of the really strange ones" :D | 13:34 |
| Jucato | and since she has one... | 13:34 |
| nixternal | she is lord of the strange ones | 13:35 |
| * Jucato whistles innocently | 13:35 | |
| Jucato | er lady... | 13:35 |
| nixternal | hehe | 13:35 |
| Jucato | or lord.. whichever she prefers | 13:35 |
| * Hobbsee is a green alien. | 13:35 | |
| Hobbsee | lady. | 13:35 |
| nixternal | hahaha | 13:35 |
| nixternal | you want to talk about confusing...Dolphin shows <b>IP ADDRESS</b> in the status bar when connecting to SFTP, yet Konqueror shows the IP bolded and not the raw tags | 13:36 |
| nixternal | I have gone through konqi's code, dolphin's code, and kstatusbar.h, as well as the io slave code for sftp, and it is one big circle | 13:37 |
| nixternal | I need to look at dolphin and konqi and see how they are handling the kstatusbar | 13:37 |
| Jucato | d3lphin has always been funKy | 13:38 |
| dasKreech | ehy dolphin's aren't the smartest creatures on earth | 13:38 |
| dasKreech | mice are | 13:38 |
| Jucato | and yet only roaches will survive! | 13:39 |
| Serega | :) | 13:40 |
| dasKreech | All from Chicago | 13:48 |
| dasKreech | Jucato: ping | 13:49 |
| Jucato | pong | 13:49 |
| dasKreech | reading the comments on DW ? | 13:49 |
| Jucato | about 15 minutes ago | 13:50 |
| Serega | DW published a link to the blog? | 13:52 |
| dasKreech | KDE is not modular? | 13:52 |
| Jucato | (un)fortunately, DW did... | 13:52 |
| dasKreech | Hey it's not digg | 13:52 |
| Jucato | dasKreech: I intend to blog about that misconception soon. but I need to get more technical confirmation :) | 13:53 |
| * dasKreech points handily at webkit/KHTML | 13:53 | |
| * Jucato won't even start about that | 13:53 | |
| dasKreech | good proof though | 13:56 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: pong | 13:59 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hey ;) | 14:00 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: how was the UDS ? | 14:00 |
| Serega | Riddell: hi | 14:00 |
| Riddell | nixternal: pardon? | 14:00 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: wanted to get your opinion on dolphin.... I got a lot of very negative comments about its integration by default.... | 14:00 |
| Riddell | I think I'll have to close my laptop in a moment | 14:00 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I was just thinking about the next LTS release, if you think about keep this or switch back to konqueror | 14:00 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: I can't see much point in removing it, they'll have to get used to it soon | 14:01 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: better fix bugs in it then ? | 14:01 |
| dasKreech | Gnome couldn't possibly have that discussion | 14:01 |
| _buz | Tonio_: here's one more, i absolutely hate the thing | 14:01 |
| dasKreech | Jucato_: Who's this now? | 14:02 |
| * dasKreech passes out torches | 14:02 | |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: well I have to go in a meeting at work, better discuss this when I'm on my contrib day :) | 14:02 |
| nixternal | Riddell: that is for the Linux+ article on Kubuntu I guess I am doing...she wants to know what else besides the Kubuntu DVD we can give her I guess | 14:05 |
| jjesse | nixternal: which article are you writing? i was/am supposed to do one as well | 14:06 |
| Jucato | yay for more articles! :D | 14:06 |
| nixternal | jjesse: I thought so, but you never responded....it needs to be done quickly | 14:06 |
| nixternal | I have been chatting with Linux+ for the past week or so via email | 14:06 |
| jjesse | nixternal: ah ok, i sent him an email that i was swamped at UDS boston and could get to it next week | 14:06 |
| dasKreech | The certs guys> | 14:06 |
| jjesse | nixternal: but if yo ugot it done | 14:07 |
| dasKreech | ? | 14:07 |
| jjesse | thats cool | 14:07 |
| nixternal | jjesse: I don't have it done, because I didn't want to step on toes if you were already doing it | 14:07 |
| jjesse | nixternal: ah i havne't started it | 14:07 |
| nixternal | possible for you to have it done in the next couple of days? | 14:08 |
| jjesse | umm probablly not, looking at schedule | 14:08 |
| jjesse | flying to australia on wendesay and pretty swamped :( | 14:08 |
| nixternal | I guess the deadline for the article in order to be in the next issue is this week | 14:08 |
| nixternal | damn, flying to australia, is that near chicago :p | 14:09 |
| Jucato | hm... australia.. near here... I think :P | 14:10 |
| nixternal | jjesse: this isn't going to be our only article from the looks of it: | 14:10 |
| nixternal | Would you like to contribute to start WITH (an installation and configuration | 14:11 |
| nixternal | articles) or News Section (regular section with short articles on | 14:11 |
| nixternal | newly-released Linux-based products, programs, distributions) ? | 14:11 |
| jjesse | Jucato: i bet it isn't that far from the phillipines | 14:11 |
| nixternal | it seems we will have more Kubuntu articles as well as news in their magazine as well | 14:11 |
| jjesse | nixternal: that would be great | 14:11 |
| _buz | Jucato: where in the philippines do you live? | 14:12 |
| nixternal | OK, I will work on getting this one started...are you going to be available via email so I could send it to you for ideas, clarification, and proofing? | 14:12 |
| jjesse | nixternal: yeah i'm taking my laptop w/ me and i'm teaching a class all week so i'll be avialable | 14:12 |
| nixternal | or are you going to be busy working and going out and exploring the outback :) | 14:12 |
| Jucato | _buz: Laguna.. near Metro Manila | 14:13 |
| nixternal | The Gorilla in Manila | 14:13 |
| Jucato | hehe! I'm not a big man like you :P | 14:13 |
| _buz | i was in manila and boracay in 2003, still the most beautiful beach i've seen | 14:13 |
| Jucato | wow!! you've been to boracay?! I haven't D | 14:13 |
| Jucato | :D | 14:13 |
| _buz | definitely recommended, even if its somewhat hard to get there ;) | 14:14 |
| dasKreech | Jucato: Do you have your webserver stats? | 14:14 |
| Jucato | dasKreech: nope | 14:14 |
| nixternal | Jucato: jjesse is begger than I am...he has me by about 8 inches and a 100 pounds...talk about scary | 14:14 |
| dasKreech | damn | 14:14 |
| jjesse | nixternal: oncea again you are a liar | 14:14 |
| nixternal | hahhaha | 14:14 |
| jjesse | :P | 14:14 |
| Jucato | but I wonder who has the scarier face :) | 14:14 |
| nixternal | I am beautiful, so it would be jjesse :p | 14:15 |
| Jucato | lol | 14:15 |
| Jucato | I'm actually lol'ing in my room.. my mom looked strangely at me :) | 14:15 |
| nixternal | hahaha | 14:15 |
| dasKreech | nixternal! the new face of Kubuntu! Bridging the Vista between us all | 14:15 |
| Jucato | jjesse: would you be meeting up with Hobbsee? or will she be sending her LongPointyStick as proxy? :) | 14:16 |
| Hobbsee | that's the plan, but i hadnt realised it was so close to exams | 14:16 |
| * dasKreech doesn't even want to imagine the proxy arrangement | 14:17 | |
| jjesse | that's a bummer, it would have been nice to meet sarah | 14:17 |
| Jucato | yeah... | 14:17 |
| Jucato | although I'd definitely be scared of her height.. | 14:17 |
| Jucato | or all your heights for that matter :) | 14:17 |
| nixternal | you would have come home poked full of holes, so I don't see what is so nice about that :p | 14:17 |
| * dasKreech chuckles | 14:17 | |
| * Jucato Chuckies | 14:18 | |
| * nixternal sneezes | 14:18 | |
| dasKreech | Wrong caps wrongcap!! My eyes oooh my eyes!!! | 14:18 |
| Hobbsee | jjesse: how long are you here for? | 14:18 |
| jjesse | i arrive on Friday morning and fly out the next friday | 14:18 |
| nixternal | damn, and you just said you are leaving wednesday..that is nuts | 14:19 |
| nixternal | but you are leaving on their thursday | 14:19 |
| Hobbsee | jjesse: right, OK | 14:19 |
| Hobbsee | jjesse: how busy are you over the week, and where will yo ube? | 14:19 |
| nixternal | youtube? | 14:19 |
| Jucato | lol | 14:20 |
| jjesse | Hobbsee: during the day i'm pretty busy, during the night don't know... my wife is traveling w/. me | 14:20 |
| Jucato | oh.... | 14:20 |
| Hobbsee | jjesse: ah, cool. | 14:20 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee will get to meet the missus... | 14:20 |
| nixternal | just look out your window, you might catch them two running by | 14:20 |
| * Hobbsee notes that the canonical people are all still away | 14:20 | |
| nixternal | mentally? | 14:21 |
| nixternal | :D | 14:21 |
| dasKreech | probably | 14:21 |
| jjesse | i'm right downtown, http://www.vibehotels.com.au/default.asp?page=/vibe+locations/sydney+hotels/vibe+hotel+sydney | 14:21 |
| jjesse | is the hotel i'm at | 14:21 |
| * Hobbsee nods | 14:22 | |
| jjesse | that was recommend by the company i'm comming for | 14:22 |
| Hobbsee | fair enough | 14:23 |
| jjesse | so i guess i'll be right downtown | 14:23 |
| Hobbsee | yup | 14:23 |
| Hobbsee | on the city circle and whatnot. | 14:24 |
| Jucato | downstream... | 14:24 |
| Jucato | salmon... | 14:24 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 15:23 |
| Jucato | hi ya bddebian! | 15:24 |
| jjesse | boo | 15:24 |
| bddebian | Hi Jucato | 15:24 |
| bddebian | and jjesse :) | 15:24 |
| Riddell | nixternal: KDE 4 packages I guess, depending on deadline | 16:10 |
| jjesse | morning Riddell | 16:10 |
| Riddell | hola jjesse | 16:11 |
| jjesse | wow has anyone been following the wiki page in regards to the Hardy Theme? Everyone has comments, i feel sorry for kwwii | 16:11 |
| Riddell | nixternal: fridge story? http://canllaith.org/?page_id=48 | 16:15 |
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| === _buz is now known as buz_ | ||
| jjesse_ | man terrible connection today, can't figure out why | 16:37 |
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| jjesse_ | can't belive it might snow tonight :( | 19:30 |
| bobesponja | jjesse_: what's wrong with snow? | 19:31 |
| jjesse_ | i like snow, its just a bit early | 19:32 |
| Riddell | it's certainly freezing in here | 19:33 |
| Riddell | but that has more to do with the air conditioning | 19:33 |
| jjesse_ | well adjust the air conditioning then ;) | 19:38 |
| Riddell | it's behind lock and key | 19:40 |
| jjesse_ | think of it as a hack to change it | 19:40 |
| fdoving | looking glass looks cool. | 19:43 |
| seele | snow? in Boston? who'da thunk (it *is* November :) | 19:53 |
| Tm_T | we still dont have snow :( | 19:53 |
| Tm_T | but sun at its highest reaches over horizon still | 19:53 |
| jjesse_ | seele: i'm not in boston | 19:54 |
| seele | ah | 19:54 |
| nixternal | yay, SNOW TONIGHT! | 20:18 |
| nixternal | jjesse_: you should be fine though since you are on the east side of the lake...water is still a bit warm isn't it? | 20:18 |
| DaSkreech | Yay Snow... well never here | 20:18 |
| Riddell | nixternal: just in time for guy falkes night | 20:18 |
| DaSkreech | Maybe the Day after tomorrow? :) | 20:19 |
| nixternal | what? | 20:19 |
| nixternal | guy falkes night? | 20:19 |
| DaSkreech | Remember remember the Fifth of november ? | 20:19 |
| DaSkreech | Don't remember that? | 20:19 |
| Riddell | DaSkreech: gunfire, treason and plot | 20:19 |
| jjesse_ | guy fawkes day | 20:19 |
| jjesse_ | right? | 20:19 |
| nixternal | fawkes | 20:19 |
| nixternal | ya | 20:19 |
| Riddell | that's the dude | 20:20 |
| nixternal | hahah | 20:20 |
| nixternal | gunpowder! | 20:20 |
| DaSkreech | silly yanks :) | 20:20 |
| Riddell | oh well, I'm not English :) | 20:20 |
| nixternal | me either :p | 20:21 |
| nixternal | I am a miraculous mix of polish, irish, swedish, italian, scottish, american indian, and I am sure there are more in there | 20:22 |
| DaSkreech | And two peopel who were born in the UN building | 20:23 |
| DaSkreech | As long as you aren't a green alien possibly from Uranus | 20:23 |
| Riddell | UN building is one of the few parts of New York I have to see now, after my weekend visit | 20:23 |
| jjesse_ | ah you went to NY over the weekend? that's fun | 20:24 |
| DaSkreech | What happens if you are born in the UN building? | 20:24 |
| DaSkreech | Countries wait to see if you become really succesful before claiming you? | 20:24 |
| nixternal | Riddell: posted story on fridge and did a ping to the fridge list for approval | 20:39 |
| Riddell | thanks nixternal | 20:41 |
| nixternal | no problem | 20:42 |
| Serega | Riddell: John? | 20:45 |
| nixternal | man, canllaith works up kubuntu and then troy kills it | 20:46 |
| DaSkreech | nixternal: ? | 20:46 |
| buz_ | not just troy two posts in a row | 20:46 |
| Riddell | Serega: hi (but I don't use silent h's) | 20:46 |
| manchicken | Man, I guess Ubuntu still has just as many trolls as Debian. | 20:46 |
| manchicken | nixternal: So is KDE4b4 on the repos? | 20:47 |
| Serega | Riddell: Hi (can't understand about silent h's) :) | 20:47 |
| Serega | Riddell: could you talk with me about my task? | 20:48 |
| nixternal | manchicken: it is in the ppa...now if you are using that lpia stuff then you are butt out of luck | 20:49 |
| manchicken | lpia? | 20:49 |
| Riddell | Serega: kaffeine codec install? | 20:49 |
| nixternal | need to recheck the builds and reup the package so it can rebuild | 20:49 |
| Serega | Riddell: yes | 20:49 |
| nixternal | Riddell: did you get back any fails on kdebase* | 20:49 |
| manchicken | Ah. | 20:49 |
| nixternal | I got some messages back from LP about some packages not building, which, besides the lpia ones, were the i386 ones...it seems their deps hadn't completed building before they were uploaded | 20:50 |
| Serega | Riddell: did you read my recent message in mailing list? I just feel some frustration and dunno what to do | 20:50 |
| Riddell | Serega: I don't think so, I'm behind on my e-mail | 20:52 |
| Riddell | what's the subject? | 20:52 |
| nixternal | we need to setup a meeting and check over stuff we did with 7.10 and really see if it was the best choices....anyone agree/disagree on this? | 20:52 |
| Serega | Riddell: libxine doesn't report any errors on attempt to play divx avi with no codecs | 20:53 |
| Riddell | Serega: found it | 20:53 |
| Riddell | nixternal: we need a kubuntu meeting at some point anyway | 20:53 |
| nixternal | when are you back and free? | 20:54 |
| Riddell | nixternal: this week would be possible most US times, next week after monday | 20:55 |
| Riddell | Serega: I confirm | 20:55 |
| Riddell | Serega: possibly tracking down the dude who did the code for amarok would help | 20:55 |
| nixternal | thursday, friday, saturday this week? | 20:57 |
| nixternal | tomorrow I will be at a christian college installing and consulting on a fairly nice sized *buntu install for absolutely FREE! | 20:57 |
| nixternal | Of course, I am pushing Kubuntu on their desktops and laptops! | 20:57 |
| DaSkreech | So notreally that much * then | 20:58 |
| nixternal | ubuntu server, and there will be about a 50/50 with ubuntu and kubuntu | 20:58 |
| nixternal | on the desktops | 20:58 |
| manchicken | nixternal: You need to get this KDE4 beta up and running ;) | 20:58 |
| Serega | nixternal: do not forget to apply apm fix to save the HDD's | 20:58 |
| nixternal | laptops will be personal choice...and lets just say when it comes to getting people to do something, I tend to be better at it than anyone else in the group :) | 20:59 |
| Serega | on laptops | 20:59 |
| DaSkreech | 50/50! | 20:59 |
| * DaSkreech shuns nixternal | 20:59 | |
| nixternal | 5150! | 20:59 |
| DaSkreech | ah ha! Better :) | 20:59 |
| nixternal | DaSkreech: it is all about choice...if I put kubuntu on every machine, then I have killed the idea of choice haven't I? | 20:59 |
| manchicken | nixternal: Did you see that thing that Eddie and I are planning? | 20:59 |
| manchicken | nixternal: That's gonna be sweet. | 20:59 |
| nixternal | ya, feb sounds good | 20:59 |
| manchicken | Yup. | 21:00 |
| nixternal | you can count on my fat arse being there | 21:00 |
| nixternal | looks like I found a dev job too btw in Algonquin | 21:00 |
| DaSkreech | nixternal: Umm what about the rest of you to counter balance that? | 21:00 |
| nixternal | hopefully telecommute | 21:00 |
| manchicken | I put a talk in there about how we should be doing more apps where it's common backends with different GUI frontends. | 21:00 |
| nixternal | and the place is a unix shop, however there will be a little .NET programming to create a cross-platform tool | 21:01 |
| DaSkreech | Mono! | 21:01 |
| manchicken | Nice. | 21:01 |
| manchicken | Py! | 21:01 |
| DaSkreech | nixternal: What age school? | 21:01 |
| manchicken | I hope there's better support for Perl under KDE4... but I doubt it. | 21:01 |
| nixternal | it is a PHP, Perl, Python, Java, C++, .NET, MySQL, MSSQL, and I think that is about it | 21:01 |
| nixternal | DaSkreech: college | 21:01 |
| DaSkreech | Oh right college :) | 21:02 |
| DaSkreech | Edubuntu might not go over so well :) | 21:02 |
| nixternal | http://www.procedo.com/ | 21:03 |
| nixternal | manchicken: ^^ that's the company there | 21:03 |
| nixternal | all data migration | 21:03 |
| manchicken | Neat. | 21:04 |
| manchicken | So have folks been moving over to hardy then? | 21:33 |
| * Serega rubs one's hands and smiles | 21:46 | |
| DaSkreech | How do you rub one hand? | 21:48 |
| Riddell | Serega: oh? | 21:48 |
| Serega | DaSkreech: I suspect my Ru-En dictionary has betrayed me :) | 21:49 |
| Serega | Riddell: things go better! =) | 21:49 |
| DaSkreech | Serega: oh one's hands :) | 21:50 |
| Riddell | Serega: did amarok help? | 21:50 |
| DaSkreech | Serega: Sorry half asleep | 21:50 |
| Serega | Riddell: yeah, one minute into the source of amarok gived me a good avice | 21:51 |
| Serega | *gave | 21:51 |
| Serega | :) | 21:51 |
| Sime | Riddell: Hi, I've got a patch here for userconfig from someone. It adds permission based groups. (i.e. "Can use burner" etc) interested? | 21:51 |
| Riddell | Sime: oh jings, I've been meaning to look at that | 21:51 |
| Riddell | yes I'm interested, I suggested he do it | 21:52 |
| Sime | Riddell: well, someone sent me a patch which does that. It isn't i18n()ed. but it is a start. | 21:52 |
| Sime | ok, then. I'm busy with PyKDE4, stuff do want to handle it? | 21:52 |
| Riddell | Sime: what's the e-mail subject again? | 21:53 |
| nosrednaekim | go Sime! | 21:53 |
| * nosrednaekim <3 PyKDE | 21:53 | |
| Sime | "New version of userconfig" from Manuel Amador (Rudd-O) | 21:53 |
| Sime | I'll forward it | 21:54 |
| Riddell | Sime: I've got it | 21:54 |
| Sime | I didn't see that. It must be BCCed | 21:54 |
| Riddell | Sime: forward it to me anyway, maybe he sent you a different version | 21:55 |
| Riddell | I'll look at it tomorrow | 21:55 |
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| Riddell | along with the docs nixternal made for the website | 21:55 |
| Sime | no worries. | 21:55 |
| Riddell | Sime: how is PyKDE4 in beta 4? worth packaging? | 21:56 |
| Serega | Good night, fellows! | 21:56 |
| Serega | bye | 21:56 |
| Sime | Riddell: I don't know if it compiles in beta4. BIC stuff was done just before tagging... | 21:57 |
| Sime | Riddell: bad timing. | 21:58 |
| nosrednaekim | hmmm this might be interesting for those of you who were debating wether or not to put some restricted stuff on kubuntu.. http://www.osweekly.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2689&Itemid=449 | 22:02 |
| fdoving | Riddell: i removed ksplash and i like it. fyi. | 22:08 |
| DaSkreech | Is mplayer borken in Gutsy? | 22:11 |
| fdoving | DaSkreech: works for me, if it didn't break the last few days. | 22:13 |
| yuriy | umm.. why does OO.o have a ubuntu logo on the splash screen | 22:13 |
| DaSkreech | Hmm | 22:13 |
| DaSkreech | can't seem to play vids | 22:14 |
| DaSkreech | I think this is the first time I've tried since the Gutsy upgrade | 22:14 |
| DaSkreech | I"ll hit it with something | 22:14 |
| Tm_T | uga: uga tsaga | 23:08 |
| nixternal | oi oi | 23:24 |
| Tm_T | sometimes I wonder who's who here | 23:25 |
| nixternal | me too | 23:25 |
| Tm_T | active ones is easy to know but umm, we dont have 60 active ones here | 23:26 |
| * gnomefreak semi active | 23:26 | |
| Tm_T | gnomefreak: I know you, but there's several nicks I just cant say I have seen saying anything | 23:28 |
| * jjesse just got back from a run | 23:31 | |
| jjesse | wow all this google open phone crap wheres the love for openmoko? | 23:31 |
| Tm_T | jjesse: its not google! | 23:32 |
| Tm_T | its not apple! | 23:32 |
| jjesse | yeah thats a bummer | 23:32 |
| n8k99 | jjesse: couldn't find you in boston to give you a greet4ing, alas | 23:34 |
| nixternal | jjesse: I am very interested to see the Google stuff...Google has phone backing, openMoko has FIC only right now | 23:36 |
| nixternal | and openMoko hasn't even hit a development milestone yet, which were supposed to start a few months ago | 23:36 |
| jjesse | nixternal: google is hoping 2nd qtr of 2008 the first phone will ship | 23:40 |
| jjesse | hoping that is | 23:40 |
| nixternal | probably sooner than openMoko | 23:41 |
| IntuitiveNipple | Any ideas why kdelib's libkmid MidiPlayer component only plays the first note of a MIDI file (called from kmid) on x86_64 ? | 23:52 |
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