[01:07] <databuddy> eh
[01:07] <databuddy> been nice
[01:14] <Tm_T> assasukasse: hey you
[01:14] <Tm_T> afonic`oFF: how off ?
[01:18] <LukeEkblad> Hello
[01:19] <LukeEkblad> I need help updating ubuntu
[01:19] <LukeEkblad> Anyone here?
[01:19] <bazhang> go to #ubuntu LukeEkblad
[01:20] <Tm_T> LukeEkblad: also read channel topics
[01:26] <LukeEkblad> they banned me
[01:26] <LukeEkblad> I duno why
[01:26] <LukeEkblad> I neeeed help pleas
[01:27] <LjL> LukeEkblad, you're offtopic, and being banned from another channel is no excuse.
[01:27] <LukeEkblad> ok
[01:27] <LukeEkblad> what am i soposed to do then?
[01:28] <Tm_T> LukeEkblad: find reason why youre banned and fix it
[01:28] <Tm_T> if it your behaviour, learn
[01:28] <LjL> LukeEkblad: well, you might try to not get banned the next time. if you don't know why you were banned, try typing « /msg ubotu etiquette »
[01:29] <LjL> if you still don't find the reason why you were banned in there, try asking in #ubuntu-ops
[01:29] <bazhang> that must be a fun channel :}
[01:29] <Tm_T> bazhang: it is, my home
[01:29] <bazhang> can i visit?
[01:30] <LjL> not without a reason please
[01:30] <bazhang> sorry LjL just kidding --back to #offtopic for me
[03:08] <Powerking89670> night all
[03:34] <shirish> hi all, does anybody know when xserver-xorg-core is going to be imported for hardy?
[03:35] <shirish> Also does anybody have any idea what paramter is good to set for tune2fs ? I wanna set it up so it doesn't check frequently the hdd (fsck) while at the same time if the file-system is dirty it should check it, any or all suggestion will be nice.
[04:35] <KevinO0oO> is there a place to submit artwork for hardy?
[04:43] <IdleOne> !artwork
[04:43] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://kubuntu-art.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[04:44] <IdleOne> hmmm
[04:44] <IdleOne> I know there is a place ummm check wiki.ubuntu.com
[04:44] <KevinO0oO> ok
[04:44] <KevinO0oO> thanks
[04:44] <IdleOne> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ hehe there it is
[04:45] <KevinO0oO> cool thanks
[04:45] <IdleOne> np
[11:32] <Toma-> Is pulseaudio really going to be the default in Heron?
[11:35] <compwiz18> it'd be pretty cool if it is
[14:24] <hydrogen> can I walk hardy?
[14:30] <Hobbsee> hydrogen: no :P
[14:30] <hydrogen> but it needs its exercise~
[16:11] <idleone> need some serious help with hardy. seems that xserver is gone I now have a nice texted based OS. tried installing xserver-xorg-core but I got something about dependencies and if I wanted to accept the solution but it scrolled by to quick and it seems the solution was to not install anything
[16:12] <idleone> upside is that without X my pc is like a greased pig with lightning in its arse lmao
[16:13] <hggdh> idleone: yes, xserver is being updated, but not all is there
[16:13] <hggdh> so...
[16:14] <hggdh> idleone: one solution: go back to gutsy (reset your /etc/apt/source.list so that all refs are to gutsy instead of hardy, and reinstall xserver from there
[16:14] <idleone> hggdh: earlier this morning aptitude removed about 8 to 10 xserver packages and then my computer got rebooted
[16:15] <idleone> hggdh: so what your telling me is to roll back? :/
[16:15] <idleone> guess I can do that
[16:15] <idleone> hggdh: i need to reinstall xserver-xorg-core correct?
[16:16] <hggdh> idleone: I would reinstall *all* xserver components that show more recent versions that the gutsy ones
[16:16] <idleone> hggdh: can you give me a list of the packages I need to install please
[16:16] <hggdh> idleone: you do not need to roll back, but I understand from your post that you are not happy with a text-based system ;-)
[16:17] <idleone> hggdh: IT RUNS FINE BUT i LIKE MY gui
[16:17] <hggdh> idleone: start with xserver-xorg-core
[16:18] <idleone> hggdh: ok so edit sources.list to gutsy and sudo aptitude install xserver-xorg-core
[16:18] <idleone> will do
[16:18] <idleone> how do I get to TTY now ctrl+alt+F1 didnt work
[16:20] <idleone> never mind I got it I am on TTY1 now :)
[16:20] <hggdh> k
[16:20] <hggdh> idleone: start with sudo apt-get update
[16:21] <hggdh> you have to get the gutsy dists first
[16:21] <hggdh> idleone: with the risk of stating the obvious: Hardy is not even alpha yet.
[16:22] <hggdh> idleone: systems *WILL* break
[16:22] <hggdh> so, I would strong suggest not to play with Hardy on your base system
[16:23] <hggdh> idleone: run it, for example, under VMWare -- if it breaks, the worst is reinstall the VMWare image. BUT your base system is still intact ;-)
[16:24] <idleone> hggdh: oh I know and I took the chance and I am not upset or anything. I expected this to happen and was kinda looking forward to it in a strange way :)
[16:24] <hggdh> idleone: well. you got it smack on... :-D
[16:24] <idleone> ok installing 48 new xserver packages
[16:25] <idleone> hggdh: :)
[16:26] <idleone> I'll tell you the lack of a GUI does make this machine a work horse
[16:28] <idleone> ok packages installed now logout and back in to GUI correct
[16:28] <idleone> or is there a better way
[16:28] <idleone> brb
[16:32] <IdleOne> hggdh: thank you for your help. got GUI back now my next question is if/when I upgrade to Hardy again will this happen again ?
[16:36] <IdleOne> that was a sem-stupid question indeed
[16:36] <IdleOne> semi
[16:39] <hggdh> idleone: no, not stupid. There are almost no stupid questions
[16:39] <Niteye> i think for the next release they should include more photographs of young women's posteriors
[16:40] <IdleOne> Niteye: you have been warned once in #ubuntu please stop now
[16:40] <hggdh> Whenever you try again, use -- for example -- synaptic, and carefully look at the lists of what is being removed/updated
[16:40] <bazhang> !ohmy
[16:40] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[16:40] <IdleOne> !ops | Niteye
[16:40] <ubotu> Niteye: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok or Pici
[16:41] <gerro> ooh next one is called hardy, nice to know. Hope it goes smooth
[16:41] <IdleOne> hggdh: well my question was malformed. what I should of asked is when can I expect Hardy to be usable in a non stable way
[16:42] <hggdh> idleOne: I guess at least after the first alpha release
[16:42] <IdleOne> hggdh: release schedual been set yet?
[16:42] <bazhang> hardy is an LTS so should be less major changes, more stability
[16:43] <PriceChild> IdleOne, have you looked?
[16:43] <hggdh> idleOne: I do not think so, at least the channel header states it has not
[16:43] <IdleOne> PriceChild: I did not :/
[16:43] <bazhang> rumored to be the end of this month--though that might change
[16:43] <PriceChild> IdleOne, usual place... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/$(adjective)ReleaseSchedule
[16:43] <PriceChild> so https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[16:44] <IdleOne> ty
[16:44] <bazhang> thanks PriceChild
[16:44] <IdleOne> hehe $(adjective)
[16:45] <IdleOne> 29th
[17:20] <Laser88> Hi!
[17:22] <scizzo-> hello
[18:15] <RichW> What is good about hardy as compared to gutsy?
[18:15] <RichW> feature list?
[18:16] <Laser88> In the moment? The adventure...
[18:16] <gnomefreak> RichW: atm nothing it is hardy without GUI
[18:16] <gnomefreak> sorry gutsy without GUI
[18:19] <RichW> In future??
[18:20] <RichW> Is there a roadmap or set objectives?
[18:21] <Laser88> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-boston-2007/+roadmap
[18:21] <RichW> I would like emerald installed by default as an option along compiz :)
[18:22] <gnomefreak> RichW: isnt it installed by default in gutsy? non kde
[18:22] <RichW> i dont think so
[18:22] <RichW> not from what I can remember from past installations
[18:22] <gnomefreak> if you have kubuntu/kde no compiz packages will be installed by default
[18:22] <RichW> of gutsy
[18:22] <RichW> I dont use kubuntu
[18:23] <gnomefreak> RichW: i thought it was but i dont have a gutsy pc handy atm
[18:24] <RichW> Im also having problems with gutsy's ubiquity installer not supporting mdadm raids.
[18:24] <RichW> which results in having to do manual installation hacks
[18:24] <RichW> with debootstrap
[18:24] <gnomefreak> RichW: file a bug on it
[18:26] <RichW> I figured it might be something to do with partman. I was planning to work on a patch myself first but.. I read that roadmap and saw "general autopartitioner revamp (ue-partitioning-tool)"
[18:27] <RichW> I am unsure if that new tool solves the problem.
[18:27] <RichW> I might file a bug anyway perhaps someone would help with development
[18:29] <RichW> I think mdadm would have to be installed by default (Should be only possible in hardy release)
[18:33] <gnomefreak> mdadm is installed by default atleast on my gutsy it is but you are talking pre install so how would anything help you if installed by default, RichW to continue with gutsy topic join #ubuntu for support or #ubuntu-offtopic for non support
[18:35] <JasonF> X is broken in hardy ATM, just an FYI to all the "developers" ;)
[18:35] <JasonF> to not dist-upgrade if you like a gui
[18:36] <gnomefreak> JasonF: its in query
[18:36] <gnomefreak> JasonF: and its been broken for 4 days
[18:37] <JasonF> I don't know what you mean by "query", but I just have hardy on my 2nd workstation @ work, so I don't touch it too often
[18:38] <Laser88> JasonF: It's a pre-alpha - what do you expect?
[18:38] <JasonF> everything to be broken at any given time
[18:39] <JasonF> I'm not complaining, just letting anyone know who hasn't encountered the problem that they might want to way a day or three before updating their install, that's all.
[18:39] <gnomefreak> JasonF: its been pushed to query and will be released to archives as soon as it can be
[18:39] <JasonF> gnomefreak: aah. thanks for the terminology info :)
[18:39] <Laser88> ok, misunderstood the FYI probably
[18:40] <gnomefreak> not sure why you would inform devs in this channel of anything and X is kind of important so its noticed almost right away
[18:41] <gnomefreak> JasonF: the X devs dont hang out in here and very few devs at all hang out in here, unless there is another reason to be here
[18:41] <JasonF> Okay.
[18:41] <JasonF> the "developers" bit was more meant to be a joke about the /topic that was, until a few days ago, instructing only devs to run it
[18:42] <gnomefreak> JasonF: only devs need to run it
[18:42] <gnomefreak> JasonF: there isnt anything other than tool chain that has changed from gutsy to hardy
[18:43] <gnomefreak> a few things but those are simple bug fixes or like new irssi release that cant be pushed to gutsy, gutsy has backports of most things that havent made it to hardy so gutsy is newer in that sense
[18:43] <gnomefreak> iceape thunderbird are newer in gutsy than hardy ;)
[18:44] <gnomefreak> just example off top of head
[18:44] <JasonF> interesting :)
[18:44] <bazhang> sure is
[18:44] <gnomefreak> bazhang: i know im working on thunderbird for hardy and i pushed iceape for gutsy and soon hardy waiting on a sponser
[18:45] <bazhang> gnomefreak: thanks! do you a blog?
[18:45] <bazhang> err have
[18:45] <gnomefreak> bazhang: yes but i can get to it atm
[18:45] <gnomefreak> bazhang: we will post it to ubuntu planet
[18:45] <bazhang> cool. thanks gnomefreak
[18:45] <gnomefreak> planet.ubuntu.com
[18:45] <bazhang> awesome
[18:45] <gnomefreak> when i get things new they will go there, like new sunbird sitting there waiting to be pushed
[18:46] <bazhang> what's the best language to learn first gnomefreak? python c ++?
[18:46] <gnomefreak> bazhang: best join hardy-changes mailing list
[18:47] <bazhang> will do. thanks again gnomefreak
[18:47] <gnomefreak> bazhang: choice is yours if you want a better answer try them until you find one or ask in #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:47] <Laser88> gnomefreak: What version of sunbird will it make to Hardy Heron?
[18:47] <gnomefreak>  for now~
[18:47] <gnomefreak> 0.7 for now
[18:47] <gnomefreak> it is newest
[18:47] <Laser88> Yeah, got it me today for Feisty Fawn
[18:47] <gnomefreak> but if they release faster than they have been anything under 1.0 will make it
[18:48] <Laser88> thx
[18:48] <gnomefreak> im waiting for hardy+1 to introduce 1.0 (if it makes it since it will depend on libxul and so far iceape nor sunbird support it
[18:48] <Laser88> 0.3 couldn't read the storage.sdb from 0.5 - the other way went
[18:49] <gnomefreak> gutsy has 0.5 and it works fine afaik there were 3 bugs and non that could be fixed in gutsy, if i get this nobinonly script to work i might only have to push sunbird once
[18:50] <gnomefreak> btw .03 failed to work on too many peoples set ups
[18:50] <gnomefreak> 0.3
[18:52] <Laser88> I always send me emails with the storage.sdb from one PC to the other and the Feisty Fawn sunbird couldn't read the sdb from Hardy Heron
[18:57] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmmmm maybe i will do sunbird today or tomorrow
[19:03] <Laser88> gnomefreak: do you need help in translating to German?
[19:04] <gnomefreak> Laser88: nope not german
[19:04] <gnomefreak> .win 10
[19:04] <Laser88> sry - my only language
[19:04] <Laser88> Are you also doing firefox?
[19:14] <gnomefreak> Laser88: not atm asac is working on firefox 2.0 its mainly his
[19:15] <gnomefreak> Laser88: he is ubuntu mozilla maintainer but i have iceape and sunbird that i maintain and i will fix others as needed if he doesnt get to it
[19:16] <Laser88> gnomefreak: No problem with FF 2, but FF 3.0a8
[19:16] <gnomefreak> Laser88: give it time we have a9 working atm not sure wher eit will be pushed but it should get in gutsy-security
[19:17] <gnomefreak> when i get home from hospital ill find out more, but a9 is causing problems last i heard
[19:17] <gnomefreak> Laser88: if you go to mozillateam PPA archive the most uptodate packages are there but they will have bugs well expect them to
[19:18] <gnomefreak> launchpad.net/~mozillateam than click on PPA
[19:18] <gnomefreak> if i had GUI i could giv eyou exact link
[19:18] <Laser88> I'll find it
[19:22] <gnomefreak> bbl
[19:22] <gnomefreak> Laser88: you have to be on gutsy to run them unless we added xulrunner-1.9 to the archive
[19:23] <gnomefreak> i cant remember atm
[19:25] <Laser88> gnomefreak: I tried to run FF 3.0a8 on Gutsy and now on Hardy - Alpha7 no problem, but now: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=400582
[19:25] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 400582 in General "No file, edit,... back, forward,...tabs in Firefox3.0a8" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[20:01] <Laser87> gn8
[21:56] <nikolam> Hello
[21:57] <nikolam> Is there a way a can tight myself more to *buntu development process
[21:57] <nikolam> it there some testin teams etc
[21:57] <nikolam> I tested Tribe releases before
[21:58] <nikolam> But my envollvment was very small
[21:58] <nikolam> All I can do is post some bugs
[21:58] <nikolam> i didn`t find a way to test in some organised and coordinated way
[22:05] <ba5e> Hi I set my default vbox dir to /media/disk/Virtual Machines and even after removing vbox, if I remove the dir and reboot it gets re-created! how can I stop this?
[22:05] <ba5e> it needs root privalages to write there, so it must be in a start up script... but where?
[22:32] <Lin> why this doesn't work as expected   http://wowi.pastey.net/76660 (bubblehearth)? why /stopcasting didn't "clean" the divine protection casting status?
[22:32] <Lin> AFAI divine protection is instant.
[22:34] <Lin> sorry wrong channel
[23:16] <bardyr> Hey
[23:17] <bardyr> is there any ETA for a kernel update?
[23:42] <blue|palm> will there be a future version of fglrx (>= 8.42) in hardy?
[23:42] <gnomefreak> blue|palm: not sure yet right now there is no X in hardy
[23:43] <gnomefreak> blue|palm: most likely it will make it but may not end with it
[23:43] <bardyr> no X?
[23:43] <blue|palm> gnomefreak, lol, ok (I had no idea we start from scratch each distro build)
[23:43] <blue|palm> but thanks
[23:43] <blue|palm> bardyr, yet
[23:43] <gnomefreak> blue|palm: we dont
[23:43] <gnomefreak> blue|palm: X is broken
[23:43] <blue|palm> gnomefreak, oh
[23:43] <blue|palm> gnomefreak, figures
[23:43] <blue|palm> gnomefreak, if i may ask, is it 7.3?
[23:43] <gnomefreak> blue|palm: it is a simple mistake in packaging that is being fixed
[23:44] <gnomefreak> blue|palm: yes same version in gutsy
[23:44] <blue|palm> gnomefreak, 7.3 made it to gutsy?
[23:44] <blue|palm> gnomefreak, wow... im behind the times
[23:44] <gnomefreak> or maybe not but i thought it did
[23:44] <bardyr> gnomefreak, there are a ton of x-server packages being hold back, X is still there?
[23:44] <gnomefreak> blue|palm: x --version
[23:44] <gnomefreak> what does that say?
[23:45] <gnomefreak> bardyr: X is there for people that didnt dist-upgrade
[23:45] <gnomefreak> bardyr: that doesnt mean its not broken ;)
[23:45] <bardyr> i did dist-upgrade and X is working
[23:45] <gnomefreak> its missing depends not all packages were uploaded at same time
[23:45] <gnomefreak> bardyr: not in last 3-4 days you didnt
[23:45] <bardyr> gnomefreak, yep
[23:45] <blue|palm> gnomefreak, its complaining about no option 'version' available
[23:45] <gnomefreak> unless mike finally held it back
[23:46] <gnomefreak> blue|palm: hold on a sec
[23:46] <gnomefreak> blue|palm: try X --version
[23:46] <gnomefreak> i get cant execute it
[23:46] <blue|palm> gnomefreak,  i did, since x failed too
[23:46] <blue|palm> ill check in synaptic
[23:46] <gnomefreak> !info X gutsy
[23:46] <ubotu> Package x does not exist in gutsy
[23:47] <gnomefreak> !info x gutsy
[23:47] <gnomefreak> or not
[23:47] <gnomefreak> xorg is 7.2
[23:47] <blue|palm> ah ok
[23:47] <blue|palm> thought so
[23:47] <gnomefreak> but X version i thought made it to 7.3 but either way 7.3 options are in our version
[23:47] <blue|palm> last question: did gutsy get some new text rendering engine of some sort?
[23:48] <gnomefreak> blue|palm: bulletproofX is 7.3 but you have it :)
[23:48] <gnomefreak> blue|palm: gutsy questions in #ubuntu
[23:48] <blue|palm> gnomefreak, they complain because its not a 'support' issue
[23:48] <blue|palm> sigh
[23:48] <blue|palm> thanks for the info
[23:49] <gnomefreak> blue|palm: ask it in there if someone says it tell me
[23:49] <blue|palm> much appreciated
[23:49] <blue|palm> ok
[23:49] <IntuitiveNipple> Any ideas why kdelib's libkmid MidiPlayer component only plays the first note of a MIDI file (called from kmid) on x86_64 ?
[23:49] <bardyr> gnomefreak, you know any ETA for a kernel update?
[23:49] <gnomefreak> IntuitiveNipple: try #kubuntu
[23:50] <gnomefreak> bardyr: there isnt one atm
[23:50] <IntuitiveNipple> hmmm
[23:50] <gnomefreak> IntuitiveNipple: its not hardy question and its kde related
[23:50] <IntuitiveNipple> Um, it is. I'm working on getting kdelib 64-bit issues solved so I can patch it for Hardy
[23:51] <gnomefreak> IntuitiveNipple: than try #kubuntu-devel
[23:51] <IntuitiveNipple> It looks like a build issue since 32-bit works fine
[23:52] <gnomefreak> IntuitiveNipple: than it belongs in -devel channels
[23:54] <blue|palm> gnomefreak, are we going to see a new version of gnome in *every* ubuntu release? has gnome's dev cycle synced with ubuntus?
[23:54] <gnomefreak> blue|palm: always
[23:54] <blue|palm> gnomefreak, thats really impressive, that ubuntu is changing the linux world so much :-D
[23:57] <bardyr> how can people tell gnome releases apart? i cant see any difference in the last 4 releases of gnome
[23:57] <gnomefreak> bardyr: if you look hard you can
[23:57] <gnomefreak> bardyr: ---> #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:58] <IntuitiveNipple> Gutsy has fuzzy icons :p