[02:47] <Keybuk> bah
[02:48] <Keybuk> even if I waitid(..., WNOWAIT) a process to catch it exiting after a fork, it's child process is still reparented to init
[02:48] <Keybuk> reparenting much happen at exit() time rather than at wait() time
[02:48] <Keybuk> boo, hiss, etc.
[04:31] <Keybuk> you'd think there'd be a way for ptrace to tell the tracing process that something just happened and it needs to wait()
[04:34] <bluefoxicy> has ubuntu done away with /var/log/secure
[04:34] <bluefoxicy> I seem to not have it in gutsy
[07:02] <`23meg> I've just written a basic guide to get forum users more involved in development; feedback and additions are appreciated. >> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=603316
[07:06] <minghua> `23meg: That's a very organized and informative guide, thanks for writing it!
[07:06] <minghua> `23meg: My comments along the way of reading:
[07:06] <`23meg> minghua, thanks
[07:07]  * Hobbsee waves
[07:07] <superm1> heya Hobbsee
[07:07] <`23meg> hi Hobbsee
[07:07] <minghua> `23meg: 1. It _may_ be worthwhile to note how heavy the traffic is for each list.
[07:08]  * Hobbsee wonders how hardy is broken today
[07:08] <minghua> `23meg: 2. If the ubuntu-devel-announce list is not showcased on the fridge (I know it's not on the other two places), I think it should be in the "check regularly" list.
[07:08] <minghua> And hi Hobbsee.
[07:09] <Hobbsee> `23meg: would be good if you could explicitly say that the iso's are not likely to work at all, at least unitl the first alpha
[07:09] <minghua> Hobbsee: Hopefully a bit less broken with my first hardy upload.
[07:09] <`23meg> minghua, it's in the list already
[07:09] <Hobbsee> `23meg: and that it's safer to do a dist-upgrade off the latest alpha, than to install off a daily
[07:09] <minghua> `23meg: I mean along with planet ubuntu, fridge, and UWN.
[07:09] <`23meg> Hobbsee, I've said that in the other sticky thread --> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=600644
[07:10] <Hobbsee> ah
[07:10] <minghua> `23meg: 3. "what is and ain't broke"?  I am not sure how formal that English is...
[07:13] <`23meg> minghua, it's not very formal but I thought it wouldn't hurt in the middle of so much formality. I'll think of an alternative.
[07:14] <Hobbsee> oh, i remember what i was giong to ask now
[07:14] <Hobbsee> can i disable my system beep, fully, forever?
[07:15] <Hobbsee> it's damned loud on a VT, and it's beeping at the end of each failed tab complete, as the stuff in inputrc doesnt appear to be working
[07:15] <minghua> `23meg: What exactly does "what is and ain't broke" mean anyway?  If it isn't broken, there is nothing to fix, right?  English is my second language, I am having problem understanding what it exactly mean there.
[07:15] <superm1> Hobbsee, rmmod pcspkr
[07:16] <`23meg> minghua, it's a referenec to the saying "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"
[07:17] <`23meg> *reference
[07:18] <minghua> Oh that.
[07:19] <Hobbsee> superm1: you rock, thanks
[07:19] <minghua> Okay I've finished reading it.  No more comments.
[07:19] <superm1> Hobbsee, i found it by accident one day, and now i do that all the time :)
[07:20] <Hobbsee> :)
[07:20]  * Hobbsee goes and blacklists
[07:20] <TheMuso> IMO Gnome's system beep needs to be a sound event via the sound card.
[07:20] <Fujitsu> TheMuso: Isn't it?
[07:21] <Fujitsu> AFAIK only OOo and VTs use the PC speaker.
[07:21] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: No. theres an option to enable system beep, but its still only the PC speaker.
[07:21] <Fujitsu> Hmm...
[07:21] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: If you for example go into the run dialog, and press backspace, you will hear a beep from your PC speaker.
[07:21] <Hobbsee> i wouldnt mind it, expect that it makes using a VT very inconvenient
[07:21] <TheMuso> Or the password dialog after a screensaver.
[07:21] <Fujitsu> TheMuso: That sounds really braindead.
[07:22] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: Indeed.
[07:22] <minghua> I always just use the GNOME preference dialog to disable it.
[07:22] <`23meg> minghua, thanks for the feedback
[07:22]  * minghua doesn't use VT much.
[07:22] <minghua> `23meg: Hope it helps. :-)
[07:22] <Hobbsee> minghua:  that only works in gnome, though :)
[07:23]  * Hobbsee pokes amarok
[07:23] <minghua> Hobbsee: Right.  That's why I didn't speak when you asked the question. ;-)
[07:23] <Hobbsee> why were two things acting on play/pause, and only one today?
[11:30] <warp10> Hi all!
[12:30] <tepsipakki> how frequently are packages from sid being synced? x11-{apps,session-utils,utils,xfs-utils,xkb-utils,xserver-utils} are not yet on launchpad even though they have been in sid for a couple of months
[12:33] <Hobbsee> tepsipakki: i dont think htey've done the new package script yet - and even if they had, they'd be stuck in new
[12:33] <tepsipakki> checked NEW, but that's for new binaries right?
[12:34] <Hobbsee> and sources
[12:34] <tepsipakki> ok
[12:36] <Hobbsee> but, see the first half for why they're not even there )
[12:36] <Hobbsee> * :)
[12:37] <tepsipakki> Hobbsee: ah :) what's the difference with new and old script?
[12:37] <tepsipakki> has it been manual until now?
[12:38] <tepsipakki> er, until the new script is in place
[12:38] <Hobbsee> tepsipakki: afaik, i'ts never worked that way.  but i really dont kjnow
[12:38] <Hobbsee> and i cant access either script.
[12:38] <Hobbsee> it's a sekrit script
[12:38] <tepsipakki> heh, ok
[12:38]  * Hobbsee is not one of the privelaged people to view it :P
[12:43] <Fujitsu> tepsipakki: The importing of new packages is done separately, I believe.
[12:43] <tepsipakki> Fujitsu: yeah, so it seem
[12:49] <tepsipakki> +s
[13:42] <Hobbsee> tepsipakki: when, roughly, will the new X be done and in hardy?
[13:42] <Hobbsee> any ETA?
[13:43]  * persia thought it was waiting on syncs & stuff
[13:44] <Hobbsee> the syncs of previous ubuntu packages are all in and built.
[13:44] <persia> e.g. bug #160183
[13:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 160183 in xorg "please sync from Debian unstable" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/160183
[13:44] <Hobbsee> yeah, just saw that
[13:45] <Hobbsee> pitti!!!
[13:45]  * Hobbsee hugs pitti
[13:45]  * Hobbsee then throws him in the pool
[13:45] <Hobbsee> aww
[13:45] <Hobbsee> computer must not have liked the water
[13:46] <zul> i thought it was a bit windy in mass. this weekend
[13:53] <desrt> hello pitti, seb
[13:53] <desrt> + jono
[13:53]  * pitti hugs desrt
[13:53]  * seb128 hugs desrt
[13:53]  * desrt shoots frozen bubbles at pitti and seb128
[13:54]  * pitti fends them off and sends 20 bubbles back
[13:54] <desrt> woh.  hotel party.
[13:54] <desrt> are you guys in plymouth yet?
[13:54] <simira> I want to play also!
[13:54]  * desrt receives pitti's 20 bubbles and, not knowing what to do with them, instantly loses
[13:55] <desrt> ... matches continues between pitti seb128 and simira ...
[13:55] <Hobbsee> pitti: staying here this time?
[13:55] <pitti> Hobbsee: no, "pens down", erm, "laptops closed" in 5 minutes
[13:55] <Hobbsee> ahh
[13:56] <desrt> all hands sounds frightening
[13:56]  * Hobbsee throws boiling bubbles at desrt, just for a change
[13:56]  * desrt frowns
[13:56] <desrt> "ow".
[13:59] <jono> hey desrt
[14:00] <Keybuk> Hobbsee: you'd appreciate the allhands event
[14:00] <Keybuk> it's being held in a hollowed-out volcano island
[14:00] <tepsipakki> Hobbsee: actually, some of the syncs are probably not done yet, so after every driver is built against the new server, the x11-* -packages synced and new xorg pkg uploaded, then it should be fine :)
[14:00] <Keybuk> and there's a shark-infested pool
[14:00] <Hobbsee> Keybuk: woot!
[14:00] <Hobbsee> Keybuk: you know what that means, don't you?  :)
[14:00] <Keybuk> first seminar of the day; keeping information from the public! ;-)
[14:01] <Hobbsee> Keybuk: hahaha :)
[14:01] <Hobbsee> that'd be right.
[14:01] <Keybuk> our company mantra is "BE evil!  VERY evil!  Muahahahaha"
[14:01] <Hobbsee> Keybuk: what else would i expect from The Evil Canonical Empire (tm) ?
[14:01] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Have they been promoted to Very Evil yet?
[14:02] <Keybuk> Jane's about to take all our laptops away and not give them back until we submit
[14:02] <Keybuk> so I'll chat later
[14:02] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: they havent started killing off community members yet.
[14:02] <Hobbsee> Keybuk: hah.  have fun
[14:02] <Hobbsee> tepsipakki: right, yeah.
[14:02] <tepsipakki> pitti: hey :) I think some of the syncs on bug 156298 (the first batch of x-x-video-*) are not done yet?
[14:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 156298 in xorg "please sync from Debian" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156298
[14:04] <tepsipakki> pitti: so should I reopen it (again) ?-)
[14:04] <Fujitsu> It's not unheard-of for syncs to be done and then not actually ever appear in Soyuz.
[14:04] <Fujitsu> I've had a few that just never materialise, even though the archive admin even quoted the log.
[14:06]  * Hobbsee notes it feels very weird actually giving away the sponsors list
[14:08] <zul> Hobbsee: had to be done
[14:08] <Hobbsee> zul: true.
[14:08] <Hobbsee> doen now :)
[14:08] <Hobbsee> although i'm still an admin
[15:14] <jandem> just curious, are all the packages that are being built now synced with debian?
[15:16] <jandem> sorry, wrong channel
[15:23] <bddebian> Heya
[16:19] <Eeyore-Jr> hi.  virtual box will not allow an ubuntu-server install to re-boot.  it gives an error.  from what research i have done, this is because of ubuntu server installing a PAE kernel by default without an option for a non-PAE kernel
[17:04] <keescook> slangasek: bug 152912 -- doesn't pam already fail unless it finds a positive response?
[17:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 152912 in pam "pam configuration could use safer defaults" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/152912
[17:07] <pjjanak> Hello. My name is Peter. Some of you may remember me from a few weeks ago. I figured I would ask this again since the release rush has calmed down a little: I was recently given an assignment to interview a software engineer and thought that this would be a good place to look for one. This would entail answering seven quick questions over e-mail or even right here if it were more convenient. Is there anyone who would be willing to help me out?
[17:08] <somerville32> pjjanak, I'm sure if you e-mailed a few directly at least one would be happy to respond :)
[17:09] <pjjanak> Is there a place where I could find e-mails?
[17:09] <StevenK> pitti: We lose. gnutls13 FTBFS again.
[17:11] <slangasek> keescook: 152912 is RedHat-induced crack
[17:12] <slangasek> the only thing 'required pam_deny.so' gets you is people screwing around with PAM configs, not knowing what they're doing in the first place and believing that the system will save them from their own ignorance
[17:12] <slangasek> which isn't true anyway
[17:12] <somerville32> pjjanak, http://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev and http://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev-core
[17:12] <keescook> slangasek: cool; can you won't-fix that bug when you get a minute?
[17:13] <slangasek> sure
[17:13] <pjjanak> somerville32: thanks a bunch. You've been most helpful.
[17:14] <highvoltage> mako: when the aliens abducted me they did nothing to me... to me... to me... to me... to me...
[17:14] <StevenK> highvoltage: I think you forgot "*twitch* *twitch*"
[17:15] <highvoltage> StevenK: it's coming (scratching ears with feat)
[17:27] <somerville32> Scratching your eats is a feat?
[17:27] <somerville32> *ears
[17:43] <DShepherd> is slick boot going to be implemented in hardy?
[17:44] <Burgundavia> DShepherd: if somebody can be found to do it, yes
[17:44] <DShepherd> :-)
[17:45] <DShepherd> ok
[17:45] <Burgundavia> the note on the spec status board on LP is correct, at least as of last Thurs, when I asked Keybuk about it
[17:46] <DShepherd> Burgundavia, ok
[17:46] <Keybuk> DShepherd: the necessary bits are being developed by RedHat
[17:46] <Keybuk> I'm not sure they will be done in time for hardy
[17:46] <DShepherd> Keybuk, ok
[17:46] <Keybuk> instead they'll probably ship in F9
[17:46] <Keybuk> and we'll pick them up in itchy
[17:46] <DShepherd> F9?
[17:46] <Keybuk> Fedora 9
[17:47] <DShepherd> ok
[17:47] <Keybuk> we have an open position for someone to do this work, but haven't filled it yet
[17:47] <Keybuk> so it's not something we can accelerate ourselves
[17:47] <DShepherd> ok
[17:47] <Keybuk> (it's largely blocked on kernel and X changes)
[17:47] <Keybuk> google for "kernel mode setting"
[17:47] <somerville32> Keybuk, We've already named 8.10?
[17:47] <Burgundavia> somerville32: informally, yes
[17:47] <Keybuk> somerville32: Google have already named it ;)
[17:48] <Keybuk> but they haven't followed up with a truck load of cash to make it a formal name <g>
[17:48] <somerville32> hehe
[17:48] <Keybuk> so it's a joke name
[17:50] <somerville32> I think I'll skip itchy and wait for Jolly
[17:50] <Keybuk> I'm gunning for kinky
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[17:55] <desertc> I hear Fedora is moving to Pulse Audio to replace ALSA.  Anyone else spent a day pulling out their hair trying to make ALSA work the way they want?  Anyone with experience with Pulse Audio?  Any thoughts on moving Ubuntu in that direction?
[17:56] <Keybuk> Pulse Audio doesn't replace ALSA
[17:56] <Keybuk> Pulse Audio is a user-space sound caching and mixing daemon
[17:56] <Keybuk> ALSA is a sound driver architecture
[17:56] <Keybuk> Pulse Audio still needs ALSA to output :)
[17:56] <Keybuk> Pulse Audio replaces ESound
[17:56] <desertc> Oh, I see.  Well, thank you for the lesson!
[17:56] <Keybuk> and yes, we're looking at moving in that directory
[17:56] <Keybuk> direction too
[17:57] <Keybuk> in fact, we've looked in that direction several times over our releases
[17:57] <Keybuk> as early as hardy in fact
[17:57] <Burgundavia> hoary, you mean
[17:57] <Robot101> hoary :P
[17:57] <Keybuk> err, I do
[17:57] <Keybuk> how confusing
[17:57] <Keybuk> two "h" distros
[17:57] <Burgundavia> "when hardy met hoary"
[17:58] <desertc> I think sound configuration could be improved in Ubuntu.  Seems like there are many places that need to be checked for audio configuration, and not enough checks to verify things are working at each level.  (Although things are pretty good, especially at the GNOME desktop level.)
[17:58] <Keybuk> yes, that audio swamp still needs draining
[17:58] <desertc> Glad to see this isn't something that was missed by the top brass at Ubuntu!  ;)  Thanks for your opinions.
[17:59] <desertc> Congratulations on a successful Gutsy release and a fun filled Boston Tea Party!  Have a great day.
[18:19] <somerville32> LaserJock, poke
[18:22] <somerville32> Is there anyone around that can look at my RFS?
[18:23] <somerville32> Bug #160219
[18:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 160219 in mousepad "RFS: Mousepad (Main)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/160219
[18:49] <StevenK> ogasawara: I'm letting you off for the time being. :-)
[18:49]  * StevenK waits to see if ogasawara can guess context.
[18:50] <ogasawara> StevenK: no idea what that is referring to
[18:51] <ogasawara> StevenK: oh, is your machine still locking up>?
[19:08] <zul> gah..
[19:23] <cyberix> This might be interresting to some of you http://cs.helsinki.fi/u/twruottu/blog/#packagingprogressquestforubuntu
[19:31] <pwnguin> well, ive looked at the pq boards, and they seem very antagonistic about the source
[19:32] <pwnguin> as in telling people who ask for it to go fuck off because they're obviously stupid idiots who couldn't do anything about it
[19:33] <somerville32> !ohmy
[19:33] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
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[19:33] <pwnguin> their words not mien
[19:33] <pwnguin> in big red capital letters
[19:33] <somerville32> Oh my, indeed.
[19:34] <pwnguin> http://forum.progressquest.com/viewtopic.php?start=0&t=6741
[19:34] <pwnguin> warning: adult language unsuitable for childlike minds
[19:39] <LaserJock> somerville32: yeah?
[19:39] <somerville32> LaserJock, Would you be able to sponsor my upload? :)
[19:40] <somerville32>  Bug #160219
[19:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 160219 in mousepad "RFS: Mousepad (Main)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/160219
[19:40] <pwnguin> cyberix: a) if MOTU officially rejects the package, mediabuntu would at least have something to consider
[19:41] <pwnguin> b) what modficiations have you done exactly?
[19:42] <Chipzz> pwnguin: omg, that forum is like... ...
[19:42] <Chipzz> I'm at a lack of words
[19:43] <cyberix> pwnguin: See http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/pq-0711050330/pq-6.2/
[19:43] <cyberix> pwnguin: Everything except pq.exe, pq.html and the original license in copyright is my work.
[19:43] <Riddell> StevenK: is this the current spec? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/AboutUbuntu
[19:44] <pwnguin> cyberix: have you modified pq.exe itself?
[19:44] <cyberix> pwnguin: Nope.-
[19:44] <pwnguin> or pq.html?
[19:45] <pwnguin> actually, the license for pq is fairly permissive
[19:45] <cyberix> pwnguin: That neither.
[19:45] <pwnguin> your law student should have told you he's not a lawyer and hasn't looked at the specifics
[19:45] <cyberix> pwnguin: I'm talking about packaging freeware in general
[19:45] <cyberix> pwnguin: Chai
[19:45] <cyberix> -dgfasgsdh
[19:46] <cyberix> pwnguin: Changing directory structures might be forbidden in some other cases.
[19:46] <liw> does Ubuntu have "stable", "unstable" symlinks to release code names, the way Debian does? I can't see any on the mirror, so I assume not, but would like confirmation
[19:46] <cyberix> pwnguin: Say, if you want to package a freeware application for Ubuntu and it is currently install.exe
[19:47] <LaserJock> somerville32: don't think so sorry, I'm at work and kinda busy
[19:47] <cyberix> pwnguin: It might be forbidden to install it in a directory and copy the files to your Ubuntu package.
[19:47] <somerville32> LaserJock, okay.
[19:47] <somerville32> LaserJock, Thanks anyhow.
[19:47] <pwnguin> well, every license has the potential to be uniquely annoying
[19:48] <pwnguin> i gather the real reason pq is closed source has to do with preventing cheating
[19:49] <geser> liw: as far as I know there are no such symlinks
[19:50] <pwnguin> i mean, if you're freeware with no intention of selling the code to some other company for a profit later, open source is pure win.
[19:50] <cyberix> pwnguin: That must be it.
[19:50] <cyberix> pwnguin: You're genious
[19:50] <pwnguin> ?
[19:51] <cyberix> pwnguin: Just that I hadn't figured out it was closed because of the general high score problem
[19:51] <pwnguin> which can be mostly solved by intelligent actual security
[19:52] <pwnguin> they likely know this but dont want to take the effort themselves.
[19:59] <cyberix> pwnguin: How?
[20:00] <cyberix> pwnguin: I don't think there is a solution for that.
[20:00] <pwnguin> signed binaries
[20:00] <pwnguin> server side cheating detection
[20:01] <pwnguin> ssl/tls
[20:02] <cyberix> pwnguin: Ah. That.
[20:03] <cyberix> pwnguin: What verifies signature of the binary?
[20:03] <cyberix> What, if you run it in a virtual macine?
[20:03] <pwnguin> but honestly. i think it's an entirely ridiculus platform
[20:05] <pwnguin> its funny for a week
[20:15] <TheMuso> Does anybody know off the top of their head, or a document that mentions the command-line argument to use to get Ubiquity to load straight away from the Gutsy live CD? I.e no desktop, but straight into ubiquity?
[20:16] <somerville32> TheMuso, It isn't a command. You simply need to modify config files.
[20:17] <somerville32> Just disable gdm from loading and instead launch X, a window manager, and Ubiquity :)
[20:19] <TheMuso> somerville32: Hmm, I am not so sure of that. in a session last Week, Colin managed to do it a lot more easily than that.
[20:19] <somerville32> TheMuso, Than there must be a boot option.
[20:20] <somerville32> When you're at the boot screen, go into the options menu
[20:20] <TheMuso> somerville32: Hmm maybe. I was under the impression that it wasn't a user visible option.
[20:21] <somerville32> You would have to type it in
[20:21] <somerville32> It might not be documented also
[20:21] <somerville32> I guess you'll have to look at the logs
[20:21] <seb128__> superm1: could you describe the changes you merge in the changelog?
[20:21] <somerville32> (or ask someone else)
[20:21] <seb128__> superm1: the libgnomesu one has no description
[20:31] <evand> TheMuso: http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com/msg01943.html
[20:32] <evand> so only-ubiquity, provided you're not using preseeding
[20:32] <evand> on the kernel cmdline
[20:33] <StevenK> Riddell: Ah. Sorry, I've been around and about. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyAboutUbuntu
[20:36] <Riddell> StevenK: ok, KDE sentence added
[20:36] <Riddell> StevenK: give me a ping when the gtk version gets to a state where it's worth starting on the qt version
[20:37] <TheMuso> evand: Thank you very much.
[20:39] <evand> TheMuso: anytime
[20:39] <StevenK> Riddell: Sure. At this point I want to get the spec approved.
[20:42] <siretart> StevenK: thanks for your work on bug #139635
[20:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 139635 in libgpg-error "[cryptsetup] library dependency in /sbin/cryptsetup" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/139635
[20:43] <siretart> StevenK: do you take the SRU uploads over as well?
[20:45] <StevenK> siretart: I did not. I need to poke more and get gnutls13 to actually build
[20:45] <StevenK> pitti: Can you point me at the perl package that wants to pull yada into main?
[20:46] <pitti> StevenK: btw, did you see that gnutls13 FTBFSed? It can't find the .la file (looking in /lib)
[20:46] <siretart> StevenK: ok, but do you intend to?
[20:46] <pitti> StevenK: sure, it's in component-mismatches.txt
[20:46] <StevenK> pitti: I did. I wanted to talk to you about it.
[20:47] <gicmo> hey hey pitti
[20:47] <pitti> StevenK: I asked Keybuk, and I think we should just move everything to /lib (including the .la)
[20:47] <StevenK> pitti: Ah. I will look
[20:47] <pitti> StevenK: libbsd-resource-perl
[20:47] <gicmo> so what script do people use for the keysigning?
[20:47] <pitti> StevenK: pulled in by libapache2-mod-perl2
[20:47] <gicmo> I tried to one from keysigning-party fails with some strange error inside of Mailer.pm
[20:48] <pitti> StevenK: I'm currently doing some archive cleanup (just killed binary NEW, yay), I'll look into gpg-erro later if you want me to
[20:48] <StevenK> pitti: Please. I'm happy to fix it, I just need a hint.
[20:49] <pitti> StevenK: I think moving everything to /lib should be fine
[20:49] <pitti> StevenK: autoconf doesn't really support the splitting, and libtool just keeps getting it wrong, so let's stop trying
[20:49] <StevenK> pitti: Sure, I will reupload both of them.
[20:50] <pitti> StevenK: . o O {base-files.preinst: ln -s / /usr }
[20:50] <pitti> StevenK: both?
[20:50] <pitti> StevenK: you mean libgcrypt needs the same treatment?
[20:50] <StevenK> pitti: I suspect it does.
[20:50] <StevenK> pitti: Since it has the same thing.
[20:55] <pitti> StevenK: doing NBS now FYI, to get rid of some noise in hardy_outdate
[20:56] <pitti> StevenK: ah, no, need to wait for buildds first
[21:06] <slangasek> keescook: did you give me a fingerprint copy when you flashed me your ID?  because I think I took it out in the hotel in Cambridge for signing, and with due care left it sitting on the desk when I checked out
[21:06] <keescook> slangasek: hehe
[21:06] <keescook> slangasek: I may be out of biz cards.
[21:07] <slangasek> oh, was it on a business card?
[21:08] <fabbione> slangasek: did Principessa arrived home?
[21:08] <slangasek> if it was a business card, there's still a chance that it's in my possession and I just need to sort out where
[21:08] <slangasek> fabbione: I just got an SMS from her saying that she's landed in PDX
[21:09] <fabbione> slangasek: ok cool
[21:17] <YokoZar> keescook: that reminds me, I just signed your key
[21:18] <keescook> YokoZar: excellent!  thanks.  :)
[21:18] <YokoZar> I think I gave out about 25 cards, but I only got 5 signatures or so so far
[21:18] <keescook> YokoZar: I hope one of those was from me.  :)
[21:19] <keescook> I've gotten 1 so far.  :P
[21:19] <YokoZar> Thunderbird w/ enigmail by far provides the best interface to this.  Just search for key by their email address, right click sign key, verify the fingerprint, then I can upload it myself (or mail it to them)
[21:19] <YokoZar> It's even better than seahorse
[21:19]  * keescook is a caff (signing-party) junkie
[21:23] <Mithrandir> keescook: we've signed beers^Wkeys, haven't we?
[21:24] <keescook> Mithrandir: I thought so, but I think you never sent mine back to me -- let me double-check
[21:24] <mdke> can you securely sign a beer?
[21:24] <Mithrandir> mdke: sure.
[21:24] <keescook> Mithrandir: yeah, no sig from you in my keyring.
[21:24] <cyberix> "a beer" is quite short.
[21:24] <cyberix> Are you sure it cannot be used in a security attack
[21:24] <Mithrandir> keescook: hm, weird.  I have it in my signing.input file.
[21:25] <mdke> Mithrandir: I suppose if it's your 4th beer, it's not so trusted
[21:25] <Mithrandir> mdke: true dat
[21:26] <slangasek> surely that depends on your beer metric and whether you're in the Soberly Connected Component
[21:27] <superm1_> pitti, ping
[21:27] <pitti> superm1_: pong
[21:27] <keescook> Mithrandir: do you want to see my passport again?
[21:27] <superm1_> hey pitti i just got some bugmail with comments on the mythtv sru
[21:27] <gicmo> seb128: ALTER!
[21:28] <seb128> gicmo: Alter!!!
[21:28] <gicmo> mvo: some for you
[21:28] <gicmo> same
[21:28] <seb128> how is that going?
[21:28] <gicmo> ;-)
[21:28] <gicmo> pretty good
[21:28] <gicmo> jetlag though
[21:28] <mvo> gicmo: hello! good to see you :)
[21:28] <gicmo> indeed!
[21:28] <mvo> gicmo: who was your presentation?
[21:28] <gicmo> how is it going?
[21:28] <mvo> how
[21:28] <mvo> even :)
[21:28] <superm1_> pitti, i had thought the archive admin's role in this was just to check version numbers, and then let people actually do the testing once it's built
[21:28] <gicmo> mvo: it IS tomorrow!
[21:28] <gicmo> ;-)
[21:28] <superm1_> since motu-sru doesn't exist anymore
[21:28] <Riddell> mvo: http://isv-image.ubuntu.com/vmware/
[21:29] <Mithrandir> keescook: given that I have your fingerprint here, no
[21:29] <keescook> Mithrandir: okay, cool.
[21:29] <Mithrandir> if it's not 9FA3 C49C 23C9 D1BC 2E30  1975 1FFF 4BA9 1706 3E6D
[21:29] <Mithrandir> you need to tell me
[21:29] <keescook> looks good to me.
[21:33] <Mithrandir> keescook: sent
[21:33]  * keescook hugs Mithrandir (and slangasek)
[21:33] <keescook> now lets see if anyone actually gets through to outflux.net.  :P  yay for my insano anti-spam filters.
[21:35] <Mithrandir> 2007-11-05 22:33:56 1Ip9Zu-0006Es-7D <= tfheen@err.no H=(thosu.err.no) [75.144.175.202] P
[21:35] <Mithrandir> =esmtps X=TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32 S=9525 id=20071105213401.B35D457989@thosu.e
[21:35] <Mithrandir> rr.no
[21:35] <Mithrandir> 2007-11-05 22:34:22 1Ip9Zu-0006Es-7D => kees@outflux.net R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp H=smtp
[21:35] <Mithrandir> .outflux.net [69.93.193.226] X=TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32
[21:35] <Mithrandir> 2007-11-05 22:34:22 1Ip9Zu-0006Es-7D Completed
[21:35] <Mithrandir> seems like it
[21:35] <keescook> sweet
[21:36] <keescook> now slangasek will poke me in the eye for reject email from dynamic IPs.  :P
[21:36] <keescook> *rejecting
[21:36] <Mithrandir> why would he send from a dynamic IP?
[21:38] <slangasek> haha
[21:39] <slangasek> I won't poke you in the eye, I'll just note that I sent the mails using caff and didn't otherwise note down your key fingerprint, so you might have trouble getting my sig :)
[21:39] <pitti> bdmurray: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates?action=diff -> ok?
[21:42] <keescook> slangasek: yup.  but if you felt like hand-sending the .caff/keys/2007-11-05/1FFF4BA917063E6D.key.*outflux*.asc file to me, I wouldn't mind.  :)
[21:42] <slangasek> heh :)
[21:43] <Mithrandir> or just set up a proper MTA on your laptop
[21:43] <slangasek> I have a proper MTA on my laptop kthx
[21:44] <Mithrandir> make it use freerelay.err.no or a similar service, then?
[21:45] <slangasek> what, and play into the hands of email terrists like kees?
[21:45] <keescook> I knew I wouldn't avoid the flames for long.  ;)
[21:46]  * keescook suspends
[21:50] <Keybuk> has anyone contacted our FreeNode contact about our shared IP?
[21:55] <gicmo> hey Keybuk
[21:55] <Keybuk> hey
[22:01] <superm1_> slangasek, are you still here?
[23:11] <IntuitiveNipple> Any ideas why kdelib's libkmid MidiPlayer component only plays the first note of a MIDI file (called from kmid) on x86_64 ?
[23:38] <unggnu> Woran kann es liegen, dass dvdauthor und ffmpeg > /dev/null ignorieren?
[23:38] <unggnu> 2> geht, aber eigetnlich sind as keine Fehler
[23:39] <unggnu> und die Fehler möchte ich ja gerade haben
[23:39] <tormod> unggnu: wrong channel? :)
[23:39] <unggnu> Warst Du da?
[23:39] <unggnu> I am sorry
[23:39] <unggnu> too late
[23:40] <unggnu> ciao