[00:00] <Ow1> aaaa
[00:00] <Ow1> edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[00:00] <Ow1> but i think at the next update they will be replaced, unless you copy them at the end of the file
[00:01] <quittt> Ow1, that's what I mean
[00:01] <quittt> Ow1, how is it configured?
[00:01] <Ow1> edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[00:16] <nny> hmm new windows don't grab focus
[00:16] <nny> anyw ay to fix this in xfce
[00:16] <nny> ?
[00:23] <chef_> I have a old computer (200MMX 64MB ram) and would like to use it with xubuntu as a http-server without gui and also maintain it via the net
[00:23] <chef_> is xubuntu the right linux for that and if so how should I start and what things need to be done?
[00:23] <chef_> thanx for every sugestion in advance
[00:23] <bob301> Is there a performance difference between installing ubuntu and then the xubuntu package versus installing xubuntu directly?
[00:24] <tonyyarusso> chef_: if you're going no-gui, you should just use the ubuntu server cd
[00:24] <TheSheep> chef_: if you don't need gui, I'd recommend either ubuntu server or gui
[00:24] <tonyyarusso> bob301: no
[00:24] <TheSheep> chef_: sorry, or debian :)
[00:26] <bob301> OK. I'm running on a fairly old laptop (650 MHz Intel / 256 RAM) and I'm looking for improved performance from a modern Linux distro. Are there tips for improving Xubuntu, or a better distro than what I am currently using?
[00:26] <TheSheep> bob301: how experienced with linux are you?
[00:27] <bob301> I've been using Ubuntu on my main machine for about a year and a half. Xubuntu on my laptop for about 8 months. Came over as a power suer from Windows.
[00:27] <bob301> Not sure if that answers the question
[00:28] <TheSheep> bob301: what about the internals?
[00:28] <TheSheep> bob301: ever compiled a kernel?
[00:28] <bob301> I don't know how to compile a kernel, but I can follow guides and figure most stuff out
[00:29] <TheSheep> bob301: ok, you can remove the things you don't use from xubuntu
[00:30] <TheSheep> bob301: like printing, wireless, bluetooh
[00:31] <bob301> I can do this without recompiling?
[00:31] <TheSheep> bob301: you can try using opera instead of firefox -- it's supposed to be a little faster and lighter
[00:31] <TheSheep> bob301: yes, yes
[00:31] <TheSheep> bob301: just uninstall them in synaptic
[00:33] <TheSheep> bob301: lighter IM client is an option too, especially if you can say with jabber only
[00:33] <chef_> to TheSheep: I thougth xubuntu is the version using the least resources i thing ubuntu is not going towork on my old machine
[00:33] <bob301> I understand that I can remove the unused virtual terminals as well?
[00:33] <TheSheep> chef_: 'ubuntu server' is the 'core' ubuntu, both xubuntu and ubuntu use it as its base
[00:34] <TheSheep> bob301: they are not worth bothering -- they don't use cpu and use minimal ab\mounts of memory, most of it shared
[00:35] <bob301> Thanks for the advice. I'll start working on it.
[00:36] <TheSheep> bob301: don't remove dbus or hal
[00:38] <bob301> I'll be sure not to remove anything I don't understand
[00:39] <chef_> okay i will check it out, but before starting: what do I have to config to maintain the system via another computer?
[00:40] <TheSheep> bob301: it will probably ask you to remove xubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-base or ubuntu-minimal -- these are meta packages, they are empty themselves and can be removed, as long as you don't do 'autoremove' after that
[00:41] <TheSheep> chef_: openssh-server, so that you can connect to it via ssh
[00:46] <chef_> What program do I need on the maintainer computer to use the openssh_server
[00:46] <chef_> or the ssh connection
[00:47] <TheSheep> chef_: ssh, installed by default
[00:47] <big_area> howdy all, im trying to configure conky1.4.8 and the configure script says that it cannot find my X11 installation
[00:48] <TheSheep> big_area: you probably need to install some -dev packages with header files
[00:48] <big_area> ah
[00:49] <TheSheep> xorg-xserver-dev or something
[00:49] <chef_> no I mean the windows computer with which I i maintain the server
[00:49] <TheSheep> chef_: putty is a nice ssh client for windows
[00:49] <TheSheep> chef_: but you won't be able to runn gui apps over shh from windows
[00:50] <big_area> can i just apt-get that
[00:50] <TheSheep> big_area: yes, I think best just look at what files it needs and search for them in synaptic
[00:52] <chef_> there is no need for gui: I just want the old machine to do something usefull by running a small web-server so I get to know lnux a bit more and hopefully better :-)
[00:52] <TheSheep> chef_: then putty is good. There is also winscp for copying files over ssh from windows
[00:56] <chef_> that winscp is a good tip! thx! i thought of using samba but I was never able to config it right
[00:58] <big_area> now im lacking XdbeQueryExtension
[00:58] <TheSheep> big_area: search in synaptic doesn't show anything?
[01:00] <travisbickkle> hey how do i fix the time so it uses NTP in xubuntu?
[01:00] <crimsun> it should by default.
[01:00] <TheSheep> travisbickkle: settings->time and date
[01:00] <big_area> nothing
[01:00] <travisbickkle> i don't have settings time and date
[01:01] <TheSheep> travisbickkle: are you using xubuntu?
[01:01] <travisbickkle> yup fiesty
[01:02] <travisbickkle> oh system time and date
[01:02] <travisbickkle> found it thats
[01:02] <travisbickkle> thanks*
[01:03] <travisbickkle> it says its 3:02 pm. It must not be updating and it doesn't let me manually force a sync throught the gui?
[01:03] <chef_> thanx for the help and have a nice day!
[01:04] <TheSheep> travisbickkle: maybe he timezone is not right?
[01:04] <TheSheep> big_area: try libxdb-dev
[01:05] <travisbickkle> TheSheep:No it's correct. I figure i'll just upgrade and deal with it afterwards.
[01:05] <travisbickkle> What is improved for xubuntu in gutsy gibbon or maybe i shoudln't upgrade?
[01:06] <TheSheep> travisbickkle: people report a general speedup
[01:07] <travisbickkle> Why?
[01:08] <TheSheep> travisbickkle: I suppose it's mostly because the default theme uses a faster theme engine
[01:09] <travisbickkle> Oh. Does it look the same as before though?
[01:10] <TheSheep> travisbickkle: no, I think it looks much better
[01:11] <big_area> no luck
[01:14] <travisbickkle> so how do i upgrade to gutsy?
[01:15] <travisbickkle> oh nvmind i found it.
[01:33] <big_area> wow it just wont stop giving me dependancy problems
[01:33] <big_area> says i dont have glib-2
[01:36] <TheSheep> glib2-dev
[01:36] <TheSheep> libglib2-dev
[01:36] <big_area> thanks, just found it
[01:37] <TheSheep> to compile C programs, you need to have the header files of libraries they use
[01:37] <TheSheep> xubuntu doesn't come with header files by default, because you are supposed to use the programs from he repositories, rather than compile them yourself
[01:38] <big_area> ah
[01:38] <TheSheep> big_area: but it is of course possible to compile them too
[01:39] <big_area> of course
[02:02] <PegLeg> damn, xubuntu runs sooo much better if you wipe out ubuntu - very low footprint
[02:02] <big_area> gracias sheep,
[02:03] <big_area> //leave
[02:06] <PegLeg> ! xset
[02:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xset - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:01] <nny> how do I remove some saved programs from startup? getting multiple instances running from a saved session
[04:02] <nny> nm foudn it
[05:12] <toxop1asma> not a lively channel, is it
[05:12] <toxop1asma> i guess no one ever has problems with xubuntu
[06:15] <moebius8> hi new user here getting ready to install on an old compaq i think i have down what i need to do for my wireless card but does anyone know if theres any special steps i need to take to get my dfe-670 lan card to work also?
[06:16] <moebius8> oh this is a laptop btw :)
[06:21] <The-Kernel> have you seen if it works? Or are you just asking if it does
[06:22] <moebius8> no im just asking if anyone had experience with it in general
[06:22] <moebius8> i cant find it listed anywhere on google sadly other than debian seems to support it
[06:27] <The-Kernel> moebius8 it is most likely supported
[06:28] <moebius8> kk i thought it was myself lol ill find out in a bit
[06:30] <moebius8> also this is a general question does gnome really use up enough resources to tax a 16 meg agp chipset? i would prefer to install the normal ubuntu distro but all the advice ive gotten says it would run badly if at all given the limited amount of video ram
[06:31] <moebius8> but ive seen gnome installed on systems with a 4meg pci sis card granted it didnt look all that inspiring but it ran
[07:28] <Inuyasha32246> hi all
[07:28] <Pferdefreund> Guten abend ist hier wer aus deutschland
[07:29] <Inuyasha32246> ello?
[09:28] <htraki> hi,everyone
[09:28] <htraki> I would like to know ENE CB 712/4 card reader works with gusty?
[13:08] <loak> Hello all, After a fresh install of xubuntu, everything is fine, but after few minutes my screen is black, a move of the mouse make it come back, it seems to be something with power management, but I can't  find a menu to set it, any idea ?
[13:12] <pleia2> loak: try the screensaver settings
[13:14] <loak> pleia2: I've tried, I can make the screen saver come before the screen goes black, but after the same time, it becomes black again
[13:25] <thnee> can i make thunar show total size of all items in a folder on the folder?
[13:47] <Woodruff_> is there much diffrence between ubuntu and xubuntu in user use ?
[13:47] <vinze> Well, yeah...
[13:47] <nanonyme> as much as there is difference between gnome and xfce
[13:53] <Woodruff_> whats the diffrence?
[13:53] <vinze> The whole environment...
[13:53] <vinze> Too much to name, actually
[13:53] <nanonyme> you'd have to try both, really
[13:55] <Woodruff_> i am installing xubuntu now as ubuntu was too heavy on my laptop
[13:55] <Woodruff_> i need it mostly for development of java
[13:56] <Woodruff_> so just wanted to know what to look for
[13:56] <Woodruff_> will i still have the same application manager add/remove installer?
[13:56] <vinze> Yeah
[13:56] <Woodruff_> since i am realy new to linux
[13:56] <vinze> Most of Ubuntu's nifty tools are still there
[13:58] <Woodruff_> plus i had some problem with my wireless connection
[13:58] <vinze> Which version?
[13:58] <vinze> (Of Ubuntu and Xubuntu)
[13:58] <Woodruff_> i searched google and saw some post saying about installing NDISWrapper
[13:58] <Woodruff_> i had problems with the ubuntu version
[13:58] <Woodruff_> its an IBM Laptop
[13:59] <vinze> But was it Ubuntu 7.10? And which version of Xubuntu are you installing now?
[13:59] <Woodruff_> the latest
[13:59] <Woodruff_> 7.10
[13:59] <Woodruff_> i think
[13:59] <vinze> OK
[13:59] <Woodruff_> can it be working now ?
[13:59] <vinze> And when you click the NetworkManager icon, is your wireless network visible?
[14:00] <Woodruff_> it is and i see my network
[14:00] <Woodruff_> and i actually managed to connect one time
[14:00] <vinze> Then there is no need to install Ndiswrapper
[14:00] <Woodruff_> but most of the times it ask me for a key and password
[14:00] <Woodruff_> when this is a open network
[14:00] <Woodruff_> and no key pass is needed
[14:00] <vinze> You can try using "Manual configuration...", that is what I did to make it work
[14:01] <Woodruff_> i tried it
[14:01] <Woodruff_> just asked me to write the name
[14:01] <Woodruff_> i think its a driver problem
[14:01] <vinze> Well, if it can see networks then the driver works I suppopse
[14:01] <Woodruff_> well but it connected one time
[14:01] <vinze> So why didn't just setting the name work?
[14:01] <Woodruff_> and now it asks me for WAP
[14:01] <Woodruff_> or some password
[14:02] <Woodruff_> and a key
[14:02] <Woodruff_> even that my network is open for use
[14:02] <vinze> ...so why didn't just setting the name work?
[14:02] <Woodruff_> it didnt connect
[14:03] <Woodruff_> i dont why
[14:03] <vinze> Odd...
[14:03] <vinze> Well, of course you could *try* using the Windows driver
[14:03] <Woodruff_> yes.. i will try it again when xubuntu installation finish and let you know
[14:03] <vinze> OK
[14:03] <Woodruff_> thanks :)
[14:19] <Woodruff_> ok
[14:19] <Woodruff_> when i click "Manual Configuration
[14:19] <Woodruff_> it starts the network setting screen
[14:19] <vinze> Yes
[14:19] <Woodruff_> how do i add my wireless network
[14:19] <Woodruff_> ?
[14:19] <vinze> You select "Wireless connection", then click "Properties"
[14:20] <Woodruff_> ok done
[14:20] <vinze> Then uncheck "Enable roaming mode"
[14:20] <Woodruff_> i dismarked the "roaming mode"
[14:20] <Woodruff_> uncheck
[14:20] <vinze> OK
[14:20] <vinze> Then you can enter your network's name and click OK
[14:20] <Woodruff_> but it ask me for some other information
[14:20] <vinze> Oh, and set Configuration to "Automatic Configuration" (unless you want something else)
[14:20] <Woodruff_> ahh
[14:20] <Woodruff_> ok
[14:21] <vinze> You should then be able to click OK
[14:21] <Woodruff_> yes
[14:21] <Woodruff_> now i am back to that screen of settings
[14:21] <vinze> Now, make sure the checkbox in front of "Wireless connection" is checked
[14:21] <Woodruff_> it does
[14:22] <vinze> Did it show a progress bar saying it is configuring your network? If not, uncheck the box and re-check it again
[14:22] <Woodruff_> ok its "Changing interface configuration"
[14:23] <vinze> OK, when that's done you can click Close and your internet connection should work
[14:23] <Woodruff_> done it and now its back to settings
[14:23] <Woodruff_> yep
[14:23] <Woodruff_> working
[14:23] <vinze> Yay!
[14:23] <Woodruff_> Thanks alot vinze
[14:23] <vinze> np :)\
[14:25] <Woodruff_> i dont see however the Application add/remove thing
[14:25] <vinze> It's under Applications->System->Add/Remove...
[14:26] <Woodruff_> ahh ok thanks
[14:26] <Woodruff_> will play abit with it
[14:29] <Woodruff_> any idea how to install the Java JRE as the sudo apt-get install isnt working ?
[14:30] <vinze> Search Add/Remove... for java (be sure to select "All Available Applications" in the top-right drop-down menu)
[14:31] <Anarchtic_> anyone know why ubuntu still uses beta gimp
[14:32] <TheSheep> Anarchtic_: because they didn't release before ubuntu was released
[14:32] <Anarchtic_> well how would i go about updating it
[14:32] <Woodruff_> humm its saying "The list of applications is not available"
[14:32] <vinze> Why would you? Are you experiencing problems?
[14:32] <Woodruff_> and i press refresh but it still wouldnt let me mark it
[14:33] <vinze> Woodruff_, try opening the Synaptic Package Manager and clicking "Reload"
[14:33] <Anarchtic_> no i just have a thing about having the latest software
[14:33] <vinze> O crap
[14:33] <vinze> Anarchtic_, perhaps a package is available on getdeb.net
[14:33] <Woodruff_> how do i do it?
[14:33] <vinze> Woodruff_, sorry, no idea :(
[14:33] <Anarchtic_> oh ya =] i fogot about that site, ily VINZE
[14:33] <TheSheep> Anarchtic_: that's silly, here's the list of differences: http://developer.gimp.org/NEWS-2.4
[14:34] <TheSheep> Anarchtic_: I doubt you really need any of these
[14:34] <Anarchtic_> another thing does anyone have a nice profile i can use for compiz fusion
[14:35] <vinze> Anarchtic_, I can try uploading mine, wait a sec
[14:35] <Anarchtic_> ok
[14:35] <Woodruff_> ok found it
[14:37] <vinze> Anarchtic_, http://www.filegunner.net/uploadedfiles/802633cf_vincent.profile
[14:37] <vinze> Woodruff_, how did you solve it?
[14:38] <Woodruff_> i didnt
[14:38] <Anarchtic_> sweet ill try it
[14:38] <Woodruff_> its still not working
[14:38] <Woodruff_> but i did found the synaptic manager
 ok found it
[14:38] <vinze> Oh...
[14:38] <vinze> Most adminstration stuff is in Applications->System
[14:58] <Anarchtic_> whats a good place to get themes
[14:59] <TheSheep> Anarchtic_: xfce-look.org
[14:59] <vinze> Anarchtic_, I got mine from http://themes.beryl-project.org/ (if you mean Emerald themes)
[14:59] <Anarchtic_> ty both of you
[15:00] <vinze> Which did you mean? I assumed Emerald because I'm busy with that atm :P
[15:01] <Anarchtic_> not emerald
[15:01] <Anarchtic_> i wanted more meta themes
[15:01] <vinze> Meta?
[15:01] <TheSheep> Anarchtic_: xfce doesn't do meta
[15:01] <Anarchtic_> but is there more emerald themes on that site thats not in there repo
[15:01] <Anarchtic_> well what is it then
[15:01] <Anarchtic_> gtk?
[15:02] <TheSheep> Anarchtic_: xfce has gtk and window manager themes
[15:02] <Anarchtic_> well thats what i need something to match my emerald theme
[15:02] <TheSheep> Anarchtic_: gtk styles the general looks of widgets and generally window contents, window manager themes style the window borders
[15:02] <Woodruff_> lol solved it vinze
[15:02] <Woodruff_> i had to unmark the comments in the sources.list file
[15:02] <TheSheep> Anarchtic_: that'd be gtk
[15:02] <Woodruff_> thats why it wasnt working
[15:03] <vinze> Woodruff_, cool :)
[15:03] <Anarchtic_> ok and good job woodruff
[15:09] <Anarchtic_> how would i go about installing candido
[15:09] <Anarchtic_> the engine
[15:09] <TheSheep> Anarchtic_: look for it in he repos?
[15:09] <TheSheep> Anarchtic_: if it's not there, look for a deb
[15:10] <Anarchtic_> ok
[15:51] <Sahil> hey i dont have a volume icon in Xubuntu 7.10
[15:51] <Sahil> what can i do?
[15:54] <Sahil> anyone??
[15:55] <somerville32> Sahil, Hi
[15:55] <Sahil> hi :)
[15:55] <somerville32> Right click panel, add new item
[15:55] <somerville32> And than select the volume control applet
[15:55] <somerville32> :)
[15:55] <Sahil> yeah i tried that, nothing happens :(
[15:56] <Sahil> i dunno why it went away all of a sudden, and the only way to adjust the sound is to run alsamixer in the terminal and adjust it from there
[15:56] <somerville32> Try: alt + F2
[15:57] <Sahil> yeah a box popped open
[15:57] <R[a]ndom> why not just add the volume control plugin to the panel?
[15:57] <somerville32> Enter killall xfce4-mixer
[15:57] <somerville32> And then hit enter
[15:57] <somerville32> And then try adding it again in the panel
[15:57] <R[a]ndom> cause im an idiot ignore me
[15:58] <Sahil> HEY IT WORKED!!!
[15:58] <Sahil> you smart lil cookie
[15:58] <somerville32> :)
[15:59] <The-Kernel> wow
[15:59] <The-Kernel> what's with all the sarcasm this morning?
[15:59] <somerville32> I don't think he or she was being sarcastic, lol
[15:59] <Sahil> its night where i am :)
[15:59] <Sahil> nope i wasnt
[15:59] <The-Kernel> well
[15:59] <The-Kernel> ironic
[16:00] <somerville32> :)
[16:00]  * somerville32 sings the happy happy song for everyone's enjoyment.
[16:00] <Sahil> man sometimes i feel so stupid when people solve my problems so easily
[16:00] <somerville32> Sahil, That wasn't "easy".
[16:00] <The-Kernel> This time change thing is making me get up so early
[16:01] <somerville32> Sahil, It is completely understandable that you wouldn't have thought about killing the process when you didn't even think it was running (heck, you might not even know what that means!)
[16:01] <somerville32> And it isn't expected of you. Things in *ubuntu should just work and we try our best to provide that :)
[16:01] <Sahil> nope i knew what it meant
[16:01] <Sahil> i have done it with my panels
[16:02]  * somerville32 nods.
[16:02] <somerville32> Welp, if it happens again, you know what to try! :)
[16:02] <Sahil> definately, i just switched to xubuntu last night lol, and i was messing with some files today
[16:02] <Sahil> crossed over from ubuntu
[16:02] <somerville32> If you run into any problems, make sure to file bug reports :)
[16:03] <Sahil> allrighty im off to dinner, ill be in here a lot now
[16:03] <Sahil> peace
[16:04] <somerville32> :)
[16:20] <ader10> I installed xfce on top of ubuntu, and gnome is overriding some of xfce's things (like metacity vs xfwm4) making a very unintegrated desktop. How do I stop gnome from taking over xfce?
[16:26] <ader10> Yeah, guys. Thanks for ignoring me. You're all real helpful.
[16:27] <somerville32> ader10, Hi
[16:27] <somerville32> How did you install xfce4?
[16:28] <ader10> aptitude install xubuntu-desktop
[16:28] <somerville32> And when you login, you've selected the Xfce4 desktop from the sessions menu, right?
[16:28] <ader10> Correct
[16:30] <somerville32> Maybe the install didn't fully complete as you're the first person I've seen report this inconsistency
[16:30] <ader10> I'll try again, one moment
[16:30] <somerville32> Thank you.
[16:30] <needcoffee> hi, werden die lesezeichen von thunar (in der seitenleiste) irgendwo in einer rc datei oder sowas gespeichert?
[16:30] <somerville32> !dutch
[16:30] <ubotu> Nederlandstalige ondersteuning voor Ubuntu (en vers gezette koffie) is te vinden in #ubuntu-nl
[16:31] <needcoffee> ist's a english channel?
[16:31] <needcoffee> *is it
[16:31] <ader10> david@david-desktop:~$ sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop
[16:31] <ader10> ...
[16:31] <ader10> No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
[16:31] <ader10> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[16:31] <ader10> Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used.
[16:31] <somerville32> needcoffee, This is an english channel.
[16:31] <gerro> hello everyone
[16:32] <needcoffee> somerville32, ah ok...is there a rc file or similar where thunar stores the bookmarks from the sidepane?
[16:32] <ader10> (means it's installed completely)
[16:33] <gerro> needcoffee: all the stuff related to thunar is under .xfce I think
[16:33] <needcoffee> gerro, i'll check this, thank you
[16:33] <gerro> needcoffee: could try ls -a to check
[16:34] <somerville32> ader10, Try: dpkg -C
[16:35] <ader10> Nothing happens :P
[16:35] <needcoffee> gerro, there are some files unter ~/.config/Thunar, but none of them stores informations about the bookmarks used in the sidepane
[16:36] <gerro> yep .config just found it myself
[16:36] <gerro> needcoffee: see if thunar gui has any extra options and if not, might want to try compiling your own copy
[16:37] <ader10> Maybe the session entry is wrong...
[16:37] <gerro> I got a lot of junk in my /home I've got to dump
[16:37] <needcoffee> :)
[16:37] <ader10> I don't know how to check it though.
[16:38] <needcoffee> i would like to change the icons of the bookmarks and maybe remove the text (describtion) of them...but...hmm, seems not possible
[16:39] <ader10> Be right back
[16:42] <ader10> This is making me pretty confused and mad...
[16:42] <ader10> I don't know how to fix it.
[16:43] <ader10> sudo dpkg -C doesn't do anything.
[16:43] <somerville32> ader10, 1 second
[16:44] <somerville32> Try apt-get install xfwm4
[16:44] <ader10> xfwm4 is already the newest version.
[16:44] <ader10> xfwm4 set to manual installed.
[16:45] <somerville32> TheSheep, ping
[16:49] <somerville32> ader10, I'm sure TheSheep can help you when he wakes up :)
[16:49] <somerville32> ader10, But I think you're right
[16:49] <needcoffee> ader10, whats the problem?
[16:50] <ader10> I installed xfce on top of ubuntu, and now I'm logging in w/ xfce session as default, but gnome things keep replacing xfce things, like xfwm4 vs metacity
[16:51] <ader10> I want to stop gnome from overriding xfce
[16:51] <needcoffee> have you removed gnome, or do you want to keep it?
[16:52] <ader10> I've tried to remove gnome.
[16:52] <ader10> I can't find out how on the forums or on google
[16:52] <ader10> any ideas?
[16:53] <needcoffee> i do the same some times ago (from ubuntu > xubuntu)...i just removed the ubuntu-desktop and the gnome -desktop files
[16:53] <ader10> Tell me how you did
[16:54] <needcoffee> try sudo apt-get remove --purge gnome-desktop-data gnome-desktop-environment
[16:54] <ader10> gnome-desktop-environment isn't installed but it's removing gnome-desktop-data
[16:55] <TheSheep> somerville32: hm?
[16:55] <ader10> wait a little
[16:55] <somerville32> TheSheep, ader10 needs help :)
[16:55] <needcoffee> it will remove some other files, maybe take a look at the list before type in "y"...maybe it will remove gdm, too, so keep a look and reinstall it if you wish
[16:55] <ader10> yeah
[16:55] <ader10> I'll keep that in mind
[16:55] <ader10> good, nothing vital is removed
[16:56] <ader10> should I ctrl-alt-backspace and do a new session?
[16:56] <needcoffee> try if you like
[16:56] <ader10> ok brb
[16:57] <TheSheep> ader10: wha seems to be the problem?
[16:57] <TheSheep> ...
[16:58] <needcoffee> TheSheep, maybe you can give me a hint...i'm trying to change the icons for bookmarks in the sidepane but can't find any rc file or similar to do so
[16:58] <needcoffee> ader10, works?
[16:58] <ader10> Wonderful, no gnome stuff but some xfce stuff doesn't load
[16:59] <needcoffee> which?
[16:59] <ader10> I don't know what it's called :P I have to go to the desktop prefrences and check the "Allow Xfce to manage the desktop" thing.
[17:00] <needcoffee> ader10, have you installed the xfce4-mcs-manager and xfce4-mcs-plugins...regarding the  "Allow Xfce to manage the desktop" thing, ihave no clue what you mean ^^
[17:01] <ader10> needcoffee: Assuming you're on xubuntu and xfce is working fine, right click the desktop and click Desktop Settings.
[17:01] <ader10> From there, at the top, there's a check box
[17:02] <PuppiesAtWork> how much HDD space does Xubuntu takje up?
[17:02] <ader10> needcoffee: I have the xfce4-mcs* stuff installed
[17:02] <ader10> PuppiesAtWork: A bit less than ubuntu
[17:02] <PuppiesAtWork> like
[17:02] <needcoffee> ader10, i'm not on xfce at the moment, i'm using ion right now
[17:02] <PuppiesAtWork> i need one that installs to under a gig
[17:02] <somerville32> PuppiesAtWork, no go :)
[17:02] <ader10> PuppiesAtWork: I don't think xubuntu is that small
[17:03] <PuppiesAtWork> how can I make it so open office and none of the extras are instaled?
[17:03] <zoredache> don't install the xubuntu-desktop package...  manually install only the things you need
[17:03] <ader10> needcoffee: What's the desktop manager for xfce?
[17:03] <zoredache> the install is a lot more challenging though
[17:03] <needcoffee> ader10, ah, i think i get what you mean...do you want xfce to handle the desktop (icons etc.)?!
[17:03] <ader10> yes
[17:04] <needcoffee> ader10, it's xfwm4
[17:04] <somerville32> Actually, it is xfdesktop
[17:04] <somerville32> xfwm4 is the window manager
[17:04] <ader10> That's what I though
[17:04] <ader10> thought
[17:04] <somerville32> And I think ader10 already has xfdesktop4 enabled
[17:05] <ader10> I have it enabled but it doesn't automatically start
[17:05] <ader10> Can I assume that it'll start automatically from now on now that gnome's gone?
[17:05] <nny> is there a way to connect to ssh/ smb file shares with thunar?
[17:05] <zoredache> PuppiesAtWork: why do you need an install like that anyway?  Why not just use the livecd?
[17:05] <somerville32> ader10, If you logout normally, it'll boot next time
[17:05] <PuppiesAtWork> zoredache: so i can play counter strike
[17:05] <somerville32> nny, no
[17:05] <PuppiesAtWork> i only have 4.9GB of space on the partition though
[17:05] <somerville32> nny, Not directly
[17:05] <PuppiesAtWork> and CS takes up like 3.5
[17:05] <ader10> somerville32: Ok, brb
[17:05] <nny> eww
[17:06] <nny> somerville32, thats a big gap
[17:06] <somerville32> nny, Not really :/
[17:06] <nny> somerville32, whats the indirect route?
[17:06] <somerville32> nny, Fuse hack
[17:06] <nny> somerville32, yeah it is if you deal with scp over ssh and smb shares in a network
[17:06] <somerville32> nny, There are other tools available
[17:06] <nny> what tools are you suggesting?
[17:07] <ader10> It doesn't start automatically
[17:07] <needcoffee> 1 sec pls
[17:07] <somerville32> ader10, Slap your computer. It is misbehaving
[17:07] <ader10> somerville32: Err, now the screen just went all yellow
[17:07] <ader10> xD j/k
[17:08] <somerville32> nny, I don't have a recommendation but you should be able to find a few in add/remove
[17:08] <ader10> brb, gonna try a few more things
[17:08] <somerville32> ader10, You just about gave me a heat attack :P
[17:09] <somerville32> Welcome back ader10 :)
[17:09] <ader10> Okay, I checked the "automatically save session on logout" and it works!
[17:09] <ader10> Thanks guys
[17:09] <somerville32> :D
[17:09] <needcoffee> \o/ super
[17:09] <somerville32> ader10, Feel free to hang around! :)
[17:09] <ader10> 2nd time I ever got help out of the zillions on irc
[17:10]  * ader10 hands everybody a cookie
[17:10] <needcoffee> tatsty ;)
[17:10] <needcoffee> *tasty
[17:10] <ader10> Now, I can either have my desktop icons or conky. I prefer my icons...
[17:10] <nny> meh/me quietly scratches one off for xfce
[17:11] <ader10> conky draws to the root window, can I make it draw to xfce?
[17:11] <needcoffee> ader10, you can have both (conky and icons), just place conky on the right of your screen
[17:12] <needcoffee> ader10, give conky a own window without any decorations
[17:12] <ader10> When I start conky from the terminal (with or without the &) it removes the icons
[17:13] <needcoffee> hmm
[17:13] <needcoffee> have you try "own_window  yes" in your .conkyrc
[17:14] <ader10> Haha, now it's got window decorations
[17:14] <needcoffee> own_window_type normal
[17:14] <needcoffee> own_window_hints undecorate,sticky,skip_taskbar,skip_pager
[17:14] <needcoffee> try this ;)
[17:15] <ader10> Sweet, thanks!
[17:15] <needcoffee> no problem :)
[17:15] <ader10> I've been trying for ages to figure out how to do vertical lines in conky
[17:15] <needcoffee> hmm
[17:15] <needcoffee> i just do them with |
[17:16] <ader10> Yeah, I'm trying that but it breaks at the top and bottom if I have it span across 2 lines
[17:16] <ader10> I'm trying voffset right now but it's gonna take forever
[17:17] <needcoffee> hmm
[17:18] <Curley_Sue> hi all, is there any difference (in performance, not HD occupation) between xubuntu sessions whether it was installed from the xubuntu cd or from ubuntu + xubuntu-desktop package?
[17:19] <ader10> Curley_Sue: Probaly nothing noticable
[17:19] <needcoffee> not really, i guess @ Curley_Sue
[17:20] <ader10> Is there any way to view all my fonts in one place in xubuntu?
[17:20] <ader10> nautilus had fonts:///
[17:21] <Curley_Sue> ader10: thanx
[17:21] <needcoffee> ader10, i don't think so...maybe try a fontmanager like waterfall or similar
[17:23] <ader10> sweet, thanks. Waterfall is great.
[17:23] <ader10> funny how it looks like a waterfall
[17:24] <needcoffee> :)
[17:28]  * R[a]ndom checks out waterfall
[17:28]  * R[a]ndom needs coffee as well
[17:29]  * ader10 can't get addicted to coffee :<
[17:29] <R[a]ndom> I just finished roasting. letting 'em cool before making a batch
[17:29] <R[a]ndom> ader10, why not?
[17:29] <ader10> R[a]ndom: I don't know why, but I had it for 2 years and the stopped for a year w/o any problems
[17:30] <mindframe-> how do i configure apt to use a socks5 proxy?
[17:30] <R[a]ndom> ader10, oh. I thought you meant you wouldn't drink coffee for fear of an addiction
[17:30] <ader10> :D
[17:30] <Curley_Sue> ader10: you said "nothing noticable" - what are the differeces (I'm interested as it is for a somewhat low resources machine - pentium III 500MHz)
[17:30] <R[a]ndom> I havent had coffee since thursday, so I cant be hooked too badly.
[17:31] <somerville32> Curley_Sue, I'm currently on a 333mhz w/ 192mb of ram
[17:31] <R[a]ndom> wow.
[17:31] <jacob> hi u'all . just a quick question if anyone knows. - i have a TEW-424UB wireless card. I got it running with ndiswrapper. But all i wuold like to ask is if i have to install "WPA supplicant" to get it running on a WPA encypted network?! It says it supports WPA network on the box ... But i hav'nt testet it yet... any one knows?
[17:32] <ader10> Curley_Sue: As long as you don't have gnome services running that do the same thing as xfce you're fine
[17:57] <zeroflag> how can I make sure that the headers in /usr/src/linux match my kernel's version?
[18:05] <gerro> zeroflag: your kernel is the package linux-image- and it can be listed by doing uname -a
[18:40] <Woodruff_> is it normal to see my windows volume on my xubuntu dekstop ?
[18:40] <Woodruff_> in dual boot
[18:41] <tortho> Woodruff_: not sure about xubuntu as I dont dual boot anymore... but Ubuntu did that earlier..
[18:41] <needcoffee> jep, since gutsy
[18:41] <ader10> mpd is awesome.
[18:42] <needcoffee> *agree
[18:42] <ader10> client?
[18:42] <needcoffee> sonata
[18:42] <tortho> anyone experiencing trouble with cpu fan in gutsy (not spinning.. or just spinning slow and temperatures up to 80 degr..)
[18:42] <ader10> sonata's nice
[18:42] <ader10> I'd like an easy console client
[18:42] <needcoffee> ncmpc
[18:43] <gerro> tortho: what sort of comp you using?
[18:43] <ader10> trying it out
[18:43] <ader10> ncmpc looks easy :D
[18:43] <tortho> gerro: Dell inspiron 9300 laptop..
[18:44] <ader10> How do I update in ncmpc
[18:45] <gerro> tortho: what sort of processor and graphics cards? how big is it? have you applied any thermal lube? do you use a docking station? how many vents does it have? are you using the right adapter?
[18:45] <needcoffee> ader10, update what?
[18:45] <ader10> the song db
[18:46] <needcoffee> ader10, i don't know, just update the mpd db
[18:46] <gerro> tortho: what does acpi -t display? up around 80? Is that only while compiling or when ordinary use?
[18:46] <ader10> ok
[18:47] <tortho> gerro: I had Ubuntu gutsy installed, but cpu freq scaling, ati graphic accel. ...copiz etc did not work as expected.. I thought I'd try something light and get the speed and stability up.. I then installed xubuntu and now freq scaling works, graphics is ok, but cpu fan does not work as it did in ubuntu.. :-)
[18:47] <gerro> tortho: did you use the alternate xubuntu cd?
[18:48] <tortho> gerro: it is when I give it high load.. did try boinc and it sent it up ti 1,9ghz and temperature some minues later showed 79degr... and fan just slowlly spinning.
[18:48] <tortho> gerro: no, fresh install from the live cd, and left everything to xubuntu to decide.
[18:48] <gerro> boinc?
[18:49] <tortho> gerro: acpi -t does at the moment show ok 41degrC and battery fully charged..
[18:49] <tortho> gerro: some seti@home, / world community grid .... just to give it a lot of load... numbercrunching...
[18:50] <needcoffee> ader10, you press 1 for help in ncmpc
[18:50] <tortho> gerro: it has never before been more than 60 or 65 degr... then the fan kicks in and it sounds like a helicopter take off--- but not in xubuntu
[18:50] <needcoffee> ader10, ups, you can update with ctrl+u
[18:50] <ader10> ty
[18:52] <gerro> tortho: perhaps it hasn't been needing to use the fan at full force. I think there is a way to set when it does though in the acpi config
[18:53] <gerro> tortho: I didn't phrase that quite right, what I mean is do you really want it sounding that loud?
[18:54] <needcoffee> ader10, i was a little bit "out of knowlege"...short: press 3 > navigate to playlist, folder or file and press space (adds the selection to the playlist) > hit enter and listen ^^
[18:54] <needcoffee> ader10, hit 2 before enter..i forget ^^
[18:56] <gerro> needcoffee: and that is why I hate music ^^
[18:56] <tortho> gerro:I want it as loud as needed to avoid burning up my cpu... a centrino processor at 80 degr.C is not good.. If needed full speed at 65 degr. as ubuntu gutsy does.... I just don't understand why there should be any difference... these base packages should be the same..
[18:56] <needcoffee> gerro, why?
[18:57] <gerro> needcoffee: dunno you lost me somewhere in that convo
[18:57] <needcoffee> gerro, maybe?! *i'm confused right now* ^^
[18:59] <ader10> I did chmod -xR Folder and now I don't have permissions to open it up.
[18:59] <ader10> What's wrong?
[19:00] <ader10> I mean -x -R
[19:01] <gerro> ader10: your victim has to be prone in order to do the playlist combo fatality :) no but seriously might want to try ls -l to see who owns the folder then chown user folder
[19:01] <needcoffee> hmm...seems you've changed the permission to execute only
[19:02] <ader10> I own it
[19:02] <needcoffee> how does the permission looks like?
[19:02] <ader10> drwxr-xr-x  2 david david      4096 2007-10-20 09:35 Templates
[19:02] <ader10> that's after I reverted it
[19:03] <needcoffee> seems to be ok
[19:03] <needcoffee> try a refresh
[19:04] <needcoffee> you should have full permission to do anything in that folder if you are david ^^
[19:04] <somerville32> - removes permissions
[19:04] <somerville32> + adds them
[19:04] <ader10> Yes.
[19:05] <somerville32> sooki, what are you trying to do anyhow?
[19:05] <somerville32> er..
[19:05] <somerville32> sorry sooki, stupid auto-nick-completion
[19:05] <needcoffee> its user-group-others, so the rights should be fine
[19:06]  * gerro pulls out his chmod calculator (graphing support yay)
[19:06] <somerville32> tuna, bumblebee tuna? :)
[19:06]  * ader10 pulls out his chown calculater (first person shooter support yay) :D
[19:06] <somerville32> :D
[19:06] <tuna> wah?
[19:06] <somerville32> tuna, it is a song :) Pretty awesome one at that.
[19:07] <gerro> somerville32: I thought it was a brand of canned tuna?
[19:07] <somerville32> gerro, I imagine it might be too! :)
[19:07] <gerro> somerville32: I never liked that kind always gave me a stomach ache
[19:07] <evil_tech> mesaskaphiles
[19:07] <evil_tech> meskaphiles
[19:08] <evil_tech> damn i cant spell
[19:08] <evil_tech> song rocks though
[19:08]  * somerville32 moves to #xubuntu-offtopic to talk more about tuna! :)
[19:45] <Helvix> =]
[19:45] <Helvix> why does my screen blacks out when the gui part of the installation starts?
[19:47] <somerville32> Sounds like a bug! :)
[19:49] <Helvix> !
[19:49] <Helvix> I have an nvidia gfx card though
[19:49] <Helvix> =]
[19:50] <Helvix> I've tried all the variations of ubuntu like kubuntu and real ubuntu too
[19:50] <Helvix> when my system goes to the gui part the screen blacks out
[19:50] <Helvix> =]
[19:50] <Helvix> even linuxmind too did the same
[19:50] <Helvix> =]
[19:50] <Helvix> sorry its linuxmint actually
[19:52] <somerville32> Helvix, Please search for an existing bug at http://bugs.launchpad.net
[19:52] <Helvix> will do
[19:52] <Helvix> =]
[19:52] <somerville32> Thank you! :)
[19:57] <Helvix> wow!
[19:57] <Helvix> I actually found a section on this problem :-)
[19:57] <somerville32> :)
[20:12] <sammy> how can I make iso file of a dvd?
[20:13] <sammy> my one comp doesn't have a dvd drive
[20:15] <Helvix> okay,thank you very much somerville32, lets see if it works to solve my problem :-)
[20:15] <somerville32> Helvix, I hope so! :)
[20:17] <evil_tech> sammy: what exactly are you trying to do
[20:18] <sammy> evil_tech: make an iso of a dvd and transfer it over nfs to other comp that doesn't have dvd player and mount it with gmountiso
[20:18] <somerville32> Use dd
[20:19] <somerville32> Or I'm sure there is an application you can use
[20:19] <evil_tech> brasero
[20:19] <sammy> does brasero do that though?
[20:19] <evil_tech> yes
[20:19] <evil_tech> tell it to copy the disc and make an image only
[20:19] <sammy> ah I see thx
[20:19] <evil_tech> there is a tab to select where you want the image to be stored otherwise the default is /tmp
[20:20] <sammy> found this nice isomaster app looks good for making livecds
[20:20] <sammy> ok
[20:20] <sammy> 4.4gb image :( think I'll go watch a movie and see about getting some dinner perhaps
[21:30] <somerville32> TheSheep, ping.
[21:32] <TheSheep> pong
[21:35] <somerville32> TheSheep, Come join me in -devel
[22:31] <zoredache> !dual
[22:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dual - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:35] <zoredache> anyone have a good up-to-date references on setting up a dual-head system with a nvidia card, and an intel?  Most of the hits I find on google are for breezy,dapper,etc
[22:43] <TheSheep> !twinview | zoredache
[22:43] <ubotu> zoredache: xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[22:43] <TheSheep> !dualhead | zoredache
[22:43] <ubotu> zoredache: Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[22:43] <TheSheep> zoredache: these topics are pretty general, I don't think much changed
[23:51] <ochosi> hi, i'm having troubles with installing emerald. i upgraded today from feisty to gutsy and had beryl and emerald working before. now i'm using compiz fusion (which is also doing fine) but for some reason emerald is not being found in my repos. apt-get says " Package emerald has no installation candidate". what could that be?
[23:55] <TheSheep> !info emerald
[23:55] <ubotu> emerald: Decorator for compiz-fusion. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3~git20070717-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 198 kB, installed size 956 kB
[23:55] <TheSheep> ochosi: you need the universe repository enabled