[00:00] aaaa [00:00] edit /boot/grub/menu.lst [00:00] but i think at the next update they will be replaced, unless you copy them at the end of the file [00:01] Ow1, that's what I mean [00:01] Ow1, how is it configured? [00:01] edit /boot/grub/menu.lst [00:16] hmm new windows don't grab focus [00:16] anyw ay to fix this in xfce [00:16] ? [00:23] I have a old computer (200MMX 64MB ram) and would like to use it with xubuntu as a http-server without gui and also maintain it via the net [00:23] is xubuntu the right linux for that and if so how should I start and what things need to be done? [00:23] thanx for every sugestion in advance [00:23] Is there a performance difference between installing ubuntu and then the xubuntu package versus installing xubuntu directly? [00:24] chef_: if you're going no-gui, you should just use the ubuntu server cd [00:24] chef_: if you don't need gui, I'd recommend either ubuntu server or gui [00:24] bob301: no [00:24] chef_: sorry, or debian :) [00:26] OK. I'm running on a fairly old laptop (650 MHz Intel / 256 RAM) and I'm looking for improved performance from a modern Linux distro. Are there tips for improving Xubuntu, or a better distro than what I am currently using? [00:26] bob301: how experienced with linux are you? [00:27] I've been using Ubuntu on my main machine for about a year and a half. Xubuntu on my laptop for about 8 months. Came over as a power suer from Windows. [00:27] Not sure if that answers the question [00:28] bob301: what about the internals? [00:28] bob301: ever compiled a kernel? [00:28] I don't know how to compile a kernel, but I can follow guides and figure most stuff out [00:29] bob301: ok, you can remove the things you don't use from xubuntu [00:30] bob301: like printing, wireless, bluetooh [00:31] I can do this without recompiling? [00:31] bob301: you can try using opera instead of firefox -- it's supposed to be a little faster and lighter [00:31] bob301: yes, yes [00:31] bob301: just uninstall them in synaptic [00:33] bob301: lighter IM client is an option too, especially if you can say with jabber only [00:33] to TheSheep: I thougth xubuntu is the version using the least resources i thing ubuntu is not going towork on my old machine [00:33] I understand that I can remove the unused virtual terminals as well? [00:33] chef_: 'ubuntu server' is the 'core' ubuntu, both xubuntu and ubuntu use it as its base [00:34] bob301: they are not worth bothering -- they don't use cpu and use minimal ab\mounts of memory, most of it shared [00:35] Thanks for the advice. I'll start working on it. [00:36] bob301: don't remove dbus or hal [00:38] I'll be sure not to remove anything I don't understand [00:39] okay i will check it out, but before starting: what do I have to config to maintain the system via another computer? [00:40] bob301: it will probably ask you to remove xubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-base or ubuntu-minimal -- these are meta packages, they are empty themselves and can be removed, as long as you don't do 'autoremove' after that [00:41] chef_: openssh-server, so that you can connect to it via ssh [00:46] What program do I need on the maintainer computer to use the openssh_server [00:46] or the ssh connection [00:47] chef_: ssh, installed by default [00:47] howdy all, im trying to configure conky1.4.8 and the configure script says that it cannot find my X11 installation [00:48] big_area: you probably need to install some -dev packages with header files [00:48] ah [00:49] xorg-xserver-dev or something [00:49] no I mean the windows computer with which I i maintain the server [00:49] chef_: putty is a nice ssh client for windows [00:49] chef_: but you won't be able to runn gui apps over shh from windows [00:50] can i just apt-get that [00:50] big_area: yes, I think best just look at what files it needs and search for them in synaptic [00:52] there is no need for gui: I just want the old machine to do something usefull by running a small web-server so I get to know lnux a bit more and hopefully better :-) [00:52] chef_: then putty is good. There is also winscp for copying files over ssh from windows [00:56] that winscp is a good tip! thx! i thought of using samba but I was never able to config it right [00:58] now im lacking XdbeQueryExtension [00:58] big_area: search in synaptic doesn't show anything? [01:00] hey how do i fix the time so it uses NTP in xubuntu? [01:00] it should by default. [01:00] travisbickkle: settings->time and date [01:00] nothing [01:00] i don't have settings time and date [01:01] travisbickkle: are you using xubuntu? [01:01] yup fiesty [01:02] oh system time and date [01:02] found it thats [01:02] thanks* [01:03] it says its 3:02 pm. It must not be updating and it doesn't let me manually force a sync throught the gui? [01:03] thanx for the help and have a nice day! [01:04] travisbickkle: maybe he timezone is not right? [01:04] big_area: try libxdb-dev [01:05] TheSheep:No it's correct. I figure i'll just upgrade and deal with it afterwards. [01:05] What is improved for xubuntu in gutsy gibbon or maybe i shoudln't upgrade? [01:06] travisbickkle: people report a general speedup [01:07] Why? [01:08] travisbickkle: I suppose it's mostly because the default theme uses a faster theme engine [01:09] Oh. Does it look the same as before though? [01:10] travisbickkle: no, I think it looks much better [01:11] no luck [01:14] so how do i upgrade to gutsy? [01:15] oh nvmind i found it. [01:33] wow it just wont stop giving me dependancy problems [01:33] says i dont have glib-2 [01:36] glib2-dev [01:36] libglib2-dev [01:36] thanks, just found it [01:37] to compile C programs, you need to have the header files of libraries they use [01:37] xubuntu doesn't come with header files by default, because you are supposed to use the programs from he repositories, rather than compile them yourself [01:38] ah [01:38] big_area: but it is of course possible to compile them too [01:39] of course [02:02] damn, xubuntu runs sooo much better if you wipe out ubuntu - very low footprint [02:02] gracias sheep, [02:03] //leave [02:06] ! xset [02:06] Sorry, I don't know anything about xset - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [04:01] how do I remove some saved programs from startup? getting multiple instances running from a saved session [04:02] nm foudn it === Netham45 is now known as Netham45|Shower === Netham45|Shower is now known as Netham45 [05:12] not a lively channel, is it [05:12] i guess no one ever has problems with xubuntu [06:15] hi new user here getting ready to install on an old compaq i think i have down what i need to do for my wireless card but does anyone know if theres any special steps i need to take to get my dfe-670 lan card to work also? [06:16] oh this is a laptop btw :) [06:21] have you seen if it works? Or are you just asking if it does [06:22] no im just asking if anyone had experience with it in general [06:22] i cant find it listed anywhere on google sadly other than debian seems to support it [06:27] moebius8 it is most likely supported [06:28] kk i thought it was myself lol ill find out in a bit [06:30] also this is a general question does gnome really use up enough resources to tax a 16 meg agp chipset? i would prefer to install the normal ubuntu distro but all the advice ive gotten says it would run badly if at all given the limited amount of video ram [06:31] but ive seen gnome installed on systems with a 4meg pci sis card granted it didnt look all that inspiring but it ran [07:28] hi all [07:28] Guten abend ist hier wer aus deutschland [07:29] ello? [09:28] hi,everyone [09:28] I would like to know ENE CB 712/4 card reader works with gusty? [13:08] Hello all, After a fresh install of xubuntu, everything is fine, but after few minutes my screen is black, a move of the mouse make it come back, it seems to be something with power management, but I can't find a menu to set it, any idea ? [13:12] loak: try the screensaver settings [13:14] pleia2: I've tried, I can make the screen saver come before the screen goes black, but after the same time, it becomes black again [13:25] can i make thunar show total size of all items in a folder on the folder? === totalengageface is now known as totalengage [13:47] is there much diffrence between ubuntu and xubuntu in user use ? [13:47] Well, yeah... [13:47] as much as there is difference between gnome and xfce [13:53] whats the diffrence? [13:53] The whole environment... [13:53] Too much to name, actually [13:53] you'd have to try both, really [13:55] i am installing xubuntu now as ubuntu was too heavy on my laptop [13:55] i need it mostly for development of java [13:56] so just wanted to know what to look for [13:56] will i still have the same application manager add/remove installer? [13:56] Yeah [13:56] since i am realy new to linux [13:56] Most of Ubuntu's nifty tools are still there [13:58] plus i had some problem with my wireless connection [13:58] Which version? [13:58] (Of Ubuntu and Xubuntu) [13:58] i searched google and saw some post saying about installing NDISWrapper [13:58] i had problems with the ubuntu version [13:58] its an IBM Laptop [13:59] But was it Ubuntu 7.10? And which version of Xubuntu are you installing now? [13:59] the latest [13:59] 7.10 [13:59] i think [13:59] OK [13:59] can it be working now ? [13:59] And when you click the NetworkManager icon, is your wireless network visible? [14:00] it is and i see my network [14:00] and i actually managed to connect one time [14:00] Then there is no need to install Ndiswrapper [14:00] but most of the times it ask me for a key and password [14:00] when this is a open network [14:00] and no key pass is needed [14:00] You can try using "Manual configuration...", that is what I did to make it work [14:01] i tried it [14:01] just asked me to write the name [14:01] i think its a driver problem [14:01] Well, if it can see networks then the driver works I suppopse [14:01] well but it connected one time [14:01] So why didn't just setting the name work? [14:01] and now it asks me for WAP [14:01] or some password [14:02] and a key [14:02] even that my network is open for use [14:02] ...so why didn't just setting the name work? [14:02] it didnt connect [14:03] i dont why [14:03] Odd... [14:03] Well, of course you could *try* using the Windows driver [14:03] yes.. i will try it again when xubuntu installation finish and let you know [14:03] OK [14:03] thanks :) [14:19] ok [14:19] when i click "Manual Configuration [14:19] it starts the network setting screen [14:19] Yes [14:19] how do i add my wireless network [14:19] ? [14:19] You select "Wireless connection", then click "Properties" [14:20] ok done [14:20] Then uncheck "Enable roaming mode" [14:20] i dismarked the "roaming mode" [14:20] uncheck [14:20] OK [14:20] Then you can enter your network's name and click OK [14:20] but it ask me for some other information [14:20] Oh, and set Configuration to "Automatic Configuration" (unless you want something else) [14:20] ahh [14:20] ok [14:21] You should then be able to click OK [14:21] yes [14:21] now i am back to that screen of settings [14:21] Now, make sure the checkbox in front of "Wireless connection" is checked [14:21] it does [14:22] Did it show a progress bar saying it is configuring your network? If not, uncheck the box and re-check it again [14:22] ok its "Changing interface configuration" [14:23] OK, when that's done you can click Close and your internet connection should work [14:23] done it and now its back to settings [14:23] yep [14:23] working [14:23] Yay! [14:23] Thanks alot vinze [14:23] np :)\ [14:25] i dont see however the Application add/remove thing [14:25] It's under Applications->System->Add/Remove... [14:26] ahh ok thanks [14:26] will play abit with it [14:29] any idea how to install the Java JRE as the sudo apt-get install isnt working ? [14:30] Search Add/Remove... for java (be sure to select "All Available Applications" in the top-right drop-down menu) [14:31] anyone know why ubuntu still uses beta gimp [14:32] Anarchtic_: because they didn't release before ubuntu was released [14:32] well how would i go about updating it [14:32] humm its saying "The list of applications is not available" [14:32] Why would you? Are you experiencing problems? [14:32] and i press refresh but it still wouldnt let me mark it [14:33] Woodruff_, try opening the Synaptic Package Manager and clicking "Reload" [14:33] no i just have a thing about having the latest software [14:33] O crap [14:33] Anarchtic_, perhaps a package is available on getdeb.net [14:33] how do i do it? [14:33] Woodruff_, sorry, no idea :( [14:33] oh ya =] i fogot about that site, ily VINZE [14:33] Anarchtic_: that's silly, here's the list of differences: http://developer.gimp.org/NEWS-2.4 [14:34] Anarchtic_: I doubt you really need any of these [14:34] another thing does anyone have a nice profile i can use for compiz fusion [14:35] Anarchtic_, I can try uploading mine, wait a sec [14:35] ok [14:35] ok found it [14:37] Anarchtic_, http://www.filegunner.net/uploadedfiles/802633cf_vincent.profile [14:37] Woodruff_, how did you solve it? [14:38] i didnt [14:38] sweet ill try it [14:38] its still not working [14:38] but i did found the synaptic manager [14:38] ok found it [14:38] Oh... [14:38] Most adminstration stuff is in Applications->System [14:58] whats a good place to get themes [14:59] Anarchtic_: xfce-look.org [14:59] Anarchtic_, I got mine from http://themes.beryl-project.org/ (if you mean Emerald themes) [14:59] ty both of you [15:00] Which did you mean? I assumed Emerald because I'm busy with that atm :P [15:01] not emerald [15:01] i wanted more meta themes [15:01] Meta? [15:01] Anarchtic_: xfce doesn't do meta [15:01] but is there more emerald themes on that site thats not in there repo [15:01] well what is it then [15:01] gtk? [15:02] Anarchtic_: xfce has gtk and window manager themes [15:02] well thats what i need something to match my emerald theme [15:02] Anarchtic_: gtk styles the general looks of widgets and generally window contents, window manager themes style the window borders [15:02] lol solved it vinze [15:02] i had to unmark the comments in the sources.list file [15:02] Anarchtic_: that'd be gtk [15:02] thats why it wasnt working [15:03] Woodruff_, cool :) [15:03] ok and good job woodruff === uriahhee1 is now known as uriahheep [15:09] how would i go about installing candido [15:09] the engine [15:09] Anarchtic_: look for it in he repos? [15:09] Anarchtic_: if it's not there, look for a deb [15:10] ok [15:51] hey i dont have a volume icon in Xubuntu 7.10 [15:51] what can i do? [15:54] anyone?? [15:55] Sahil, Hi [15:55] hi :) [15:55] Right click panel, add new item [15:55] And than select the volume control applet [15:55] :) [15:55] yeah i tried that, nothing happens :( [15:56] i dunno why it went away all of a sudden, and the only way to adjust the sound is to run alsamixer in the terminal and adjust it from there [15:56] Try: alt + F2 [15:57] yeah a box popped open [15:57] why not just add the volume control plugin to the panel? [15:57] Enter killall xfce4-mixer [15:57] And then hit enter [15:57] And then try adding it again in the panel [15:57] cause im an idiot ignore me [15:58] HEY IT WORKED!!! [15:58] you smart lil cookie [15:58] :) [15:59] wow [15:59] what's with all the sarcasm this morning? [15:59] I don't think he or she was being sarcastic, lol [15:59] its night where i am :) [15:59] nope i wasnt [15:59] well [15:59] ironic [16:00] :) [16:00] * somerville32 sings the happy happy song for everyone's enjoyment. [16:00] man sometimes i feel so stupid when people solve my problems so easily [16:00] Sahil, That wasn't "easy". [16:00] This time change thing is making me get up so early [16:01] Sahil, It is completely understandable that you wouldn't have thought about killing the process when you didn't even think it was running (heck, you might not even know what that means!) [16:01] And it isn't expected of you. Things in *ubuntu should just work and we try our best to provide that :) [16:01] nope i knew what it meant [16:01] i have done it with my panels [16:02] * somerville32 nods. [16:02] Welp, if it happens again, you know what to try! :) [16:02] definately, i just switched to xubuntu last night lol, and i was messing with some files today [16:02] crossed over from ubuntu [16:02] If you run into any problems, make sure to file bug reports :) [16:03] allrighty im off to dinner, ill be in here a lot now [16:03] peace [16:04] :) [16:20] I installed xfce on top of ubuntu, and gnome is overriding some of xfce's things (like metacity vs xfwm4) making a very unintegrated desktop. How do I stop gnome from taking over xfce? [16:26] Yeah, guys. Thanks for ignoring me. You're all real helpful. [16:27] ader10, Hi [16:27] How did you install xfce4? [16:28] aptitude install xubuntu-desktop [16:28] And when you login, you've selected the Xfce4 desktop from the sessions menu, right? [16:28] Correct [16:30] Maybe the install didn't fully complete as you're the first person I've seen report this inconsistency [16:30] I'll try again, one moment [16:30] Thank you. [16:30] hi, werden die lesezeichen von thunar (in der seitenleiste) irgendwo in einer rc datei oder sowas gespeichert? [16:30] !dutch [16:30] Nederlandstalige ondersteuning voor Ubuntu (en vers gezette koffie) is te vinden in #ubuntu-nl [16:31] ist's a english channel? [16:31] *is it [16:31] david@david-desktop:~$ sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop [16:31] ... [16:31] No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. [16:31] 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. [16:31] Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used. [16:31] needcoffee, This is an english channel. [16:31] hello everyone [16:32] somerville32, ah ok...is there a rc file or similar where thunar stores the bookmarks from the sidepane? [16:32] (means it's installed completely) [16:33] needcoffee: all the stuff related to thunar is under .xfce I think [16:33] gerro, i'll check this, thank you [16:33] needcoffee: could try ls -a to check [16:34] ader10, Try: dpkg -C [16:35] Nothing happens :P [16:35] gerro, there are some files unter ~/.config/Thunar, but none of them stores informations about the bookmarks used in the sidepane [16:36] yep .config just found it myself [16:36] needcoffee: see if thunar gui has any extra options and if not, might want to try compiling your own copy [16:37] Maybe the session entry is wrong... [16:37] I got a lot of junk in my /home I've got to dump [16:37] :) [16:37] I don't know how to check it though. [16:38] i would like to change the icons of the bookmarks and maybe remove the text (describtion) of them...but...hmm, seems not possible [16:39] Be right back [16:42] This is making me pretty confused and mad... [16:42] I don't know how to fix it. [16:43] sudo dpkg -C doesn't do anything. [16:43] ader10, 1 second [16:44] Try apt-get install xfwm4 [16:44] xfwm4 is already the newest version. [16:44] xfwm4 set to manual installed. [16:45] TheSheep, ping [16:49] ader10, I'm sure TheSheep can help you when he wakes up :) [16:49] ader10, But I think you're right [16:49] ader10, whats the problem? [16:50] I installed xfce on top of ubuntu, and now I'm logging in w/ xfce session as default, but gnome things keep replacing xfce things, like xfwm4 vs metacity [16:51] I want to stop gnome from overriding xfce [16:51] have you removed gnome, or do you want to keep it? [16:52] I've tried to remove gnome. [16:52] I can't find out how on the forums or on google [16:52] any ideas? [16:53] i do the same some times ago (from ubuntu > xubuntu)...i just removed the ubuntu-desktop and the gnome -desktop files [16:53] Tell me how you did [16:54] try sudo apt-get remove --purge gnome-desktop-data gnome-desktop-environment [16:54] gnome-desktop-environment isn't installed but it's removing gnome-desktop-data [16:55] somerville32: hm? [16:55] wait a little [16:55] TheSheep, ader10 needs help :) [16:55] it will remove some other files, maybe take a look at the list before type in "y"...maybe it will remove gdm, too, so keep a look and reinstall it if you wish [16:55] yeah [16:55] I'll keep that in mind [16:55] good, nothing vital is removed [16:56] should I ctrl-alt-backspace and do a new session? [16:56] try if you like [16:56] ok brb [16:57] ader10: wha seems to be the problem? [16:57] ... [16:58] TheSheep, maybe you can give me a hint...i'm trying to change the icons for bookmarks in the sidepane but can't find any rc file or similar to do so [16:58] ader10, works? [16:58] Wonderful, no gnome stuff but some xfce stuff doesn't load [16:59] which? [16:59] I don't know what it's called :P I have to go to the desktop prefrences and check the "Allow Xfce to manage the desktop" thing. [17:00] ader10, have you installed the xfce4-mcs-manager and xfce4-mcs-plugins...regarding the "Allow Xfce to manage the desktop" thing, ihave no clue what you mean ^^ [17:01] needcoffee: Assuming you're on xubuntu and xfce is working fine, right click the desktop and click Desktop Settings. [17:01] From there, at the top, there's a check box [17:02] how much HDD space does Xubuntu takje up? [17:02] needcoffee: I have the xfce4-mcs* stuff installed [17:02] PuppiesAtWork: A bit less than ubuntu [17:02] like [17:02] ader10, i'm not on xfce at the moment, i'm using ion right now [17:02] i need one that installs to under a gig [17:02] PuppiesAtWork, no go :) [17:02] PuppiesAtWork: I don't think xubuntu is that small [17:03] how can I make it so open office and none of the extras are instaled? [17:03] don't install the xubuntu-desktop package... manually install only the things you need [17:03] needcoffee: What's the desktop manager for xfce? [17:03] the install is a lot more challenging though [17:03] ader10, ah, i think i get what you mean...do you want xfce to handle the desktop (icons etc.)?! [17:03] yes [17:04] ader10, it's xfwm4 [17:04] Actually, it is xfdesktop [17:04]