[10:56] <osl> i have a question about LTSP-5 that comes with edubuntu ... is it identical to LTSP-5 that is installed manually ? or edubuntu has its touches and modifications on LTSP-5 ??
[11:21] <Bauer> is it possible to force edubuntu to write to usb-drives when you copy a file? Now it doesn't write everything to the drive unless you unmount it, and i think this would confuse the students..
[14:04] <ffm> What is the procedures for upgrading LTSP thin client server to gutsy so that if somthing breaks, it can be undone?
[15:00] <bddebian> Heya
[15:37] <ronalde> we're running gutsy (upgrade from feisty) with HP t5725 thin clients. Since a few days we get a boot timeout after the loading of vmlinuz and initrd. The terminal on the clients says "Negotiation:" a waits for 100-200 seconds before actually loading the nbd-root
[15:43] <ronalde> we tested it with a dell notebook: same behaviour
[18:05] <scrapbunny> hello i am having i problem with applications freezing when students try to exit them, any fixes for this?
[18:42] <bazz> hello
[18:43] <bazz> anyone here?
[18:44] <LaserJock> bazz: yes, there are people here
[18:45] <bazz> cool was wonerining if anyone could give me some infi
[18:45] <bazz> info
[18:46] <bazz> I made a post on the dev mailing list here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-devel/2007-November/002436.html and here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-devel/2007-November/002437.html
[18:46] <bazz> I was wondering if this was a knowen problem
[18:49] <LaserJock> I'm not really sure
[18:49] <LaserJock> right now most of the knowledgable people are at a conference or coming home from one
[18:49] <bazz> oh
[18:49] <LaserJock> it might take a bit to get a response to your emails but you should get one
[18:50] <bazz> was it for edubuntu?
[18:50] <LaserJock> Ubuntu and then for LTSP
[18:50] <bazz> cool
[18:50] <LaserJock> planning the next release
[18:51] <bazz> any word as to what would be updated on LTSP? or thats what they are talking about?
[18:53] <LaserJock> hmm
[18:53] <LaserJock> I think local devices was one
[18:54] <LaserJock> sorry local apps rather
[18:54] <LaserJock> we already have local devices
[18:54] <LaserJock> figuring out what to do with Thin Client Manager
[18:54] <bazz> what is local apps?
[18:55] <LaserJock> a gui frontend for ltsp-tools
[18:55] <LaserJock> bazz: running programs on the thin client itself
[18:55] <bazz> now that would be helpfull
[18:55] <bazz> what is the point of a thin client then??
[18:55] <bazz> would that be a fat client?
[18:55] <LaserJock> well, in between I'd say
[18:56] <bazz> so how would that work?
[18:56] <LaserJock> the point is to use the CPU of the client to help the server do some work
[18:56] <bazz> you havd a hard drive with an os installed?
[18:56] <LaserJock> no
[18:56] <LaserJock> it's in the client chroot
[18:56] <bazz> ahhh
[18:56] <LaserJock> so basically if you wanted to say have Firefox as a local app
[18:56] <LaserJock> you have that in the chroot and it'd get sent over
[18:56] <bazz> wait but isnt the chroot still on the server side?
[18:57] <bazz> so its like remote...local?
[18:57] <LaserJock> yeah, but it get's sent to the client
[18:57] <stgraber> yes, storage is still on the server but the CPU is the client's one
[18:57] <bazz> thats cool
[18:57] <LaserJock> so the app would be running of the client and communicate with the server
[18:57] <bazz> I'm using this for an automation lab
[18:58] <bazz> so I have a big interest in all this stuff
[18:59] <bazz> I was at one point thinking of trying to make an automation distro based off ubuntu and ltsp but have no idea how to go about it
[19:04] <bazz> so is it the developers that hang in here?
[19:05] <scrapbunny> hello?
[19:06] <bazz> hi
[19:08] <scrapbunny> i am setting up an edubuntu thin client lab with dell gx110's as clients and the programs keep freezing when students try to close them. any fixes for this?
[19:08] <LaserJock> scrapbunny: any program or just certain ones?
[19:11] <scrapbunny> i thought last week it was just tux paint but i now have 11 clients up and it seems like all programs especially firefox and tux kids programs
[19:12] <LaserJock> hmm, that's weird
[19:12] <bazz> did you try to do a system update with the pre-release updates repository enabled
[19:13] <bazz> I had a bunch of different problems with my set up. once i did that it fix some of them
[19:14] <scrapbunny> do i ned to have everyone log off before i do that or will changes take effect after reboot?
[19:15] <bazz> I dont know. I did the update and did a reboot.
[19:15] <Goosemoose> can someone please tell me why I can ping a domain computer from ubuntu using 'ping computername' but not 'ping computername.dhs.local'? usually its then other way around!
[19:16] <scrapbunny> thanks bazz i'll try it and see what happens
[19:17] <bazz> I dont know if it will work, but like I said...it helped me with some of my problems
[19:17] <scrapbunny> one other question, is there a way the change the default home page and desktop for all users?
[19:17] <bazz> I'm sure there is, but I dont know how...sorry
[19:19] <scrapbunny> thanks
[19:22] <bazz> Goosemoose.....could it be becaue of the .local?
[19:25] <Goosemoose> i dont know why it would be a problem, its an internal domain name
[19:29] <bazz> .local is usualy a loopback i thought
[20:03] <Goosemoose> bazz, no at least no when dealing with a windows domain
[20:23] <musashi1> is there a good how to for setting up the default wallpaper, firefox home page, what apps are on the menu, etc for the clients? I'm not having much luck.
[20:25] <bryang> musashi1: partial answer - http://szone.berlinwall.org/node/112
[20:26] <musashi1> thanks. trying
[20:32] <musashi1> okay set up the default home page (tho haven't tested). any suggestions of the other configs? if i can figure this out maybe i need to add something to the wiki.
[20:34] <bryang> the pam stuff we setup creates the home dir and copies /etc/skel, so you could potentially pre-populate a lot of stuff that way
[20:34] <bryang> altho users can still override after login
[21:01] <bazz> anyone in here from the edubuntu team?
[21:44] <bazz> any one here?
[21:59] <bazz> hello?
[21:59] <LaserJock> hi bazz
[21:59] <bazz> anyone back yet?
[22:00] <LaserJock> ogra and sbalneav aren't here
[22:00] <LaserJock> they are the best guys to talk to
[22:00] <bazz> off topic question...?
[22:01] <bazz> you know anything about compiz?
[22:01] <LaserJock> not a ton no, I don't have a lot of hardware that'll run it
[22:01] <bazz> ok was wondering about on of the effects
[22:01] <bazz> I cant wait to talk to someone about the ltsp stuff
[22:02] <LaserJock> you could try asking in #ltsp and see if anybody is around over there
[22:02] <bazz> cant find much documentation out there for how I'd like to use it
[22:03] <bazz> well I think this would be more based toward the edubuntu set up
[22:03] <LaserJock> yes
[22:03] <LaserJock> but many of them are pretty familiar with Edubuntu
[22:03] <bazz> I wish there was an easer way to have the screen viewer and ssh set up
[22:04] <bazz> cool I will have to check there too
[22:04] <bazz> where are you from?
[22:04] <LaserJock> Reno, Nevada, USA
[22:04] <bazz> cool
[22:04] <bazz> how is it out there. New Hampshire here
[22:05] <LaserJock> dry and cold :-)
[22:05] <bazz> well better than wet and cold lol
[22:05] <LaserJock> well, actually in the sun it's not bad
[22:06] <LaserJock> New Hampshire eh? We've got a number of new englanders it seems
[22:06] <bazz> I'm guessing because of the boston area...?
[22:07] <LaserJock> well, moquist is from New Hampshire
[22:07] <LaserJock> and I thought dtrask was from Maine, but I'm not positive
[22:07] <bazz> hmm interesting
[22:07] <LaserJock> people from all over
[22:08] <LaserJock> Germany, Switzerland, South Africa, Canada, etc.
[22:08] <bazz> Gotta love opensource!!! It brings the world together
[22:08] <bazz> I think more of life should be like opensource lol
[22:08] <LaserJock> that it does
[22:09] <bazz> well the  community anyway
[22:10] <LaserJock> I wouldn't mind a version control life
[22:10] <LaserJock> oopss, that was a mistake, let's go back to revision 2839
[22:10] <bazz> lol
[22:12] <amirman> hi everyone
[22:12] <bazz> hello
[22:14] <amirman> i've been taking apart computers and mixing and matching pieces all day and i finally have a stable computer ready for an OS, i'm fixing this computer up for some kids i know and i noticed that edubuntu has a requirement of 1 ghz processor, the computer i have set up only has 400 Mhz, i was wondering if there's anything like an edubuntu-lite, or an old version of edubuntu that i coul use out there, any help would be much appreciated
[22:16] <LaserJock> amirman: what are you planning to do with it?
[22:16] <amirman> i want to give it to these kids i know
[22:16] <bazz> Well you could try xubuntu...lighter interface.....not shure if its light enough though
[22:17] <LaserJock> amirman: but do you have any idea of what they'll be using it for?
[22:17] <LaserJock> bazz: you can install xfce from Edubuntu
[22:17] <amirman> is there a way to maybe mix xubuntu and have the packages from edubuntu?
[22:17] <LaserJock> amirman: sure
[22:18] <amirman> i think all they'll be doing with it is playing games
[22:18] <amirman> and they are the opposite of spoiled so even really lightweight simple games would make them happy
[22:18] <amirman> they are 4 and 6 years old
[22:18] <bazz> oh yeah...sorry you could do that too
[22:19] <LaserJock> amirman: how big of a hard disk?
[22:19] <amirman> laserjock: how would i install xfce from edubuntu? how does that work, i'm a linux newbie
[22:19] <amirman> the hard disk is 80 gigs
[22:19] <amirman> 256 MB RAM
[22:19] <LaserJock> oh nice
[22:19] <LaserJock> ok, cool
[22:19] <amirman> but the processor is pretty weak
[22:20] <LaserJock> no problemo
[22:20] <bazz> should be fine with xfce i would think
[22:20] <LaserJock> I would grab the Edubuntu Classroom Server CD
[22:20] <LaserJock> and also the Classroom Server Addon CD
[22:20] <bazz> they are 4 and 6. I dont think they are going to care too much for speen
[22:20] <amirman> what's the benefit of the classroom server cd and addon over the regular version?
[22:21] <LaserJock> amirman: that is the regular version
[22:21] <amirman> speen?
[22:21] <amirman> oh sorry
[22:21] <LaserJock> but when you boot the Classroom Server CD want to select a Workstation install
[22:21] <amirman> so what's speen?
[22:21] <LaserJock> speed I assume
[22:22] <amirman> oh sorry i should have figured that out
[22:22] <LaserJock> amirman: now, that will install a normal Edubuntu desktop
[22:22] <amirman> i thought it was some special xfce thing
[22:22] <amirman> ok
[22:22] <amirman> will it work without the 1 gb processor up to that point?
[22:23] <LaserJock> amirman: then you can put in the Addon CD and install more kid stuff and also Xfce (I think under Light Desktop)
[22:23] <LaserJock> amirman: it'll be slow, but yes
[22:24] <amirman> awesome
[22:24] <LaserJock> so the short answer is, yes, you shouldn't have too much problems
[22:24] <LaserJock> but it's gonna take some time
[22:25] <amirman> i'm going to try it out, i'm going to stay logged in to this room, i'll let you know how it goes, i'm sure i'll be back with more questions before too long
[22:25] <amirman> thanks again
[22:25] <LaserJock> I've seen people install Ubuntu on like 333MHz machines with less ram
[22:25] <LaserJock> amirman: will it have a internet connection?
[22:25] <LaserJock> at least while being set up
[22:25] <amirman> i have a wireless card in there
[22:25] <amirman> and i have wireless in my house
[22:25] <amirman> so i hope so
[22:26] <LaserJock> hmm, hopefully, some cards are a bit of a pain
[22:26] <ogra_cmpc> 80 gig.... what a luxury :)
[22:26] <LaserJock> yeah
[22:26] <amirman> i noticed, i used to have openSUSE on this machine but the wireless card never worked with it
[22:26] <LaserJock> I was expecting 5GB
[22:27] <amirman> well i also have a laptop with 1.3gb
[22:27] <LaserJock> ogra_cmpc: you gonna be around for a sec?
[22:27] <amirman> and a 300 MHz processor
[22:27] <LaserJock> amirman: Ubuntu Server would work on that
[22:27] <ogra_cmpc> LaserJock: yep
[22:27] <amirman> the problem with the laptop is that it won't boot from the CD drive
[22:28] <LaserJock> ogra_cmpc: bazz sent an email to -users I think about ssh/vnc/TCM
[22:28] <amirman> i can only use the floppy drive to boot
[22:28] <LaserJock> ogra_cmpc: I have no clue and I wondered if you might have some advice for him
[22:28] <amirman> i can't even install freeDOS on it
[22:28] <ogra_cmpc> i'm way behind on email (one thing i still got not proper on the classmate)
[22:28] <amirman> because it won't find the cdrom
[22:28] <ogra_cmpc> i'll try to look into that
[22:29] <LaserJock> ogra_cmpc: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-devel/2007-November/002436.html
[22:29] <LaserJock> oh, -devel actually
[22:29] <LaserJock> bazz: you still around?
[22:29] <LaserJock> amirman: does it have a network card?
[22:30] <bazz> yes sorry
[22:30] <bazz> I'm back
[22:30] <LaserJock> bazz: awesome, ogra_cmpc is here, he's the leader of Edubuntu and works a lot on LTSP
[22:31] <amirman> it has a superold kind i've never seen before
[22:31] <amirman> i have no idea how it even works
[22:31] <LaserJock> amirman: hehe
[22:31] <bazz> cool hey
[22:32]  * ogra_cmpc has actually to go to another meeting soon ... sorry, busy day here at the canonical conference
[22:32] <ogra_cmpc> i have about 5min
[22:32] <bazz> thats ok
[22:33] <bazz> did you happen to see my post on the mailing list?
[22:33] <ogra_cmpc> next week i'll be back to normal though
[22:33] <bazz> about vnc/ screen viewer and ssh?
[22:33] <ogra_cmpc> sadly i'm heavily behind on mail due to the two confs in a row
[22:33] <bazz> k
[22:33] <ogra_cmpc> (we had ubuntu developer conf last week, canonical company meeting this week)
[22:34] <amirman> laserjock: it is a 33.6 mhz ethernet modem with xjack connector, 10 mbps LAN adapter
[22:34] <bazz> to get screen viewer I had to get it woring as the the same way as in feisty
[22:34] <ogra_cmpc> i'll look for it today and try to help you out
[22:34] <bazz> tok cool
[22:34] <bazz> just wondering if there is a few bugs with it
[22:34] <amirman> what the heck is an xjack?
[22:34] <ogra_cmpc> did you run ltsp-update-image after installing stuff in the chroot ?
[22:34] <bazz> yes
[22:35] <ogra_cmpc> thats a new command you need in gutsy for every change in there
[22:35] <ogra_cmpc> ok
[22:35] <bazz> I had to do a system update with pre-release res. enabled the the viewer worked
[22:35] <ogra_cmpc> hmm, i need my HW around and try to follow the same procewss you did to see whats wrong actually
[22:36] <bazz> ok
[22:36] <bazz> I posted it all to the mailing list so when you have time
[22:36]  * ogra_cmpc only has the classmate with him
[22:36] <ogra_cmpc> ... and have to go afk now ... bbl
[22:36] <bazz> have a good one
[22:37] <bazz> hmmm
[22:37] <bazz> update image in chroot???
[22:38] <bazz> I think i did it as sudo ltsp-update-image...
[22:38] <bazz> thats right....right?
[22:38] <bazz> should it have been chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
[22:39] <bazz> ltsp-update-image?
[22:39] <bazz> ahh anyway
[22:41] <Goosemoose> ok im going nuts here. i can type 'ping r2d2' and geta response that says 'from r2d2.dhs.local....' BUT if i type 'ping r2d2.dhs.local' i get unknown host!
[22:41] <Goosemoose> bulmer, any other ideas then?
[22:43] <baz> you have a host file?
[22:44] <Goosemoose> yes
[22:44] <Goosemoose> it has one hosts line in it
[22:44] <Goosemoose> file mdns4.minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4
[22:44] <Goosemoose> actually says files
[22:45] <baz> comment out the line?
[22:45] <baz> I think i has something like this
[22:46] <Goosemoose> didnt try that
[22:46] <Goosemoose> trying now, do i need to do anything after i comment it out? reset anything?
[22:46] <baz> I think the proble had to do with dns
[22:47] <drx0drx0> anyone know how to copy directories from a Linux box to a Windows 2000 or XP system OR a Novell server OR a hybrid drive that supports Windows & Mac OS?
[22:47] <baz> did you try a nslookup?
[22:48] <baz> ahh how do ya mean?
[22:48] <Goosemoose> but why would nslookup work?
[22:48] <Goosemoose> yes
[22:48] <Goosemoose> nslookup r2d2.dhs.local worked fine!
[22:48] <baz> just copy them over
[22:48] <Goosemoose> so did ping r2d2
[22:50] <baz> what if you nslookup r2d2
[22:50] <drx0drx0> baz, how do I get Linux to see the Windows share, by just using a URL as in //windowspc/sharename  in the copy command?
[22:50] <baz> is it a share? or a mounted drive?
[22:52] <baz> drx0drx0 you using ubuntu
[22:53] <Goosemoose> baz, nslookup r2d2 returns r2d2.dhs.local 10.0.0.5
[22:54] <Goosemoose> if i add r2d2.dhs.local to the hosts file then i can ping it with fqdn
[22:54] <Goosemoose> but i cant ping anything else the domain unless i drop the .dhs.local
[22:54] <drx0drx0> baz, it's a Windows Share
[22:55] <baz> drx0drx0  you using ubuntu? kubuntu?
[22:56] <drx0drx0> baz:  ubuntu and SUSU
[22:56] <drx0drx0> baz, ubuntu & SUSE
[22:57] <baz> under places I think there is a thing call servers..or connect to server...?
[22:57] <baz> click on that then click network
[22:58] <drx0drx0> Network Servers and then Windows Servers, yes, but it's MT
[22:58] <baz> enter your workgroup or whatever, user name and pass
[22:58] <drx0drx0> baz, where?
[22:58] <baz> you using feisty, or gusty?
[22:59] <baz> MT?
[22:59] <drx0drx0> empty
[22:59] <baz> so your network is empty?
[23:00] <baz> what windos os are you trying to connect to/
[23:00] <drx0drx0> baz, XP Pro
[23:01] <baz> if your network is showing empty then it could be the firewall on xp
[23:02] <drx0drx0> I turned it off
[23:02] <baz> wait a few befor trying again
[23:02] <drx0drx0> I can't ping the client, it pings the Windows client 1 x then it pings the gateway
[23:03] <baz> xp can delay sometimes
[23:03] <drx0drx0> it's been about 1/2 hour
[23:03] <baz> you pinging the ip or the host name?
[23:03] <drx0drx0> ip
[23:03] <baz> hmm strange
[23:04] <drx0drx0> baz, i know, & I can totally ping the gateway (router)
[23:04] <baz> but you cant ping the xp machine?
[23:04] <baz> is it on the same network?
[23:05] <drx0drx0> baz, actually, I can't ping anything besides my own Linux server IP
[23:05] <baz> from the ubuntu machin or the xp machine
[23:06] <drx0drx0> baz, now I can ping the XP box
[23:06] <baz> it was the firewall
[23:06] <drx0drx0> baz, maybe, but I can't see anything in Network Servers & when I put in the ip address it shows nothing
[23:07] <drx0drx0> baz, so I went with smb://<ip> & that worked, thanks!
[23:07] <baz> just clik on the network button
[23:07] <drx0drx0> baz, just curious, why can't i browse?
[23:07] <baz> k
[23:07] <baz> brows the network..?
[23:08] <drx0drx0> y
[23:08] <baz> sometime the windows service take a few for machins to see
[23:09] <baz> what is the protocal netbui..? or something
[23:09] <baz> ok i need to do some stuff
[23:09] <drx0drx0> baz, I think it's TCP/IP + smb, but netbui is generally used by windows shares
[23:09] <drx0drx0> baz, ok thanks!
[23:10] <baz> have fun
[23:10] <drx0drx0> baz, one last ?, is writing to an NTFS volume via a windows client share reliable (I know they say writing directly to NTFS from Linux is not)?
[23:11] <baz> I do it all the time
[23:11] <drx0drx0> ok, cause this data is worth $$$$$$
[23:11] <baz> havent had problem yet
[23:11] <baz> the i would not chance if it $$$$
[23:12] <drx0drx0> baz, so what should I do then?
[23:12] <baz> remeber to always back up!!!
[23:12] <baz> then transfer
[23:12] <drx0drx0> baz, what u mean?
[23:13] <drx0drx0> baz, u mean backup into the ext3 filesystem using some backup utility and then xfer the resulting single file containing all my target files to the NTFS share?
[23:24] <baz> drxodrx0 you could do it that way
[23:35] <baz> drxodrx0 or you could just copy and paste that way you keep the orignal