| Riddell | nixternal: about? could you hide that fridge story for a while, it's unfinished | 00:28 |
|---|---|---|
| nixternal | how much money do you have? | 00:28 |
| nixternal | unpublished | 00:29 |
| mhb | hi Riddell, when is the first day you'll have time for a meeting? | 00:29 |
| Riddell | thanks | 00:30 |
| mhb | we'd like to have one (kubuntu meeting) soon | 00:30 |
| Riddell | mhb: any day except next weekend and monday | 00:31 |
| mhb | okay, thanks | 00:31 |
| nixternal | mhb: I am open thursday and friday to an extent | 00:32 |
| nixternal | anytime after 20:00 UTC | 00:32 |
| mhb | nixternal: hmm, it'll need some planning, and I guess we should agree on a date at least a week ahead | 00:33 |
| nixternal | we could at least get the agenda rolling | 00:33 |
| Riddell | nixternal: you can unhide the fridge story again | 00:34 |
| nixternal | make it active now? | 00:34 |
| Riddell | yes | 00:35 |
| nixternal | published again :) | 00:35 |
| mhb | nixternal: so you're free every friday night? 16th as well? | 00:35 |
| nixternal | yes | 00:36 |
| nixternal | I am a luser with no friends :p | 00:36 |
| nixternal | hurry up back mhb | 00:40 |
| nixternal | I forgot my ssh password | 00:40 |
| yuriy | nixternal: "this review, which her blog post Kubuntu Gutsy."?? | 00:42 |
| nixternal | fixed..thanks | 00:44 |
| * nixternal wonders why Brian didn't catch that | 00:44 | |
| nixternal | mhb: can I ssh into the web svr to edit some css? | 00:44 |
| DaSkreech | What happens when the adept upgrade manager cannot be verified | 00:45 |
| DaSkreech | What failed? | 00:45 |
| nixternal | mhb: what do you think about having just the front page show info about Kubuntu, and then in the right sidebar, add a news block that will read the /news page? | 00:45 |
| yuriy | ooh a new website? | 00:46 |
| gnomefreak | DaSkreech: upgrade to hardy? | 00:48 |
| DaSkreech | gnomefreak: Sorry? No to Gutsy | 00:48 |
| jjesse | is that even possible/ | 00:48 |
| jjesse | upgrading to hardy | 00:48 |
| gnomefreak | DaSkreech: ah not sure try restarting it | 00:48 |
| DaSkreech | hobbsee is on hardy | 00:48 |
| gnomefreak | jjesse: yes | 00:49 |
| DaSkreech | gnomefreak: KK | 00:49 |
| gnomefreak | jjesse: ill advised | 00:49 |
| jjesse | thought hobsse was running ubuntu | 00:49 |
| * gnomefreak been on hardy since 1 day after repos opened | 00:49 | |
| gnomefreak | its no fun well a little bit | 00:49 |
| DaSkreech | jjesse: You say that like ubuntu cannot be hardy :) | 00:50 |
| DaSkreech | gnomefreak: Wait 4 weeks | 00:50 |
| DaSkreech | more updates than you can shake a joystick at | 00:50 |
| gnomefreak | DaSkreech: why X is already broke | 00:50 |
| DaSkreech | or a pointy stick in some people's case | 00:50 |
| gnomefreak | but i hear mike fixed it in apt | 00:50 |
| gnomefreak | to hold back even on dist-upgrade (after i break mine | 00:50 |
| jjesse | instead of kubuntu is what i ment | 00:51 |
| DaSkreech | Yeah she is | 00:52 |
| nixternal | The board had voted some time ago to buy the land, but was waiting for KDE’s approval before making the actual purchase. | 00:56 |
| nixternal | :) | 00:56 |
| mhb | nixternal: why not | 00:56 |
| nixternal | why not to which one? | 00:56 |
| mhb | nixternal: yes, you should be able to ssh into it and work on it ... | 00:56 |
| mhb | nixternal: if you can create a "sofisticated" news block, let's have it! | 00:56 |
| nixternal | we need a module called "views"...it is way better than the stock taxonomy module with drupal | 00:56 |
| mhb | sophisticated, sorry | 00:56 |
| nixternal | mhb: cool, I have created a million of them :) | 00:56 |
| nixternal | actually, views does all the work for me, I just need to tweak the CSS to get them right, which is easy | 00:57 |
| mhb | do you have account on the site5? | 00:57 |
| nixternal | yes | 00:57 |
| nixternal | but I changed my password and ditched the notice :) | 00:57 |
| jjesse | updating entities for kubuntu docs, what any idea what kernel is hardy? | 00:58 |
| nixternal | jjesse: not yet on the kernel...I changed most of the ents last week | 00:58 |
| jjesse | hmm oh ok | 00:58 |
| nixternal | probably 2.6.23 | 00:59 |
| mhb | nixternal: I'm going to sleep now, if you have any trouble, either wait for me or ask ryanakca, he also should fix whatever is needed | 00:59 |
| mhb | he's got (working) access to it, too | 00:59 |
| nixternal | OK, my password doesn't work ont he server, so I can change css | 00:59 |
| jjesse | thought i had kubuntu-hardy all merged so i was curious | 00:59 |
| nixternal | s/can/can't | 00:59 |
| mhb | hmm, lemme fix | 00:59 |
| nixternal | set it to changeme or something silly | 01:00 |
| * ryanakca waves to nixternal | 01:00 | |
| nixternal | you could just grab my publich ssh key from lp, that would make it easy | 01:00 |
| * nixternal waves back | 01:00 | |
| nixternal | I am going to go watch chuck | 01:00 |
| * jjesse writes down nixternal's password as changeme | 01:00 | |
| nixternal | man, Poundcake just came on CaboWaboRadio | 01:00 |
| * ryanakca points to the TODO file in the branch | 01:01 | |
| ryanakca | wadda? | 01:01 |
| ryanakca | CaboWaboRadio? how do you get that from Poundcake? | 01:01 |
| nixternal | cabowaboradio.com for the baddest music in the world | 01:01 |
| ryanakca | Ah | 01:01 |
| mhb | nixternal: somethingsilly it is | 01:01 |
| jjesse | badest = good? | 01:01 |
| nixternal | cabowaboradio == sammy hagar's online radio station | 01:01 |
| * ryanakca likes BBC Radio 2 :D | 01:01 | |
| nixternal | mhb: thanks, I am in and changed it | 01:02 |
| nixternal | ok...back in a few..time for a quick tv show | 01:02 |
| ryanakca | see you :) | 01:02 |
| DaSkreech | nixternal: saw boud's blog? Popup priter manangement would be cool :) | 01:09 |
| Riddell | it's planned for hardy | 01:11 |
| DaSkreech | I plugged my friends camera in and it popped up Digikam | 01:12 |
| DaSkreech | well the new hardware thing and had digikam highlighted | 01:12 |
| Riddell | yes, not sure how he missed that | 01:13 |
| Riddell | and yay, suse not doing work upstream | 01:13 |
| DaSkreech | I haven't had a printer in oodles of time | 01:13 |
| jjesse | man i'm tired today | 01:33 |
| jjesse | morning Jucato... hope the cold boot is quick today | 01:33 |
| Jucato | good evening jjesse! :) | 01:34 |
| Jucato | nah I woke up 2 hours ago. well booted now :) | 01:34 |
| jjesse | :) | 01:34 |
| Jucato | (doesn't mean I'm sane though...) | 01:34 |
| jjesse | hows the adept documetnation review going | 01:34 |
| Jucato | you're leaving for .au this weekend? | 01:34 |
| jjesse | wednesday | 01:34 |
| Jucato | oooh tomorrow... (here) | 01:34 |
| jjesse | wow yeah still haven't packed | 01:35 |
| Jucato | uh oh :) | 01:35 |
| Jucato | why not let the missus pack for you? :P | 01:35 |
| jjesse | that will be tomorrow night | 01:35 |
| Jucato | jjesse: http://jucato.org/kde/adeptguide.diff | 01:36 |
| Jucato | as for content... well that's coming soon :P | 01:37 |
| jjesse | ooo i like content | 01:37 |
| DaSkreech | nixternal: What were you saying about canllaith ? | 01:37 |
| Jucato | score card: -3 and +1 kde devs :) | 01:38 |
| Jucato | I'm not used to reading in docbook so it takes a while :P | 01:38 |
| jjesse | np | 01:39 |
| jjesse | -3 to me? | 01:39 |
| Jucato | nah. -3 kde devs... | 01:39 |
| Jucato | 3 devs that have left or considered leaving their kubu systems :) | 01:40 |
| Jucato | jjesse: this adept guide covers adept manager only, doesn't it? | 01:40 |
| jjesse | Jucato: there should be one for adept manager, adept updater | 01:40 |
| * jjesse hopes his battery lasts a long time on the flight so i can work on the training guide an other documentation | 01:41 | |
| Jucato | jjesse: ah separate ones per app... ok... | 01:42 |
| jjesse | Jucato: yeah | 01:43 |
| * jjesse afk | 01:46 | |
| Jucato | !away | jjesse | 01:46 |
| ubotu | jjesse: You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair on new users. The same goes for using noisy away messages : use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently - See also !Guidelines | 01:46 |
| Jucato | lol sorry! just couldn't resist :D | 01:46 |
| DaSkreech | Jucato: What did you do? | 01:47 |
| Jucato | ^^^^^ | 01:47 |
| DaSkreech | Jucato: Wow problems just cropped in in #kubunut since you logged in. | 01:47 |
| DaSkreech | bah | 01:47 |
| DaSkreech | #kubuntu | 01:47 |
| Jucato | shall I log out? | 01:48 |
| DaSkreech | Ha ha :) | 01:48 |
| yuriy | irc lines wasted by jjesse: 1. By Jucato: 7 | 01:48 |
| DaSkreech | No I'd prefer you with problems than games without | 01:48 |
| Jucato | hehe :) | 01:48 |
| nixternal | ryanakca: I will work on some of the TODO things now | 02:18 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: thanks :) | 02:18 |
| Jucato | nixternal!!!!!!!! | 02:18 |
| ryanakca | if you have any questions, poke me :) | 02:18 |
| nixternal | wasabi Jucato | 02:19 |
| nixternal | cd 56 | 02:20 |
| Jucato | cd .. | 02:21 |
| Jucato | cd / | 02:21 |
| Jucato | I'm in your root! | 02:21 |
| nixternal | heh, I meant /window :) | 02:21 |
| Jucato | hahah | 02:22 |
| nixternal | bah, I can't make edits to the damn css on the server | 02:23 |
| nixternal | and of course it isn't in english, but I understood the RED warning :) | 02:23 |
| nixternal | ahh, because ryanakca has all of the power on those files | 02:23 |
| nixternal | ryanakca: can you chmod the files in the themes dir on the server so people in the themers group can have write access | 02:24 |
| ryanakca | yep | 02:24 |
| nixternal | wow, I have never messed with editing a website on a connection so sloooooooow before :) | 02:25 |
| nixternal | thanks | 02:26 |
| ryanakca | Happy? | 02:26 |
| ryanakca | hehe, that's why I edit locally and then rsync ;) | 02:26 |
| === _Paleo is now known as Paleo | ||
| nixternal | image centered | 02:34 |
| nixternal | ryanakca: can you add modules or no? | 02:36 |
| ryanakca | I don't think I can | 02:37 |
| ryanakca | or wait... yes. | 02:37 |
| nixternal | bah, I didn't fix the image...stupid absolute positioning | 02:38 |
| ryanakca | Since I have admin privileges... where is it? | 02:38 |
| ryanakca | hehe... | 02:38 |
| ryanakca | ies4linux is your friend, btw | 02:38 |
| ryanakca | http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Main_Page | 02:39 |
| nixternal | ya right, I would never install that on my box | 02:39 |
| nixternal | I know people with IE6, they can test it for me | 02:40 |
| ryanakca | hehe, if you wish :) | 02:40 |
| * ryanakca yawns | 02:40 | |
| ryanakca | don't you have admin privileges to drupal? | 02:40 |
| nixternal | ya | 02:45 |
| nixternal | but not to add a module | 02:45 |
| Jucato | you would never install ies4linux... but would be ok with vista? :) | 02:45 |
| nixternal | I don't know if I am 100% sold on this theme | 02:45 |
| nixternal | Jucato: I would rather have virus laden software stuck in one location, and one location only | 02:45 |
| Jucato | hehe :) | 02:46 |
| Jucato | hm.. you can get virus from ies4linux? | 02:46 |
| nixternal | but it isn't going to go on my linux box | 02:46 |
| Jucato | :) | 02:47 |
| jjesse | back | 02:57 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: drupal theme? | 03:11 |
| * ryanakca => bed | 03:13 | |
| Jucato | k'night ryanakca! | 03:13 |
| ryanakca | :) | 03:14 |
| jjesse | nixternal: i ran ies4linux on my laptop to access work stuff and it worked fine | 03:14 |
| coreymon77 | ??? | 03:28 |
| coreymon77 | how can that happen | 03:28 |
| coreymon77 | viruses wont work in lin | 03:28 |
| jjesse | dang it | 03:29 |
| jjesse | Jucato: can you email me the link for the adept diff? | 03:29 |
| yuriy | and coreymon77 drops off mid-word as the virus takes him down | 03:29 |
| coreymon77 | im on a mac | 03:29 |
| coreymon77 | yuriy: i was short forming too | 03:29 |
| DaSkreech | cultured virus! | 03:29 |
| Jucato | jjesse: jjesse AT ubuntu DOT com | 03:29 |
| jjesse | ah so you ahve that finder bug that is loosing data | 03:30 |
| jjesse | Jucato: yes isr | 03:30 |
| jjesse | sir | 03:30 |
| jjesse | or the trojan that you can download | 03:30 |
| Jucato | jjesse: why not just e-mail the diff to you, rather than just the link? :P | 03:30 |
| Jucato | jjesse: sent!. now for lunch | 03:31 |
| nixternal | ryanakca: check out the page if you are still up | 03:37 |
| seele | whoooo go steelers! | 03:48 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, do we build playground/bindings/phpqt in kubuntu ? | 03:48 |
| imbrandon | heya seele | 03:48 |
| seele | hmm.. perhaps i should cheer in a local channel :P | 03:48 |
| seele | hallo kansas | 03:48 |
| imbrandon | :) | 03:48 |
| seele | (came home after half time. drank a bith muchH) | 03:49 |
| imbrandon | hehe been there | 03:49 |
| seele | mispells.. time to go offline befor i embarass myself | 03:49 |
| imbrandon | gnight :) | 03:49 |
| seele | a bit late for riddell to be on, no? | 03:49 |
| imbrandon | it is , i normaly just wait N hours for a response | 03:50 |
| imbrandon | :) | 03:50 |
| seele | ah hah | 03:50 |
| imbrandon | he is good about check hilights ( watch this time he wont heheh ) | 03:50 |
| imbrandon | checking* | 03:50 |
| DaSkreech | nixternal: What about canllaith? | 03:51 |
| DaSkreech | seele: what went down? | 03:51 |
| seele | DaSkreech: it was35 nothing before baltimore got their act together and made a touchdown | 03:52 |
| seele | 5 tunovers in the first half, 4 lost to pittsburgh | 03:52 |
| DaSkreech | nice | 03:52 |
| seele | yah | 03:52 |
| seele | <-- from pittsburgh | 03:53 |
| seele | WHOO GO STEELERS | 03:53 |
| * seele coughs | 03:53 | |
| seele | liek i said.. time for beds | 03:53 |
| * DaSkreech carries seele off | 03:53 | |
| Riddell | imbrandon: there's php qt?! | 04:01 |
| jjesse | so jono gave me a book on python so watch out :) | 04:01 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, yea, heheh i love it | 04:01 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, i guess since none else love php as much as me though i'll package it hehe | 04:02 |
| imbrandon | its only php65 and only qt4 | 04:02 |
| imbrandon | s/65/5/g | 04:02 |
| imbrandon | but thats ok | 04:02 |
| imbrandon | i'm doing a svn checkout now | 04:03 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, uses smoke and kalyptus | 04:07 |
| imbrandon | so should stay updated easy | 04:07 |
| === bddebian2 is now known as bddebian | ||
| nixternal | ryanakca and mhb: quite a few changes to the site layout now - I am not 100% sold on the design at this time though | 05:27 |
| * Jucato sings nixternal a lullaby... | 05:49 | |
| nixternal | I need one | 05:49 |
| * nixternal checks to see how emtpy the bank account is | 05:49 | |
| nixternal | yup, its empty | 05:49 |
| Jucato | eek! | 05:49 |
| Jucato | :( | 05:49 |
| nixternal | but when I wake up, it will be full again :) | 05:49 |
| Jucato | and I was going to ask you to buy me a n810 for christmas... | 05:50 |
| Jucato | aaah hehehe | 05:50 |
| Jucato | good :) | 05:50 |
| nixternal | ya right...I would buy me one first :) | 05:50 |
| Jucato | :D | 05:50 |
| nixternal | how much are them things anyways? | 05:50 |
| Jucato | they're not yet released.... but I believe the target was $479? | 05:50 |
| * Jucato is about 1/4 way there already | 05:50 | |
| nixternal | jesus, you can get a laptop for that price | 05:50 |
| Jucato | you can't carry the laptop around like that, or have a touchscreen :) | 05:51 |
| nixternal | I would rather build another box or get a new laptop than that thing | 05:51 |
| Jucato | Eee PC? | 05:51 |
| Jucato | that's my other option | 05:51 |
| nixternal | plus, if I got it, I would be the only one around here with one...I have yet to even see one up close and personal | 05:51 |
| Jucato | I'm completely torn :) | 05:51 |
| nixternal | I would wait until the Eee PC gets something other than 640x480 and a 5 year old KDE | 05:52 |
| Jucato | 5 year old KDE? | 05:52 |
| nixternal | ya, they are using a very early 3.x I believe | 05:52 |
| nixternal | I just read it on planet kde I thought | 05:52 |
| Jucato | 3.5.x afaik | 05:52 |
| nixternal | ya, that is for the wimpy version, there is an advanced function on the Eee PC | 05:53 |
| n8k99 | fujitsu u810 has 1040X600 screen | 05:53 |
| Jucato | how can the hell can fit 2 KDE versions? O.o | 05:53 |
| Jucato | n8k99: how much? how light? | 05:54 |
| n8k99 | 1.5 lbs | 05:54 |
| Jucato | hm... | 05:55 |
| n8k99 | its about the size of a paperback novel | 05:55 |
| Jucato | how much? | 05:55 |
| n8k99 | $999 | 05:55 |
| nixternal | $400 for the N800...ridiculous | 05:55 |
| Jucato | wow!!! | 05:55 |
| Jucato | nixternal: n810 | 05:55 |
| Jucato | ah ok | 05:55 |
| Jucato | nvm lol | 05:55 |
| nixternal | what is the purpose of it anyways? is it a phone? | 05:56 |
| Jucato | nope | 05:56 |
| Jucato | internet tablet | 05:56 |
| n8k99 | fujitsu u810 is a notebook | 05:56 |
| nixternal | ahh, ya I don't need that | 05:56 |
| nixternal | I am going to wait for a Google phone now | 05:56 |
| Jucato | almost like a UMPC... but more on the mobile side :) | 05:56 |
| nixternal | which hopefully won't be another year waiting for a FOSS phone | 05:56 |
| * Jucato is probably going to remove Xandros from the Eee PC if he ever gets one.. | 05:56 | |
| Jucato | Neo1973/OpenMoko? :D | 05:57 |
| nixternal | I wouldn't buy an FIC anything, even if you gave me the money for it | 05:57 |
| nixternal | plus, has openMoko even hit a milestone yet? | 05:57 |
| Jucato | dunno :) | 05:58 |
| * n8k99 saw nixternal raving about that earlier | 05:58 | |
| * Jucato is more interested in Qtopia on those devices... | 05:58 | |
| nixternal | ya, I thought I did, couldn't remember though | 05:58 |
| nixternal | Greenphone! | 05:58 |
| n8k99 | =p | 05:58 |
| Jucato | huh? you haven't heard yet? | 05:58 |
| nixternal | I know someone here ordered something, but I haven't seen it yet | 05:58 |
| Jucato | greenphone's R.I.P. | 05:58 |
| nixternal | didn't know that, but then again, if the phone isn't less than $20, I don't really care much :) | 05:59 |
| nixternal | all a phone needs to do for me is make and receive calls | 05:59 |
| Jucato | hahah | 05:59 |
| n8k99 | i thinl i saw that troltech is more interested in putting it on the NEC | 05:59 |
| nixternal | all of that other stuff is unneccessary | 05:59 |
| Jucato | they discontinued it and will now focus on supporting Qtopia on other devices | 05:59 |
| nixternal | like Familiar? or Opie? | 05:59 |
| n8k99 | nixternal: virgin prepaid phones cost $20 | 05:59 |
| nixternal | aren't those Qtopia/KDE like things | 06:00 |
| nixternal | my cheap phone was FREE | 06:00 |
| n8k99 | nice! | 06:00 |
| Jucato | Opie is/was a fork of Qtopia. intended to be free before Qtopia was released as GPL | 06:00 |
| Jucato | afaik | 06:00 |
| nixternal | oh, I played with Opie on a Zaurus, sweet stuff | 06:00 |
| nixternal | anywho, I am going to crash...I am dead | 06:01 |
| nixternal | k'nite :) | 06:01 |
| Jucato | k'night nixternal! | 06:01 |
| Jucato | but a kde4 beta4 package question | 06:01 |
| Jucato | in #kubuntu :P | 06:01 |
| Serega | Mornin' guys! | 06:07 |
| * Serega dances | 07:56 | |
| * Serega sings funny songs | 07:58 | |
| === Earl_of_Dunham is now known as n8k99 | ||
| === mars is now known as marseillai | ||
| === tmske__ is now known as tmske | ||
| mhb | nixternal: explain "sold on the design" - does it mean "I don't like what you did there" or "I don't like what you did there and I am willing to provide the resources to fix that" or something else? | 11:22 |
| mhb | nixternal: it looks kind of dull now that all the images are gone and there's a lot of text | 11:23 |
| mhb | I'm definitely not sold on *tha* :o) | 11:24 |
| mhb | err *that* | 11:24 |
| mhb | ^^ RFC from ryanakca , too | 11:28 |
| Hobbsee | hm. just checking, but kioslaves wont work with firefox or something will they? | 11:54 |
| Hobbsee | you'd need dolphin or konq? | 11:54 |
| * Hobbsee pokes mhb | 11:59 | |
| * Hobbsee reads another kubuntu report | 11:59 | |
| ryanakca | nixternal: mhb: Riddell quite liked it the way it was... definitely needs more images | 12:00 |
| * ryanakca shrugs | 12:00 | |
| Hobbsee | yay, dolphin works on gnome! | 12:05 |
| * Hobbsee has webdavs access again! | 12:08 | |
| ryanakca | mhb: Eh, you three (you, nixternal & jr) can figure out what you want the page to look like while I'm away today... I'm obviously hoping that we'll keep it as I made it, but, I'm one voice amongst four :) | 12:22 |
| mhb | ryanakca: there are some rought edges, but I still like the concept | 12:25 |
| mhb | ryanakca: (the bottom line looks kind of fuzzy, maybe we take too much vertical space for the logo and download link...) | 12:26 |
| ryanakca | mhb: add it to the TODO as well :) | 12:26 |
| * ryanakca => school, see you :) | 12:26 | |
| Jucato | bye school! | 12:26 |
| Jucato | er bye ryanakca! | 12:26 |
| Jucato | :) | 12:26 |
| nosrednaekim | is this Troy Unrau? http://troy-at-kde.livejournal.com/10632.html | 12:34 |
| nosrednaekim | oh yeah... it is.. | 12:34 |
| nosrednaekim | kinda sad that he got messed over by XGL that way.. | 12:35 |
| Jucato | yeah...sad... | 12:35 |
| nosrednaekim | i'm going to have to try sidux though :D | 12:37 |
| nosrednaekim | there are always the good reviews though :) | 12:40 |
| nosrednaekim | http://canllaith.org/?page_id=48 | 12:40 |
| Jucato | "But lately Kubuntu development seems to be made by amateurs and too many things aren't working." <--- OUCH | 13:15 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: where's that? | 13:22 |
| Jucato | one of the comments from troy's blog | 13:23 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 13:24 |
| Hobbsee | well, he does have a vague point | 13:26 |
| Hobbsee | how many incarnations of the nspluginviewer stuff did we have, again? | 13:27 |
| Hobbsee | the stuff that created /home in the ~'s | 13:27 |
| Jucato | :) | 13:27 |
| nixternal | mhb and ryanakca: well the text that was there originally didn't look good...don't know what it is lacking just yet....I am 95% sold on it, but that 5%...don't know what it is | 13:49 |
| Jucato | nixternal: your 3-way conversation just earned the three of you a pokemon character :) | 13:55 |
| nixternal | heh | 13:55 |
| nixternal | I just got the warning to "dist-upgrade to gutsy" | 13:56 |
| nixternal | funny, I have been running gutsy since like may | 13:56 |
| Jucato | http://www.happychild.org.uk/Webimage/exeggutor.jpg | 13:56 |
| Jucato | it's a known adept bug :) | 13:56 |
| nixternal | I have no idea what you just showed me | 13:57 |
| Jucato | the pokemon I just thought about :P | 13:57 |
| nixternal | ahhh | 13:57 |
| Jucato | you can pick a face among yourselves :P | 13:57 |
| nixternal | hahaha | 13:57 |
| nixternal | gee, thanks | 13:57 |
| Jucato | one for you, one for mhb, one for ryanakca :D | 13:57 |
| * Jucato actually had to google that image for a few minutes... | 14:04 | |
| rage0ff | whých ýs the ubuntu removed/deleleted/unýnstall ! help me | 14:20 |
| manchicken | nixternal: So is kde4b4 ready? :P | 14:23 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 15:00 |
| tekteen | anyone here know what packages I can take off of the alt install cd? I need to make room. | 16:01 |
| mhb | nixternal: hmm, well that one was more like a proof of concept, what I think is that loads of text never convinced anyone, they simply "aren't cool" now | 16:18 |
| mhb | nixternal: all that text might be useful for someone, and we should have it on the website in some form, either on a separate site or summed together in a few sentences. | 16:19 |
| mhb | "cool" sites have a large photo with some fancy text on them on the top site ... kind of like the news of the day | 16:20 |
| mhb | which was what I did, but spent very little time on it and I'm no graphic artist | 16:21 |
| mhb | nixternal: think http://www.redhat.com/ | 16:21 |
| yuriy | how about think www.ubuntu.com? shouldn't this basically be a kubuntu themed version of that? | 16:22 |
| mhb | perhaps in mind of others, but I really reject the concept "Kubuntu is (just) Ubuntu with KDE" | 16:23 |
| nixternal | mhb: that is exactly the idea I was looking for :) | 16:23 |
| mhb | yuriy: we will have a similar look, but not indentical | 16:24 |
| mhb | hehe, indentical :o) | 16:24 |
| nixternal | all we need is kwwii to make us a bunch of graphics (professional looking), and then I can create a javascript that will rotate the images either on time, refresh, or have it set up so we can configure how we want rotation and what not | 16:24 |
| mhb | we should rotate it if we have some news to fit | 16:26 |
| mhb | also, we can borrow from all kinds of CreativeCommons-licensed graphics | 16:27 |
| Jucato | good luck with the site, you exeggutor :) | 16:29 |
| Serega | is it all about kubuntu.org? | 16:31 |
| mhb | Serega: yes, about how it will look like in the future | 16:32 |
| Serega | I think we should post more news on start page | 16:33 |
| Serega | for exmple: Kaffeine codecs autoinstallation was implemented! =) | 16:34 |
| Riddell | Serega: ooh? | 16:34 |
| mhb | don't tease us | 16:34 |
| Serega | Riddell: Hi, John, I figured out what to do! | 16:35 |
| Riddell | no silent h! | 16:35 |
| Serega | mhb: sorry, that wasn't teasing | 16:35 |
| Serega | Riddell: "no silent h"? | 16:36 |
| Serega | Riddell: what does this mean? | 16:36 |
| Riddell | Serega: Jon not John | 16:36 |
| Serega | OOH | 16:36 |
| Riddell | adding silent h's to names is a curiosity of the English for the most part | 16:36 |
| Serega | Riddell: sorry | 16:36 |
| Serega | Riddell: so, just Jon or full Jonathan is better? | 16:37 |
| Lure | Serega: just Riddell is fine ;-) | 16:37 |
| Serega | :) | 16:38 |
| * Serega is shutting up | 16:38 | |
| Riddell | don't shut up, tell us about this exciting Kaffeine news! | 16:38 |
| Serega | ok) | 16:38 |
| Riddell | what's working? | 16:38 |
| Serega | I figured out how to detect unability to play videos | 16:38 |
| Serega | I need some time to implement right behaviour in that case | 16:39 |
| yuriy | Serega: have you seen "everything is illuminated"? Жонфен! | 16:39 |
| Serega | yuriy: no :) | 16:39 |
| Serega | yuriy: movie? | 16:40 |
| yuriy | yeah | 16:40 |
| Serega | yuriy: tell me the russian title | 16:40 |
| yuriy | Serega: it's an american movie, about an american guy named jonathan who goes to ukraine | 16:40 |
| Serega | I'll try find | 16:41 |
| * Serega is sad | 16:43 | |
| Riddell | Serega: why sad? | 16:46 |
| * mhb would be really down if he were sad from all the negative articles about Kubuntu he read this last few weeks | 16:47 | |
| mhb | everyone keeps saying "OpenSUSE beats Kubuntu, PCLinuxOS beats Kubuntu..." this and that | 16:48 |
| Serega | why Kyiv(Ukraine) is GMT+3 in ubuntu? It always was (and still) GMT+2 | 16:48 |
| Serega | Riddell: my official job eats all my time :( | 16:49 |
| Serega | Riddell: I have only 2-3 hours per day for heart-sake development | 16:50 |
| Serega | mhb: I don't see any articles against kubuntu | 16:51 |
| seele | Serega: http://troy-at-kde.livejournal.com/10632.html | 16:53 |
| Hobbsee | Serega: see planet kde | 16:53 |
| Riddell | mostly they're not against kubuntu specifically but about hardware support and that | 16:54 |
| Riddell | but yes, it's a bit disheartening | 16:54 |
| * Hobbsee thinsk the other thing is disheartening, instead. | 16:55 | |
| mhb | http://www.valdyas.org/fading/index.cgi/2007/11/05#opensuse103 | 16:55 |
| mhb | that was just 2 planetkde.org devs moving from Kubuntu to other distros | 16:55 |
| mhb | and it's like this among users, too. :o( | 16:56 |
| Serega | :( | 16:56 |
| Captain_Redbeard | hey guys... do you need a hand with KDE4 Beta4 packages? I'm building them for x64 as we speak... if they are to any use just let me know :P | 16:57 |
| Serega | lets look philosophically at this, every distribution has sector of critics | 16:57 |
| mhb | right, and developers are usually unforgiving, but you know how "Avalanche effect" works | 16:58 |
| mhb | two KDE developers write about moving away from Kubuntu and 100 users will think about it | 16:58 |
| * Hobbsee would have thought the X current kubuntu developers not using kubuntu was a more worrying statistic. | 17:00 | |
| Serega | mhb: maybe we sould leave for a time shining new ubuntu features and concentrate on polishing current system? | 17:00 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: right, I thought about that too | 17:01 |
| Serega | mhb: it is impossible to keep this race with so different forces | 17:01 |
| Serega | mhb: and I can write a blog message "I moving from Mandriva to Kubuntu"! :) | 17:02 |
| mhb | Serega: hehe, you don't have to :o) I think we should somehow learn from our mistakes, that's what I'm trying to say | 17:02 |
| mhb | Riddell: I hope you're not sad about it, tro's blog post seems to be a bit personal | 17:03 |
| Serega | mhb: easy things like KDE panel configuration can make a bad impression about distro during first 5 minutes of use | 17:04 |
| Serega | Riddell: it is really very personal | 17:04 |
| Serega | Riddell: btw, troy didn't wrote any issues he dislike in kubuntu, he just do not explain his point | 17:05 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: that is too | 17:07 |
| Riddell | Serega: yes that's annoying, also that he didn't tell me any of the issues when he came to our conference last week | 17:08 |
| Serega | Riddell: so, just ignore :) let's keep working! | 17:09 |
| Riddell | yeah! we rock! | 17:10 |
| Serega | =) | 17:10 |
| mhb | Riddell: correction, *you* rock! | 17:13 |
| Riddell | group hug! | 17:14 |
| * mhb hugs Riddell | 17:15 | |
| * Hobbsee hugs Riddell and mh | 17:15 | |
| * Hobbsee hugs Riddell and mhb | 17:15 | |
| mhb | I think the key to a large portion of the user base might be a good KDE4 | 17:18 |
| mhb | we are one of the last distros that doesn't provide a KDE4 CD yet | 17:18 |
| mhb | and of course, we need all our specific apps KDE4-ready | 17:18 |
| jjesse | afternoon | 17:19 |
| mhb | hi jjesse | 17:19 |
| mhb | Riddell: what did you decidew.r.t. PackageKit? | 17:27 |
| mhb | Riddell: are we going to move to it soon? | 17:27 |
| Riddell | mhb: it's a hardy+1 issue but if an apt backend appears which works I'll look into making KDE frontends | 17:28 |
| mhb | hmm, call one: could everyone find the time on Friday 16th for a meeting? | 17:30 |
| Hobbsee | no | 17:31 |
| mhb | :o( | 17:31 |
| Hobbsee | definetly not - i have 2 exams in that block of time | 17:31 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: can you get to a meeting in any day in the next 14 days? | 17:31 |
| Hobbsee | yeah. 18th or so, or a couple of days after | 17:32 |
| * Hobbsee has an exam on the 16th, and 17th | 17:32 | |
| mhb | nixternal: when would be the best day for you after 17th? | 17:33 |
| Hobbsee | and i think the other is on the 26th | 17:33 |
| mhb | Riddell: will you be working on the KDE4 Live CD? Or someone else? | 17:41 |
| Riddell | mhb: I will, but of course it needs up to date packages first | 17:43 |
| Riddell | which means merging with debian | 17:44 |
| mhb | is there a python-kde4 package in Kubuntu yet? | 17:44 |
| Riddell | no, kdebindings isn't packaged, Sime said the latest beta release isn't a good snapshot for it | 17:45 |
| Riddell | if you're interested you can ask him when a better snapshot to take would be | 17:45 |
| nixternal | I am heading home now...bbiab | 17:51 |
| mhb | nixternal: see yah | 17:51 |
| Serega | nixternal: great picture!!! | 17:51 |
| Serega | nixternal: see ya | 17:51 |
| Riddell | bling bling | 17:52 |
| Serega | nixternal: cool news on the side :)))) | 17:52 |
| * Serega bows "See you later, guys!" | 17:57 | |
| * Lure is using kde4 now as his desktop | 18:18 | |
| mhb | Lure: on Kubuntu? | 18:19 |
| nosrednaekim | Lure: as soon as they release beta 4 i'm going kde4 as well | 18:20 |
| Lure | mhb: yep, gutsy with kde4 from svn (I recompile daily) | 18:20 |
| Lure | mhb: I just start kde3 apps for mission critical stuff (kontact and konversation)( | 18:21 |
| mhb | nosrednaekim: they have released it AFAIK, it's just us not having it yet | 18:21 |
| mhb | Lure: did you move on with that kmilo bug? | 18:21 |
| nosrednaekim | yeah... well I mean packages | 18:21 |
| Lure | mhb: when they fix panel, it will be great for wider testing | 18:21 |
| mhb | Lure: do they even have a kmilo in KDE4? | 18:21 |
| Lure | mhb: not really - no idea and no HW to play with | 18:21 |
| Lure | mhb: I am just checking what the plans are in regards to laptop support | 18:22 |
| Lure | mhb: I will rather work on kde4 upstream than wait for kde4 final | 18:22 |
| Lure | mhb: will be easier to include in kubuntu | 18:22 |
| mhb | Lure: good decision | 18:22 |
| mhb | Lure: as long as you don't change distros the minute we turn away :o) Hehe, just joking, scroll up if you want to know what I'm referring to. | 18:23 |
| Lure | mhb: I joined half hour ago, so I do not know what you are talking about | 18:26 |
| mhb | Lure: there were several blogs of upstream people migrating away from Kubuntu in the last few days | 18:27 |
| mhb | KDE people | 18:27 |
| nosrednaekim | troy Unrau for example :( | 18:27 |
| Lure | mhb: have seen that | 18:28 |
| Lure | mhb: people come and people go | 18:29 |
| Lure | you should use the tool that works for you | 18:29 |
| mhb | Lure: right, but we're here to make Kubuntu work for them | 18:30 |
| mhb | so it kind of reflects what we are doing right/wrong | 18:30 |
| Lure | mhb: sure, and that is why I like that they make their frustrations public (even though Troy's problems really sound strange) | 18:30 |
| Lure | mhb: this should just push out to do better | 18:31 |
| Lure | sebas_: ping | 18:31 |
| Lure | mhb: kmilo is in kde4 | 18:32 |
| Lure | mhb: with ugly windows... ;-) | 18:33 |
| ScorpKing | can someone explain to me how kde apps like konqueror work when using internet. if i have no eth* connection and only ppp0, why does it not use the gateway for ppp0? | 18:33 |
| * Sime is feeling confident. Time to give KDE4 another spin. | 18:33 | |
| Lure | Sime: spin for python-kde4? | 18:33 |
| mhb | ^^ we all wait for that :o) | 18:33 |
| Sime | kde4 in general. | 18:33 |
| Lure | ScorpKing: it might be that knetworkmanager claims you have no network, so konqueror does not work | 18:34 |
| ScorpKing | ah i see. | 18:34 |
| Lure | ScorpKing: try to exit knetworkmanager and see if it works then | 18:34 |
| ScorpKing | will do. one sec.. | 18:34 |
| Lure | ScorpKing: or uninstall "networkstatus" | 18:34 |
| * Lure prepares dinner for kids, bbl | 18:37 | |
| ScorpKing | ok, it seems to be working now. i removed knetworkmanager. | 18:38 |
| nosrednaekim | any of you kubuntu-needs-better-art checked out klikit? | 18:38 |
| ScorpKing | thanks for the help Lure. :D | 18:40 |
| nixternal | Riddell: is that the kind of look you are going for on the site? | 18:43 |
| nixternal | I had an idea while driving home that would mix the Kabel and Ubuntu Title fonts..use the Kabel font for the first letter for home | download | about | support and such, and then use the ubuntu title for the rest of the fonts in the word...gonna play around here in a bit | 18:44 |
| nixternal | just learned something new...when you import an image into inkscape, don't delete that image from teh directory :/ | 18:48 |
| Riddell | nixternal: looks great to me | 18:55 |
| Riddell | nixternal: it needs a page for packages (for amarok, kde 4 etc) | 18:56 |
| DaSkreech | Does anyone have tearing in akregator? | 19:10 |
| seele | tearing? | 19:13 |
| DaSkreech | Yeah | 19:13 |
| DaSkreech | started since Gutsy | 19:13 |
| DaSkreech | I should catalogue all the fun stuff that started in Gutsyt | 19:13 |
| DaSkreech | I have the 3 pane view | 19:13 |
| DaSkreech | so when I press up and down it scroll the article I'm reading up and sown | 19:14 |
| DaSkreech | When it does that the feeds on the side start to try and follow it | 19:14 |
| DaSkreech | or more accurately the favicons do | 19:14 |
| DaSkreech | the feeds stay where they are | 19:14 |
| DaSkreech | so I get this movement of the favicons (at the edge of the feeds) moving up and down and when I stop they snap back to where they were leaving a trail behind them | 19:15 |
| seele | oh weird | 19:15 |
| DaSkreech | Yeah | 19:17 |
| DaSkreech | and Kopete won't stop asking me to make a new account | 19:17 |
| DaSkreech | seele: Still giddy over the win? | 19:19 |
| seele | DaSkreech: yeah.. i had a bit of a headache this morning :) | 19:21 |
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| ryanakca | mhb: ping, sorry, my mom was throwing a fit saying that I'd miss the bus :) | 20:14 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: oooh, you made the bottom bar longer, looks good :) | 20:15 |
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| nixternal | http://www.nixternal.com/tmp | 20:54 |
| nixternal | mhb, ryanakca, Riddell ^^ my plans are to have text popup with every image explaining a feature for each image | 20:55 |
| nixternal | for your server or desktop | 20:55 |
| nixternal | for your laptop | 20:55 |
| nixternal | synch your pda | 20:55 |
| nixternal | synch your music | 20:55 |
| nixternal | synch your phone | 20:55 |
| nixternal | use your digital camera | 20:55 |
| nixternal | like that, but not those exactly | 20:55 |
| nixternal | and then the last one to show when they are all showing would be "We have you covered", and that would show for a few seconds, and then start all over | 20:56 |
| nixternal | what do you think? | 20:56 |
| Riddell | nixternal: mind and ping kwwii when asking about artwork | 20:57 |
| Riddell | animation on a web page is dangerous though, it can easily look tacky | 20:57 |
| nixternal | of course | 20:58 |
| nixternal | ya, I think the same | 20:58 |
| nixternal | I have another idea, that uses that same idea though, just static | 20:58 |
| nixternal | Riddell: what if those images just loaded on time and that was it? you think that would be better, or get rid of it totally? | 21:04 |
| seele | nixternal: if you go with the animation, it needs to be faster | 21:07 |
| seele | people wont sit and watch it, their eyes will wonder to the rest of the page | 21:07 |
| nixternal | good point | 21:09 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: set it so that it changes on mouse over... | 21:33 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: you'd have to modify it so that people know it will change on mouseover... but :) | 21:33 |
| nixternal | mouseovers are so 1995 | 21:34 |
| ryanakca | əh :) | 21:37 |
| nixternal | http://www.nixternal.com/tmp/ <-- update - faster movement & text to go with it...this is a mock-up now, so be nice :) | 22:05 |
| Riddell | nixternal: you ignoring slacky? :) | 22:11 |
| nixternal | no, why? | 22:11 |
| nixternal | d'oh... | 22:11 |
| * nixternal sees the highlight | 22:11 | |
| nixternal | how many Italian Linux Days do they have? They keep this up, I am moving to Italy! :) | 22:12 |
| nixternal | oh man, that write is going to be a big one...I am getting ready to head out the door in a few, so I will attend to it this evening when I get back home | 22:13 |
| Riddell | nixternal: sure, whenever you feel like | 22:22 |
| Riddell | nixternal: just make sure it's KDE focused | 22:23 |
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| seele | nixternal: now that there is text with it, its too fast to read! hehe | 23:13 |
| Riddell | nixternal: I merged your docs to the website, sorry for the delay | 23:41 |
| Riddell | nixternal: I've removed links to old versions other than dapper | 23:41 |
| Riddell | nixternal: how come there's no General Documentation for Gutsy? | 23:41 |
| Riddell | presumably because it's not on help.ubuntu.com? | 23:41 |
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