[00:28] <Riddell> nixternal: about?  could you hide that fridge story for a while, it's unfinished
[00:28] <nixternal> how much money do you have?
[00:29] <nixternal> unpublished
[00:29] <mhb> hi Riddell, when is the first day you'll have time for a meeting?
[00:30] <Riddell> thanks
[00:30] <mhb> we'd like to have one (kubuntu meeting) soon
[00:31] <Riddell> mhb: any day except next weekend and monday
[00:31] <mhb> okay, thanks
[00:32] <nixternal> mhb: I am open thursday and friday to an extent
[00:32] <nixternal> anytime after 20:00 UTC
[00:33] <mhb> nixternal: hmm, it'll need some planning, and I guess we should agree on a date at least a week ahead
[00:33] <nixternal> we could at least get the agenda rolling
[00:34] <Riddell> nixternal: you can unhide the fridge story again
[00:34] <nixternal> make it active now?
[00:35] <Riddell> yes
[00:35] <nixternal> published again :)
[00:35] <mhb> nixternal: so you're free every friday night? 16th as well?
[00:36] <nixternal> yes
[00:36] <nixternal> I am a luser with no friends :p
[00:40] <nixternal> hurry up back mhb
[00:40] <nixternal> I forgot my ssh password
[00:42] <yuriy> nixternal: "this review, which her blog post Kubuntu Gutsy."??
[00:44] <nixternal> fixed..thanks
[00:44]  * nixternal wonders why Brian didn't catch that
[00:44] <nixternal> mhb: can I ssh into the web svr to edit some css?
[00:45] <DaSkreech> What happens when the adept upgrade manager cannot be verified
[00:45] <DaSkreech> What failed?
[00:45] <nixternal> mhb: what do you think about having just the front page show info about Kubuntu, and then in the right sidebar, add a news block that will read the /news page?
[00:46] <yuriy> ooh a new website?
[00:48] <gnomefreak> DaSkreech: upgrade to hardy?
[00:48] <DaSkreech> gnomefreak: Sorry? No to Gutsy
[00:48] <jjesse> is that even possible/
[00:48] <jjesse> upgrading to hardy
[00:48] <gnomefreak> DaSkreech: ah not sure try restarting it
[00:48] <DaSkreech> hobbsee is on hardy
[00:49] <gnomefreak> jjesse: yes
[00:49] <DaSkreech> gnomefreak: KK
[00:49] <gnomefreak> jjesse: ill advised
[00:49] <jjesse> thought hobsse was running ubuntu
[00:49]  * gnomefreak been on hardy since 1 day after repos opened
[00:49] <gnomefreak> its no fun well a little bit
[00:50] <DaSkreech> jjesse: You say that like ubuntu cannot be hardy :)
[00:50] <DaSkreech> gnomefreak: Wait 4 weeks
[00:50] <DaSkreech>  more updates than you can shake a joystick at
[00:50] <gnomefreak> DaSkreech: why X is already broke
[00:50] <DaSkreech> or a pointy stick in some people's case
[00:50] <gnomefreak> but i hear mike fixed it in apt
[00:50] <gnomefreak> to hold back even on dist-upgrade (after i break mine
[00:51] <jjesse> instead of kubuntu is what i ment
[00:52] <DaSkreech> Yeah she is
[00:56] <nixternal> The board had voted some time ago to buy the land, but was waiting for KDE’s approval before making the actual purchase.
[00:56] <nixternal> :)
[00:56] <mhb> nixternal: why not
[00:56] <nixternal> why not to which one?
[00:56] <mhb> nixternal: yes, you should be able to ssh into it and work on it ...
[00:56] <mhb> nixternal: if you can create a "sofisticated" news block, let's have it!
[00:56] <nixternal> we need a module called "views"...it is way better than the stock taxonomy module with drupal
[00:56] <mhb> sophisticated, sorry
[00:56] <nixternal> mhb: cool, I have created a million of them :)
[00:57] <nixternal> actually, views does all the work for me, I just need to tweak the CSS to get them right, which is easy
[00:57] <mhb> do you have account on the site5?
[00:57] <nixternal> yes
[00:57] <nixternal> but I changed my password and ditched the notice :)
[00:58] <jjesse> updating entities for kubuntu docs, what any idea what kernel is hardy?
[00:58] <nixternal> jjesse: not yet on the kernel...I changed most of the ents last week
[00:58] <jjesse> hmm oh ok
[00:59] <nixternal> probably 2.6.23
[00:59] <mhb> nixternal: I'm going to sleep now, if you have any trouble, either wait for me or ask ryanakca, he also should fix whatever is needed
[00:59] <mhb> he's got (working) access to it, too
[00:59] <nixternal> OK, my password doesn't work ont he server, so I can change css
[00:59] <jjesse> thought i had kubuntu-hardy all merged so i was curious
[00:59] <nixternal> s/can/can't
[00:59] <mhb> hmm, lemme fix
[01:00] <nixternal> set it to changeme or something silly
[01:00]  * ryanakca waves to nixternal
[01:00] <nixternal> you could just grab my publich ssh key from lp, that would make it easy
[01:00]  * nixternal waves back
[01:00] <nixternal> I am going to go watch chuck
[01:00]  * jjesse writes down nixternal's password as changeme
[01:00] <nixternal> man, Poundcake just came on CaboWaboRadio
[01:01]  * ryanakca points to the TODO file in the branch
[01:01] <ryanakca> wadda?
[01:01] <ryanakca> CaboWaboRadio? how do you get that from Poundcake?
[01:01] <nixternal> cabowaboradio.com for the baddest music in the world
[01:01] <ryanakca> Ah
[01:01] <mhb> nixternal: somethingsilly it is
[01:01] <jjesse> badest = good?
[01:01] <nixternal> cabowaboradio == sammy hagar's online radio station
[01:01]  * ryanakca likes BBC Radio 2 :D
[01:02] <nixternal> mhb: thanks, I am in and changed it
[01:02] <nixternal> ok...back in a few..time for a quick tv show
[01:02] <ryanakca> see you :)
[01:09] <DaSkreech> nixternal: saw boud's blog? Popup priter manangement would be cool :)
[01:11] <Riddell> it's planned for hardy
[01:12] <DaSkreech> I plugged my friends camera in and it popped up Digikam
[01:12] <DaSkreech> well the new hardware thing and had digikam highlighted
[01:13] <Riddell> yes, not sure how he missed that
[01:13] <Riddell> and yay, suse not doing work upstream
[01:13] <DaSkreech> I haven't had a printer in oodles of time
[01:33] <jjesse> man i'm tired today
[01:33] <jjesse> morning Jucato... hope the cold boot is quick today
[01:34] <Jucato> good evening jjesse! :)
[01:34] <Jucato> nah I woke up 2 hours ago. well booted now :)
[01:34] <jjesse> :)
[01:34] <Jucato> (doesn't mean I'm sane though...)
[01:34] <jjesse> hows the adept documetnation review going
[01:34] <Jucato> you're leaving for .au this weekend?
[01:34] <jjesse> wednesday
[01:34] <Jucato> oooh tomorrow... (here)
[01:35] <jjesse> wow yeah still haven't packed
[01:35] <Jucato> uh oh :)
[01:35] <Jucato> why not let the missus pack for you? :P
[01:35] <jjesse> that will be tomorrow night
[01:36] <Jucato> jjesse: http://jucato.org/kde/adeptguide.diff
[01:37] <Jucato> as for content... well that's coming soon :P
[01:37] <jjesse> ooo i like content
[01:37] <DaSkreech> nixternal: What were you saying about canllaith ?
[01:38] <Jucato> score card: -3 and +1 kde devs :)
[01:38] <Jucato> I'm not used to reading in docbook so it takes a while :P
[01:39] <jjesse> np
[01:39] <jjesse> -3 to me?
[01:39] <Jucato> nah. -3 kde devs...
[01:40] <Jucato> 3 devs that have left or considered leaving their kubu systems :)
[01:40] <Jucato> jjesse: this adept guide covers adept manager only, doesn't it?
[01:40] <jjesse> Jucato: there should be one for adept manager, adept updater
[01:41]  * jjesse hopes his battery lasts a long time on the flight so i can work on the training guide an other documentation
[01:42] <Jucato> jjesse: ah separate ones per app... ok...
[01:43] <jjesse> Jucato: yeah
[01:46]  * jjesse afk
[01:46] <Jucato> !away | jjesse
[01:46] <ubotu> jjesse: You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair on new users. The same goes for using noisy away messages : use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently - See also !Guidelines
[01:46] <Jucato> lol sorry! just couldn't resist :D
[01:47] <DaSkreech> Jucato: What did you do?
[01:47] <Jucato> ^^^^^
[01:47] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Wow problems just cropped in in #kubunut since you logged in.
[01:47] <DaSkreech> bah
[01:47] <DaSkreech> #kubuntu
[01:48] <Jucato> shall I log out?
[01:48] <DaSkreech> Ha ha :)
[01:48] <yuriy> irc lines wasted by jjesse: 1.  By Jucato: 7
[01:48] <DaSkreech> No I'd prefer you with problems than games without
[01:48] <Jucato> hehe :)
[02:18] <nixternal> ryanakca: I will work on some of the TODO things now
[02:18] <ryanakca> nixternal: thanks :)
[02:18] <Jucato> nixternal!!!!!!!!
[02:18] <ryanakca> if you have any questions, poke me :)
[02:19] <nixternal> wasabi Jucato
[02:20] <nixternal> cd 56
[02:21] <Jucato> cd ..
[02:21] <Jucato> cd /
[02:21] <Jucato> I'm in your root!
[02:21] <nixternal> heh, I meant /window :)
[02:22] <Jucato> hahah
[02:23] <nixternal> bah, I can't make edits to the damn css on the server
[02:23] <nixternal> and of course it isn't in english, but I understood the RED warning :)
[02:23] <nixternal> ahh, because ryanakca has all of the power on those files
[02:24] <nixternal> ryanakca: can you chmod the files in the themes dir on the server so people in the themers group can have write access
[02:24] <ryanakca> yep
[02:25] <nixternal> wow, I have never messed with editing a website on a connection so sloooooooow before :)
[02:26] <nixternal> thanks
[02:26] <ryanakca> Happy?
[02:26] <ryanakca> hehe, that's why I edit locally and then rsync ;)
[02:34] <nixternal> image centered
[02:36] <nixternal> ryanakca: can you add modules or no?
[02:37] <ryanakca> I don't think I can
[02:37] <ryanakca> or wait... yes.
[02:38] <nixternal> bah, I didn't fix the image...stupid absolute positioning
[02:38] <ryanakca> Since I have admin privileges... where is it?
[02:38] <ryanakca> hehe...
[02:38] <ryanakca> ies4linux is your friend, btw
[02:39] <ryanakca> http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Main_Page
[02:39] <nixternal> ya right, I would never install that on my box
[02:40] <nixternal> I know people with IE6, they can test it for me
[02:40] <ryanakca> hehe, if you wish :)
[02:40]  * ryanakca yawns
[02:40] <ryanakca> don't you have admin privileges to drupal?
[02:45] <nixternal> ya
[02:45] <nixternal> but not to add a module
[02:45] <Jucato> you would never install ies4linux... but would be ok with vista? :)
[02:45] <nixternal> I don't know if I am 100% sold on this theme
[02:45] <nixternal> Jucato: I would rather have virus laden software stuck in one location, and one location only
[02:46] <Jucato> hehe :)
[02:46] <Jucato> hm.. you can get virus from ies4linux?
[02:46] <nixternal> but it isn't going to go on my linux box
[02:47] <Jucato> :)
[02:57] <jjesse> back
[03:11] <ryanakca> nixternal: drupal theme?
[03:13]  * ryanakca => bed
[03:13] <Jucato> k'night ryanakca!
[03:14] <ryanakca> :)
[03:14] <jjesse> nixternal: i ran ies4linux on my laptop to access work stuff and it worked fine
[03:28] <coreymon77> ???
[03:28] <coreymon77> how can that happen
[03:28] <coreymon77> viruses wont work in lin
[03:29] <jjesse> dang it
[03:29] <jjesse> Jucato:  can you email me the link for the adept diff?
[03:29] <yuriy> and coreymon77 drops off mid-word as the virus takes him down
[03:29] <coreymon77> im on a mac
[03:29] <coreymon77> yuriy: i was short forming too
[03:29] <DaSkreech> cultured virus!
[03:29] <Jucato> jjesse: jjesse AT ubuntu DOT com
[03:30] <jjesse> ah so you ahve that finder bug that is loosing data
[03:30] <jjesse> Jucato:  yes isr
[03:30] <jjesse> sir
[03:30] <jjesse> or the trojan that you can download
[03:30] <Jucato> jjesse: why not just e-mail the diff to you, rather than just the link? :P
[03:31] <Jucato> jjesse: sent!. now for lunch
[03:37] <nixternal> ryanakca: check out the page if you are still up
[03:48] <seele> whoooo go steelers!
[03:48] <imbrandon> Riddell, do we build playground/bindings/phpqt in kubuntu ?
[03:48] <imbrandon> heya seele
[03:48] <seele> hmm.. perhaps i should cheer in a local channel :P
[03:48] <seele> hallo kansas
[03:48] <imbrandon> :)
[03:49] <seele> (came home after half time. drank a bith muchH)
[03:49] <imbrandon> hehe been there
[03:49] <seele> mispells.. time to go offline befor i embarass myself
[03:49] <imbrandon> gnight :)
[03:49] <seele> a bit late for riddell to be on, no?
[03:50] <imbrandon> it is , i normaly just wait N hours for a response
[03:50] <imbrandon> :)
[03:50] <seele> ah hah
[03:50] <imbrandon> he is good about check hilights ( watch this time he wont heheh )
[03:50] <imbrandon> checking*
[03:51] <DaSkreech> nixternal: What about canllaith?
[03:51] <DaSkreech> seele: what went down?
[03:52] <seele> DaSkreech: it was35 nothing before baltimore got their act together and made a touchdown
[03:52] <seele> 5 tunovers in the first half, 4 lost to pittsburgh
[03:52] <DaSkreech> nice
[03:52] <seele> yah
[03:53] <seele> <-- from pittsburgh
[03:53] <seele> WHOO GO STEELERS
[03:53]  * seele coughs
[03:53] <seele> liek i said.. time for beds
[03:53]  * DaSkreech carries seele off
[04:01] <Riddell> imbrandon: there's php qt?!
[04:01] <jjesse> so jono gave me a book on python so watch out :)
[04:01] <imbrandon> Riddell, yea, heheh  i love it
[04:02] <imbrandon> Riddell, i guess since none else love php as much as me though i'll package it hehe
[04:02] <imbrandon> its only php65 and only qt4
[04:02] <imbrandon> s/65/5/g
[04:02] <imbrandon> but thats ok
[04:03] <imbrandon> i'm doing a svn checkout now
[04:07] <imbrandon> Riddell, uses smoke and kalyptus
[04:07] <imbrandon> so should stay updated easy
[05:27] <nixternal> ryanakca and mhb: quite a few changes to the site layout now - I am not 100% sold on the design at this time though
[05:49]  * Jucato sings nixternal a lullaby...
[05:49] <nixternal> I need one
[05:49]  * nixternal checks to see how emtpy the bank account is
[05:49] <nixternal> yup, its empty
[05:49] <Jucato> eek!
[05:49] <Jucato> :(
[05:49] <nixternal> but when I wake up, it will be full again :)
[05:50] <Jucato> and I was going to ask you to buy me a n810 for christmas...
[05:50] <Jucato> aaah hehehe
[05:50] <Jucato> good :)
[05:50] <nixternal> ya right...I would buy me one first :)
[05:50] <Jucato> :D
[05:50] <nixternal> how much are them things anyways?
[05:50] <Jucato> they're not yet released.... but I believe the target was $479?
[05:50]  * Jucato is about 1/4 way there already
[05:50] <nixternal> jesus, you can get a laptop for that price
[05:51] <Jucato> you can't carry the laptop around like that, or have a touchscreen :)
[05:51] <nixternal> I would rather build another box or get a new laptop than that thing
[05:51] <Jucato> Eee PC?
[05:51] <Jucato> that's my other option
[05:51] <nixternal> plus, if I got it, I would be the only one around here with one...I have yet to even see one up close and personal
[05:51] <Jucato> I'm completely torn :)
[05:52] <nixternal> I would wait until the Eee PC gets something other than 640x480 and a 5 year old KDE
[05:52] <Jucato> 5 year old KDE?
[05:52] <nixternal> ya, they are using a very early 3.x I believe
[05:52] <nixternal> I just read it on planet kde I thought
[05:52] <Jucato> 3.5.x afaik
[05:53] <nixternal> ya, that is for the wimpy version, there is an advanced function on the Eee PC
[05:53] <n8k99> fujitsu u810 has 1040X600 screen
[05:53] <Jucato> how can the hell can fit 2 KDE versions? O.o
[05:54] <Jucato> n8k99: how much? how light?
[05:54] <n8k99> 1.5 lbs
[05:55] <Jucato> hm...
[05:55] <n8k99> its about the size of a paperback novel
[05:55] <Jucato> how much?
[05:55] <n8k99> $999
[05:55] <nixternal> $400 for the N800...ridiculous
[05:55] <Jucato> wow!!!
[05:55] <Jucato> nixternal: n810
[05:55] <Jucato> ah ok
[05:55] <Jucato> nvm lol
[05:56] <nixternal> what is the purpose of it anyways? is it a phone?
[05:56] <Jucato> nope
[05:56] <Jucato> internet tablet
[05:56] <n8k99> fujitsu u810 is a notebook
[05:56] <nixternal> ahh, ya I don't need that
[05:56] <nixternal> I am going to wait for a Google phone now
[05:56] <Jucato> almost like a UMPC... but more on the mobile side :)
[05:56] <nixternal> which hopefully won't be another year waiting for a FOSS phone
[05:56]  * Jucato is probably going to remove Xandros from the Eee PC if he ever gets one..
[05:57] <Jucato> Neo1973/OpenMoko? :D
[05:57] <nixternal> I wouldn't buy an FIC anything, even if you gave me the money for it
[05:57] <nixternal> plus, has openMoko even hit a milestone yet?
[05:58] <Jucato> dunno :)
[05:58]  * n8k99 saw nixternal raving about that earlier
[05:58]  * Jucato is more interested in Qtopia on those devices...
[05:58] <nixternal> ya, I thought I did, couldn't remember though
[05:58] <nixternal> Greenphone!
[05:58] <n8k99> =p
[05:58] <Jucato> huh? you haven't heard yet?
[05:58] <nixternal> I know someone here ordered something, but I haven't seen it yet
[05:58] <Jucato> greenphone's R.I.P.
[05:59] <nixternal> didn't know that, but then again, if the phone isn't less than $20, I don't really care much :)
[05:59] <nixternal> all a phone needs to do for me is make and receive calls
[05:59] <Jucato> hahah
[05:59] <n8k99> i thinl i saw that troltech is more interested in putting it on the NEC
[05:59] <nixternal> all of that other stuff is unneccessary
[05:59] <Jucato> they discontinued it and will now focus on supporting Qtopia on other devices
[05:59] <nixternal> like Familiar? or Opie?
[05:59] <n8k99> nixternal: virgin prepaid phones cost $20
[06:00] <nixternal> aren't those Qtopia/KDE like things
[06:00] <nixternal> my cheap phone was FREE
[06:00] <n8k99> nice!
[06:00] <Jucato> Opie is/was a fork of Qtopia. intended to be free before Qtopia was released as GPL
[06:00] <Jucato> afaik
[06:00] <nixternal> oh, I played with Opie on a Zaurus, sweet stuff
[06:01] <nixternal> anywho, I am going to crash...I am dead
[06:01] <nixternal> k'nite :)
[06:01] <Jucato> k'night nixternal!
[06:01] <Jucato> but a kde4 beta4 package question
[06:01] <Jucato> in #kubuntu :P
[06:07] <Serega> Mornin' guys!
[07:56]  * Serega dances
[07:58]  * Serega sings funny songs
[11:22] <mhb> nixternal: explain "sold on the design" - does it mean "I don't like what you did there" or "I don't like what you did there and I am willing to provide the resources to fix that" or something else?
[11:23] <mhb> nixternal: it looks kind of dull now that all the images are gone and there's a lot of text
[11:24] <mhb> I'm definitely not sold on *tha* :o)
[11:24] <mhb> err *that*
[11:28] <mhb> ^^ RFC from ryanakca , too
[11:54] <Hobbsee> hm.  just checking, but kioslaves wont work with firefox or something will they?
[11:54] <Hobbsee> you'd need dolphin or konq?
[11:59]  * Hobbsee pokes mhb
[11:59]  * Hobbsee reads another kubuntu report
[12:00] <ryanakca> nixternal: mhb: Riddell quite liked it the way it was... definitely needs more images
[12:00]  * ryanakca shrugs
[12:05] <Hobbsee> yay, dolphin works on gnome!
[12:08]  * Hobbsee has webdavs access again!
[12:22] <ryanakca> mhb: Eh, you three (you, nixternal & jr) can figure out what you want the page to look like while I'm away today... I'm obviously hoping that we'll keep it as I made it, but, I'm one voice amongst four :)
[12:25] <mhb> ryanakca: there are some rought edges, but I still like the concept
[12:26] <mhb> ryanakca: (the bottom line looks kind of fuzzy, maybe we take too much vertical space for the logo and download link...)
[12:26] <ryanakca> mhb: add it to the TODO as well :)
[12:26]  * ryanakca => school, see you :)
[12:26] <Jucato> bye school!
[12:26] <Jucato> er bye ryanakca!
[12:26] <Jucato> :)
[12:34] <nosrednaekim> is this Troy Unrau? http://troy-at-kde.livejournal.com/10632.html
[12:34] <nosrednaekim> oh yeah... it is..
[12:35] <nosrednaekim> kinda sad that he got messed over by XGL that way..
[12:35] <Jucato> yeah...sad...
[12:37] <nosrednaekim> i'm going to have to try sidux though :D
[12:40] <nosrednaekim> there are always the good reviews though :)
[12:40] <nosrednaekim> http://canllaith.org/?page_id=48
[13:15] <Jucato> "But lately Kubuntu development seems to be made by amateurs and too many things aren't working." <--- OUCH
[13:22] <Hobbsee> Jucato: where's that?
[13:23] <Jucato> one of the  comments from troy's blog
[13:24] <Hobbsee> ah
[13:26] <Hobbsee> well, he does have a vague point
[13:27] <Hobbsee> how many incarnations of the nspluginviewer stuff did we have, again?
[13:27] <Hobbsee> the stuff that created /home in the ~'s
[13:27] <Jucato> :)
[13:49] <nixternal> mhb and ryanakca: well the text that was there originally didn't look good...don't know what it is lacking just yet....I am 95% sold on it, but that 5%...don't know what it is
[13:55] <Jucato> nixternal: your 3-way conversation just earned the three of you a pokemon character :)
[13:55] <nixternal> heh
[13:56] <nixternal> I just got the warning to "dist-upgrade to gutsy"
[13:56] <nixternal> funny, I have been running gutsy since like may
[13:56] <Jucato> http://www.happychild.org.uk/Webimage/exeggutor.jpg
[13:56] <Jucato> it's a known adept bug :)
[13:57] <nixternal> I have no idea what you just showed me
[13:57] <Jucato> the pokemon I just thought about :P
[13:57] <nixternal> ahhh
[13:57] <Jucato> you can pick a face among yourselves :P
[13:57] <nixternal> hahaha
[13:57] <nixternal> gee, thanks
[13:57] <Jucato> one for you, one for mhb, one for ryanakca :D
[14:04]  * Jucato actually had to google that image for a few minutes...
[14:20] <rage0ff> whých ýs the ubuntu removed/deleleted/unýnstall ! help me
[14:23] <manchicken> nixternal: So is kde4b4 ready? :P
[15:00] <bddebian> Heya
[16:01] <tekteen> anyone here know what packages I can take off of the alt install cd? I need to make room.
[16:18] <mhb> nixternal: hmm, well that one was more like a proof of concept, what I think is that loads of text never convinced anyone, they simply "aren't cool" now
[16:19] <mhb> nixternal: all that text might be useful for someone, and we should have it on the website in some form, either on a separate site or summed together in a few sentences.
[16:20] <mhb> "cool" sites have a large photo with some fancy text on them on the top site ... kind of like the news of the day
[16:21] <mhb> which was what I did, but spent very little time on it and I'm no graphic artist
[16:21] <mhb> nixternal: think http://www.redhat.com/
[16:22] <yuriy> how about think www.ubuntu.com? shouldn't this basically be a kubuntu themed version of that?
[16:23] <mhb> perhaps in mind of others, but I really reject the concept "Kubuntu is (just) Ubuntu with KDE"
[16:23] <nixternal> mhb: that is exactly the idea I was looking for :)
[16:24] <mhb> yuriy: we will have a similar look, but not indentical
[16:24] <mhb> hehe, indentical :o)
[16:24] <nixternal> all we need is kwwii to make us a bunch of graphics (professional looking), and then I can create a javascript that will rotate the images either on time, refresh, or have it set up so we can configure how we want rotation and what not
[16:26] <mhb> we should rotate it if we have some news to fit
[16:27] <mhb> also, we can borrow from all kinds of CreativeCommons-licensed graphics
[16:29] <Jucato> good luck with the site, you exeggutor :)
[16:31] <Serega> is it all about kubuntu.org?
[16:32] <mhb> Serega: yes, about how it will look like in the future
[16:33] <Serega> I think we should post more news on start page
[16:34] <Serega> for exmple: Kaffeine codecs autoinstallation was implemented! =)
[16:34] <Riddell> Serega: ooh?
[16:34] <mhb> don't tease us
[16:35] <Serega> Riddell: Hi, John, I figured out what to do!
[16:35] <Riddell> no silent h!
[16:35] <Serega> mhb: sorry, that wasn't teasing
[16:36] <Serega> Riddell: "no silent h"?
[16:36] <Serega> Riddell: what does this mean?
[16:36] <Riddell> Serega: Jon not John
[16:36] <Serega> OOH
[16:36] <Riddell> adding silent h's to names is a curiosity of the English for the most part
[16:36] <Serega> Riddell: sorry
[16:37] <Serega> Riddell: so, just Jon or full Jonathan is better?
[16:37] <Lure> Serega: just Riddell is fine ;-)
[16:38] <Serega> :)
[16:38]  * Serega is shutting up
[16:38] <Riddell> don't shut up, tell us about this exciting Kaffeine news!
[16:38] <Serega> ok)
[16:38] <Riddell> what's working?
[16:38] <Serega> I figured out how to detect unability to play videos
[16:39] <Serega> I need some time to implement right behaviour in that case
[16:39] <yuriy> Serega: have you seen "everything is illuminated"? Жонфен!
[16:39] <Serega> yuriy: no :)
[16:40] <Serega> yuriy: movie?
[16:40] <yuriy> yeah
[16:40] <Serega> yuriy: tell me the russian title
[16:40] <yuriy> Serega: it's an american movie, about an american guy named jonathan who goes to ukraine
[16:41] <Serega> I'll try find
[16:43]  * Serega is sad
[16:46] <Riddell> Serega: why sad?
[16:47]  * mhb would be really down if he were sad from all the negative articles about Kubuntu he read this last few weeks
[16:48] <mhb> everyone keeps saying "OpenSUSE beats Kubuntu, PCLinuxOS beats Kubuntu..." this and that
[16:48] <Serega> why Kyiv(Ukraine) is GMT+3 in ubuntu? It always was (and still) GMT+2
[16:49] <Serega> Riddell: my official job eats all my time :(
[16:50] <Serega> Riddell: I have only 2-3 hours per day for heart-sake development
[16:51] <Serega> mhb: I don't see any articles against kubuntu
[16:53] <seele> Serega: http://troy-at-kde.livejournal.com/10632.html
[16:53] <Hobbsee> Serega: see planet kde
[16:54] <Riddell> mostly they're not against kubuntu specifically but about hardware support and that
[16:54] <Riddell> but yes, it's a bit disheartening
[16:55]  * Hobbsee thinsk the other thing is disheartening, instead.
[16:55] <mhb> http://www.valdyas.org/fading/index.cgi/2007/11/05#opensuse103
[16:55] <mhb> that was just 2 planetkde.org devs moving from Kubuntu to other distros
[16:56] <mhb> and it's like this among users, too. :o(
[16:56] <Serega> :(
[16:57] <Captain_Redbeard> hey guys... do you need a hand with KDE4 Beta4 packages? I'm building them for x64 as we speak... if they are to any use just let me know :P
[16:57] <Serega> lets look philosophically at this, every distribution has sector of critics
[16:58] <mhb> right, and developers are usually unforgiving, but you know how "Avalanche effect" works
[16:58] <mhb> two KDE developers write about moving away from Kubuntu and 100 users will think about it
[17:00]  * Hobbsee would have thought the X current kubuntu developers not using kubuntu was a more worrying statistic.
[17:00] <Serega> mhb: maybe we sould leave for a time shining new ubuntu features and concentrate on polishing current system?
[17:01] <mhb> Hobbsee: right, I thought about that too
[17:01] <Serega> mhb: it is impossible to keep this race with so different forces
[17:02] <Serega> mhb: and I can write a blog message "I moving from Mandriva to Kubuntu"! :)
[17:02] <mhb> Serega: hehe, you don't have to :o) I think we should somehow learn from our mistakes, that's what I'm trying to say
[17:03] <mhb> Riddell: I hope you're not sad about it, tro's  blog post seems to be a bit personal
[17:04] <Serega> mhb: easy things like KDE panel configuration can make a bad impression about distro during first 5 minutes of use
[17:04] <Serega> Riddell: it is really very personal
[17:05] <Serega> Riddell: btw, troy didn't wrote any issues he dislike in kubuntu, he just do not explain his point
[17:07] <Riddell> Hobbsee: that is too
[17:08] <Riddell> Serega: yes that's annoying, also that he didn't tell me any of the issues when he came to our conference last week
[17:09] <Serega> Riddell: so, just ignore :) let's keep working!
[17:10] <Riddell> yeah!  we rock!
[17:10] <Serega> =)
[17:13] <mhb> Riddell: correction, *you* rock!
[17:14] <Riddell> group hug!
[17:15]  * mhb hugs Riddell
[17:15]  * Hobbsee hugs Riddell and mh
[17:15]  * Hobbsee hugs Riddell and mhb
[17:18] <mhb> I think the key to a large portion of the user base might be a good KDE4
[17:18] <mhb> we are one of the last distros that doesn't provide a KDE4 CD yet
[17:18] <mhb> and of course, we need all our specific apps KDE4-ready
[17:19] <jjesse> afternoon
[17:19] <mhb> hi jjesse
[17:27] <mhb> Riddell: what did you decidew.r.t. PackageKit?
[17:27] <mhb> Riddell: are we going to move to it soon?
[17:28] <Riddell> mhb: it's a hardy+1 issue but if an apt backend appears which works I'll look into making KDE frontends
[17:30] <mhb> hmm, call one: could everyone find the time on Friday 16th for a meeting?
[17:31] <Hobbsee> no
[17:31] <mhb> :o(
[17:31] <Hobbsee> definetly not - i have 2 exams in that block of time
[17:31] <mhb> Hobbsee: can you get to a meeting in any day in the next 14 days?
[17:32] <Hobbsee> yeah.  18th or so, or a couple of days after
[17:32]  * Hobbsee has an exam on the 16th, and 17th
[17:33] <mhb> nixternal: when would be the best day for you after 17th?
[17:33] <Hobbsee> and i think the other is on the 26th
[17:41] <mhb> Riddell: will you be working on the KDE4 Live CD? Or someone else?
[17:43] <Riddell> mhb: I will, but of course it needs up to date packages first
[17:44] <Riddell> which means merging with debian
[17:44] <mhb> is there a python-kde4 package in Kubuntu yet?
[17:45] <Riddell> no, kdebindings isn't packaged, Sime said the latest beta release isn't a good snapshot for it
[17:45] <Riddell> if you're interested you can ask him when a better snapshot to take would be
[17:51] <nixternal> I am heading home now...bbiab
[17:51] <mhb> nixternal: see yah
[17:51] <Serega> nixternal: great picture!!!
[17:51] <Serega> nixternal: see ya
[17:52] <Riddell> bling bling
[17:52] <Serega> nixternal: cool news on the side :))))
[17:57]  * Serega bows "See you later, guys!"
[18:18]  * Lure is using kde4 now as his desktop
[18:19] <mhb> Lure: on Kubuntu?
[18:20] <nosrednaekim> Lure: as soon as they release beta 4 i'm going kde4 as well
[18:20] <Lure> mhb: yep, gutsy with kde4 from svn (I recompile daily)
[18:21] <Lure> mhb: I just start kde3 apps for mission critical stuff (kontact and konversation)(
[18:21] <mhb> nosrednaekim: they have released it AFAIK, it's just us not having it yet
[18:21] <mhb> Lure: did you move on with that kmilo bug?
[18:21] <nosrednaekim> yeah... well I mean packages
[18:21] <Lure> mhb: when they fix panel, it will be great for wider testing
[18:21] <mhb> Lure: do they even have a kmilo in KDE4?
[18:21] <Lure> mhb: not really - no idea and no HW to play with
[18:22] <Lure> mhb: I am just checking what the plans are in regards to laptop support
[18:22] <Lure> mhb: I will rather work on kde4 upstream than wait for kde4 final
[18:22] <Lure> mhb: will be easier to include in kubuntu
[18:22] <mhb> Lure: good decision
[18:23] <mhb> Lure: as long as you don't change distros the minute we turn away :o) Hehe, just joking, scroll up if you want to know what I'm referring to.
[18:26] <Lure> mhb: I joined half hour ago, so I do not know what you are talking about
[18:27] <mhb> Lure: there were several blogs of upstream people migrating away from Kubuntu in the last few days
[18:27] <mhb> KDE people
[18:27] <nosrednaekim> troy Unrau for example :(
[18:28] <Lure> mhb: have seen that
[18:29] <Lure> mhb: people come and people go
[18:29] <Lure> you should use the tool that works for you
[18:30] <mhb> Lure: right, but we're here to make Kubuntu work for them
[18:30] <mhb> so it kind of reflects what we are doing right/wrong
[18:30] <Lure> mhb: sure, and that is why I like that they make their frustrations public (even though Troy's problems really sound strange)
[18:31] <Lure> mhb: this should just push out to do better
[18:31] <Lure> sebas_: ping
[18:32] <Lure> mhb: kmilo is in kde4
[18:33] <Lure> mhb: with ugly windows... ;-)
[18:33] <ScorpKing> can someone explain to me how kde apps like konqueror work when using internet. if i have no eth* connection and only ppp0, why does it not use the gateway for ppp0?
[18:33]  * Sime is feeling confident. Time to give KDE4 another spin.
[18:33] <Lure> Sime: spin for python-kde4?
[18:33] <mhb> ^^ we all wait for that :o)
[18:33] <Sime> kde4 in general.
[18:34] <Lure> ScorpKing: it might be that knetworkmanager claims you have no network, so konqueror does not work
[18:34] <ScorpKing> ah i see.
[18:34] <Lure> ScorpKing: try to exit knetworkmanager and see if it works then
[18:34] <ScorpKing> will do. one sec..
[18:34] <Lure> ScorpKing: or uninstall "networkstatus"
[18:37]  * Lure prepares dinner for kids, bbl
[18:38] <ScorpKing> ok, it seems to be working now. i removed knetworkmanager.
[18:38] <nosrednaekim> any of you kubuntu-needs-better-art checked out klikit?
[18:40] <ScorpKing> thanks for the help Lure. :D
[18:43] <nixternal> Riddell: is that the kind of look you are going for on the site?
[18:44] <nixternal> I had an idea while driving home that would mix the Kabel and Ubuntu Title fonts..use the Kabel font for the first letter for home | download | about | support and such, and then use the ubuntu title for the rest of the fonts in the word...gonna play around here in a bit
[18:48] <nixternal> just learned something new...when you import an image into inkscape, don't delete that image from teh directory :/
[18:55] <Riddell> nixternal: looks great to me
[18:56] <Riddell> nixternal: it needs a page for packages (for amarok, kde 4 etc)
[19:10] <DaSkreech> Does anyone have tearing in akregator?
[19:13] <seele> tearing?
[19:13] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[19:13] <DaSkreech>  started since Gutsy
[19:13] <DaSkreech>  I should catalogue all the fun stuff that started in Gutsyt
[19:13] <DaSkreech> I have the 3 pane view
[19:14] <DaSkreech> so when I press up and down it scroll the article I'm reading up and sown
[19:14] <DaSkreech> When it does that the feeds on the side start to try and follow it
[19:14] <DaSkreech> or more accurately the favicons do
[19:14] <DaSkreech> the feeds stay where they are
[19:15] <DaSkreech> so I get this movement of the favicons (at the edge of the feeds) moving up and down and when I stop they snap back to where they were leaving a trail behind them
[19:15] <seele> oh weird
[19:17] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[19:17] <DaSkreech> and Kopete won't stop asking me to make a new account
[19:19] <DaSkreech> seele: Still giddy over the win?
[19:21] <seele> DaSkreech: yeah.. i had a bit of a headache this morning :)
[20:14] <ryanakca> mhb: ping, sorry, my mom was throwing a fit saying that I'd miss the bus :)
[20:15] <ryanakca> nixternal: oooh, you made the bottom bar longer, looks good :)
[20:54] <nixternal> http://www.nixternal.com/tmp
[20:55] <nixternal> mhb, ryanakca, Riddell ^^ my plans are to have text popup with every image explaining a feature for each image
[20:55] <nixternal> for your server or desktop
[20:55] <nixternal> for your laptop
[20:55] <nixternal> synch your pda
[20:55] <nixternal> synch your music
[20:55] <nixternal> synch your phone
[20:55] <nixternal> use your digital camera
[20:55] <nixternal> like that, but not those exactly
[20:56] <nixternal> and then the last one to show when they are all showing would be "We have you covered", and that would show for a few seconds, and then start all over
[20:56] <nixternal> what do you think?
[20:57] <Riddell> nixternal: mind and ping kwwii when asking about artwork
[20:57] <Riddell> animation on a web page is dangerous though, it can easily look tacky
[20:58] <nixternal> of course
[20:58] <nixternal> ya, I think the same
[20:58] <nixternal> I have another idea, that uses that same idea though, just static
[21:04] <nixternal> Riddell: what if those images just loaded on time and that was it? you think that would be better, or get rid of it totally?
[21:07] <seele> nixternal: if you go with the animation, it needs to be faster
[21:07] <seele> people wont sit and watch it, their eyes will wonder to the rest of the page
[21:09] <nixternal> good point
[21:33] <ryanakca> nixternal: set it so that it changes on mouse over...
[21:33] <ryanakca> nixternal: you'd have to modify it so that people know it will change on mouseover... but :)
[21:34] <nixternal> mouseovers are so 1995
[21:37] <ryanakca> əh :)
[22:05] <nixternal> http://www.nixternal.com/tmp/  <-- update - faster movement & text to go with it...this is a mock-up now, so be nice :)
[22:11] <Riddell> nixternal: you ignoring slacky? :)
[22:11] <nixternal> no, why?
[22:11] <nixternal> d'oh...
[22:11]  * nixternal sees the highlight
[22:12] <nixternal> how many Italian Linux Days do they have? They keep this up, I am moving to Italy! :)
[22:13] <nixternal> oh man, that write is going to be a big one...I am getting ready to head out the door in a few, so I will attend to it this evening when I get back home
[22:22] <Riddell> nixternal: sure, whenever you feel like
[22:23] <Riddell> nixternal: just make sure it's KDE focused
[23:13] <seele> nixternal: now that there is text with it, its too fast to read! hehe
[23:41] <Riddell> nixternal: I merged your docs to the website, sorry for the delay
[23:41] <Riddell> nixternal: I've removed links to old versions other than dapper
[23:41] <Riddell> nixternal: how come there's no General Documentation for Gutsy?
[23:41] <Riddell> presumably because it's not on help.ubuntu.com?