[00:16] <ubotu> Flannel called the ops in #ubuntu (saltydav)
[00:34] <Pici> !test
[00:36] <nalioth> ruh roh, Pici.  you broke it
[00:36] <Tm_T> hey, it didnt fail?
[00:36] <nalioth> oh, it's failed
[00:36] <nalioth> sending ubot3 in
[00:36] <Pici> roger that
[00:39]  * Seeker` waves byebye to Ubotu
[00:41] <PriceChild> gah ubotu died...
[00:41] <Tm_T> Ubotwo: hello
[00:42] <LjL> ubotwo is muted
[00:42] <PriceChild> Tm_T, ubotu should rejoin etc. very soon
[00:42] <Tm_T> :)
[00:42] <Tm_T> 0236 <+nalioth> sending ubot3 in 0239 -!- ubot3 [n=ubot3@unaffiliated/nalioth/bot/ubot3] has quit
[00:43] <nalioth> wtf
[00:43] <PriceChild> I see ubotu_ rejoining.....
[00:43] <PriceChild> uncloaked etc.
[00:45] <Tm_T> LjL: ?
[00:48] <LjL> Tm_T: nevermind
[00:48] <Tm_T> I dont mind
[00:49] <Tm_T> I'm just humoured
[00:51] <Tm_T> ubotu is alive (or not)
[00:51] <LjL> yeah
[00:54] <Tm_T> sluggish and unresponsive
[00:54] <Tm_T> but definately alive
[00:54] <PriceChild> its still rejoining, let it sync
[00:55] <Tm_T> :)
[01:17] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: welcome back
[01:18] <gnomefreak> ty im about to leave again
[01:18] <gnomefreak> ;)
[01:18] <Tm_T> haha
[01:18] <Tm_T> jumpy!
[01:22] <Tm_T> Jucato: hide when you can
[01:22] <Jucato> huh?
[01:23] <Tm_T> joking =)
[01:24] <Tm_T> ummm
[01:24] <Tm_T> you broke it?
[01:38] <gnomefreak> bots down
[01:39] <PriceChild> !test
[01:39] <ubotu> Failed.
[01:39] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, ?
[01:39] <PriceChild> Hey beewoo 
[01:40] <beewoo> hello
[01:40] <gnomefreak> bot not working
[01:40] <gnomefreak> !es
[01:40] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[01:40] <gnomefreak> hmmmm
[01:40] <gnomefreak> ubotu not in #ubuntu?
[01:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about not in #ubuntu? - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:40] <LjL> whoops
[01:40] <LjL> my faultie
[01:40] <beewoo> anyone a staff memebr here?
[01:40] <LjL> i had made two mutes by mistake and removed only one =)
[01:40] <gnomefreak> ty
[01:40] <PriceChild> beewoo, how can I help? (freenode or ubuntu?)
[01:41] <gnomefreak> beewoo: did you try /stats p?
[01:41] <gnomefreak> there are none showing
[01:41] <beewoo> its a password question: i registered like 2 years ago and forgot my psw...and the email i registred with
[01:41] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: staff
[01:41] <gnomefreak> it was talked about in -women
[01:41] <beewoo> yes
[01:42] <gnomefreak> nalioth: rob or any other staffer handy? 
[01:42] <LjL> beewoo: try asking in #freenode
[01:42] <gnomefreak> oh yeah duh
[01:42] <nalioth> gnomefreak: yep
[01:42] <beewoo> ok
[01:42] <beewoo> thk!
[01:42] <gnomefreak> nalioth: beewoo needs staff
[01:42]  * gnomefreak forgot about #freenode and im in it :(
[01:43] <nalioth> beewoo: see PM
[01:53] <gnomefreak> keep your eye on i think he is a troll mesterharm 
[01:59] <gnomefreak> keep your eye on mesterharm, i think he is a troll (is what i meant
[01:59] <gnomefreak> )
[01:59] <Tm_T> =)
[02:07] <Tm_T> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2007-November/022155.html
[02:37] <BlaenkDenum> Basically I was wondering if the possibility of categorization had been thought of. I mean, #ubuntu is getting too big and it's hard to track conversations, yes, I know about mentioning the nick of the targetted person in the message, but the majority of the people go unheard.
[02:37] <nalioth> categorization?
[02:37] <BlaenkDenum> For example, if there are many questions about networking, we could make #ubuntu-net or something, just an idea.
[02:37] <Hobbsee> nalioth: from -devel
[02:37] <BlaenkDenum> nalioth: sorry, whatever that should be called
[02:38] <BlaenkDenum> Just an idea
[02:38] <BlaenkDenum> Just to ease the load
[02:39] <BlaenkDenum> more people would be helped better I figure
[02:39] <BlaenkDenum> I'm sure you guys would know more about that though
[02:40] <jrib> BlaenkDenum: hi, what idea?
[02:40] <PriceChild> jrib, he's stated it earlier ;)
[02:40] <nalioth> jrib: #ubuntu-hold-my-hand-on-resolution-problems
[02:40] <nalioth> jrib: #ubuntu-hold-my-hand-on-network-issues
[02:40] <jrib> oh
[02:40] <BlaenkDenum> Haha, well not that specific
[02:40] <nalioth> jrib: #ubuntu-hold-my-hand-on-my-dvds-wont-play
[02:40] <LjL> nalioth: #ubuntu-nalioth-gets-the-point-across-for-you
[02:41] <BlaenkDenum> Not complete categorization, but if, well you see how we made #ubuntu-effects, similar to that, maybe only if there's a need for it
[02:41] <jrib> BlaenkDenum: did you see what happened with -effects?
[02:41] <LjL> BlaenkDenum, #ubuntu-effects is gone now. it was more a patch than something we *really* wanted...
[02:41] <BlaenkDenum> oh
[02:42] <Madpilot>  #ubuntu-watch-nalioth-be-sarcastic-to-noobs
[02:42] <Madpilot> I'd hang out there just to watch the fun :)
[02:42] <BlaenkDenum> well yeah it redirects to compiz now, I still think it's a better way of helping people with compiz related problems
[02:42] <PriceChild> BlaenkDenum, so when someone joins ubuntu asking for networking help... instead of helping, you tell them to go somewhere else and wait there?
[02:43] <LjL> BlaenkDenum, as long as it's problems with the *official* compiz support in Ubuntu, we help in #ubuntu (and perhaps *suggest* also trying #compiz-fusion)
[02:43] <LjL> when you try to hack it in on your own even if it's not supported, then it's #compiz-fusion for you
[02:43] <BlaenkDenum> PriceChild: Heh, like I said I'm sure you guys know more about this, my main point is to ease the load off of #ubuntu
[02:43] <jrib> BlaenkDenum: I mean while the channel was still up.  Users would be sent there, ask their question, not get an immediate response because the helpers were split into another channel, and then return to #ubuntu and reask the question
[02:43] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: no, you tell them to RTFT, and make sure the topic is accurate
[02:43] <BlaenkDenum> jrib: I understand
[02:44] <BlaenkDenum> jrib: but it would become the norm, !networking for example would say to go to that channel, and like I mentioned earlier this would be with categories that get many questions, so that the channels usually have a good amount of people in them
[02:45] <BlaenkDenum> Like I said, you guys know more about this and I'm sure you know what would be best, I'm just wondering if anyone else thinks that #ubuntu has been getting hammered lately. 1200 people, various people asking many questions, often repeating them many times at various intervals to get a response
[02:45] <Madpilot> Hobbsee, Reading The Fine Topic (or Fine Anything, really) has never been popular... pity, that.
[02:45] <LjL> BlaenkDenum: main problem with that IMHO: we, the operators, are probably prepared to be in lots of channels instead of just one.   but, what about the "random guy" with some decent Ubuntu knowledge who walks in with questions, but who can also *answer* questions?
[02:45] <LjL> they're the driving force behind #ubuntu
[02:45] <Hobbsee> Madpilot: sure, but we could make ti so
[02:45] <jrib> BlaenkDenum: then you also need people that just redirect and new users would get confused by it imo.  I agree, it would be nice to find a solution to the size of #ubuntu, but I don't think splitting works out
[02:45] <LjL> it wouldn't be there if we were the only ones giving answers, BlaenkDenum
[02:46] <LjL> and if we divide the channel, those people simply won't be there
[02:46] <BlaenkDenum> yeah I understand that, I understand that some people don't even know how to join other channels
[02:46] <nalioth> BlaenkDenum: 1200 people is low.  You should have been around when there were almost 1600 in it
[02:46] <BlaenkDenum> well that was just one possible solution to the problem, but what I wanted to get across was the problem, maybe you guys can come up with a solution
[02:47] <LjL> BlaenkDenum: i'm talking more about people who *do*, but have no reason to. the people who actually help out of willingness to help, even though they originally joined just to ask a question.
[02:47] <Hobbsee> we know there's a problem :)
[02:47] <LjL> they'll have no incentive to join 10 channels
[02:47] <Hobbsee> it's just the fact that there appears to be no good solution that anyone's proposed yet
[02:47] <BlaenkDenum> for example sometimes only the general questions get answered, if someone asks something specific that the majority might not know about then the question gets ignored, then again I figure that's what the forums are for huh
[02:48] <LjL> and #ubuntu-meta :>
[02:48] <BlaenkDenum> LjL: yeah that's true
[02:48] <BlaenkDenum> wasn't there an application being built
[02:48] <BlaenkDenum> ubuntu support or something?
[02:49] <LjL> upstreamdev?
[02:49] <BlaenkDenum> Not sure, I remember it though, it interfaced with the IRC channels and all
[02:49] <BlaenkDenum> not just that though it offered more
[02:50] <LjL> BlaenkDenum: anyway #ubuntu-meta is my proposed solution to "only the general questions get answered", feel free to peek by - and play strictly by the rules if you do. i think it just needs momentum.
[02:50] <BlaenkDenum> If there was an application like that that came with Ubuntu, people would simply run it to get support, it could better list categories and stuff, but yeah that's the problem with categories that it separates people
[02:51] <BlaenkDenum> what if there was a way
[02:51] <LjL> i have no idea about such application, either it's upstreamdev, or i don't know
[02:51] <BlaenkDenum> So, imagine this
[02:52] <BlaenkDenum> Someone sees bob ask a question about networking, using the bot they somehow label it for networking, then it gets routed to a networking channel where people could answer it through the bot
[02:52] <BlaenkDenum> if that makes any sense...
[02:52] <LjL> err...
[02:52] <LjL> that's #ubuntu-meta.
[02:52] <BlaenkDenum> oh, I just saw the metabot info
[02:52] <BlaenkDenum> haha
[02:52] <BlaenkDenum> that's a cool idea
[02:52] <LjL> although you can't reply via the bot
[02:53] <LjL> at that point, you just join the channel =)
[02:53] <BlaenkDenum> if you could that would be great
[02:53] <BlaenkDenum> then the bot could say ubotu: LjL from #ubuntu-meta said "blah blah"
[02:53] <BlaenkDenum> oh, well yeah
[02:53] <LjL> well replying through a bot would make it slightly impersonal and unfunny, wouldn't it?
[02:53] <BlaenkDenum> Yeah, plus it might get abused
[02:54] <LjL> BlaenkDenum: the bot tries to mark questions automatically, but one definitely can manually label questions just as you said
[02:54] <BlaenkDenum> does the meta bot work by simply logging questions and if someone doesn't reply with the person who asked it's name then it's considered unanswered?
[02:54] <BlaenkDenum> LjL: oh relaly
[02:54] <BlaenkDenum> *really, how is that possible?
[02:54] <BlaenkDenum> I'll definitely help out with that idea, #ubuntu-meta
[02:54] <LjL> BlaenkDenum: yes, the problem is, "what is a question"? the bot tries to guess. and it also tries to guess the topic
[02:55] <LjL> it's possible thanks to bayesian filtering - it's not nearly as accurate as one would hope, though.
[02:55] <LjL> manual work is still required
[02:55] <BlaenkDenum> I see, how can one manually label things, I don't see anything in the wiki
[02:55] <LjL> the three questions you've seen by now, though, were all automatically classified
[02:55] <BlaenkDenum> I see
[02:55] <LjL> BlaenkDenum: join #metabot and read the topic
[02:56] <BlaenkDenum> did you write it?
[02:56] <LjL> yes
[02:56] <BlaenkDenum> great
[02:56] <BlaenkDenum> this is definitely interesting
[02:56] <Madpilot> LjL, can it lart people?
[02:56] <Tm_T> hey!
[02:57] <LjL> Madpilot: it can if i uncomment that part.
[02:57] <BlaenkDenum> LjL: do the uncategorized ones go to metabot, then from there you choose and then they're routed to ubuntu-meta ?
[02:57] <LjL> Madpilot: it wouldn't be very welcoming to people joining #metabot if i did, though.
[02:58] <LjL> BlaenkDenum: the uncategorized ones are discarded unless someone manually categorizes them
[02:58] <Tm_T> BlaenkDenum: also you can always point people to channels of their own language too
[02:58] <Tm_T> or country or region
[02:58] <BlaenkDenum> LjL: 'source will be available shortly', would love to help out
[02:58] <BlaenkDenum> Tm_T: Yeah I know.
[02:58] <Tm_T> BlaenkDenum: that does "ease the load" from #ubuntu too you know
[02:58] <LjL> BlaenkDenum: ah yeah my web host was down, i should just remember to upload it - and remove passwords from it :>
[02:58] <BlaenkDenum> See, I'm amazed by this LjL, I think it's a great idea and would love to help out. I'm sure many others would too, except they like me have never heard about this.
[02:59] <BlaenkDenum> LjL: You're not going to use something like launchpad?
[02:59] <BlaenkDenum> LjL: That would be great, or Google Code, you know what I mean, where you could file bugs and the like
[02:59] <LjL> BlaenkDenum, i'm not particularly fond of advertising it too much, or it would end up being abused. but when people come here like you and explain how #ubuntu seems to not be completely efficient...
[03:00] <LjL> BlaenkDenum, maybe. it's an ugly piece of messy code though, to be very honest.
[03:00] <BlaenkDenum> well apparently I've been the only one heh
[03:00] <BlaenkDenum> LjL: what language?
[03:00] <LjL> err... php.
[03:00] <BlaenkDenum> Heh, yeah I can't really help you in cleaning it up there
[03:00] <Tm_T> LjL: I can heat angels crying
[03:00] <LjL> Tm_T: they'll cry if you heat them, i bet
[03:00] <BlaenkDenum> I could write PHP but I don't specialize in it so obviously it's not the neatest/most efficient, but enough to get the point across
[03:01] <Tm_T> LjL: oh, that was it, thanks!
[03:01] <BlaenkDenum> LjL: if there's a need we could port it to a different language that would be more nice to write in, maybe python?
[03:01] <Tm_T> LjL: ;) s/heat/hear/
[03:01] <BlaenkDenum> I mean C I think would be overkill
[03:01] <LjL> BlaenkDenum, "nice" is subjective :P
[03:01] <LjL> i write C. it's totally not suited to the task.
[03:02] <BlaenkDenum> Yeah I figured
[03:02] <Tm_T> how about using c++/qt4 ?
[03:02] <LjL> anyway BlaenkDenum, it's not really a matter of language, as soon as it can deal with the IRC protocol... it's a matter of the mathematics behind it.
[03:02] <LjL> which i did *not* write.
[03:02] <LjL> !info ifile
[03:02] <ubotu> ifile: a text/e-mail/spam filter capable of learning. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.8-1 (gutsy), package size 49 kB, installed size 208 kB
[03:02] <LjL> someone else did.
[03:02] <LjL> Tm_T: with composite extensions?
[03:02] <Tm_T> LjL: ofcourse
[03:02] <BlaenkDenum> LjL: why not use a language that has an IRC protocol module/library
[03:02] <BlaenkDenum> LjL: that'll allow you to get straight to writing the bot
[03:02] <LjL> BlaenkDenum: php does.
[03:03] <BlaenkDenum> oh okay
[03:03] <LjL> i'm not using those, but it does ;)
[03:03] <LjL> anyway the problem's not the bot really, right now. the problem is having people actually use the channel.
[03:03] <BlaenkDenum> which is caused by you not wanting to advertise it, which in turn is because you're afraid of abuse
[03:04] <LjL> am i wrong being afraid?
[03:04] <BlaenkDenum> so instead think about how you could solve that problem, abuse, maybe make it so that there's no way to abuse it, I mean, the worst that can happen is categorizing under the wrong category right?
[03:04] <BlaenkDenum> of course not, but
[03:04] <BlaenkDenum> we could always have a few people over seeing the process
[03:04] <BlaenkDenum> one even, like you
[03:04] <BlaenkDenum> if someone's messing then you could take care of it easily, I honestly don't think that's the real problem
[03:05] <Tm_T> LjL: removing of all !botsnack and other "not important" factoids into consideration?
[03:05] <LjL> well... you can feel free to tell other people who you deem sane enough to join the channel - with the caveat that, as the topic&wiki says, bans will be handed out like free candy if the channel is misused.
[03:05] <LjL> Tm_T: you kidding?
[03:05] <Tm_T> LjL: not, as said, consideration, I'm not asking to do so
[03:06] <BlaenkDenum> I'll be glad to advertise it, I'd rather it was at a more developed stage though, I mean, get it to a point where you're happy
[03:06] <LjL> BlaenkDenum, yeah i could, and i do, yet even with supervision it can become hard to manage. see #ubuntu. not that there will ever be 1300 people in -meta... but still. really, the decision, not just mine, was just to not advertise the channel too much directly
[03:07] <LjL> BlaenkDenum, it will never be at a more developed stage if nobody's in there.
[03:07] <LjL> i can have fun relaying questions to myself, but the fun stops after a while
[03:07] <BlaenkDenum> well think about it, most of the people who would go to meta are people who are willing to help in the first place, I doubt you'll encounter much trouble
[03:07] <LjL> BlaenkDenum: unless some "smart" people think "hey, i can go to #ubuntu-meta where all the expert are, so they'll actually ANSWER my question! am i not smart?"
[03:08] <LjL> and i won't even know who to ban first ;)
[03:08] <BlaenkDenum> LjL: hahaha
[03:08] <Tm_T> LjL: me as always?
[03:09] <BlaenkDenum> LjL: a ban would be harsh, but kick them with a message of 'this is not a place to ask questions'
[03:09] <Tm_T> umm,
[03:09] <LjL> Tm_T: well yeah, when in doubt, i always ban some other guy, an op being usually preferred. while that's gratifying, it doesn't always work to get the point across
[03:09] <BlaenkDenum> LjL: I think if you were able to respond through the bot it'd be great, people in meta would be able to help more people faster
[03:09] <Tm_T>  +m anyone?
[03:09] <LjL> BlaenkDenum: no no, a ban it is. the topic states it. the entry message states it. the wiki states it. if you miss all of that, then bye
[03:10] <BlaenkDenum> well you yourself mention how people can be so noobish, I doubt most read the topics
[03:10] <BlaenkDenum> much less visit the wiki
[03:10] <BlaenkDenum> an entry message perhaps
[03:10] <LjL> Tm_T: nah. +m automatically means that non-helpers *will* join, but just won't be able to speak (BUT they will be able to bug people in PM, which we definitely DON'T want)
[03:10] <LjL> we just want non-helpers out
[03:11] <Tm_T> ah true
[03:11] <LjL> BlaenkDenum, people can be "noobish" in #ubuntu and get away with it, it's a support channel
[03:11] <LjL> if they act that way in #ubuntu-meta, then they have no reason to be there
[03:11] <LjL> and yes, there is an entry message. a /NOTICE
[03:11] <LjL> which is the only sort of entry message that freenode allows
[03:11] <BlaenkDenum> LjL: the person that would think 'maybe they can help me in meta' would be noobish in the first place
[03:12] <LjL> then out he goes
[03:12] <BlaenkDenum> but alright
[03:12] <LjL> he's in the wrong place
[03:12] <BlaenkDenum> you mean a ban from the channel
[03:12] <LjL> uh yeah sure
[03:12] <LjL> i definitely won't ban them from the planet :P
[03:12] <LjL> nor from #ubuntu
[03:12] <LjL> bans are usually channel-specific in our book (though there are exceptions)
[03:12] <BlaenkDenum> you have to think it through, I mean if it gets to the point where all the smart people go to meta so that they could help more people, then only the noobs will be left in #ubuntu and that'd pretty much defeat the purpose
[03:13] <LjL> BlaenkDenum: that's been one of the objections, but i don't really see it happening... besides, if people want to *answer* those questions, they still have to join #ubuntu
[03:13] <LjL> (another reason why the bot should definitely *not* relay *answers*)
[03:45] <Tm_T> hoochie!
[04:16] <kahrytan> hello
[04:16] <nalioth> hi
[04:17] <kahrytan> Were you active few days ago?
[04:19] <nalioth> i'm always active
[04:22] <kahrytan> What was that?
[04:22] <Hobbsee> netsplit, perhaps.
[04:22] <Hobbsee> although you showed a different quit mssage
[04:24] <kahrytan> oh. I quit but after i realized there was a response. and I totally forgot about that quit msg. 
[04:25] <kahrytan> im looking for the other person i mistreated here, Hobbsee 
[04:26] <elkbuntu> you mean me?
[04:26] <kahrytan> You were one?  I apologize for the blow up then
[04:27] <elkbuntu> kahrytan, you were also striking out at mneptok, but he was afk at the time
[04:27] <kahrytan> elkbuntu,  He was the reason why i was so pissed.
[04:28] <elkbuntu> kahrytan, kick your router a few times, mmkay :Þ
[04:28] <kahrytan> lol me again.
[04:29]  * kahrytan kicks himself
[04:30] <kahrytan> elkbuntu,  the point is, i am trying to apologize to the people I lashed out at
[04:38] <Myrtti> huomenta puput
[04:38] <Madpilot> morning Myrtti 
[04:39] <Myrtti> ubunteros are like bunnies, they multiply too
[04:39] <Myrtti> so "morning, bunnies"
[04:40]  * tonyyarusso hmmmmmmms
[04:40] <Myrtti> though you're all cute too
[04:41] <tonyyarusso> Two different web hosts, identical support chat software.  The support technician for each is using the same nick.
[04:41] <tonyyarusso> bot?
[04:42] <Madpilot> tonyyarusso, ask :)
[04:42] <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: hehe, considering, but I got the answers I needed, so I don't think I'll bother
[04:42] <elkbuntu> ok, that's why things were not working
[04:43] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: planetary alignment off?
[04:49] <SportChick> hiya elk & tony
[04:49] <tonyyarusso> hey SC
[04:52] <elkbuntu> hey sc
[04:53] <tonyyarusso> SportChick: know anything about web hosts?
[04:54] <SportChick> tonyyarusso: a wee bit but not tons
[04:54] <tonyyarusso> SportChick: looking for recommendations
[04:55] <SportChick> dotster.com is the one we use
[04:55] <SportChick> had no problems so far
[04:55] <SportChick> but we don't have super-sophisticated stufff
[04:56] <tonyyarusso> I'm looking for PHP5, Perl, Python, MySQL5, SSH, FTP, custom PHP .ini, .htaccess override
[04:56] <Madpilot> quite a shopping list
[04:57] <SportChick> tonyyarusso: check out their website
[04:57] <SportChick> I can't from here (on cell again)
[04:57] <tonyyarusso> will do
[05:01] <tonyyarusso> SportChick: decent, but not as high of limits as others for the same price
[05:04] <SportChick> tonyyarusso: np just answering with what little I know
[05:04] <tonyyarusso> SportChick: yup, understood
[05:04] <SportChick> mainly a website host & mail forwarder for us
[05:14] <Myrtti> tonyyarusso: dreamhost
[05:14] <tonyyarusso> Myrtti: I've heard widely varying things about them for some reason
[05:15] <Myrtti> people from even here are their customers
[05:15] <tonyyarusso> ooo, they use Debian.  That's nice.
[06:29] <DANONURA> someone suggested coming here to ask about a cloak. but this doesn't look like the right channel
[06:29] <nalioth> DANONURA: i sent you a PM
[06:29] <DANONURA> i should have said hello first
[06:29] <DANONURA> oh sorry
[06:29] <nalioth> DANONURA: #freenode is the correct place
[06:30] <DANONURA> ok
[06:30] <DANONURA> i'm new to irc
[06:31] <DANONURA> and wasn't sure exactly if i should dcc chat you or not
[07:37] <Gary> eeek, meeting at 1am, but I *need* my sleep :p
[07:45] <AndrewB> heh
[09:00] <Gary> I call troll - <co^ganteng> by the way,whats your real name
[09:02] <Gary> suggested that he go to -offtopic, but ignored
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[09:12] <Gary> popey, morning, do you have ops in #ubuntu by the way?
[09:13] <popey> uhhhhmmm
[09:13] <popey> no, it appears not
[09:14] <ubotu> Evanlec called the ops in #ubuntu (co^ganteng  disruptive chatter)
[10:26] <ubotu> In ubotu, paolo said: what is a bot?
[11:50] <ikonia> can someone give sysop a pat on the head - he's just talking random advice to people, such as the livecd not booting properly telling people their hardware is broke and they should upgrade
[11:56] <elkbuntu> ikonia, so i dont have to read all the backlog, what's the issue he's telling the person to reinstall over?
[11:56] <ikonia> the livecd hangs at the boot splash - so his first answer was your hardware won't work upgrade it (he didn't know any of the hardware detail) then after a slight row with him its now his vga options that are passwed to the kernel at boot time - even though he doesn't know them 
[11:56] <ikonia> just total random 
[11:57] <ikonia> I've just backed away as I don't want to be in conflict, but tis clear he just says random things
[11:57] <elkbuntu> wtf? the boot option is still going to need passing no matter what gets done...
[11:58] <ikonia> exactly
[11:58] <ikonia> he's totally random 
[11:58] <ikonia> just makes up things
[11:58] <ikonia> the crazy stuff like "upgrade your hardware" is just nuts
[11:59] <elkbuntu> ikonia, dont step back. if he's giving bad advice, he has no place in the channel
[11:59] <ikonia> I'm waiting for him to go or shut up as when I tried to walk the use having trouble through it he just interupted with random stuff and it made it impossible.
[12:00] <ikonia> so I'll let him calm down / go away then I'll walk the guy through finding the issue
[12:00] <ikonia> if I'd have kept going it would have just caused conflict
[12:00] <elkbuntu> ikonia, if he continues, i'll have reason to remove him
[12:00] <elkbuntu> wink wink
[12:00] <ikonia> hence why a pat in the head was requested
[12:00] <ikonia> ta
[12:01] <elkbuntu> just dont make the other people in there suffer because you dont want to butt heads with a moron
[12:01] <ikonia> no no, I wouldn't have let him progress too far just didn't want a row. I've got a headache
[12:02] <elkbuntu> he's on the brink of trolling now
[12:02] <nalioth> ikonia: take the poor fellow to -classroom  :)
[12:28] <ubotu> dgjones called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[12:34] <PriceChild> erm Mez... #ubuntu?
[12:34] <popey> wtf is mez doing?
[12:34] <Pici> er
[12:35] <Myrtti> [14:31] ��� blgq99 [n=ev@c-24-30-49-215.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined  #ubuntu-women
[12:35] <Myrtti> [14:31] < blgq99> Buttercups.pls.suck.my.dick.Buttercups.pls.suck.my.dick.Buttercups.pls.suck.my.dick.Buttercups.pls.suck.my.
[12:35] <Myrtti> funnay
[12:35] <Pici> yeah. just happened in #ubuntu too
[12:35] <Mez> except in #ubuntu - it was tits, not dick
[12:36] <PriceChild> Mez, what happened in #ubuntu? :/
[12:36] <Pici> Mez: What was with those unbans?
[12:36] <Mez> I hit the wrong button
[12:36] <Mez> was clearing out some of my old bans, and hit crop, not remove
[12:37] <Pici> Are you re-adding them?
[12:37] <Mez> (which woulda left just my bans there)
[12:37] <Mez> I can try, but I don't really have the time at this moment ..
[12:38] <Pici> ookay...
[12:38] <popey> nice one
[12:38] <PriceChild> I readded the ones that jumped out at me...
[12:38] <Mez> nvm, got em all
[12:42] <Mez> okies, done
[12:42] <Daviey> ban fest!
[12:42] <Mez> hehe
[12:42] <Mez> oopsy daisy
[12:43] <Daviey> It's those KDE tools causing confusion, change to gnome :)
[12:44] <Pici> Its kind of silly to have a crop button on a ban list anyway.
[12:44]  * Mez uses xchat
[12:44] <PriceChild> you mixed up ctrl and shift?
[12:45] <Mez> I hit crop instead of remove
[12:45] <PriceChild> I think someone watching crozar would be a good idea
[12:45] <PriceChild> *wonders what the crop button actually does*
[12:45] <Mez> removes all bans but the ones selected, apparently
[12:45] <PriceChild> ah hehe
[12:45] <PriceChild> unless someone removes you before you get to finish 8-)
[12:46] <Mez> yup
[12:46] <Mez> and lucky xchat has a sendQ so I managed to quit out aswell
[12:52] <Pici> jm
[12:52] <Pici> er ,hm.
[13:01] <elkbuntu> hmm... strangely enough, the spambots hit 5 minutes after someone with the nick buttercups left the channel
[13:01] <pleia2> she's a known user in -women
[13:02] <elkbuntu> yeah i know. im worried for her not about her
[13:02] <pleia2> ah, right, me too :)
[13:05] <elkbuntu> pleia2, next time she's around, check up on her, ok?
[13:05] <pleia2> planning on it
[13:05] <AndrewB> You could use memoserv for when she next idents ;)
[13:13] <ikonia> PriceChild: has crozar been back in ?
[13:14] <Pici> ikonia: He said he had to go to Saturn (???) and left.
[13:14] <jrib> might be a while
[13:14] <ikonia> I've nt seen him for ages, he was "mr random" which I think his last point proves
[13:15] <ikonia> I as talking about him the other day and someone had to correct me on his name as I couldn't remember it
[13:15] <ikonia> was even
[13:15] <ikonia> damn my typing/laptop keyboard
[13:15] <Pici> I think that was me.
[13:15] <ikonia> possibly
[13:15] <ikonia> proaly 
[13:15] <ikonia> probably
[14:26] <PriceChild> :( about buttercups
[14:27] <PriceChild> LjL, btw I justified the dvdcss good, modding bad to myself on the walk back home!
[14:35] <PriceChild> LjL, Because you don't use dvdcss to play illegal/bootleg dvds... (and I believe its fine to watch dvds you own a copy of, especially when I have valid windows licenses etc.) wheras a lot of modding is for copying games... the guy i o4o'd told me himself that he rented games, make a copy and give the rented one back.
[14:36] <Pici> Thats over the line.
[14:40] <mjr> that's still not the modding that's over any line, IMAO
[14:40] <ikonia> that sounds rather naughty
[14:41] <mjr> and on a GNU/Linux-channel, it should be remembered for instance that modding is often necessary to run said system on some more restricted boxes...
[14:43] <Myrtti> am I criminal when I'm ripping music from the cd's I've borrowed from the library to put into my phone, which is the only sensible audioplayer I've got currently?
[14:44] <Pici> Myrtti: Probably, but we wont tell.
[14:44] <mjr> actually, that's fully legal in Finland
[14:45] <Myrtti> what if I don't delete the files after I've returned the cd's?
[14:45] <mjr> it doesn't matter if you don't own the CDs, only if they're licensed sources themselves
[14:45] <mjr> Myrtti, doesn't matter
[14:45] <Myrtti> \o/
[14:45] <Myrtti> /me looks at her stash of soundtrack cd's she lent yesterday
[14:46] <Pici> You're also not supposed to tape stuff off of the radio and give it to your friends.
[14:46] <Myrtti> np. Kitkerät Neitsyet - Feministirock
[14:47] <mjr> (it'd get unclear if a friend ripped the CD for you instead of you doing the rip, though still not quite clear-cut AFAIK)
[14:47] <Myrtti> np. Bitter Virgins - Feminist rock
[14:47] <mjr> Pici, yeah that's the same here. Only for yourself.
[14:48] <mjr> (yay the community-building effects of the laws!)
[15:07] <PriceChild> gah went to next lecture an hour earlu
[15:07] <PriceChild> *early
[15:08] <Pici> I went to class an hour early yesterday, but it couldnt be helped.  I was in the area and it didnt make sense to go home for 20 minutes.
[15:09] <PriceChild> I hate that... most of my lectures normally have 70 minute gaps between them
[15:10] <ikonia> what are you guys studying ?
[15:10] <PriceChild> which means walking home would leave me about 20-25 mins and its just "grr"
[15:10] <tonyyarusso> I have a four hour block between classes on Tuesday and Thursday that I don't feel like wasting the gas to drive home for.
[15:10] <Pici> At least it was a computer lab, so I just was on ssh.
[15:10] <tonyyarusso> ikonia: computer networking
[15:10] <Pici> ikonia: I currenty pursuing an associates in Computer Science, I'll be going for a Bachelors once I finish this prograrm.
[15:10] <Pici> s/prograrm/program/
[15:11] <ikonia> Pici: are you uk or usa based ?
[15:11] <Pici> ikonia: USA
[15:11] <ikonia> usa I assume
[15:11] <ikonia> ok, that makes sense
[15:11] <ikonia> very interesting guys
[15:11] <ikonia> always nice to take an interest in what your up to 
[15:13] <tonyyarusso> Question: What would be a good domain name for a web site with testimonials and other information about experiences deploying open source solutions of all kinds?
[15:14] <ikonia> opensourcedeployments.com ?
[15:15] <Myrtti> openedsolutions
[15:15] <Myrtti> openopinions
[15:15] <Pici> Myrtti: ooh, I like that last one
[15:15] <ikonia> is registering as fast as Myrtti can type ;)
[15:15] <Pici> Probably taken though
[15:15] <ikonia> gyouropinions
[15:15] <ikonia> gnewopinions ?
[15:16] <Myrtti> eyesopened
[15:16] <Myrtti> openeyed
[15:16] <Myrtti> eyeopener
[15:16] <ikonia> voidmaininfo 
[15:16] <Myrtti> noneedtoshrug
[15:17] <tonyyarusso> ikonia: your first one was what I was thinking to start, but while descriptive, it's kinda long.
[15:17] <Pici> tonyyarussoratesstuff
[15:17] <tonyyarusso> lol
[15:17] <ikonia> its fine in my opinion, I'd have no issue typing it
[15:17] <tonyyarusso> hmm
[15:17] <Myrtti> /me likes openopinions too
[15:18] <tonyyarusso> true
[15:18] <Pici> or ossopinions if its taken
[15:18] <ikonia> openopinions is probably best
[15:18] <tonyyarusso> openopinions looks taken, yeah
[15:19] <ikonia> gnuopinions ?gnewopinions ?
[15:19] <Myrtti> openedopinions?
[15:19] <Myrtti> opinionsopened
[15:19] <Myrtti> opinions'r'os ;-)
[15:20] <Pici> heh
[15:30] <ikonia> printf-opinions ?
[15:31] <Mez> flossopinions?
[15:31] <Mez> (what's the game?)
[15:31] <tonyyarusso> Mez: Question: What would be a good domain name for a web site with testimonials and other information about experiences deploying open source solutions of all kinds?
[15:32] <ikonia> opensucessstories
[15:32] <Mez> succeedwithfloss.ocm
[15:32] <Mez> com *
[15:32] <Mez> forwardwithfloss.com
[15:32] <Mez> ;)
[15:33] <Mez> though you might get some confused dentists
[15:33] <LjL> sourceforge
[15:33] <tonyyarusso> LjL: I think that might be taken?
[15:34] <Mez> ?domain sourceforge
[15:34] <Mez> gah, my bot isn't in here
[15:34] <Mez> openideas?
[15:35] <ikonia> whiletruedoradthissiteuntilboreddone.com ?
[15:36] <Mez> o_O
[15:36] <Mez> godaddy.com suggests buying "openskirt.com" for $850 when you search for opensource.com
[15:36] <tonyyarusso> yeah, I saw that :S
[15:36] <Pici> I'm surprised its not taken already
[15:37] <Mez> it's on auction
[15:39] <ikonia> Mez: could be worse, could ask for "openlegs.com" 
[15:39] <Mez> ;)
[15:39]  * Mez gets back to work
[15:41] <Myrtti> IVE GOT IT
[15:42] <Myrtti> OpenPossessions
[15:42] <Myrtti> no
[15:42] <AndrewB> it?
[15:42] <Myrtti> that's not good
[15:42] <Myrtti> you're ruining my attempts to learn python and gtk in 12 hrs
[15:42] <Mez> openpr0n.com?
[15:44] <tonyyarusso> keep thinkin' - I'm grabbing a shower
[15:46] <LjL> softwareshower
[15:47] <LjL> you can whistle while using it
[15:47] <LjL> and if you don't tune it with incredibly attentive care, it burns you
[15:47] <Pici> Perhaps something clever and web two dot zeroish
[15:47] <Pici> fossr
[15:48] <LjL> and it comes in many little independent drops of code that synergically interact with one another
[15:48] <LjL> Pici: yousource?
[15:49] <LjL> frikipedia? err i mean, freekipedia
[15:49] <LjL> mysource, sourceocrati
[15:50] <LjL> soorce
[15:51] <Pici> LjL: do you manually set your ban mask?
[15:51] <LjL> Pici, you do realize that you're the only op who's slower than me at banning?
[15:51] <LjL> what, no
[15:51] <LjL> except when i have a reason to
[15:52] <Pici> irssi's default does that weird 'grab part of the ident and part of the ip` thing
[15:52] <LjL> non-fancy clients don't use ident@byte1.byte2.byte3.* as default banmask y'know :P
[15:52] <Myrtti> I'm the slowest
[15:52] <LjL> Pici: /ctcp ljl version
[15:52] <Myrtti> I don't ban
[15:53]  * AndrewB has alias's set up. /qq <nick>    does  /cs op <channel> ; /mode +q <user>
[15:54] <LjL> i don't/can't have a get-opped-and-then-ban combo
[15:54] <AndrewB> why not?
[15:54] <Pici> /cskickban = /msg chanserv op $C $N;/remove $C $0 :$1-;/ban $0;/msg chanserv op $C -$N
[15:54] <LjL> i can't, because it requires timing (i.e. only execute the action *after* you see that chanserv has opped you)
[15:54] <LjL> i don't anyway, because i'd mess up
[15:54] <ikonia> quick aliases boys
[15:54] <AndrewB> Pici: you dont need your $N after op $c 
[15:55] <Pici> AndrewB: doesnt hurt.
[15:55] <AndrewB> chanservs assumes you if nothing is passed :)
[15:55] <AndrewB> anyway
[15:55] <AndrewB> tutorial time
[15:56] <LjL> AndrewB and Pici, are your aliases actually like that? how can they work if you don't time the action after chanserv?
[15:56] <AndrewB> I have a wait ***;
[15:56] <LjL> chanserv can be way slow at times, if i just executed the two commands in sequence, i'd miss it half the times
[15:56] <LjL> AndrewB: ah hm i tried that once, but it's hard to do properly with konversation as there is no "wait" command
[15:57] <AndrewB> 15:56 qq         quote chanserv op $C;wait 2;mode +q $0
[15:57] <LjL> it really should look at when chanserv ops you though
[15:57] <AndrewB> I dunno if you can do that in an alias, would need to write a script
[15:57] <LjL> most likely yeah
[15:57] <LjL> anyway i see the having to do it separately as a "sudo" kind of thing :P
[15:58] <AndrewB> haha /me adds /sudo as an op alias :p
[15:58] <LjL> the issue with konversation is that if there is much scrolling (like when they attack us...), everything lags
[15:58]  * AndrewB throws irssi at LjL then runs before he starts a flame war
[15:59] <Myrtti> /me gives boys a ball of yarn and knitting pins each
[15:59] <Myrtti> do something productive ;-)
[15:59] <LjL> AndrewB, no flamewars, irssi is superior to konversation in almost every possible way, except that konversation is a very KDE-GUI-compliant application, and i'm not fond of doing non-shell-like stuff in a terminal
[16:00] <Myrtti> screen irssi == pure love
[16:00] <LjL> Myrtti: i have a proxy thanks :P
[16:01] <Myrtti> I've got irssi working as a proxy for my mobile phone clients...
[16:01] <Myrtti> /me hides
[16:01] <LjL> Myrtti: yeah i heard that's possible. or perhaps you told me.
[16:01] <LjL> Myrtti: you're on symbian too?
[16:01] <Myrtti> yeah
[16:01] <LjL> Myrtti: what are you using?
[16:01] <Myrtti> mirggi
[16:02] <Myrtti> s60v3 app
[16:02] <LjL> Myrtti: tried wireless irc 1.20?
[16:02] <LjL> (non free)
[16:02] <Myrtti> nope, I've tried jmIRC before
[16:02] <Myrtti> neither is mirggi
[16:02] <LjL> Myrtti: "j" as in "java"?
[16:02] <LjL> Myrtti: yeah but wireless irc isn't even free as in price
[16:02] <Myrtti> that, or Juho Vähä-Herttua J
[16:03] <LjL> it's way more complete though, can load #ubuntu without running out of memory on my 32Mb machine, and it doesn't crash when its nickname exists already on the network
[16:03] <LjL> and it autocompletes nicknames
[16:04] <Myrtti> ooh
[16:05] <LjL> Myrtti: give it a try. it's bloated but mostly in useful ways. you can set all sort of events and highlights too, and it can have two windows - one for the channel you're in, the other showing activity everywhere else
[16:05] <LjL> i just miss mirggi's red/green dots
[16:07] <TheSheep> r·
[16:07] <TheSheep> :/
[16:07] <Myrtti> anyway, I did get the 770 I've been using for over a year now as a farewell gift
[16:07] <Myrtti> so using phone to irc isn't that necessary ;-P
[16:08] <Myrtti> irssi <3
[16:09] <LjL> for of the fun things in life are necessary
[16:10] <Myrtti> besides, as I've already told, 770 is almost as equally pure love as screen irssi
[16:10] <Myrtti> though having flashed it with IT2007 Hackers edition has made it a bit unstable, but the perks of the new OS are still better than the cons
[16:16] <LjL> Myrtti: i have no idea about that device, is the os still symbian?
[16:17] <Myrtti> nope, Linux Debian ARM
[16:17] <Myrtti> :-P
[16:17] <LjL> sweeeet
[16:17] <Myrtti> basically
[16:17] <Myrtti> Nokia <3
[16:17] <Myrtti> that's why gnome and guadec are sponsored heavily by nokia
[16:17] <LjL> Myrtti: well no, Debian <3 perhaps, nokia definitely not, with symbian signed and all
[16:18] <Myrtti> I don't bite the hand that has by proxy fed me ;-)
[16:18] <LjL> awww i'll shut up then
[16:19] <Myrtti> http://www.coss.fi/web/coss/about that's my previous employer
[16:21] <LjL> Myrtti: ah well. still it's a bit paradoxical that the same company uses and feeds free software while partecipating in such a dark-ages trusted computing crusade with symbian
[16:22] <Myrtti> LjL: some have speculated that maemo/770-n800-n810 are a signal of Nokia moving it's development towards open source and linux...
[16:22] <Myrtti> big boats turn slow
[16:22] <Myrtti> etc
[16:24] <LjL> Myrtti: well shame that they're doing that on super-expensive devices rather than the stuff i can get myself ;P
[16:24] <LjL> this phone was a good deal i think as far as just money is concerned, but i just hate it as far as current symbian goes (though i used to like epoc32 a lot)
[16:26] <Daviey> %btlogin
[16:43] <LjL> PriceChild, y'know, tuesday and thursday look way too much alike in english
[16:43] <LjL> on the wednesday/THURSDAY night, i would have been fine at 0:00 as well =)
[16:44] <LjL> but i was thinking TUESDAY/wednesday...
[16:48] <no0tic> eheh
[17:26] <tonyyarusso> owwww - foot cramp
[17:26] <Seeker`> hmm
[17:26] <tonyyarusso> well, time for class
[17:41] <PriceChild> LjL, I know what you mean :)
[17:41] <PriceChild> rhythmbox keeps eating my cpu
[17:41] <PriceChild> how rude
[17:41] <LjL> then you haven't tried amarok
[17:42] <LjL> it probably eats your GPU while it's at it
[17:42] <PriceChild> I do love amarok
[17:42] <PriceChild> best music player ever
[17:42] <PriceChild> amarok > everything else
[17:42] <LjL> yeah if you have a dedicated machine for running it
[17:43] <PriceChild> elkbuntu, you'll be sad to find out I successfully dodged all the buses today.
[17:43] <LjL> in that it won't let anything else run, yup
[17:43] <LjL> oh yeah, me too :(
[17:43] <LjL> actually i didn't move from home
[17:44] <LjL> yesterday some fool *was* going to ignore me on the pedestrian crossing though
[17:45] <LjL> i wasn't fast enough to take my keys out of the pocket and place some new artwork on their car though
[17:52] <Pici> !test
[17:52] <ubotu> Failed.
[17:53] <LjL> that was an annoying one
[17:53] <LjL> at least to my client
[17:53] <Pici> No netsplit aggregation?
[17:59] <LjL> meh, it killed my connection even
[18:09] <jdong> yeah, it was a bit nasty
[18:10] <jdong> just trying to make sense of the dust in my scrollback now :)
[18:10] <LjL> i'm just trying to convince myself that konversation is elegant enough that the fact that it froze for about 3 minutes doesn't really matter
[18:11] <Pici> Yeah, theres no reason why you should have to be reachable during a high traffic situation!
[18:12] <LjL> Pici, sarcasm also tends to impact my connectivity, please.
[18:37]  * Pici wonders whats going on in forums
[18:44] <jdong> what happened at the forums? :)
[18:44] <jdong> other than mdke and az going at it :D
[18:44] <Pici> I meant the channel, someone was complaining about 3lkbuntu
[18:45] <jdong> Pici: ah
[18:45] <jdong> Pici: something about a drug discussion in -ot
[18:45] <Pici> Ah.
[18:46] <jdong> Pici: meh, standard whining after being banned for a grey-area offense... nothing much to see
[18:46] <Pici> kk
[18:46] <Pici> They set off my !o4o hilight
[18:47] <jdong> lol
[18:50] <jussi01> hehe, its gnine
[18:50] <jdong> PriceChild: eep don't kick the sleeping horse...
[18:50] <jdong> he already stopped 5 minutes ago, you might reawaken him.. though if you're looking for action no objections ;-)
[19:15] <Pici> !test
[19:15] <ubotu> Failed.
[19:21] <ccvp> hello
[19:21] <ccvp> was told to come a month later
[19:21] <ccvp> banned from #ubuntu :)
[19:21] <ccvp> from 6 month ago I think
[19:22] <ccvp> [01:22pm] .-- Can't join #ubuntu: (you're banned (+b))
[19:23] <Pici> ccvp: please hold.
[19:23] <Pici> %login
[19:23] <ubotu> OK
[19:23] <ccvp> we use it at work now, and the channel beats forums for help
[19:23] <ccvp> 1000+ users for real time help, since we use it at work now with Liferay CMS
[19:28] <LjL> ccvp your nickname instigates bad memory in my brain
[19:28] <Pici> LjL: I was just about to summon you.
[19:28] <ccvp> well is old times, but now
[19:28] <ccvp> we need the help etc
[19:28] <ccvp> we use 7.04 with tomcat/apache2/liferay CMS
[19:29] <LjL> ccvp: a long time, yeah, but do you realize just how many times you were banned, evaded, were banned...?
[19:30] <ikonia> ccvp: are you aware there is business support from ubuntu's creation company ?
[19:30] <ikonia> its very good
[19:30] <mc44> and cheap!
[19:30] <ikonia> good value is more appropriate
[19:32] <LjL> ccvp, i must go to have dinner right now, we can discuss this in half an hour or so if you don't mind
[19:32] <ccvp> heh
[19:32] <ccvp> last time i had lightning fast help
[19:33] <ikonia> then perhaps getting banned on multiple occasions from your best support method wasn't the best idea
[19:33] <ccvp> ikonia, you just typed about 17 words
[19:33] <ccvp> in 2 seconds :)
[19:33] <ikonia> that doesn't change what I typed
[19:33] <nalioth> if you want "lightning fast help" perhaps we can let the ban ride another month, and you can get on with your other business . . . . 
[19:34] <ccvp> but i i dont have logging capability as some irc clients do
[19:34] <ccvp> but i do remember they said come back around now, and 90% is lifted
[19:34] <ikonia> how does that become relevent ?
[19:34] <Pici> ccvp: Please be patient until LjL returns.  
[19:35] <ccvp> tomcat java connectors are getting gimpy on me
[19:35] <ccvp> with apache2
[19:35] <ikonia> ccvp: have you considered support from canonical ?
[19:35] <ikonia> if this is for a business 
[19:36] <ccvp> well, even though #ubuntu is filled with live people, is reason for 'real time' help, instead of forum posting
[19:36] <ccvp> where i have to wait 2billion miliseconds average for replies on forums
[19:37] <ikonia> are understanding what is being said to you ? as you've just responded to a question/comment no-one asked
[19:37] <Myrtti> how about canonical commercial support
[19:37] <ikonia> Myrtti: exactly
[19:38] <ikonia> ccvp: http://www.canonical.com/services/support
[19:38] <ikonia> thats the best live help you can get
[19:40] <Myrtti> THE BEST
[19:54] <Seeker`> ccvp: how have you found liferay?
[19:58] <ccvp> seeker?
[19:58] <ccvp> oh
[19:58] <ccvp> its a free alternative to sharepoint
[19:58] <ccvp> which was like $30k+
[19:58] <ccvp> but I heavily modified it for about 10,000 users
[19:59] <ccvp> it qualifies for DCAA/ISO 9000/2001 retention requirements
[19:59] <Seeker`> ccvp: http://www.liferay.com/web/guest/home?
[19:59] <ccvp> ?
[20:00] <Myrtti> Seeker`: yeah, that's th one
[20:00] <Myrtti> prolly
[20:00] <ccvp> yes thats it
[20:00]  * Seeker` had to use that for a while
[20:00] <Seeker`> I was wondering if anyone else thought it was as bad as i did
[20:01] <ccvp> its confusing to some, and frustrating
[20:01] <ccvp> but it can be modified heavily as can joomla
[20:01]  * Seeker` had to rewrite the blog portlet
[20:02] <Myrtti> Seeker`: i do hate it
[20:02] <pleia2> I recommended it to a client of mine a couple years ago after reviewing several java platforms, but they had the budget to fly out a liferay developer :)
[20:03] <pleia2> ah big pharma
[20:03] <Myrtti> almost as passionately as Evolution
[20:03] <ccvp> well I have a pre-set package i compiled, ubuntu 7.04, mail server, webserver, and liferay running, and imaged it
[20:03] <ccvp> and i deploy it to small businesses in town for about $2000 and 150/hour
[20:03] <ccvp> have about 25 customers atm, so it brings the $$$ in, its just something i got familiar with, and i stuck w/ it
[20:03] <ikonia> then you can afford canonical support
[20:04] <ompaul> ikonia, they could afford you and me as well ;-)
[20:04] <ikonia> ha ha ha ha, shall I book my plane ticket now ?
[20:04] <ccvp> i find it funny that i have a nice condo, and a new bmw, all from a product
[20:04] <ccvp> and sub products that cost nothing
[20:04] <ikonia> I don't find that funny
[20:05] <ccvp> yet people say: get win 2k3, get sharepoint!
[20:05] <Myrtti> ok, this must be a troll
[20:05] <ccvp> the only upside to MS is the documentation.
[20:05] <ikonia> agreed
[20:05] <ccvp> no, its not trolling im stating interactions and conversations.
[20:05] <ikonia> hence the multiple bans LjL suggested
[20:05] <ccvp> I think your biased ,because of my previous ban from #ubuntu
[20:05] <ikonia> ban(s) note plural
[20:05] <Pici> ccvp: We have no reason not to be :/
[20:13] <Myrtti> buttercups
[20:13] <Myrtti> on -women
[20:14] <Pici> she okay?
[20:14] <Myrtti> dunno
[20:15] <PriceChild> Myrtti, would you like to say something about it in pm?
[20:15] <Myrtti> im really not that well equipped with this 770 to keep long conversations
[20:15] <anthony> (what's going on?)
[20:15] <nalioth> Myrtti: needs a neural or brainwave interface, does it?
[20:15] <Myrtti> besides my wifi is crappy
[20:16] <Myrtti> nalioth: were it earlier, id have more enthusiasm 
[20:16] <PriceChild> anthony, there were some spammers today in #ubuntu and -women who weren't very nice towards "buttercups" who is a user known in -women... so a few worrying whether all is ok.
[20:16] <anthony> PriceChild: ah
[20:16] <Myrtti> she left
[20:17] <Myrtti> [22:14] ��� buttercups [n=__butter@c-68-54-116-100.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit]
[20:17] <pleia2> doh
[20:18] <Myrtti> i hate cutnpaste with thias
[20:18] <ikonia> is -women #ubuntu-women ?
[20:18] <Pici> yes
[20:18] <Myrtti> yeah
[20:18] <ikonia> thats an interesting idea for a channel 
[20:18] <Myrtti> why?
[20:18] <nalioth> huh?
[20:18] <ikonia> a channel based on women who use ubuntu I assume ?
[20:18] <Pici> ikonia: Its for encouraging women to use Ubuntu type stuff.
[20:18] <Myrtti> indeed
[20:18] <Pici> And that.
[20:18] <nalioth> ikonia: it's been running well for years
[20:18] <ikonia> yeah, an interesting idea
[20:18] <Myrtti> and to develop
[20:18] <pleia2> ikonia: the Ubuntu Women project
[20:18] <nalioth> so, not an idea.
[20:18] <ikonia> nalioth: I've seen someone on the wiki - but not the channel its self
[20:18] <pleia2> ubuntu-women.org
[20:19] <ikonia> ahh its own site too
[20:19] <ikonia> interesting way to promote useage and a sub community
[20:19] <Myrtti> the channels been around for ages
[20:19] <ikonia> never heard of it, but then I didn't go looking
[20:19] <Myrtti> i rember when it was launched the first time
[20:19] <pleia2> it's an approved ubuntu project
[20:20] <ikonia> oh I'm sure, I'm not putting it down.
[20:20] <ikonia> just an interesting and new approach from other projects
[20:20] <Myrtti> had some bad karma a bit, then
[20:20] <LjL> ccvp, i'm back
[20:20] <Myrtti> new?
[20:20] <ikonia> Myrtti: new to me
[20:20] <ikonia> never seen it before, so its a new approach
[20:20] <Myrtti> debian-women has been around forever
[20:21] <LjL> and i'm sorry, but after reviewing your logs, i can see that you've trolled from at least late 2006 until up when i banned you in mid 2007
[20:21] <ikonia> eg: Redhat don't do it even though a good portion of their developers are women
[20:21] <Myrtti> and linuxchix
[20:21] <pleia2> there is a fedora women group too, women groups are quite popular
[20:21] <ikonia> ok, best stop whil ljl deals
[20:21] <LjL> ikonia: shouldn't take very long
[20:22] <ccvp> well, review the op then who last spoke to me, who said come back in a month and it will be lifted.
[20:22] <LjL> ccvp, as far as i'm concerned, your ban stays indefinitely. you have been warned in 2006 - and you were still doing the same trollage months later in 2007
[20:22] <LjL> ccvp: i'm sure nobody ever said it *will* be lifted.
[20:22] <ccvp> you know what, go fuck yourself, i'll just get our employees to use Tor, with this biased attitude.
[20:22] <LjL> they *usually* are.
[20:22] <LjL> but, you're not usual so to say
[20:22] <LjL> ikonia: see, it didn't take very long
[20:22] <ikonia> how right you where
[20:22] <ompaul> and whammo no tor
[20:23] <LjL> i request the permission to set a permanent ban on ccvp
[20:23] <ikonia> I hope freenode are still blocking to tor gateways
[20:23] <LjL> ikonia: freenode aren't, but we are
[20:23] <ompaul> ikonia, so are ubuntu channels
[20:23] <ikonia> ah
[20:23] <Pici> We already have a realname ban in place, does tor carry that over?
[20:23] <PriceChild> ikonia, freenode are encouraging of tor.. and discouraging of users blocking it iirc
[20:23] <PriceChild> *channels
[20:23] <ikonia> PriceChild: oh, is there a reason for that stance ?
[20:23] <LjL> !tor
[20:23] <ubotu> The #ubuntu channel and related channels ban users joining from anonymous gateways like tor/silenceisdefeat/cgi:irc because the abuse:useful ratio is close to infinity:nothing -- project cloaks will let you join, otherwise you should simply not use an anonymizer.
[20:23] <ubotu> Attention tor users.  You may think you are anonymous, but you are not.  Please visit http://tor.unixgu.ru/ and see for yourself.   Please evaluate your need to use tor here on irc.  If you wish anonymity, Freenode offers cloaks of many different types. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
[20:23] <nalioth> ompaul: no tor or proxy access to #ubuntu 
[20:24] <ompaul> nalioth, yah
[20:24] <PriceChild> ikonia, which? (#ubuntu and other channels ban to -proxy-users)
[20:24] <ccvp> I'm generally not like this ,but when you are influenced by other biased individuals, to be biased yourself, this clearly isn't a just process. after i was told a ban would be lifted....these specific types of attitudes is what generates a result output as I said earlier. That I generally don't do, but being subjected to this idiocy makes this response paramount.
[20:24] <ikonia> PriceChild: no freenode saying no tor
[20:24] <ikonia> ccvp shouldn't you be using tor ?
[20:24] <Pici> Does that site even work?
[20:24] <PriceChild> ikonia, why would it? :/ Its does tor-gpg etc.
[20:24] <PriceChild> *wonders if all those bans are necessary*
[20:24] <ompaul> it is gone already
[20:25] <ikonia> PriceChild: sorry, I think I've miss-understood, freenode saying "please use tor" or not
[20:25] <ompaul> PriceChild, it works for a while
[20:25] <ompaul> actually not banning the ip might be good
[20:25] <PriceChild> ikonia, it doesn't say "please use it"
[20:25] <ikonia> PriceChild: I'm paraphrasing, encouraging use ?
[20:25] <PriceChild> ikonia, but its definitely not discouraging of it
[20:26] <ikonia> why would freenode not discourage the use of setups like tor
[20:26] <ikonia> I can't see a benifit of it for a network like freenode
[20:26] <TheSheep> ikonia: china :)
[20:26] <nalioth> ikonia: oppressive regimes
[20:27] <ikonia> Hmmmm an interesting situation
[20:27] <ubotu> In ubotu, jussio1 said: !studiorepo is <reply>All Ubuntu Studio 7.10 Gutsy packages are included in the official Ubuntu repos. However, Ubuntu Studio 7.04 had its own custom addon repository. This is no longer supported or available. Please use Ubuntu Studio Gutsy.
[20:28] <ompaul> jussio1, you keep changing that ;-)
[20:28] <ompaul> !no studiorepo is <reply>All Ubuntu Studio 7.10 Gutsy packages are included in the official Ubuntu repos. However, Ubuntu Studio 7.04 had its own custom addon repository. This is no longer supported or available. Please use Ubuntu Studio Gutsy.
[20:28] <ubotu> I'll remember that ompaul
[20:28] <jussio1> thanks ompaul
[20:28] <Myrtti> i thought !tor was edited few days ago
[20:28] <jussio1> ompaul: thats the first edit! 
[20:29] <ompaul> jussio1, I thought you gave us that a few days ago
[20:29] <Myrtti> shortened
[20:29] <ompaul> Myrtti, it was but obviously 
[20:29] <ompaul> !proxy was not
[20:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about proxy was not - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:29] <ompaul> !proxy
[20:29] <ubotu> #ubuntu and related channels prohibit access from proxy servers due to a high level of abuse. Project cloaks allowed: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
[20:29] <ubotu> Attention tor users.  You may think you are anonymous, but you are not.  Please visit http://tor.unixgu.ru/ and see for yourself.   Please evaluate your need to use tor here on irc.  If you wish anonymity, Freenode offers cloaks of many different types. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
[20:29] <ompaul> !tor
[20:29] <Myrtti> oh
[20:29] <ubotu> The #ubuntu channel and related channels ban users joining from anonymous gateways like tor/silenceisdefeat/cgi:irc because the abuse:useful ratio is close to infinity:nothing -- project cloaks will let you join, otherwise you should simply not use an anonymizer.
[20:29] <jussio1> ompaul: no, we had !studiocd the other day
[20:30] <jussio1> !studiocd
[20:30] <ubotu> Ubuntu Studio is only available as an alternate CD.  The LiveCD installer does not meet Ubuntu Studio's requirements at this time.
[20:30] <ompaul> we seem to have some confustion in the tor stuff
[20:30] <ompaul> jussio1, ahh
[20:30] <Myrtti> yup
[20:30] <ompaul> LjL, how to get that extra tor stuff out
[20:30] <LjL> ompaul, na na na i'm not telling you
[20:30] <PriceChild> just add "or see !tor-gpg" onto tor?
[20:31] <ompaul> arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[20:31] <ompaul> no 
[20:31] <PriceChild> Hey there woodwizzle.
[20:31] <LjL> ompaul, PriceChild, please... that factoid is to be called from #ubuntu-proxy-users
[20:31] <ompaul> don't you want to make them shorter
[20:31] <woodwizzle> Cna I be tested for a router bug. Believe I fixed it
[20:31] <LjL> woodwizzle: sure
[20:31] <ompaul> LjL, a topic should go to a longer web page
[20:32] <PriceChild> woodwizzle, thanks, you can rejoin #ubuntu
[20:32] <ompaul> !tor-gpg
[20:32] <ubotu> You can use tor and still access #ubuntu and other channels that have tor blocked.  How? Read http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml#tor to find out how to bypass all the tor hassles on freenode.
[20:33] <woodwizzle> PriceChild: Thanks
[20:33] <ompaul> LjL, how does one get to join #ubuntu-proxy-users?
[20:33] <ompaul> by being on tor?
[20:33] <LjL> ompaul: is that a trick question? :P
[20:33] <PriceChild> ompaul, tor and cgiirc are forwarded there
[20:33] <LjL> yeah, or by being on gci:irc, or by /join #ubuntu-proxy-users
[20:34] <ompaul> LjL, I just checked the ban list
[20:34] <ompaul> not something I would engage at all
[20:34] <ompaul> I would have it in the topic of that channel and no other clue
[20:34] <ompaul> have the channel muted
[20:34] <LjL> the channel *is* +m
[20:34] <ompaul> the use to abuse ratio is too low
[20:35] <ompaul> for it to ever matter
[20:35] <LjL> ompaul, silly, there are a lot of legitimate cgi:irc users, me included oftentimes
[20:36] <Myrtti> sllleep
[20:36] <Myrtti> _o/
[20:36] <TheSheep> Myrtti: good idea
[20:36] <LjL> ompaul: in certain channels, *.it is banned. the use to abuse ratio is too low.
[20:37] <ompaul> LjL, hmmm
[21:03] <PriceChild> ompaul, there's been a couple of those lately.
[21:25] <PriceChild> Hey cruxeternus, how can I help?
[21:26] <cruxeternus> I was invited to lurk :P
[21:26]  * ompaul waves at NeddySeagoon 
[21:26] <PriceChild> cruxeternus, ahhh, was thinking that but just checking as no cloak ;)
[21:26]  * NeddySeagoon waves to ompaul 
[21:27] <cruxeternus> PriceChild: Oh, I have no official gentoo capacity... I'm really more of a #gentoo groupie
[21:28] <NeddySeagoon> cruxeternus, what happende to your @gentoo/groupie/cruxeternus cloak
[21:29] <cruxeternus> NeddySeagoon: Application lost in the mail? *shrug*
[21:37] <nalioth> lurk?
[21:37] <nalioth> we issued invitations to lurk?
[21:37] <cruxeternus> nalioth: I can leave if it makes you uncomfortable. :P
[21:38] <nalioth> cruxeternus: not at all  :)
[21:38] <nalioth> i think i've missed a memo somewhere
[21:40]  * ompaul buries nalioth under the paper he missed ;-)
[21:40] <nalioth> probably not a good choice of words   :|
[21:40] <cruxeternus> Inter-channel process and knowledge exchange?
[21:40] <ompaul> cruxeternus, ya
[21:41] <cruxeternus> Lurk is shorter, though :P
[21:41] <ompaul> NeddySeagoon, mind a pm?
[21:41] <NeddySeagoon> ompaul, sure
[21:43] <somerville32> Seveas, ping
[21:44] <PriceChild> somerville32, sure no-one else can help? :)
[21:44] <somerville32> no0tic, not really.
[21:44] <somerville32> gah
[21:44] <somerville32> Stupid auto-nick complete. Sorry no0tic 
[21:44] <somerville32> PriceChild, I was looking to get added to ubotu again.
[21:47] <PriceChild> I haven't seen you suggesting any factoids lately.
[21:48] <somerville32> PriceChild, I hadn't been suggesting them because I knew I couldn't do them. I forgot they get forwarded here.
[21:48] <somerville32> But it would be helpful so that I can add Xubuntu specific factoids
[21:49] <LjL> somerville32, if you add Xubuntu specific factoids, i see no reason why we wouldn't approve them in... you can have channel-specific factoids too you know? !blah-#xubuntu is blahblah
[21:50] <somerville32> Yup.
[21:50] <somerville32> But I'd like to have the privilege for the same reason other people would appreciate it.
[21:50] <somerville32> And I'm a prominent Xubuntu developer so it isn't like I'm going to do anything malicious.
[21:51] <LjL> well yes, you'll need seveas for that
[21:51] <PriceChild> we never suggested anything of the sort?! Just thinking we could add them until you discuss it with seveas.
[21:52] <somerville32> Ah. Okay. I thought you were proposing that I opt for suggesting instead of requesting access.
[21:52] <PriceChild> both
[21:53]  * somerville32 eats some chicken noodle soup.
[21:53] <jdong> lol isn't that the same thing as the motivation for going MOTU? :)
[21:53] <jdong> so you have that shiny badge that says "oh look I'm MOTU"
[21:54] <PriceChild> jdong, mhmm
[21:54] <jdong> :)
[21:54] <somerville32> jdong, Not at al l
[21:54] <somerville32> Going for MOTU is for convenience. 
[21:54] <jdong> somerville32: recently in my experience the uus queue has been done really well
[21:54] <PriceChild> as is this
[21:54] <jdong> somerville32: I was frustrated beforee when I'd put something on it for 2 months and not get a response
[21:54] <jdong> but now it's great
[21:55] <somerville32> jdong, Are you suggesting no one apply for upload access anymore?
[21:55] <PriceChild> its convenient for you to have editor access on ubotu instead of going through us
[21:55] <ompaul> somerville32, ask jussi__ about speed of addition of requests  - lags of up to one minute might exist ;-)
[21:55] <jdong> somerville32: no, that's not what I'm saying :)
[21:55] <somerville32> :)
[21:55] <jdong> somerville32: I also want to apply for it
[21:55] <nalioth> pet the overlords kittenz
[21:56]  * jdong wonders if setting an ignore on overlord.*kitt.* would violate some unspoken rule :D
[21:56] <somerville32> I want overlords/kittzen as my mask, lol
[21:56] <jdong> lol
[21:58] <ompaul> somerville32, are there some specific factoids you need atm - if so please pop them out and lets get them done
[21:59] <somerville32> ompaul, The reason I'm asking for access is because over the last few days I've kept thinking of factoids but unfortunately I haven't written any of them down. :(
[22:00] <ompaul> somerville32, so !X is Y and we can respond when you do work one out
[22:00] <somerville32> Thanks. I'll review channels logs to see if I can remember some.
[22:01] <somerville32> What would be a good factoid name for discussing icon themes?
[22:03] <ompaul> well give us the text and we can help choose something useful - that is a tad loose as a question
[22:04] <somerville32> I suppose I'll just combine all theme info for xubuntu in one factoid.
[22:05] <ompaul> xthemes ?
[22:05] <jussi__> somerville32: yeps, 1 minute :D
[22:05] <jussi01> freaking dodgy connection
[22:08] <LjL> ompaul, nah, if it's *xubuntu* themes, just !themes-#xubuntu
[22:08] <LjL> path of least surprise
[22:08] <LjL> just like we have !themes for gnome
[22:08] <LjL> (and perhaps !themes-#kubuntu for kubuntu, not sure, but if it's not there it should)
[22:09] <ompaul> LjL, okay
[22:09] <PriceChild> cfedde, test/
[22:09] <PriceChild> ?
[22:09] <cfedde> sorry?
[22:09] <ompaul> somerville32, what content do you want in that factoid?
[22:09]  * somerville32 is typing.
[22:10] <PriceChild> cfedde, would you like a test for your router bug?
[22:10] <LjL> somerville32, what's done done, but if you wrote down those factoids when you thought about them and submitted them to the bot, they wouldn't have been lost.  even if nobody added them, this channel is logged you know
[22:10] <cfedde> PriceChild: sure!  
[22:10]  * cfedde has changed his port but is not at home and can'
[22:10] <cfedde> t check for router upgrades till later.
[22:11] <PriceChild> cfedde, you can rejoin #ubuntu :)
[22:11] <cfedde> PriceChild: thanks
[22:11] <PriceChild> cfedde, it was that specific ip we banned...
[22:11] <PriceChild> cfedde, so it was definitely work(or wherever you are) with the problem
[22:11] <cfedde> my IP?
[22:11] <PriceChild> cfedde, but please change the port you use at home too :)
[22:12] <cfedde> PriceChild: I'm a bit confused.  my router is source for some problem>
[22:12] <cfedde> ?
[22:12] <PriceChild> cfedde, you said you "changed your port but is not at home" ?
[22:12] <PriceChild> cfedde, I'm just clarifying that it is where you are now that definitely had the problem, however please change to 8001 wherever you connect to irc.freenode.net
[22:12] <cfedde> PriceChild: ah.  I'm a screen irssi user and connect from $work to $home so I always irc from a single address.
[22:12] <PriceChild> As your home might also anyway.
[22:13] <PriceChild> Right ok cool :)
[22:13] <cfedde> PriceChild: are there other details I should know about? a new linksys exploit?
[22:14] <PriceChild> cfedde, its not new at all really... a year or so old iirc and affects a large group of routers.
[22:14] <ompaul> PriceChild, add 6  months to that iirc 
[22:15] <PriceChild> cfedde, perhaps send an email to the manufacturer of your router encouraging them to fix this in future router upgrades, but other than that, changing port fixes it.
[22:15] <cfedde> Ok.  I'll do some research and see if there is some patch I can fix this with.  I've not noticed that I have that bug when people play the dcc send game.
[22:16] <cfedde> and thanks.
[22:17] <somerville32> !themes-#xubuntu is <reply> Themes for Xfce4 are simply GTK2+ themes which means Gnome themes are also compatible with your xfce4 desktop. To install themes, place them in ~/.themes/  To install icons, unpack them to ~/.icons/  --  Visit http://www.xfce-look.org/ for all kinds of eyecandy for your Xfce4 desktop!
[22:18] <LjL> ah wait
[22:18] <LjL> if xfce themes are the same as gnome themes, then people *will* also want to see !themes
[22:18] <LjL> !themes
[22:18] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://kubuntu-art.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[22:19] <LjL> !xfce-themes is <reply> Themes for Xfce4 are simply GTK2+ themes which means Gnome themes are also compatible with your xfce4 desktop. To install themes, place them in ~/.themes/  To install icons, unpack them to ~/.icons/ - Visit http://www.xfce-look.org/ for all kinds of eyecandy for your Xfce4 desktop! - See also !themes for other GNOME theme sites
[22:19] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[22:20] <LjL> somerville32: otherwise if it's !themes-#xubuntu as i was suggestion, people won't be able to call plain !themes in #xubuntu, so perhaps better this way
[22:22]  * somerville32 nods.
[22:22] <somerville32> Can we modify themes to include a link to http://www.xfce-look.org?
[22:26] <LjL> somerville32: yeah we could, i was thinking that, but the explanation to put them in ~/.themes, etc, wouldn't fit there
[22:26]  * somerville32 nods.
[22:26] <somerville32> Maybe modify changethemes to point people to xfce-themes too?
[22:27] <somerville32> ie. themes would just contain the link, changethemes would recommend xfce4 users see xfce-themes
[22:34] <ompaul> !changethemes is <alias> xfce-themes
[22:34] <ubotu> But changethemes already means something else!
[22:34] <ompaul> somerville32, ^^ we need more help here
[22:34] <ompaul> !changethemes
[22:34] <ubotu> To change your themes, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy.  Kubuntu users should visit https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu.
[22:35] <ompaul> give me it in that format perhaps ^^
[22:35] <somerville32> !changethemes is <reply> To change your themes, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy.  Kubuntu users should visit https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu. Xubuntu users should see !xfce-themes
[22:35] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, somerville32 said: !changethemes is <reply> To change your themes, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy.  Kubuntu users should visit https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu. Xubuntu users should see !xfce-themes
[22:36] <ompaul> hmm
[22:36] <LjL> that should work imHo
[22:37] <ompaul> LjL, hmm just a sec
[22:37] <ompaul> !no changethemes is <reply> To change your themes, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy.  Kubuntu users should visit https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu. Xubuntu users should /msg ubotu xfce-themes 
[22:37] <ubotu> I'll remember that ompaul
[22:38] <ompaul> LjL, what I was saying the other night about the /msg  ;-) 
[22:38] <ompaul> NeddySeagoon, I take it your bot is set to take messages from anyone
[22:39] <LjL> ompaul: that it wasted precious space?
[22:39] <ompaul> LjL, no ! vs /msg
[22:39] <ompaul> LjL, but on the waste of space is there a tinyurl.ubuntu.tld anywhere?
[22:40] <nalioth> klined
[22:40] <ompaul> actually that factoid is not great
[22:40] <LjL> ompaul: yeah. i'm sure you were saying that "/msg ubotu foo" was so much wasteful of space than "!foo"
[22:40] <LjL> you must be getting old, 'cause i think that's what you said :P
[22:40] <ompaul> nalioth, ? or do we want to know
[22:40] <PriceChild> ompaul, exploiter in #ubuntu
[22:40] <nalioth> ompaul: serial DOSser
[22:41] <nalioth> took bloody long enough for the kline to propogate
[22:41] <ompaul> LjL, no I was saying I abhor waste - but /msg ubotu is so much better than ! given the impact of a few !long-factoids on a screen
[22:41] <ompaul> nalioth, ahh
[22:41] <LjL> ompaul, tinyurls are a bit ugly... if we actually had a tld we could put, say, "eyecandy.url.ubuntu.com" for https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy, that would be cool, but i don't think there is such thing
[22:42] <somerville32> LjL: We could easily develop that.
[22:42] <LjL> ompaul: uhm, no, actually you said you loved ! links and you encouraged me to create more.
[22:42] <LjL> somerville32: would need a decent tld though, i won't use my "ljl.byethost14.com" for that, no
[22:42] <NeddySeagoon> ompaul My bot ... its a channel bot.  Its best to address it with tab completion but yes, it will talk to anyone
[22:42]  * ompaul mutes and binds LjL to a port in the high numbers thus preventing him from talking about important stuff for a while 
[22:43] <LjL> ompaul: 6667 will do fine
[22:43] <ompaul> NeddySeagoon, the other way around, does it accept pms from non registered users?
[22:43] <NeddySeagoon> ompaul, I'm not sure
[22:44] <somerville32> Ugh oh.
[22:44] <ompaul> !no changethemes is <reply> To change gnome themes: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy.  Kubuntu themes: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu. Xubuntu users should /msg ubotu xfce-themes 
[22:44] <ubotu> I'll remember that ompaul
[22:44] <somerville32> If you're not registered, you can't send /msgs
[22:44] <NeddySeagoon> Its author went away for the summer and is still away :(
[22:44] <PriceChild> somerville32, you can
[22:44] <ompaul> somerville32, you can to me 
[22:44] <PriceChild> somerville32, most just reject messages from unregistered
[22:44] <PriceChild> you can manually set a mode to stop that if you want
[22:44] <ompaul> somerville32, you can turn of the "filter"
[22:44] <somerville32> What about ubotu?
[22:45] <ompaul> somerville32, the bot has that filter turned off
[22:45] <ompaul> somerville32, ergo the editors list 
[22:45] <somerville32> :]
[22:46] <ompaul> can capture good messages and dismiss spam / junk sometimes with whipped cream and a strawberry on top
[23:06] <Jack_Phoenix> rar
[23:07] <somerville32> moo
[23:07] <PriceChild> Hey Jack_Phoenix.
[23:07]  * Jack_Phoenix rars loudly
[23:07] <Jack_Phoenix> could someone unban me from #kubuntu? my client says I've been banned from there, even though I haven't visited the channel ever... :)
[23:08] <somerville32> Jack_Phoenix, You're banned because your real name starts with an A.
[23:08] <somerville32> We randomly pick a letter each day to ban.
[23:08] <somerville32> Sorry, today is just unlucky for you :(
[23:08] <Jack_Phoenix> nothing new then, heh
[23:08] <PriceChild> Jack_Phoenix, give me a minute and I'll investigate whilst somerville32 starts being quiet :)
[23:08] <LjL> somerville32: err, i actually did that today, but in -offtopic
[23:09] <Jack_Phoenix> thanks PriceChild :)
[23:09]  * somerville32 chuckles.
[23:11] <LjL> Jack_Phoenix: a ban that was in place on another user hit you. sorry about that
[23:11] <LjL> you should be able to join now
[23:11] <Jack_Phoenix> np, and thanks :)
[23:11] <Jack_Phoenix> ugh
[23:11] <Jack_Phoenix> still no...grumph
[23:11] <LjL> Jack_Phoenix: ah wait #kubuntu
[23:11] <LjL> i removed the ban from #ubuntu
[23:12] <Jack_Phoenix> heh
[23:27] <somerville32> I need some more apple juice :(
[23:33]  * Seveas throws an apple to somerville32 
[23:34]  * somerville32 chomps.