[00:07] <hatter> i have a problem with gutsy (or the kernel i guess) not recognising rtl8169 chips
[00:07] <hatter> it find the chipset then loads the r8169 module but then fails to run
[00:10] <nealmcb> hatter: there are some tips on how to help track that stuff down at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHardwareDetection
[00:10] <hatter> I also am suffering slowness on the network,  which i havent been able to pinpoint yet, every now and then it the wondows pc's lag, and clicking on a shared drive sits and waits 20 seconds to open
[00:11] <hatter> nealmcb, thx, i will check
[00:26] <nealmcb> soren: of course I'm a newbie in several of these packaging and jeos areas, so I'd welcome feedback on any aspect of that branch
[02:06] <stainer> hi... anyone familiar with a free solution that would allow me to serve powerpoint presentations from a server, making me a hero at my office, possibly getting me a raise and allowing me to send my child to a nice university?
[02:06] <Burgundavia> stainer: server powerpoint from a server?
[02:07] <stainer> sorry
[02:07] <Burgundavia> why not convert to html and then use apache?
[02:07] <stainer> web server
[02:07] <stainer> yes, I have gotten that far
[02:07] <stainer> I would like to control the page changes
[02:07] <stainer> rather than have each client do it
[02:07] <Burgundavia> hmm
[02:07] <stainer> maybe to much?
[02:08] <Burgundavia> so you have a bunch of html already?
[02:08] <Burgundavia> you could add JS to have to page reload on a timer
[02:08] <stainer> ya, I converted a presentation and have it on my apache server
[02:09] <Burgundavia> then add some JS and go nuts
[02:09] <stainer> oh, you are assuming I have some kind of skills...
[02:09] <stainer> :)
[02:10] <stainer> setting the server up was somewhat of a stretch, although I have hosted a mean Counter Strike server before
[02:12] <stainer> thanks a ton for the help though, Burgundavia, I had exhausted every place I knew to look.
[02:13] <Burgundavia> stainer: look online for JS stuff
[02:13] <Burgundavia> it shouldn't be too hard
[02:14] <stainer> ok, I can do that... I can just cut and paste into the html... I can do that
[02:14] <Burgundavia> onLoad or something is what youa re looking for
[02:16] <stainer> this one --> Required. Specifies a JavaScript to be executed when the event occurs.
[02:18] <Burgundavia> ah
[02:58] <nealmcb> hmm - I never noticed this one before: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/i386/linux-xen/2.6.22.14.21
[02:58] <nealmcb> a xen kernel for gutsy
[02:59] <ajmitch> what didn't you notive about it?
[02:59] <ajmitch> that does look just like a boring metapackage
[03:06] <nealmcb> ajmitch: I've just been playing with the jeos stuff, and hearing questions about xen, and am wondering if folks have gutsy xen vms with optimized kernels
[03:09] <nealmcb> ajmitch: so what is the difference between that one and linux-image-xen?
[03:09] <ajmitch> 'that one' is 24kB
[03:10] <ajmitch> Depends: linux-image-xen (= 2.6.22.14.21), linux-restricted-modules-xen (= 2.6.22.14.21)
[03:10] <ajmitch> it just pulls in stuff that's useful
[03:12] <nealmcb> ahh - so the "complete" kernel pulls in restricted modules that the basic kernel image doesn't
[03:14] <ajmitch> it's a metapackage, so it only exists to depend on others
[03:15] <nealmcb> but my basic interest is in how e.g. the xen image differs from the virtual image (which is being used by ubuntu-jeos)
[03:16]  * ajmitch shrugs
[03:27] <nealmcb> soren: ^ on linux-image-xen vs linux-image-virtual
[03:27] <ajmitch> zul_ is probably the one to ask about xen stuff
[07:08] <c1|freaky> is there any good backup solution with a tutorial availabe for ubuntu 7.10 ... maybe with duplicity
[07:11] <c1|freaky> ?
[07:47] <m11> hi all
[08:22] <kraut> moin
[13:58] <Aw0L> I'm trying to join a domain with samba, but keep getting this: 'm trying to join a domain and keep getting this error: http://pastebin.ca/763437
[13:58] <Aw0L> my FQDN seems to be correct
[14:05] <sommer> Aw0L: have you configured kerberos?
[14:09] <Aw0L> sommer, yes, and I believe it's done correctly
[14:09] <Aw0L> after kinit, klist shows a ticket and expiration time
[14:09] <Aw0L> does say no tickets are cached thought
[14:09] <sommer> and you've setup the "administrator" account with smbpasswd ?
[14:10] <Aw0L> umm...nope apparently
[14:10] <Aw0L> the guide didn't mention that :)
[14:10] <sommer> you might give it a try then try the net ads join command again.
[14:12] <sommer> Aw0L: you might also check out this section of the Samba guide if you haven't: http://us1.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/domain-member.html
[14:13] <Aw0L> thanks
[15:43] <nealmcb> is there a server team meeting this morning in 20 minutes?  it is scheduled on the server team wiki, but not in the topic on #ubuntu meeting.  Or are too many people involved in the canonical all-hands meeting?
[15:51] <sommer> nealmcb: wondering that myself
[16:18] <nealmcb> dendrobates: howdy.  meeting today?
[16:18] <nealmcb> dendrobates: i.e. server team meeting 18 minutes ago?  or too busy with all-hands?
[16:26] <dendrobates> nealmcb: sorry we should have cancelled that.
[16:26]  * nealmcb nods
[18:44] <Centaur5> Why would I not be able to login via console on an LTSP client?  (I do have one other client working 100%)
[19:04] <nealmcb> Centaur5: what version? how do the clients differ?  Perhaps the user is in /etc/passwd on one and not the other?
[19:09] <Centaur5> nealmcb: The clients only differ in hardware.  I've tried logging in using the 3 users that I have setup and none of them work.  I tested those users on the working client.  I'm running Gutsy LTSP 5.0.39.
[19:10] <Centaur5> that was weird, I'll post again
[19:10] <Centaur5> nealmcb: The clients only differ in hardware.  I've tried logging in using the 3 users that I have setup and none of them work.  I tested those users on the working client.  I'm running Gutsy LTSP 5.0.39.
[19:11] <nealmcb> Centaur5: I forget how ltsp works, but wouldn't be surprised if you have the users configured on one machine but not the other.  or is ltsp supposed to share one passwd file among all clients?
[19:13]  * nealmcb thinks back and suspects that the passwd file is indeed shared....
[19:13] <Centaur5> I thought all the users shared between clients.
[19:13] <nealmcb> anything in /var/log/auth.log?
[19:19] <nealmcb> Centaur5: bryang knows lots more about it....
[19:20] <Centaur5> I grabbed another old machine and I'm testing it now.  Same problem.
[19:20] <bryang> Centaur5, you are having login problems ?
[19:20] <Centaur5> yeah
[19:20] <bryang> edubuntu (or just ltsp), and what version ?
[19:20] <Centaur5> I'm not seeing any activity in auth.log
[19:21] <Centaur5> LTSP installed on Xubuntu gutsy
[19:21] <Centaur5> 5.0.39
[19:21] <bryang> had you done any patching (and did you rebuild the chroot), plus update the ssh-keys ?
[19:22] <Centaur5> The only working client is running on SIS video chipset while the other 2 that won't load X are intel.
[19:22] <Centaur5> I didn't patch anything and I did update the keys a couple times to try testing that.
[19:22] <bryang> there has been a fair amount on that topic in the edubuntu-users mailing list -- have you scanned that ?
[19:23] <Centaur5> I've been googling for hours but I haven't tried the mailing list.
[19:24] <bryang> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-users/
[19:24] <bryang> so is that the clients don't load X, or that you can't login (or both) ?
[19:26] <Centaur5> It's both, they don't load X so if I hit Ctrl-Alt-F1 then I try to login it doesn't accept anything.
[19:27] <bryang> when you go into text mode, any useful info on the screen ?
[19:28] <Centaur5> It just lists the IP addresses from the DHCP server and the negotiation size
[19:32] <bryang> so no errors/warnings, right
[19:32] <Centaur5> nothing that looks bad
[19:33] <bryang> and the login you are attempting is a local (as in /etc/passwd) one ?
[19:33] <Centaur5> yes
[19:34] <bryang> which does work on the server, correct
[19:34]  * bryang apologizes if this is lots of rehash, I joined late in the conversation
[19:35] <Centaur5> Yes, those logins work on the server and on my LTSP client that has SIS video chipset.
[19:35] <bryang> and on the clients that don't have X, no login works at all ?
[19:35] <Centaur5> That's okay, after my hours of diagnosing I'm glad to have help.  :)
[19:35] <^robertj> are the items in the partner repository packaged by 3rd partys as well?
[19:39] <Centaur5> ^robertj: If that question is intended for me I do not know what you're referring to.
[19:39] <^robertj> Centaur5: was just a general question, I was wondering where the hold up with vmware-server was
[19:40] <Centaur5> I just tried a 4th client and this one doesn't have intel chipset but VIA and I still don't get X and can't login via console.
[19:41] <bryang> so server (with what graphics chipset) and SIS video clients do GUI/X, but nothing else you have tested ?
[19:42]  * musashi1 joins in the discussion. anyone want to recap?
[19:42] <bryang> and nothing besides server is allowing logins ?
[19:42] <bryang> musashi1, will send you log of what I have heard
[19:42] <musashi1> okay
[19:43] <Centaur5> Correct, I only have one working client that has SIS chipset and the other 3 tested clients (2 Intel 1 VIA) have no video or login capabilities.
[19:44] <bryang> and SIS client does (or does not) allow logins
[19:44] <Centaur5> Yes, the working client can login to all 3 accounts I created and runs everything fine.
[19:45] <musashi1> sorry if i'm rehashing but do they fail to log in with some sort of error or just a black screen and then maybe returned to the login screen?
[19:47] <Centaur5> They just say "login incorrect" and return to the login prompt
[19:47] <bryang> does your SIS client have higher res capabilities than the others (in other words were these clients known to work in previous LTSP setups) ?
[19:48] <Centaur5> I've never tested the 3 non-working clients with an alternate LTSP server.
[19:48] <musashi1> oh, yeah, we did have that issue. i'm not sure this is due to graphics chips (though i'm no expert). the black screen was a video card problem.
[19:49] <musashi1> trying to remember what the fix was for us
[19:49] <bryang> we had two video cards on those systems, tho correct ?
[19:49] <musashi1> right, switch cards and it worked
[19:50] <musashi1> but we didn't get the "login incorrect" error in this case
[19:50] <Centaur5> So do you want me to test a PCI video card instead of onboard?
[19:50] <bryang> Centaur5: anything similar for you (multiple graphics cards)
[19:50] <musashi1> you could
[19:50] <musashi1> in my case, moving back to the on board fixed it
[19:51] <musashi1> but like i said, we didn't have the same symptoms with respect to video card problems. yours sounds like a problem in the setup (bryang is the expert there)
[19:52] <musashi1> bryang: i got this error on the set up where where we pulled the pci-e nics and then added one back and configured it. in that case i got the couldn't login errors
[19:52] <musashi1> the fix involved rebuilding the kernel (though i don't remember the commands)
[19:53] <bryang> musashi1, couldn't quite recall the time sequence, thanks for joining/helping
[19:53] <musashi1> not sure it's the same issue...
[19:54] <musashi1> i just don't think you would get a "login incorrect" error because of the video card
[19:54] <musashi1> the real experts on this are in #edubuntu
[19:54] <bryang> nope, Centaur5 has two problems tho
[19:54] <musashi1> oh
[19:55] <Centaur5> okay, installed PCI card in and I now have video and login on that machine
[19:55]  * musashi1 welcomes Centaur5 to the club :)
[19:55]  * bryang nods in agreement with musashi1 re: experts
[19:55] <bryang> so Centaur5, good to go on a previously non-working client ?
[19:55] <Centaur5> Which makes me rather upset because I already tested with a different PCI graphics card 2 days ago.
[19:56] <musashi1> which problem did this fix?
[19:56]  * bryang thinks have multiple graphics cards is causing issues
[19:56] <nealmcb> Centaur5: that is scary - that login on console would fail because of the video card....
[19:56] <Centaur5> bryang: Yes sir, which is actually the only other one I cared about cause I only want 2 clients I was just testing with other old machines.
[19:56]  * nealmcb wonders what light #edubuntu folks could shed
[19:56] <Centaur5> If you want any further info for possible bug reports though let me know how to capture it and I'll help out.
[19:57] <bryang> if you get a minute, you might just want to post the situation/resolution to edubuntu-users mailing list
[20:00] <Centaur5> I am rather shocked the video card causes everything else to fail.
[20:00] <musashi1> yeah, i don't see the connection
[20:00] <bryang> on the other non-working client, can you just swap the video cable to the "other" card
[20:00] <Centaur5> The first PCI card I tested in this machine was an SIS chipset as well and it still didn't work.  The PCI video card that just made it function is an nivida geforce 4
[20:01] <bryang> we saw examples of built-in doing "boot" duties, and then pci card doing the X (so probably related to device enumeration)
[20:02] <musashi1> that would make sense if you had more than one but did he have more than one at first?
[20:03] <Centaur5> no, I was always attempting to use the onboard (I only have 3 PCI video cards on hand but now 2)
[20:06] <musashi1> but were any other cards install (even if unused)? if not, i don't see why enumeration would be an issue if there is just one
[20:06]  * bryang agrees 
[20:06]  * musashi1 feels validated :)
[20:07]  * bryang must have read two graphics cards all along
[20:08] <musashi1> so the computer is seeing things that aren't there? we are heading into a scary future...
[20:08] <Centaur5> I disabled every integrated device except for LAN and video but the intel video wouldn't work apparently.
[20:09] <Centaur5> I also didn't have any other expansion cards plugged in.
[20:12] <bryang> btw, Centaur5, what intel video are we talking about ?
[20:15] <Centaur5> bryang: MSI MS-6351 with Intel 815E chipset is the machine that I was most interested in.  Do you want info about the other 2 test clients I tried that had intel?
[20:16] <bryang> sure
[20:16] <bryang> then maybe I can find some local clients to test with
[20:18] <Centaur5> It appears the other machine that is a gateway has Intel 815 as well but I don't have a motherboard model #.
[20:19] <Centaur5> The Compaq with VIA VT8235 also didn't work.
[20:20] <musashi1> i'm not convinced this is a video card issue. all those chips have good support. however, if changing the video card fixes it then you can't argue with that.
[20:21] <musashi1> well, not sure about that specific VIA
[20:21] <Centaur5> I'm very shocked as well and I'm sure that there is something more to it.  That's why I provided the MB model # for the MSI so you can check it out.
[20:23] <Centaur5> Oh, I did forget that I left onboard audio enabled on the machines but all serial ports, parallel ports, ide controller, etc were disabled.
[20:44] <cwill747> so i'm trying to hook up the ubuntu server for the first time... and need to partition my hard drive. how much space does the server need?
[20:45] <fujin> Anyone hear familiar with ldap authentication?
[20:45] <fujin> I need to work out what is causing this
[20:45] <fujin> http://rafb.net/p/NCQ20Q67.html
[20:46] <Centaur5> Thanks everyone for the help getting my LTSP up and going.  I'll give the mailing list information about it later on.
[20:46] <bryang> thnx Centaur5
[20:47] <sommer> fujin: can you bind to your LDAP server using any user?
[20:47] <fujin> sommer: I can ldapsearch -x cn=aj from the user aj
[20:47] <fujin> http://rafb.net/p/bbIkA099.html
[20:48] <fujin> That what you mean?
[20:49] <sommer> fujin: pretty much.
[20:49] <fujin> well then, yes ;)
[20:49] <fujin> I'm not sure what could be causing this. going to check permissions on all my files
[20:50] <sommer> fujin: yep... you might try this: http://blog.herbertm.ca/articles/2007/06/04/libnss-ldap-conf-permissions-bug
[20:50] <sommer> seems similar to what you're experiencing
[20:50] <fujin> Heh
[20:51] <fujin> yep, I'm a tard.
[20:51] <fujin> chmod a+x /etc/libnss-ldap.conf
[20:51] <fujin> winner!
[20:51] <sommer> fujin: party!
[20:51] <fujin> thanks dude
[20:51] <sommer> np
[20:52] <cwill747> anybody know how much space a server needs for the partition?
[20:54] <sommer> cwill747: which one?  pretty much depends on what you want to do with the server
[20:55] <cwill747> sommer: Well i was just experimenting (i'm not very good with servers) but was trying to install the ubuntu 7.10 server
[20:55] <sommer> cwill747: ah... if you're going to put everything under on partition I'd recommend at least 4G.
[20:56] <sommer> the actual install will only use a couple hundred megs, but you'll want to add other things :)
[20:56] <cwill747> sommer: Thanks a lot
[20:56] <sommer> np
[20:56] <cwill747> I really wanted to access it from school (PuTTy) but just wanted to set it up first
[20:57] <somerville32> cwill747, You might set up your ssh server on port 80 than incase they have the ssh port blocked
[20:58] <sommer> hey somerville32
[20:58] <somerville32> hi sommer :)
[20:58] <cameron_> yeah that's probably a good idea
[20:59] <sommer> kind of cool how the doc discussion has kept going
[22:17] <nxvl> i'm not sure about the way to work on LP: #45944
[22:18] <nxvl> cause it's a little difficult to decide wich aplications won't make a sysadmin be angry if they are installed by default
[22:36] <nealmcb> bug 45944
[22:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 45944 in ubuntu-docs "Ubuntu Server Guide Not Installed On Servers" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/45944
[22:38] <nealmcb> nxvl: yeah - I know what you mean.  but I think a small text-mode web browser like lynx or w3m is sort of like vim these days - too small to worry about.  if I knew which one :-)
[22:39] <nxvl> nealmcb: mmmm, honestly i will prefer to have it in an info file
[22:40] <nealmcb> yeah - there is certainly precedence for that....
[22:40] <nealmcb> and info is small and won't involve "network client" risks
[22:40] <nxvl> yep
[22:40] <nxvl> that's what i mean
[22:40] <nxvl> :D
[22:41] <nxvl> you have to keep in mind that most of the sysadmin are paranoic people
[22:41] <nxvl> like me
[22:41] <nxvl> :D
[22:42] <nxvl> and i will really hate to have a lynx or w3m installed on one of my servers, thats why i have ssh and a desktop
[23:02] <nealmcb> so what do folks think of installing the server guide in texinfo format, and installing info by default?  bug 45944
[23:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 45944 in ubuntu-docs "Ubuntu Server Guide Not Installed On Servers" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/45944
[23:03] <somerville32> +1
[23:03] <nxvl> +1
[23:03] <sommer> +1 from me as well
[23:04] <nxvl> i have also send and e-mail to the list, so we can discuss it there, and more people can make an opinion
[23:06] <nealmcb> nxvl: good
[23:07] <fujin> meh
[23:07] <fujin> do not want
[23:07] <fujin> extraneous bloat
[23:09] <nealmcb> it could also be a tasksel option (guide plus info browser).  it would help to know the total size
[23:09] <somerville32> Omgz
[23:09] <somerville32> Bloat?
[23:10] <somerville32> You guys have lots of room in your image :P
[23:10] <fujin> lawl
[23:10] <fujin> but it's a waste
[23:10] <fujin> I've never used it
[23:12]  * somerville32 doesn't care.
[23:19]  * kgoetz looks at bug
[23:21] <kgoetz> is texinfo == 'info' command?
[23:21]  * kgoetz hates that tool
[23:28] <fujin> It's a little friendlier than man
[23:28] <fujin> the sub-menu thing is cool
[23:28] <fujin> the only time I've ever used it is info glibc "Name Switch Service"
[23:31] <kgoetz> its not my friend :(
[23:32] <somerville32> kgoetz, It doesn't bite.
[23:33] <kgoetz> somerville32: i find it har to navigate
[23:38] <nealmcb> kgoetz: well anyone can browse the stuff with another browser and format.  but what format should be shipped on the server install - that is the question, and I don't see better options
[23:39] <nealmcb> and I do like info....  which uses texinfo format....
[23:40] <Bambi_BOFH> frigging
[23:40]  * Bambi_BOFH hates you internet
[23:41] <Bambi_BOFH> no idea what causes the resets either :(