[00:01] <ochosi> TheSheep: hmm. my sources.list says universe is enabled.
[00:01] <ochosi> http://pastebin.ca/762906
[00:02] <TheSheep> ochosi: do an update
[00:02] <ochosi> TheSheep: done that quite often today already.
[00:03] <ochosi> TheSheep: in synaptic i can see the package but without version number and description. says "emerald" is only being referred to.
[00:04] <ochosi> TheSheep: could it be a problem that i was using beryl and emerald before and i only removed both of them after i upgraded?
[00:04] <TheSheep> archangelpetro: maybe try a different mirror?
[00:04] <TheSheep> argh
[00:05] <TheSheep> wrong nick, sorry
[00:05] <TheSheep> ochosi: try to demove the de. from your repo url
[00:05] <TheSheep> remove
[00:05] <ochosi> i tried slowakian, dutch, austrian, german repos...
[00:06] <TheSheep> try the main
[00:06] <TheSheep> without any prefix
[00:06] <ochosi> k
[00:07] <ochosi> hm, still the same...
[00:07] <ochosi> could there be any leftovers from emerald that prevent it from being found in the software channel?
[00:08] <ochosi> (although i have to say i "completely removed" emerald and did an apt-get autoclean afterwards
[00:08] <ochosi> )
[00:08] <TheSheep> ochosi: what does 'apt-cache search emerald' say?
[00:09] <ochosi> emerald - Decorator for compiz-fusion
[00:09] <ochosi> libemeraldengine-dev - Development files for emerald engines
[00:09] <ochosi> libemeraldengine0 - Decoration engines for compiz-fusion
[00:09] <ochosi> xemeraldia - not just another tetris clone
[00:09] <TheSheep> ok, ok
[00:09] <ochosi> rocksndiamonds - Arcade style game
[00:09] <TheSheep> ochosi: check 'apt-cache show emerald'
[00:09] <ochosi> that's what i see in synaptic too, but as i mentioned without description and version numbers
[00:09] <TheSheep> don't paste it here :)
[00:10] <TheSheep> I have version Version: 0.3~git20070717-0ubuntu1
[00:10] <TheSheep> same as ubotu
[00:10] <ochosi> well, yeah. says the same here
[00:10] <TheSheep> you're sure you spelled it right?
[00:11] <ochosi> you mean "emerald"?
[00:11] <TheSheep> yes
[00:11]  * TheSheep tries to install it
[00:11] <ochosi> i'm sure i spelled it correctly
[00:12] <TheSheep> ochosi: it works fine for me, it starts installation normally
[00:12] <TheSheep> ochosi: how do you exactly try to install it?
[00:13] <ochosi> i tried synaptic, add/remove, and of course "sudo apt-get install emerald"
[00:13] <TheSheep> ochosi: and what does that las one say?
[00:13] <TheSheep> last
[00:13] <ochosi> TheSheep: Package emerald is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[00:13] <ochosi> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[00:13] <ochosi> is only available from another source
[00:13] <ochosi> E: Package emerald has no installation candidate
[00:14] <TheSheep> ochosi: are you suere the 'sudo apt-get update' doesn't have any errors?
[00:15] <ochosi> TheSheep: yep
[00:16] <ochosi> TheSheep: either it's some stupid mistake on my side (although i tried to rule them out) or it's some weird bug... (although google doesn't say so. would be rather very individual bug then)
[00:18] <ochosi> TheSheep: the output of sudo apt-get update: http://pastebin.ca/762918
[00:18] <TheSheep> ochosi: maybe try and move the files from /var/lib/apt/lists and do an update again?
[00:19] <TheSheep> ochosi: all cache hits, it doesn't update anything
[00:19] <TheSheep> ochosi: did you change your system time recently?
[00:20] <archangelpetro> TheSheep, !!!
[00:20] <archangelpetro> :P
[00:20] <archangelpetro> pain
[00:20] <archangelpetro> ;)
[00:20] <archangelpetro> u gonna start all that again? :P
[00:20] <TheSheep> archangelpetro: sorry, a new keyboard is being shipped even as we speak
[00:21] <somerville32> archangelpetro, Maybe it is your mirror?
[00:21] <ochosi> TheSheep: system time: hm. nope, don't think so.
[00:21] <ochosi> TheSheep: i'll move the files...
[00:21] <archangelpetro> ehe my mirror is broken
[00:21] <archangelpetro> cuz i'm so fugly ;)
[00:21] <somerville32> Are you trying to install the emerald package?
[00:23]  * somerville32 pokes ochosi 
[00:23] <ochosi> somerville32: yep
[00:23] <somerville32> ochosi, What version of Xubuntu?
[00:24] <ochosi> somerville32: 7.10
[00:24] <ochosi> TheSheep: i removed the files, apt-get update went fine and i'm no further than before
[00:25] <TheSheep> ochosi: still all cache hits?
[00:26] <somerville32> Solution
[00:26] <somerville32> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=i386&file=pool%2Funiverse%2Fe%2Femerald%2Femerald_0.3~git20070717-0ubuntu1_i386.deb&md5sum=f6a5c6d5623cc28b86f4a8ed50d4ccb4&arch=i386&type=main
[00:26] <ochosi> TheSheep: no cache hits: http://pastebin.ca/762924
[00:27] <TheSheep> somerville32: that doesn't explain anything :)
[00:27] <somerville32> lol
[00:27] <somerville32> But it works
[00:27] <somerville32> ochosi, What is your mirror?
[00:27] <TheSheep> somerville32: irrelevant detail
[00:27] <TheSheep> somerville32: http://pastebin.ca/762924
[00:27] <ochosi> i tried quite many, e.g. # ubuntu.inode.at/ubuntu
[00:27] <somerville32> And when you open up software properties (applications > system > software properties), does it have them all checked off?
[00:28] <TheSheep> ochosi: say, do you have the version pinned for emerald?
[00:28] <ochosi> if checked off means ticked, then yes
[00:28] <ochosi> version pinned... hmm
[00:29] <TheSheep> ochosi: in synaptics, select the package, then go to the top menu and see 'force version'
[00:29] <ochosi> TheSheep: unfortunately not.
[00:30] <TheSheep> ochosi: does apt-cache show emereld show you the version?
[00:30] <ochosi> yes
[00:30] <TheSheep> which version does it show?
[00:30] <ochosi> Version: 0.3~git20070717-0ubuntu1
[00:31] <TheSheep> so, your package list is ok, apt-cache sees it good, but apt-get somehow fails to recognize it
[00:31] <TheSheep> ochosi: tried aptitude?
[00:33] <ochosi> tried synaptic and add/remove and aptitude, all giving basically the same output
[00:33] <TheSheep> ochosi: did you have emerald installed from some external source before?
[00:34] <TheSheep> ochosi: maybe it thinks the old emerald you had is newer than the one in repos?
[00:34] <TheSheep> ochosi: try forcing the version in synaptic
[00:35] <ochosi> TheSheep: forcing is not possible, and yes, i had emerald installed from some external source because it wasn't in feisty's repos (as far as i can remember)
[00:36] <somerville32> apt-get purge it?
[00:37] <ochosi> tried, but it is already goen
[00:37] <TheSheep> ochosi: maybe try to move the files /var/lib/dpkg/info/emerald.* somewhere and do an update...
[00:39] <ochosi> k
[00:39] <TheSheep> ubotu!
[00:39] <somerville32> Bye
[00:39] <TheSheep>  o/~
[00:40] <ochosi> actually there is no such package
[00:40] <ochosi> ah... file i mean
[00:40] <TheSheep> maybe that's why apt cannot find it
[00:40] <ochosi> the only emerald-related files on my laptop are:
[00:41] <ochosi> /home/ochosi/.emerald
[00:41] <ochosi> /usr/share/app-install/desktop/emerald-theme-manager.desktop
[00:41] <ochosi> /usr/share/app-install/icons/_usr_share_pixmaps_emerald-theme-manager-icon.png
[00:41] <TheSheep> ok, ok
[00:41] <TheSheep> somerville32: do you know where the files from /var/lib/dpkg/info/ normallycome from?
[00:43] <ochosi> would you send me yours?
[00:43] <somerville32> TheSheep, dpkg?
[00:43] <somerville32> ochosi, Send what?
[00:43] <ochosi> the var/lib/dpkg
[00:43] <somerville32> Why not just download the binary package and install it?
[00:43] <ochosi> the emerald dpkg/info file
[00:43] <somerville32> I already gave you the link
[00:43] <somerville32> :)
[00:44] <ochosi> yeah, actually i guess that's what i'll do. although this problem is weird and i'd like it resolved but i guess i've already spent more than enough time on that
[00:45] <TheSheep> ochosi: can you find emeral in /var/lib/dpkg/status ?
[00:45] <ochosi> hihi, it says: dependency not satisfiable (lib...)
[00:46] <somerville32> doh
[00:46] <TheSheep> well, 2am here, good night, gotta go to work today morning :)
[00:47] <ochosi> yes, thank you man!
[00:47] <somerville32> :)
[00:51] <Tony_> hello?
[00:51] <somerville32> Hello
[00:52] <Tony_> the cd is live right?
[00:53] <somerville32> Tony_, The desktop cd is, yes.
[00:53] <Tony_> i need help launching it, i have windows
[00:59] <somerville32> Tony_, What seems to be the problem?
[01:00] <somerville32> And just same my name correctly to get my attention if I stop responding :)
[01:01] <Tony_> windows asks me what program created the cd so it can launch it
[01:02] <somerville32> Tony_, You need to burn it to a cd as an ISO
[01:02] <somerville32> !burn
[01:02] <ubotu> CD/DVD Burning software: K3b (KDE), gnomebaker, serpentine, graveman, Nautilus cd burner (Gnome), gtoaster, xcdroast, cdrecord (terminal-based). Burning .iso files: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[01:03] <somerville32> See: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[01:03] <Tony_> i already burned it
[01:03] <Tony_> i cant launch it
[01:06] <Pumpernickel> It's a bootable cd.
[01:07] <Tony_> sooo, uhhh
[01:08] <somerville32> You might need to configure it to boot from the cd in your bios
[01:08] <somerville32> Do you know what the bios is?
[01:08] <Tony_> yes
[01:08] <Tony_> i'm not stupid
[01:08] <somerville32> Tony_, Smart people might know what the bios is :P
[01:08] <Tony_> how do you access it though?
[01:08] <somerville32> Tony_, It should say when you turn on your computer
[01:09] <somerville32> Usually F1, F2, or del
[01:09] <Tony_> i see bios on pc world all the time
[01:09] <Tony_> ok, i think it's f12
[01:09] <Tony_> ok, by
[01:09] <somerville32> bye
[01:15] <Tony_> hello again
[01:15] <somerville32> Tony_, Welcome back.
[01:15] <Tony_> which option should i enter?
[01:16] <Tony_> wait, i want to try again
[01:16] <Tony_> by
[01:29] <kupesoft> Is there a way to get NetworkManager to shutup about the keyring?
[01:31] <somerville32> kupesoft, Kill it? :]
[01:32] <kupesoft> Kill what?
[01:32] <somerville32> NetworkManager
[01:38] <ochosi> somerville32: sorry, i'm still here. well anyway, it seems that the dev of libemeraldengine is available
[01:38] <mahone> How can I configure in Xubuntu 7.04 automatic login, and automatic launch of some applications on login? In Ubuntu there's the "Session" applet in "Preferences"...
[01:39] <mahone> But I can't find anything similar in Xubuntu...
[01:39] <ochosi> somerville32: synaptic even shows me the version number and description, only the two packages that were installed in 7.04 from foreign sources are blank (emerald, libemeraldengine0)
[01:40] <ochosi> mahone: autostarted applications can be added via settings -> autostarted applications
[01:40] <mahone> ochosi: And automatic login?
[01:41] <ochosi> mahone: settings -> login window
[01:41] <mahone> ochosi: OK, thanks. I have also a question about APT...
[01:42] <ochosi> mahone: go ahead
[01:43] <mahone> I've seen that in the repositories of 7.10 there's an updated version of a software I need (MLDonkey 2.9), while in 7.04 repos it's still (and I guess will remain forever) at the old 2.8 version...
[01:43] <mahone> What happens if I changes the repos in /etc/apt/sources.list, but don't update the whole system?
[01:44] <mahone> Would this create compatibility problems/break something?
[01:44] <ochosi> mahone: i wouldn't do that. i would rather upgrade the one app you need by hand (either by compiling the source code or by simply using a .deb)
[01:44] <ochosi> mahone: afaik it could break your system
[01:46] <mahone> ochosi: OK, thanks.
[01:47] <ochosi> mahone: n.p.
[01:54] <ochosi> alright, anyone there?
[01:54]  * somerville32 hears echos.
[01:55] <ochosi> somerville32: would you mind sending me the *emerald*-files from /var/lib/dpkg/info ?
[01:56] <ochosi> somerville32: it seems i can't find them on the net and i still hope that could solve my problem
[02:07] <BlackCow> hello
[02:07] <somerville32> Hiya
[02:08] <BlackCow> I installed xubuntu on top of my ubuntu server edition and everything, for the most part, is peachy
[02:08] <BlackCow> but for some reason I cant make a short cut to the desktop
[02:08] <somerville32> Just open up search for applications
[02:08] <somerville32> and than drag it to the desktop
[02:09] <somerville32> Or right click the desktop and click create launcher
[02:09] <BlackCow> whats search for applications under?
[02:11] <somerville32> Accessories (appfind)
[02:12] <BlackCow> ah thank you
[02:13] <BlackCow> was driving me nuts, I was right clicking and it laucnhed the aplication instead of giving me options heh
[02:14] <BlackCow> so how would I add a shortcut to the top bar then?
[02:16] <somerville32> Same thing
[02:16] <somerville32> But goto applications > settings > desktop
[02:16] <somerville32> And there should be a checkbox in there
[02:16] <somerville32> Right click can show a context menu or the application menu
[02:17] <somerville32> Sounds like it is currently set to the application menu
[02:24] <BlackCow> erm, so that allows me to add icons to the top bar
[02:24] <BlackCow> side note: its very quite here
[02:27] <somerville32> Sleepy time
[02:27] <somerville32> :]
[02:27] <somerville32> It is much more active earlier
[02:28] <somerville32> BlackCow, Feel free to hang out here though
[02:28] <somerville32> Pretty good crowd here :)
[03:08] <kupesoft> The Xubuntu GDM greeter looks screwed up on 600x800, the fonts are bugged or something
[03:08] <kupesoft> how can I take a screenshot of gdm?
[03:09] <snerfu> I have a tiny screen, 800x480 native resolution, is there some way I can make it scroll to see aplications that are larger than the screen?
[03:11] <jargonjustin> Hi, I'm using Mythbuntu, which uses XFCE based off of Xubuntu, and was wondering what packages I should install to get the Xubuntu look-and-feel in XFCE?
[03:13] <somerville32> jargonjustin, I'm thinking xubuntu-default-settings
[03:16] <snerfu> is there some free clone of zork?
[03:18] <somerville32> snerfu, What is zork?
[03:19] <crimsun> one of the greatest text adventure games
[03:19] <snerfu> its an old text based rpg, one of the first, if not the first.
[03:19] <crimsun> I think it's abandonware now
[03:20] <crimsun> http://www.infocom-if.org/downloads/instructions.html
[03:21] <snerfu> I started making my own zork style game in python, but I thought it would be fun to play the original again
[03:21] <j1mc> hi all, does anyone have any experience connecting to a wpa-encrypted wifi connection via nm-applet?
[03:21] <j1mc> i'm running gutsy.
[03:21] <snerfu> sweet, thanks crimsun.
[03:22] <crimsun> j1mc: via the network-manager-gnome package?
[03:22] <snerfu> I connected to one today jlmc
[03:23] <j1mc> crimsun: yes.
[03:23] <crimsun> j1mc: yeah, I do, then.
[03:24] <somerville32> Heya j1mc :)
[03:24] <j1mc> hi somerville32
[03:24] <j1mc> crimsun: any advice?  nm-applet seems to offer a lot of different choices.
[03:24] <j1mc> i'm not sure where to enter my password and such.
[03:25] <crimsun> j1mc: you should be able to just enter the network name and the password
[03:25] <crimsun> j1mc: choose "automatic" for the type(s)
[03:25] <snerfu> i think I could run zork in dosbox mayb
[03:25] <j1mc> enter the network name?  not a username?
[03:26] <crimsun> j1mc: this is wpa "personal", correct?
[03:26] <j1mc> hm, wpa-radius.  let me see the different options.
[03:26] <crimsun> (as opposed to "enterprise")
[03:26] <j1mc> it comes up as enterprise, yeah.
[03:26] <snerfu> if you click on the applet and select the access point, it should already know the name of it and you just have to enter in the password.
[03:27] <crimsun> ok, so with wpa enterprise, just fill in the details you know
[03:28] <crimsun> that should be "Network Name", "Identity", "Password" at least
[03:28] <j1mc> what would "identity" be?  a username?
[03:28] <crimsun> yes, e.g., j1mc@foo.bar
[03:29] <j1mc> i don't think that i set up a username on the router, though.  i mean, other than the user/pass to log in to change the router settings.
[03:29] <crimsun> err, so you're using wpa enterprise on a wireless router?
[03:29] <crimsun> (doesn't matter, ultimately.  The procedure is identical.)
[03:30] <j1mc> yeah, at least that's how "wpa-radius" gets picked up by nm-applet
[03:30] <j1mc> ok.  thanks for your help, crimsun.  i'll give things another go.  :)
[03:30] <crimsun> np
[03:31] <j1mc> bbl... maybe.  :)
[03:47] <j1mc> crimsun: i was able to connect using 'wpa personal'
[03:47] <j1mc> thanks
[03:48] <somerville32> :)
[03:48] <somerville32> j1mc, Come help package! :)
[03:48] <crimsun> j1mc: yeah, I found it a bit intriguing that one would choose wpa enterprise...
[03:48] <j1mc> i did a manual configuration using nm-applet rather than try to let it configure things for me.
[03:48] <somerville32> nm-applet says I have no network devices
[03:48] <j1mc> i didn't really know what i was selecting before - there were so many options, and i didn't know which one to choose.
[03:49] <j1mc> somerville32: no packaging for me tonight, but thanks.
[03:49] <j1mc> what are you working on?
[03:49] <somerville32> Just getting xfwm4 uploaded
[03:49] <somerville32> err..
[03:49] <somerville32> xfce4-session
[03:50] <j1mc> ah, ok.  cool.
[03:50] <crimsun> pbuilder-time-stamp: 1194321015
[03:50] <crimsun> looks good
[03:51] <somerville32> crimsun, Awesome.
[03:51] <crimsun>   xfce4-session_4.4.1-2ubuntu1_source.changes: done.
[03:51] <crimsun> Successfully uploaded packages.
[03:51]  * somerville32 cheers.
[03:53] <j1mc> :)
[03:59] <chef_> hi I'm back
[03:59] <chef_> i managed to install the ubuntu-server version on my old 200mmx 64mbram machine
[03:59] <chef_> some more questions:
[03:59] <chef_> A. then I checked in with the name and password I selected due to the installation but now I don't know how to shutdown or reboot the system as I don't know the root password (for which I wasn't asked in the installation)
[03:59] <chef_> B. how can I find out what packages are installed and how do I change them
[03:59] <chef_> C. finally I used mc before (on an old suse-version) where do I find it for ubuntu
[04:00] <chef_> any help is appreciated specially to point a. as i can't turn of the machine :-)
[04:01] <somerville32> :)
[04:02] <somerville32> chef_: We use sudo
[04:02] <somerville32> just do: sudo <command>
[04:02] <somerville32> And it'll ask for your password. Use _your_ password
[04:03] <chef_> great it worked thank god :-)
[04:03] <j1mc> so, chef_ ... "sudo halt -p" would shut down the computer
[04:03] <somerville32> :)
[04:04] <somerville32> And you can use aptitude to see what packages are installed
[04:04] <j1mc> and "sudo reboot" would... um... reboot it.  :)
[04:05] <j1mc> chef_: what is "mc"?
[04:06] <somerville32> and you can install mc by typing: apt-get install mc
[04:06] <somerville32> j1mc, a "powerful file manager"
[04:06] <somerville32> chef_, You can also see #ubuntu-server for more help with the server install.
[04:09] <j1mc> i'm headed off to bed.  have a good night, all.  see you later, cody.
[05:22] <newbie23> I lost the connection (was chef) but back again
[05:22] <newbie23> as I have installed the server-edition (on the 200mmx machine) I try to get a ssh connection from another computer in the LAN via ssh using putty and WinSCP but the connection is refused
[05:22] <newbie23> Is there anything I have to do first?
[05:23] <somerville32> Is sshd installed?
[05:24] <newbie23> how can I find out? I just installed the ubuntu-server-disk
[05:26] <newbie23> i thought ssh is default
[05:27] <somerville32> Try sshing locally :]
[05:28] <somerville32> If it isn't installed type: apt-get install openssh-server
[05:29] <newbie23> sshing: command not found
[05:29] <somerville32> lol
[05:29] <somerville32> ssh localhost
[05:32] <newbie23> just entered the apt-get... and it's installing from the disk
[05:35] <newbie23> jippie a got a ssh connection! thx
[05:36] <somerville32> :D
[05:37] <somerville32> Happy to help
[05:40] <newbie23> I downloaded "mc_4.6.1-7ubuntu1_i386.deb" onto my windows machine as i now have a ssh-connection where can i put it for aptiture to recognize and install
[05:40] <somerville32> no need
[05:40] <newbie23> it
[05:40] <somerville32> type: sudo apt-get install mc
[05:42] <newbie23> E: Couldn't find package mc
[05:42] <somerville32> You need to enable universe.
[05:43] <somerville32> Edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:43] <somerville32> ie. type: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:43] <somerville32> Be careful in there
[05:44] <newbie23> what do i have to enter where?
[05:45] <merovingian58> question for someone: am trying to install xubuntu, but when I choose the install option, i get the splash screen and then after one minute the screen goes black and the install stops.  any thoughts?
[05:47] <somerville32> newbie23, You need to uncomment the "universe" section under the big block of text stating it is unsupported.
[05:47] <newbie23> it seams the "universe" lines are allready uncommeted
[05:48] <somerville32> Than you need to do: apt-get update
[05:48] <somerville32> err.. : sudo apt-get update
[05:51] <newbie23> okay it's downloading
[05:52] <newbie23> and then repeat "sudo apt-get install mc"?
[05:52] <somerville32> yup
[05:54] <newbie23> coooool...! thx again
[05:54] <somerville32> :)
[07:28] <Curley_Sue> hi. anyone knows how to avoid default deamons run upon boot (such as gconfd, networkmanager, gpm, gnome-keyring-manager...)
[07:30] <PegLeg> look at settings ->autostarted applications
[07:31] <zoredache> that won't really change anything....
[07:31] <Curley_Sue> can you do you have a cli tool?
[07:31] <zoredache> are you really sure you don't want those things?
[07:32] <zoredache> update-rc.d is the cli too
[07:32] <zoredache> tool*  or you can just manually remove the symlinks in /etc/rc2.d
[07:33] <Curley_Sue> zoredache: thanx! why do you think I should keep them?
[07:34] <zoredache> gnome keyring, and network manager are useful if you are using wireless
[07:34] <Curley_Sue> threethirty: it is probably done using update-rc.d or  manually removing the symlinks in /etc/rc2.d
[07:34] <Curley_Sue> sorry about the last one...
[07:34] <zoredache> keyring is also useful if you will be using encrypted volumes
[07:34] <zoredache> gpm is nice if you want to select things with the mouse at a terminal
[07:35] <zoredache> oh, and mostly, becuase if you don't know what you are doing you can really make a mess
[07:35] <zoredache> at least make a backup of etc before you start manually adjusting things there
[07:36] <Curley_Sue> zoredache: thanx! that is very helpful! I appreciate it!!
[07:38] <Curley_Sue> zoredache: shouldn't wifi-radar be less resources demanding that gnome-keyring and Network... I have never connected to encrypted networks or mounted such volumes (not that I know of). any good reason to have it run by default? isn't gpm for the tty (as the term-emulator under WM have regular mouse use)
[07:42] <Curley_Sue> zoredache?
[07:44] <TheSheep> zoredache: *removing* the symlinks is a bad idea
[07:46] <Curley_Sue> TheSheep: does this has to do with the previous disscusion? regarding default deamons at boot?
[07:48] <newbie23> trying torrents on my lan:
[07:48] <newbie23> I installed the bittornado pack, created a .torrent file on my windows-compi and copied it in the home/bittornado/torrentcache and now ... im lost :-(
[07:48] <newbie23> I have no idea what of all the bt* progs to use and what for and the faqs I found on the homepage weren't very helpfull
[07:48] <newbie23> Any suggestion?
[07:49] <Curley_Sue> newbie23: did u try bittornado? it is nice
[07:50] <Curley_Sue> newbie23: from the terminal use btdownloadgui.bittornado to run it
[07:50] <TheSheep> Curley_Sue: yes
[07:50] <newbie23> I just installed the pack but as I dont use a gui I have to figure out how to do it on the console
[07:50] <Curley_Sue> TheSheep: so how would u recommend changing what's on upon boot?
[07:51] <TheSheep> Curley_Sue: rename the links from Sxx to Kxx
[07:51] <Curley_Sue> TheSheep: thanx!
[07:51] <TheSheep> Curley_Sue: there is a program to do it
[07:51] <Curley_Sue> TheSheep: shouldn't wifi-radar be less resources demanding that gnome-keyring and Network... I have never connected to encrypted networks or mounted such volumes (not that I know of). any good reason to have it run by default? isn't gpm for the tty (as the term-emulator under WM have regular mouse use)
[07:51] <TheSheep> Curley_Sue: sysv-rc-conf
[07:52] <TheSheep> Curley_Sue: I don't know about network managers, never used any, gm is for console indeed
[07:53] <Curley_Sue> TheSheep: how do u wireless?
[07:54] <TheSheep> Curley_Sue: I don't
[07:54] <Curley_Sue> TheSheep: fair enough... ;-)
[07:57] <Curley_Sue> newbie23: have you checked man bittorrent-downloader.bittornado
[07:58] <PegLeg> anyone notice problems changing cursors, it keeps changing from the default and my selection depending on which window I hover over
[07:58] <PegLeg> Try deluge - seems real fast.
[07:59] <Curley_Sue> ciao all
[07:59] <Dark_Nexus> hello
[08:01] <Dark_Nexus> i am having some issues with keyboard shortcuts.  i have my xmodmap and everything set up, but everytime i log into xfce, i have to run xmodmap on that file, and then open up the keyboard shortcut settings manager and select my configuration by clicking on the name of the configuration.  this is kind of a pain and was wondering how i can automate it.
[08:02] <PegLeg> Dark_Nexus, maybe you could put into bashrc
[08:03] <Dark_Nexus> that would probably be a good idea
[08:03] <Dark_Nexus> i'll try that
[08:04] <Dark_Nexus> wont that only work after i open a terminal though?
[08:05] <TheSheep> bashrc is bad idea, try autostarted applications
[08:05] <Dark_Nexus> i tried that a while ago and no luck
[08:05] <PegLeg> try rc.local
[08:06] <Dark_Nexus> where's that at?
[08:06] <TheSheep> PegLeg: rc.local runs before X starts, and as root
[08:06] <Dark_Nexus> yeah that won't help then, i use a non-root account
[08:07] <PegLeg> i think i saw it at /etc/rc.local
[08:10] <PegLeg> Dark_Nexus, i would make a bash script executable, and put into autostart applications - it should work
[08:10] <Dark_Nexus> alright
[08:10] <Dark_Nexus> i just read something online that says xmodmap automatically uses the ~/.Xmodmap file when the session is started using startx or GDM/XDM/KDM
[08:10] <Dark_Nexus> so i'll try that first, if it doesn't work, i'll be back
[08:12] <PegLeg> anyone but me notice the mouse manager in xubuntu is not working in gutsy?
[08:14] <PegLeg> i've tried update-alternatives --config x-mouse-cursor and everything i can think of to get my cursor to stick, but it keeps changing.
[08:22] <newbie23_> have a nice day :-)
[08:33] <sahil> hey, for some reason in openoffice on xubuntu i dont have any icons
[08:33] <sahil> only text appears
[08:34] <sahil> for example instead of the the white icon for the new document button, it just says new
[08:34] <sahil> how can i fix this
[09:05] <zeroflag> I need a few hdparm commands to run at startup. where would I put them? (it seems the spindown settings have to be set every time)
[09:58] <doktoreas> hello everybod
[09:58] <doktoreas> i am going to move from ubuntu to xubuntu
[09:59] <doktoreas> i just wanna know if wireless detection uses the same approach
[11:04] <sjefen6> How do I take a screendump?
[11:16] <zeroflag> bin2iso is broken... any idea how to mount a .bin file directly? (it isn't corrupt. it works in daemon-tools/windows)
[11:28] <totalengage> zeroflag: try bchunk
[11:30] <zeroflag> totalengage: thanks.
[11:35] <totalengage> :]
[12:18] <hollunder> hi there, a strange thing happens to me when I try to delete folders from the terminal-emulation, the files don't get deleted and I don't get any error message..
[12:19] <hollunder> I could delete the same folder with thunar without problems
[12:21] <totalengage> do you use 'rm -r *folder'?
[12:21] <totalengage> (without * :P)
[12:22] <hollunder> uh, i think I found my mistake, I used --ignore-failure-on-non-emtpy :)
[12:23] <hollunder> uh, I didn't know rm workes for directories as well, I tried rmdir
[12:23] <totalengage> lol
[12:23] <hollunder> but I'm a tiny bit wiser now, thanks :)
[12:23] <totalengage> nah, you have to rm -r, it removes recursive
[12:24] <hollunder> that works, thanks :)
[12:25] <neozen> meeep
[12:25] <hollunder> do you happen to know stuff about thunar & imwheel?
[12:25] <neozen> ibm_acpi is goooone!
[12:25] <totalengage> t000t neozen
[12:25] <neozen> where's my darn /proc/acpi/ibm/light?
[12:32] <neozen> hi there totalengage
[12:34] <neozen> am tempted to do fresh install
[12:35] <neozen> this was an upgrade from feisty
[12:35] <neozen> oh well... time to head to work
[16:46] <thnee> has anyone had the problem that all keys doesnt change when you switch keyboard layout? i have one key that still behaves in swedish even though i changed to US
[16:50] <KBM> can any one help me, i was wondering if there were any drivers available to install usb wireless lan devices for linux
[17:29] <arin> #quit
[18:39] <slow-motion> hi
[18:39] <evil_tech> hola
[18:54] <pboyce> Hi can anyone help me with a problem?
[18:54] <evil_tech> whats the problem and we shall see
[18:55] <pboyce> Ok i just upgraded to 7.10 from7.04 and i can't get out of low res mode, i have nvidia 6800 card and am using the restricted drivers
[18:56] <pboyce> well i can't get higher than 800x600
[18:56] <evil_tech> have you tried reconfiguring x?
[18:56] <evil_tech> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[18:56] <pboyce> ok ill try that
[18:57] <evil_tech> anyone know where i can find a firefox icon with transparent background?
[18:58] <pboyce>                                                                       │
[18:58] <pboyce>  │ Users of PowerPC machines, and users of any computer with multiple video  ↑
[18:58] <pboyce>  │ devices, should specify the BusID of the video card in an accepted        ▮
[18:58] <pboyce>  │ bus-specific format.                                                      ▒
[18:58] <pboyce>  │                                                                           ▒
[18:58] <pboyce>  │ Examples:                                                                 ▒
[18:58] <TheSheep> evil_tech: /usr/share/pixmaps/
[18:58] <pboyce>  │                                                                           ▒
[18:58] <pboyce>  │  ISA:1                                                                    ▒
[18:58] <pboyce>  │  PCI:0:16:0                                                               ▒
[18:58] <pboyce>  │  SBUS:/iommu@0,10000000/sbus@0,10001000/SUNW,tcx@2,800000                 ▒
[18:58] <pboyce>  │                                                                           ▒
[18:58] <pboyce>  │                                                                           ▒
[18:58] <pboyce>  │ For users of multi-head setups, this option will configure only one of    ▒
[18:58] <evil_tech> ah what the heck is all that
[18:58] <pboyce>  │ the heads.  Further configuration will have to be done manually in the X  ▒
[18:58] <pboyce>  │ server configuration file, /etc/X11/xorg.conf.                            ↓
[18:58] <pboyce>  │                                                  got this meassage
[18:58] <somerville32> lol
[18:59] <pboyce> sorry
[18:59] <evil_tech> no prob
[18:59] <evil_tech> i did the same thing once
[18:59] <TheSheep> !pastebin | pboyce
[18:59] <ubotu> pboyce: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[18:59] <pboyce> it gave me that message but no results
[19:01] <evil_tech> thanks sheep
[19:01] <pboyce> wow paste.ubuntu-nl.org huh thats neet
[19:06] <pboyce> Ok maybe u can help with this i go to use nvidia setting in control panel and get this message in terminal error: nv-control extension not found onthis display amoung other errors
[19:07] <pboyce> also says can't determine number of nvidia gpus, frame lock or number of vcscs
[19:09] <klaxondaverow> holy fuck, I did it.
[19:09] <zoredache> klaxondaverow: you might want to watch your language....
[19:09] <klaxondaverow> will do!
[19:09] <somerville32> !ohmy
[19:09] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[19:10] <somerville32> :D
[19:10] <evil_tech> :D
[19:10] <pboyce> lol
[19:10] <skafiskafnjakX> hey guys how do I add that icon to terminate frozen application?
[19:10] <skafiskafnjakX> like with Ubuntu, you click it and than click non working application...
[19:11] <klaxondaverow> Quick question: Will Xubuntu have a PowerPC release for version 7.10?  Any ideas?
[19:12] <zoredache> I would guess not... I don't think ubuntu is officially supporting ppc anymore
[19:12] <klaxondaverow> I guess I gotta hit the listservs and e-mail the dev team to find out more?
[19:13] <zoredache> my experience has been that ubuntu has never been very stable on ppc hardware...
[19:13] <zoredache> I would suggest you consider debian, or perhaps one of distributions focused on ppc
[19:15] <pleia2> klaxondaverow: ubuntu stopped supporting ppc a couple releases ago
[19:15] <pleia2> that includes xubuntu
[19:16] <klaxondaverow> P and Z, thanks for your response!  I'll see what else I can gather
[19:24] <winkerbean> Hi, I just updated some apps using the Update Manager and now I can't print.  I just get "lpr: Error - scheduler not responding!" on the command line.
[19:24] <winkerbean> As a side note, I received word updates to cupsys and cupsys-bsd failed during the updating.
[19:36] <TheSheep> winkerbean: failed with what error?
[19:38] <winkerbean> TheSheep: Give me a sec to check here...
[19:39] <winkerbean> TheSheep: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 (for both cupsys and cupsys-bsd)
[19:39] <TheSheep> winkerbean: this needs to be fixed
[19:39] <TheSheep> winkerbean: anyhing more?
[19:40] <winkerbean> TheSheep: No, that's all it says.  I suppose I can redownload the prior cupsys and cupsys-bsd installation (I think it was 1.2.7) and everything should be ok, right?
[19:43] <TheSheep> winkerbean: I don't think so
[19:45] <winkerbean> TheSheep: Hmm.  Odd, I just did a "sudo ps -Al | grep cupsd" and saw cupsd is running.
[19:49] <zoredache> just a thought, but why not try running the post install script manualy as root and see if you can see what fails
[19:49] <zoredache> asin ... sudo /var/lib/dpkg/info/cupsys.postinst
[19:53] <winkerbean> zoredache: Thanx...I just tried it.  Nothing came up.  Still no such luck.  I noticed though, I can still print from other Terminal windows.  (Odd upon odd, eh?)
[19:56] <woodwizzle> Is there an icon theme for XFCE that uses the enlightenment icons?
[19:58] <somerville32> woodwizzle, I'm pretty sure the icon themes are the same ones gnome uses
[19:58] <somerville32> So if there is one for gnome, you can install it in xfce4
[20:03] <woodwizzle> somerville32: Yeah they are. But I haven't found one on gnome-look or xfce-look so I thought I'd ask in here
[20:04]  * somerville32 is no help.
[20:05] <winkerbean> Slightly off topic: I've noticed some statements (e.g., "ABC is no help", "X gives Y a hug", "P kisses Q").  How do I do that?
[20:05] <winkerbean> I mean, I know how to kiss a woman... ;)
[20:06] <somerville32> lol
[20:06] <somerville32> type: /me <action in third person>
[20:07]  * winkerbean I thank somerville32
[20:07] <somerville32> lol
[20:07]  * winkerbean thanks somerville32
[20:07] <somerville32> :D
[20:27] <johnstrauss> Hello, I have a problem. My kodak camera can not detected by my xubuntu 7.04. Why? My xubuntu can dectect Usb stick.
[20:28] <TheSheep> johnstrauss: kodak invented their own protocol for cmmunication with camera, it's not seen as a normal usb disk
[20:28] <somerville32> johnstrauss, Applications > Settings > Settings Manager
[20:28] <somerville32> johnstrauss, Than click file manager
[20:28] <johnstrauss> OK
[20:28] <somerville32> Click the advanced tab
[20:29] <somerville32> And than ensure that the "Enable volume management" tickbox is checked off
[20:29] <somerville32> Than click "advanced"
[20:29] <somerville32> err.. "configure"
[20:29] <somerville32> The blue link under the checkbox
[20:29] <somerville32> Than click the Camera tab
[20:30] <somerville32> Here you can configure an application to launch automatically  when you connect your camera.
[20:30] <s|k_> do any of you xubuntu users have ubuntu-desktop installed?
[20:30] <s|k_> because installing it caused serious errors on 7.10
[20:30] <somerville32> johnstrauss, I'm searching for an application that you can use. Please hold.
[20:31] <johnstrauss> Thank you very much.
[20:32] <somerville32> johnstrauss, There seems to be a small number of utilities available. Let me see if I can find one that sports a graphical user interface.
[20:32] <johnstrauss> How do you looking for this utilities?
[20:33] <somerville32> johnstrauss, I'm searching the Ubuntu application database.
[20:33] <somerville32> johnstrauss, gtkam appears to be something you could try
[20:33] <johnstrauss> Is there a link for Ubuntu application database?
[20:34] <TheSheep> johnstrauss: packages.ubuntu.com
[20:34] <johnstrauss> Thanks alot
[20:34] <somerville32> johnstrauss, Applications > System > Add/Remove
[20:35] <somerville32> johnstrauss, You can also use the command line utility apt-cache search
[20:43] <johnstrauss> OK, it is working.
[20:43] <johnstrauss> thanks
[20:45] <somerville32> johnstrauss, Awesome!
[20:45] <somerville32> johnstrauss, Feel free to hang around!
[20:47] <johnstrauss> How do you know what to do when met some problem  like this?
[20:48] <somerville32> johnstrauss, experience I guess :)
[20:48] <johnstrauss> Or you are one member in the ubuntu developing group?
[20:50] <somerville32> johnstrauss, That too
[20:50] <somerville32> lol
[20:51] <johnstrauss> OK, I will not waste your time...... Thanks again. Bye
[20:51] <somerville32> johnstrauss, You're not wasting my time :)
[20:51] <somerville32> I'm happy to help.
[20:54] <johnstrauss> Another problem puzzle me a long time.
[20:54] <johnstrauss> I am a Chinese.
[20:54]  * somerville32 nods.
[20:55] <johnstrauss> In some javascript in a website, some Chinese charactors can not be display correctly
[20:56] <johnstrauss> Would you like to help about this problem?
[20:57] <somerville32> johnstrauss, I'm not sure how to help you with that problem. You'll most likely want to visit the Chinese loco team IRC chat room for assistance as they'll have experience with that kind of problem.
[20:58] <johnstrauss> If you'd like, I can show you the web page. I used to ask the problem there. But They can not help much.
[21:00] <somerville32> johnstrauss, see #ubuntu-cn
[21:00] <johnstrauss> So after download the photo from the camera. How can I unmount the camera? just take the plug off?
[21:01] <somerville32> johnstrauss, Yes. But you should look for a "unmount" option somewhere to ensure you don't lose data!
[21:02] <johnstrauss> I see, "remove camera".
[21:04] <somerville32> Awesome
[21:04] <somerville32> Click that
[21:13] <johnstrauss> It seems that the gtkam is not very strong. It automatically quit.
[21:13] <somerville32> johnstrauss, hehe.
[21:13] <somerville32> johnstrauss, File a bug report! :]
[21:13] <johnstrauss> When I click right button of the mouse, it quit
[21:14] <somerville32> Ouch
[21:14] <somerville32> Atleast it is easily reproducible
[21:14] <somerville32> File a bug at http://bugs.launchpad.net and I'll fix 'er up!
[21:15] <johnstrauss> You have reproduce it ?
[21:15] <somerville32> johnstrauss, If the bug is easily reproducible on your system, I imagine I can too
[21:15] <somerville32> (on my system)
[21:18] <johnstrauss> I dont know whether it is caused by my camera. Because after gtkam quit, when I reopen gtkam it stoped when reloading the driver of the camera. I had to shutdown my camera and repower my camera to make it work again.
[21:19] <somerville32> johnstrauss, Please file a bug report.
[21:21] <johnstrauss> OK, I'll do it.
[21:21] <somerville32> Thank you.
[21:31] <johnstrauss> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtkam/+bug/160610
[21:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 160610 in gtkam "Kodak camera, gtkam automatically quit." [Undecided,New]
[21:31] <johnstrauss> OK
[21:31] <johnstrauss> my report
[21:32] <somerville32> Thanks! :)
[21:33] <johnstrauss> It is my reponsibity to report bugs.
[21:33] <slow-motion> n8
[21:35] <woodwizzle> Where is the session file so i can tweak how xfce starts up?
[21:37] <somerville32> ~/.Xauthority ?
[21:41] <TheSheep> no, /etc/xdg/something
[22:04] <somerville32> TheSheep, ping.
[22:05] <TheSheep> pong
[22:05] <somerville32> TheSheep, Where do themes go?
[22:08] <Ben_Cs> hello
[22:08] <TheSheep> somerville32: which themes?
[22:08] <Ben_Cs> long time haven't been here
[22:08] <somerville32> xfce4
[22:08] <somerville32> Ben_Cs, hey :)
[22:09] <TheSheep> somerville32: /usr/share/themes/ and ~/.themes/
[22:09] <TheSheep> somerville32: the quit buttoin bug is not gone
[22:09] <somerville32> TheSheep, no?
[22:10] <somerville32> TheSheep, xfce4 themes are just gtk2+ themes, right?
[22:10] <TheSheep> somerville32: no, I still have it about 1 time in 4 when selecting quit from the menu
[22:10] <TheSheep> somerville32: both
[22:11] <somerville32> TheSheep, Please reopen the bug and I'll see if I can fix it
[22:12] <TheSheep> how?
[22:13] <somerville32> Click the down arrow in the table
[22:14] <somerville32> And use the drop down to select confirmed.
[22:14] <TheSheep> ok
[22:14] <somerville32> TheSheep, How do you install icon themes?
[22:15] <TheSheep> somerville32: unpack them to ~/.icons or /usr/share/icons/
[22:15] <TheSheep> somerville32: and maybe regenerate the theme cache
[22:15] <somerville32> How do you do that?
[22:15]  * somerville32 is writing a factoid for it.
[22:16] <TheSheep> gtk-update-icon-cache directory-where-the-theme.index-is
[22:16] <TheSheep> but I think just unpacking them is enough
[23:40] <armin> hello ppl, the website of xubuntu still shows a link to the release candidate announcing site which holds a dead link to an /rc/ - as there is no need for this anymore, i think it should just be removed. is there anyone i should speak to about this? i don't consider it a major issue or something at all but i think it would make sense to remove it...
[23:41] <zoredache> it looks correct to me...
[23:42] <armin> uhm
[23:42] <evil_tech> same here
[23:42] <armin> well it shows "Xubuntu 7.10 "Gutsy Gibbon" Release Candidate now available" under "Latest News"
[23:42] <armin> in the right panel
[23:42] <zoredache> well that was a news item... and the released version is above it...
[23:43] <armin> zoredache: hmmm. i just thought it might confuse ppl :)
[23:43] <zoredache> it probably will, but I don't know anything about who maintains the site
[23:43] <somerville32> I maintain the website.
[23:44] <evil_tech> :)
[23:44] <somerville32> And in the future, you should file a bug against the xubuntu-website product on launchpad
[23:44] <armin> zoredache: well i entirely see your point and it is correct that old latest news entries will not disappear at all or something you know...
[23:44] <armin> somerville32: i considered so but i mean it just is not really a bug is it
[23:44] <somerville32> armin, It is the workflow. :)
[23:45] <armin> somerville32: maybe adding something like "obsolete, you should get 7.10 final _here_ (link) [RECOMMENDED]" or something would rather help
[23:45] <somerville32> I'll take a look in a moment :)
[23:45] <armin> i was just thinking about this a few seconds, don't take this too serious as i'm slightly drunk. :)
[23:45] <zoredache> somerville32: just a thought, why not put a link somewhere on the site about where to submit site-related bugs?
[23:46] <somerville32> zoredache, Excellent idea.
[23:46] <armin> also don't consider my comments as bitching or something, if you find it's correct the way it is, everything fine.
[23:46] <armin> zoredache: uhm yeah good idea
[23:47] <armin> somerville32: hm maybe one should just put a referrer site like "as RC is outdated, you will be forwarded to the final 7.10 gutsy gibbon download site" page or so
[23:47] <armin> hmm
[23:47] <armin> well anyone using linux will be smart enough to figure out what an RC is tho
[23:47] <armin> heh
[23:47] <armin> ok now for something completely different. :)
[23:47] <somerville32> armin, hehe. I don't have that impression at all - always feel free to share your ideas :)
[23:48] <armin> somerville32: cool :)
[23:48] <somerville32> Thats how the FOSS model works! :)
[23:50] <armin> hey right now i'm just running a normal ubuntu with a xfce4 installed on top which i HEAVILY customized to my needs and it is just PERFECT for me right now, i'm just wondering cause there are mixed entries from xfce, gnome AND kde in my settings submenu and i think that's a bit stupid, i mean okay it was an ubuntu and i just installed xfce and kde on top and now use xfce, but however, i mean, how does xubuntu handle all the config stuff, is there
[23:50] <armin> oops think that one was too long :)
[23:51] <zoredache> is there?
[23:51] <armin> hmm
[23:51] <armin> think so, should i do a screenshot?
[23:52] <zoredache> I think I missed part of the question
[23:52] <armin> dont have splitlong.pl on this client, sorry, can you tell me the last words from it?
[23:53] <zoredache> is there...
[23:53] <armin> ... is there a graphical frontend for all
[23:53] <armin>                the nice systemwide config stuff like in ubuntu, i mean for example
[23:53] <armin>                the power management stuff or something, did they create own
[23:53] <armin>                graphical config dialogs and i should seriously use xubuntu if i'm
[23:53] <armin>                an xfce addicted ubuntu user?
[23:53] <somerville32> armin, You can install the same utility used in ubuntu for Xubuntu
[23:54] <armin> somerville32: oh!
[23:54] <armin> :O
[23:54] <somerville32> Although I don't necessarily recommend it.
[23:55] <armin> somerville32: well right now i think i could also just backup /etc and /home and install a fresh xubuntu to this laptop, it's not much work and then i really just got it the way i want i guess....
[23:55] <armin> hmm
[23:56] <zoredache> if you have it the way you want it, why would you want to reinstall?
[23:56] <armin> good point
[23:57] <armin> there was a strange side-effect where i started a gnome app (not sure which one of those i started caused it) after which i wasnt able to access the desktop right click menu in xfce (which just shows my normal panel start menu so it was no problem)...wasn't able to reproduce the error tho...
[23:58] <somerville32> xfdesktop4 might have crashed
[23:58] <somerville32> And did you know there is a desktop context menu?
[23:58] <armin> somerville32: ah! :) thank you. :)
[23:58] <armin> somerville32: uhm that middle click menu you say?
[23:59] <armin> somerville32: coz right click brings up my applications menu
[23:59] <armin> i'm a bit noobish, sorry for that.