/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2007/11/07/#kubuntu-devel.txt

dasKreechfunky02:41
dasKreechI only get /parts /joins in this chan02:42
Hobbseebecause no one's talking?02:42
Jucatobecause no one's working? :)02:45
* Jucato runs away02:45
dasKreechNo as in all my other chans I have no clue how many people came and went02:45
dasKreech In #kde it's a blessing02:45
dasKreechgood lord that chan is busy .... and silent02:45
dasKreechbut I also missed Jucato's deft entry02:45
Jucato:P02:45
* dasKreech hugs Hobbsee as well02:56
* dasKreech washes off footjuice02:56
* Hobbsee hugs dasKreech02:57
jjessecan i get a hug?03:11
* Hobbsee hugs jjesse03:11
jjessewell all packed for my tirp03:12
* Jucato tries to hug jjesse03:12
* jjesse tries to hug back03:13
Hobbseewoot!03:13
jjessewow MS just fired its CIO for violating company polcies03:13
nosrednaekimCIO?03:13
nosrednaekimwow!03:13
Jucatohehehe03:13
nosrednaekimwhat did he do?03:13
JucatoI wonder what policies were those03:14
Jucatoprobably "working with Open Source groups"?03:14
nosrednaekimhe probably endorsed linux03:14
jjessei doubt that :)03:14
Jucatobtw jjesse, take care on your trip. and have fun (if you can :D)03:15
jjesseJucato: willdo i'll be online some03:15
Jucatoand if you meat Hobbsee face to face, please poke her for me :)03:15
Hobbsee:P03:15
Jucatorepeatedly...03:16
dasKreechhug failed03:24
dasKreechHobbsee: Why is that a whoot?03:24
HobbseedasKreech: that he's actually packed, so will have clothes and such while over here03:25
dasKreechJucato, jjesse: http://www.lefthandedtoons.com/73/03:25
dasKreechHobbsee: Oh wait read it all wrong I thought you wooted for the CIO getting kicked03:26
dasKreech Woot indeed03:26
Jucatohm. is it common practice to remove download links to a previous release, even if it is still supported? like for Feisty and Edgy?05:00
dasKreechlinks on the website?05:06
Jucatoyeah05:06
Jucatodownload links. anywhere05:06
dasKreechFar as I know the only edition that has had download links remain is the LTS05:15
Jucatothat's why I was asking :)05:16
Jucatoimho... it's weird.. saying it's supported for 18 months, but then downloads disappear after 6 :)05:16
dasKreechIt is supported05:23
dasKreech just ignored :)05:23
Tm_Taplg|mobile: how mobile?07:15
aplg|mobileTm_T: laptop mobile07:15
Tm_Thmh, not very mobile then07:16
Tm_TI'm on < 180 g mobile =)07:18
aplg|mobileTm_T: I got more mobile... haha :P07:34
Tm_Taplg|mobile: ?07:53
SeregaHi all!08:08
Jucatolo08:09
SeregaJucato: bad mood?08:10
Jucatonope08:10
Jucatohi - lo :)08:10
SeregaI understood :) just wondered why 'lo' instead of 'highest'! =)08:12
Jucatoah hahaha08:12
SeregaJucato: how do you thinks will kaffeine work with something else than xine ever?08:38
Serega*think08:39
Jucatonot really sure... I thought it works w/ GStreamer too...08:40
SeregaJucato: yeah, gstreamer is included08:41
SeregaJucato: question about the level for codecs autoinstallation08:41
Jucatoah...08:41
SeregaJucato: hardcode or generic way for all engines?08:41
* Jucato has no idea... sorry..08:42
SeregaJucato: ok, and how do you think have this changes a way to mainstream kaffeine source?08:43
SeregaRiddell: ping08:44
Tm_TSerega: depends how universal it is, it cant be distro pesific then08:44
Jucatopesific?08:44
SeregaTm_T: I asked this question to decide how universally to make :-D08:45
JucatoSerega: you might want to take a peak at how openSUSE 10.3 has implemented it...08:45
Tm_Tspecific =)08:45
Jucatouniversally... not really sure if Kaffeine is still maintained...08:45
Tm_TSerega: if its very universal, sure it can make in08:45
Jucatoit hasn't been ported yet either08:45
Tm_TJucato: it is maintained in some level08:45
Jucatoah I see08:46
Jucatogood(?) to know08:46
Tm_Tits good08:46
Seregaso I'll make it universally!08:46
Tm_Tjust hope see porting happening soon08:46
Seregathanks for advice08:46
* buz is wondering about some of the recent complaints about kubuntu shipping a non vanilla kde09:05
Jucatobuz: you only realized that now? :)09:06
buzno i was aware of it09:06
buzwhat i'm wondering about is more whether it would be feasible to have a very vanilla kde alongside of it09:06
buzi can see why kde devs would want the vanilla edition on their boxes09:06
Jucatofor various reasons... and not only devs... some users prefer vanilla too09:07
buzyeah09:07
buzi might even go for vanilla09:07
buzand ideally, you'd want to draw as much kde devs to kubuntu as possible09:07
Jucatowell there are quite a number (just check behindkde.org). they're just not that vocal about their distro of choice...09:08
buzyeah but quite a few complained about gutsy09:08
buzand i can see from where they are comin09:08
buzg09:08
Jucatowell gutsy is... um.. gutsy :)09:08
* Jucato observes that those people just complained about gutsy really... most had working feisty's...09:09
buzgutsy is kinda weird in my view09:09
buzi for one cant figure out what the d3lphin business is all about09:09
Jucatoit's.. um... gutsy :)09:09
buz(and for that matter, i could never figure out why konqui was ever split into file and web browser on kubuntu, i sure did away with that quickly)09:10
buzotoh, the decision to go with kdepim enterprise was a very  good one09:11
buzfinally kmail is quite useable09:11
Tonio_buz: I agree that dolphin shouldn't have been the default file manager09:15
Tonio_btw switching back to konq is easy so that's not a big big deal09:15
buzwell i sure had to google to figure out what happened09:15
buzimho, you shoudl be asked upon first login09:15
Jucatobuz: you'll learn that one of the "rules" in Kubuntu is "no first run wizards" :)09:17
Jucatothe other would be "no popups as much as possible" :P09:17
buzthats not really true09:17
buzthe kde first run wizard still popups09:17
buzas for pop ups, i usually agree09:17
Jucatothen you're definitely not running a default Kubuntu installation :)09:17
Jucatoexcept for a bug way back, kpersonalizer never starts up on Kubuntu09:18
buzif you're home is empty it popped up for me09:18
Jucatonothing to do with home actually... can't recall the details, but either kpersonalizer isn't installed by default, or it's disabled in startkde09:18
buzi'm sure i've seen it in the past09:19
Jucatoyeah. it was a bug09:19
mhbhi Riddell, we're going to get T-Shirts in November ... early Christmas gift10:50
mhbnixternal: perhaps we can do the text-popup on cursor hover and not as a gif animation? Perhaps that's what you meant and I just misunderstood10:51
mhbnixternal: talking about the website proposal, of course10:51
=== Lure_ is now known as Lure
Seregaguys, how to refresh KTrader services?11:32
* Serega meets Hobbsee11:33
Hobbseehiya Serega11:35
Tm_THobbsee: ooh ooh! can I get your autograph?!11:38
Tm_THobbsee: you met xp_killer/wii/nicio today <311:39
HobbseeTm_T: i did, yes.11:39
Tm_TI want too :(11:39
Hobbseeheh11:40
Hobbseesurely you dont11:40
Tm_TI do!11:40
Tm_THobbsee: I'm with stdin the ones who have watched him (way too) much =)11:40
SeregaTm_T: are you familiar with KDE development?11:42
Tm_Tdepends11:42
Tm_TI should be11:42
Tm_TSerega: yes?11:42
SeregaTm_T: I've put a proper blahblah.desktop into /usr/share/services but KTrader doesn't offer me that service11:43
SeregaTm_T: maybe I should 'refresh' it anyhow?11:43
Tm_Tkbuildsycoca?11:43
Seregajust run it?11:43
Tm_Tor some11:43
SeregaTm_T: doesn't help11:45
SeregaI also read man for it11:45
Tm_Thum11:45
Tm_Tdunno, #kde-devel =11:45
Seregamore, I've also did logout/login11:46
Seregathanks11:46
sahin_wAre there any plan to create an unofficial KDE4 install CD for 8.04?12:02
Hobbseeyes12:03
Hobbseehave been for ages12:03
sahin_wOh, nice!12:03
sahin_wJust one note for you, because you are the kubuntu developers...12:04
sahin_wI really like the Gutsy version.12:04
Tm_T:)12:05
sahin_wFirst I hate it. But I force myself to use dolphin and keep the default settings as possible.12:05
Tm_Thaha12:05
Serega:)12:06
sahin_wNow I have to say, I like dolphin.12:06
Tm_TI just dont have D3lphin at all12:06
* Tm_T is Konqueror poweruser12:06
sahin_wOk, I symlinked some konqueror service menu (krename for example).12:06
sahin_wOk, Konqueror is a super tool.12:07
Tm_Tit is12:08
sahin_wThe kdepim enterprise version is simply works better than the feisty version.12:09
SeregaTm_T: I catched it! =)12:09
Tm_TSerega: yes?12:10
JucatoTm_T: #kde is feeling the effects of yours and stdin's ban :)12:10
Tm_TJucato: I know12:10
Tm_TJucato: and soon he's banned there too12:10
SeregaTm_T: I didn't know about /usr/share/servicetypes :)12:10
SeregaTm_T: I add new type of service12:11
JucatoTm_T: unfortunately, #kde ops are a bit more lenient... he hasn't really done anything bannable (yet...)12:11
Jucatois bannable even a word?12:11
Tm_TJucato: it is now =)12:11
HobbseeJucato: who?12:11
Tm_TJucato: and yes he havent done yet12:11
Hobbseeoh, wii?12:12
Tm_THobbsee: xp_killer/wii/nicio12:12
Hobbseeyup12:12
JucatoHobbsee: because he's banned in *buntu... he asks distro questions in #kde12:12
Hobbseeyup12:12
Hobbseeof course.12:12
Hobbseegit.12:12
Jucatoso far he's only been able to annoy  me... I'm waiting for pinotree or annma to eKsplode12:12
Tm_TJucato: slap me every time you see him active12:13
Jucatoif you're awake...12:13
Tm_Tawake or not, just slap12:13
Serega/me dances around KTrader12:15
Serega/me dances around KTrader12:15
Seregahmm...12:15
Serega/me dances around KTrader12:16
Seregawhat happened?12:16
Serega/me tests12:16
JucatoSerega: where you pressing Ctrl+Enter instead of Enter only?12:17
Seregaooh... maybe12:18
Jucato:)12:18
* Serega has this habit :)12:18
Seregaso...12:18
* Serega dances around KTrader12:18
Jucatoif you're using Konvi, that would explain it12:18
Jucatoyou stumbled unto Konvi's relatively unknown feature12:19
Serega:) great12:19
Jucato!info ksystemlog12:19
ubotuksystemlog: system log viewer tool for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 0.3.2-1ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 203 kB, installed size 708 kB12:19
Jucatoah ksystemlog has a new upstream version. 0.4.112:19
freeflyingHobbsee: arounds?12:21
Hobbseefreeflying: nope :P12:21
freeflyingHobbsee: a patch for kopete, wanna apply it? solve the issue display nicklist when group chat12:22
Tm_Tfreeflying: ummm=12:23
Tm_Tfreeflying: what issue12:23
freeflyingTm_T: when you join a group chat in MNS protocol, the nicklist in the chat room can not be displayed12:24
Jucatoyep12:24
Jucatountil those people speak12:24
Tm_Tummm12:24
Tm_Twhy I havent seen that12:24
Jucatowhen someone joins in, you won't see his nick i n the list until he speaks12:24
Tm_Tfreeflying: like to show the diff?12:24
freeflyingTm_T: diff? like the way you use irc with kopete12:25
Tm_Tfreeflying: I mean that patch12:25
freeflyingTm_T: a moment12:26
Tm_Tthanks12:26
freeflyinghttp://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/371512:28
Tm_Tfreeflying: teeppäs "head foofoo.run" missä foofoo.run on se sinun paketti12:29
Jucatooh yeah.. Tm_T's the kopete-guy..12:29
Tm_Tnooooo12:29
Tm_Tfreeflying: sorry, me going mad12:29
freeflyingTm_T: :)12:30
Tm_Tbah12:30
freeflyingTm_T: hope it can help12:31
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* Jucato stumbles upon a news about Finland...12:32
buz/me wonders what ctrl enter does in konvi12:49
buzoh neat ;)12:49
buzso that it does ;)12:49
Jucatonow you know :)12:49
buzfound out by pure luck ;)12:50
JucatoI wasn't so lucky :)12:50
buzthis could serve to be useful12:50
Jucatosomeone had to point it out to me :)12:50
=== apachelogger_ is now known as apachelogger
* buz wonders some more about a plain vanilla kubuntu12:53
dasKreechinstall the KDE package maybe >12:53
dasKreech?12:53
Jucatoafaik, some are still patched... like Konqueror? (or was that on k-d-s only)12:55
buzdasKreech: i meant a kde without any patches12:59
mhbhmm, did anyone see or test the Serega's fix for Kaffeine?13:07
* mhb is really surprised over the mailing list announcement13:07
Hobbseemhb: i've yet to see it13:07
mhbI *really* hope he isn't pulling our leg :o)13:08
mhbI admit, I can be quite sceptical13:09
mhbsee you later folks, and if Serega comes in, ask him abou it13:10
buzwhat list was the announcement on13:20
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Ahmucki thought open office for kubuntu was to have it's own splash screen14:50
bddebianHeya14:54
Jucatohi bddebian (4 minutes late... sorry)14:58
Jucato/me wonders where nixternal is...14:58
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bddebianHeh, hi Jucato15:00
ScottKAhmuck: The fact that it doesn't is a bug.15:05
JucatoScottK: were you replying to someone in your e-mail about enabling mouse gestures by default?15:07
ScottKJucato: Yes.  There was a mail about it just a bit before.15:08
nosrednaekimwow... kudo to Serge!15:08
Jucatodang... I didn't seem to have received that15:08
Jucatooh Serega15:08
nosrednaekimyeah... ;)15:08
Jucato[21:07] <mhb> hmm, did anyone see or test the Serega's fix for Kaffeine?15:08
Jucato[21:08] * mhb is really surprised over the mailing list announcement15:08
* Serega blushed15:14
nosrednaekimSerega: hey...good job :D15:19
Lureany motu around that can test sru fix for bug 149321 ?15:19
ubotuLaunchpad bug 149321 in basket "[Gutsy] Basket notes is no longer embedded in kontact!" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/14932115:19
Hobbseesorry, not on gutsy :)15:20
Sereganosrednaekim: thanks, I'll try to keep :)15:21
LureHobbsee: I will stay on gutsy for some time, as I want it to be stable while I run kde4 desktop15:22
Luretwo unstable things at the same time would not be good idea15:22
Hobbseeyeah, that might be smart :)15:23
* Jucato turns on vbox...15:24
* Tm_T turns off monitor and heads out to make snow man15:24
JucatoTm_T: how are things there? hope you're far away from the school shooting15:25
Jucatofar far away15:25
nixternalno need to fear, for nixternal is here!15:49
nixternalmhb: I do no do gif animations15:49
nixternaldat be javascript15:49
nixternalI will leave the artwork up to the artists anyways15:50
nixternalso now we need to drag kwwii in to the pit15:50
Jucatoyay!!!!15:51
* Jucato was worried :P15:52
nixternalI was out all night last night, so I decided to skip a class this morning and sleep in a bit15:52
* Serega imagines the shinig new kubuntu.org15:52
Jucatohehe :)15:52
nixternalwent to a Christian college, and it looks like we will be rockin' the buntu there15:53
nixternalI couldn't believe how excited the students were, and quite a few of them did their homework and knew quite a bit about Linux before I even got there15:53
nosrednaekimSerega: so what do you need written? bash scripts to install codecs?15:53
Jucatokool15:53
Jucatonixternal: go Kubuntu pimp go! :)15:53
nosrednaekimnixternal: was it a scheduled presentation or something?15:54
Sereganosrednaekim: writing the script itself isn't a problem, its hard to decide what packages do we relly need15:54
Serega*really15:55
nosrednaekimSerega: libdvdcss isn't even in the repositories which  is kinda nasty.15:55
Sereganosrednaekim: another thing: you should help me with text on codec installation prompt dialog, I'm not too poetic ;)15:55
Jucato!info libdvdcss15:56
ubotuPackage libdvdcss does not exist in gutsy15:56
Jucatoyeah Seveas' repo..15:56
Sereganosrednaekim: I propose to install only libxine1-ffmpeg15:56
nosrednaekimSerega: sure...15:56
SeregaIt's enogh to play majority if videos15:56
Serega*enough15:56
nosrednaekimthats only for mpegs... you need a plugin for divx as well15:56
nosrednaekimand avi's in general15:57
Sereganosrednaekim: mmm... doesn't it handle divx?15:57
nosrednaekimSerega: no.... divx requires another whole package15:57
nosrednaekimlibavi something or other15:57
Sereganosrednaekim: another headache is naming of this stuff... :( divx codecs? mpeg codecs? they all in *.avi15:58
Seregaooh15:58
Seregaso maybe avi codecs15:58
Serega?15:58
nosrednaekimSerega: hmmm true.... and you are relying on the file name extentions?15:59
Seregano, I rely on inability to handle audio or video stream by xine engine15:59
Seregamaybe we should also check the extensions15:59
nosrednaekimah..ok16:00
nosrednaekimwait...I see libdvdcss2 in my repositories..16:00
SeregaI wish to organise something like code review by our most experienced developers to point on my possible mistakes16:01
nosrednaekimoh never mind... I manually installed it ;)16:01
nosrednaekimSerega: talk to Riddell about how to do that... i'm sure he would be very interested.16:01
Sereganosrednaekim: I like the idea to handle dvd support installation separately from divx and mpeg16:01
Sereganice16:02
nosrednaekimwell, yes, they are separate codecs so that would be needed. I don't think we should get all the codecs at once.16:02
nosrednaekimbut anyway, I have to go... good luck!16:03
Sereganosrednaekim: thanks, you too. bye!16:03
* Jucato wished he already much about code and Qt...16:04
* Hobbsee is still waiting to see a patch16:04
Jucato:)16:05
* Jucato though Hobbsee was already sleeping..16:05
Hobbseei should be...16:05
Hobbseebut i was at work tonight16:05
* Jucato hugs Hobbsee... does a triple backflip... and powerpokes her16:05
Hobbsee:D16:05
* Hobbsee tickles Jucato until he squeals16:05
* Jucato is asthmatic and dies instead :P16:06
Serega:))16:06
Jucatobtw, how did you know that I'm super ticklish? :)16:06
Hobbseeoh dear.  we killed him.16:07
Jucatohehe16:07
dasKreechYou bastards16:07
* Lure is asthmatic too, so please no tickling... 16:08
SeregaShe killed Jucato!16:08
JucatoLure!!! :)16:08
Jucatoheheh16:08
Serega:-D16:08
* Hobbsee gently tickles Lure16:08
dasKreechWith pokes of fury!16:09
HobbseeLure: when will i meet you?16:09
* Serega wants to watch South Park16:09
Jucatolol! that just sounded a bit... romantic..16:10
Jucato"when will I meet you?"16:10
* Hobbsee beats up Jucato16:10
JucatoI'm dead, remember? :)16:10
Hobbseethat doesnt seem to stop you from talking, and it doesnt stop me from beating you up :P16:11
ScottKAnd typing particulalry well considering16:11
Jucatolol :)16:11
Jucatoghost in the shell16:11
Jucatoer.. in the machine16:11
LureHobbsee: when I will be able to run fast enough... ;-)16:11
* Lure needs to practice more ;-)16:11
HobbseeJucato: i'm the purely evil, power hungry, sexy psycopathic bitch from au.  hwo is *anything* i say supposed to be taken romantically?16:11
HobbseeLure: heh :)16:11
Hobbseei think i missed a few.16:12
* Serega :-O16:12
Jucatohahah16:12
nixternalHobbsee: hahahaha16:12
Hobbsee:)16:12
* Serega is backstepping silently16:12
Hobbseeteeheehee...16:12
Jucato(now she admits to being sexy...)16:12
HobbseeJucato: no, that's how others quoted me.16:13
ScottKHobbsee: Ah, there are some people, that's just what they are looking for, so it doesn't get you out of it.16:13
Hobbseethose terms are all from other people16:13
nixternalya, we knew everything else :p16:13
Seregait is a trap16:13
Jucatothey forgot "dyslexic"...16:13
HobbseeScottK: yeah, point.16:13
nixternalhahahaha16:13
HobbseeJucato: so much typing has done it...16:13
Jucatoditot16:13
Jucatoer.. ditto16:13
* Hobbsee is not dyslexic.16:13
nixternaleesbboH is too16:13
* Hobbsee just cannot type well, particularly recently, with long nails.16:13
Jucatoooh. I need to cut mine tomorrow...16:14
* Jucato is lazy w/ nails... usually gets scolded every week16:14
nixternalgotta wait for mine to grow back so I can bite um some more16:14
Jucatohahah!16:14
* Jucato has always wondered why nail biting never caught on as a phenomenon over here..16:15
* Hobbsee --> bed16:15
Jucatok'nite Hobbsee!16:15
SeregaHobbsee: good night16:16
nixternalk'nite Hobbster16:16
Tm_Tmooh16:27
dasKreechbaah?16:28
Tm_Tthats the one16:28
Hobbseebling!16:28
Jucatosleep!!16:29
Jucato14 minutes ago  :P16:29
n8k99cannot change kdm back to default16:29
Tm_TJucato: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7082795.stm16:30
JucatoTm_T: yeah.. you're not anywhere near there right?16:30
Tm_Twhy asking?16:31
Jucatojust trying to make sure you're safe... it that's not too much to ask :)16:31
* Jucato shrugs..16:31
Tm_Tnope16:33
Tm_Tproblem is, I have waited this to happen16:33
* Riddell wanders in16:33
Tm_Tits not about one person, its about whole society16:33
* Jucato waves at Riddell16:33
Tm_Tbut this is offtopic so I stop here16:33
Tm_Tso no, I'm not safe16:34
Tm_Tnever been16:34
Jucato:(16:35
Tm_TJucato: why sad face?16:38
Jucatoyou're not safe. isn't that something to be sad about?16:38
Tm_Tno, more like, I'm as safe as I have always been16:40
Jucatook16:41
Tm_Tso no worry about16:42
Tm_T(more than usual)16:42
Jucatook16:42
dasKreechTm_T: Darwinism ?16:42
Tm_TdasKreech: no16:42
JucatoI'll keep that in mind16:42
dasKreechWhat about society?16:42
Tm_TdasKreech: I'm seeing bigger picture here, problem is that our lovely goverment is cutting out healthcare etc etc social funding16:43
dasKreechAnd that prompts shootings?16:43
Tm_Thave any idea how high murder and suicide rate we have?16:44
Tm_TIIRC highest in "western" world16:44
dasKreechYeah i know that16:44
dasKreechI assumed it was cause it was so high north16:44
Tm_TdasKreech: norway and most of canada is more north16:44
Tm_Tor iceland16:45
Tm_Tdo we really like talk about politics here? yes, this is sad thing, serious thing, but no, not something that does surprise me16:46
Tm_Tseen death enough in my life to know how bad it is16:46
dasKreechI live in a country that rivals iraq for murders16:47
RiddellSerega: so, when do we get to see the code?16:50
SeregaRiddell: we can to it today when I return from job16:51
SeregaRiddell: can you make something like code review?16:51
Serega*we make16:51
Seregatogether16:51
Seregaor with someone who wishes16:52
RiddellSerega: sure, just put the diff up somewhere16:53
Seregaok, nice16:53
Riddellbeing at a conference I'm busy at times, especially after 2000UTC today16:54
SeregaRiddell: I'll come back home about 3 hours later?16:54
Seregawill you be online?16:54
Seregaooh...16:54
Riddellwell I should be about until 210016:55
Riddelldepends how interesting the meeting is :)16:55
Seregaoh, good16:55
SeregaI'll stay online till 2300 at least16:55
Serega:)16:56
SeregaRiddell: there is an idea to install DVD support separately from divx/mpeg stuff16:57
RiddellSerega: from a technical view there would be a separate process since it needs to download the .deb from somewhere random, from a user view I think they should get all the install codecs stuff over in one go17:03
SeregaRiddell: maybe in some countries these packages have different law status17:04
* dasKreech ponders a Kubuntu GHNS server to pull codecs17:04
RiddellSerega: yes, the user needs to be asked if they want it17:05
Seregaone another thing: kaffeine (as amarok does) needs a restart after codec installing. I can organize engine reloading after such event to start playing immediately after codec installation as totem in ubuntu17:07
SeregaRiddell: does it make sense to do?17:07
RiddellSerega: that would be lovely to have17:08
Sereganice17:08
RiddellTonio_: seen that patch from the gentoo dude for knetworkmanager?17:09
Tonio_Riddell: just responded17:10
Tonio_Riddell: will be on contrib day on friday, I'll start to to this, as weel as the 1000 things on my todo for hardy :)17:10
Seregaknetworkmanager a bit strange behaviour of OK/Apply buttons of configuration dialog17:11
SeregaI press Apply and settings are applying, I press OK to close the dialog and settings are applying again17:12
RiddellSerega: that's normal behavious17:13
Riddellbehaviour17:13
SeregaI found it confusing17:13
Seregamy friends did too17:14
RiddellSerega: why?17:19
SeregaRiddell: dunno, it's just feeling :)17:19
SeregaRiddell: it is habit that OK just closes a dialog when Apply is grayed17:20
mhbhi Serega, could you put your patches to kaffeine somewhere so we can take a look at them? Or did you do that already?17:25
mhbSerega: I was really suprised over your announcement today, so I am really anxious to test it :o)17:26
Seregamhb: sure, I will. I just need to go home. Now I'm at job. You'll see it after 2100 UTC17:27
Seregamhb: Sorry for some emotional announcement :)17:28
mhbSerega: no problem, you've created some high expectations, so I hope your patches will fulfill them :o)17:29
mhbSerega: okay, just post a link here once you publish them17:29
* Serega is worried to disappoin all :S17:29
Serega*disappoint17:29
Tm_Tthat cant happen anymore17:30
Tm_Tnot saying we are that disappointed already, but very opposite I believe17:30
Seregamhb: could you give me an advice where to publish? I do not have own host17:30
mhbdon't worry, the only patches that disappoint me are those I promised to write but didn't :o)17:30
mhbSerega: if it is reasonably large, just use a pastebin for it17:30
Seregamkay17:31
mhbor you can send it via mail to the ML17:31
SeregaTm_T: If I could have knowledge how to do this, I should do this strictly after creation17:32
coreymonfinally, im back to using konv17:32
coreymonfink and macports have had major leopard issues17:32
dasKreechOh You are spotted now?17:32
coreymondasKreech: me?17:32
dasKreechyes17:33
coreymondasKreech: yup17:33
coreymondasKreech: im on leopard17:33
* Serega is sad17:33
coreymonSerega: ???17:33
* Serega does not want to look like a ugly boaster :'(17:33
coreymonSerega: i have a kubuntu box too17:33
coreymonSerega: i dont get it17:34
* dasKreech puts makeup on Serega17:34
dasKreechthere we go :)17:34
dasKreechfears allied17:34
coreymondasKreech: x11 ports have had major issues with leopard, they dont get along17:34
Seregacoreymon: Why to be sad from kubuntu box? O.o17:34
coreymondasKreech: so i havent been able to use konv on my lappy for a while17:35
coreymonSerega: why are you sad?17:35
coreymondasKreech: finally, a fix was released17:35
Seregacoreymon: I didn't shared patches, but have already announced them17:35
coreymondasKreech: so konv works, but still no gimp17:35
coreymonSerega: ???17:35
coreymonSerega: patches for what?17:36
Seregacoreymon: and I can't do it right now due to my job17:36
Seregacoreymon: kaffeine codec autoinstallation17:36
coreymonSerega: oh17:36
coreymonfor what>17:36
coreymon?17:36
coreymonim confused17:36
yuriyif in the apply/ok Serega is referring to knetworkconf module, then i agree, it is annoying and confusing17:36
coreymonkaffeine has is own codec?17:36
Seregayuriy: exactly17:37
Seregacoreymon: kafefine in kubuntu uses xine backend, so codecs are for libxine17:37
* Jucato scrolls up17:37
coreymonJucato: hey17:37
coreymonJucato: finally, im back on konvi17:37
Jucatoey! nice!17:38
* Jucato agrees w/ Serega and yuriy on the knm thingy17:38
Jucatowb coreymon :)17:38
coreymonJucato: after two weeks, finally a fix for the kdelibs problem in leopard was released17:38
Jucato(even if you're still on the Leopard...)17:38
coreymonJucato: i still have my kubuntu box17:38
coreymonJucato: and i still use it17:38
JucatoI know :)17:38
* Jucato was j/k17:38
dasKreechHow's Leopard?17:40
coreymongreat17:40
dasKreechthe desktops I hear are supposed to be better than KDEs17:40
coreymonscreen sharing is incredible17:40
coreymondasKreech: what, you mean spaces?17:40
dasKreechyeah17:40
coreymondasKreech: its definitely more feature filled17:40
dasKreechTime machine I'm meh about. It's not new it's just pretty17:41
dasKreechthe .. drawers? what are the stack things again ?17:41
coreymondasKreech: you can use expose while in the spaces window to show all the windows in a space, you can drag and drop programs form space to space17:41
dasKreechI'm interested in17:41
dasKreechcan't you do that in compiz as well?17:41
coreymondasKreech: you can even reorder entire spaces17:41
dasKreechand KDE 4 as I recall17:41
coreymondasKreech: oh, ya stacks17:41
coreymondasKreech: anything you want17:42
coreymondasKreech: documents folder, applications folder, anything17:42
dasKreechI know cause dwight <------ over there does it all the time17:42
* dasKreech goes back to read about it.17:42
coreymondasKreech: you drag it to your dock, and then whenever you click on it, all the contents of the folder spring up17:42
dasKreechSounds like Drawers from Gnome17:42
coreymondasKreech: similar probably17:43
coreymondasKreech: screen sharing is incredibly fast though17:43
coreymondasKreech: anyways, ill be back17:43
dasKreechWhat protocol do they use?17:43
coreymondasKreech: i just have to transfer from a pizza place i was eating lunch at, back to my school library17:43
coreymondasKreech: ill be back it a bit, okay?17:44
dasKreechsure17:44
coreymonbrb17:44
* Serega goes home17:44
* Jucato goes home17:46
Jucatoer... to bed17:46
dasKreechNight17:50
dasKreechOr morning more likely17:50
coreymon77back17:55
coreymon77dasKreech: im back now17:55
lnxkdehey guys17:55
dasKreechWheee17:55
dasKreech :)17:55
coreymon77btw17:56
coreymon77im curious17:56
coreymon77do any of you guys know if its possible to use tings such as konv on windows (my school library computers)17:56
yuriyit will be with konv for kde4...17:57
coreymon77or no17:57
coreymon77i know that17:57
Riddellin theory KDE 4 will work, in practice it probably takes some hassle currently17:57
yuriyotherwise... maybe with cygwin?17:57
coreymon77okay then17:57
coreymon77whens kde4 coming again?17:57
dasKreechYeah i expect it to be there for Linux in KDE 4.1 and for Others in 4.2 .. maybe 4.317:58
lnxkdejan 200817:58
dasKreechOne month17:58
dasKreechor jan 2008 if you follow lnxkde  :)17:58
coreymon77well theres a difference17:58
coreymon77ones december and ones january17:58
lnxkdeI dont think in one month coz the reales party will be in JAN17:58
lnxkdeand17:58
coreymon77whens the scheduled release?17:59
lnxkdewe are stuck at beta 4 no rcs around17:59
dasKreechpeople have no lives more than usual in Dec17:59
yuriyhmm konversation haven't started porting to kde4 have they17:59
lnxkdewell yeah maybe Dec ;)17:59
lnxkdeyuriy: No Idea17:59
yuriyas in, i don't see it in my svn checkout18:00
yuriyit should be in extragear?18:00
coreymon77yuriy: well, it will have to be for the release, wouldnt it18:00
coreymon77yuriy: isnt konv kdes standard irc client18:00
dasKreechNo they haven't18:00
dasKreechNo18:00
coreymon77so, you mean, konv wouldnt work in kde4 at first?18:01
lnxkdeyou will just have to get the kde3 libs18:02
lnxkde;)18:02
lnxkdeinstalled18:02
lnxkdeI think most of us will have both on the system untill KDE 4.1 I suppose18:02
dasKreechkonvi 4 will probably be a straight port of konvi318:02
coreymon77ahh windows18:10
coreymon77even manages to crash firefox18:10
dasKreechI can one up that'18:10
dasKreechI can get Firefox ot crash Alt+ctrl+del  in Vista18:11
coreymon77lol18:11
coreymon77vistas crap though18:11
coreymon77thats why the new windows share icon for finder in leopard is this18:13
coreymon77dasKreech: http://babygotmac.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/pcicon.png18:13
dasKreechQt18:14
Seregawho can help me to create a patch?? :(18:55
Riddelldiff -u18:55
Seregathis includes to patch things I haven't touch18:56
Seregasuch as configure.am etc18:56
Seregae.g. created patch starts with "diff -u kaffeine-0.8.5/acinclude.m4 kaffeine-0.8.5.orig/acinclude.m4"18:57
Seregabut I haven't changed it18:57
Seregawhere am I wrong?18:58
RiddellSerega: ah right, autoconf will do that19:01
RiddellSerega: if you know the files you've touched you can just select those files and do multiple diffs19:02
SeregaRiddell: ok19:02
SeregaRiddell: maybe it makes sense to use something like kdiff3?19:02
Riddellthat's unlikely to help19:03
Riddellyou can just do a big diff and I can ignore the cruft19:04
SeregaRiddell: I prefer to generate normal patch :)19:07
SeregaRiddell: give me a few minutes19:07
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SeregaRiddell: ugh... done19:24
SeregaRiddell: how to give it?19:24
SeregaRiddell: I'll try pastebin19:25
Seregahttp://pastebin.com/m5307210119:26
Seregaoops... missed to revert last change in diff...19:27
Seregahttp://pastebin.com/m5148b83319:29
SeregaRiddell: is it ok?19:30
RiddellSerega: from a quick eye over that's looking very good19:33
SeregaRiddell: do not believe :)19:33
SeregaRiddell: there is one ugly code duplication19:33
SeregaRiddell: I'll try to get rid of it19:33
Riddellso we just need to add a .desktop file with X-KDE-Kaffeine-codec and X-KDE-Kaffeine-engine and an Exec line?19:33
Seregatwo ones19:34
Seregaone .desktop is the servicetype and other is the service itserf19:34
Serega*itself19:34
SeregaRiddell: and I'm not sure about dialog messages, please correct it19:35
Riddellit doesn't include a question there19:37
Riddellcould this be expanded to add dvd css support?19:37
nixternalhowdy19:38
Riddellmorning nixternal19:38
Sereganixternal: hi19:38
SeregaRiddell: apparently yes, I need to test sympthoms of inability to play DVD19:39
SeregaRiddell: importrant thing! Kaffeine can't play own logo without libxine1-ffmpeg!19:42
Riddellhe he19:43
SeregaSerega: we should change /usr/share/apps/kaffeine/logo to prevent double asking for codecs19:43
Riddellwe patch it out so it doesn't play it19:43
Seregaoh, nice19:44
SeregaRiddell: oohhh... looks like I worked on unpatched version19:44
Riddellmake -f debian/rules apply-patches19:47
Seregain both directories as I understand?19:47
Seregahow is my diff's command line? :)19:48
SeregaRiddell: looks like I should add more code to DVDs19:59
SeregaRiddell: so should we handle all the codecs in one time?20:02
Serega*add more code to HANDLE DVDs20:03
RiddellSerega: I think one script should offer to install all the codecs it can20:04
SeregaRiddell: ok, DVDs playback problems will be handled by the same .desktop20:05
Riddellmay as well20:05
Riddellyes20:05
SeregaRiddell: nice20:06
SeregaRiddell: I start to work on handling DVDs20:06
SeregaRiddell: btw, debian/rules:3: /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk: No such file or directory20:07
SeregaRiddell: what can this mean?20:07
RiddellSerega: apt-get install cdbs20:08
RiddellSerega: apt-get install cdbs debhelper20:08
Seregathanks20:08
Seregals20:21
Serega/me missed window20:21
Seregawhere to get libdvdcss?20:56
SeregaE: Package libdvdcss has no installation candidate20:57
RiddellSerega: well that's the trouble, it has to be got from a URL21:01
SeregaRiddell: I've already googled21:01
marsSerega: on medibuntu21:02
SeregaRiddell: I've recently added the same feature for DVDs21:02
SeregaRiddell: yeah21:02
Sereganow I21:02
Sereganow I'll update the patch21:02
Riddellhttp://packages.medibuntu.org/pool/free/libd/libdvdcss/ has them21:02
SeregaRiddell: aha21:03
SeregaRiddell: can't we just enable medibuntu repos in adept as user allows?21:03
RiddellI don't think we should rely on it to that extent, we've no idea what else is in that repo21:05
SeregaRiddell: oops... installing libdvdcss2 didn't enabled DVD playback for me21:05
RiddellSerega: it also needs libdvdread321:05
Seregaoh21:06
Riddellwhich is in our archive21:06
Serega:)21:06
RiddellI can set up a forward on kubuntu.org to go to the latest libdvdcss21:06
Riddell(this is assuming we are allowed to point to it at all of course)21:06
nosrednaekimwhat does Gnome do?21:06
Riddellnothing21:06
Riddellyou need to install it manually21:07
nosrednaekimit doesn't autoinstall dvdcss?21:07
nosrednaekimah.. ok21:07
Riddellbut dvd menus don't work in gstreamer anyway21:07
Riddellok, I'm away for the rest of the day21:07
Riddellteambuilding excercises!21:07
SeregaRiddell: the same with libdvdread321:07
nosrednaekimSerega: are they properly installed?21:10
SeregaI thinks so, apt-get didn't reported any errors21:11
Sereganosrednaekim: maybe I chosed undecryptable DVD?21:11
Sereganosrednaekim: kafefine gives many "libdvdread: Error cracking CSS key for /VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.VOB (0x00000130)"21:12
Serega*choosed21:12
nosrednaekimSerega:  seems libDVDcss isn't installed correctly21:12
nosrednaekimSerega: its "chose";)21:12
Serega:))21:12
Seregathx21:12
Seregahow to install libdvdcss correctly?21:13
Sereganosrednaekim: I just done this: apt-get install libdvdcss221:14
nosrednaekimSerega: well, is it installed at all? try "apt-cache policy libdvdcss2"21:14
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Sereganosrednaekim:   Installed: 1.2.9-2medibuntu421:15
nosrednaekimhuh...21:16
nosrednaekimtry another dvd21:16
Serega:)21:17
Sereganosrednaekim: it will be third :)21:17
DaSkreechRiddell: It's my video cad causing the freezes21:17
DaSkreechcard.. though it is a cad21:17
nosrednaekimodd21:17
DaSkreechIt's not really freezing either Xorg just takes up 99% of the CPU21:17
DaSkreechattempting to kill it however does cause a full freeze21:18
nosrednaekimDaSkreech: are you running XGL or AIGLX?21:23
DaSkreechNo21:23
DaSkreechI did just accidently bump into a key ombo that apparently invokes the screensaver21:23
DaSkreech which is cool21:23
Sereganosrednaekim: I worry: 10 DVDs with no luck. even with one pirated DVD21:23
DaSkreechbut the screensaver was OpenGL which instantly freaked X out21:23
DaSkreechNormally it freezes when I mouse over the clock and get the popup21:24
nosrednaekimSerega: huh....your dvd drive ok?21:24
Seregayeah :)21:24
Sereganosrednaekim: I've been watching DVDs on feisty as well21:24
Seregasomething I missed21:25
Serega:)21:25
nosrednaekimthats odd..21:26
DaSkreechAlt+Ctrl+PgUp I think21:27
nosrednaekimctrl+alt+l?21:27
Sereganosrednaekim: LOL. libxine1-plugins and all 10 DVDs are fine :-D21:37
nosrednaekimSerega: haha21:38
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Sereganosrednaekim: more fun: metapackage libxine1-plugins installs package I can't suspect in DVD playback :)21:39
SeregaI couldn't21:40
Seregatill now :)21:40
nosrednaekimwhich is...21:40
user_damn you nosrednaekim21:43
user_Next time I'll just init 121:44
* user_ also notes that kpat needs a keyboard option21:44
nosrednaekimeh?21:44
nosrednaekimoh lol... seems user is DaSkreech21:45
Sereganosrednaekim: e.g. libxine1-gnome and libxine1-console21:45
nosrednaekimSerega: never know...one of them might try to go out and find the dvd codecs21:45
user_you knew I'd check it too :-p21:47
Sereganosrednaekim: however, autoinstall now works and for dvds! =)21:47
nosrednaekimSerega: sweet..21:47
* user_ can't wait till 8.1021:47
nosrednaekimuser_: you ever tryed Ctrl+alt+bkspace?21:47
user_nosrednaekim: keyboard is dead when ogl call is made21:48
user_I have to ssh in21:48
nosrednaekimuser_: disable openGL/use vesa21:48
user_and apparently if I try to use killor kill 9 on the offending x it really kills the machine21:48
user_ /etc/init.d/kdm stop is ignored21:49
user_haven't tried init 1 though21:49
* DaSkreech kicks user_ viciously22:01
* Serega is going to sleep22:27
Seregagood night, guys22:27
mhbhello22:48
* DaSkreech waves22:49
seeledoes anyone use skype?22:50
mhbon OS X only22:51
DaSkreechI hear the new LInux one has video22:54
mhbdoes it?22:54
DaSkreechYes22:54
DaSkreechThey claim :) I haven't installed it22:54
mhbI see, that's a nice feature, too bad I'm on 64-bit and unlikely to switch22:55
seelehmm23:04
imbrandonmhb, 32bit chroot :P23:07
mhbimbrandon: only if you could do that with two clicks :-( reboot works more reliable for me23:09
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* DaSkreech pastes Mez to the floor23:33
DaSkreechHey can the media player play Wav files?23:33
user_Nope23:58
user_init 1 doesn't work either :(23:58

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