[02:41] funky [02:42] I only get /parts /joins in this chan [02:42] because no one's talking? [02:45] because no one's working? :) [02:45] * Jucato runs away [02:45] No as in all my other chans I have no clue how many people came and went [02:45] In #kde it's a blessing [02:45] good lord that chan is busy .... and silent [02:45] but I also missed Jucato's deft entry [02:45] :P [02:56] * dasKreech hugs Hobbsee as well [02:56] * dasKreech washes off footjuice [02:57] * Hobbsee hugs dasKreech [03:11] can i get a hug? [03:11] * Hobbsee hugs jjesse [03:12] well all packed for my tirp [03:12] * Jucato tries to hug jjesse [03:13] * jjesse tries to hug back [03:13] woot! [03:13] wow MS just fired its CIO for violating company polcies [03:13] CIO? [03:13] wow! [03:13] hehehe [03:13] what did he do? [03:14] I wonder what policies were those [03:14] probably "working with Open Source groups"? [03:14] he probably endorsed linux [03:14] i doubt that :) [03:15] btw jjesse, take care on your trip. and have fun (if you can :D) [03:15] Jucato: willdo i'll be online some [03:15] and if you meat Hobbsee face to face, please poke her for me :) [03:15] :P [03:16] repeatedly... [03:24] hug failed [03:24] Hobbsee: Why is that a whoot? [03:25] dasKreech: that he's actually packed, so will have clothes and such while over here [03:25] Jucato, jjesse: http://www.lefthandedtoons.com/73/ [03:26] Hobbsee: Oh wait read it all wrong I thought you wooted for the CIO getting kicked [03:26] Woot indeed [05:00] hm. is it common practice to remove download links to a previous release, even if it is still supported? like for Feisty and Edgy? [05:06] links on the website? [05:06] yeah [05:06] download links. anywhere [05:15] Far as I know the only edition that has had download links remain is the LTS [05:16] that's why I was asking :) [05:16] imho... it's weird.. saying it's supported for 18 months, but then downloads disappear after 6 :) [05:23] It is supported [05:23] just ignored :) [07:15] aplg|mobile: how mobile? [07:15] Tm_T: laptop mobile [07:16] hmh, not very mobile then [07:18] I'm on < 180 g mobile =) [07:34] Tm_T: I got more mobile... haha :P [07:53] aplg|mobile: ? [08:08] Hi all! [08:09] lo [08:10] Jucato: bad mood? [08:10] nope [08:10] hi - lo :) [08:12] I understood :) just wondered why 'lo' instead of 'highest'! =) [08:12] ah hahaha [08:38] Jucato: how do you thinks will kaffeine work with something else than xine ever? [08:39] *think [08:40] not really sure... I thought it works w/ GStreamer too... [08:41] Jucato: yeah, gstreamer is included [08:41] Jucato: question about the level for codecs autoinstallation [08:41] ah... [08:41] Jucato: hardcode or generic way for all engines? [08:42] * Jucato has no idea... sorry.. [08:43] Jucato: ok, and how do you think have this changes a way to mainstream kaffeine source? [08:44] Riddell: ping [08:44] Serega: depends how universal it is, it cant be distro pesific then [08:44] pesific? [08:45] Tm_T: I asked this question to decide how universally to make :-D [08:45] Serega: you might want to take a peak at how openSUSE 10.3 has implemented it... [08:45] specific =) [08:45] universally... not really sure if Kaffeine is still maintained... [08:45] Serega: if its very universal, sure it can make in [08:45] it hasn't been ported yet either [08:45] Jucato: it is maintained in some level [08:46] ah I see [08:46] good(?) to know [08:46] its good [08:46] so I'll make it universally! [08:46] just hope see porting happening soon [08:46] thanks for advice [09:05] * buz is wondering about some of the recent complaints about kubuntu shipping a non vanilla kde [09:06] buz: you only realized that now? :) [09:06] no i was aware of it [09:06] what i'm wondering about is more whether it would be feasible to have a very vanilla kde alongside of it [09:06] i can see why kde devs would want the vanilla edition on their boxes [09:07] for various reasons... and not only devs... some users prefer vanilla too [09:07] yeah [09:07] i might even go for vanilla [09:07] and ideally, you'd want to draw as much kde devs to kubuntu as possible [09:08] well there are quite a number (just check behindkde.org). they're just not that vocal about their distro of choice... [09:08] yeah but quite a few complained about gutsy [09:08] and i can see from where they are comin [09:08] g [09:08] well gutsy is... um.. gutsy :) [09:09] * Jucato observes that those people just complained about gutsy really... most had working feisty's... [09:09] gutsy is kinda weird in my view [09:09] i for one cant figure out what the d3lphin business is all about [09:09] it's.. um... gutsy :) [09:10] (and for that matter, i could never figure out why konqui was ever split into file and web browser on kubuntu, i sure did away with that quickly) [09:11] otoh, the decision to go with kdepim enterprise was a very good one [09:11] finally kmail is quite useable [09:15] buz: I agree that dolphin shouldn't have been the default file manager [09:15] btw switching back to konq is easy so that's not a big big deal [09:15] well i sure had to google to figure out what happened [09:15] imho, you shoudl be asked upon first login [09:17] buz: you'll learn that one of the "rules" in Kubuntu is "no first run wizards" :) [09:17] the other would be "no popups as much as possible" :P [09:17] thats not really true [09:17] the kde first run wizard still popups [09:17] as for pop ups, i usually agree [09:17] then you're definitely not running a default Kubuntu installation :) [09:18] except for a bug way back, kpersonalizer never starts up on Kubuntu [09:18] if you're home is empty it popped up for me [09:18] nothing to do with home actually... can't recall the details, but either kpersonalizer isn't installed by default, or it's disabled in startkde [09:19] i'm sure i've seen it in the past [09:19] yeah. it was a bug [10:50] hi Riddell, we're going to get T-Shirts in November ... early Christmas gift [10:51] nixternal: perhaps we can do the text-popup on cursor hover and not as a gif animation? Perhaps that's what you meant and I just misunderstood [10:51] nixternal: talking about the website proposal, of course === Lure_ is now known as Lure [11:32] guys, how to refresh KTrader services? [11:33] * Serega meets Hobbsee [11:35] hiya Serega [11:38] Hobbsee: ooh ooh! can I get your autograph?! [11:39] Hobbsee: you met xp_killer/wii/nicio today <3 [11:39] Tm_T: i did, yes. [11:39] I want too :( [11:40] heh [11:40] surely you dont [11:40] I do! [11:40] Hobbsee: I'm with stdin the ones who have watched him (way too) much =) [11:42] Tm_T: are you familiar with KDE development? [11:42] depends [11:42] I should be [11:42] Serega: yes? [11:43] Tm_T: I've put a proper blahblah.desktop into /usr/share/services but KTrader doesn't offer me that service [11:43] Tm_T: maybe I should 'refresh' it anyhow? [11:43] kbuildsycoca? [11:43] just run it? [11:43] or some [11:45] Tm_T: doesn't help [11:45] I also read man for it [11:45] hum [11:45] dunno, #kde-devel = [11:46] more, I've also did logout/login [11:46] thanks [12:02] Are there any plan to create an unofficial KDE4 install CD for 8.04? [12:03] yes [12:03] have been for ages [12:03] Oh, nice! [12:04] Just one note for you, because you are the kubuntu developers... [12:04] I really like the Gutsy version. [12:05] :) [12:05] First I hate it. But I force myself to use dolphin and keep the default settings as possible. [12:05] haha [12:06] :) [12:06] Now I have to say, I like dolphin. [12:06] I just dont have D3lphin at all [12:06] * Tm_T is Konqueror poweruser [12:06] Ok, I symlinked some konqueror service menu (krename for example). [12:07] Ok, Konqueror is a super tool. [12:08] it is [12:09] The kdepim enterprise version is simply works better than the feisty version. [12:09] Tm_T: I catched it! =) [12:10] Serega: yes? [12:10] Tm_T: #kde is feeling the effects of yours and stdin's ban :) [12:10] Jucato: I know [12:10] Jucato: and soon he's banned there too [12:10] Tm_T: I didn't know about /usr/share/servicetypes :) [12:11] Tm_T: I add new type of service [12:11] Tm_T: unfortunately, #kde ops are a bit more lenient... he hasn't really done anything bannable (yet...) [12:11] is bannable even a word? [12:11] Jucato: it is now =) [12:11] Jucato: who? [12:11] Jucato: and yes he havent done yet [12:12] oh, wii? [12:12] Hobbsee: xp_killer/wii/nicio [12:12] yup [12:12] Hobbsee: because he's banned in *buntu... he asks distro questions in #kde [12:12] yup [12:12] of course. [12:12] git. [12:12] so far he's only been able to annoy me... I'm waiting for pinotree or annma to eKsplode [12:13] Jucato: slap me every time you see him active [12:13] if you're awake... [12:13] awake or not, just slap [12:15] /me dances around KTrader [12:15] /me dances around KTrader [12:15] hmm... [12:16] /me dances around KTrader [12:16] what happened? [12:16] /me tests [12:17] Serega: where you pressing Ctrl+Enter instead of Enter only? [12:18] ooh... maybe [12:18] :) [12:18] * Serega has this habit :) [12:18] so... [12:18] * Serega dances around KTrader [12:18] if you're using Konvi, that would explain it [12:19] you stumbled unto Konvi's relatively unknown feature [12:19] :) great [12:19] !info ksystemlog [12:19] ksystemlog: system log viewer tool for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 0.3.2-1ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 203 kB, installed size 708 kB [12:19] ah ksystemlog has a new upstream version. 0.4.1 [12:21] Hobbsee: arounds? [12:21] freeflying: nope :P [12:22] Hobbsee: a patch for kopete, wanna apply it? solve the issue display nicklist when group chat [12:23] freeflying: ummm= [12:23] freeflying: what issue [12:24] Tm_T: when you join a group chat in MNS protocol, the nicklist in the chat room can not be displayed [12:24] yep [12:24] until those people speak [12:24] ummm [12:24] why I havent seen that [12:24] when someone joins in, you won't see his nick i n the list until he speaks [12:24] freeflying: like to show the diff? [12:25] Tm_T: diff? like the way you use irc with kopete [12:25] freeflying: I mean that patch [12:26] Tm_T: a moment [12:26] thanks [12:28] http://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/3715 [12:29] freeflying: teeppäs "head foofoo.run" missä foofoo.run on se sinun paketti [12:29] oh yeah.. Tm_T's the kopete-guy.. [12:29] nooooo [12:29] freeflying: sorry, me going mad [12:30] Tm_T: :) [12:30] bah [12:31] Tm_T: hope it can help === mars_ is now known as marseillai [12:32] * Jucato stumbles upon a news about Finland... [12:49] /me wonders what ctrl enter does in konvi [12:49] oh neat ;) [12:49] so that it does ;) [12:49] now you know :) [12:50] found out by pure luck ;) [12:50] I wasn't so lucky :) [12:50] this could serve to be useful [12:50] someone had to point it out to me :) === apachelogger_ is now known as apachelogger [12:53] * buz wonders some more about a plain vanilla kubuntu [12:53] install the KDE package maybe > [12:53] ? [12:55] afaik, some are still patched... like Konqueror? (or was that on k-d-s only) [12:59] dasKreech: i meant a kde without any patches [13:07] hmm, did anyone see or test the Serega's fix for Kaffeine? [13:07] * mhb is really surprised over the mailing list announcement [13:07] mhb: i've yet to see it [13:08] I *really* hope he isn't pulling our leg :o) [13:09] I admit, I can be quite sceptical [13:10] see you later folks, and if Serega comes in, ask him abou it [13:20] what list was the announcement on === \sh_away is now known as \sh [14:50] i thought open office for kubuntu was to have it's own splash screen [14:54] Heya [14:58] hi bddebian (4 minutes late... sorry) [14:58] /me wonders where nixternal is... === \sh is now known as \sh_away [15:00] Heh, hi Jucato [15:05] Ahmuck: The fact that it doesn't is a bug. [15:07] ScottK: were you replying to someone in your e-mail about enabling mouse gestures by default? [15:08] Jucato: Yes. There was a mail about it just a bit before. [15:08] wow... kudo to Serge! [15:08] dang... I didn't seem to have received that [15:08] oh Serega [15:08] yeah... ;) [15:08] [21:07] hmm, did anyone see or test the Serega's fix for Kaffeine? [15:08] [21:08] * mhb is really surprised over the mailing list announcement [15:14] * Serega blushed [15:19] Serega: hey...good job :D [15:19] any motu around that can test sru fix for bug 149321 ? [15:19] Launchpad bug 149321 in basket "[Gutsy] Basket notes is no longer embedded in kontact!" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/149321 [15:20] sorry, not on gutsy :) [15:21] nosrednaekim: thanks, I'll try to keep :) [15:22] Hobbsee: I will stay on gutsy for some time, as I want it to be stable while I run kde4 desktop [15:22] two unstable things at the same time would not be good idea [15:23] yeah, that might be smart :) [15:24] * Jucato turns on vbox... [15:24] * Tm_T turns off monitor and heads out to make snow man [15:25] Tm_T: how are things there? hope you're far away from the school shooting [15:25] far far away [15:49] no need to fear, for nixternal is here! [15:49] mhb: I do no do gif animations [15:49] dat be javascript [15:50] I will leave the artwork up to the artists anyways [15:50] so now we need to drag kwwii in to the pit [15:51] yay!!!! [15:52] * Jucato was worried :P [15:52] I was out all night last night, so I decided to skip a class this morning and sleep in a bit [15:52] * Serega imagines the shinig new kubuntu.org [15:52] hehe :) [15:53] went to a Christian college, and it looks like we will be rockin' the buntu there [15:53] I couldn't believe how excited the students were, and quite a few of them did their homework and knew quite a bit about Linux before I even got there [15:53] Serega: so what do you need written? bash scripts to install codecs? [15:53] kool [15:53] nixternal: go Kubuntu pimp go! :) [15:54] nixternal: was it a scheduled presentation or something? [15:54] nosrednaekim: writing the script itself isn't a problem, its hard to decide what packages do we relly need [15:55] *really [15:55] Serega: libdvdcss isn't even in the repositories which is kinda nasty. [15:55] nosrednaekim: another thing: you should help me with text on codec installation prompt dialog, I'm not too poetic ;) [15:56] !info libdvdcss [15:56] Package libdvdcss does not exist in gutsy [15:56] yeah Seveas' repo.. [15:56] nosrednaekim: I propose to install only libxine1-ffmpeg [15:56] Serega: sure... [15:56] It's enogh to play majority if videos [15:56] *enough [15:56] thats only for mpegs... you need a plugin for divx as well [15:57] and avi's in general [15:57] nosrednaekim: mmm... doesn't it handle divx? [15:57] Serega: no.... divx requires another whole package [15:57] libavi something or other [15:58] nosrednaekim: another headache is naming of this stuff... :( divx codecs? mpeg codecs? they all in *.avi [15:58] ooh [15:58] so maybe avi codecs [15:58] ? [15:59] Serega: hmmm true.... and you are relying on the file name extentions? [15:59] no, I rely on inability to handle audio or video stream by xine engine [15:59] maybe we should also check the extensions [16:00] ah..ok [16:00] wait...I see libdvdcss2 in my repositories.. [16:01] I wish to organise something like code review by our most experienced developers to point on my possible mistakes [16:01] oh never mind... I manually installed it ;) [16:01] Serega: talk to Riddell about how to do that... i'm sure he would be very interested. [16:01] nosrednaekim: I like the idea to handle dvd support installation separately from divx and mpeg [16:02] nice [16:02] well, yes, they are separate codecs so that would be needed. I don't think we should get all the codecs at once. [16:03] but anyway, I have to go... good luck! [16:03] nosrednaekim: thanks, you too. bye! [16:04] * Jucato wished he already much about code and Qt... [16:04] * Hobbsee is still waiting to see a patch [16:05] :) [16:05] * Jucato though Hobbsee was already sleeping.. [16:05] i should be... [16:05] but i was at work tonight [16:05] * Jucato hugs Hobbsee... does a triple backflip... and powerpokes her [16:05] :D [16:05] * Hobbsee tickles Jucato until he squeals [16:06] * Jucato is asthmatic and dies instead :P [16:06] :)) [16:06] btw, how did you know that I'm super ticklish? :) [16:07] oh dear. we killed him. [16:07] hehe [16:07] You bastards [16:08] * Lure is asthmatic too, so please no tickling... [16:08] She killed Jucato! [16:08] Lure!!! :) [16:08] heheh [16:08] :-D [16:08] * Hobbsee gently tickles Lure [16:09] With pokes of fury! [16:09] Lure: when will i meet you? [16:09] * Serega wants to watch South Park [16:10] lol! that just sounded a bit... romantic.. [16:10] "when will I meet you?" [16:10] * Hobbsee beats up Jucato [16:10] I'm dead, remember? :) [16:11] that doesnt seem to stop you from talking, and it doesnt stop me from beating you up :P [16:11] And typing particulalry well considering [16:11] lol :) [16:11] ghost in the shell [16:11] er.. in the machine [16:11] Hobbsee: when I will be able to run fast enough... ;-) [16:11] * Lure needs to practice more ;-) [16:11] Jucato: i'm the purely evil, power hungry, sexy psycopathic bitch from au. hwo is *anything* i say supposed to be taken romantically? [16:11] Lure: heh :) [16:12] i think i missed a few. [16:12] * Serega :-O [16:12] hahah [16:12] Hobbsee: hahahaha [16:12] :) [16:12] * Serega is backstepping silently [16:12] teeheehee... [16:12] (now she admits to being sexy...) [16:13] Jucato: no, that's how others quoted me. [16:13] Hobbsee: Ah, there are some people, that's just what they are looking for, so it doesn't get you out of it. [16:13] those terms are all from other people [16:13] ya, we knew everything else :p [16:13] it is a trap [16:13] they forgot "dyslexic"... [16:13] ScottK: yeah, point. [16:13] hahahaha [16:13] Jucato: so much typing has done it... [16:13] ditot [16:13] er.. ditto [16:13] * Hobbsee is not dyslexic. [16:13] eesbboH is too [16:13] * Hobbsee just cannot type well, particularly recently, with long nails. [16:14] ooh. I need to cut mine tomorrow... [16:14] * Jucato is lazy w/ nails... usually gets scolded every week [16:14] gotta wait for mine to grow back so I can bite um some more [16:14] hahah! [16:15] * Jucato has always wondered why nail biting never caught on as a phenomenon over here.. [16:15] * Hobbsee --> bed [16:15] k'nite Hobbsee! [16:16] Hobbsee: good night [16:16] k'nite Hobbster [16:27] mooh [16:28] baah? [16:28] thats the one [16:28] bling! [16:29] sleep!! [16:29] 14 minutes ago :P [16:29] cannot change kdm back to default [16:30] Jucato: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7082795.stm [16:30] Tm_T: yeah.. you're not anywhere near there right? [16:31] why asking? [16:31] just trying to make sure you're safe... it that's not too much to ask :) [16:31] * Jucato shrugs.. [16:33] nope [16:33] problem is, I have waited this to happen [16:33] * Riddell wanders in [16:33] its not about one person, its about whole society [16:33] * Jucato waves at Riddell [16:33] but this is offtopic so I stop here [16:34] so no, I'm not safe [16:34] never been [16:35] :( [16:38] Jucato: why sad face? [16:38] you're not safe. isn't that something to be sad about? [16:40] no, more like, I'm as safe as I have always been [16:41] ok [16:42] so no worry about [16:42] (more than usual) [16:42] ok [16:42] Tm_T: Darwinism ? [16:42] dasKreech: no [16:42] I'll keep that in mind [16:42] What about society? [16:43] dasKreech: I'm seeing bigger picture here, problem is that our lovely goverment is cutting out healthcare etc etc social funding [16:43] And that prompts shootings? [16:44] have any idea how high murder and suicide rate we have? [16:44] IIRC highest in "western" world [16:44] Yeah i know that [16:44] I assumed it was cause it was so high north [16:44] dasKreech: norway and most of canada is more north [16:45] or iceland [16:46] do we really like talk about politics here? yes, this is sad thing, serious thing, but no, not something that does surprise me [16:46] seen death enough in my life to know how bad it is [16:47] I live in a country that rivals iraq for murders [16:50] Serega: so, when do we get to see the code? [16:51]