[02:41] <dasKreech> funky
[02:42] <dasKreech> I only get /parts /joins in this chan
[02:42] <Hobbsee> because no one's talking?
[02:45] <Jucato> because no one's working? :)
[02:45]  * Jucato runs away
[02:45] <dasKreech> No as in all my other chans I have no clue how many people came and went
[02:45] <dasKreech>  In #kde it's a blessing
[02:45] <dasKreech> good lord that chan is busy .... and silent
[02:45] <dasKreech> but I also missed Jucato's deft entry
[02:45] <Jucato> :P
[02:56]  * dasKreech hugs Hobbsee  as well
[02:56]  * dasKreech washes off footjuice
[02:57]  * Hobbsee hugs dasKreech
[03:11] <jjesse> can i get a hug?
[03:11]  * Hobbsee hugs jjesse
[03:12] <jjesse> well all packed for my tirp
[03:12]  * Jucato tries to hug jjesse
[03:13]  * jjesse tries to hug back
[03:13] <Hobbsee> woot!
[03:13] <jjesse> wow MS just fired its CIO for violating company polcies
[03:13] <nosrednaekim> CIO?
[03:13] <nosrednaekim> wow!
[03:13] <Jucato> hehehe
[03:13] <nosrednaekim> what did he do?
[03:14] <Jucato> I wonder what policies were those
[03:14] <Jucato> probably "working with Open Source groups"?
[03:14] <nosrednaekim> he probably endorsed linux
[03:14] <jjesse> i doubt that :)
[03:15] <Jucato> btw jjesse, take care on your trip. and have fun (if you can :D)
[03:15] <jjesse> Jucato: willdo i'll be online some
[03:15] <Jucato> and if you meat Hobbsee face to face, please poke her for me :)
[03:15] <Hobbsee> :P
[03:16] <Jucato> repeatedly...
[03:24] <dasKreech> hug failed
[03:24] <dasKreech> Hobbsee: Why is that a whoot?
[03:25] <Hobbsee> dasKreech: that he's actually packed, so will have clothes and such while over here
[03:25] <dasKreech> Jucato, jjesse: http://www.lefthandedtoons.com/73/
[03:26] <dasKreech> Hobbsee: Oh wait read it all wrong I thought you wooted for the CIO getting kicked
[03:26] <dasKreech>  Woot indeed
[05:00] <Jucato> hm. is it common practice to remove download links to a previous release, even if it is still supported? like for Feisty and Edgy?
[05:06] <dasKreech> links on the website?
[05:06] <Jucato> yeah
[05:06] <Jucato> download links. anywhere
[05:15] <dasKreech> Far as I know the only edition that has had download links remain is the LTS
[05:16] <Jucato> that's why I was asking :)
[05:16] <Jucato> imho... it's weird.. saying it's supported for 18 months, but then downloads disappear after 6 :)
[05:23] <dasKreech> It is supported
[05:23] <dasKreech>  just ignored :)
[07:15] <Tm_T> aplg|mobile: how mobile?
[07:15] <aplg|mobile> Tm_T: laptop mobile
[07:16] <Tm_T> hmh, not very mobile then
[07:18] <Tm_T> I'm on < 180 g mobile =)
[07:34] <aplg|mobile> Tm_T: I got more mobile... haha :P
[07:53] <Tm_T> aplg|mobile: ?
[08:08] <Serega> Hi all!
[08:09] <Jucato> lo
[08:10] <Serega> Jucato: bad mood?
[08:10] <Jucato> nope
[08:10] <Jucato> hi - lo :)
[08:12] <Serega> I understood :) just wondered why 'lo' instead of 'highest'! =)
[08:12] <Jucato> ah hahaha
[08:38] <Serega> Jucato: how do you thinks will kaffeine work with something else than xine ever?
[08:39] <Serega> *think
[08:40] <Jucato> not really sure... I thought it works w/ GStreamer too...
[08:41] <Serega> Jucato: yeah, gstreamer is included
[08:41] <Serega> Jucato: question about the level for codecs autoinstallation
[08:41] <Jucato> ah...
[08:41] <Serega> Jucato: hardcode or generic way for all engines?
[08:42]  * Jucato has no idea... sorry..
[08:43] <Serega> Jucato: ok, and how do you think have this changes a way to mainstream kaffeine source?
[08:44] <Serega> Riddell: ping
[08:44] <Tm_T> Serega: depends how universal it is, it cant be distro pesific then
[08:44] <Jucato> pesific?
[08:45] <Serega> Tm_T: I asked this question to decide how universally to make :-D
[08:45] <Jucato> Serega: you might want to take a peak at how openSUSE 10.3 has implemented it...
[08:45] <Tm_T> specific =)
[08:45] <Jucato> universally... not really sure if Kaffeine is still maintained...
[08:45] <Tm_T> Serega: if its very universal, sure it can make in
[08:45] <Jucato> it hasn't been ported yet either
[08:45] <Tm_T> Jucato: it is maintained in some level
[08:46] <Jucato> ah I see
[08:46] <Jucato> good(?) to know
[08:46] <Tm_T> its good
[08:46] <Serega> so I'll make it universally!
[08:46] <Tm_T> just hope see porting happening soon
[08:46] <Serega> thanks for advice
[09:05]  * buz is wondering about some of the recent complaints about kubuntu shipping a non vanilla kde
[09:06] <Jucato> buz: you only realized that now? :)
[09:06] <buz> no i was aware of it
[09:06] <buz> what i'm wondering about is more whether it would be feasible to have a very vanilla kde alongside of it
[09:06] <buz> i can see why kde devs would want the vanilla edition on their boxes
[09:07] <Jucato> for various reasons... and not only devs... some users prefer vanilla too
[09:07] <buz> yeah
[09:07] <buz> i might even go for vanilla
[09:07] <buz> and ideally, you'd want to draw as much kde devs to kubuntu as possible
[09:08] <Jucato> well there are quite a number (just check behindkde.org). they're just not that vocal about their distro of choice...
[09:08] <buz> yeah but quite a few complained about gutsy
[09:08] <buz> and i can see from where they are comin
[09:08] <buz> g
[09:08] <Jucato> well gutsy is... um.. gutsy :)
[09:09]  * Jucato observes that those people just complained about gutsy really... most had working feisty's...
[09:09] <buz> gutsy is kinda weird in my view
[09:09] <buz> i for one cant figure out what the d3lphin business is all about
[09:09] <Jucato> it's.. um... gutsy :)
[09:10] <buz> (and for that matter, i could never figure out why konqui was ever split into file and web browser on kubuntu, i sure did away with that quickly)
[09:11] <buz> otoh, the decision to go with kdepim enterprise was a very  good one
[09:11] <buz> finally kmail is quite useable
[09:15] <Tonio_> buz: I agree that dolphin shouldn't have been the default file manager
[09:15] <Tonio_> btw switching back to konq is easy so that's not a big big deal
[09:15] <buz> well i sure had to google to figure out what happened
[09:15] <buz> imho, you shoudl be asked upon first login
[09:17] <Jucato> buz: you'll learn that one of the "rules" in Kubuntu is "no first run wizards" :)
[09:17] <Jucato> the other would be "no popups as much as possible" :P
[09:17] <buz> thats not really true
[09:17] <buz> the kde first run wizard still popups
[09:17] <buz> as for pop ups, i usually agree
[09:17] <Jucato> then you're definitely not running a default Kubuntu installation :)
[09:18] <Jucato> except for a bug way back, kpersonalizer never starts up on Kubuntu
[09:18] <buz> if you're home is empty it popped up for me
[09:18] <Jucato> nothing to do with home actually... can't recall the details, but either kpersonalizer isn't installed by default, or it's disabled in startkde
[09:19] <buz> i'm sure i've seen it in the past
[09:19] <Jucato> yeah. it was a bug
[10:50] <mhb> hi Riddell, we're going to get T-Shirts in November ... early Christmas gift
[10:51] <mhb> nixternal: perhaps we can do the text-popup on cursor hover and not as a gif animation? Perhaps that's what you meant and I just misunderstood
[10:51] <mhb> nixternal: talking about the website proposal, of course
[11:32] <Serega> guys, how to refresh KTrader services?
[11:33]  * Serega meets Hobbsee
[11:35] <Hobbsee> hiya Serega
[11:38] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: ooh ooh! can I get your autograph?!
[11:39] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: you met xp_killer/wii/nicio today <3
[11:39] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: i did, yes.
[11:39] <Tm_T> I want too :(
[11:40] <Hobbsee> heh
[11:40] <Hobbsee> surely you dont
[11:40] <Tm_T> I do!
[11:40] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: I'm with stdin the ones who have watched him (way too) much =)
[11:42] <Serega> Tm_T: are you familiar with KDE development?
[11:42] <Tm_T> depends
[11:42] <Tm_T> I should be
[11:42] <Tm_T> Serega: yes?
[11:43] <Serega> Tm_T: I've put a proper blahblah.desktop into /usr/share/services but KTrader doesn't offer me that service
[11:43] <Serega> Tm_T: maybe I should 'refresh' it anyhow?
[11:43] <Tm_T> kbuildsycoca?
[11:43] <Serega> just run it?
[11:43] <Tm_T> or some
[11:45] <Serega> Tm_T: doesn't help
[11:45] <Serega> I also read man for it
[11:45] <Tm_T> hum
[11:45] <Tm_T> dunno, #kde-devel =
[11:46] <Serega> more, I've also did logout/login
[11:46] <Serega> thanks
[12:02] <sahin_w> Are there any plan to create an unofficial KDE4 install CD for 8.04?
[12:03] <Hobbsee> yes
[12:03] <Hobbsee> have been for ages
[12:03] <sahin_w> Oh, nice!
[12:04] <sahin_w> Just one note for you, because you are the kubuntu developers...
[12:04] <sahin_w> I really like the Gutsy version.
[12:05] <Tm_T> :)
[12:05] <sahin_w> First I hate it. But I force myself to use dolphin and keep the default settings as possible.
[12:05] <Tm_T> haha
[12:06] <Serega> :)
[12:06] <sahin_w> Now I have to say, I like dolphin.
[12:06] <Tm_T> I just dont have D3lphin at all
[12:06]  * Tm_T is Konqueror poweruser
[12:06] <sahin_w> Ok, I symlinked some konqueror service menu (krename for example).
[12:07] <sahin_w> Ok, Konqueror is a super tool.
[12:08] <Tm_T> it is
[12:09] <sahin_w> The kdepim enterprise version is simply works better than the feisty version.
[12:09] <Serega> Tm_T: I catched it! =)
[12:10] <Tm_T> Serega: yes?
[12:10] <Jucato> Tm_T: #kde is feeling the effects of yours and stdin's ban :)
[12:10] <Tm_T> Jucato: I know
[12:10] <Tm_T> Jucato: and soon he's banned there too
[12:10] <Serega> Tm_T: I didn't know about /usr/share/servicetypes :)
[12:11] <Serega> Tm_T: I add new type of service
[12:11] <Jucato> Tm_T: unfortunately, #kde ops are a bit more lenient... he hasn't really done anything bannable (yet...)
[12:11] <Jucato> is bannable even a word?
[12:11] <Tm_T> Jucato: it is now =)
[12:11] <Hobbsee> Jucato: who?
[12:11] <Tm_T> Jucato: and yes he havent done yet
[12:12] <Hobbsee> oh, wii?
[12:12] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: xp_killer/wii/nicio
[12:12] <Hobbsee> yup
[12:12] <Jucato> Hobbsee: because he's banned in *buntu... he asks distro questions in #kde
[12:12] <Hobbsee> yup
[12:12] <Hobbsee> of course.
[12:12] <Hobbsee> git.
[12:12] <Jucato> so far he's only been able to annoy  me... I'm waiting for pinotree or annma to eKsplode
[12:13] <Tm_T> Jucato: slap me every time you see him active
[12:13] <Jucato> if you're awake...
[12:13] <Tm_T> awake or not, just slap
[12:15] <Serega> /me dances around KTrader
[12:15] <Serega> /me dances around KTrader
[12:15] <Serega> hmm...
[12:16] <Serega> /me dances around KTrader
[12:16] <Serega> what happened?
[12:16] <Serega> /me tests
[12:17] <Jucato> Serega: where you pressing Ctrl+Enter instead of Enter only?
[12:18] <Serega> ooh... maybe
[12:18] <Jucato> :)
[12:18]  * Serega has this habit :)
[12:18] <Serega> so...
[12:18]  * Serega dances around KTrader
[12:18] <Jucato> if you're using Konvi, that would explain it
[12:19] <Jucato> you stumbled unto Konvi's relatively unknown feature
[12:19] <Serega> :) great
[12:19] <Jucato> !info ksystemlog
[12:19] <ubotu> ksystemlog: system log viewer tool for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 0.3.2-1ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 203 kB, installed size 708 kB
[12:19] <Jucato> ah ksystemlog has a new upstream version. 0.4.1
[12:21] <freeflying> Hobbsee: arounds?
[12:21] <Hobbsee> freeflying: nope :P
[12:22] <freeflying> Hobbsee: a patch for kopete, wanna apply it? solve the issue display nicklist when group chat
[12:23] <Tm_T> freeflying: ummm=
[12:23] <Tm_T> freeflying: what issue
[12:24] <freeflying> Tm_T: when you join a group chat in MNS protocol, the nicklist in the chat room can not be displayed
[12:24] <Jucato> yep
[12:24] <Jucato> until those people speak
[12:24] <Tm_T> ummm
[12:24] <Tm_T> why I havent seen that
[12:24] <Jucato> when someone joins in, you won't see his nick i n the list until he speaks
[12:24] <Tm_T> freeflying: like to show the diff?
[12:25] <freeflying> Tm_T: diff? like the way you use irc with kopete
[12:25] <Tm_T> freeflying: I mean that patch
[12:26] <freeflying> Tm_T: a moment
[12:26] <Tm_T> thanks
[12:28] <freeflying> http://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/3715
[12:29] <Tm_T> freeflying: teeppäs "head foofoo.run" missä foofoo.run on se sinun paketti
[12:29] <Jucato> oh yeah.. Tm_T's the kopete-guy..
[12:29] <Tm_T> nooooo
[12:29] <Tm_T> freeflying: sorry, me going mad
[12:30] <freeflying> Tm_T: :)
[12:30] <Tm_T> bah
[12:31] <freeflying> Tm_T: hope it can help
[12:32]  * Jucato stumbles upon a news about Finland...
[12:49] <buz> /me wonders what ctrl enter does in konvi
[12:49] <buz> oh neat ;)
[12:49] <buz> so that it does ;)
[12:49] <Jucato> now you know :)
[12:50] <buz> found out by pure luck ;)
[12:50] <Jucato> I wasn't so lucky :)
[12:50] <buz> this could serve to be useful
[12:50] <Jucato> someone had to point it out to me :)
[12:53]  * buz wonders some more about a plain vanilla kubuntu
[12:53] <dasKreech> install the KDE package maybe >
[12:53] <dasKreech> ?
[12:55] <Jucato> afaik, some are still patched... like Konqueror? (or was that on k-d-s only)
[12:59] <buz> dasKreech: i meant a kde without any patches
[13:07] <mhb> hmm, did anyone see or test the Serega's fix for Kaffeine?
[13:07]  * mhb is really surprised over the mailing list announcement
[13:07] <Hobbsee> mhb: i've yet to see it
[13:08] <mhb> I *really* hope he isn't pulling our leg :o)
[13:09] <mhb> I admit, I can be quite sceptical
[13:10] <mhb> see you later folks, and if Serega comes in, ask him abou it
[13:20] <buz> what list was the announcement on
[14:50] <Ahmuck> i thought open office for kubuntu was to have it's own splash screen
[14:54] <bddebian> Heya
[14:58] <Jucato> hi bddebian (4 minutes late... sorry)
[14:58] <Jucato> /me wonders where nixternal is...
[15:00] <bddebian> Heh, hi Jucato
[15:05] <ScottK> Ahmuck: The fact that it doesn't is a bug.
[15:07] <Jucato> ScottK: were you replying to someone in your e-mail about enabling mouse gestures by default?
[15:08] <ScottK> Jucato: Yes.  There was a mail about it just a bit before.
[15:08] <nosrednaekim> wow... kudo to Serge!
[15:08] <Jucato> dang... I didn't seem to have received that
[15:08] <Jucato> oh Serega
[15:08] <nosrednaekim> yeah... ;)
[15:08] <Jucato> [21:07] <mhb> hmm, did anyone see or test the Serega's fix for Kaffeine?
[15:08] <Jucato> [21:08] * mhb is really surprised over the mailing list announcement
[15:14]  * Serega blushed
[15:19] <nosrednaekim> Serega: hey...good job :D
[15:19] <Lure> any motu around that can test sru fix for bug 149321 ?
[15:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 149321 in basket "[Gutsy] Basket notes is no longer embedded in kontact!" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/149321
[15:20] <Hobbsee> sorry, not on gutsy :)
[15:21] <Serega> nosrednaekim: thanks, I'll try to keep :)
[15:22] <Lure> Hobbsee: I will stay on gutsy for some time, as I want it to be stable while I run kde4 desktop
[15:22] <Lure> two unstable things at the same time would not be good idea
[15:23] <Hobbsee> yeah, that might be smart :)
[15:24]  * Jucato turns on vbox...
[15:24]  * Tm_T turns off monitor and heads out to make snow man
[15:25] <Jucato> Tm_T: how are things there? hope you're far away from the school shooting
[15:25] <Jucato> far far away
[15:49] <nixternal> no need to fear, for nixternal is here!
[15:49] <nixternal> mhb: I do no do gif animations
[15:49] <nixternal> dat be javascript
[15:50] <nixternal> I will leave the artwork up to the artists anyways
[15:50] <nixternal> so now we need to drag kwwii in to the pit
[15:51] <Jucato> yay!!!!
[15:52]  * Jucato was worried :P
[15:52] <nixternal> I was out all night last night, so I decided to skip a class this morning and sleep in a bit
[15:52]  * Serega imagines the shinig new kubuntu.org
[15:52] <Jucato> hehe :)
[15:53] <nixternal> went to a Christian college, and it looks like we will be rockin' the buntu there
[15:53] <nixternal> I couldn't believe how excited the students were, and quite a few of them did their homework and knew quite a bit about Linux before I even got there
[15:53] <nosrednaekim> Serega: so what do you need written? bash scripts to install codecs?
[15:53] <Jucato> kool
[15:53] <Jucato> nixternal: go Kubuntu pimp go! :)
[15:54] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: was it a scheduled presentation or something?
[15:54] <Serega> nosrednaekim: writing the script itself isn't a problem, its hard to decide what packages do we relly need
[15:55] <Serega> *really
[15:55] <nosrednaekim> Serega: libdvdcss isn't even in the repositories which  is kinda nasty.
[15:55] <Serega> nosrednaekim: another thing: you should help me with text on codec installation prompt dialog, I'm not too poetic ;)
[15:56] <Jucato> !info libdvdcss
[15:56] <ubotu> Package libdvdcss does not exist in gutsy
[15:56] <Jucato> yeah Seveas' repo..
[15:56] <Serega> nosrednaekim: I propose to install only libxine1-ffmpeg
[15:56] <nosrednaekim> Serega: sure...
[15:56] <Serega> It's enogh to play majority if videos
[15:56] <Serega> *enough
[15:56] <nosrednaekim> thats only for mpegs... you need a plugin for divx as well
[15:57] <nosrednaekim> and avi's in general
[15:57] <Serega> nosrednaekim: mmm... doesn't it handle divx?
[15:57] <nosrednaekim> Serega: no.... divx requires another whole package
[15:57] <nosrednaekim> libavi something or other
[15:58] <Serega> nosrednaekim: another headache is naming of this stuff... :( divx codecs? mpeg codecs? they all in *.avi
[15:58] <Serega> ooh
[15:58] <Serega> so maybe avi codecs
[15:58] <Serega> ?
[15:59] <nosrednaekim> Serega: hmmm true.... and you are relying on the file name extentions?
[15:59] <Serega> no, I rely on inability to handle audio or video stream by xine engine
[15:59] <Serega> maybe we should also check the extensions
[16:00] <nosrednaekim> ah..ok
[16:00] <nosrednaekim> wait...I see libdvdcss2 in my repositories..
[16:01] <Serega> I wish to organise something like code review by our most experienced developers to point on my possible mistakes
[16:01] <nosrednaekim> oh never mind... I manually installed it ;)
[16:01] <nosrednaekim> Serega: talk to Riddell about how to do that... i'm sure he would be very interested.
[16:01] <Serega> nosrednaekim: I like the idea to handle dvd support installation separately from divx and mpeg
[16:02] <Serega> nice
[16:02] <nosrednaekim> well, yes, they are separate codecs so that would be needed. I don't think we should get all the codecs at once.
[16:03] <nosrednaekim> but anyway, I have to go... good luck!
[16:03] <Serega> nosrednaekim: thanks, you too. bye!
[16:04]  * Jucato wished he already much about code and Qt...
[16:04]  * Hobbsee is still waiting to see a patch
[16:05] <Jucato> :)
[16:05]  * Jucato though Hobbsee was already sleeping..
[16:05] <Hobbsee> i should be...
[16:05] <Hobbsee> but i was at work tonight
[16:05]  * Jucato hugs Hobbsee... does a triple backflip... and powerpokes her
[16:05] <Hobbsee> :D
[16:05]  * Hobbsee tickles Jucato until he squeals
[16:06]  * Jucato is asthmatic and dies instead :P
[16:06] <Serega> :))
[16:06] <Jucato> btw, how did you know that I'm super ticklish? :)
[16:07] <Hobbsee> oh dear.  we killed him.
[16:07] <Jucato> hehe
[16:07] <dasKreech> You bastards
[16:08]  * Lure is asthmatic too, so please no tickling... 
[16:08] <Serega> She killed Jucato!
[16:08] <Jucato> Lure!!! :)
[16:08] <Jucato> heheh
[16:08] <Serega> :-D
[16:08]  * Hobbsee gently tickles Lure
[16:09] <dasKreech> With pokes of fury!
[16:09] <Hobbsee> Lure: when will i meet you?
[16:09]  * Serega wants to watch South Park
[16:10] <Jucato> lol! that just sounded a bit... romantic..
[16:10] <Jucato> "when will I meet you?"
[16:10]  * Hobbsee beats up Jucato
[16:10] <Jucato> I'm dead, remember? :)
[16:11] <Hobbsee> that doesnt seem to stop you from talking, and it doesnt stop me from beating you up :P
[16:11] <ScottK> And typing particulalry well considering
[16:11] <Jucato> lol :)
[16:11] <Jucato> ghost in the shell
[16:11] <Jucato> er.. in the machine
[16:11] <Lure> Hobbsee: when I will be able to run fast enough... ;-)
[16:11]  * Lure needs to practice more ;-)
[16:11] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i'm the purely evil, power hungry, sexy psycopathic bitch from au.  hwo is *anything* i say supposed to be taken romantically?
[16:11] <Hobbsee> Lure: heh :)
[16:12] <Hobbsee> i think i missed a few.
[16:12]  * Serega :-O
[16:12] <Jucato> hahah
[16:12] <nixternal> Hobbsee: hahahaha
[16:12] <Hobbsee> :)
[16:12]  * Serega is backstepping silently
[16:12] <Hobbsee> teeheehee...
[16:12] <Jucato> (now she admits to being sexy...)
[16:13] <Hobbsee> Jucato: no, that's how others quoted me.
[16:13] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Ah, there are some people, that's just what they are looking for, so it doesn't get you out of it.
[16:13] <Hobbsee> those terms are all from other people
[16:13] <nixternal> ya, we knew everything else :p
[16:13] <Serega> it is a trap
[16:13] <Jucato> they forgot "dyslexic"...
[16:13] <Hobbsee> ScottK: yeah, point.
[16:13] <nixternal> hahahaha
[16:13] <Hobbsee> Jucato: so much typing has done it...
[16:13] <Jucato> ditot
[16:13] <Jucato> er.. ditto
[16:13]  * Hobbsee is not dyslexic.
[16:13] <nixternal> eesbboH is too
[16:13]  * Hobbsee just cannot type well, particularly recently, with long nails.
[16:14] <Jucato> ooh. I need to cut mine tomorrow...
[16:14]  * Jucato is lazy w/ nails... usually gets scolded every week
[16:14] <nixternal> gotta wait for mine to grow back so I can bite um some more
[16:14] <Jucato> hahah!
[16:15]  * Jucato has always wondered why nail biting never caught on as a phenomenon over here..
[16:15]  * Hobbsee --> bed
[16:15] <Jucato> k'nite Hobbsee!
[16:16] <Serega> Hobbsee: good night
[16:16] <nixternal> k'nite Hobbster
[16:27] <Tm_T> mooh
[16:28] <dasKreech> baah?
[16:28] <Tm_T> thats the one
[16:28] <Hobbsee> bling!
[16:29] <Jucato> sleep!!
[16:29] <Jucato> 14 minutes ago  :P
[16:29] <n8k99> cannot change kdm back to default
[16:30] <Tm_T> Jucato: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7082795.stm
[16:30] <Jucato> Tm_T: yeah.. you're not anywhere near there right?
[16:31] <Tm_T> why asking?
[16:31] <Jucato> just trying to make sure you're safe... it that's not too much to ask :)
[16:31]  * Jucato shrugs..
[16:33] <Tm_T> nope
[16:33] <Tm_T> problem is, I have waited this to happen
[16:33]  * Riddell wanders in
[16:33] <Tm_T> its not about one person, its about whole society
[16:33]  * Jucato waves at Riddell
[16:33] <Tm_T> but this is offtopic so I stop here
[16:34] <Tm_T> so no, I'm not safe
[16:34] <Tm_T> never been
[16:35] <Jucato> :(
[16:38] <Tm_T> Jucato: why sad face?
[16:38] <Jucato> you're not safe. isn't that something to be sad about?
[16:40] <Tm_T> no, more like, I'm as safe as I have always been
[16:41] <Jucato> ok
[16:42] <Tm_T> so no worry about
[16:42] <Tm_T> (more than usual)
[16:42] <Jucato> ok
[16:42] <dasKreech> Tm_T: Darwinism ?
[16:42] <Tm_T> dasKreech: no
[16:42] <Jucato> I'll keep that in mind
[16:42] <dasKreech> What about society?
[16:43] <Tm_T> dasKreech: I'm seeing bigger picture here, problem is that our lovely goverment is cutting out healthcare etc etc social funding
[16:43] <dasKreech> And that prompts shootings?
[16:44] <Tm_T> have any idea how high murder and suicide rate we have?
[16:44] <Tm_T> IIRC highest in "western" world
[16:44] <dasKreech> Yeah i know that
[16:44] <dasKreech> I assumed it was cause it was so high north
[16:44] <Tm_T> dasKreech: norway and most of canada is more north
[16:45] <Tm_T> or iceland
[16:46] <Tm_T> do we really like talk about politics here? yes, this is sad thing, serious thing, but no, not something that does surprise me
[16:46] <Tm_T> seen death enough in my life to know how bad it is
[16:47] <dasKreech> I live in a country that rivals iraq for murders
[16:50] <Riddell> Serega: so, when do we get to see the code?
[16:51] <Serega> Riddell: we can to it today when I return from job
[16:51] <Serega> Riddell: can you make something like code review?
[16:51] <Serega> *we make
[16:51] <Serega> together
[16:52] <Serega> or with someone who wishes
[16:53] <Riddell> Serega: sure, just put the diff up somewhere
[16:53] <Serega> ok, nice
[16:54] <Riddell> being at a conference I'm busy at times, especially after 2000UTC today
[16:54] <Serega> Riddell: I'll come back home about 3 hours later?
[16:54] <Serega> will you be online?
[16:54] <Serega> ooh...
[16:55] <Riddell> well I should be about until 2100
[16:55] <Riddell> depends how interesting the meeting is :)
[16:55] <Serega> oh, good
[16:55] <Serega> I'll stay online till 2300 at least
[16:56] <Serega> :)
[16:57] <Serega> Riddell: there is an idea to install DVD support separately from divx/mpeg stuff
[17:03] <Riddell> Serega: from a technical view there would be a separate process since it needs to download the .deb from somewhere random, from a user view I think they should get all the install codecs stuff over in one go
[17:04] <Serega> Riddell: maybe in some countries these packages have different law status
[17:04]  * dasKreech ponders a Kubuntu GHNS server to pull codecs
[17:05] <Riddell> Serega: yes, the user needs to be asked if they want it
[17:07] <Serega> one another thing: kaffeine (as amarok does) needs a restart after codec installing. I can organize engine reloading after such event to start playing immediately after codec installation as totem in ubuntu
[17:07] <Serega> Riddell: does it make sense to do?
[17:08] <Riddell> Serega: that would be lovely to have
[17:08] <Serega> nice
[17:09] <Riddell> Tonio_: seen that patch from the gentoo dude for knetworkmanager?
[17:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: just responded
[17:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: will be on contrib day on friday, I'll start to to this, as weel as the 1000 things on my todo for hardy :)
[17:11] <Serega> knetworkmanager a bit strange behaviour of OK/Apply buttons of configuration dialog
[17:12] <Serega> I press Apply and settings are applying, I press OK to close the dialog and settings are applying again
[17:13] <Riddell> Serega: that's normal behavious
[17:13] <Riddell> behaviour
[17:13] <Serega> I found it confusing
[17:14] <Serega> my friends did too
[17:19] <Riddell> Serega: why?
[17:19] <Serega> Riddell: dunno, it's just feeling :)
[17:20] <Serega> Riddell: it is habit that OK just closes a dialog when Apply is grayed
[17:25] <mhb> hi Serega, could you put your patches to kaffeine somewhere so we can take a look at them? Or did you do that already?
[17:26] <mhb> Serega: I was really suprised over your announcement today, so I am really anxious to test it :o)
[17:27] <Serega> mhb: sure, I will. I just need to go home. Now I'm at job. You'll see it after 2100 UTC
[17:28] <Serega> mhb: Sorry for some emotional announcement :)
[17:29] <mhb> Serega: no problem, you've created some high expectations, so I hope your patches will fulfill them :o)
[17:29] <mhb> Serega: okay, just post a link here once you publish them
[17:29]  * Serega is worried to disappoin all :S
[17:29] <Serega> *disappoint
[17:30] <Tm_T> that cant happen anymore
[17:30] <Tm_T> not saying we are that disappointed already, but very opposite I believe
[17:30] <Serega> mhb: could you give me an advice where to publish? I do not have own host
[17:30] <mhb> don't worry, the only patches that disappoint me are those I promised to write but didn't :o)
[17:30] <mhb> Serega: if it is reasonably large, just use a pastebin for it
[17:31] <Serega> mkay
[17:31] <mhb> or you can send it via mail to the ML
[17:32] <Serega> Tm_T: If I could have knowledge how to do this, I should do this strictly after creation
[17:32] <coreymon> finally, im back to using konv
[17:32] <coreymon> fink and macports have had major leopard issues
[17:32] <dasKreech> Oh You are spotted now?
[17:32] <coreymon> dasKreech: me?
[17:33] <dasKreech> yes
[17:33] <coreymon> dasKreech: yup
[17:33] <coreymon> dasKreech: im on leopard
[17:33]  * Serega is sad
[17:33] <coreymon> Serega: ???
[17:33]  * Serega does not want to look like a ugly boaster :'(
[17:33] <coreymon> Serega: i have a kubuntu box too
[17:34] <coreymon> Serega: i dont get it
[17:34]  * dasKreech puts makeup on Serega
[17:34] <dasKreech> there we go :)
[17:34] <dasKreech> fears allied
[17:34] <coreymon> dasKreech: x11 ports have had major issues with leopard, they dont get along
[17:34] <Serega> coreymon: Why to be sad from kubuntu box? O.o
[17:35] <coreymon> dasKreech: so i havent been able to use konv on my lappy for a while
[17:35] <coreymon> Serega: why are you sad?
[17:35] <coreymon> dasKreech: finally, a fix was released
[17:35] <Serega> coreymon: I didn't shared patches, but have already announced them
[17:35] <coreymon> dasKreech: so konv works, but still no gimp
[17:35] <coreymon> Serega: ???
[17:36] <coreymon> Serega: patches for what?
[17:36] <Serega> coreymon: and I can't do it right now due to my job
[17:36] <Serega> coreymon: kaffeine codec autoinstallation
[17:36] <coreymon> Serega: oh
[17:36] <coreymon> for what>
[17:36] <coreymon> ?
[17:36] <coreymon> im confused
[17:36] <yuriy> if in the apply/ok Serega is referring to knetworkconf module, then i agree, it is annoying and confusing
[17:36] <coreymon> kaffeine has is own codec?
[17:37] <Serega> yuriy: exactly
[17:37] <Serega> coreymon: kafefine in kubuntu uses xine backend, so codecs are for libxine
[17:37]  * Jucato scrolls up
[17:37] <coreymon> Jucato: hey
[17:37] <coreymon> Jucato: finally, im back on konvi
[17:38] <Jucato> ey! nice!
[17:38]  * Jucato agrees w/ Serega and yuriy on the knm thingy
[17:38] <Jucato> wb coreymon :)
[17:38] <coreymon> Jucato: after two weeks, finally a fix for the kdelibs problem in leopard was released
[17:38] <Jucato> (even if you're still on the Leopard...)
[17:38] <coreymon> Jucato: i still have my kubuntu box
[17:38] <coreymon> Jucato: and i still use it
[17:38] <Jucato> I know :)
[17:38]  * Jucato was j/k
[17:40] <dasKreech> How's Leopard?
[17:40] <coreymon> great
[17:40] <dasKreech> the desktops I hear are supposed to be better than KDEs
[17:40] <coreymon> screen sharing is incredible
[17:40] <coreymon> dasKreech: what, you mean spaces?
[17:40] <dasKreech> yeah
[17:40] <coreymon> dasKreech: its definitely more feature filled
[17:41] <dasKreech> Time machine I'm meh about. It's not new it's just pretty
[17:41] <dasKreech> the .. drawers? what are the stack things again ?
[17:41] <coreymon> dasKreech: you can use expose while in the spaces window to show all the windows in a space, you can drag and drop programs form space to space
[17:41] <dasKreech> I'm interested in
[17:41] <dasKreech> can't you do that in compiz as well?
[17:41] <coreymon> dasKreech: you can even reorder entire spaces
[17:41] <dasKreech> and KDE 4 as I recall
[17:41] <coreymon> dasKreech: oh, ya stacks
[17:42] <coreymon> dasKreech: anything you want
[17:42] <coreymon> dasKreech: documents folder, applications folder, anything
[17:42] <dasKreech> I know cause dwight <------ over there does it all the time
[17:42]  * dasKreech goes back to read about it.
[17:42] <coreymon> dasKreech: you drag it to your dock, and then whenever you click on it, all the contents of the folder spring up
[17:42] <dasKreech> Sounds like Drawers from Gnome
[17:43] <coreymon> dasKreech: similar probably
[17:43] <coreymon> dasKreech: screen sharing is incredibly fast though
[17:43] <coreymon> dasKreech: anyways, ill be back
[17:43] <dasKreech> What protocol do they use?
[17:43] <coreymon> dasKreech: i just have to transfer from a pizza place i was eating lunch at, back to my school library
[17:44] <coreymon> dasKreech: ill be back it a bit, okay?
[17:44] <dasKreech> sure
[17:44] <coreymon> brb
[17:44]  * Serega goes home
[17:46]  * Jucato goes home
[17:46] <Jucato> er... to bed
[17:50] <dasKreech> Night
[17:50] <dasKreech> Or morning more likely
[17:55] <coreymon77> back
[17:55] <coreymon77> dasKreech: im back now
[17:55] <lnxkde> hey guys
[17:55] <dasKreech> Wheee
[17:55] <dasKreech>  :)
[17:56] <coreymon77> btw
[17:56] <coreymon77> im curious
[17:56] <coreymon77> do any of you guys know if its possible to use tings such as konv on windows (my school library computers)
[17:57] <yuriy> it will be with konv for kde4...
[17:57] <coreymon77> or no
[17:57] <coreymon77> i know that
[17:57] <Riddell> in theory KDE 4 will work, in practice it probably takes some hassle currently
[17:57] <yuriy> otherwise... maybe with cygwin?
[17:57] <coreymon77> okay then
[17:57] <coreymon77> whens kde4 coming again?
[17:58] <dasKreech> Yeah i expect it to be there for Linux in KDE 4.1 and for Others in 4.2 .. maybe 4.3
[17:58] <lnxkde> jan 2008
[17:58] <dasKreech> One month
[17:58] <dasKreech> or jan 2008 if you follow lnxkde  :)
[17:58] <coreymon77> well theres a difference
[17:58] <coreymon77> ones december and ones january
[17:58] <lnxkde> I dont think in one month coz the reales party will be in JAN
[17:58] <lnxkde> and
[17:59] <coreymon77> whens the scheduled release?
[17:59] <lnxkde> we are stuck at beta 4 no rcs around
[17:59] <dasKreech> people have no lives more than usual in Dec
[17:59] <yuriy> hmm konversation haven't started porting to kde4 have they
[17:59] <lnxkde> well yeah maybe Dec ;)
[17:59] <lnxkde> yuriy: No Idea
[18:00] <yuriy> as in, i don't see it in my svn checkout
[18:00] <yuriy> it should be in extragear?
[18:00] <coreymon77> yuriy: well, it will have to be for the release, wouldnt it
[18:00] <coreymon77> yuriy: isnt konv kdes standard irc client
[18:00] <dasKreech> No they haven't
[18:00] <dasKreech> No
[18:01] <coreymon77> so, you mean, konv wouldnt work in kde4 at first?
[18:02] <lnxkde> you will just have to get the kde3 libs
[18:02] <lnxkde> ;)
[18:02] <lnxkde> installed
[18:02] <lnxkde> I think most of us will have both on the system untill KDE 4.1 I suppose
[18:02] <dasKreech> konvi 4 will probably be a straight port of konvi3
[18:10] <coreymon77> ahh windows
[18:10] <coreymon77> even manages to crash firefox
[18:10] <dasKreech> I can one up that'
[18:11] <dasKreech> I can get Firefox ot crash Alt+ctrl+del  in Vista
[18:11] <coreymon77> lol
[18:11] <coreymon77> vistas crap though
[18:13] <coreymon77> thats why the new windows share icon for finder in leopard is this
[18:13] <coreymon77> dasKreech: http://babygotmac.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/pcicon.png
[18:14] <dasKreech> Qt
[18:55] <Serega> who can help me to create a patch?? :(
[18:55] <Riddell> diff -u
[18:56] <Serega> this includes to patch things I haven't touch
[18:56] <Serega> such as configure.am etc
[18:57] <Serega> e.g. created patch starts with "diff -u kaffeine-0.8.5/acinclude.m4 kaffeine-0.8.5.orig/acinclude.m4"
[18:57] <Serega> but I haven't changed it
[18:58] <Serega> where am I wrong?
[19:01] <Riddell> Serega: ah right, autoconf will do that
[19:02] <Riddell> Serega: if you know the files you've touched you can just select those files and do multiple diffs
[19:02] <Serega> Riddell: ok
[19:02] <Serega> Riddell: maybe it makes sense to use something like kdiff3?
[19:03] <Riddell> that's unlikely to help
[19:04] <Riddell> you can just do a big diff and I can ignore the cruft
[19:07] <Serega> Riddell: I prefer to generate normal patch :)
[19:07] <Serega> Riddell: give me a few minutes
[19:24] <Serega> Riddell: ugh... done
[19:24] <Serega> Riddell: how to give it?
[19:25] <Serega> Riddell: I'll try pastebin
[19:26] <Serega> http://pastebin.com/m53072101
[19:27] <Serega> oops... missed to revert last change in diff...
[19:29] <Serega> http://pastebin.com/m5148b833
[19:30] <Serega> Riddell: is it ok?
[19:33] <Riddell> Serega: from a quick eye over that's looking very good
[19:33] <Serega> Riddell: do not believe :)
[19:33] <Serega> Riddell: there is one ugly code duplication
[19:33] <Serega> Riddell: I'll try to get rid of it
[19:33] <Riddell> so we just need to add a .desktop file with X-KDE-Kaffeine-codec and X-KDE-Kaffeine-engine and an Exec line?
[19:34] <Serega> two ones
[19:34] <Serega> one .desktop is the servicetype and other is the service itserf
[19:34] <Serega> *itself
[19:35] <Serega> Riddell: and I'm not sure about dialog messages, please correct it
[19:37] <Riddell> it doesn't include a question there
[19:37] <Riddell> could this be expanded to add dvd css support?
[19:38] <nixternal> howdy
[19:38] <Riddell> morning nixternal
[19:38] <Serega> nixternal: hi
[19:39] <Serega> Riddell: apparently yes, I need to test sympthoms of inability to play DVD
[19:42] <Serega> Riddell: importrant thing! Kaffeine can't play own logo without libxine1-ffmpeg!
[19:43] <Riddell> he he
[19:43] <Serega> Serega: we should change /usr/share/apps/kaffeine/logo to prevent double asking for codecs
[19:43] <Riddell> we patch it out so it doesn't play it
[19:44] <Serega> oh, nice
[19:44] <Serega> Riddell: oohhh... looks like I worked on unpatched version
[19:47] <Riddell> make -f debian/rules apply-patches
[19:47] <Serega> in both directories as I understand?
[19:48] <Serega> how is my diff's command line? :)
[19:59] <Serega> Riddell: looks like I should add more code to DVDs
[20:02] <Serega> Riddell: so should we handle all the codecs in one time?
[20:03] <Serega> *add more code to HANDLE DVDs
[20:04] <Riddell> Serega: I think one script should offer to install all the codecs it can
[20:05] <Serega> Riddell: ok, DVDs playback problems will be handled by the same .desktop
[20:05] <Riddell> may as well
[20:05] <Riddell> yes
[20:06] <Serega> Riddell: nice
[20:06] <Serega> Riddell: I start to work on handling DVDs
[20:07] <Serega> Riddell: btw, debian/rules:3: /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk: No such file or directory
[20:07] <Serega> Riddell: what can this mean?
[20:08] <Riddell> Serega: apt-get install cdbs
[20:08] <Riddell> Serega: apt-get install cdbs debhelper
[20:08] <Serega> thanks
[20:21] <Serega> ls
[20:21] <Serega> /me missed window
[20:56] <Serega> where to get libdvdcss?
[20:57] <Serega> E: Package libdvdcss has no installation candidate
[21:01] <Riddell> Serega: well that's the trouble, it has to be got from a URL
[21:01] <Serega> Riddell: I've already googled
[21:02] <mars> Serega: on medibuntu
[21:02] <Serega> Riddell: I've recently added the same feature for DVDs
[21:02] <Serega> Riddell: yeah
[21:02] <Serega> now I
[21:02] <Serega> now I'll update the patch
[21:02] <Riddell> http://packages.medibuntu.org/pool/free/libd/libdvdcss/ has them
[21:03] <Serega> Riddell: aha
[21:03] <Serega> Riddell: can't we just enable medibuntu repos in adept as user allows?
[21:05] <Riddell> I don't think we should rely on it to that extent, we've no idea what else is in that repo
[21:05] <Serega> Riddell: oops... installing libdvdcss2 didn't enabled DVD playback for me
[21:05] <Riddell> Serega: it also needs libdvdread3
[21:06] <Serega> oh
[21:06] <Riddell> which is in our archive
[21:06] <Serega> :)
[21:06] <Riddell> I can set up a forward on kubuntu.org to go to the latest libdvdcss
[21:06] <Riddell> (this is assuming we are allowed to point to it at all of course)
[21:06] <nosrednaekim> what does Gnome do?
[21:06] <Riddell> nothing
[21:07] <Riddell> you need to install it manually
[21:07] <nosrednaekim> it doesn't autoinstall dvdcss?
[21:07] <nosrednaekim> ah.. ok
[21:07] <Riddell> but dvd menus don't work in gstreamer anyway
[21:07] <Riddell> ok, I'm away for the rest of the day
[21:07] <Riddell> teambuilding excercises!
[21:07] <Serega> Riddell: the same with libdvdread3
[21:10] <nosrednaekim> Serega: are they properly installed?
[21:11] <Serega> I thinks so, apt-get didn't reported any errors
[21:11] <Serega> nosrednaekim: maybe I chosed undecryptable DVD?
[21:12] <Serega> nosrednaekim: kafefine gives many "libdvdread: Error cracking CSS key for /VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.VOB (0x00000130)"
[21:12] <Serega> *choosed
[21:12] <nosrednaekim> Serega:  seems libDVDcss isn't installed correctly
[21:12] <nosrednaekim> Serega: its "chose";)
[21:12] <Serega> :))
[21:12] <Serega> thx
[21:13] <Serega> how to install libdvdcss correctly?
[21:14] <Serega> nosrednaekim: I just done this: apt-get install libdvdcss2
[21:14] <nosrednaekim> Serega: well, is it installed at all? try "apt-cache policy libdvdcss2"
[21:15] <Serega> nosrednaekim:   Installed: 1.2.9-2medibuntu4
[21:16] <nosrednaekim> huh...
[21:16] <nosrednaekim> try another dvd
[21:17] <Serega> :)
[21:17] <Serega> nosrednaekim: it will be third :)
[21:17] <DaSkreech> Riddell: It's my video cad causing the freezes
[21:17] <DaSkreech> card.. though it is a cad
[21:17] <nosrednaekim> odd
[21:17] <DaSkreech> It's not really freezing either Xorg just takes up 99% of the CPU
[21:18] <DaSkreech> attempting to kill it however does cause a full freeze
[21:23] <nosrednaekim> DaSkreech: are you running XGL or AIGLX?
[21:23] <DaSkreech> No
[21:23] <DaSkreech> I did just accidently bump into a key ombo that apparently invokes the screensaver
[21:23] <DaSkreech>  which is cool
[21:23] <Serega> nosrednaekim: I worry: 10 DVDs with no luck. even with one pirated DVD
[21:23] <DaSkreech> but the screensaver was OpenGL which instantly freaked X out
[21:24] <DaSkreech> Normally it freezes when I mouse over the clock and get the popup
[21:24] <nosrednaekim> Serega: huh....your dvd drive ok?
[21:24] <Serega> yeah :)
[21:24] <Serega> nosrednaekim: I've been watching DVDs on feisty as well
[21:25] <Serega> something I missed
[21:25] <Serega> :)
[21:26] <nosrednaekim> thats odd..
[21:27] <DaSkreech> Alt+Ctrl+PgUp I think
[21:27] <nosrednaekim> ctrl+alt+l?
[21:37] <Serega> nosrednaekim: LOL. libxine1-plugins and all 10 DVDs are fine :-D
[21:38] <nosrednaekim> Serega: haha
[21:39] <Serega> nosrednaekim: more fun: metapackage libxine1-plugins installs package I can't suspect in DVD playback :)
[21:40] <Serega> I couldn't
[21:40] <Serega> till now :)
[21:40] <nosrednaekim> which is...
[21:43] <user_> damn you nosrednaekim
[21:44] <user_> Next time I'll just init 1
[21:44]  * user_ also notes that kpat needs a keyboard option
[21:44] <nosrednaekim> eh?
[21:45] <nosrednaekim> oh lol... seems user is DaSkreech
[21:45] <Serega> nosrednaekim: e.g. libxine1-gnome and libxine1-console
[21:45] <nosrednaekim> Serega: never know...one of them might try to go out and find the dvd codecs
[21:47] <user_> you knew I'd check it too :-p
[21:47] <Serega> nosrednaekim: however, autoinstall now works and for dvds! =)
[21:47] <nosrednaekim> Serega: sweet..
[21:47]  * user_ can't wait till 8.10
[21:47] <nosrednaekim> user_: you ever tryed Ctrl+alt+bkspace?
[21:48] <user_> nosrednaekim: keyboard is dead when ogl call is made
[21:48] <user_> I have to ssh in
[21:48] <nosrednaekim> user_: disable openGL/use vesa
[21:48] <user_> and apparently if I try to use killor kill 9 on the offending x it really kills the machine
[21:49] <user_>  /etc/init.d/kdm stop is ignored
[21:49] <user_> haven't tried init 1 though
[22:01]  * DaSkreech kicks user_ viciously
[22:27]  * Serega is going to sleep
[22:27] <Serega> good night, guys
[22:48] <mhb> hello
[22:49]  * DaSkreech waves
[22:50] <seele> does anyone use skype?
[22:51] <mhb> on OS X only
[22:54] <DaSkreech> I hear the new LInux one has video
[22:54] <mhb> does it?
[22:54] <DaSkreech> Yes
[22:54] <DaSkreech> They claim :) I haven't installed it
[22:55] <mhb> I see, that's a nice feature, too bad I'm on 64-bit and unlikely to switch
[23:04] <seele> hmm
[23:07] <imbrandon> mhb, 32bit chroot :P
[23:09] <mhb> imbrandon: only if you could do that with two clicks :-( reboot works more reliable for me
[23:33]  * DaSkreech pastes Mez to the floor
[23:33] <DaSkreech> Hey can the media player play Wav files?
[23:58] <user_> Nope
[23:58] <user_> init 1 doesn't work either :(