[01:09] <clusty> hey
[01:10] <clusty> is there something weird with xorg in hardy
[01:10] <clusty> sais it cannot be installed due to deps
[01:13] <Hobbsee> yes, there is.
[01:13] <Hobbsee> clusty: the fact that you're asking probably means you shouldnt be urnning it.
[01:13] <clusty> running just a virtual machine
[01:13] <clusty> so no harm done
[01:13] <clusty> wanted to see the new cutting edge features like bulletproof X
[01:15] <Hobbsee> why not run gutsy, then?
[01:15] <Hobbsee> features wont be in for a while yet anyway
[01:15] <clusty> have it already for quite some time already
[01:15] <clusty> ok.
[01:16] <clusty> any estimates as to when I should try back?
[01:16] <clusty> debian import freeze?
[01:18] <Hobbsee> first alpha, or later
[01:18] <Hobbsee> feature freeze it shoudl start being safe and interesting
[01:21] <clusty> thanks. will try it again after alpha 1
[02:13] <WorkingOnWise> does hardy have kde 4 in the repos?
[02:15] <bazhang> without a working x, what would be the point?
[02:15] <WorkingOnWise> so x is broke atm huh?
[02:16] <bazhang> that is the consensus
[02:19] <WorkingOnWise> well...once x is fixed.... is kde 4 in the repos?
[02:19] <bazhang> that would likely be one of the last things to make it--best to try a livecd of it now
[02:23] <Hobbsee> it's only broken if you break it yourself, by not looking
[02:23] <Hobbsee> kde 4 beta 3 is in the repos
[02:24] <bazhang> oops sorry Hobbsee
[02:24] <Hobbsee> but, a lot of people are being idiots, and breaking it.
[02:25] <WorkingOnWise> Hobbsee: cool. thanks. I ran with fiesty and gutsy long before you were "supposed to" on a production system. Thikin about doin the same with hardy....
[02:25] <Hobbsee> WorkingOnWise: yeah, but this early is fairly insane, unless you're actually doing development of it
[02:26] <RAOF> Last I checked, there were still some 7000 builds to be done from debian imports.
[02:26] <Hobbsee> + new
[02:26] <RAOF> Oh, of course.
[02:27] <WorkingOnWise> yeah....I figured....I'm gonna resist till herd 1...hopefully :)
[02:27] <RAOF> Proabably "flock", unless there's something specific to herons.
[02:27] <RAOF> I suppose there probably must be.  We should have a rook release - then we could release parliaments :)
[02:28] <bazhang> long wait for that one
[02:28] <Hobbsee> no, it's alpha's this time.  mdz's call
[02:28] <WorkingOnWise> I'm an old Windows /DOS dog....x breaking is a total catastrophy!  :-D
[02:33] <bazhang> anyone here a member of the hardy mailing list?
[02:35] <Hobbsee> which one?
[02:35] <Hobbsee> hardy-changes?
[02:35] <bazhang> gnomefreak mention it yesterday--any would be fine--just would like to subscribe
[02:35] <bazhang> err mentioned
[02:38] <Hobbsee> or devel mailing lists?
[02:38] <bazhang> Hobbsee: that would be it. Thanks--will gooogle it
[02:38] <bazhang> err google
[03:20] <gnomefreak> bazhang: it is hardy-changes at lists.ubuntu.com
[03:22] <bazhang> gnomefreak: thanks so much--sorry to ping you. appreciate it.
[03:22] <gnomefreak> its ok just working late getting ready for thursday meeting
[03:22] <bazhang> cheers1
[03:22] <bazhang> err cheers!
[04:07] <Creationist> What package do I need to install for Dolphin to show previews of video files?
[04:08] <bazhang> Creationist: you want #kubuntu
[04:09] <Creationist> bazhang: Well, I asked there and no one is around.  But it is also relevant here since Hardy will have the same ability ;)
[04:23] <hydrogen> NO.
[04:24] <hydrogen> Err
[04:24] <hydrogen> bad caps
[04:24] <hydrogen> but
[04:24] <hydrogen> thats like asking for linux help in microsofts forums because they both can run on a pc
[04:31] <bazhang> looks like mythtv will be even better in hardy. good news.
[05:48]  * cafuego runs NastyAccident through with a double-edged sword
[05:48] <NastyAccident> owwh.
[05:49] <cafuego> Oops ;-)
[05:49]  * NastyAccident stags cafuego with his claymore.
[05:50] <NastyAccident> stabs*
[05:50] <NastyAccident> dang nabbit.
[15:11] <bardyr> where is a good place to get some information about hardy?, like eta's on kernel/X updates, features, etc
[15:11] <Hobbsee> the alpha release notes
[15:11] <Hobbsee> when they happen
[15:11] <IntuitiveNipple> bardyr: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[15:12] <bardyr> Hobbsee, are there any "progress" blogs or something ?
[15:12] <Hobbsee> bardyr: that's them.
[15:12] <Hobbsee> bardyr: basically, people are busy getting stuff done, rather than blogging :)
[15:12] <bardyr> Hobbsee, probably, i just want my 2.6.24rc2 kernel :) and other cool stuff
[15:13] <Hobbsee> :)
[15:13] <Hobbsee> so do i...so do i.
[15:13] <Hobbsee> "whne it's done, and it all builds"
[15:13] <bazhang> mailing lists are nice too at lists.ubuntu.com
[15:14] <bardyr> bazhang, actually the mailinglists are great :D
[15:14] <bardyr> bazhang, thansk
[15:14] <bardyr> ks
[15:15] <IntuitiveNipple> anyone got an idea why a kvm guest using vde would pause for __long__ periods during an apt-get, but a simple 'ping' from another terminal immediately unpauses it?
[15:18] <bardyr> IntuitiveNipple, some Interrupts or events are faulty and ping/network stack awakes them?
[15:19] <IntuitiveNipple> bardyr: Hmmm. Been looking for some clues in logs/stats on both guest and host and can't find anything. Starting to annoy me now since I have to hand-hold the all the guests when they do build-tests
[15:22] <bazhang> bardyr: no problem I was told about them by these kind gentlefolk :}
[17:21] <Laser87> Hi!
[19:07] <Popolon> hi
[19:07] <Popolon> I just installed lzma on ubuntu 7.10
[19:08] <Popolon> and seen than the version of the package is lzma 4.43
[19:08] <Popolon> but it's not a stable release
[19:08] <Popolon> and the official site say to don't use it
[19:08] <Popolon> the format can change
[19:08] <Popolon> the production version is 4.32.3
[19:08] <Popolon> http://tukaani.org/lzma/download
[19:09] <bardyr> Popolon, and what do you want us to do?
[19:09] <Popolon> it could be bad for user to use not finished format :(
[19:09] <Popolon> oops
[19:09] <Popolon> the official site is not up to date ???
[19:09] <Popolon> there is not 4.43
[19:09] <Popolon> only 4.42 experimental
[19:11] <Popolon> http://tukaani.org/lzma/download
[19:12] <Popolon> where is this 4.43 ??
[19:13] <Popolon> even the sourceforge.net site doesn't contain 4.43
[19:13] <bardyr> Popolon, look under "Source Code"
[19:13] <Popolon> that's what I looked
[19:13] <Popolon> s/what/where
[19:14] <Popolon> there is definitivly no 4.43
[19:14] <Popolon> I use lzma on my main computer (in linuxfromscratch, not ubuntu)
[19:14] <Popolon> i have a second computer with ubuntu
[19:15] <Popolon> slackware use lzma as default compression for its packages since at least 1 year
[19:15] <Popolon> It is far better than bz2
[19:15] <Popolon> and reduce a lot usage of space disk and bandwidth
[19:15] <Popolon> the compression is slower and need more ram
[19:16] <Popolon> but the decompression is faster and lighter than bz2
[19:16] <Popolon> this really the ideal for distro
[19:17] <bardyr> Popolon, its not ideal if packages takes +3 times as long to compress
[19:19] <Popolon> but the package is only compressed one time by dev
[19:19] <Popolon> and transfered decompressed lot of times by user
[19:21] <Popolon> this could reduce bandwitdh from several petabytes of transfert
[19:21] <Popolon> and save some megawatts around the world for decompression
[19:21] <bardyr> gzip is much faster for decompression?
[20:43] <Popolon> bardyr, sure gzip is faster, but don't compress very well
[21:33] <Laser87> gn8@all