| === chuck__ is now known as zul | ||
| Hobbsee | morning all | 00:56 |
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| ajmitch | hi | 00:56 |
| === luisbg_ is now known as luisbg | ||
| jdong | is there anything anti-HIGgy about if gnome-screensaver reported failed unlock via libnotify bubble? | 01:16 |
| jdong | I mean, there's already a mechanism for g-s to pop up libnotify (for leaving message) -- I'd like to know how many times, and at what time, people tried and failed to unlock my screen. | 01:17 |
| jdong | would that be a crackpot feature request to file, or does it sound reasonable? | 01:17 |
| somerville32 | I don't like how it is now. I think there should be a widget to launch an application to view the events. | 01:19 |
| somerville32 | And there should be a field to put your name in for the message. | 01:20 |
| somerville32 | Maybe even integrate it with ldap and a network messaging mechanism. | 01:20 |
| jdong | somerville32: that would be cool too :) | 01:24 |
| jdong | somerville32: IMO there also needs an event viewer for update-manager post-update messages | 01:24 |
| * somerville32 nods. | 01:24 | |
| jdong | somerville32: some of the messages shown, it's unreasonable to expect the user to remember them 2 weeks later | 01:24 |
| somerville32 | I agree completely. | 01:25 |
| jdong | i.e. xserver-xgl tells the user to touch ~/something/disable to disable XGl for the user | 01:25 |
| jdong | I mean, how the heck is the user supposed to remember that? Pull out a sticky note? | 01:25 |
| somerville32 | hehe | 01:25 |
| jdong | :) | 01:25 |
| somerville32 | Maybe Tomboy? :P | 01:25 |
| jdong | haha, that'd be a good april fools feature addition | 01:25 |
| jdong | all libnotify events get saved to tomboy | 01:26 |
| jdong | and you have to use tracker to find them. | 01:26 |
| somerville32 | lol | 01:27 |
| somerville32 | And we'll have Microsft Bob giving hints and suggestions. | 01:27 |
| johanbr | jdong: Seriously, I think a notification caching applet would be a nice thing to have. | 01:30 |
| jdong | johanbr: yeah | 01:30 |
| jdong | johanbr: IMO ideally the system log viewer applet should be extended to being able to aggregate per-user events into a per-user type log too | 01:31 |
| * jdong wonders if a dbus/hal powered syslog clone would be a good idea or satire of dbus :D | 01:32 | |
| Hobbsee | uh oh. volume keys broke | 01:32 |
| somerville32 | jdong: Why not just create a log that the current system log view can understand? | 01:32 |
| somerville32 | hmm... firefox needs to die. | 01:34 |
| wasabi | So, sudo thinks my timestamp is in the future. And it is. Clock got changed. | 01:34 |
| wasabi | sudo -v doesn't seem to help | 01:35 |
| desrt | open about a dozen gnome-terminals | 01:35 |
| desrt | then open one more and sudo -s in that one | 01:35 |
| desrt | then blow away the timestamp dir | 01:35 |
| Fujitsu | wasabi: sudo -K? | 01:35 |
| wasabi | Nope, just tells me it's in teh future | 01:35 |
| jdong | somerville32: that looks cool, but it seems like HAL and DBUS are the buzzwords nowadays | 01:36 |
| desrt | wasabi; it is the only way | 01:36 |
| jdong | somerville32: and everything should be done over it, yada yada yada | 01:36 |
| somerville32 | lol | 01:36 |
| wasabi | What is the only way? | 01:36 |
| Fujitsu | jdong: No, we should be doing everything of KDE4's HAL Abstraction Layer. | 01:36 |
| Fujitsu | s/of/over/ | 01:36 |
| jdong | Fujitsu: we might need to abstract that too just in case AmaroK2's abstraction layer of the KDE4 abstraction layer needs to be fed into a lower abstraction layer :) | 01:37 |
| wasabi | Why doesn't sudo just reprompt for the password in this case? | 01:40 |
| nicio | what is devel? | 01:45 |
| somerville32 | nicio, Development | 01:45 |
| nicio | so here is not for users but ops? somerville32 | 01:46 |
| somerville32 | nicio, Not ops nor users - people who are interested in developing Ubuntu. | 01:46 |
| jdong | nicio: not ops, but developers. | 01:46 |
| somerville32 | Please see #ubuntu for user support and #ubuntu-ops for operators. | 01:46 |
| nicio | erf | 01:47 |
| nicio | ok i'm not a devel | 01:47 |
| somerville32 | :D | 01:47 |
| Hobbsee | hm, no, it just buggered the shortcuts. go figure. | 01:52 |
| Hobbsee | why isnt hardy broken yet, dammit? | 01:53 |
| Fujitsu | Hobbsee: It is! Think X. | 01:53 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: yeah, but that's avoidable. | 01:53 |
| somerville32 | Hobbsee, Solution: Automatically import the PPAs | 01:58 |
| Hobbsee | *snort* | 01:59 |
| Hobbsee | no thanks, i'd prefer not to become getdeb, or worse. | 01:59 |
| jdong | Hobbsee: ooh! I know! I'll import eclipse 3.3 and new Azureus! | 01:59 |
| * somerville32 has 6 (but really 7) uploads to Feisty. | 02:00 | |
| somerville32 | Pretty much half way to making the top 10 | 02:00 |
| Hobbsee | hah | 02:00 |
| * jdong sits impatiently waiting for the buildd to churn out gtkpod. | 02:01 | |
| somerville32 | Where is that motu-science list thinger? | 02:01 |
| somerville32 | people.ubuntu.com.au or something | 02:01 |
| * Hobbsee unsubscribes from more bugmail. | 02:01 | |
| * Lrrr_ wavez. | 02:04 | |
| * Lrrr_ is looking for an example of use of the data produced by Germinate. | 02:05 | |
| Hobbsee | Lrrr_: ubuntu-desktop metapackage would be a good start | 02:05 |
| Lrrr_ | mm | 02:05 |
| Lrrr_ | The source package? | 02:06 |
| Hobbsee | yes | 02:06 |
| Hobbsee | well, binaries too | 02:06 |
| Hobbsee | unsure what use the final data is, though - it's just lists of dependancies | 02:06 |
| Hobbsee | what are you trying to do? | 02:06 |
| Lrrr_ | I'm investigating the use of Germinate for a custom, Debian-based, distribution at work. | 02:07 |
| Lrrr_ | I thought Germinate was cool and all but could not go from that, to a distributable CD, for example. | 02:07 |
| Lrrr_ | I wondered what to do with the data. | 02:07 |
| Hobbsee | ah right, so you want to look at the seeds as well | 02:07 |
| Lrrr_ | I've seen the Ubuntu seeds. Made my own example. | 02:08 |
| Hobbsee | start with the seeds, run the update script in ubuntu-meta, and look at the output :) | 02:08 |
| Lrrr_ | I see. It's used to generate the list of package included in the respective Ubuntu & derivatives metapackages. | 02:10 |
| Hobbsee | yup | 02:10 |
| Lrrr_ | what package is used to generate the Ubuntu CDs? | 02:11 |
| LaserJock | Lrrr_: like to build the .isos? | 02:12 |
| Lrrr_ | yes | 02:12 |
| LaserJock | check out debian-cd, ubuntu-cdimage, and germinate | 02:13 |
| * Lrrr_ jumps for joy! germinate-to-tasks germinate-to-tasks! | 02:15 | |
| Lrrr_ | Now THAT was my missing link. | 02:16 |
| Lrrr_ | I certainly don't need that much complexity but that will help me understand how to use Germinate data. | 02:17 |
| Lrrr_ | thanks you LaserJock and Hobbsee | 02:17 |
| Hobbsee | no problem | 02:17 |
| === elkbuntu_ is now known as elkbuntu | ||
| nicio | can i ask a question to how to install a driver?i dont understand nothing | 03:04 |
| Hobbsee | #ubuntu for support. | 03:04 |
| nicio | im ban | 03:05 |
| Hobbsee | that doesnt make this the place for support, though | 03:05 |
| nicio | Hobbsee: it will be quik | 03:07 |
| Hobbsee | no, this still isnt the place for support | 03:07 |
| nicio | ok | 03:08 |
| Hobbsee | try the forums. | 03:08 |
| Hobbsee | oh, it's wii. | 03:08 |
| Hobbsee | problem solved. | 03:09 |
| TheMuso | lol | 03:09 |
| Hobbsee | (serial troll) | 03:09 |
| Hobbsee | bantracker FTW! | 03:10 |
| Hobbsee | hint: ban evasion is BAD. | 03:11 |
| knix | Hobbsee: Ban the entire abo.wanadoo.fr | 03:12 |
| knix | It's a bot | 03:12 |
| knix | It joins like 20 channels on oftc | 03:12 |
| Hobbsee | it's an isp, afaik. | 03:12 |
| Hobbsee | abo might not be. | 03:12 |
| knix | it has many names =/ | 03:13 |
| knix | and many isps | 03:13 |
| knix | erm | 03:13 |
| knix | ips | 03:13 |
| Hobbsee | yeah, and people get pissed off when we ban their entire ISP. | 03:13 |
| knix | heh | 03:13 |
| knix | Have you been getting the same stuff from noos.fr? | 03:14 |
| Hobbsee | dont remember :) | 03:14 |
| Hobbsee | only the really bad ones get remembered | 03:14 |
| Hobbsee | hiya cprov! | 03:14 |
| cprov | Hobbsee: hi there | 03:14 |
| Hobbsee | cprov: did you revolutionalise launchpad while you were away? | 03:15 |
| cprov | Hobbsee: before you complain, let me say that the builders are stopped for maintenance <wink> | 03:15 |
| Hobbsee | cprov: wasnt planning on it, i saw the announcement. | 03:15 |
| Hobbsee | cprov: i didnt think i complained that much, do i? :) | 03:15 |
| cprov | Hobbsee: well, no ... but I wasn't exactly away | 03:15 |
| StevenK | cprov: You ought to have been. | 03:16 |
| Hobbsee | oh, i thought you went to all hands | 03:16 |
| cprov | Hobbsee: you have been softened by the time | 03:16 |
| Hobbsee | cprov: still, there's a nice critical security bug for ppas to fix if you get bored... | 03:16 |
| cprov | Hobbsee: I'm at all hands, right. it doesn't mean I'm not coding | 03:16 |
| cprov | Hobbsee: We are aware of it | 03:17 |
| Hobbsee | cprov: oh. when i said 'away', i meant away from irc. | 03:17 |
| Hobbsee | not away from launchpad | 03:17 |
| cprov | Hobbsee: did you miss me that much, it was only away for dinner ... | 03:17 |
| Hobbsee | cprov: oh, i thought you hadnt been on for a couple of weeks. | 03:18 |
| cprov | Hobbsee: I was hiding | 03:18 |
| ajmitch | heh | 03:18 |
| Hobbsee | heh. smart, perahsp | 03:19 |
| cprov | Hobbsee: did a light talk about ppa today, I wish you and the other enthusiastic people from motu were here | 03:20 |
| Hobbsee | cprov: set up voip? :) | 03:20 |
| TheMuso | Certainly would have been nice to hear it. | 03:20 |
| Hobbsee | cprov: maybe some day. but all hands is supposed to be incredibly sekrit, dealing with the plans from the evil canonical empire, isnt it? | 03:21 |
| Hobbsee | s/from/of/ | 03:21 |
| cprov | Hobbsee: nah, there is not voip in AllHands, you might know why. | 03:21 |
| Hobbsee | cprov: only for the specific stuff that you actuallyw ant input about. but then the question is raised - why not do it at UDS? | 03:22 |
| cprov | Hobbsee: ehe, not that *evil* ... just megalomaniac at some sense, you know 'world domination' approach | 03:22 |
| Hobbsee | cprov: evil and world domination can go hand in hand. | 03:22 |
| cprov | Hobbsee: i didn't have time, was attending to class, launchpad-training | 03:23 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 03:23 |
| cprov | Hobbsee: and usually end up working very well | 03:23 |
| Hobbsee | cool :) | 03:24 |
| cprov | Hobbsee: it was quite a EOF (on my face) :) I got it, let me do some work to make you life easier. | 03:27 |
| Hobbsee | cprov: what kind of work? as in, what on? | 03:27 |
| cprov | Hobbsee: like, fixing the damn builders. | 03:28 |
| Hobbsee | cprov: woot! :D | 03:28 |
| Hobbsee | cprov: can you poke people into giving me buildd admin access too, while you're at it/ | 03:28 |
| cprov | Hobbsee: wot ? | 03:28 |
| Hobbsee | s/woot/yay/ | 03:28 |
| cprov | Hobbsee: seriously ? do you actually want to help us with it ? | 03:29 |
| cprov | Hobbsee: it's dirty. | 03:29 |
| Hobbsee | cprov: i would, yes. | 03:29 |
| Hobbsee | i'm aware of that, based on how often iv'e seen it break :) | 03:29 |
| cprov | Hobbsee: have you talked with tollef and/or colin ? how they feel about it ? | 03:29 |
| Hobbsee | cprov: i only spoke to sabdfl and tollef | 03:29 |
| Hobbsee | colin doesnt have a problem with it, but doesnt have the power to do it | 03:30 |
| Hobbsee | (although he gave me archive admin, and i've been messing around with that a bit) | 03:30 |
| Hobbsee | cprov: sabdfl was fine with it, on the agreement that i didnt "mess with the buildds", which is fair enough | 03:30 |
| cprov | Hobbsee: well, I guess that you could start getting access to the LP-actions already available, you are going to add more features to that. | 03:30 |
| Hobbsee | cprov: that would be the hope, yes. | 03:31 |
| Hobbsee | cprov: they seem to refuse to give me chinstrap access, so i'm stuck using LP UI's - and not doing it, if the LP section is broken. | 03:31 |
| cprov | Hobbsee: +1 (dunno, if my opinion really counts on this, but ..) | 03:31 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 03:31 |
| StevenK | Neat. There's no pending builds at all | 03:32 |
| StevenK | (Which is a lie, but anyway) | 03:33 |
| ajmitch | I'm sure that'll change | 03:33 |
| cprov | Hobbsee: you know what, you could do great if you have access to rescore builds, rescue builders and things like that (already available) | 03:33 |
| * TheMuso only has to process uus and be lucky enough to find 100% good debdiffs, and it will change. No argument. | 03:33 | |
| Hobbsee | cprov: indeed. which was the stuff i was after :) | 03:33 |
| Hobbsee | cprov: i havent been able to find an admin for long enough, that can actually add me to said team. | 03:33 |
| ajmitch | then we can all bug Hobbsee to do stuff for us | 03:34 |
| cprov | Hobbsee: specially in your TZ (ok, you are a workaholic, which is even better) | 03:34 |
| Hobbsee | cprov: obviously,i'd likely take more if offered, but i understand that you cant really offer it | 03:34 |
| Hobbsee | cprov: :P | 03:34 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: no you cant. no drescher access. | 03:34 |
| Hobbsee | that'd be the really useful one | 03:35 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: not yet, you mean | 03:35 |
| * Hobbsee taps fingers, and hums quietly | 03:35 | |
| ScottK | StevenK: Got a moment for a Debian New Maintainer question? | 03:35 |
| cprov | ajmitch: of course, you would prefer to bug her instead of me, he actually stays in the channel, I just show up once a while | 03:35 |
| ajmitch | cprov: plus Hobbsee is usually around at a (somewhat) sane time | 03:36 |
| * cprov nods | 03:37 | |
| Hobbsee | cprov: i doubt i can rescue builders - that would require ssh access, surely? | 03:38 |
| cprov | Hobbsee: not often | 03:39 |
| StevenK | ScottK: Sure | 03:39 |
| ScottK | StevenK: I'm about to send in may New Maintainer Application and they want First Name/Last Name. I go by my middle name. Should I put the name I actually use or my legal first name (both are on my signed key)? | 03:40 |
| bddebian | ScottK: How old are you again? You should be about retirement age by the time you get DD.. | 03:41 |
| * bddebian hides | 03:41 | |
| StevenK | ScottK: You are more well known as Scott, so I would put that - and I can think of another example. | 03:41 |
| ScottK | bddebian: Sounds about right. | 03:42 |
| ScottK | StevenK: Thanks. That's what I'll put then. | 03:42 |
| ScottK | StevenK: OK. I've applied. Now the clock starts ... | 03:43 |
| bddebian | ScottK: Do you you already have a sponsor? | 03:43 |
| StevenK | ScottK: Who's your advocate, and who signed your key? | 03:44 |
| ScottK | bddebian: Advocate, yes. | 03:44 |
| slangasek | hmm, all the DDs I know of who go by their middle name also don't use their first name on their key IDs | 03:44 |
| ScottK | slangasek: Well it said legal name, so I put the full legal name. | 03:44 |
| StevenK | slangasek: I could only think of Overfiend | 03:44 |
| bddebian | ScottK: Ah, cool | 03:44 |
| ScottK | StevenK: slangasek signed my key (thanks again) and Piotr Ożarowski is going to advocate for me. | 03:45 |
| ScottK | AKA POX | 03:45 |
| slangasek | StevenK: who also doesn't have the 'G.' listed on his key id, whatever it stands for | 03:45 |
| slangasek | (the others I know of are Ryan Murray and Isaac Jones) | 03:45 |
| StevenK | slangasek: Indeed. I think he's scared we might not think he's scary with a name like Garry or something. | 03:46 |
| bddebian | heh | 03:46 |
| StevenK | ScottK: Keep in mind (and slangasek is the same), that my legal name is Steven, but my key says Steve | 03:46 |
| ScottK | StevenK: OK. Well I clicked submit, so it's done for now. | 03:47 |
| * ScottK figured more information was better than less. | 03:47 | |
| slangasek | my legal name isn't Steven, thanks | 03:52 |
| * ScottK considers a Debian <-> Ubuntu IRC name association table. | 03:53 | |
| bddebian | hehe | 03:54 |
| manchicken_ | Anybody know if the default mysql-server package is compiled with --with-innodb? | 03:57 |
| manchicken_ | It looks like it is, but if you actually connect to the server it says that "has_innodb = DISABLED" | 03:58 |
| manchicken_ | or whatever the variable is. | 03:58 |
| ScottK | manchicken_: I'd suggest #ubuntu-server | 03:58 |
| manchicken_ | Righto. | 03:58 |
| === cprov is now known as cprov-zzz | ||
| gallr | wacom supports 64-bit? | 06:41 |
| tepsipakki | gallr: why wouldn't it? | 06:52 |
| * gallr slaps keescook around a bit with a large trout | 06:53 | |
| gallr | sorry | 06:53 |
| gallr | ok sounds good tepsipakki | 06:54 |
| gallr | us 002 Device 004: ID 056a:0017 Wacom Co., Ltd | 06:54 |
| tepsipakki | so it works? | 06:56 |
| warp10 | Hi all! | 07:11 |
| gallr | yep | 07:36 |
| siretart | slangasek: do you happen to know if the recent change in the SRU procedure (add a test-case description) should be applied to packages which are atm already in -proposed? | 08:16 |
| mantiena-baltix | Hi all | 08:50 |
| somerville32 | Hi | 08:51 |
| mantiena-baltix | maybe someone knows, where to find wubi developers ? I'm developing ubuntu-based distro and wubi-cdboot doesn't work with my CD - it says "Could not find any appropriate CD !" :( | 08:52 |
| === _nand_ is now known as nand` | ||
| superm1_ | mantiena-baltix, in #ubuntu-installer is where the main wubi guy comes | 08:55 |
| superm1_ | mantiena-baltix, xivulon is his name. | 08:56 |
| superm1_ | mantiena-baltix, i dont know his time zone though, so you'll have to see when he pops up next | 08:56 |
| mantiena-baltix | superm1_: thanks | 08:56 |
| === saispo is now known as saispoo | ||
| === saispoo is now known as saispo|o | ||
| === saispo|o is now known as saispo | ||
| jc-denton | hi all | 10:19 |
| jc-denton | how can i rebuild the aacraid driver w/o compiling the whole kernel? | 10:19 |
| jc-denton | its using dkms, but that's for redhat afaik | 10:19 |
| jc-denton | i guess compiling is a bit of development ;) | 10:19 |
| mantiena-baltix | jc-denton: I think you should ask such questions not at this channel, maybe #ubuntu-kernel is right for you ? | 10:22 |
| jc-denton | ah i did not know this channel | 10:25 |
| jc-denton | thx | 10:25 |
| jc-denton | humm however i get no answer there :( | 10:31 |
| gasp1 | jc-denton: is that driver inside the kernel or a third-party driver? | 10:34 |
| === gasp1 is now known as gaspa | ||
| jc-denton | both | 10:36 |
| jc-denton | but i got it from the adaptec website | 10:36 |
| jc-denton | because the version there is higher then the one that modinfo shows me | 10:37 |
| jc-denton | and i was having trouble with it | 10:37 |
| gaspa | ok, in that case module-assistant could be fine for you. | 10:38 |
| gaspa | you should have the right sources installed and configured | 10:38 |
| jc-denton | ah is there a wiki page how to use it | 10:38 |
| jc-denton | where do i have to place the driver sources, so they are found by module-assistant | 10:44 |
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| === Lure_ is now known as Lure | ||
| highvoltage | asac: ping | 12:11 |
| * Hobbsee de-spams ubuntu-devel | 12:19 | |
| * Mithrandir tickles Hobbsee | 12:21 | |
| * Hobbsee tickles Mithrandir back, holds him to the ground, and stomps his feet | 12:21 | |
| Hobbsee | good morning! | 12:22 |
| Mithrandir | morning | 12:23 |
| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: ah, it's you up early, as opposed to everyone else being eaten by sharks. gotcha. | 12:30 |
| Spads | Anyone here got a shark-bite kit? | 12:31 |
| Fujitsu | Spads: Of course, here. I always keep one around, just in case a shark makes it inland. | 12:36 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: you jus tneed to move to adelaide. | 12:37 |
| Fujitsu | Hobbsee: Good idea. | 12:38 |
| Hobbsee | they really do get eaten by sharks there | 12:38 |
| Hobbsee | and the locals tend to talk about it for a few weeks | 12:39 |
| Hobbsee | damned fear-mongering paper of theirs | 12:39 |
| Fujitsu | Heh. | 12:39 |
| Hobbsee | (disclaimer: Hobbsee is from adelaide herself) | 12:39 |
| * Fujitsu faints. | 12:39 | |
| Hobbsee | hm? | 12:41 |
| === zul_ is now known as zul | ||
| zul | morning | 12:51 |
| Seveas | Hobbsee, so that's why we can't throw you in a pool, shark fear :) | 13:34 |
| Hobbsee | Seveas: no, you cant throw me in the pool, as it might get you bashed up. | 13:35 |
| slangasek | siretart: I would assume not, but I suppose you should ask pitti | 13:35 |
| Seveas | I prefer the shark :) | 13:35 |
| Hobbsee | Seveas: a wise move. | 13:36 |
| Hobbsee | Seveas: although i'm not sure which would cause more pain | 13:36 |
| === chand[aw] is now known as chand | ||
| pitti | Good morning | 13:42 |
| zul | hi pitti | 13:43 |
| geser | Hi pitti | 13:44 |
| Hobbsee | tag, pitti | 13:47 |
| === Spads_ is now known as Spads | ||
| asac | highvoltage: pong | 13:51 |
| highvoltage | asac: is it possible to seperate the Firefox artwork from the firefox package, so that you could have another package to apply the mozilla artwork? | 13:54 |
| highvoltage | asac: it would make it easier to have an unbranded/gobuntu/iceweasel branded version in Gobuntu. | 13:54 |
| asac | in general yes ... if you want to contribute, you are welcome. I will have to check back with my mozilla contact though | 13:55 |
| asac | highvoltage: join #ubuntu-mozillateam :) | 13:55 |
| highvoltage | asac: right :) | 13:55 |
| ^robertj | ok, the protective gpt partition in mbr had the wrong tag assigned to it by the guided install and much unhappyness resulted, what package gets that bug? partman? grub2? | 13:56 |
| ^robertj | (-server install btw0 | 13:57 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 14:53 |
| === \sh is now known as \sh_away | ||
| mantiena-baltix | bigon: hi | 15:06 |
| mantiena-baltix | bigon: you closed bug #89431 - did you checked if VOIP works for you in empathy 0.14 ? | 15:08 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 89431 in empathy "Enable voip (audio/video talk) support in gossip-telepathy" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89431 | 15:08 |
| Zdra | mantiena-baltix: VoIP support in Empathy is extremely experimental and disabled by default in upstream | 15:11 |
| Zdra | I'm pretty sure it won't work well for most users... | 15:12 |
| bigon | mantiena-baltix: yep voip "works" with empathy, you need telepathy-stream-manager and a webcam | 15:12 |
| bigon | Zdra: :p | 15:12 |
| Zdra | bigon: it "works" but not stable at all :) | 15:12 |
| mantiena-baltix | bigon: for me it doesn't work at all, I don't have webcam, but have microphone | 15:19 |
| bigon | mantiena-baltix: you must start telepathy-stream-engine and set FS_VIDEO_SRC=videotestsrc is-live=true | 15:22 |
| bigon | mantiena-baltix: btw Zdra is the upstream dev :p | 15:23 |
| mantiena-baltix | Zdra: nice to meet you | 15:39 |
| mantiena-baltix | bigon: empathy does not start telepathy-stream-engine automatically ? | 15:41 |
| mantiena-baltix | glatzor: hi | 15:42 |
| glatzor | servus mantiena-baltix | 15:43 |
| Zdra | mantiena-baltix: yes, it's started magically, but it need to be installed | 15:43 |
| Zdra | mantiena-baltix: but if you want to start stream engine with some special parameters you have to start it manuelly first | 15:44 |
| bigon | mantiena-baltix: yes it does but you must pass FS_VIDEO_SRC=videotestsrc is-live=true before starting it | 15:46 |
| bigon | Zdra: does tp-se looks at the gstreamer-properties? | 15:47 |
| Robot101 | bigon: no, it's made of loss | 15:48 |
| mantiena-baltix | bigon: why I must set FS_VIDEO_SRC to videotestsrc | 15:48 |
| Robot101 | bigon: for audio it always uses alsa src/sink | 15:48 |
| bigon | mantiena-baltix: because tp-se always looks for a webcam | 15:48 |
| mantiena-baltix | and because of this it doesn't work for me ? | 15:49 |
| Robot101 | for video stuff it tries gconfvideosrc, v4l2src then v4lsrc | 15:49 |
| bigon | if tp-se takes 100% of cpu time, yes it the reason | 15:49 |
| Robot101 | so it will use the gst-properties choice of video input device | 15:49 |
| mantiena-baltix | btw, maybe it's enough to set video input to videotestsrc in gstreamer-properties ? | 15:51 |
| mantiena-baltix | bigon: yes, it uses 100% CPU when I try to call to someone | 15:51 |
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| mantiena-baltix | bigon, Robot101: after setting video input to videotestsrc in gstreamer-properties calling dialog doesn't eat 100% CPU, but I still hear no sound and volume controls are grey and inactive :( | 16:19 |
| mantiena-baltix | maybe I can call to you for testing ? | 16:19 |
| bigon | mantiena-baltix: the control of the volume is not implemented yet | 16:19 |
| mantiena-baltix | bigon: hehe, it just shows nonworking volume control elements ? ;) | 16:21 |
| bigon | mantiena-baltix: yep, are you sure your microphone is working in gst-proprerties? | 16:38 |
| mantiena-baltix | yes, I got working VOIP at least ;) | 16:40 |
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| mantiena-baltix | bigon: thanks for help | 16:45 |
| pitti | ArneGoetje: bzr get lp:langpack-o-matic | 17:06 |
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| slangasek | pitti: that command gives me a really awesome stack trace :) | 17:17 |
| slangasek | (on gutsy) | 17:17 |
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| soc | hi | 18:08 |
| soc | will libsoprano be updated the next few days or is it worth to build it on my own? | 18:09 |
| soc | because kde4 requires now a higher version than the one shipped in hardy | 18:09 |
| soc | someone? | 18:12 |
| Riddell | soc: I can't say when it'll be updated | 18:13 |
| Riddell | probably next week | 18:13 |
| soc | ah ok | 18:14 |
| soc | thanks ... | 18:14 |
| Lure | soc: it is probably easier to just use soprano from kde svn (kdesupport module) - just remove soprano packages | 18:18 |
| soc | ah ok | 18:18 |
| soc | thanks! | 18:18 |
| soc | about the encryption plans of hardy: | 18:18 |
| soc | is it intended that one can just put in his usbstick in and use the additional partition? | 18:19 |
| Lure | soc: that what they are looking for for kubuntu | 18:20 |
| soc | ah cool | 18:20 |
| Lure | soc: similar as opensuse 10.3 | 18:20 |
| soc | because currently with device mapper you have to put the stick in before you boot | 18:20 |
| soc | and thats really crappy | 18:20 |
| soc | additionally, IF i choose to encrypt something, i would be happy if the kernel/ubuntu wouldn't complain the whole time at the startup if the stick isn't put in | 18:21 |
| soc | i can't understand that | 18:23 |
| soc | IF a person decides to encrypt something, it would be sensible that the kernel wouldn't tell everyone that there is an encrypted partition | 18:24 |
| hunger | So far a package for hardy needs about 1.7 times longer to build as it did in gutsy:-( Is that due to the new gcc or were only the big guns compiled so far? | 18:32 |
| soc | :-) | 18:45 |
| soc | looks like gcc is really getting slower and slower over time :-/ | 18:45 |
| hunger | Yeap, I am afraid so. | 18:46 |
| nny | working on one of these new eee pc laptops. Does anyone have a site with good init boot time reduction or ways to speed up the boot process? | 18:48 |
| hunger | soc: I am a bit concerned as it will take about 6month to build all the source packages for hardy... and I was only counting the successful builds, too. | 18:55 |
| tonyyarusso | nny: Well, I know you can use the 'bootchart' package to find where the bottlenecks are, but I don't know how to fix them. | 18:56 |
| nny | ok thanks thats a start | 18:57 |
| nny | not so bad right now, using alt cli install (523 MB) | 18:57 |
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| soc | hunger: right ... | 19:18 |
| soc | maybe it will be fixed in time ... | 19:18 |
| soc | if not, hardware upgrades might be necessary | 19:18 |
| soc | and with people having the change to build there own personal repo pressure won't get less --- | 19:19 |
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| siretart | crimsun: your @ncat.edu mail account is over quota. If you are interested in my signature for that uid, ping me for resending the mail to you | 19:45 |
| === fabbione_ is now known as fabbione | ||
| soc | hunger: http://kerneltrap.org/Linux/Compiler_Misoptimizations | 19:54 |
| soc | maybe that's is part of the problem ... | 19:54 |
| hunger | soc: There was a mail on gcc-devel recently where one compiled some code with several versions of GCC. The 4.3 produced the slowest code, took the longest to compile and produced the biggest binary:-( | 19:56 |
| hunger | soc: The response was along the lines of "but it is better anyway":-( | 19:57 |
| broonie | hunger: "See, higher benchmarks in everything!" | 19:58 |
| * hunger waits for the xorg-mess to straighten itself out. Somebody bumped the packages in the build queue recently:-) | 20:04 | |
| soc | :-) | 20:04 |
| soc | hunger: sometime gcc devs are weird ... | 20:04 |
| soc | maybe we need something like ecgs again, to wake people up .. | 20:04 |
| hunger | soc: What do you expect? They spend their time on open source;-) | 20:05 |
| soc | :-P | 20:05 |
| soc | btw, i just wonder, why we can't use one or two compiler versions ... not FOUR! | 20:05 |
| hunger | soc: yeap, we'd need an xorg-for-compilers. | 20:05 |
| soc | i have gcc 3.3, 3.4, 4.1, 4.2 installed here | 20:05 |
| hunger | soc: 3.4 is from the libc5 IIRC. | 20:06 |
| soc | 3.3 is only needed for sun-java and fglrx kernel mess | 20:06 |
| hunger | Dunno why there is a 4.1 around. | 20:06 |
| soc | 3.4 for ghemical and some progs i never heard of | 20:07 |
| hunger | But then that was the default compiler in gutsy (at least on my system), so maybe they just did not get round to remove it yet. | 20:07 |
| soc | 4.1 is completely useless.. | 20:07 |
| hunger | soc: Isen't cpp-x.y enough for that? | 20:07 |
| soc | lsen't? | 20:07 |
| hunger | soc: Some programs need the cpp from an outdated gcc for some reason or another. | 20:08 |
| hunger | soc: Sorry, it's gcc-3.3-base that is needed for the old libc stuff, not gcc-base-3.4 | 20:09 |
| soc | those programs should be fixed up ... | 20:09 |
| soc | but of course, ati is one of the candidates again | 20:10 |
| soc | how could i think, that they would leave out a chance to produce mess? | 20:10 |
| hunger | soc: Actually the LSB says it is OK IIRC, so there is little a distri can do. | 20:10 |
| soc | yes, of course | 20:11 |
| * hunger wonders how big gnustep-base is... running for 9h on one of the buildservers already. | 20:11 | |
| soc | but on the other side, it would be nice if programs would have fewer dependencies | 20:12 |
| soc | and old compiler versions might be a dependencie easy to fix ... | 20:12 |
| hunger | soc: Not always. | 20:13 |
| * hunger is waiting for the new freeciv for ages now... and it is still in the pending queue. | 20:14 | |
| hunger | At least it is packaged already. | 20:14 |
| hunger | I'd love to be able to "vote" for packages in the build queue on LP;-) | 20:15 |
| === jcm is now known as jonmasters | ||
| jonmasters | Anyone seen Martin Pitt? | 20:16 |
| * jonmasters is in Plymouth looking for him | 20:16 | |
| jcastro | he's upstairs | 20:16 |
| jcastro | jonmasters: he's in a meeting | 20:16 |
| jonmasters | If someone can ping him, it would be *awesome* | 20:16 |
| jonmasters | Ah. | 20:16 |
| jcastro | I'll ping him irl and have him get ahold of you | 20:17 |
| jonmasters | jcastro: no rush, I'm working from this little coffee shop called kiskadee | 20:17 |
| jcastro | yeah it'll probably be like 40 minutes or so | 20:18 |
| jonmasters | I'll hang out here, and if he's around, cool, otherwise I'll ping him later. But I drove down, so if he's around, it would be cool. Whatever works! | 20:18 |
| jonmasters | no problem. | 20:18 |
| jcastro | oh, you're in plymouth? | 20:18 |
| Keybuk | jonmasters: we're in a meeting until 4pm, and then there's a group trip somewhere :-/ | 20:20 |
| Keybuk | though you may be able to grab him for 15 mins in between the two :) | 20:20 |
| jonmasters | Keybuk: well, I've got 4 hours of parking and am sitting having coffee. If he has time, awesome. If not, no big deal. | 20:22 |
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| Keybuk | http://patches.ubuntu.com/by-release/extracted | 20:30 |
| Keybuk | ^ still experimental | 20:30 |
| jonmasters | Keybuk: btw, someone really should document that "there is no unstable ubuntu" and explain the differences between Debian and Ubuntu in terms of development. | 20:32 |
| * jonmasters installed Hardy recently to keep up with the Jones' | 20:32 | |
| Keybuk | jonmasters: it's somewhere in the wiki | 20:32 |
| jonmasters | Keybuk: -ENOTFOUND | 20:33 |
| jonmasters | I only finally realized this when I tried to dist-upgrade to a non-existent tree | 20:33 |
| * jonmasters thought there might be something beyond Hardy | 20:33 | |
| jonmasters | (an unstable branch) | 20:33 |
| Keybuk | jonmasters: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuForDebianDevelopers | 20:34 |
| jonmasters | Keybuk: yes, I specifically read that. It specifically does not mention this ;-) | 20:34 |
| Keybuk | jonmasters: mail Colin, it probably should | 20:35 |
| jonmasters | It implies this, but does not state it. | 20:35 |
| jonmasters | Keybuk: thanks. I'm just trying to help! | 20:35 |
| jonmasters | ;-) | 20:35 |
| Keybuk | we don't have a permanently unstable branch | 20:35 |
| Keybuk | instead we have a development (next release) and stable (current release) | 20:35 |
| jonmasters | right. Which means it's more like Fedora than I thought | 20:35 |
| jonmasters | :-P | 20:35 |
| Keybuk | heh | 20:35 |
| jonmasters | (joke) | 20:35 |
| Keybuk | didn't Fedora reorganise their entire community structure to match Ubuntu's where possible? :p | 20:36 |
| ^robertj | is there a workaround for bug #160803 | 20:48 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 160803 in ubiquity "can't install grub on device > 2.1TB, guided partitinioning assigns wrong type to masking partition" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/160803 | 20:48 |
| soc | hi | 20:52 |
| soc | i'm just wondering what will be the cornerstones upon 8.04 will be built ... | 20:52 |
| soc | i assume x.org 7.3, server 1.4, linux 2.6.24, gcc-4.2, gnome 2.22, kde 3.5.8 | 20:53 |
| soc | correct me if i'm wrong! | 20:53 |
| soc | OOo 2.4?/3? upstart 0.5? | 20:56 |
| soc | working radeonhd/nouveau? | 20:56 |
| Kmos | something like that, i think too =) | 20:56 |
| soc | :-) | 20:56 |
| Mithrandir | soc: take a look at the specs? | 20:57 |
| soc | the uds ones? | 20:57 |
| Kmos | soc: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy | 20:57 |
| soc | mh | 20:58 |
| soc | not really much ,,, | 20:58 |
| Tonohono | glad to see 24 was decided upon. using rc-1 on my 64bit laptop bumped battery life up ~40 minutes. | 21:00 |
| soc | Tonohono: how that? | 21:02 |
| soc | i'm quite happy beacuse of the new wirless stack ... | 21:02 |
| Tonohono | tickless idle for 64 bit finally | 21:02 |
| Tonohono | on packaged 22 kernel, powertop reports 400+ wake ups/second. with 24, I got it down to under 30. | 21:03 |
| Tonohono | Battery loved me for it | 21:03 |
| soc | cool | 21:04 |
| soc | i'll try that immediately :-) | 21:04 |
| Tonohono | good luck~ | 21:04 |
| soc | i have 300-600 wakeups/s with 2.6.22 | 21:06 |
| soc | but i'm compiling kde4 and dist-upgrading ... | 21:06 |
| Tonohono | Ah | 21:06 |
| soc | hope the 2.6.24 gets in soon | 21:07 |
| soc | afaik, .24 will have merged i386/amd64 archs | 21:07 |
| Tonohono | mhmm. rc2 released today, havent had time to give it a whirl yet | 21:07 |
| Tonohono | aye, it will. went through half the rc1 changelog during a very, very slow day at work | 21:08 |
| soc | ^lol | 21:08 |
| soc | that was a very slooooooow day ... compressed changelog was 11 mb afair | 21:09 |
| Tonohono | somewhere around there, yeah | 21:09 |
| soc | :-) | 21:10 |
| soc | i'm very interested in the new iwl driver from intel ... | 21:11 |
| soc | i hope it works! | 21:11 |
| pwnguin | it does | 21:11 |
| pwnguin | theres a few tricks to getting it to work in gutsy | 21:12 |
| soc | Linux 2.6.24 will have a lot of new wireless drivers using the new stack, 2,3 MB of source files in total | 21:12 |
| soc | iwlwifi (intel), rt2x00 (ralink), adm8211 (admtek), b43 + b43legacy (broadcom), p54 (prism) | 21:14 |
| soc | this looks _really_ good! | 21:14 |
| tepsipakki | soc: noveau has no maintainer in debian, fwiw | 21:14 |
| tepsipakki | so it's not in ubuntu either | 21:15 |
| Tonohono | pwnguin, any online sources ye know off getting the iwl driver to run under gutsy? it's still might finnicky for me | 21:15 |
| tepsipakki | soc: maintaining it would mean tracking upstream drm/mesa closely | 21:15 |
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| soc | mhh | 21:15 |
| soc | tepsipakki: i see the problem ... | 21:15 |
| pwnguin | Tonohono: lemme check my irclogs | 21:15 |
| soc | they often have their own dri/drm trees with additional patches | 21:16 |
| soc | would be hard to get a perfect combination between stable xserver and brandnew nouveau ... | 21:16 |
| tepsipakki | soc: exactly | 21:17 |
| tepsipakki | and since there is no release.. | 21:17 |
| ajmitch | tepsipakki: RAOF has been packaging it in a PPA, though | 21:17 |
| tepsipakki | ajmitch: oh, I think I've seen that some time ago | 21:18 |
| tepsipakki | maybe he knows how painful it is :9 | 21:18 |
| tepsipakki | *:) | 21:18 |
| * ajmitch doubts that it'll really be ready enough for hardy | 21:19 | |
| pwnguin | < RAOF> Epox_Ardere_: You'd put ipw3945 into the /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist file, and add iwl3945 to /etc/modules | 21:20 |
| pwnguin | #ubuntu-motu.log-01:58 < RAOF> Epox_Ardere_: And be on Gutsy, and have linux-generic (or linux-rt) installed. | 21:20 |
| ajmitch | maybe the drm stuff will have settled down a bit, but they're trying to move modesetting stuff into the kernel as well | 21:20 |
| Tonohono | oh, thanks pwnguin | 21:21 |
| pwnguin | Tonohono: there may be more | 21:22 |
| Tonohono | alrighty | 21:22 |
| tepsipakki | ajmitch: yeah, and that's not going in 2.6.24, maybe .25 | 21:23 |
| ajmitch | always chasing after a stable interface.. :) | 21:23 |
| * pwnguin wishes for irclogs.ubuntu.com search | 21:24 | |
| ajmitch | wget & grep | 21:24 |
| ajmitch | or maybe google search can help you | 21:24 |
| pwnguin | or google | 21:24 |
| pwnguin | but i seem to have more than google does | 21:25 |
| pwnguin | Tonohono: from my irssi logs <amar*nth> had to add ATTRS{type}=="1" in 70-persistent-net.rules | 21:28 |
| pwnguin | Tonohono: i recall having to do something similar | 21:29 |
| Tonohono | noted~ | 21:29 |
| Tonohono | thanks again, i'll poke at it this evening when I try out rc2 | 21:29 |
| Kopfgeldjaeger | n8 | 21:36 |
| * jonmasters will swing by Plymouth again tomorrow. | 21:55 | |
| somerville32 | Is releases.ubuntu.com still short on hd space? | 22:00 |
| * jonmasters is hanging out in Plymouth for a while longer. Gonna head back to Cambridge in a few. | 22:07 | |
| soc | Tonohono: ok, back ... | 22:29 |
| soc | just thought about it ... | 22:30 |
| soc | wireless looks quite stable after all now | 22:30 |
| soc | new drivers are coming, but i don't think kernel devs will significantly change the framework in the next few months | 22:31 |
| soc | but with hardy we might had one of the last stable things on the graphics side ... | 22:31 |
| soc | with things like gallium3d in 2008 some breakage will be guaranteed ... | 22:31 |
| soc | whole ttm looks good at the moment, but people will need some time with it ... | 22:32 |
| soc | question is how smooth the transition to gallium3d will be | 22:33 |
| soc | how long they will maintain their non-gallium, pre opengl3 code ... | 22:33 |
| hubuntu | regarding the kernel.. Is there any way to try other kernels with ubuntu? | 22:47 |
| hubuntu | GNU/Solaris GNU/Hurd and the like? | 22:47 |
| hubuntu | (writing a presentation about ubuntu and I just want to hace it plain from the sources :) | 22:48 |
| soc | does someone know when we get the first kernel update in hardy? | 22:49 |
| LaserJock | hubuntu: I think Nexenta is basically Ubuntu with Solaris kernel | 22:50 |
| LaserJock | I don't think anybody's tried Hurd | 22:50 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: ping? | 22:50 |
| hubuntu | I knew about nexenta, but was thinking more of project indiana and trying to see if there's a ubuntu connection.. Thanks | 22:51 |
| hubuntu | or som GNU endorsed ubuntu (like gnewsense is, and maybe Gobuntu will become...) | 22:52 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I have no idea | 22:52 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: Yo | 22:53 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: have you ever tried Ubuntu/Hurd ? | 22:54 |
| bddebian | I wanted to but no | 22:54 |
| bddebian | Might be possible now. Before we were waay behind on glibc vers | 22:54 |
| sladen_ | hubuntu: there aren't /that/ many kernels around | 22:56 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: it's up to 2.1 now? | 22:56 |
| bddebian | haha | 22:57 |
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| hubuntu | sladen: I know but I heard the Hurd is getting better and wondered if the darwin/fink people is up to some ubuntu love... Just trying to update the ubuntu presentation for the spanish speaking users | 22:59 |
| hubuntu | Not that relevant, but... It's better to check, right? | 22:59 |
| sladen | hubuntu: there was the debian knetbsd, and we do have the nexenta example that it can be done | 23:00 |
| sladen | hubuntu: Linux has driver support. Linux has momentum. Linux has backing, and R&D and hotplug, and, and and... | 23:00 |
| sladen | hubuntu: this is why Linux as a kernel is attractive. If the OpenSolaris kernel takes momentum then, I'm sure people would switch | 23:01 |
| sladen | hubuntu: Ubuntu generally tries to deliver the best and ensuring that "what nearly works" gets turned into "it just works" | 23:01 |
| sladen | hubuntu: and it's always possible that somebody even forks the Linux kernel and takes that fork into a more attractive version. See Xf86/Xorg ubuntu jumped faster than most people | 23:03 |
| johanbr | I guess you could say many distro kernel trees are forks in a way. | 23:05 |
| hubuntu | true | 23:07 |
| hubuntu | I have another one for you guys: Is the LPIA port ("low-power on Intel architecture") officially supported or community supported? | 23:08 |
| mjg59 | Official, but you can't buy the hardware yet | 23:09 |
| hubuntu | but you can test it on the nokia devices, right? | 23:09 |
| mjg59 | No, they're arm, not intel | 23:11 |
| mjg59 | Based on a TI chip | 23:11 |
| hubuntu | ok... | 23:11 |
| mjg59 | The Nokia devices aren't targetted | 23:11 |
| hubuntu | I see. But is much of their code used in the lpia port? | 23:11 |
| mjg59 | Nokia's? Yes. | 23:12 |
| hubuntu | Is the gnome mobile platform then supported for both lpia & arm? | 23:12 |
| hubuntu | or are we using something else on lpia (guess not, but better dumb asking than sorry not knowing..) | 23:13 |
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| pwnguin | hubuntu: there was some commotion a few days ago about a community based ARM port | 23:18 |
| === Mez|Away is now known as Mez | ||
| hubuntu | pwguin... Cool. Ubuntu on my nokia phone would be nice... :) A community port should definitely be welcomed... The Ubuntu skin for S60 is not as good as having the real thing... | 23:20 |
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| === Mez|Away is now known as Mez | ||
| === Mez|Away is now known as Mez | ||
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