=== chuck__ is now known as zul [00:56] morning all [00:56] hi === luisbg_ is now known as luisbg [01:16] is there anything anti-HIGgy about if gnome-screensaver reported failed unlock via libnotify bubble? [01:17] I mean, there's already a mechanism for g-s to pop up libnotify (for leaving message) -- I'd like to know how many times, and at what time, people tried and failed to unlock my screen. [01:17] would that be a crackpot feature request to file, or does it sound reasonable? [01:19] I don't like how it is now. I think there should be a widget to launch an application to view the events. [01:20] And there should be a field to put your name in for the message. [01:20] Maybe even integrate it with ldap and a network messaging mechanism. [01:24] somerville32: that would be cool too :) [01:24] somerville32: IMO there also needs an event viewer for update-manager post-update messages [01:24] * somerville32 nods. [01:24] somerville32: some of the messages shown, it's unreasonable to expect the user to remember them 2 weeks later [01:25] I agree completely. [01:25] i.e. xserver-xgl tells the user to touch ~/something/disable to disable XGl for the user [01:25] I mean, how the heck is the user supposed to remember that? Pull out a sticky note? [01:25] hehe [01:25] :) [01:25] Maybe Tomboy? :P [01:25] haha, that'd be a good april fools feature addition [01:26] all libnotify events get saved to tomboy [01:26] and you have to use tracker to find them. [01:27] lol [01:27] And we'll have Microsft Bob giving hints and suggestions. [01:30] jdong: Seriously, I think a notification caching applet would be a nice thing to have. [01:30] johanbr: yeah [01:31] johanbr: IMO ideally the system log viewer applet should be extended to being able to aggregate per-user events into a per-user type log too [01:32] * jdong wonders if a dbus/hal powered syslog clone would be a good idea or satire of dbus :D [01:32] uh oh. volume keys broke [01:32] jdong: Why not just create a log that the current system log view can understand? [01:34] hmm... firefox needs to die. [01:34] So, sudo thinks my timestamp is in the future. And it is. Clock got changed. [01:35] sudo -v doesn't seem to help [01:35] open about a dozen gnome-terminals [01:35] then open one more and sudo -s in that one [01:35] then blow away the timestamp dir [01:35] wasabi: sudo -K? [01:35] Nope, just tells me it's in teh future [01:36] somerville32: that looks cool, but it seems like HAL and DBUS are the buzzwords nowadays [01:36] wasabi; it is the only way [01:36] somerville32: and everything should be done over it, yada yada yada [01:36] lol [01:36] What is the only way? [01:36] jdong: No, we should be doing everything of KDE4's HAL Abstraction Layer. [01:36] s/of/over/ [01:37] Fujitsu: we might need to abstract that too just in case AmaroK2's abstraction layer of the KDE4 abstraction layer needs to be fed into a lower abstraction layer :) [01:40] Why doesn't sudo just reprompt for the password in this case? [01:45] what is devel? [01:45] nicio, Development [01:46] so here is not for users but ops? somerville32 [01:46] nicio, Not ops nor users - people who are interested in developing Ubuntu. [01:46] nicio: not ops, but developers. [01:46] Please see #ubuntu for user support and #ubuntu-ops for operators. [01:47] erf [01:47] ok i'm not a devel [01:47] :D [01:52] hm, no, it just buggered the shortcuts. go figure. [01:53] why isnt hardy broken yet, dammit? [01:53] Hobbsee: It is! Think X. [01:53] Fujitsu: yeah, but that's avoidable. [01:58] Hobbsee, Solution: Automatically import the PPAs [01:59] *snort* [01:59] no thanks, i'd prefer not to become getdeb, or worse. [01:59] Hobbsee: ooh! I know! I'll import eclipse 3.3 and new Azureus! [02:00] * somerville32 has 6 (but really 7) uploads to Feisty. [02:00] Pretty much half way to making the top 10 [02:00] hah [02:01] * jdong sits impatiently waiting for the buildd to churn out gtkpod. [02:01] Where is that motu-science list thinger? [02:01] people.ubuntu.com.au or something [02:01] * Hobbsee unsubscribes from more bugmail. [02:04] * Lrrr_ wavez. [02:05] * Lrrr_ is looking for an example of use of the data produced by Germinate. [02:05] Lrrr_: ubuntu-desktop metapackage would be a good start [02:05] mm [02:06] The source package? [02:06] yes [02:06] well, binaries too [02:06] unsure what use the final data is, though - it's just lists of dependancies [02:06] what are you trying to do? [02:07] I'm investigating the use of Germinate for a custom, Debian-based, distribution at work. [02:07] I thought Germinate was cool and all but could not go from that, to a distributable CD, for example. [02:07] I wondered what to do with the data. [02:07] ah right, so you want to look at the seeds as well [02:08] I've seen the Ubuntu seeds. Made my own example. [02:08] start with the seeds, run the update script in ubuntu-meta, and look at the output :) [02:10] I see. It's used to generate the list of package included in the respective Ubuntu & derivatives metapackages. [02:10] yup [02:11] what package is used to generate the Ubuntu CDs? [02:12] Lrrr_: like to build the .isos? [02:12] yes [02:13] check out debian-cd, ubuntu-cdimage, and germinate [02:15] * Lrrr_ jumps for joy! germinate-to-tasks germinate-to-tasks! [02:16] Now THAT was my missing link. [02:17] I certainly don't need that much complexity but that will help me understand how to use Germinate data. [02:17] thanks you LaserJock and Hobbsee [02:17] no problem === elkbuntu_ is now known as elkbuntu [03:04] can i ask a question to how to install a driver?i dont understand nothing [03:04] #ubuntu for support. [03:05] im ban [03:05] that doesnt make this the place for support, though [03:07] Hobbsee: it will be quik [03:07] no, this still isnt the place for support [03:08] ok [03:08] try the forums. [03:08] oh, it's wii. [03:09] problem solved. [03:09] lol [03:09] (serial troll) [03:10] bantracker FTW! [03:11] hint: ban evasion is BAD. [03:12] Hobbsee: Ban the entire abo.wanadoo.fr [03:12] It's a bot [03:12] It joins like 20 channels on oftc [03:12] it's an isp, afaik. [03:12] abo might not be. [03:13] it has many names =/ [03:13] and many isps [03:13] erm [03:13] ips [03:13] yeah, and people get pissed off when we ban their entire ISP. [03:13] heh [03:14] Have you been getting the same stuff from noos.fr? [03:14] dont remember :) [03:14] only the really bad ones get remembered [03:14] hiya cprov! [03:14] Hobbsee: hi there [03:15] cprov: did you revolutionalise launchpad while you were away? [03:15] Hobbsee: before you complain, let me say that the builders are stopped for maintenance [03:15] cprov: wasnt planning on it, i saw the announcement. [03:15] cprov: i didnt think i complained that much, do i? :) [03:15] Hobbsee: well, no ... but I wasn't exactly away [03:16] cprov: You ought to have been. [03:16] oh, i thought you went to all hands [03:16] Hobbsee: you have been softened by the time [03:16] cprov: still, there's a nice critical security bug for ppas to fix if you get bored... [03:16] Hobbsee: I'm at all hands, right. it doesn't mean I'm not coding [03:17] Hobbsee: We are aware of it [03:17] cprov: oh. when i said 'away', i meant away from irc. [03:17] not away from launchpad [03:17] Hobbsee: did you miss me that much, it was only away for dinner ... [03:18] cprov: oh, i thought you hadnt been on for a couple of weeks. [03:18] Hobbsee: I was hiding [03:18] heh [03:19] heh. smart, perahsp [03:20] Hobbsee: did a light talk about ppa today, I wish you and the other enthusiastic people from motu were here [03:20] cprov: set up voip? :) [03:20] Certainly would have been nice to hear it. [03:21] cprov: maybe some day. but all hands is supposed to be incredibly sekrit, dealing with the plans from the evil canonical empire, isnt it? [03:21] s/from/of/ [03:21] Hobbsee: nah, there is not voip in AllHands, you might know why. [03:22] cprov: only for the specific stuff that you actuallyw ant input about. but then the question is raised - why not do it at UDS? [03:22] Hobbsee: ehe, not that *evil* ... just megalomaniac at some sense, you know 'world domination' approach [03:22] cprov: evil and world domination can go hand in hand. [03:23] Hobbsee: i didn't have time, was attending to class, launchpad-training [03:23] ah [03:23] Hobbsee: and usually end up working very well [03:24] cool :) [03:27] Hobbsee: it was quite a EOF (on my face) :) I got it, let me do some work to make you life easier. [03:27] cprov: what kind of work? as in, what on? [03:28] Hobbsee: like, fixing the damn builders. [03:28] cprov: woot! :D [03:28] cprov: can you poke people into giving me buildd admin access too, while you're at it/ [03:28] Hobbsee: wot ? [03:28] s/woot/yay/ [03:29] Hobbsee: seriously ? do you actually want to help us with it ? [03:29] Hobbsee: it's dirty. [03:29] cprov: i would, yes. [03:29] i'm aware of that, based on how often iv'e seen it break :) [03:29] Hobbsee: have you talked with tollef and/or colin ? how they feel about it ? [03:29] cprov: i only spoke to sabdfl and tollef [03:30] colin doesnt have a problem with it, but doesnt have the power to do it [03:30] (although he gave me archive admin, and i've been messing around with that a bit) [03:30] cprov: sabdfl was fine with it, on the agreement that i didnt "mess with the buildds", which is fair enough [03:30] Hobbsee: well, I guess that you could start getting access to the LP-actions already available, you are going to add more features to that. [03:31] cprov: that would be the hope, yes. [03:31] cprov: they seem to refuse to give me chinstrap access, so i'm stuck using LP UI's - and not doing it, if the LP section is broken. [03:31] Hobbsee: +1 (dunno, if my opinion really counts on this, but ..) [03:31] :) [03:32] Neat. There's no pending builds at all [03:33] (Which is a lie, but anyway) [03:33] I'm sure that'll change [03:33] Hobbsee: you know what, you could do great if you have access to rescore builds, rescue builders and things like that (already available) [03:33] * TheMuso only has to process uus and be lucky enough to find 100% good debdiffs, and it will change. No argument. [03:33] cprov: indeed. which was the stuff i was after :) [03:33] cprov: i havent been able to find an admin for long enough, that can actually add me to said team. [03:34] then we can all bug Hobbsee to do stuff for us [03:34] Hobbsee: specially in your TZ (ok, you are a workaholic, which is even better) [03:34] cprov: obviously,i'd likely take more if offered, but i understand that you cant really offer it [03:34] cprov: :P [03:34] ajmitch: no you cant. no drescher access. [03:35] that'd be the really useful one [03:35] Hobbsee: not yet, you mean [03:35] * Hobbsee taps fingers, and hums quietly [03:35] StevenK: Got a moment for a Debian New Maintainer question? [03:35] ajmitch: of course, you would prefer to bug her instead of me, he actually stays in the channel, I just show up once a while [03:36] cprov: plus Hobbsee is usually around at a (somewhat) sane time [03:37] * cprov nods [03:38] cprov: i doubt i can rescue builders - that would require ssh access, surely? [03:39] Hobbsee: not often [03:39] ScottK: Sure [03:40] StevenK: I'm about to send in may New Maintainer Application and they want First Name/Last Name. I go by my middle name. Should I put the name I actually use or my legal first name (both are on my signed key)? [03:41] ScottK: How old are you again? You should be about retirement age by the time you get DD.. [03:41] * bddebian hides [03:41] ScottK: You are more well known as Scott, so I would put that - and I can think of another example. [03:42] bddebian: Sounds about right. [03:42] StevenK: Thanks. That's what I'll put then. [03:43] StevenK: OK. I've applied. Now the clock starts ... [03:43] ScottK: Do you you already have a sponsor? [03:44] ScottK: Who's your advocate, and who signed your key? [03:44] bddebian: Advocate, yes. [03:44] hmm, all the DDs I know of who go by their middle name also don't use their first name on their key IDs [03:44] slangasek: Well it said legal name, so I put the full legal name. [03:44] slangasek: I could only think of Overfiend [03:44] ScottK: Ah, cool [03:45] StevenK: slangasek signed my key (thanks again) and Piotr Ożarowski is going to advocate for me. [03:45] AKA POX [03:45] StevenK: who also doesn't have the 'G.' listed on his key id, whatever it stands for [03:45] (the others I know of are Ryan Murray and Isaac Jones) [03:46] slangasek: Indeed. I think he's scared we might not think he's scary with a name like Garry or something. [03:46] heh [03:46] ScottK: Keep in mind (and slangasek is the same), that my legal name is Steven, but my key says Steve [03:47] StevenK: OK. Well I clicked submit, so it's done for now. [03:47] * ScottK figured more information was better than less. [03:52] my legal name isn't Steven, thanks [03:53] * ScottK considers a Debian <-> Ubuntu IRC name association table. [03:54] hehe [03:57] Anybody know if the default mysql-server package is compiled with --with-innodb? [03:58] It looks like it is, but if you actually connect to the server it says that "has_innodb = DISABLED" [03:58] or whatever the variable is. [03:58] manchicken_: I'd suggest #ubuntu-server [03:58] Righto. === cprov is now known as cprov-zzz [06:41] wacom supports 64-bit? [06:52] gallr: why wouldn't it? [06:53] * gallr slaps keescook around a bit with a large trout [06:53] sorry [06:54] ok sounds good tepsipakki [06:54] us 002 Device 004: ID 056a:0017 Wacom Co., Ltd [06:56] so it works? [07:11] Hi all! [07:36] yep [08:16] slangasek: do you happen to know if the recent change in the SRU procedure (add a test-case description) should be applied to packages which are atm already in -proposed? [08:50] Hi all [08:51] Hi [08:52] maybe someone knows, where to find wubi developers ? I'm developing ubuntu-based distro and wubi-cdboot doesn't work with my CD - it says "Could not find any appropriate CD !" :( === _nand_ is now known as nand` [08:55] mantiena-baltix, in #ubuntu-installer is where the main wubi guy comes [08:56] mantiena-baltix, xivulon is his name. [08:56] mantiena-baltix, i dont know his time zone though, so you'll have to see when he pops up next [08:56] superm1_: thanks === saispo is now known as saispoo === saispoo is now known as saispo|o === saispo|o is now known as saispo [10:19] hi all [10:19] how can i rebuild the aacraid driver w/o compiling the whole kernel? [10:19] its using dkms, but that's for redhat afaik [10:19] i guess compiling is a bit of development ;) [10:22] jc-denton: I think you should ask such questions not at this channel, maybe #ubuntu-kernel is right for you ? [10:25] ah i did not know this channel [10:25] thx [10:31] humm however i get no answer there :( [10:34] jc-denton: is that driver inside the kernel or a third-party driver? === gasp1 is now known as gaspa [10:36] both [10:36] but i got it from the adaptec website [10:37] because the version there is higher then the one that modinfo shows me [10:37] and i was having trouble with it [10:38] ok, in that case module-assistant could be fine for you. [10:38] you should have the right sources installed and configured [10:38] ah is there a wiki page how to use it [10:44] where do i have to place the driver sources, so they are found by module-assistant === carlos_ is now known as carlos === Lure_ is now known as Lure [12:11] asac: ping [12:19] * Hobbsee de-spams ubuntu-devel [12:21] * Mithrandir tickles Hobbsee [12:21] * Hobbsee tickles Mithrandir back, holds him to the ground, and stomps his feet [12:22] good morning! [12:23] morning [12:30] Mithrandir: ah, it's you up early, as opposed to everyone else being eaten by sharks. gotcha. [12:31] Anyone here got a shark-bite kit? [12:36] Spads: Of course, here. I always keep one around, just in case a shark makes it inland. [12:37] Fujitsu: you jus tneed to move to adelaide. [12:38] Hobbsee: Good idea. [12:38] they really do get eaten by sharks there [12:39] and the locals tend to talk about it for a few weeks [12:39] damned fear-mongering paper of theirs [12:39] Heh. [12:39] (disclaimer: Hobbsee is from adelaide herself) [12:39] * Fujitsu faints. [12:41] hm? === zul_ is now known as zul [12:51] morning [13:34] Hobbsee, so that's why we can't throw you in a pool, shark fear :) [13:35] Seveas: no, you cant throw me in the pool, as it might get you bashed up. [13:35] siretart: I would assume not, but I suppose you should ask pitti [13:35] I prefer the shark :) [13:36] Seveas: a wise move. [13:36] Seveas: although i'm not sure which would cause more pain === chand[aw] is now known as chand [13:42] Good morning [13:43] hi pitti [13:44] Hi pitti [13:47] tag, pitti === Spads_ is now known as Spads [13:51] highvoltage: pong [13:54] asac: is it possible to seperate the Firefox artwork from the firefox package, so that you could have another package to apply the mozilla artwork? [13:54] asac: it would make it easier to have an unbranded/gobuntu/iceweasel branded version in Gobuntu. [13:55] in general yes ... if you want to contribute, you are welcome. I will have to check back with my mozilla contact though [13:55] highvoltage: join #ubuntu-mozillateam :) [13:55] asac: right :) [13:56] <^robertj> ok, the protective gpt partition in mbr had the wrong tag assigned to it by the guided install and much unhappyness resulted, what package gets that bug? partman? grub2? [13:57] <^robertj> (-server install btw0 === \sh_away is now known as \sh [14:53] Heya === \sh is now known as \sh_away [15:06] bigon: hi [15:08] bigon: you closed bug #89431 - did you checked if VOIP works for you in empathy 0.14 ? [15:08] Launchpad bug 89431 in empathy "Enable voip (audio/video talk) support in gossip-telepathy" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89431 [15:11] mantiena-baltix: VoIP support in Empathy is extremely experimental and disabled by default in upstream [15:12] I'm pretty sure it won't work well for most users... [15:12] mantiena-baltix: yep voip "works" with empathy, you need telepathy-stream-manager and a webcam [15:12] Zdra: :p [15:12] bigon: it "works" but not stable at all :) [15:19] bigon: for me it doesn't work at all, I don't have webcam, but have microphone [15:22] mantiena-baltix: you must start telepathy-stream-engine and set FS_VIDEO_SRC=videotestsrc is-live=true [15:23] mantiena-baltix: btw Zdra is the upstream dev :p [15:39] Zdra: nice to meet you [15:41] bigon: empathy does not start telepathy-stream-engine automatically ? [15:42] glatzor: hi [15:43] servus mantiena-baltix [15:43] mantiena-baltix: yes, it's started magically, but it need to be installed [15:44] mantiena-baltix: but if you want to start stream engine with some special parameters you have to start it manuelly first [15:46] mantiena-baltix: yes it does but you must pass FS_VIDEO_SRC=videotestsrc is-live=true before starting it [15:47] Zdra: does tp-se looks at the gstreamer-properties? [15:48] bigon: no, it's made of loss [15:48] bigon: why I must set FS_VIDEO_SRC to videotestsrc [15:48] bigon: for audio it always uses alsa src/sink [15:48] mantiena-baltix: because tp-se always looks for a webcam [15:49] and because of this it doesn't work for me ? [15:49] for video stuff it tries gconfvideosrc, v4l2src then v4lsrc [15:49] if tp-se takes 100% of cpu time, yes it the reason [15:49] so it will use the gst-properties choice of video input device [15:51] btw, maybe it's enough to set video input to videotestsrc in gstreamer-properties ? [15:51] bigon: yes, it uses 100% CPU when I try to call to someone === iceman_ is now known as iceman [16:19] bigon, Robot101: after setting video input to videotestsrc in gstreamer-properties calling dialog doesn't eat 100% CPU, but I still hear no sound and volume controls are grey and inactive :( [16:19] maybe I can call to you for testing ? [16:19] mantiena-baltix: the control of the volume is not implemented yet [16:21] bigon: hehe, it just shows nonworking volume control elements ? ;) [16:38] mantiena-baltix: yep, are you sure your microphone is working in gst-proprerties? [16:40] yes, I got working VOIP at least ;) === pedro is now known as pedro_ [16:45] bigon: thanks for help [17:06] ArneGoetje: bzr get lp:langpack-o-matic === carlos__ is now known as carlos [17:17] pitti: that command gives me a really awesome stack trace :) [17:17] (on gutsy) === pedro is now known as pedro_ === fabbione_ is now known as fabbione === superm1_ is now known as superm1 [18:08] hi [18:09] will libsoprano be updated the next few days or is it worth to build it on my own? [18:09] because kde4 requires now a higher version than the one shipped in hardy [18:12] someone? [18:13] soc: I can't say when it'll be updated [18:13] probably next week [18:14] ah ok [18:14] thanks ... [18:18] soc: it is probably easier to just use soprano from kde svn (kdesupport module) - just remove soprano packages [18:18] ah ok [18:18] thanks! [18:18] about the encryption plans of hardy: [18:19] is it intended that one can just put in his usbstick in and use the additional partition? [18:20] soc: that what they are looking for for kubuntu [18:20] ah cool [18:20] soc: similar as opensuse 10.3 [18:20] because currently with device mapper you have to put the stick in before you boot [18:20] and thats really crappy [18:21] additionally, IF i choose to encrypt something, i would be happy if the kernel/ubuntu wouldn't complain the whole time at the startup if the stick isn't put in [18:23] i can't understand that [18:24] IF a person decides to encrypt something, it would be sensible that the kernel wouldn't tell everyone that there is an encrypted partition [18:32] So far a package for hardy needs about 1.7 times longer to build as it did in gutsy:-( Is that due to the new gcc or were only the big guns compiled so far? [18:45] :-) [18:45] looks like gcc is really getting slower and slower over time :-/ [18:46] Yeap, I am afraid so. [18:48] working on one of these new eee pc laptops. Does anyone have a site with good init boot time reduction or ways to speed up the boot process? [18:55] soc: I am a bit concerned as it will take about 6month to build all the source packages for hardy... and I was only counting the successful builds, too. [18:56] nny: Well, I know you can use the 'bootchart' package to find where the bottlenecks are, but I don't know how to fix them. [18:57] ok thanks thats a start [18:57] not so bad right now, using alt cli install (523 MB) === pedro is now known as pedro_ [19:18] hunger: right ... [19:18] maybe it will be fixed in time ... [19:18] if not, hardware upgrades might be necessary [19:19] and with people having the change to build there own personal repo pressure won't get less --- === mdz__ is now known as mdz [19:45] crimsun: your @ncat.edu mail account is over quota. If you are interested in my signature for that uid, ping me for resending the mail to you === fabbione_ is now known as fabbione [19:54] hunger: http://kerneltrap.org/Linux/Compiler_Misoptimizations [19:54] maybe that's is part of the problem ... [19:56] soc: There was a mail on gcc-devel recently where one compiled some code with several versions of GCC. The 4.3 produced the slowest code, took the longest to compile and produced the biggest binary:-( [19:57] soc: The response was along the lines of "but it is better anyway":-( [19:58] hunger: "See, higher benchmarks in everything!" [20:04] * hunger waits for the xorg-mess to straighten itself out. Somebody bumped the packages in the build queue recently:-) [20:04] :-) [20:04] hunger: sometime gcc devs are weird ... [20:04] maybe we need something like ecgs again, to wake people up .. [20:05] soc: What do you expect? They spend their time on open source;-) [20:05] :-P [20:05] btw, i just wonder, why we can't use one or two compiler versions ... not FOUR! [20:05] soc: yeap, we'd need an xorg-for-compilers. [20:05] i have gcc 3.3, 3.4, 4.1, 4.2 installed here [20:06] soc: 3.4 is from the libc5 IIRC. [20:06] 3.3 is only needed for sun-java and fglrx kernel mess [20:06] Dunno why there is a 4.1 around. [20:07] 3.4 for ghemical and some progs i never heard of [20:07] But then that was the default compiler in gutsy (at least on my system), so maybe they just did not get round to remove it yet. [20:07] 4.1 is completely useless.. [20:07] soc: Isen't cpp-x.y enough for that? [20:07] lsen't? [20:08] soc: Some programs need the cpp from an outdated gcc for some reason or another. [20:09] soc: Sorry, it's gcc-3.3-base that is needed for the old libc stuff, not gcc-base-3.4 [20:09] those programs should be fixed up ... [20:10] but of course, ati is one of the candidates again [20:10] how could i think, that they would leave out a chance to produce mess? [20:10] soc: Actually the LSB says it is OK IIRC, so there is little a distri can do. [20:11] yes, of course [20:11] * hunger wonders how big gnustep-base is... running for 9h on one of the buildservers already. [20:12] but on the other side, it would be nice if programs would have fewer dependencies [20:12] and old compiler versions might be a dependencie easy to fix ... [20:13] soc: Not always. [20:14] * hunger is waiting for the new freeciv for ages now... and it is still in the pending queue. [20:14] At least it is packaged already. [20:15] I'd love to be able to "vote" for packages in the build queue on LP;-) === jcm is now known as jonmasters [20:16] Anyone seen Martin Pitt? [20:16] * jonmasters is in Plymouth looking for him [20:16] he's upstairs [20:16] jonmasters: he's in a meeting [20:16] If someone can ping him, it would be *awesome* [20:16] Ah. [20:17] I'll ping him irl and have him get ahold of you [20:17] jcastro: no rush, I'm working from this little coffee shop called kiskadee [20:18] yeah it'll probably be like 40 minutes or so [20:18] I'll hang out here, and if he's around, cool, otherwise I'll ping him later. But I drove down, so if he's around, it would be cool. Whatever works! [20:18] no problem. [20:18] oh, you're in plymouth? [20:20] jonmasters: we're in a meeting until 4pm, and then there's a group trip somewhere :-/ [20:20] though you may be able to grab him for 15 mins in between the two :) [20:22] Keybuk: well, I've got 4 hours of parking and am sitting having coffee. If he has time, awesome. If not, no big deal. === pedro is now known as pedro_ [20:30] http://patches.ubuntu.com/by-release/extracted [20:30] ^ still experimental [20:32] Keybuk: btw, someone really should document that "there is no unstable ubuntu" and explain the differences between Debian and Ubuntu in terms of development. [20:32] * jonmasters installed Hardy recently to keep up with the Jones' [20:32] jonmasters: it's somewhere in the wiki [20:33] Keybuk: -ENOTFOUND [20:33] I only finally realized this when I tried to dist-upgrade to a non-existent tree [20:33] * jonmasters thought there might be something beyond Hardy [20:33] (an unstable branch) [20:34] jonmasters: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuForDebianDevelopers [20:34] Keybuk: yes, I specifically read that. It specifically does not mention this ;-) [20:35] jonmasters: mail Colin, it probably should [20:35] It implies this, but does not state it. [20:35] Keybuk: thanks. I'm just trying to help! [20:35] ;-) [20:35] we don't have a permanently unstable branch [20:35] instead we have a development (next release) and stable (current release) [20:35] right. Which means it's more like Fedora than I thought [20:35] :-P [20:35] heh [20:35] (joke) [20:36] didn't Fedora reorganise their entire community structure to match Ubuntu's where possible? :p [20:48] <^robertj> is there a workaround for bug #160803 [20:48] Launchpad bug 160803 in ubiquity "can't install grub on device > 2.1TB, guided partitinioning assigns wrong type to masking partition" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/160803 [20:52] hi [20:52] i'm just wondering what will be the cornerstones upon 8.04 will be built ... [20:53] i assume x.org 7.3, server 1.4, linux 2.6.24, gcc-4.2, gnome 2.22, kde 3.5.8 [20:53] correct me if i'm wrong! [20:56] OOo 2.4?/3? upstart 0.5? [20:56] working radeonhd/nouveau? [20:56] something like that, i think too =) [20:56] :-) [20:57] soc: take a look at the specs? [20:57] the uds ones? [20:57] soc: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy [20:58] mh [20:58] not really much ,,, [21:00] glad to see 24 was decided upon. using rc-1 on my 64bit laptop bumped battery life up ~40 minutes. [21:02] Tonohono: how that? [21:02] i'm quite happy beacuse of the new wirless stack ... [21:02] tickless idle for 64 bit finally [21:03] on packaged 22 kernel, powertop reports 400+ wake ups/second. with 24, I got it down to under 30. [21:03] Battery loved me for it [21:04] cool [21:04] i'll try that immediately :-) [21:04] good luck~ [21:06] i have 300-600 wakeups/s with 2.6.22 [21:06] but i'm compiling kde4 and dist-upgrading ... [21:06] Ah [21:07] hope the 2.6.24 gets in soon [21:07] afaik, .24 will have merged i386/amd64 archs [21:07] mhmm. rc2 released today, havent had time to give it a whirl yet [21:08] aye, it will. went through half the rc1 changelog during a very, very slow day at work [21:08] ^lol [21:09] that was a very slooooooow day ... compressed changelog was 11 mb afair [21:09] somewhere around there, yeah [21:10] :-) [21:11] i'm very interested in the new iwl driver from intel ... [21:11] i hope it works! [21:11] it does [21:12] theres a few tricks to getting it to work in gutsy [21:12] Linux 2.6.24 will have a lot of new wireless drivers using the new stack, 2,3 MB of source files in total [21:14] iwlwifi (intel), rt2x00 (ralink), adm8211 (admtek), b43 + b43legacy (broadcom), p54 (prism) [21:14] this looks _really_ good! [21:14] soc: noveau has no maintainer in debian, fwiw [21:15] so it's not in ubuntu either [21:15] pwnguin, any online sources ye know off getting the iwl driver to run under gutsy? it's still might finnicky for me [21:15] soc: maintaining it would mean tracking upstream drm/mesa closely === Lure_ is now known as Lure [21:15] mhh [21:15] tepsipakki: i see the problem ... [21:15] Tonohono: lemme check my irclogs [21:16] they often have their own dri/drm trees with additional patches [21:16] would be hard to get a perfect combination between stable xserver and brandnew nouveau ... [21:17] soc: exactly [21:17] and since there is no release.. [21:17] tepsipakki: RAOF has been packaging it in a PPA, though [21:18] ajmitch: oh, I think I've seen that some time ago [21:18] maybe he knows how painful it is :9 [21:18] *:) [21:19] * ajmitch doubts that it'll really be ready enough for hardy [21:20] < RAOF> Epox_Ardere_: You'd put ipw3945 into the /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist file, and add iwl3945 to /etc/modules [21:20] #ubuntu-motu.log-01:58 < RAOF> Epox_Ardere_: And be on Gutsy, and have linux-generic (or linux-rt) installed. [21:20] maybe the drm stuff will have settled down a bit, but they're trying to move modesetting stuff into the kernel as well [21:21] oh, thanks pwnguin [21:22] Tonohono: there may be more [21:22] alrighty [21:23] ajmitch: yeah, and that's not going in 2.6.24, maybe .25 [21:23] always chasing after a stable interface.. :) [21:24] * pwnguin wishes for irclogs.ubuntu.com search [21:24] wget & grep [21:24] or maybe google search can help you [21:24] or google [21:25] but i seem to have more than google does [21:28] Tonohono: from my irssi logs had to add ATTRS{type}=="1" in 70-persistent-net.rules [21:29] Tonohono: i recall having to do something similar [21:29] noted~ [21:29] thanks again, i'll poke at it this evening when I try out rc2 [21:36] n8 [21:55] * jonmasters will swing by Plymouth again tomorrow. [22:00] Is releases.ubuntu.com still short on hd space? [22:07] * jonmasters is hanging out in Plymouth for a while longer. Gonna head back to Cambridge in a few. [22:29] Tonohono: ok, back ... [22:30] just thought about it ... [22:30] wireless looks quite stable after all now [22:31] new drivers are coming, but i don't think kernel devs will significantly change the framework in the next few months [22:31] but with hardy we might had one of the last stable things on the graphics side ... [22:31] with things like gallium3d in 2008 some breakage will be guaranteed ... [22:32] whole ttm looks good at the moment, but people will need some time with it ... [22:33] question is how smooth the transition to gallium3d will be [22:33] how long they will maintain their non-gallium, pre opengl3 code ... [22:47] regarding the kernel.. Is there any way to try other kernels with ubuntu? [22:47] GNU/Solaris GNU/Hurd and the like? [22:48] (writing a presentation about ubuntu and I just want to hace it plain from the sources :) [22:49] does someone know when we get the first kernel update in hardy? [22:50] hubuntu: I think Nexenta is basically Ubuntu with Solaris kernel [22:50] I don't think anybody's tried Hurd [22:50] bddebian: ping? [22:51] I knew about nexenta, but was thinking more of project indiana and trying to see if there's a ubuntu connection.. Thanks [22:52] or som GNU endorsed ubuntu (like gnewsense is, and maybe Gobuntu will become...) [22:52] hmm, I have no idea [22:53] LaserJock: Yo [22:54] bddebian: have you ever tried Ubuntu/Hurd ? [22:54] I wanted to but no [22:54] Might be possible now. Before we were waay behind on glibc vers [22:56] hubuntu: there aren't /that/ many kernels around [22:56] bddebian: it's up to 2.1 now? [22:57] haha === sladen_ is now known as sladen [22:59] sladen: I know but I heard the Hurd is getting better and wondered if the darwin/fink people is up to some ubuntu love... Just trying to update the ubuntu presentation for the spanish speaking users [22:59] Not that relevant, but... It's better to check, right? [23:00] hubuntu: there was the debian knetbsd, and we do have the nexenta example that it can be done [23:00] hubuntu: Linux has driver support. Linux has momentum. Linux has backing, and R&D and hotplug, and, and and... [23:01] hubuntu: this is why Linux as a kernel is attractive. If the OpenSolaris kernel takes momentum then, I'm sure people would switch [23:01] hubuntu: Ubuntu generally tries to deliver the best and ensuring that "what nearly works" gets turned into "it just works" [23:03] hubuntu: and it's always possible that somebody even forks the Linux kernel and takes that fork into a more attractive version. See Xf86/Xorg ubuntu jumped faster than most people [23:05] I guess you could say many distro kernel trees are forks in a way. [23:07] true [23:08] I have another one for you guys: Is the LPIA port ("low-power on Intel architecture") officially supported or community supported? [23:09] Official, but you can't buy the hardware yet [23:09] but you can test it on the nokia devices, right? [23:11] No, they're arm, not intel [23:11] Based on a TI chip [23:11] ok... [23:11] The Nokia devices aren't targetted [23:11] I see. But is much of their code used in the lpia port? [23:12] Nokia's? Yes. [23:12] Is the gnome mobile platform then supported for both lpia & arm? [23:13] or are we using something else on lpia (guess not, but better dumb asking than sorry not knowing..) === Mez|Away is now known as Mez [23:18] hubuntu: there was some commotion a few days ago about a community based ARM port === Mez|Away is now known as Mez [23:20] pwguin... Cool. Ubuntu on my nokia phone would be nice... :) A community port should definitely be welcomed... The Ubuntu skin for S60 is not as good as having the real thing... === Mez|Away is now known as Mez === Mez|Away is now known as Mez === Mez|Away is now known as Mez === asac_ is now known as asac