[00:56] <Hobbsee> morning all
[00:56] <ajmitch> hi
[01:16] <jdong> is there anything  anti-HIGgy about if gnome-screensaver reported failed unlock via libnotify bubble?
[01:17] <jdong> I mean, there's already a mechanism for g-s to pop up libnotify (for leaving message) -- I'd like to know how many times, and at what time, people tried and failed to unlock my screen.
[01:17] <jdong> would that be a crackpot feature request to file, or does it sound reasonable?
[01:19] <somerville32> I don't like how it is now. I think there should be a widget to launch an application to view the events.
[01:20] <somerville32> And there should be a field to put your name in for the message.
[01:20] <somerville32> Maybe even integrate it with ldap and a network messaging mechanism.
[01:24] <jdong> somerville32: that would be cool too :)
[01:24] <jdong> somerville32: IMO there also needs an event viewer for update-manager post-update messages
[01:24]  * somerville32 nods.
[01:24] <jdong> somerville32: some of the messages shown, it's unreasonable to expect the user to remember them 2 weeks later
[01:25] <somerville32> I agree completely.
[01:25] <jdong> i.e. xserver-xgl tells the user to touch ~/something/disable to disable XGl for the user
[01:25] <jdong> I mean, how the heck is the user supposed to remember that? Pull out a sticky note?
[01:25] <somerville32> hehe
[01:25] <jdong> :)
[01:25] <somerville32> Maybe Tomboy? :P
[01:25] <jdong> haha, that'd be a good april fools feature addition
[01:26] <jdong> all libnotify events get saved to tomboy
[01:26] <jdong> and you have to use tracker to find them.
[01:27] <somerville32> lol
[01:27] <somerville32> And we'll have Microsft Bob giving hints and suggestions.
[01:30] <johanbr> jdong: Seriously, I think a notification caching applet would be a nice thing to have.
[01:30] <jdong> johanbr: yeah
[01:31] <jdong> johanbr: IMO ideally the system log viewer applet should be extended to being able to aggregate per-user events into a per-user type log too
[01:32]  * jdong wonders if a dbus/hal powered syslog clone would be a good idea or satire of dbus :D
[01:32] <Hobbsee> uh oh.  volume keys broke
[01:32] <somerville32> jdong: Why not just create a log that the current system log view can understand?
[01:34] <somerville32> hmm... firefox needs to die.
[01:34] <wasabi> So, sudo thinks my timestamp is in the future. And it is. Clock got changed.
[01:35] <wasabi> sudo -v doesn't seem to help
[01:35] <desrt> open about a dozen gnome-terminals
[01:35] <desrt> then open one more and sudo -s in that one
[01:35] <desrt> then blow away the timestamp dir
[01:35] <Fujitsu> wasabi: sudo -K?
[01:35] <wasabi> Nope, just tells me it's in teh future
[01:36] <jdong> somerville32: that looks cool, but it seems like HAL and DBUS are the buzzwords nowadays
[01:36] <desrt> wasabi; it is the only way
[01:36] <jdong> somerville32: and everything should be done over it, yada yada yada
[01:36] <somerville32> lol
[01:36] <wasabi> What is the only way?
[01:36] <Fujitsu> jdong: No, we should be doing everything of KDE4's HAL Abstraction Layer.
[01:36] <Fujitsu> s/of/over/
[01:37] <jdong> Fujitsu: we might need to abstract that too just in case AmaroK2's abstraction layer of the KDE4 abstraction layer needs to be fed into a lower abstraction layer :)
[01:40] <wasabi> Why doesn't sudo just reprompt for the password in this case?
[01:45] <nicio> what is devel?
[01:45] <somerville32> nicio, Development
[01:46] <nicio> so here is not for users but ops? somerville32
[01:46] <somerville32> nicio, Not ops nor users - people who are interested in developing Ubuntu.
[01:46] <jdong> nicio: not ops, but developers.
[01:46] <somerville32> Please see #ubuntu for user support and #ubuntu-ops for operators.
[01:47] <nicio> erf
[01:47] <nicio> ok i'm not a devel
[01:47] <somerville32> :D
[01:52] <Hobbsee> hm, no, it just buggered the shortcuts.  go figure.
[01:53] <Hobbsee> why isnt hardy broken yet, dammit?
[01:53] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: It is! Think X.
[01:53] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: yeah, but that's avoidable.
[01:58] <somerville32> Hobbsee, Solution: Automatically import the PPAs
[01:59] <Hobbsee> *snort*
[01:59] <Hobbsee> no thanks, i'd prefer not to become getdeb, or worse.
[01:59] <jdong> Hobbsee: ooh! I know! I'll import eclipse 3.3 and new Azureus!
[02:00]  * somerville32 has 6 (but really 7) uploads to Feisty.
[02:00] <somerville32> Pretty much half way to making the top 10
[02:00] <Hobbsee> hah
[02:01]  * jdong sits impatiently waiting for the buildd to churn out gtkpod.
[02:01] <somerville32> Where is that motu-science list thinger?
[02:01] <somerville32> people.ubuntu.com.au or something
[02:01]  * Hobbsee unsubscribes from more bugmail.
[02:04]  * Lrrr_ wavez.
[02:05]  * Lrrr_ is looking for an example of use of the data produced by Germinate.
[02:05] <Hobbsee> Lrrr_: ubuntu-desktop metapackage would be a good start
[02:05] <Lrrr_> mm
[02:06] <Lrrr_> The source package?
[02:06] <Hobbsee> yes
[02:06] <Hobbsee> well, binaries too
[02:06] <Hobbsee> unsure what use the final data is, though - it's just lists of dependancies
[02:06] <Hobbsee> what are you trying to do?
[02:07] <Lrrr_> I'm investigating the use of Germinate for a custom, Debian-based, distribution at work.
[02:07] <Lrrr_> I thought Germinate was cool and all but could not go from that, to a distributable CD, for example.
[02:07] <Lrrr_> I wondered what to do with the data.
[02:07] <Hobbsee> ah right, so you want to look at the seeds as well
[02:08] <Lrrr_> I've seen the Ubuntu seeds.  Made my own example.
[02:08] <Hobbsee> start with the seeds, run the update script in ubuntu-meta, and look at the output :)
[02:10] <Lrrr_> I see.  It's used to generate the list of package included in the respective Ubuntu & derivatives metapackages.
[02:10] <Hobbsee> yup
[02:11] <Lrrr_> what package is used to generate the Ubuntu CDs?
[02:12] <LaserJock> Lrrr_: like to build the .isos?
[02:12] <Lrrr_> yes
[02:13] <LaserJock> check out debian-cd, ubuntu-cdimage, and germinate
[02:15]  * Lrrr_ jumps for joy! germinate-to-tasks germinate-to-tasks!
[02:16] <Lrrr_> Now THAT was my missing link.
[02:17] <Lrrr_> I certainly don't need that much complexity but that will help me understand how to use Germinate data.
[02:17] <Lrrr_> thanks you LaserJock and Hobbsee
[02:17] <Hobbsee> no problem
[03:04] <nicio> can i ask a question to how to install a driver?i dont understand nothing
[03:04] <Hobbsee> #ubuntu for support.
[03:05] <nicio> im ban
[03:05] <Hobbsee> that doesnt make this the place for support, though
[03:07] <nicio> Hobbsee: it will be quik
[03:07] <Hobbsee> no, this still isnt the place for support
[03:08] <nicio> ok
[03:08] <Hobbsee> try the forums.
[03:08] <Hobbsee> oh, it's wii.
[03:09] <Hobbsee> problem solved.
[03:09] <TheMuso> lol
[03:09] <Hobbsee> (serial troll)
[03:10] <Hobbsee> bantracker FTW!
[03:11] <Hobbsee> hint:  ban evasion is BAD.
[03:12] <knix> Hobbsee: Ban the entire abo.wanadoo.fr
[03:12] <knix> It's a bot
[03:12] <knix> It joins like 20 channels on oftc
[03:12] <Hobbsee> it's an isp, afaik.
[03:12] <Hobbsee> abo might not be.
[03:13] <knix> it has many names =/
[03:13] <knix> and many isps
[03:13] <knix> erm
[03:13] <knix> ips
[03:13] <Hobbsee> yeah, and people get pissed off when we ban their entire ISP.
[03:13] <knix> heh
[03:14] <knix> Have you been getting the same stuff from noos.fr?
[03:14] <Hobbsee> dont remember :)
[03:14] <Hobbsee> only the really bad ones get remembered
[03:14] <Hobbsee> hiya cprov!
[03:14] <cprov> Hobbsee: hi there
[03:15] <Hobbsee> cprov: did you revolutionalise launchpad while you were away?
[03:15] <cprov> Hobbsee: before you complain, let me say that the builders are stopped for maintenance <wink>
[03:15] <Hobbsee> cprov: wasnt planning on it, i saw the announcement.
[03:15] <Hobbsee> cprov: i didnt think i complained that much, do i?  :)
[03:15] <cprov> Hobbsee: well, no ... but I wasn't exactly away
[03:16] <StevenK> cprov: You ought to have been.
[03:16] <Hobbsee> oh, i thought you went to all hands
[03:16] <cprov> Hobbsee: you have been softened by the time
[03:16] <Hobbsee> cprov: still, there's a nice critical security bug for ppas to fix if you get bored...
[03:16] <cprov> Hobbsee: I'm at all hands, right. it doesn't mean I'm not coding
[03:17] <cprov> Hobbsee: We are aware of it
[03:17] <Hobbsee> cprov: oh.  when i said 'away', i meant away from irc.
[03:17] <Hobbsee> not away from launchpad
[03:17] <cprov> Hobbsee: did you miss me that much, it was only away for dinner ...
[03:18] <Hobbsee> cprov: oh, i thought you hadnt been on for a couple of weeks.
[03:18] <cprov> Hobbsee: I was hiding
[03:18] <ajmitch> heh
[03:19] <Hobbsee> heh.  smart, perahsp
[03:20] <cprov> Hobbsee: did a light talk about ppa today, I wish you and the other enthusiastic people from motu were here
[03:20] <Hobbsee> cprov: set up voip? :)
[03:20] <TheMuso> Certainly would have been nice to hear it.
[03:21] <Hobbsee> cprov: maybe some day.  but all hands is supposed to be incredibly sekrit, dealing with the plans from the evil canonical empire, isnt it?
[03:21] <Hobbsee> s/from/of/
[03:21] <cprov> Hobbsee: nah, there is not voip in AllHands, you might know why.
[03:22] <Hobbsee> cprov: only for the specific stuff that you actuallyw ant input about.  but then the question is raised - why not do it at UDS?
[03:22] <cprov> Hobbsee: ehe, not that *evil* ... just megalomaniac at some sense, you know 'world domination' approach
[03:22] <Hobbsee> cprov: evil and world domination can go hand in hand.
[03:23] <cprov> Hobbsee: i didn't have time, was attending to class, launchpad-training
[03:23] <Hobbsee> ah
[03:23] <cprov> Hobbsee: and usually end up working very well
[03:24] <Hobbsee> cool :)
[03:27] <cprov> Hobbsee: it was quite a EOF (on my face) :) I got it, let me do some work to make you life easier.
[03:27] <Hobbsee> cprov: what kind of work?  as in, what on?
[03:28] <cprov> Hobbsee: like, fixing the damn builders.
[03:28] <Hobbsee> cprov: woot!  :D
[03:28] <Hobbsee> cprov: can you poke people into giving me buildd admin access too, while you're at it/
[03:28] <cprov> Hobbsee: wot ?
[03:28] <Hobbsee> s/woot/yay/
[03:29] <cprov> Hobbsee: seriously ?  do you actually want to help us with it ?
[03:29] <cprov> Hobbsee: it's dirty.
[03:29] <Hobbsee> cprov: i would, yes.
[03:29] <Hobbsee> i'm aware of that, based on how often iv'e seen it break :)
[03:29] <cprov> Hobbsee: have you talked with tollef and/or colin ?  how they feel about it ?
[03:29] <Hobbsee> cprov: i only spoke to sabdfl and tollef
[03:30] <Hobbsee> colin doesnt have a problem with it, but doesnt have the power to do it
[03:30] <Hobbsee> (although he gave me archive admin, and i've been messing around with that a bit)
[03:30] <Hobbsee> cprov: sabdfl was fine with it, on the agreement that i didnt "mess with the buildds", which is fair enough
[03:30] <cprov> Hobbsee: well, I guess that you could start getting access to the LP-actions already available, you are going to add more features to that.
[03:31] <Hobbsee> cprov: that would be the hope, yes.
[03:31] <Hobbsee> cprov: they seem to refuse to give me chinstrap access, so i'm stuck using LP UI's - and not doing it, if the LP section is broken.
[03:31] <cprov> Hobbsee: +1 (dunno, if my opinion really counts on this, but ..)
[03:31] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:32] <StevenK> Neat. There's no pending builds at all
[03:33] <StevenK> (Which is a lie, but anyway)
[03:33] <ajmitch> I'm sure that'll change
[03:33] <cprov> Hobbsee: you know what, you could do great if you have access to rescore builds, rescue builders and things like that (already available)
[03:33]  * TheMuso only has to process uus and be lucky enough to find 100% good debdiffs, and it will change. No argument.
[03:33] <Hobbsee> cprov: indeed.  which was the stuff i was after :)
[03:33] <Hobbsee> cprov: i havent been able to find an admin for long enough, that can actually add me to said team.
[03:34] <ajmitch> then we can all bug Hobbsee to do stuff for us
[03:34] <cprov> Hobbsee: specially in your TZ (ok, you are a workaholic, which is even better)
[03:34] <Hobbsee> cprov: obviously,i'd likely take more if offered, but i understand that you cant really offer it
[03:34] <Hobbsee> cprov: :P
[03:34] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: no you cant.  no drescher access.
[03:35] <Hobbsee> that'd be the really useful one
[03:35] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: not yet, you mean
[03:35]  * Hobbsee taps fingers, and hums quietly
[03:35] <ScottK> StevenK: Got a moment for a Debian New Maintainer question?
[03:35] <cprov> ajmitch: of course, you would prefer to bug her instead of me, he actually stays in the channel, I just show up once a while
[03:36] <ajmitch> cprov: plus Hobbsee is usually around at a (somewhat) sane time
[03:37]  * cprov nods
[03:38] <Hobbsee> cprov: i doubt i can rescue builders - that would require ssh access, surely?
[03:39] <cprov> Hobbsee: not often
[03:39] <StevenK> ScottK: Sure
[03:40] <ScottK> StevenK: I'm about to send in may New Maintainer Application and they want First Name/Last Name.  I go by my middle name.  Should I put the name I actually use or my legal first name (both are on my signed key)?
[03:41] <bddebian> ScottK: How old are you again?  You should be about retirement age by the time you get DD..
[03:41]  * bddebian hides
[03:41] <StevenK> ScottK: You are more well known as Scott, so I would put that - and I can think of another example.
[03:42] <ScottK> bddebian: Sounds about right.
[03:42] <ScottK> StevenK: Thanks.  That's what I'll put then.
[03:43] <ScottK> StevenK: OK.  I've applied.  Now the clock starts ...
[03:43] <bddebian> ScottK: Do you you already have a sponsor?
[03:44] <StevenK> ScottK: Who's your advocate, and who signed your key?
[03:44] <ScottK> bddebian: Advocate, yes.
[03:44] <slangasek> hmm, all the DDs I know of who go by their middle name also don't use their first name on their key IDs
[03:44] <ScottK> slangasek: Well it said legal name, so I put the full legal name.
[03:44] <StevenK> slangasek: I could only think of Overfiend
[03:44] <bddebian> ScottK: Ah, cool
[03:45] <ScottK> StevenK: slangasek signed my key (thanks again) and Piotr Ożarowski is going to advocate for me.
[03:45] <ScottK> AKA POX
[03:45] <slangasek> StevenK: who also doesn't have the 'G.' listed on his key id, whatever it stands for
[03:45] <slangasek> (the others I know of are Ryan Murray and Isaac Jones)
[03:46] <StevenK> slangasek: Indeed. I think he's scared we might not think he's scary with a name like Garry or something.
[03:46] <bddebian> heh
[03:46] <StevenK> ScottK: Keep in mind (and slangasek is the same), that my legal name is Steven, but my key says Steve
[03:47] <ScottK> StevenK: OK.  Well I clicked submit, so it's done for now.
[03:47]  * ScottK figured more information was better than less.
[03:52] <slangasek> my legal name isn't Steven, thanks
[03:53]  * ScottK considers a Debian <-> Ubuntu IRC name association table.
[03:54] <bddebian> hehe
[03:57] <manchicken_> Anybody know if the default mysql-server package is compiled with --with-innodb?
[03:58] <manchicken_> It looks like it is, but if you actually connect to the server it says that "has_innodb = DISABLED"
[03:58] <manchicken_> or whatever the variable is.
[03:58] <ScottK> manchicken_: I'd suggest #ubuntu-server
[03:58] <manchicken_> Righto.
[06:41] <gallr> wacom supports 64-bit?
[06:52] <tepsipakki> gallr: why wouldn't it?
[06:53]  * gallr slaps keescook around a bit with a large trout
[06:53] <gallr> sorry
[06:54] <gallr> ok sounds good tepsipakki
[06:54] <gallr> us 002 Device 004: ID 056a:0017 Wacom Co., Ltd
[06:56] <tepsipakki> so it works?
[07:11] <warp10> Hi all!
[07:36] <gallr> yep
[08:16] <siretart> slangasek: do you happen to know if the recent change in the SRU procedure (add a test-case description) should be applied to packages which are atm already in -proposed?
[08:50] <mantiena-baltix> Hi all
[08:51] <somerville32> Hi
[08:52] <mantiena-baltix> maybe someone knows, where to find wubi developers ? I'm developing ubuntu-based distro and wubi-cdboot doesn't work with my CD - it says "Could not find any appropriate CD !" :(
[08:55] <superm1_> mantiena-baltix, in #ubuntu-installer is where the main wubi guy comes
[08:56] <superm1_> mantiena-baltix, xivulon is his name.
[08:56] <superm1_> mantiena-baltix, i dont know his time zone though, so you'll have to see when he pops up next
[08:56] <mantiena-baltix> superm1_: thanks
[10:19] <jc-denton> hi all
[10:19] <jc-denton> how can i rebuild the aacraid driver w/o compiling the whole kernel?
[10:19] <jc-denton> its using dkms,  but that's for redhat afaik
[10:19] <jc-denton> i guess compiling is a bit of development ;)
[10:22] <mantiena-baltix> jc-denton: I think you should ask such questions not at this channel, maybe #ubuntu-kernel is right for you ?
[10:25] <jc-denton> ah i did not know this channel
[10:25] <jc-denton> thx
[10:31] <jc-denton> humm however i get no answer there :(
[10:34] <gasp1> jc-denton: is that driver inside the kernel or a third-party driver?
[10:36] <jc-denton> both
[10:36] <jc-denton> but i got it from the adaptec website
[10:37] <jc-denton> because the version there is higher then the one that modinfo shows me
[10:37] <jc-denton> and i was having trouble with it
[10:38] <gaspa> ok, in that case module-assistant could be fine for you.
[10:38] <gaspa>  you should have the right sources installed and configured
[10:38] <jc-denton> ah is there a wiki page how to use it
[10:44] <jc-denton> where do i have to place the driver sources, so they are found by module-assistant
[12:11] <highvoltage> asac: ping
[12:19]  * Hobbsee de-spams ubuntu-devel
[12:21]  * Mithrandir tickles Hobbsee 
[12:21]  * Hobbsee tickles Mithrandir back, holds him to the ground, and stomps his feet
[12:22] <Hobbsee> good morning!
[12:23] <Mithrandir> morning
[12:30] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: ah, it's you up early, as opposed to everyone else being eaten by sharks.  gotcha.
[12:31] <Spads> Anyone here got a shark-bite kit?
[12:36] <Fujitsu> Spads: Of course, here. I always keep one around, just in case a shark makes it inland.
[12:37] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: you jus tneed to move to adelaide.
[12:38] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Good idea.
[12:38] <Hobbsee> they really do get eaten by sharks there
[12:39] <Hobbsee> and the locals tend to talk about it for a few weeks
[12:39] <Hobbsee> damned fear-mongering paper of theirs
[12:39] <Fujitsu> Heh.
[12:39] <Hobbsee> (disclaimer:  Hobbsee is from adelaide herself)
[12:39]  * Fujitsu faints.
[12:41] <Hobbsee> hm?
[12:51] <zul> morning
[13:34] <Seveas> Hobbsee, so that's why we can't throw you in a pool, shark fear :)
[13:35] <Hobbsee> Seveas: no, you cant throw me in the pool, as it might get you bashed up.
[13:35] <slangasek> siretart: I would assume not, but I suppose you should ask pitti
[13:35] <Seveas> I prefer the shark :)
[13:36] <Hobbsee> Seveas: a wise move.
[13:36] <Hobbsee> Seveas: although i'm not sure which would cause more pain
[13:42] <pitti> Good morning
[13:43] <zul> hi pitti
[13:44] <geser> Hi pitti
[13:47] <Hobbsee> tag, pitti
[13:51] <asac> highvoltage: pong
[13:54] <highvoltage> asac: is it possible to seperate the Firefox artwork from the firefox package, so that you could have another package to apply the mozilla artwork?
[13:54] <highvoltage> asac: it would make it easier to have an unbranded/gobuntu/iceweasel branded version in Gobuntu.
[13:55] <asac> in general yes ... if you want to contribute, you are welcome. I will have to check back with my mozilla contact though
[13:55] <asac> highvoltage: join #ubuntu-mozillateam :)
[13:55] <highvoltage> asac: right :)
[13:56] <^robertj> ok, the protective gpt partition in mbr had the wrong tag assigned to it by the guided install and much unhappyness resulted, what package gets that bug? partman? grub2?
[13:57] <^robertj> (-server install btw0
[14:53] <bddebian> Heya
[15:06] <mantiena-baltix> bigon: hi
[15:08] <mantiena-baltix> bigon: you closed bug #89431 - did you checked if VOIP works for you in empathy 0.14 ?
[15:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 89431 in empathy "Enable voip (audio/video talk) support in gossip-telepathy" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89431
[15:11] <Zdra> mantiena-baltix: VoIP support in Empathy is extremely experimental and disabled by default in upstream
[15:12] <Zdra> I'm pretty sure it won't work well for most users...
[15:12] <bigon> mantiena-baltix: yep voip "works" with empathy, you need telepathy-stream-manager and a webcam
[15:12] <bigon> Zdra: :p
[15:12] <Zdra> bigon: it "works" but not stable at all :)
[15:19] <mantiena-baltix> bigon: for me it doesn't work at all, I don't have webcam, but have microphone
[15:22] <bigon> mantiena-baltix: you must start telepathy-stream-engine and set FS_VIDEO_SRC=videotestsrc is-live=true
[15:23] <bigon> mantiena-baltix: btw Zdra is the upstream dev :p
[15:39] <mantiena-baltix> Zdra: nice to meet you
[15:41] <mantiena-baltix> bigon: empathy does not start telepathy-stream-engine automatically ?
[15:42] <mantiena-baltix> glatzor: hi
[15:43] <glatzor> servus mantiena-baltix
[15:43] <Zdra> mantiena-baltix: yes, it's started magically, but it need to be installed
[15:44] <Zdra> mantiena-baltix: but if you want to start stream engine with some special parameters you have to start it manuelly first
[15:46] <bigon> mantiena-baltix: yes it does but you must pass FS_VIDEO_SRC=videotestsrc is-live=true before starting it
[15:47] <bigon> Zdra: does tp-se looks at the gstreamer-properties?
[15:48] <Robot101> bigon: no, it's made of loss
[15:48] <mantiena-baltix> bigon: why I must set FS_VIDEO_SRC to videotestsrc
[15:48] <Robot101> bigon: for audio it always uses alsa src/sink
[15:48] <bigon> mantiena-baltix: because tp-se always looks for a webcam
[15:49] <mantiena-baltix> and because of this it doesn't work for me ?
[15:49] <Robot101> for video stuff it tries gconfvideosrc, v4l2src then v4lsrc
[15:49] <bigon> if tp-se takes 100% of cpu time, yes it the reason
[15:49] <Robot101> so it will use the gst-properties choice of video input device
[15:51] <mantiena-baltix> btw, maybe it's enough to set video input to videotestsrc in  gstreamer-properties ?
[15:51] <mantiena-baltix> bigon: yes, it uses 100% CPU when I try to call to someone
[16:19] <mantiena-baltix> bigon, Robot101: after setting video input to videotestsrc in  gstreamer-properties calling dialog doesn't eat 100% CPU, but I still hear no sound and volume controls are grey and inactive :(
[16:19] <mantiena-baltix> maybe I can call to you for testing ?
[16:19] <bigon> mantiena-baltix: the control of the volume is not implemented yet
[16:21] <mantiena-baltix> bigon: hehe, it just shows nonworking volume control elements ? ;)
[16:38] <bigon> mantiena-baltix: yep, are you sure your microphone is working in gst-proprerties?
[16:40] <mantiena-baltix> yes, I got working VOIP at least ;)
[16:45] <mantiena-baltix> bigon: thanks for help
[17:06] <pitti> ArneGoetje: bzr get lp:langpack-o-matic
[17:17] <slangasek> pitti: that command gives me a really awesome stack trace :)
[17:17] <slangasek> (on gutsy)
[18:08] <soc> hi
[18:09] <soc> will libsoprano be updated the next few days or is it worth to build it on my own?
[18:09] <soc> because kde4 requires now a higher version than the one shipped in hardy
[18:12] <soc> someone?
[18:13] <Riddell> soc: I can't say when it'll be updated
[18:13] <Riddell> probably next week
[18:14] <soc> ah ok
[18:14] <soc> thanks ...
[18:18] <Lure> soc: it is probably easier to just use soprano from kde svn (kdesupport module) - just remove soprano packages
[18:18] <soc> ah ok
[18:18] <soc> thanks!
[18:18] <soc> about the encryption plans of hardy:
[18:19] <soc> is it intended that one can just put in his usbstick in and use the additional partition?
[18:20] <Lure> soc: that what they are looking for for kubuntu
[18:20] <soc> ah cool
[18:20] <Lure> soc: similar as opensuse 10.3
[18:20] <soc> because currently with device mapper you have to put the stick in before you boot
[18:20] <soc> and thats really crappy
[18:21] <soc> additionally, IF i choose to encrypt something, i would be happy if the kernel/ubuntu wouldn't complain the whole time at the startup if the stick isn't put in
[18:23] <soc> i can't understand that
[18:24] <soc> IF a person decides to encrypt something, it would be sensible that the kernel wouldn't tell everyone that there is an encrypted partition
[18:32] <hunger> So far a package for hardy needs about 1.7 times longer to build as it did in gutsy:-( Is that due to the new gcc or were only the big guns compiled so far?
[18:45] <soc> :-)
[18:45] <soc> looks like gcc is really getting slower and slower over time :-/
[18:46] <hunger> Yeap, I am afraid so.
[18:48] <nny> working on one of these new eee pc laptops. Does anyone have a site with good init boot time reduction or ways to speed up the boot process?
[18:55] <hunger> soc: I am a bit concerned as it will take about 6month to build all the source packages for hardy... and I was only counting the successful builds, too.
[18:56] <tonyyarusso> nny: Well, I know you can use the 'bootchart' package to find where the bottlenecks are, but I don't know how to fix them.
[18:57] <nny> ok thanks thats a start
[18:57] <nny> not so bad right now, using alt cli install (523 MB)
[19:18] <soc> hunger: right ...
[19:18] <soc> maybe it will be fixed in time ...
[19:18] <soc> if not, hardware upgrades might be necessary
[19:19] <soc> and with people having the change to build there own personal repo pressure won't get less ---
[19:45] <siretart> crimsun: your @ncat.edu mail account is over quota. If you are interested in my signature for that uid, ping me for resending the mail to you
[19:54] <soc> hunger: http://kerneltrap.org/Linux/Compiler_Misoptimizations
[19:54] <soc> maybe that's is part of the problem ...
[19:56] <hunger> soc: There was a mail on gcc-devel recently where one compiled some code with several versions of GCC. The 4.3 produced the slowest code, took the longest to compile and produced the biggest binary:-(
[19:57] <hunger> soc: The response was along the lines of "but it is better anyway":-(
[19:58] <broonie> hunger: "See, higher benchmarks in everything!"
[20:04]  * hunger waits for the xorg-mess to straighten itself out. Somebody bumped the packages in the build queue recently:-)
[20:04] <soc> :-)
[20:04] <soc> hunger: sometime gcc devs are weird ...
[20:04] <soc> maybe we need something like ecgs again, to wake people up ..
[20:05] <hunger> soc: What do you expect? They spend their time on open source;-)
[20:05] <soc> :-P
[20:05] <soc> btw, i just wonder, why we can't use one or two compiler versions ... not FOUR!
[20:05] <hunger> soc: yeap, we'd need an xorg-for-compilers.
[20:05] <soc> i have gcc 3.3, 3.4, 4.1, 4.2 installed here
[20:06] <hunger> soc: 3.4 is from the libc5 IIRC.
[20:06] <soc> 3.3 is only needed for sun-java and fglrx kernel mess
[20:06] <hunger> Dunno why there is a 4.1 around.
[20:07] <soc> 3.4 for ghemical and some progs i never heard of
[20:07] <hunger> But then that was the default compiler in gutsy (at least on my system), so maybe they just did not get round to remove it yet.
[20:07] <soc> 4.1 is completely useless..
[20:07] <hunger> soc: Isen't cpp-x.y enough for that?
[20:07] <soc> lsen't?
[20:08] <hunger> soc: Some programs need the cpp from an outdated gcc for some reason or another.
[20:09] <hunger> soc: Sorry, it's gcc-3.3-base that is needed for the old libc stuff, not gcc-base-3.4
[20:09] <soc> those programs should be fixed up ...
[20:10] <soc> but of course, ati is one of the candidates again
[20:10] <soc> how could i think, that they would leave out a chance to produce mess?
[20:10] <hunger> soc: Actually the LSB says it is OK IIRC, so there is little a distri can do.
[20:11] <soc> yes, of course
[20:11]  * hunger wonders how big gnustep-base is... running for 9h on one of the buildservers already.
[20:12] <soc> but on the other side, it would be nice if programs would have fewer dependencies
[20:12] <soc> and old compiler versions might be a dependencie easy to fix ...
[20:13] <hunger> soc: Not always.
[20:14]  * hunger is waiting for the new freeciv for ages now... and it is still in the pending queue.
[20:14] <hunger> At least it is packaged already.
[20:15] <hunger> I'd love to be able to "vote" for packages in the build queue on LP;-)
[20:16] <jonmasters> Anyone seen Martin Pitt?
[20:16]  * jonmasters is in Plymouth looking for him
[20:16] <jcastro> he's upstairs
[20:16] <jcastro> jonmasters: he's in a meeting
[20:16] <jonmasters> If someone can ping him, it would be *awesome*
[20:16] <jonmasters> Ah.
[20:17] <jcastro> I'll ping him irl and have him get ahold of you
[20:17] <jonmasters> jcastro: no rush, I'm working from this little coffee shop called kiskadee
[20:18] <jcastro> yeah it'll probably be like 40 minutes or so
[20:18] <jonmasters> I'll hang out here, and if he's around, cool, otherwise I'll ping him later. But I drove down, so if he's around, it would be cool. Whatever works!
[20:18] <jonmasters> no problem.
[20:18] <jcastro> oh, you're in plymouth?
[20:20] <Keybuk> jonmasters: we're in a meeting until 4pm, and then there's a group trip somewhere :-/
[20:20] <Keybuk> though you may be able to grab him for 15 mins in between the two :)
[20:22] <jonmasters> Keybuk: well, I've got 4 hours of parking and am sitting having coffee. If he has time, awesome. If not, no big deal.
[20:30] <Keybuk> http://patches.ubuntu.com/by-release/extracted
[20:30] <Keybuk> ^ still experimental
[20:32] <jonmasters> Keybuk: btw, someone really should document that "there is no unstable ubuntu" and explain the differences between Debian and Ubuntu in terms of development.
[20:32]  * jonmasters installed Hardy recently to keep up with the Jones'
[20:32] <Keybuk> jonmasters: it's somewhere in the wiki
[20:33] <jonmasters> Keybuk: -ENOTFOUND
[20:33] <jonmasters> I only finally realized this when I tried to dist-upgrade to a non-existent tree
[20:33]  * jonmasters thought there might be something beyond Hardy
[20:33] <jonmasters> (an unstable branch)
[20:34] <Keybuk> jonmasters: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuForDebianDevelopers
[20:34] <jonmasters> Keybuk: yes, I specifically read that. It specifically does not mention this ;-)
[20:35] <Keybuk> jonmasters: mail Colin, it probably should
[20:35] <jonmasters> It implies this, but does not state it.
[20:35] <jonmasters> Keybuk: thanks. I'm just trying to help!
[20:35] <jonmasters> ;-)
[20:35] <Keybuk> we don't have a permanently unstable branch
[20:35] <Keybuk> instead we have a development (next release) and stable (current release)
[20:35] <jonmasters> right. Which means it's more like Fedora than I thought
[20:35] <jonmasters> :-P
[20:35] <Keybuk> heh
[20:35] <jonmasters> (joke)
[20:36] <Keybuk> didn't Fedora reorganise their entire community structure to match Ubuntu's where possible? :p
[20:48] <^robertj> is there a workaround for bug #160803
[20:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 160803 in ubiquity "can't install grub on device > 2.1TB, guided partitinioning assigns wrong type to masking partition" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/160803
[20:52] <soc> hi
[20:52] <soc> i'm just wondering what will be the cornerstones upon 8.04 will be built ...
[20:53] <soc> i assume x.org 7.3, server 1.4, linux 2.6.24, gcc-4.2, gnome 2.22, kde 3.5.8
[20:53] <soc> correct me if i'm wrong!
[20:56] <soc> OOo 2.4?/3? upstart 0.5?
[20:56] <soc> working radeonhd/nouveau?
[20:56] <Kmos> something like that, i think too =)
[20:56] <soc> :-)
[20:57] <Mithrandir> soc: take a look at the specs?
[20:57] <soc> the uds ones?
[20:57] <Kmos> soc: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy
[20:58] <soc> mh
[20:58] <soc> not really much ,,,
[21:00] <Tonohono> glad to see 24 was decided upon. using rc-1 on my 64bit laptop bumped battery life up ~40 minutes.
[21:02] <soc> Tonohono: how that?
[21:02] <soc> i'm quite happy beacuse of the new wirless stack ...
[21:02] <Tonohono> tickless idle for 64 bit finally
[21:03] <Tonohono> on packaged 22 kernel, powertop reports 400+ wake ups/second. with 24, I got it down to under 30.
[21:03] <Tonohono> Battery loved me for it
[21:04] <soc> cool
[21:04] <soc> i'll try that immediately :-)
[21:04] <Tonohono> good luck~
[21:06] <soc> i have 300-600 wakeups/s with 2.6.22
[21:06] <soc> but i'm compiling kde4 and dist-upgrading ...
[21:06] <Tonohono> Ah
[21:07] <soc> hope the 2.6.24 gets in soon
[21:07] <soc> afaik, .24 will have merged i386/amd64 archs
[21:07] <Tonohono> mhmm. rc2 released today, havent had time to give it a whirl yet
[21:08] <Tonohono> aye, it will. went through half the rc1 changelog during a very, very slow day at work
[21:08] <soc> ^lol
[21:09] <soc> that was a very slooooooow day ... compressed changelog was 11 mb afair
[21:09] <Tonohono> somewhere around there, yeah
[21:10] <soc> :-)
[21:11] <soc> i'm very interested in the new iwl driver from intel ...
[21:11] <soc> i hope it works!
[21:11] <pwnguin> it does
[21:12] <pwnguin> theres a few tricks to getting it to work in gutsy
[21:12] <soc> Linux 2.6.24 will have a lot of new wireless drivers using the new stack, 2,3 MB of source files in total
[21:14] <soc> iwlwifi (intel), rt2x00 (ralink), adm8211 (admtek), b43 + b43legacy (broadcom), p54 (prism)
[21:14] <soc> this looks _really_ good!
[21:14] <tepsipakki> soc: noveau has no maintainer in debian, fwiw
[21:15] <tepsipakki> so it's not in ubuntu either
[21:15] <Tonohono> pwnguin, any online sources ye know off getting the iwl driver to run under gutsy? it's still might finnicky for me
[21:15] <tepsipakki> soc: maintaining it would mean tracking upstream drm/mesa closely
[21:15] <soc> mhh
[21:15] <soc> tepsipakki: i see the problem ...
[21:15] <pwnguin> Tonohono: lemme check my irclogs
[21:16] <soc> they often have their own dri/drm trees with additional patches
[21:16] <soc> would be hard to get a perfect combination between stable xserver and brandnew nouveau ...
[21:17] <tepsipakki> soc: exactly
[21:17] <tepsipakki> and since there is no release..
[21:17] <ajmitch> tepsipakki: RAOF has been packaging it in a PPA, though
[21:18] <tepsipakki> ajmitch: oh, I think I've seen that some time ago
[21:18] <tepsipakki> maybe he knows how painful it is :9
[21:18] <tepsipakki> *:)
[21:19]  * ajmitch doubts that it'll really be ready enough for hardy
[21:20] <pwnguin>  < RAOF> Epox_Ardere_: You'd put ipw3945 into the /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist file, and add iwl3945 to /etc/modules
[21:20] <pwnguin> #ubuntu-motu.log-01:58 < RAOF> Epox_Ardere_: And be on Gutsy, and have linux-generic (or linux-rt) installed.
[21:20] <ajmitch> maybe the drm stuff will have settled down a bit, but they're trying to move modesetting stuff into the kernel as well
[21:21] <Tonohono> oh, thanks pwnguin
[21:22] <pwnguin> Tonohono: there may be more
[21:22] <Tonohono> alrighty
[21:23] <tepsipakki> ajmitch: yeah, and that's not going in 2.6.24, maybe .25
[21:23] <ajmitch> always chasing after a stable interface.. :)
[21:24]  * pwnguin wishes for irclogs.ubuntu.com search
[21:24] <ajmitch> wget & grep
[21:24] <ajmitch> or maybe google search can help you
[21:24] <pwnguin> or google
[21:25] <pwnguin> but i seem to have more than google does
[21:28] <pwnguin> Tonohono: from my irssi logs <amar*nth> had to add ATTRS{type}=="1" in 70-persistent-net.rules
[21:29] <pwnguin> Tonohono: i recall having to do something similar
[21:29] <Tonohono> noted~
[21:29] <Tonohono> thanks again, i'll poke at it this evening when I try out rc2
[21:36] <Kopfgeldjaeger> n8
[21:55]  * jonmasters will swing by Plymouth again tomorrow.
[22:00] <somerville32> Is releases.ubuntu.com still short on hd space?
[22:07]  * jonmasters is hanging out in Plymouth for a while longer. Gonna head back to Cambridge in a few.
[22:29] <soc> Tonohono: ok, back ...
[22:30] <soc> just thought about it ...
[22:30] <soc> wireless looks quite stable after all now
[22:31] <soc> new drivers are coming, but i don't think kernel devs will significantly change the framework in the next few months
[22:31] <soc> but with hardy we might had one of the last stable things on the graphics side ...
[22:31] <soc> with things like gallium3d in 2008 some breakage will be guaranteed ...
[22:32] <soc> whole ttm looks good at the moment, but people will need some time with it ...
[22:33] <soc> question is how smooth the transition to gallium3d will be
[22:33] <soc> how long they will maintain their non-gallium, pre opengl3 code ...
[22:47] <hubuntu> regarding the kernel.. Is there any way to try other kernels with ubuntu?
[22:47] <hubuntu> GNU/Solaris GNU/Hurd and the like?
[22:48] <hubuntu> (writing a presentation about ubuntu and I just want to hace it plain from the sources :)
[22:49] <soc> does someone know when we get the first kernel update in hardy?
[22:50] <LaserJock> hubuntu: I think Nexenta is basically Ubuntu with Solaris kernel
[22:50] <LaserJock> I don't think anybody's tried Hurd
[22:50] <LaserJock> bddebian: ping?
[22:51] <hubuntu> I knew about nexenta, but was thinking more of project indiana and trying to see if there's a ubuntu connection.. Thanks
[22:52] <hubuntu> or som GNU endorsed ubuntu (like gnewsense is, and maybe Gobuntu will become...)
[22:52] <LaserJock> hmm, I have no idea
[22:53] <bddebian> LaserJock: Yo
[22:54] <LaserJock> bddebian: have you ever tried Ubuntu/Hurd ?
[22:54] <bddebian> I wanted to but no
[22:54] <bddebian> Might be possible now.  Before we were waay behind on glibc vers
[22:56] <sladen_> hubuntu: there aren't /that/ many kernels around
[22:56] <ajmitch> bddebian: it's up to 2.1 now?
[22:57] <bddebian> haha
[22:59] <hubuntu> sladen: I know but I heard the Hurd is getting better and wondered if the darwin/fink people is up to some ubuntu love... Just trying to update the ubuntu presentation for the spanish speaking users
[22:59] <hubuntu> Not that relevant, but... It's better to check, right?
[23:00] <sladen> hubuntu: there was the debian knetbsd, and we do have the nexenta example that it can be done
[23:00] <sladen> hubuntu: Linux has driver support.  Linux has momentum.  Linux has backing, and R&D and hotplug, and, and and...
[23:01] <sladen> hubuntu: this is why Linux as a kernel is attractive.  If the OpenSolaris kernel takes momentum then, I'm sure people would switch
[23:01] <sladen> hubuntu: Ubuntu generally tries to deliver the best and ensuring that "what nearly works" gets turned into "it just works"
[23:03] <sladen> hubuntu: and it's always possible that somebody even forks the Linux kernel and takes that fork into a more attractive version.  See Xf86/Xorg ubuntu jumped faster than most people
[23:05] <johanbr> I guess you could say many distro kernel trees are forks in a way.
[23:07] <hubuntu> true
[23:08] <hubuntu> I have another one for you guys: Is the LPIA port ("low-power on Intel architecture") officially supported or community supported?
[23:09] <mjg59> Official, but you can't buy the hardware yet
[23:09] <hubuntu> but you can test it on the nokia devices, right?
[23:11] <mjg59> No, they're arm, not intel
[23:11] <mjg59> Based on a TI chip
[23:11] <hubuntu> ok...
[23:11] <mjg59> The Nokia devices aren't targetted
[23:11] <hubuntu> I see. But is much of their code used in the lpia port?
[23:12] <mjg59> Nokia's? Yes.
[23:12] <hubuntu> Is the gnome mobile platform then supported for both lpia & arm?
[23:13] <hubuntu> or are we using something else on lpia (guess not, but better dumb asking than sorry not knowing..)
[23:18] <pwnguin> hubuntu: there was some commotion a few days ago about a community based ARM port
[23:20] <hubuntu> pwguin... Cool. Ubuntu on my nokia phone would be nice... :) A community port should definitely be welcomed... The Ubuntu skin for S60 is not as good as having the real thing...