| mdke | somerville32: what is meant is that there is no commitment for security updates for xubuntu as there is for the other officially supported flavours. Is that wrong? | 08:01 |
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| somerville32 | mdke, Yes. | 08:02 |
| somerville32 | Security updates are provided for main and all of Xubuntu is in main. | 08:02 |
| mdke | somerville32: so why aren't isos supplied for xubuntu on releases.u.c? | 08:03 |
| somerville32 | mdke, lack of space atm | 08:03 |
| mdke | is that all? | 08:04 |
| somerville32 | Depends who you ask | 08:04 |
| somerville32 | There is lack of clarity on Xubuntu's status even within Canonical its self. | 08:04 |
| mdke | tell me more | 08:05 |
| somerville32 | mdke, Well, I asked for xubuntu to be placed on r.u.c | 08:05 |
| somerville32 | I think it was cjwatson who said there was no space after (I forget his irc atm) Matt said it should be. | 08:06 |
| somerville32 | Matt Zimmerman, that is | 08:06 |
| somerville32 | This was back in late-winter/early spring | 08:06 |
| mdke | I find it strange that space should be an issue. | 08:07 |
| somerville32 | mdke: It is an issue. | 08:07 |
| mdke | you mean they don't have any hard disks left? | 08:07 |
| somerville32 | They said they were moving to a different sever. | 08:07 |
| somerville32 | I dunno if they have or not | 08:07 |
| somerville32 | But hosting a distribution is not cheap when it comes to hd space | 08:08 |
| mdke | so that is the only difference between xubuntu and the other flavours? | 08:08 |
| somerville32 | There are three differences. | 08:09 |
| somerville32 | 1. No technical support sold for it (not enough demand at this time) | 08:09 |
| somerville32 | 2. No canonical sponsored developer (Kubuntu was lucky to get and only because there is a market at this time for Kubuntu) | 08:09 |
| somerville32 | 3. It is not hosted on releases.ubuntu.com | 08:10 |
| somerville32 | Canonical supports it like the other flavours but simply isn't looking to make money off of it at this point in time. | 08:10 |
| somerville32 | And besides, Ubuntu and Canonical are _not_ the same entity. | 08:11 |
| mdke | I'm aware of that | 08:11 |
| somerville32 | Ubuntu is an official flavour regardless if Canonical says so or not. It is up to the Ubuntu community. | 08:11 |
| mdke | actually, I don't agree. Anyway, what I had in mind was Canonical-guaranteed security updates | 08:12 |
| mdke | and if you're telling me that xubuntu gets those, I'll remove it | 08:12 |
| mdke | but you should address 3, I can't see any logical reason for it, if what you've said is right | 08:12 |
| somerville32 | mdke: I will move forward with that. | 08:12 |
| somerville32 | But I'd like to hear why you feel Canonical has move control over Ubuntu than the Community (ie. Community Council). | 08:12 |
| mdke | did I say that? | 08:13 |
| somerville32 | You said that you disagreed with the statement that Ubuntu is an official flavour regardless if Canonical says so or not. | 08:14 |
| mdke | yep | 08:14 |
| somerville32 | sommer, you're saying that Canonical decides which are official flavours. | 08:14 |
| somerville32 | sommer, sorry, stupid auto-nick | 08:14 |
| mdke | yes | 08:14 |
| somerville32 | mdke: So you're saying that Canonical has move control than Ubuntu over its self. | 08:14 |
| mdke | no | 08:15 |
| mdke | I'm saying it does so in relation to whether flavours are official or not | 08:15 |
| mdke | not in relation to everything | 08:15 |
| mdke | if there were no guaranteed security updates for Xubuntu, I think that would bring it outside the family of "official supported distributions" | 08:15 |
| mdke | because Canonical makes that commitment for some flavours | 08:15 |
| somerville32 | Canonical commits to main + restricted | 08:16 |
| mdke | yes, I know | 08:16 |
| somerville32 | ubuntulog, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, and Edubuntu are all derived from the same repository. | 08:16 |
| somerville32 | One moment while I reconfigure xchat. | 08:16 |
| mdke | I'm aware of all these things | 08:17 |
| mdke | and Gobuntu too | 08:17 |
| somerville32 | So where is the lack of clarity? | 08:17 |
| mdke | what? | 08:19 |
| somerville32 | Do you understand why Xubuntu is an officially supported flavour of Ubuntu? | 08:19 |
| mdke | yes | 08:20 |
| somerville32 | Wonderful :) | 08:20 |
| posingaspopular | hey all, i just changed the xubuntu hardy docs assignments page to include the topics i hope to work on. i wasn't sure how to do the actual status bar though. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Documentation/HardyAssignments | 08:21 |
| posingaspopular | the topic background color i should say | 08:21 |
| somerville32 | Did you try using the existing table cells as an example? | 08:22 |
| posingaspopular | somerville32: yea... i duno how to do that really? | 08:24 |
| posingaspopular | erm,that'snot a question sorry | 08:25 |
| somerville32 | posingaspopular, I'll take a look. | 08:26 |
| posingaspopular | thanks cody | 08:26 |
| somerville32 | np | 08:26 |
| posingaspopular | actually, you probably know my brother: Admiral_Chicago | 08:27 |
| posingaspopular | he helped with the docs last release i think | 08:27 |
| somerville32 | I do :) | 08:27 |
| posingaspopular | oh cool. im going to visit him on friday. he's giving a talk about OS's and virtualization | 08:29 |
| posingaspopular | my CS teacher agrees that his talk will be more interesting than the lecture on friday... kinda sad to be honest | 08:30 |
| somerville32 | hehe | 08:31 |
| posingaspopular | they put me in the 'non CS major, omg you can't code' class that everyone has to take. | 08:32 |
| posingaspopular | but i might minor in CS, so im going to be taking more classes anyway. assembley programming is going to be the suck though | 08:33 |
| posingaspopular | i see the changes. thanks somerville32 | 08:37 |
| somerville32 | posingaspopular, Could you update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Documentation ? | 08:42 |
| somerville32 | The desktop guide is obsolete | 08:42 |
| somerville32 | and a more prominent link to the hardy assignment page would be awesome :) | 08:42 |
| posingaspopular | is there a 7.10 link? | 08:43 |
| somerville32 | One sec. | 08:44 |
| somerville32 | Actually, mdke would be the guy to ask about that | 08:44 |
| posingaspopular | he's idle atmtoo | 08:44 |
| somerville32 | posingaspopular, Also, help.ubuntu.com/community is void of a Xubuntu page/centre | 08:46 |
| somerville32 | ie. Our community wiki docs don't actually exist yet | 08:46 |
| posingaspopular | yes i see | 08:47 |
| posingaspopular | can we put a 'goals for hardy' section | 08:47 |
| posingaspopular | and put that into the to do list? | 08:47 |
| posingaspopular | or will that be done before the next release? | 08:48 |
| somerville32 | I'm not sure what you mean. | 08:48 |
| somerville32 | Goals for the documentation team? | 08:48 |
| posingaspopular | yea, in terms of what docs should be finished | 08:48 |
| somerville32 | Isn't that what the Hardy assignment page is for? | 08:48 |
| posingaspopular | or some other form of 'get help.com/community | 08:49 |
| posingaspopular | i guess | 08:49 |
| posingaspopular | i duno, it's 3am over ehre | 08:49 |
| somerville32 | Hopefully the xubuntu-doc team will start making use of help.com/community | 08:49 |
| somerville32 | There is a ton of stuff to write about | 08:50 |
| posingaspopular | hmm i dont even see where the desktop guide even is | 08:53 |
| posingaspopular | i thought we were doing away with the desktop guide completly...since edgy | 08:53 |
| posingaspopular | how old/relevant is this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Documentation/Wiki | 08:54 |
| posingaspopular | looks like we're coming up on a year without edits on that one | 08:55 |
| somerville32 | posingaspopular, Desktop guide is obsolete. | 08:56 |
| somerville32 | wiki.ubuntu.com is no longer the place for help | 08:56 |
| somerville32 | help.ubuntu.com/community is the new help wiki | 08:56 |
| posingaspopular | ah i see | 08:56 |
| posingaspopular | somerville32: thoughts on that Xubuntu/Documentation/wiki page? | 09:00 |
| somerville32 | posingaspopular, That is the team wiki page. | 09:02 |
| somerville32 | Subcomponent of the doc team | 09:02 |
| posingaspopular | okay. im just wondering why it's been so long without editing | 09:02 |
| somerville32 | It should contain information relevant to member of the doc team working on the community wiki (an official part of our documentation effort) | 09:02 |
| somerville32 | posingaspopular, No one has taken the initiative | 09:02 |
| posingaspopular | please excuse me if im asking redundant questions, i swear my brain is fried tonight | 09:03 |
| somerville32 | No no | 09:04 |
| somerville32 | np :) | 09:05 |
| posingaspopular | time to collapse for 5 hours... if you want me to look at/edit any more edit, just ping them to my nick and i'll take a bat to them asap | 09:10 |
| somerville32 | posingaspopular, awesome. thanks for your contributions! :) | 09:15 |
| posingaspopular | i'll help anyway i can | 09:16 |
| LaserJock | anybody seen nixternal today? | 18:24 |
| michaelramm | nope, been on since 8am Central US time, and you are the first post | 18:36 |
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