[08:01] <mdke> somerville32: what is meant is that there is no commitment for security updates for xubuntu as there is for the other officially supported flavours. Is that wrong?
[08:02] <somerville32> mdke, Yes.
[08:02] <somerville32> Security updates are provided for main and all of Xubuntu is in main.
[08:03] <mdke> somerville32: so why aren't isos supplied for xubuntu on releases.u.c?
[08:03] <somerville32> mdke, lack of space atm
[08:04] <mdke> is that all?
[08:04] <somerville32> Depends who you ask
[08:04] <somerville32> There is lack of clarity on Xubuntu's status even within Canonical its self.
[08:05] <mdke> tell me more
[08:05] <somerville32> mdke, Well, I asked for xubuntu to be placed on r.u.c
[08:06] <somerville32> I think it was cjwatson who said there was no space after (I forget his irc atm) Matt said it should be.
[08:06] <somerville32> Matt Zimmerman, that is
[08:06] <somerville32> This was back in late-winter/early spring
[08:07] <mdke> I find it strange that space should be an issue.
[08:07] <somerville32> mdke: It is an issue.
[08:07] <mdke> you mean they don't have any hard disks left?
[08:07] <somerville32> They said they were moving to a different sever.
[08:07] <somerville32> I dunno if they have or not
[08:08] <somerville32> But hosting a distribution is not cheap when it comes to hd space
[08:08] <mdke> so that is the only difference between xubuntu and the other flavours?
[08:09] <somerville32> There are three differences.
[08:09] <somerville32> 1. No technical support sold for it (not enough demand at this time)
[08:09] <somerville32> 2. No canonical sponsored developer (Kubuntu was lucky to get and only because there is a market at this time for Kubuntu)
[08:10] <somerville32> 3. It is not hosted on releases.ubuntu.com
[08:10] <somerville32> Canonical supports it like the other flavours but simply isn't looking to make money off of it at this point in time.
[08:11] <somerville32> And besides, Ubuntu and Canonical are _not_ the same entity.
[08:11] <mdke> I'm aware of that
[08:11] <somerville32> Ubuntu is an official flavour regardless if Canonical says so or not. It is up to the Ubuntu community.
[08:12] <mdke> actually, I don't agree. Anyway, what I had in mind was Canonical-guaranteed security updates
[08:12] <mdke> and if you're telling me that xubuntu gets those, I'll remove it
[08:12] <mdke> but you should address 3, I can't see any logical reason for it, if what you've said is right
[08:12] <somerville32> mdke: I will move forward with that.
[08:12] <somerville32> But I'd like to hear why you feel Canonical has move control over Ubuntu than the Community (ie. Community Council).
[08:13] <mdke> did I say that?
[08:14] <somerville32> You said that you disagreed with the statement that Ubuntu is an official flavour regardless if Canonical says so or not.
[08:14] <mdke> yep
[08:14] <somerville32> sommer, you're saying that Canonical decides which are official flavours.
[08:14] <somerville32> sommer, sorry, stupid auto-nick
[08:14] <mdke> yes
[08:14] <somerville32> mdke: So you're saying that Canonical has move control than Ubuntu over its self.
[08:15] <mdke> no
[08:15] <mdke> I'm saying it does so in relation to whether flavours are official or not
[08:15] <mdke> not in relation to everything
[08:15] <mdke> if there were no guaranteed security updates for Xubuntu, I think that would bring it outside the family of "official supported distributions"
[08:15] <mdke> because Canonical makes that commitment for some flavours
[08:16] <somerville32> Canonical commits to main + restricted
[08:16] <mdke> yes, I know
[08:16] <somerville32> ubuntulog, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, and Edubuntu are all derived from the same repository.
[08:16] <somerville32> One moment while I reconfigure xchat.
[08:17] <mdke> I'm aware of all these things
[08:17] <mdke> and Gobuntu too
[08:17] <somerville32> So where is the lack of clarity?
[08:19] <mdke> what?
[08:19] <somerville32> Do you understand why Xubuntu is an officially supported flavour of Ubuntu?
[08:20] <mdke> yes
[08:20] <somerville32> Wonderful :)
[08:21] <posingaspopular> hey all, i just changed the xubuntu hardy docs assignments page to include the topics i hope to work on. i wasn't sure how to do the actual status bar though.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Documentation/HardyAssignments
[08:21] <posingaspopular> the topic background color i should say
[08:22] <somerville32> Did you try using the existing table cells as an example?
[08:24] <posingaspopular> somerville32: yea... i duno how to do that really?
[08:25] <posingaspopular> erm,that'snot a question sorry
[08:26] <somerville32> posingaspopular, I'll take a look.
[08:26] <posingaspopular> thanks cody
[08:26] <somerville32> np
[08:27] <posingaspopular> actually, you probably know my brother: Admiral_Chicago
[08:27] <posingaspopular> he helped with the docs last release i think
[08:27] <somerville32> I do :)
[08:29] <posingaspopular> oh cool. im going to visit him on friday. he's giving a talk about OS's and virtualization
[08:30] <posingaspopular> my CS teacher agrees that his talk will be more interesting than the lecture on friday... kinda sad to be honest
[08:31] <somerville32> hehe
[08:32] <posingaspopular> they put me in the 'non CS major, omg you can't code' class that everyone has to take.
[08:33] <posingaspopular> but i might minor in CS, so im going to be taking more classes anyway. assembley programming is going to be the suck though
[08:37] <posingaspopular> i see the changes. thanks somerville32
[08:42] <somerville32> posingaspopular, Could you update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Documentation ?
[08:42] <somerville32> The desktop guide is obsolete
[08:42] <somerville32> and a more prominent link to the hardy assignment page would be awesome :)
[08:43] <posingaspopular> is there a 7.10 link?
[08:44] <somerville32> One sec.
[08:44] <somerville32> Actually, mdke would be the guy to ask about that
[08:44] <posingaspopular> he's idle atmtoo
[08:46] <somerville32> posingaspopular, Also, help.ubuntu.com/community is void of a Xubuntu page/centre
[08:46] <somerville32> ie. Our community wiki docs don't actually exist yet
[08:47] <posingaspopular> yes i see
[08:47] <posingaspopular> can we put a 'goals for hardy' section
[08:47] <posingaspopular> and put that into the to do list?
[08:48] <posingaspopular> or will that be done before the next release?
[08:48] <somerville32> I'm not sure what you mean.
[08:48] <somerville32> Goals for the documentation team?
[08:48] <posingaspopular> yea, in terms of what docs should be finished
[08:48] <somerville32> Isn't that what the Hardy assignment page is for?
[08:49] <posingaspopular> or some other form of 'get help.com/community
[08:49] <posingaspopular> i guess
[08:49] <posingaspopular> i duno, it's 3am over ehre
[08:49] <somerville32> Hopefully the xubuntu-doc team will start making use of help.com/community
[08:50] <somerville32> There is a ton of stuff to write about
[08:53] <posingaspopular> hmm i dont even see where the desktop guide even is
[08:53] <posingaspopular> i thought we were doing away with the desktop guide completly...since edgy
[08:54] <posingaspopular> how old/relevant is this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Documentation/Wiki
[08:55] <posingaspopular> looks like we're coming up on a year without edits on that one
[08:56] <somerville32> posingaspopular, Desktop guide is obsolete.
[08:56] <somerville32> wiki.ubuntu.com is no longer the place for help
[08:56] <somerville32> help.ubuntu.com/community is the new help wiki
[08:56] <posingaspopular> ah i see
[09:00] <posingaspopular> somerville32: thoughts on that Xubuntu/Documentation/wiki page?
[09:02] <somerville32> posingaspopular, That is the team wiki page.
[09:02] <somerville32> Subcomponent of the doc team
[09:02] <posingaspopular> okay. im just wondering why it's been so long without editing
[09:02] <somerville32> It should contain information relevant to member of the doc team working on the community wiki (an official part of our documentation effort)
[09:02] <somerville32> posingaspopular, No one has taken the initiative
[09:03] <posingaspopular> please excuse me if im asking redundant questions, i swear my brain is fried tonight
[09:04] <somerville32> No no
[09:05] <somerville32> np :)
[09:10] <posingaspopular> time to collapse for 5 hours... if you want me to look at/edit any more edit, just ping them to my nick and i'll take a bat to them asap
[09:15] <somerville32> posingaspopular, awesome. thanks for your contributions! :)
[09:16] <posingaspopular> i'll help anyway i can
[18:24] <LaserJock> anybody seen nixternal today?
[18:36] <michaelramm> nope, been on since 8am Central US time, and you are the first post