[04:37] <desertc> Anyone around?
[04:37] <tonyyarusso> yup
[04:37] <desertc> :)
[04:37] <desertc> I have been watching some marketing videos.
[04:37] <tonyyarusso> oh dear
[04:37] <desertc> Yeah.
[04:38] <Burgundavia> indeed
[04:38] <desertc> What do we need to do to attract creative people to Ubuntu and allow them to create unique works of video art?
[04:38] <Burgundavia> ignore most marketing stuff, it applies to big marketing orgs
[04:38] <Burgundavia> we need a place for people to easily put that video art up somewhere
[04:38] <desertc> Well, youtube is a start.
[04:38] <Burgundavia> no, not youtube
[04:39] <Burgundavia> like Mozilla id
[04:39] <desertc> Yes, youtube is terrible.
[04:39] <Burgundavia> http://www.firefoxflicks.com/
[04:39] <Burgundavia> see if they will give up taht code
[04:39] <Burgundavia> if they won't, tell me
[04:39] <desertc> Oooh..
[04:40] <desertc> Well, I am thinking more of the creation of the .MOV files on Ubuntu...
[04:40] <desertc> Or .OGG for that matter.
[04:41] <Burgundavia> you talking about getting the programs ready?
[04:41] <Burgundavia> pitivi is the answer to that
[04:41] <desertc> Is there a learning path where creative people can be directed to create videos?
[04:41] <Burgundavia> are you talking about programs to create such videos or a campaign such as firefoxflicks?
[04:42] <desertc> I am not a video person myself.  It's all I can do to take pictures and save them away.  But some people are big into video and video editing.
[04:42] <desertc> Is there a tutorial that can show people how to save video and edit it on Ubuntu?
[04:43] <desertc> Burgundavia: Let me look at these videos and I'll tell you....
[04:44] <Burgundavia> we need better editing software
[04:44] <Burgundavia> Pitivi is the way forward
[04:45] <desertc> Yes, exactly like those videos!
[04:46] <desertc> Then, the second part of my idea...
[04:46] <desertc> Public Access Cable Television.
[04:47] <desertc> But for starters, getting some video content about Ubuntu would be tops.
[04:47] <desertc> I am surprised at the video quality of the Firefox videos, frankly.
[04:47] <Burgundavia> again, we need the program. Pitivi is what we need
[04:47] <Burgundavia> http://www.pitivi.org/
[04:47] <desertc> Thanks for the link.
[04:48] <Burgundavia> however, having a firefoxflicks style contest is really parallel to getting a good video editor
[04:48] <Burgundavia> in fact, they compliment each other
[04:49] <desertc> You're right.  Pitivi looks very nice.
[04:49] <desertc> How far is the project?
[04:49] <desertc> How mature?
[04:50] <Burgundavia> needs a bunch of work
[04:50] <desertc> Ah.
[04:52] <desertc> We could put the screencasts on our local cable public access channels, for starters.
[04:52] <Burgundavia> screencasts are boring documentation
[04:52] <Burgundavia> popey: no offence, given I know you are going to read this :)
[04:52] <desertc> But I wanted to emphasize that video is an effective marketing channel.
[04:53] <Burgundavia> yes, but screencasts are not the way to do that
[04:53] <desertc> Hmm -- agreed.
[04:53] <Burgundavia> getting yourself on those channels would be a good thing
[04:53] <Burgundavia> dress up spiffy and bring a laptop with a default install of Ubuntu on it
[04:53] <desertc> What about audio content?  Any 30 second audio clips promoting Ubuntu?
[04:54] <Burgundavia> not currently
[04:54] <Burgundavia> that would be the point of having such a contest
[04:54] <desertc> Here's another idea: Get some audio marketing into podcasts by paying for advertisement.
[04:55] <Burgundavia> or better yet, get the podcasts to promote a contest, which costs us nothing
[04:56] <desertc> But the 'cast community is moving to video format, so best to think of the future.
[04:57] <Burgundavia> I don't see the podcast community as a target for playing ads
[04:57] <desertc> Contest?  To create what?
[04:57] <Burgundavia> I see them as an ally to getting people to help us make those ads for other targets
[04:58] <desertc> I think putting an ad in a popular PC Tech podcast could get some mileage. 
[04:58] <desertc> (What do people in other countries say who use kilometers?  I guess they don't have the phrase, 'get some mileage'.)
[04:59] <desertc> Anyway, I think it might have some traction to get the Ubuntu message to a typically Windows podcast.
[04:59] <Burgundavia> mileage is pretty much a common term across all of English-dom
[04:59] <Burgundavia> ads in podcast == bad
[05:00] <Burgundavia> them talking about us == good
[05:00] <desertc> Hmm
[05:00] <desertc> Maybe I could get some interview spots with them, at least.
[05:02] <desertc> http://www.accesschannel.com/whatisaccess.asp
[05:05] <desertc> Interesting that the Firefox Flicks are copyrighted by Firefox.
[05:32] <desertc> Burgundavia: Your talk on copyright attribution the other night has me all worked up.  I am watching derivative works and wondering why they do not attribute their sources, or whether an original, modified source needs to be attributed or otherwise completely not used.
[05:33] <desertc> I started to read American copyright law, but, oh my gosh, is that some long legal code.
[05:34] <desertc> Then, I come to find out that Australian copyright law is even more restrictive than the American code.  Makes one want to generate everything by hand, which is, I guess, what everyone has been doing for the Ubuntu Marketing effort.
[05:34] <Burgundavia> not really
[05:34] <Burgundavia> ignore copyright law, pay attention to the licenses
[05:34] <desertc> Not really?
[05:34] <Burgundavia> people have been creating such from scratch because they cannot find the existing stuff
[05:36] <desertc> Well, I am just venting frustration.  I understand the copyright laws are a legal morass right now, when considering computer technology.
[05:37] <desertc> As long as we can create new content on Ubuntu, then it isn't all bad.