[00:42] <hatter> i am having problems with slow samba responsiveness on two new 7.10 boxes,  both in different locations, when on debian they were fast, i cant see any differences in the smb.conf, anyone got any clues ?
[00:47] <fujin> so, I'm working on a ldap central authentication thingy, have installed sudo, but having this issue: sudo: uid 2000 does not exist in the passwd file
[00:47] <fujin> obviously the user is provided by sudo
[00:47] <fujin> and the uid is not in the passwd file at all
[01:44] <sommer> fujin: you mith gry this: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2006-July/125900.html
[01:44] <sommer> *try
[02:11] <ScottK> sommer: Got a sec for Postfix docs?
[02:19] <sommer> ScottK: sure
[02:19] <ScottK> OK.
[02:19] <ScottK> The troubleshooting section is um, basic.
[02:19] <sommer> too basic?
[02:20] <ScottK> It's not really troublshooting, it's getting postfix out of the chroot.  That's often the first step, but it's not actually troublshooting.
[02:20] <sommer> true... but I wasn't sure what other section to fit it in
[02:21] <sommer> what would you go with?
[02:21] <ScottK> sommer: Do you use Postfix?
[02:22] <sommer> ScottK: I'm getting ready to implement it as a virus/spam scanner
[02:22] <ScottK> OK.
[02:22] <ScottK> What are you going to use?
[02:23] <sommer> Amavisd-new... I think you recommended it a couple of months ago
[02:23] <sommer> or I asked you what you recommend anyway
[02:23] <sommer> currenlty I'm using MailScanner... Amavisd-new is quite better so far
[02:23] <ScottK> Gah.  Stop.
[02:23] <sommer> MailScanner with sendmail I should say
[02:24] <ScottK> MailScanner on Postfix is evil.
[02:24] <ScottK> Ah.
[02:24] <ScottK> Different story
[02:25] <sommer> I think the goal of the System Docs is to be as concise as possible without getting into too much detail...
[02:25] <ScottK> What you should do, I think, is write a more detailed doc as you go.
[02:25] <sommer> is there more to the Troubleshooting section I should add?
[02:26] <ScottK> Yes, but it's hard to explain simply.
[02:26] <sommer> I submitted a pretty detailed patch to the PHP section a while back and ended up condensing the whole thing to one sentence
[02:26] <sommer> ScottK: I totally agree... I'd like to see more detail in a lot of the chapters
[02:26] <ScottK> Maybe we need a meta discussion on server docs before we write stuff then.
[02:27] <ScottK> Personally, I think there ought to be enough to get things running, troubleshoot basic problems, and ask intelligent questions when you get stuck.
[02:27] <sommer> ya currently there's a lot of discussion going on about the Server Guide... not sure if you're on the Doc ML
[02:27] <ScottK> I'm not.  I'm on the server ML.
[02:28] <sommer> I think some threads have been on the server ML started by jjesse.
[02:28] <ScottK> Yes, I've read those.
[02:29] <ScottK> This Postfix server you're setting up, is it to both send and receive mail?
[02:29] <sommer> yep, then relays to the mail store server
[02:30] <sommer> in the past the it was all done on the same server, and there were times when MailScanner/spamassassin would kill access
[02:30] <sahafeez> okay, dumb question - how do i stop things from starting on boot
[02:30] <sahafeez> like apache
[02:30] <sommer> sahafeez: update-rc.d -f apache remove
[02:30] <sahafeez> okay, and same sorta thing to put it back
[02:31] <sahafeez> why every version of linux does it differently...
[02:31] <sommer> sahafeez: update-rc.d apache defaults
[02:31] <sahafeez> cool thanks. i will look at the man for that - or the docs.
[02:32] <sommer> sahafeez: np... the man page is probably your best bet
[02:33] <sommer> ScottK: what else do you think we should add to the Postfix chapter?
[02:33] <ScottK> sommer: What I was thinking (if you'd be willing) would be to set up a complete Gutsy version of the nominal mail server config we will recommend for Hardy and then remove the MDA.
[02:34] <sommer> ScottK: sure I'm willing... I'm fuzzy about what you mean by "nominal mail server" though
[02:34] <sommer> there's just so many ways to setup a mail server... heh
[02:35] <ScottK> I think it's Postfix + Dovecot SASL, Dovecot for MDA, Amavisd-new + SpamAssassin/Clamav
[02:35] <ScottK> So for your config you'd need all that except the Dovecot MDA
[02:35] <ScottK> Right, so we want to get complete instructions on ONE way to do it that works.  People are free to do others.
[02:36] <jjesse> evening
[02:36] <ScottK> Evening.
[02:36] <sommer> I'm with ya... I wrote up a Dovecot SASL guide a while back: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostfixDovecotSASL
[02:36] <sommer> jjesse: sup
[02:36] <ScottK> sommer: The reason I suggest this approach is the person who's new to it is the person that needs to do the docs.
[02:36] <sommer> ScottK: totally
[02:36] <jjesse> sommer: just packing for next business trip
[02:37] <jjesse> whats the topic?
[02:37] <ScottK> Mail server docs
[02:37] <sommer> jjesse: if you're not aware ScottK is a Postfix guru
[02:37] <ScottK> sommer: You should also cover setting up TLS, including rolling your own certs.
[02:37] <ScottK> Guru is putting it to strongly.  I'm a moderately advanced user.
[02:37] <sommer> sure... I believe that's already covered.
[02:38] <sommer> heh... more guru than me
[02:38] <sommer> self signed certs anyway
[02:38] <ScottK> That's all you really need.
[02:38] <jjesse> ScottK: wasn't aware of that
[02:38] <ScottK> jjesse: Which?
[02:38] <jjesse> your a postfix guru :)
[02:39] <sommer> so I think the major section to add is Amavisd-new + SpamAssassin/Clamav
[02:39] <sommer> and Dovecot SASL... that also clears up the possible saslauthd chroot issue
[02:39] <ScottK> sommer: Yes.
[02:40] <ScottK> sommer: I'd also do a section on supporting E-mail authentication technologies (I'm thinking SPF and DKIM - I've done the SPF bit and made sure the DKIM milter is packaged well).
[02:40] <sommer> I was wondering for a program to use Cyrus SASL or Dovecot SASL it needs to link to the libraries during compile time doesn't it?
[02:41] <ScottK> Postfix should be configured to work with either.  If it isn't, that's a bug in the Debian package.  Upstream supports it.
[02:41] <sommer> ScottK: Postfix is since Dapper at least
[02:42] <ScottK> OK.
[02:42] <ScottK> I've not tried Dovecot SASL yet, so I didn't know.
[02:42] <sommer> I don't think that many programs are capable of using Dovecot SASL
[02:43] <sommer> postconf -a is the command I came accross
[02:43] <ScottK> Sure enough.
[02:44] <ScottK> sommer: I think we should pick one SASL as the one we document.  If it's reasonable, I think it should be dovecot since that's the supported MDA.
[02:45] <sommer> ScottK: I agree
[02:46] <sommer> I'll start reworking the Postfix section... maybe we add the SASL discussion to the next server team meeting agenda
[02:46] <sommer> get more opinions anyway
[02:46] <ScottK> We discussed it a little at UDS.
[02:46] <sommer> oh ya... I was listening in.
[02:46] <ScottK> We also discussed promoting amavisd-new to Main for Hardy.
[02:46] <ScottK> That was me you heard whining about that then.
[02:47] <ScottK> Now you know what I sound like.
[02:47] <sommer> heh... that discussion was a little in and out I think... wasn't it toward the beginning of the weak?
[02:47] <ScottK> Yes.  I was just there Mon/Tues.
[02:47] <sommer> the sound got better around Wed
[02:48] <ScottK> Figures
[02:48] <sommer> heh... I'll start working on the Postfix section and add a "mail hardening" section
[02:48] <ScottK> OK.
[02:49] <jjesse> sommer: two questions 1. Do you have the bzr branch downloaded 2. do you have commit rights?
[02:49] <ScottK> You might look at the postfix mailing list before you post ... instructions for stuff to put into troubleshooting.
[02:49] <sommer> jjesse: yep I've downloaded, but I don't have commit rights
[02:49] <jjesse> sommer: ok we can work on that, i can commit the diff
[02:49] <sommer> jjesse: cool
[02:50] <jjesse> jjesse at ubuntu dot com
[02:50] <sommer> ScottK: sure, is there any troubleshooting tips you use often?
[02:51] <ScottK> Read your logs and find the first sign of trouble, not the last is the first thing.
[02:51] <ScottK> Particularly mail.err and mail.warning.
[02:51] <sommer> heh... logs I'll definitely note that
[02:51] <ScottK> Take it out of the chroot is antoher good thing to do.
[02:51] <ScottK> sommer: Postfix is very meticulous about logging.  If it's not logged, you can be pretty sure it didn't happen.
[02:52] <sommer> jjesse: I submitted a patch with updates to the Mail chapter yesterday... if you want to review that
[02:52] <ScottK> Where to go for help is another thing to include.
[02:53] <sommer> ScottK: is there any special Ubuntu channels or ML for Postfix?
[02:53] <ScottK> Here and the server ML.
[02:53] <sommer> ah, sure
[02:53] <sommer> will include those, good pint
[02:53] <sommer> * point
[02:54] <ScottK> Since Wietse and Lamont have some agree to disagree points about how Postfix is packaged, it's important to come here for help first.
[02:55] <sommer> heh... it's pretty cool to have someone so involved with Postfix also involved with Ubuntu
[02:56] <ScottK> One of the big points why Ubuntu is my distro is that Postfix is the MTA of choice.
[02:57] <sommer> I like it better than Sendmail daily!
[02:59] <sommer> ScottK: I appreciate your input, stand by for updates.  I can probably have something worth more review by this weekend.
[03:00] <sommer> jjesse: I'll send you a diff as well
[03:00] <ScottK> It'll grow on you even more.
[03:00] <ScottK> sommer: I strongly recommend "The Book of Postfix" is you don't have it.
[03:01] <sommer> yep, I think I've seen you recommend it before so I picked it up... the SMTP AUTH chapter really helped me understand how SASL fits into Postfix
[03:02] <ScottK> I was had a lot of trouble until I had that.
[03:02] <ScottK> Just imagine the last line is correct English please.
[03:02] <sommer> heh... I got your meaning
[03:05] <sommer> jjesse: are we commiting to the bzr branch now?
[03:08] <jjesse> sommer:  yes sir
[03:08] <jjesse> wow laughing at SMTP AUTHO and SASL and Postfix all in one sentence
[03:09] <sommer> strong work, huh
[03:10] <Bambi_BOFH> hi all. anyone here familar with dspam configuration?
[03:16] <sommer> Bambi_BOFH: not I... sorry
[03:16] <Bambi_BOFH> np. i'll hope #dspam comes to life
[03:19] <fujin> smtpauth/sasl/postfix is ez
[03:27]  * lamont waves
[03:27] <ScottK> Heya lamont.
[03:58] <manchicken_> Anybody know if the default mysql-server package is compiled with --with-innodb?
[03:58] <somerville32> I'd suggest #ubuntu-devel
[03:59] <ScottK> Heh.
[03:59] <lamont> actually, I'd go look at the build log... :0)
[03:59] <ajmitch> hehe
[04:00] <ajmitch> considering that I use innodb tables all the time on ubuntu, I'd be surprised
[04:03] <manchicken_> heh
[04:03] <manchicken_> ajmitch: Okay, so how do I configure innodb to be my default?
[04:04] <manchicken_> My client is using innodb and it looks like Rose::DB is barfing as a result of this not being a Rose setup.
[04:04] <manchicken_> Err, innodb setup.
[04:04] <manchicken_> (client meaning business client, not mysql client)
[04:05]  * ajmitch does not know what that Rose::DB is checking for
[04:05] <manchicken_> It looks like it's looking for some .frm file.
[04:07] <manchicken_> Does that sound like something that would be innodb specific?
[04:07] <manchicken_> Ooh, it looks like it might be
[04:07] <manchicken_> That's it alright.
[04:08] <manchicken_> So, ajmitch, how do I make innodb the default engine?
[04:09] <manchicken_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InnoDBUnderUbuntu <-- that looks like I'm not the only one having this problem...
[04:11]  * ajmitch has always just specified table type at creation
[04:11] <ajmitch> so, that's saying it's a config issue
[04:11] <ajmitch> I admittedly don't have a default config here
[04:13] <manchicken_> Yeah...
[04:13] <manchicken_> but can you help me config it?  Pwetty pweez?
[04:15] <ajmitch> didn't that page answer it?
[04:15] <ajmitch> comment out skip-innodb iff it's there
[04:15] <manchicken_> Hmm...
[04:15] <manchicken_> that's commented out in my my.cnf...
[04:18] <ajmitch> and you created tables with the innodb option set?
[04:18] <manchicken_> It said it was disabled... but that was after I tried installing this enterprise version that my client gave me.
[04:19] <manchicken_> I'm trying to wipe it out and put on the default version again.
[04:19] <ajmitch> good luck
[04:20] <manchicken_> Why can't people make deb packages for stuff?
[04:21] <manchicken_> It's really not that hard.
[04:21] <manchicken_> And it looks like MySQL's enterprise tarball was configured to work with a debian build, they just had some weird stuff in their ./debian/rules file.
[04:23] <ajmitch> enterprise tarball?
[04:23] <ajmitch> I thought you were using the default ubuntu setup
[04:23] <manchicken_> I'm going back there.  My client is trying to talk me into using the enterprise thing.
[04:23] <manchicken_> They're on redhat, which is MySQL has an rpm for.
[04:25] <manchicken_> I'm trying to figure out how to make innodb the default now...
[04:29] <somerville32> Do you need postfix to send mail?
[04:29] <somerville32> Or is there something simpler I can install?
[04:30] <sommer> somerville32: I use ssmtp with mutt for that purpose
[04:31] <sommer> actually wrote a short guide about it today: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/mutt
[04:31] <sommer> heh
[04:31] <somerville32> This is on... hoary
[04:32] <somerville32> lol
[04:32] <somerville32> I'm trying to remove postfix and it wants to remove:
[04:32] <somerville32> anacron at lsb mailx mutt postfix postfix-tls ubuntu-base
[04:32] <sommer> mmmm... you could also try msmtp
[04:32] <lamont> somerville32: hoary support ended a year ago...
[04:33]  * manchicken_ curses loudly.
[04:33] <lamont> all of those packages Depend: mail-transport-agent
[04:33]  * lamont wanders
[04:33] <pschulz01> sommer: Does ssmtp support any DEBCONF options?
[04:34] <manchicken_> I just learned a very valuable lesson on how to ignore a client when they tell me that I have to install a certain version of a program without knowing why it's better than the default Ubuntu one.
[04:34] <somerville32> I can't install ssmtp :/
[04:35]  * somerville32 installs exim
[04:36] <sommer> pschulz01: I'm not sure... probably not
[04:36] <sommer> pschulz01: as in dpkg-configure?
[04:36] <pschulz01> sommer: Yes..
[04:37]  * sommer checking
[04:37] <pschulz01> sommer: Would mean that it can be 'pre-seeded'
[04:38] <sommer> pschulz01: actually I think it does... dpkg-reconfigure worked
[04:38] <sommer> nice
[04:44] <pschulz01> sommer: I'm getting rejections from my 'hub' as it expects the sender to be fully qualified.. eg root@hostname doesn't work.
[04:47] <sommer> pschulz01: did you set the hostname setting in /etc/ssmtp/ssmtp.conf?
[04:48] <sommer> does the mailhub require a correct fqdn?
[04:48] <pschulz01> sommer: yes.
[04:48] <pschulz01> sommer: (To your second question)
[04:49] <sommer> can you use SMTP AUTH with the hub?
[04:49] <pschulz01> sommer: OK.. I set FromLineOverride=YES
[04:49] <pschulz01> sommer: This caused the From line NOT to be overwritten..
[04:50] <sommer> that works too... heh
[04:51] <sommer> well I'm going to cash in for the night... later all
[04:51] <pschulz01> sommer: Goodnight.. noice doco :-)
[04:52] <Bambi_BOFH> later mate
[05:36] <Bambi_BOFH>     exec 1>/etc/ssmtp/ssmtp.conf
[05:36] <Bambi_BOFH> that looks a really odd way to create a file, but seems to work :) never sen that done before
[07:55] <kraut> moin
[07:56] <CyberMad> i want to create document storage with folder permission.. i did this on microsoft windows 2003 server on my company and i want replace it with Ubuntu, well i want user can access through samba, example: use map network drive and must enter their username & password, if not.. only have access as guest.  I want the folder permission is inheritance to its subfolder, but i can set individual permission on its subfolder. How to do that? I want to manage
[07:56] <CyberMad> does OpenLDAP suitable to my need?
[07:56] <CyberMad> or just SAMBA ?
[09:54] <oly-> CyberMad, its far simpler to just use samba, if your just doing file sharing
[10:09] <newbie23> hi there :-)
[10:09] <newbie23> can somebody please tell me:
[10:09] <newbie23> a. how I change the resolution of the terminal which is 80x25 to something like 132xxx using no gui
[10:09] <newbie23> b. is it possible to add more consoles as it is under suse using ALT-1 to ALT-6
[10:09] <newbie23> thanx
[10:17] <MekApelsin> what's the system requirements for gutsy-server? Shortly, what's the worst machine it will install on?
[10:17] <MekApelsin> especially interrested in ram use...
[10:17] <newbie23> I just installed it on a 200mmx 64MBram
[10:20] <MekApelsin> sounds nice
[10:20] <MekApelsin> thanks
[10:21] <MekApelsin> tinking about a 300mmx 64mb :D
[10:23] <newbie23> I just started it day before yesterday with minimal setup and now I have apache (without php mysql) and a torrent client running
[10:23] <newbie23> next I will try is seting up mysql and php (but I dont expect to much
[10:24] <MekApelsin> so the server install let you choose between ubuntu-standard or ubuntu-minimal as the metapackage?
[10:26] <newbie23> no it installs just the basic system almost by itself then after rebooting you just use the installmanager and add the progs you want
[10:28] <CyberMad> oly- are you there?
[10:29] <CyberMad> so what OpenLDAP suits to?
[10:30] <MekApelsin> newbie23: does it install the metapackage ubuntu-standard and ubuntu-minimal or only ubuntu-minimal?
[10:30] <newbie23> I think its minimal
[10:32] <MekApelsin> newbie23: you can check by running aptitude search ubuntu-standard
[10:33] <MekApelsin> if there is an i at the start of the line it is installed (you probably know that already, but anyway :D )
[10:33] <newbie23> i dont know how to search in apti
[10:34] <MekApelsin> it is easy, you just write " aptitude search ubuntu-standard " in a terminal
[10:34] <MekApelsin> it include stuff like iptables
[10:35] <oly-> CyberMad, ldap is basically a database, its good for large networks and for authenticating other services
[10:35] <oly-> a lot of web apps will tie in with ldap, so you manage all your users in one place,
[10:35] <MekApelsin> you got wget, iptables, nano and file in ubuntu-standard
[10:36] <oly-> active directory uses ldap to store its users and groups
[10:36] <newbie23> just found out yupp its standard
[10:36] <oly-> samba is far easier to use with out it, especially if you do not know ldap
[10:37] <MekApelsin> newbie23: thanks for checking it out for me :D
[10:37] <newbie23> your wellcome :-)
[10:37] <newbie23> have a nice day
[10:47] <newbie23> can somebody please tell me:
[10:47] <newbie23> a. how I change the resolution of the terminal which is 80x25 to something like 132xxx using no gui
[10:47] <newbie23> b. is it possible to add more consoles as it is under suse using ALT-1 to ALT-6
[10:47] <newbie23> thanx
[10:52] <somerville32> newbie23,
[10:53] <somerville32> ctrl + alt + F#
[10:55] <newbie23> thx my keyboard sucks with the left strg so it didn't work can I change it to only use alt instead
[14:45] <zul> yay i have xen-3.2 packaged for hardy
[14:58] <Nafallo> woha
[14:58] <Nafallo> kewl
[15:01] <Runithad_> mmmmmmmm
[15:01] <Runithad_> xen
[15:21] <ScottK> lamont: Is there any reason not to go ahead and sync postfix from Debian?
[16:02] <juliux> does somebody knows how i can send mail that matched a maildrop filterule to an other mailaddress?
[18:31] <stiV> hi everyone! i have a small problem w. aptitude. i have my own mirror for many servers with many of my own packages and many adapted packages (this works fine!). there are many machines using that server to keep up-to-date by issuing "aptitude -y dist-upgrade" in a cronjob. i test everything thourougly (man how is that word written right? sry, i'm native german), so i do know this command is dangerous, but i need it that way
[18:32] <stiV> Configuration file `WHATEVER/WHEREEVER'
[18:32] <stiV>  ==> File on system created by you or by a script.
[18:32] <stiV>  ==> File also in package provided by package maintainer.
[18:32] <stiV>    What would you like to do about it ?  Your options are:
[18:32] <stiV> [options, y i n o d z]
[18:32] <stiV>  The default action is to keep your current version.
[18:32] <stiV> [WHICH I DONT NEED!]
[18:32] <stiV> *** ttyS0 (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N] ?
[18:33] <stiV> is there a way to get this to default with Y and continue without interaction?
[18:34] <stiV> [interaction is not possible, since this is called via cron]
[18:34] <stiV> the command is called w. DEBCONF_FRONTEND=noninteractive DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive, but that doesn't help
[18:35] <stiV> i would really appreciate any idea ... i'm running out :-|
[18:35] <ivoks> it's insane to do this automaticaly
[18:35] <ivoks> really insane
[18:36] <ivoks> look at apt options, maybe there is some switch to make it automatic
[18:36] <ivoks> i've never think about doing it automatically
[18:36] <stiV> i know, but ALL the servers are installed the SAME way, and as i said - i test everything before deploying
[18:36] <ivoks> do you know what it asks you?
[18:37] <ivoks> it says 'you configured your stuff like this, but there is a change in configuration'
[18:37] <ivoks> and you want to overwrite your changes?
[18:37] <ivoks> or maybe leave your changes and possibly make service unavailable
[18:37] <ivoks> check apt_preferences or apt.config
[18:38] <ivoks> or something...
[18:38] <ivoks> bye
[18:39] <stiV> i always put the config files preconfigured in the package, since ALL the machines have the same config files. the settings that need to be adapted are always being adapted by some other systems that create them for me --- so i don't care whats there in the first place, since it has to be created a few seconds later ...
[18:39] <stiV> thanks i'll have a look
[18:41] <stiV> i'm using aptitude ... not apt-get
[18:46] <stiV> i found it ... dpkg has an option "--force-confnew"
[20:35] <^robertj> I've been told I need to change the type on my gpt legacy container before I can run grub, but changing it makes it unmountable so that I cant mount the thing to install grub
[20:38] <lamont> ScottK: no reason not to sync postfix
[20:53] <fujin> so, anyone an iptables expert?
[20:53] <fujin> I've got correct accept lines, but it's getting down to my log/drop at the bottom
[20:53] <fujin> using state
[21:51] <ScottK> lamont: Would you please ack Bug #160830 and subscribe ubuntu-archive?
[21:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 160830 in postfix "Please sync Postfix from Debian Unstable (Main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/160830
[21:51] <lamont> ScottK: ok
[21:55] <lamont> ScottK: and done
[21:55] <ScottK> lamont: Thanks.
[22:18] <lamont> ScottK: bug 127555: stopping twice is fine. :-)
[22:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127555 in postfix "package postfix 2.4.3-1ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/127555
[22:18] <lamont> I think we can call that one fixed.
[22:18]  * ScottK looks
[22:18] <lamont> 2.4.6-2 will have 35329 and 135851 fixed as well
[22:19] <ScottK> Great.
[22:21] <lamont> oops.  maybe I was unkind on bug 160176
[22:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 160176 in bind9 "L.ROOT-SERVERS.NET record needs an update" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/160176
[23:30] <newbie23> now I wanted to restrict the access by putting a .htaccess file in the www directory same as I found it in my xamp installation on windows (Auth Basic etc),  created the passwordfile with htpasswd, changed the AllowOveride from None to All in /etc/apache2/sites-available/default, restarted apache accessed the side and got a 500 err, I read the apache docs at least I tried to understand but...
[23:30] <newbie23> I installed the apache-worker and it works fine,
[23:30] <newbie23> ...it seams I can not wrapp my brain around it successfully :-(
[23:30] <newbie23> any pep-talk available?
[23:59] <maff> anyone doing clustering with 7.10?