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somerville32Nope00:00
somerville32applications > settings > desktop00:00
somerville32And you can disable the menu on right click00:01
somerville32and it'll bring up a context menu00:01
armini just got "[x] show desktop menu on right click" there, which, when i disable that, just brings up no menu at all, and when i enable it brings up my app menu.00:02
arminmeh. :-)00:03
arminit's just so amazing how cool xfce got, last time i tried it is about 6 years ago or so...00:04
somerville32Disable it and click ok00:05
somerville32it should bring up a context menu00:05
arminah. now i get closer to my gnome-settings-daemon problem i think.00:07
arminbrb, gotta restart X and stuff...00:07
arminthanks so far peepz.00:07
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somerville32Finding good Xfce4 themes is difficult01:08
Super_BQhello all04:10
somerville32Hiya :)04:11
Super_BQis it possible to upgrade an old Ubuntu box (Hoary Hedgehog) to Xubuntu?04:11
Super_BQmy ubuntu box kinda is messed up - no Gnome when it boots04:11
Super_BQcan only access it via SSH04:11
somerville32lol04:12
somerville32Why not just reinstall?04:12
Super_BQI could if I was physically there (i'm remote)04:12
somerville32Okay.04:12
* somerville32 thinks this will be fun.04:13
Super_BQsince all the repositories for Hoary are dead04:13
somerville32What are that stats on the machine?04:13
somerville32How much ram?04:13
somerville32How much diskspace?04:13
somerville32What is the cpu speed?04:13
Super_BQso there's no magic "apt-get upgrade to XUbuntu command04:13
somerville32There is04:13
somerville32lol04:13
Super_BQDell box PII_266Mhz, 512MB RAM, 160GB HD space on ATA-133 PCI card, dual NICs04:14
somerville32Perfect.04:14
somerville32I think we could upgrade you to Gutsy if you'd like04:14
Super_BQGnome was rather slow - would Gutsy be better?04:15
somerville32We'll give you Xfce404:15
somerville32Which is faster than Gnome04:15
somerville32Would you prefer if I did it?04:16
Super_BQanother requirement the box was doing: a) router b)Firestarter firewall c) FTP access d) SSH e) must be able to do command line email of my cronjobs04:16
Super_BQsomer: msg04:16
bloonywhats the command to open the application menu? trying to set it to a keyboard shortcut..04:56
somerville32xfce4-popup-menu05:01
bloonyk05:01
bart1105heya the sheep06:36
bart1105TheSheep: hello06:37
beefsaladI just upgraded from 7.04 to 7.10, I believe that xfce's WM isnt starting correctly, as I am not getting any window decorations.  When I go into the settings menu and go to window manager settings or window manager tweak i get an error "These settings cannot work with your current window manager (unknown)06:38
beefsaladand I believe I just confirmed the issue...when I run xfwm4 by hand I get the decorations back.  Does anyone know where this is normally started from?06:39
somerville32beefsalad, Just logout (make sure "save session" is ticked off) and than log back in06:40
somerville32should be saved06:40
bart1105good day to everyone: i have a little problem with my gui, like for example i am working on an openoffice doc and i use the find and replace option i option window is too big that when i click on the advanced options i can't get to the bottom part of the option06:40
beefsaladsomerville32: worked like a charm, thanks!06:41
somerville32beefsalad, No problem06:41
* Netham45 is off to bed07:48
bloonyhow do I make thunar start up as default when I open a folder or whatever? now its starting nautilus07:51
boubbinam i suppose to follow the wikis way to setup compiz for ubuntu or kubuntu or something else ?08:59
somerville32boubbin, For Xubuntu?09:03
boubbinthere arent any info conserning xubuntu..09:03
boubbin!compiz09:03
ubotuCompiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - help in #compiz-fusion09:03
somerville32boubbin, You'll have to navigate your way yourself09:08
somerville32However, people do it all the time09:08
somerville32Best bet is to attempt to follow ubuntu's guide09:09
newbie23hi there :-)09:58
newbie23can somebody please tell me:09:58
newbie23a. how I change the resolution of the terminal which is 80x25 to something like 132xxx using no gui09:58
newbie23b. is it possible to add more consoles as it is under suse using ALT-1 to ALT-609:58
newbie23thanx09:58
somerville32press ctrl+alt F#10:00
somerville32dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg10:01
newbie23I dont use a xserver10:02
somerville32Oh10:02
somerville32Are you using the server install?10:03
newbie23Yupp10:06
somerville32Please see #ubuntu-server :)10:07
newbie23okay thanx10:08
AlexCHow do i access a thumb drive on a command only system?10:57
* AlexC needs to access his flash drive11:00
bloonyhum.. how do I make a item on the panel allign on the right side of the panel?11:05
somerville32bloony, Use a spacer and than edit it and click expand11:07
bloonyhum11:07
somerville32AlexC, Is there any specific reason you came to #xubuntu for server support?11:07
bloonysomerville32: thx11:07
CyberMadhow to install openoffice on xubuntu?11:08
CyberMadi tried apt-cache search xubuntu but can not find it11:08
somerville32CyberMad, Install the openoffice.org package11:09
somerville32bloony, np11:10
CyberMadapt-get install openoffice.org ?11:12
somerville32yes.11:12
somerville32Although I dunno why you don't use the add/remove in Applications > System11:12
CyberMadE: Package openoffice.org has no installation cndidate :(11:12
CyberMadhehe sorry i'm new11:12
CyberMad:)11:13
CyberMadjust a second.. i try you suggestion11:13
bloonycan I turn of nautilus so its automaticaly uses thunar?11:26
somerville32bloony, Yes.11:29
somerville32Look in Applications > Setting manager11:29
bloonyhum11:30
bloonyand where?11:32
bloonycant find it in file manager11:32
bloonysomerville32:11:33
somerville32Sorry11:35
somerville32time for bed11:35
bloonyk11:35
bloonysleept tight11:36
platz08Hi, i think it's not normal when apt-get causes ~60% CPU load just after boot (started by anachron)11:39
platz08what might apt be doing?11:44
platz08downloading updates?11:44
platz08but why does it cause that hight load then11:44
platz08and even if it installed them now this wouldn't last that long, would it?11:45
platz08it already appered yesterday11:45
jsgim trying to install xubuntu on an intel pentium III, only has 700 MHz processor. im having trouble booting the xubuntu cd, when it has completed 'Loading the Linux Kernel', it freezes and nothing happens. any ideas?11:45
platz08are you using the alternative cd?11:46
jsgplatz08 , ive tried both the pc x86 and  the amd64 cds, both have the same problem11:47
totalnancyno the alternative i386 cd :}11:47
platz08the amd64 cd bots on an P3?11:47
platz08+o11:47
jsgoh, do you think it will make a difference, if other do are doing the same things?11:48
jsg*two11:48
platz08well, the desktop one needs at least 256MB of ram11:48
platz08this is the live cd11:48
totalnancy!alternative11:48
ubotuThe Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD - See also !Minimal11:48
platz08the alternative one has a textmode installer that even worked on my P2 with 64MB ;)11:49
jsgtextmode, interesting,k ill try that11:49
jsgthanx11:49
platz08so back to my problem ;) what do you think could cause apt-get running wild?11:50
platz08the machines here are turned off every afternoon by simple cutting of the power - not a nice method imo11:51
platz08but could these have caused an amok apt?11:51
totalnancyi wouldn't know11:53
totalnancybut why are they turned off by cutting of the power?11:53
platz08so do you think i could damage the system by simly killing it?11:53
totalnancyalso i won't know if it's normal11:53
platz08this is a good questions11:54
platz08very lazy adnmins11:54
totalnancygods11:54
toottoday i am going to try this system can some one tell me the disavantges for this sys12:20
tooti also have 256 ram12:20
tootand i got pentium 312:20
tootdo u think it is going to work in my computer12:21
tootany one12:21
tootok at leat i know where to ask12:23
tootleast12:23
nikolamhi12:47
nikolamI have processes that I cant kill with sudo kill -9 pid12:48
nikolamMy CPU meter shows 100% cpu use12:48
nikolamBut I dont see any such process with 100% in top.12:48
nikolamProcesses that I cant kill are testdisk, gam_server and thunar12:49
ader10Hey, is there a way I can make the buttons of the mpd client plugin for the panel12:53
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returnCodehallo guru13:22
returnCodehow can I install a new icon theme on xubuntu13:23
returnCodenobody can help me?13:23
daurnimatorhi all13:31
pshrhello13:31
daurnimatorJust booted xubuntu in a vm13:31
daurnimatorlooks nice13:32
daurnimatorthinking I may have found a home for a bit13:32
pshr:)13:32
daurnimatorfirst time I've use xfce13:33
daurnimatorand its not bad at all :)13:33
pshryup, its sweet13:37
pshrrox is nice aswell13:37
daurnimatorI've never liked rox actually13:39
daurnimatorI can survive though13:39
VSpikeShould the feisty installer be able to resize ntfs partitions?13:39
pshryup13:41
daurnimatornow I need to install a new hard drive13:41
daurnimatorbe back soon13:41
pshrtbh i rather would fix the partion u want feisty on before u install, then just manuell fix the / and swap13:42
VSpikepshr: it doesnt seem to offer me the option anywhere obvious.. are vista drives different?13:43
pshrnever dualed with vista13:43
VSpikepshr: how would i resise the partition without using the installer? I dont think there's a tool in windows13:43
TheSheepVSpike: gparted13:44
TheSheepVSpike: for linux13:44
TheSheepVSpike: and there are tools like partition magick for windows13:45
VSpikeTheSheep: ah, i thought the partition part of the installer *was* gparted, i must admit13:45
VSpikeHmm I guess with no way to backup the data I probably shouldnt risk it anyway13:48
pshru got 1 big systemdisk ?13:48
VSpikeWas just sitting in an airport with time to kill and a work laptop + xubuntu 7.04 live CD :)13:48
pshrahh hehe13:48
VSpikepshr: about 80G13:48
VSpikeAFAIK the resize can't be considered 100% safe.. especially with Vista probably13:49
VSpikealso should consider the fact that my time or the battery may run out before completion :)13:49
pshri wouldnt do it :)13:50
VSpikeNah, I think you're right13:50
pshralways a risk u will fuck up vista13:50
VSpikeWill just content myself with playing with the live CD13:50
pshrand if you got work related stuff on it etc etc13:50
pshrhehe13:50
VSpikeWell, I'm going to do a clean XP install when i get back anyway so losing Vista would not be too bad but losing the data would hurt13:51
VSpikeGo no blank CDR to backup or anything13:51
VSpikeHow's experience with gutsy here so far?13:51
VSpikeI upgraded my main machine which runs Kubuntu before i left on this trip, and it was not painless13:52
pshrmy upgrade went without a hitch lol13:52
pshrwas surprised to say the least13:52
VSpikeAlso just suffered a complete corruption of the system parition while I was away - was fun trying to fix that from 10,000 miles away with only an impatient and non-techie wife as an assistant at the machine13:53
VSpikeManaged to get it back, but will probably do a clean install when i get home because it was really messed up13:53
VSpikeA couple of people in #ubuntu advised me to avoid gutsy and install fiesty again13:54
VSpikeSuprised me a bit13:54
pshralot of ppl had problems with gutsy13:55
ablomenreally?13:55
ablomengutsy runs great on my machines13:55
VSpikeit's hard to say because reviews tend to be positive by nature, and if you search the forums, you find lots of problems, which is also expected because ppl go there to solve problems13:55
VSpikeso it's hard to get an objective view13:56
pshrjust skimmed thru various forum threads tho13:56
pshryea, no problem here either13:56
ablomeni know ati drivers are fudged up for some cards13:56
ablomenbut with nvidia there is no problem13:56
pshrid say xubuntu gg is abit faster13:56
VSpikeUpgrade rendered my machine unbootable.. it screwed up the kernels and the new kernel would not see my sata drives13:57
VSpikealso lost sound, skype, display driver, and a few other things13:57
ablomenouch13:57
pshrdamn hehe13:57
VSpikeyeah :)13:57
ablomenpshr, yep it is13:57
VSpikestill, was educational fixing the problems13:57
ablomenubuntu gutsy is faster too btw13:58
VSpikeyou need to be philosophical about these things i guess.  what doesn't kill you makes you stronger and all that13:58
VSpikeyeah once running, it seemed smoother and faster13:58
ablomenVSpike, lol13:58
VSpikealso upgrades are always likely to be more problematic, esp if you don't leave your install totally virginal13:59
ablomenonly problem here is that the new gedit saves its files 700, witch sucks with apache etc13:59
ablomenVSpike, my dad actually had a great upgrade, not one problem13:59
ablomenbut yeah that was all original repos etc14:00
VSpikeThis  disk corruption is a worry.  It occurred after a power cut, but normally that shouldnt be a problem.  smart and badblocks find no problems. So wondering if it's a subtle hardware problem, "just one of those things", or related to the kernel somehow14:00
VSpikeI'd like to spend some time playing with xubuntu now that ive got used to linux running kubuntu.  Always liked resurrecting old hardware, and also quite like a leaner desktop14:02
VSpikeIs there any equivalent of katapult for xfce?14:04
VSpikeIt's a killer app for kde14:04
VSpikeHaving to use this windows work laptop is painful enough, but i keep hitting alt-space to start things.14:05
VSpikeOh, and the vista start menu is loathsome btw14:05
pshrkatapult ?14:05
pshrno idea what that is14:05
VSpikeIt indexes applications in the start menu, as well as documents, bookmarks, music, video, etc.  Then you hit alt-space or whatever your hotkey is to pop it up and just type the first 2 or 3 letters of what you want and hit enter14:07
pshrah ok14:07
VSpikeI also has a built in spell checker and calculator.  tbh though I just use it for starting applications14:07
ablomenVSpike, you can try the deskbar applet14:07
ablomenits gnome but you can run it in xfce too14:07
VSpikeIt indexes their descriptive names as well as the file anme14:07
ablomennot quite as advanced as katapult looks14:07
pshrwell, fix key shortcuts, ctrl+alt+z gives you firefox14:08
pshretc etc14:08
ablomenbut still a nice applet14:08
VSpikeablomen: i'll look into it - have not really used gnome much.  last time i tried, it would not run on my system.  Although gutsy upgrade appears to have fixed that :)14:09
ablomen:)14:09
VSpikerunning the xubuntu live cd on this system makes vista look steam powered14:09
ablomenxfce4-xfapplet-plugin << youll need to install that too btw14:09
ablomenlol14:10
VSpikeright - 4% battery time to go14:17
VSpikethanks for passing the time !14:17
VSpiketake care14:17
ablomenlater14:17
daurnimatorre, and with a new hdd attached! :)14:25
daurnimatorhow big a space do I need to install xubuntu with lots of options + more later down the track14:37
daurnimatorand how should I be partitioned?14:37
ablomendarrend, i always do something like / ext3 20gb /home ext3 rest_of_disk_space14:38
ablomenthats a really safe approach14:38
ablomenoh and 2x memmory size for swap14:39
daurnimatorwell14:40
ablomenbut you could make / half of that14:40
daurnimatorI have various sized hdds here14:40
daurnimatorSo....14:40
daurnimatorprobably go the smallest then14:40
ablomenand you want to use all the disk?14:40
daurnimatorunless you have a better idea? :P14:40
ablomenlol14:40
daurnimator(120gb) - 111gb formatted. 4gb swap14:40
daurnimatorthats 107gb left to play with14:41
ablomenid use a seperate home partition if i where you14:41
daurnimator40/67?14:41
daurnimatoror will I never be getting >20 on /?14:41
ablomennot unless you do something really strange, or make it a server14:42
daurnimatorWell... wtf do I do with 87gb of /home14:42
ablomenwell save data and stuff ;)14:43
ablomenbelieve me, youll get trough it, i think i have about 200gb's in my home folder at home, and about 60 here at work14:43
daurnimatorwtf is in it?14:43
ablomenmy tbird inbox already exceeds 5 gb14:44
daurnimatorI have other drives for music, video, torrents etc14:44
ablomenthen you have music, images, backups etc14:44
ablomenah14:44
daurnimatoronly thing I'll have on it is .... uh.... settings14:44
ablomenhmm yeah14:47
ablomenthen you dont really need 67gb :P14:47
mahone_Goodmorning everybody, I have a problem running a script in Xubuntu 7.10....15:08
mahone_Goodmorning everybody, I have a problem running a script in Xubuntu 7.10....15:09
nanonymemight want to start again with the relevant information15:12
mahone_Oh, sorry, I had problems with GuardDog...15:14
mahone_I though the message hadn't arrived...15:14
mahone_Because some protocols were blocked...15:14
mahone_Anyway, I want to run a script to execute Azureus (BitTorrent client/server). I have installed it not with APT, but directly uncompressing the latest .tar.gz package (the version currently in Xubuntu repos isn't the latest)15:15
mahone_The script is in /opt/azureus, and is called 'azureus'15:16
mahone_If I run it through the Terminal, opening a Terminal, and typing 'cd /opt/azureus; ./azureus', everything works...15:16
mahone_But if I want to create a Program Launcher on the desktop panel, and specify as the command '/opt/azureus/azureus', it doesn't start anything...15:17
mahone_I've also tried using 'sh /opt/azureus/azureus', but nothing...15:18
mahone_One thing I noticed is that executing 'sh /opt/azureus/azureus' in the Terminal gives me the error '56: sintax error: "(" unexpected (expecting "done")15:20
mahone_What could the reason be for this?15:21
NewoHi16:14
NewoI was wondering if someone could help me, because I have no idea what I am doing16:16
TheSheep!ask | Newo16:16
ubotuNewo: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)16:16
Woodruff_is around 256 mb of swap partition is enough or will the system benefit much if i make it larger?16:17
TheSheepWoodruff_: how much ram do you have?16:17
Woodruff_i have 512 MB16:17
Woodruff_thats another problem i have btw16:18
TheSheepWoodruff_: oh?16:18
NewoI have installed Xubuntu (or at least I think I have, it appears to have the xubuntu loading screen) and it gets to the terminal and then I am stumped16:18
Woodruff_Well i have 1 Gig of memory but xubuntu only recognize 512 for some reason16:19
TheSheepWoodruff_: other systems see more?16:19
Woodruff_nope16:20
Woodruff_xp see the same16:20
TheSheepWoodruff_: seems like a hardware problem16:20
Woodruff_yeah thought so too , so TheSheep you think the 256 Swap dir is enough?16:21
TheSheepWoodruff_: I use 1GB16:21
TheSheepWoodruff_: the rule of thumb is 2xRAM16:21
TheSheepNewo: looks like it didn't install properly16:23
NewoXubuntu is stuck on the terminal and is refusing to boot to the GUI, I was wondering what to do.16:23
NewoI'll try reinstalling it16:23
TheSheepNewo: can you log in in text mode?16:23
NewoIt is the first boot16:23
NewoSo, I am not sure16:23
Woodruff_can i use the GParted to add Swap partitions?16:24
NewoMy good old Ubuntu 5.04 didn't do this, I may reinstall it :P16:25
Woodruff_Do i just need to format another GB for "linux-swap" and thats it?16:25
Woodruff_or i need to define something somewhere16:25
NewoI may be back for help later...16:26
TheSheepWoodruff_: just formatting it should be enough16:27
TheSheepWoodruff_: you might need to add it to fstab16:27
TheSheep!fstab | Woodruff_16:28
ubotuWoodruff_: The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions16:28
Woodruff_Thanks TheSheep16:28
Woodruff_humm if i have an unformatted partition of around 30GB how do i allocate 1 GB of it to Swap?16:38
Woodruff_i cant seems to be able to format only part of it16:38
Woodruff_or make a new partition16:38
Woodruff_and i cant delete it16:39
Woodruff_says "Please unmount any logical partition having a number higher then 5"16:40
TheSheepWoodruff_: boot from the livecd16:43
TheSheepWoodruff_: messing with partitions on a running system may be a bad idea16:44
Woodruff_its a partition not being used16:45
Woodruff_its not even formatted16:45
Woodruff_i see only 3 GB on my / partition16:45
mahoneHow can I make a certain command to be executed everytime the system boots?16:52
TheSheepmahone: put it in /etc/rc.local16:52
mahoneOK. And how can I make the system not launching X (headless system)?16:53
TheSheepmahone: disable gdm in default runlevel16:54
mahoneShould I delete she S* and K* scripts?16:55
TheSheepmahone: no16:55
TheSheepmahone: just rename the Sxx ones to Kxxx16:55
TheSheepmahone: S means start in this runlevel, K means stop16:55
mahoneOK, so for example S10GDM becomes....K..what?16:56
TheSheepK10GDM16:56
TheSheepmahone: or install sysv-rc-conf and do it with it16:57
TheSheepmahone: it's a simple program that will display you a menu and do it for you16:57
mahoneOK, thanks. Why does Ubuntu uses 2 as default runlevel, and not 5?17:03
TheSheepmahone: because it inherits from debian, which hass all the 2-5 runlevels the same anyways17:10
mahoneTheSheep: I understand. Anyway, thanks for the tips17:10
snerfuis there a way to get a list of packages that came with gutsy xubuntu so I can diff it against my current package list and remove things I don't need anymore?17:39
zoredachesnerfu: you could do a quick install inside a vmware17:51
slow-motionhi18:53
evil_techhola18:54
NinjaChocoboHi, I'm having some trouble installing Xubuntu on an old Toshiba Satellite laptop.19:01
evil_techwhat seems to be the prob19:05
NinjaChocoboWell, I boot it up, and select 'text installer' or something (from CD). Then when it comes to the "Detect and mount CD-ROM" step, it doesn't recognise the CD drive.19:06
NinjaChocoboInstead, it asks me for drivers on a floppy (which I don't have), or to select a module from a list (which I don't understand).19:07
evil_techooh ive gottent hat before19:08
evil_techis it in a docking station?19:08
NinjaChocoboNo...I don't think I have one of those.19:09
evil_techis it an external cd?19:09
NinjaChocoboNope.19:09
evil_techhmm19:09
evil_techwhat happens if you ignore the asking for modules and continue the installation19:10
evil_tech?19:10
NinjaChocoboIt says the step failed, and asks me to select a different step from a menu19:10
evil_techbollocks19:10
evil_tech*thinking19:11
evil_techi really need to start writing my own documentation for fixing things like this cause my memory sucks19:13
NinjaChocoboHeh...19:13
evil_techwell there are all the ways to install without a cdrom19:14
evil_technet install, installing from Damn Small Linux19:14
NinjaChocoboNet install?19:15
evil_techhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=206819:16
evil_techi think what i ended up doing was booting DSL to find out information on what controllers were in the computer, found modules for each loaded them at that prompt and eventually got it to work19:17
evil_techit was a long process and a pain in the @$$ but i had no clue what i was doing19:17
NinjaChocobo:/19:17
NinjaChocoboI don't have an FTP or HTTP server, will this computer work?19:18
evil_techi think you can make a temp onr on a machine19:18
evil_techyou can install from windows now appartently19:18
evil_techhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromWindows19:19
evil_techi've tried the loadlin approach in the past to get linux to boot from usb drive on a computer with only a floppy and hard drive19:20
NinjaChocoboI don't have Windows on it.19:20
evil_techwhat are the specs?19:20
evil_techof the laptop19:20
NinjaChocoboNot sure about the CPU, but it's got 128 MB of RAM19:21
NinjaChocobo(I'm using the alternate installer)19:21
evil_techhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=406219:22
evil_techthat is a little closer to the actual problem19:22
NinjaChocoboProblem:19:26
NinjaChocoboThere19:26
NinjaChocobo*There's no HTTP or FTP instll button.19:27
evil_techbutton?19:27
NinjaChocoboOption, I meant.19:28
evil_techhave a usb cdrom?19:28
DaBeowulfDo you know about a bug where booting from the Live CD has the mouse pointer rendering not updated and the only visible clue to where it's at is buttons highlighting?19:29
NinjaChocoboAfraid not.19:29
evil_techhmmm......19:30
evil_techi know there is some way to get the cd working that is really easy and im overthinking this19:31
riciis there some simple instruction for how to install open type fonts into xubuntu?19:33
ricii just want to install the styx fonts19:33
quittthow do I change on boot from Ubuntu to XUbuntu?19:43
quittt(I want it to stay even when it is updated!!)19:44
ader10-afksudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop19:44
quitttader10-afk, done! I mean on boot manager19:44
quitttader10-afk, on GRUB19:44
totalnancyyou still load the same kernel19:44
totalnancyjust log out of your ubuntu session19:44
totalnancyyou'll see gdm or something19:45
totalnancychange session19:45
quittttotalnancy, it is not the session19:45
quitttit is on GRUB, the boot manager19:45
totalnancyit isn't :]19:45
quitttit is "Ubuntu", not XUbuntu19:45
totalnancyyou'll have to ignore what grub says19:45
quitttgrub is on the boot... it is NOT GDM19:46
quitttGDM has nothing to do with GRUB19:46
totalnancygrub just loads your kernel, and that is the same one for xfce or gnome19:46
ader10-afkquittt: sudo mousepad /boot/grub/menu.lst19:46
totalnancygahh19:46
quittttotalnancy, I know it! But the name there is Ubuntu19:46
ader10-afkquittt: near the bottom you can change the 'Ubuntu's to 'Xubuntu19:46
quitttbut it is not Ubuntu, it is XUbuntu19:47
evil_techwell if heinstalled it on two seperate partitions then grub will list both19:47
ader10-afkquittt: Did you see what I said?19:47
evil_techthats what i did. i have Fluxbuntu installed on one partition, Xubuntu on another and Ubuntu on another19:47
ader10-afkevil_tech: why not just have them all on the same partition?19:48
ader10-afkevil_tech: just switch the session on login19:48
evil_techmanagement of files19:48
ader10-afk?19:48
evil_techi use different programs in each. and i fiddle with things alot so if i break something and want to fix i just wipe that partition19:49
quitttader10-afk, will it stay when I update to the next kernel next time?19:49
ader10-afkquittt: only if you save19:49
evil_techupgrading will not mess with grub other than giving you the option to boot the old kernel19:49
quitttader10-afk, I changed it19:49
ader10-afkquittt: If you want to reboot now to check I'll be here I think19:50
quitttdamn!19:51
quitttI do update-grub19:51
quitttand it changes XUbuntu to Ubuntu again!!19:51
quitttthere is another configuration19:51
ader10-afkNot that I know of19:51
ader10-afktry running (without the quotes) "man update-grub"19:52
ader10-afkor ask for help in a grub channel19:52
quitttwho uses XUbuntu have on GRUB Ubuntu or XUbuntu?20:02
totalwormageubuntu20:03
DaBeowulfI once had Xubuntu and Win on it.. :P20:03
quittttotalwormage, true?20:03
totalwormagei keep telling you :]20:03
quitttoh20:03
quitttso forget it20:03
quittthaha20:03
quittt=]20:03
totalwormage:P20:03
quitttanother thing... how do I make XFCE don't keep saving sessions?20:03
DaBeowulfBut if you have either Ubuntu or Xubuntu why install the other and if so why give it a whole new partition and have redundant files..20:04
quitttwhen I boot it, it always open applications that I don't want to... that I was using when I turned it off20:04
evil_techyou have to tell it not to save your session when you log off20:05
pcrtechtest testy20:23
totalwormagepong20:23
pcrtechyay it worked20:24
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evil_techi rather like irssi20:25
totalwormagegood20:25
totalwormagewelcome to the family20:25
totalwormagethe irssi crew rejected my irssi logo >_<20:26
evil_tech:)20:26
evil_techhow do i close windows?20:28
totalwormage/window close20:28
evil_techmakes sense20:28
somerville32Is anyone using dapper?20:29
k^^or /wc in irrsi20:29
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NinjaChocoboHey, do any of you know how to get Xubuntu to recognise my CD drive?20:32
NinjaChocoboEvidently not...*sigh*. Looks like I'll have to use Windows ME.20:35
evil_techNO!!!20:35
evil_techno ME20:35
evil_techboot a different version of linux but dont use windows ME20:36
NinjaChocoboI am all too aware of how much ME sucks proverbial ass.20:36
evil_techthough you could theoretically install xubuntu from windows me20:36
evil_techi think20:36
TheSheepNinjaChocobo: it should just see the drive without any need to do anything extra20:36
NinjaChocoboIt should.20:36
TheSheepNinjaChocobo: is your cd drive special?20:36
NinjaChocoboBut it does not.20:36
NinjaChocoboNot that I know of.20:36
evil_techits in a laptop. is it hot swappable?20:37
NinjaChocoboHot swappable?20:37
evil_techcan you easily remove the drive and put say a floppy drive in its place20:37
evil_techor a battery?20:37
NinjaChocoboNope.20:37
evil_techhmm20:37
evil_techYou could try using the Live CD and see if that will boot and install from there20:38
NinjaChocoboI doubt it...20:38
evil_techive had the live cd work when the alternate cd wouldnt20:38
NinjaChocoboIt doesn't have the required 192 MB of RAM.20:38
evil_techwell that wont work20:38
evil_techwell it might but very very slowly20:39
NinjaChocoboIt won'20:39
NinjaChocobot20:39
NinjaChocoboI tried using the Ubuntu live CD (requires same amount of RAM), and it didn't word.20:39
evil_techyou could try DSL or installing from knoppix20:39
NinjaChocobo*work20:39
NinjaChocoboHow would I do that?20:40
evil_techrun DSL or install from KNOPPIX?20:40
NinjaChocoboBoth. Got a link?20:41
evil_techhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromKnoppix20:41
evil_techthats to install from KNOPPIX20:41
evil_techand here is Damn Small Linux (aka DSL)http://damnsmalllinux.org/20:41
NinjaChocoboOh, THAT DSL.20:42
evil_techyeah20:42
evil_techive heard that you can do the knoppix install in DSL too20:42
evil_techcant find the article right now though20:43
NinjaChocoboThanks anyway.20:43
NinjaChocoboThere's a lot of stuff I can try now, which is good.20:43
NinjaChocoboActually...20:48
NinjaChocoboDo I need much technical knowledge to run DSL? Because I think that would work better.20:49
evil_techwell what are you doing with the laptop?20:50
NinjaChocoboMostly word processing and PDF viewing.20:52
evil_techthen DSL will work.20:53
NinjaChocoboCool. If I can't get Xubuntu to work I'll use it.20:54
NinjaChocoboThanks a lot for your help.20:54
evil_techanything but WinME. be better off installing DOS than running that piece of garbage20:56
evil_techah hes gone20:56
evil_techcan i use dd to copy over 5 1/4 floppies to 3 1/2 inch floppies20:58
evil_tech?20:58
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ir4d0mYo guys21:18
vinzeHey ir4d0m21:18
ir4d0mi need help.. trying to find a program that will umm well a tool that is like an auto typer? u know something will crack aim passwords?21:18
ir4d0mlol hey vinze =P21:18
vinzeCrack AIM passwords? Why would you want to do that?21:19
ir4d0mvinze u should know me by now... i got to many things going on.. well my friend like wants his old aim name 4C0RN but he doesnt know anything to get his forgot password thingys21:19
ir4d0mso he wants me to try and get into it21:20
somerville32ir4d0m, aim has a password recovery system21:20
somerville32ir4d0m, Use that.21:20
vinzeir4d0m, I don't recognise your username.... Anyway, doesn't AIM offer some kind of "Forgot password?" button?21:20
ir4d0myeah it does but he doesnt know his info or old email anything21:21
ir4d0mlol vinze i saw u here 2 weeks ago.. had tor problems?21:21
somerville32ir4d0m, Than e-mail support21:21
somerville32ir4d0m, See if they can help you.21:21
vinzeir4d0m, nope, can't recall...21:21
ir4d0mlol but u guys DONT KNOW ANYTHING that will crack passwords?21:22
vinzeNot AIM passwords :P21:22
vinzeI only have experience with WEP keys ;-)21:22
ir4d0mlol what program vinze?21:22
* somerville32 coughs.21:23
vinzeir4d0m, aircrack-ng + airoscript (only for educational purposes, of course...)21:23
somerville32This discussion is not appropriate at all for this channel at all.21:23
ir4d0mok vinze21:23
ir4d0mthx21:23
ir4d0mlol sry somerville21:24
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ir4d0mI NEED TO DOWNLOAD SHRED.... any help?22:10
ir4d0mi dont know where to start22:10
somerville32What is shred?22:10
ir4d0mim going to sell my old laptop22:10
vinzeir4d0m, isn't shred installed by default?22:10
vinzeIt was for me22:10
ir4d0mbut i have old things that i dont want people to use22:10
ir4d0mYo vinze... how can i access it then?22:10
vinzeir4d0m, it's a terminal applications, "shred <document_to_shred>" I believe22:11
ir4d0m0.os22:11
ir4d0mnice22:11
somerville32yea22:11
somerville32shred is installed by default22:11
ir4d0mcan i erase entire hard drives?22:11
ir4d0mor would i do better just reinstalling linux22:11
vinzeI guess so22:11
evil_techwhy not use DBAN22:12
vinzePerhaps, in your root account, "shred ./*", but that would probably cause problems :P22:12
ir4d0mwhats Dban?22:12
evil_techDariks Boot and Nuke22:12
ir4d0mlol vinze.. if i do that.. could i reinstall Linux22:12
vinzeir4d0m, I guess so22:12
evil_techhas a variety of hard drive data destroying fun22:12
vinzeBut I think your system would crash before the shredding is completed22:12
somerville32Your bios most likely has a low-level format option22:13
ir4d0mso if i do it i could mess myself up22:19
ir4d0mim going to do it22:19
evil_technuke away22:20
ir4d0mnuke?22:21
ir4d0mu mean if i do it... my computer will crash... then i can reinstall linux?22:21
TheSheepyou could boot from the livecd and shred the disk22:21
ir4d0mok22:22
ir4d0mgood but could anything get pulled up through file grave or something like that22:22
evil_techif you just do a standard format yes22:23
evil_techyou need something that is going to write 0's over the entire disk a bunch of times.22:23
evil_techDBAN, killdisc, manufacter of the hard disc or even the BIOS have a low level format that pretty much does that22:24
ir4d0mdang22:25
evil_techi use DBAN here in my shop to nuke discs. only the NSA could get stuff off of them when im done >:D22:25
ir4d0mumm how can i get dban?22:25
evil_techdownload it off sourceforge22:25
evil_techgoogle dariks boot and nuke22:26
ir4d0mi dont know where it is.. link?22:26
ir4d0mok22:26
evil_techdban.sourceforge.net22:29
zoredachedban is a bit overly paranoid...  Can you point at any 'real' application that restore something from a drive after you did a simple dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/drive  ?22:31
evil_techyeah i had one in the military :)22:31
slow-motionn822:32
evil_techso no your average joe cant get your data back22:32
zoredacheyou had something that could restore from a basic format, or a complete single pass of writing zeros?22:33
evil_techit could restore anything not zeroed out at least 10 times22:33
ir4d0mi need somethign that will erase everything but still let me install linux22:33
ir4d0myo Evil_tech about how big is that file u told me to download22:34
zoredachedban fits on a floppy22:34
evil_techyeah it fits on a floppy22:34
returnCodehallo everibody22:35
zoredacheevil_tech: I don't believe it evil_tech...22:35
ader10How do I get the keys along the top of my keyboard to function? (the mute key, the volume up/down keys, the calculator key, etc)22:35
ir4d0myo evil_tech.. umm ima run it22:35
ir4d0mbut what do i do? just plug it22:35
returnCodehow I install them on xubuntu22:36
evil_techwell im going off what the military intelligence guys said it could do. ive seen it get stuff back after a BIOS supposedly low level formatted it22:36
returnCodethemes icons22:36
ir4d0mso what? just restart my compputer and press f12 and run it? or just plug it back in and watch it run22:36
evil_techjust boot from floppy and follow the prompts22:37
ir4d0mi put it on a cd?22:37
evil_techboot from cd and follow the prompts22:37
ir4d0mok22:37
ir4d0mlol22:37
evil_techscreens are the same no matter the media22:37
zoredacheif you downloaded the iso image you need to write an iso... if you downloaded the floppy image you need to create a boot floppy22:38
evil_techi recommend not doing autonuke if there are other drives in the computer22:38
ir4d0mlol i downloaded a iso. and then i burned an iso image using gnome baker22:39
ir4d0mi just plugged it in about a min ago.. and it aint doing anything22:39
ader10I'm being ignored again...22:40
evil_techpfft thats what i get for believing military intelligence. that program doesnt exist. according to my friend it cant recover anything that has been zeroes more than two times22:40
ir4d0mWHAT???22:40
ir4d0mU MEAN THE NUKE THINGY? IM TRYING TO ERASE MY HARD DRIVE NOT BRING STUFF BACK22:41
evil_techno i was refering to zordache calling my bluff on a different program22:41
ir4d0mo22:41
ir4d0mlol22:42
evil_techlol22:42
ir4d0mlol the_sheep22:43
ader10How do I get the keys along the top of my keyboard to function? (the mute key, the volume up/down keys, the calculator key, etc)22:44
ir4d0myo evil_tech.... i burned it and i plugged it in to run it... do i gotta restart my computer? to boot the cd first or what22:47
evil_techyes22:47
ader10You guys can't answer a question I thought was simple... I'm going to #ubuntu for help. It'd be nice if you guys at least _tried_ to help22:48
evil_techit doesnt run in the OS becuase it is deleting all those files22:48
ir4d0moh so while its plugged in.. it runs silently?22:48
evil_techader10: if no one is answering its because they are 1)busy 2)sleeping and not logged in 3)they dont have an answer for you22:49
TheSheepader10: maybe try looking at the wiki or forums22:49
ader10Why would anyone leave IRC on while they're sleeping? It's not like they're gonna find the person sitting on IRC when they wake up22:49
evil_techir4d0m:the program is going to delete everything off your hard drive. it would be like it was brand new from the factory22:49
evil_techso it boots itself off your cd into ram and does its thing22:50
ir4d0mok22:51
ir4d0mit runs silently.. got it... at any point will i lsoe contact w/ u?22:52
evil_techif you are on the computer you are erasing the hard drive then yes22:52
ir4d0mok22:53
ir4d0mhow long should it take22:53
evil_techdepends on what options you choose and the size of the drive22:53
evil_techyou do realise that the computer you run this on will need the OS installed again and none of the data will be recoverable22:55
evil_tech?22:55
ader10How do I get the keys along the top of my keyboard to function? (the mute key, the volume up/down keys, the calculator key, etc)22:55
neur1hello22:56
evil_techader10:https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InputDevices22:56
somerville32hi22:56
evil_techmay help a little22:56
ir4d0mYes i do evil_tech..  but also.. when i plugged it in.. nothing popped up...22:57
evil_techdid you tell it to boot from the cd you burned it to?22:57
ir4d0mwhat do u mean Boot? from the cd22:59
ir4d0mi just plugged it in22:59
evil_techplugged what in?22:59
ir4d0mplugged the cd into the cd drive22:59
ir4d0mdriver*22:59
evil_techok so you burned the DBAN ISO to a CD. Put the CD in the drive, rebooted the computer and told it to boot from that CD?23:00
ir4d0mno i didnt reboot computer?23:01
ir4d0m0.os23:01
ir4d0mlol i asked that and i didnt get an answer or i wasnt paying attention23:01
evil_techyou need to reboot and then boot the computer from the CD23:01
ir4d0mok23:03
ir4d0mhaha will do23:03
neur1o.k. when i plug in my pcmcia card sometimes, the system freezes. in the ubuntu docs it says to add a line but i can't open up the file to edit it, i tried gksudo gedit and the path to the file.23:04
evil_techtry sudo nano pathtofile from a terminal23:05
TheSheepor gksudo mousepad23:05
neur1will it open the doc?23:06
evil_techshould23:06
neur1o.k. I'll try that thanks23:07
neur1what's happening when the wireless can find and see the access point, even connects sometimes but the browser is inop?23:09
evil_techinop meaning you cant view webpages or inop that it doesnt work at all23:11
neur1can't view web pages23:12
evil_techcan you navigate to web pages by IP?23:14
evil_techfor instance type 72.14.205.104 into your address bar23:14
neur1hmm , i'll try . . .23:15
evil_techhmm my wireless card apparently isnt working in fluxbuntu23:17
neur1can't get a connection, so don't know23:21
somerville32What is the command to run X in a window?23:23
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bigfuzzyjesus_somerville32, if you are like on an ssh session23:24
somerville32yeah23:25
bigfuzzyjesus_hrmm23:25
bigfuzzyjesus_maybe ssh name@ip -x appcommand23:25
somerville32Yeah, that works great23:25
somerville32but I want it to start the desktop :P23:25
bigfuzzyjesus_oh23:25
bigfuzzyjesus_hah23:25
bigfuzzyjesus_vnc :)23:26
bigfuzzyjesus_thats what i do for the desktop23:26
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somerville32lets pretend I don't have vnc23:26
somerville32Infact, lets pretend I'm local23:26
* bigfuzzyjesus_ refers to his linux handbook23:26
somerville32I know there is a command for this23:26
bigfuzzyjesus_ahhhh!23:26
bigfuzzyjesus_i cant find my linux bible23:26
somerville32sinner :/23:28
evil_techi have that same problem23:28
evil_techand when i find who has it they will die!!!23:28
bigfuzzyjesus_i really cant find it23:29
bigfuzzyjesus_this is going to bug me23:29
evil_techneur1: any luck?23:30
bigfuzzyjesus_wewet23:30
bigfuzzyjesus_found it23:31
neur1nope can't get a connection  on the other computer, where problem lies23:33
neur1but the edit thing worked thanks gotta see if it doesn't freeze any more lol23:34
neur1using a netgear MA401 in a ibm 600e running xubuntu23:35

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