[00:00] <somerville32> Nope
[00:00] <somerville32> applications > settings > desktop
[00:01] <somerville32> And you can disable the menu on right click
[00:01] <somerville32> and it'll bring up a context menu
[00:02] <armin> i just got "[x] show desktop menu on right click" there, which, when i disable that, just brings up no menu at all, and when i enable it brings up my app menu.
[00:03] <armin> meh. :-)
[00:04] <armin> it's just so amazing how cool xfce got, last time i tried it is about 6 years ago or so...
[00:05] <somerville32> Disable it and click ok
[00:05] <somerville32> it should bring up a context menu
[00:07] <armin> ah. now i get closer to my gnome-settings-daemon problem i think.
[00:07] <armin> brb, gotta restart X and stuff...
[00:07] <armin> thanks so far peepz.
[01:08] <somerville32> Finding good Xfce4 themes is difficult
[04:10] <Super_BQ> hello all
[04:11] <somerville32> Hiya :)
[04:11] <Super_BQ> is it possible to upgrade an old Ubuntu box (Hoary Hedgehog) to Xubuntu?
[04:11] <Super_BQ> my ubuntu box kinda is messed up - no Gnome when it boots
[04:11] <Super_BQ> can only access it via SSH
[04:12] <somerville32> lol
[04:12] <somerville32> Why not just reinstall?
[04:12] <Super_BQ> I could if I was physically there (i'm remote)
[04:12] <somerville32> Okay.
[04:13]  * somerville32 thinks this will be fun.
[04:13] <Super_BQ> since all the repositories for Hoary are dead
[04:13] <somerville32> What are that stats on the machine?
[04:13] <somerville32> How much ram?
[04:13] <somerville32> How much diskspace?
[04:13] <somerville32> What is the cpu speed?
[04:13] <Super_BQ> so there's no magic "apt-get upgrade to XUbuntu command
[04:13] <somerville32> There is
[04:13] <somerville32> lol
[04:14] <Super_BQ> Dell box PII_266Mhz, 512MB RAM, 160GB HD space on ATA-133 PCI card, dual NICs
[04:14] <somerville32> Perfect.
[04:14] <somerville32> I think we could upgrade you to Gutsy if you'd like
[04:15] <Super_BQ> Gnome was rather slow - would Gutsy be better?
[04:15] <somerville32> We'll give you Xfce4
[04:15] <somerville32> Which is faster than Gnome
[04:16] <somerville32> Would you prefer if I did it?
[04:16] <Super_BQ> another requirement the box was doing: a) router b)Firestarter firewall c) FTP access d) SSH e) must be able to do command line email of my cronjobs
[04:16] <Super_BQ> somer: msg
[04:56] <bloony> whats the command to open the application menu? trying to set it to a keyboard shortcut..
[05:01] <somerville32> xfce4-popup-menu
[05:01] <bloony> k
[06:36] <bart1105> heya the sheep
[06:37] <bart1105> TheSheep: hello
[06:38] <beefsalad> I just upgraded from 7.04 to 7.10, I believe that xfce's WM isnt starting correctly, as I am not getting any window decorations.  When I go into the settings menu and go to window manager settings or window manager tweak i get an error "These settings cannot work with your current window manager (unknown)
[06:39] <beefsalad> and I believe I just confirmed the issue...when I run xfwm4 by hand I get the decorations back.  Does anyone know where this is normally started from?
[06:40] <somerville32> beefsalad, Just logout (make sure "save session" is ticked off) and than log back in
[06:40] <somerville32> should be saved
[06:40] <bart1105> good day to everyone: i have a little problem with my gui, like for example i am working on an openoffice doc and i use the find and replace option i option window is too big that when i click on the advanced options i can't get to the bottom part of the option
[06:41] <beefsalad> somerville32: worked like a charm, thanks!
[06:41] <somerville32> beefsalad, No problem
[07:48]  * Netham45 is off to bed
[07:51] <bloony> how do I make thunar start up as default when I open a folder or whatever? now its starting nautilus
[08:59] <boubbin> am i suppose to follow the wikis way to setup compiz for ubuntu or kubuntu or something else ?
[09:03] <somerville32> boubbin, For Xubuntu?
[09:03] <boubbin> there arent any info conserning xubuntu..
[09:03] <boubbin> !compiz
[09:03] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - help in #compiz-fusion
[09:08] <somerville32> boubbin, You'll have to navigate your way yourself
[09:08] <somerville32> However, people do it all the time
[09:09] <somerville32> Best bet is to attempt to follow ubuntu's guide
[09:58] <newbie23> hi there :-)
[09:58] <newbie23> can somebody please tell me:
[09:58] <newbie23> a. how I change the resolution of the terminal which is 80x25 to something like 132xxx using no gui
[09:58] <newbie23> b. is it possible to add more consoles as it is under suse using ALT-1 to ALT-6
[09:58] <newbie23> thanx
[10:00] <somerville32> press ctrl+alt F#
[10:01] <somerville32> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:02] <newbie23> I dont use a xserver
[10:02] <somerville32> Oh
[10:03] <somerville32> Are you using the server install?
[10:06] <newbie23> Yupp
[10:07] <somerville32> Please see #ubuntu-server :)
[10:08] <newbie23> okay thanx
[10:57] <AlexC> How do i access a thumb drive on a command only system?
[11:00]  * AlexC needs to access his flash drive
[11:05] <bloony> hum.. how do I make a item on the panel allign on the right side of the panel?
[11:07] <somerville32> bloony, Use a spacer and than edit it and click expand
[11:07] <bloony> hum
[11:07] <somerville32> AlexC, Is there any specific reason you came to #xubuntu for server support?
[11:07] <bloony> somerville32: thx
[11:08] <CyberMad> how to install openoffice on xubuntu?
[11:08] <CyberMad> i tried apt-cache search xubuntu but can not find it
[11:09] <somerville32> CyberMad, Install the openoffice.org package
[11:10] <somerville32> bloony, np
[11:12] <CyberMad> apt-get install openoffice.org ?
[11:12] <somerville32> yes.
[11:12] <somerville32> Although I dunno why you don't use the add/remove in Applications > System
[11:12] <CyberMad> E: Package openoffice.org has no installation cndidate :(
[11:12] <CyberMad> hehe sorry i'm new
[11:13] <CyberMad> :)
[11:13] <CyberMad> just a second.. i try you suggestion
[11:26] <bloony> can I turn of nautilus so its automaticaly uses thunar?
[11:29] <somerville32> bloony, Yes.
[11:29] <somerville32> Look in Applications > Setting manager
[11:30] <bloony> hum
[11:32] <bloony> and where?
[11:32] <bloony> cant find it in file manager
[11:33] <bloony> somerville32:
[11:35] <somerville32> Sorry
[11:35] <somerville32> time for bed
[11:35] <bloony> k
[11:36] <bloony> sleept tight
[11:39] <platz08> Hi, i think it's not normal when apt-get causes ~60% CPU load just after boot (started by anachron)
[11:44] <platz08> what might apt be doing?
[11:44] <platz08> downloading updates?
[11:44] <platz08> but why does it cause that hight load then
[11:45] <platz08> and even if it installed them now this wouldn't last that long, would it?
[11:45] <platz08> it already appered yesterday
[11:45] <jsg> im trying to install xubuntu on an intel pentium III, only has 700 MHz processor. im having trouble booting the xubuntu cd, when it has completed 'Loading the Linux Kernel', it freezes and nothing happens. any ideas?
[11:46] <platz08> are you using the alternative cd?
[11:47] <jsg> platz08 , ive tried both the pc x86 and  the amd64 cds, both have the same problem
[11:47] <totalnancy> no the alternative i386 cd :}
[11:47] <platz08> the amd64 cd bots on an P3?
[11:47] <platz08> +o
[11:48] <jsg> oh, do you think it will make a difference, if other do are doing the same things?
[11:48] <jsg> *two
[11:48] <platz08> well, the desktop one needs at least 256MB of ram
[11:48] <platz08> this is the live cd
[11:48] <totalnancy> !alternative
[11:48] <ubotu> The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD - See also !Minimal
[11:49] <platz08> the alternative one has a textmode installer that even worked on my P2 with 64MB ;)
[11:49] <jsg> textmode, interesting,k ill try that
[11:49] <jsg> thanx
[11:50] <platz08> so back to my problem ;) what do you think could cause apt-get running wild?
[11:51] <platz08> the machines here are turned off every afternoon by simple cutting of the power - not a nice method imo
[11:51] <platz08> but could these have caused an amok apt?
[11:53] <totalnancy> i wouldn't know
[11:53] <totalnancy> but why are they turned off by cutting of the power?
[11:53] <platz08> so do you think i could damage the system by simly killing it?
[11:53] <totalnancy> also i won't know if it's normal
[11:54] <platz08> this is a good questions
[11:54] <platz08> very lazy adnmins
[11:54] <totalnancy> gods
[12:20] <toot> today i am going to try this system can some one tell me the disavantges for this sys
[12:20] <toot> i also have 256 ram
[12:20] <toot> and i got pentium 3
[12:21] <toot> do u think it is going to work in my computer
[12:21] <toot> any one
[12:23] <toot> ok at leat i know where to ask
[12:23] <toot> least
[12:47] <nikolam> hi
[12:48] <nikolam> I have processes that I cant kill with sudo kill -9 pid
[12:48] <nikolam> My CPU meter shows 100% cpu use
[12:48] <nikolam> But I dont see any such process with 100% in top.
[12:49] <nikolam> Processes that I cant kill are testdisk, gam_server and thunar
[12:53] <ader10> Hey, is there a way I can make the buttons of the mpd client plugin for the panel
[13:22] <returnCode> hallo guru
[13:23] <returnCode> how can I install a new icon theme on xubuntu
[13:23] <returnCode> nobody can help me?
[13:31] <daurnimator> hi all
[13:31] <pshr> hello
[13:31] <daurnimator> Just booted xubuntu in a vm
[13:32] <daurnimator> looks nice
[13:32] <daurnimator> thinking I may have found a home for a bit
[13:32] <pshr> :)
[13:33] <daurnimator> first time I've use xfce
[13:33] <daurnimator> and its not bad at all :)
[13:37] <pshr> yup, its sweet
[13:37] <pshr> rox is nice aswell
[13:39] <daurnimator> I've never liked rox actually
[13:39] <daurnimator> I can survive though
[13:39] <VSpike> Should the feisty installer be able to resize ntfs partitions?
[13:41] <pshr> yup
[13:41] <daurnimator> now I need to install a new hard drive
[13:41] <daurnimator> be back soon
[13:42] <pshr> tbh i rather would fix the partion u want feisty on before u install, then just manuell fix the / and swap
[13:43] <VSpike> pshr: it doesnt seem to offer me the option anywhere obvious.. are vista drives different?
[13:43] <pshr> never dualed with vista
[13:43] <VSpike> pshr: how would i resise the partition without using the installer? I dont think there's a tool in windows
[13:44] <TheSheep> VSpike: gparted
[13:44] <TheSheep> VSpike: for linux
[13:45] <TheSheep> VSpike: and there are tools like partition magick for windows
[13:45] <VSpike> TheSheep: ah, i thought the partition part of the installer *was* gparted, i must admit
[13:48] <VSpike> Hmm I guess with no way to backup the data I probably shouldnt risk it anyway
[13:48] <pshr> u got 1 big systemdisk ?
[13:48] <VSpike> Was just sitting in an airport with time to kill and a work laptop + xubuntu 7.04 live CD :)
[13:48] <pshr> ahh hehe
[13:48] <VSpike> pshr: about 80G
[13:49] <VSpike> AFAIK the resize can't be considered 100% safe.. especially with Vista probably
[13:49] <VSpike> also should consider the fact that my time or the battery may run out before completion :)
[13:50] <pshr> i wouldnt do it :)
[13:50] <VSpike> Nah, I think you're right
[13:50] <pshr> always a risk u will fuck up vista
[13:50] <VSpike> Will just content myself with playing with the live CD
[13:50] <pshr> and if you got work related stuff on it etc etc
[13:50] <pshr> hehe
[13:51] <VSpike> Well, I'm going to do a clean XP install when i get back anyway so losing Vista would not be too bad but losing the data would hurt
[13:51] <VSpike> Go no blank CDR to backup or anything
[13:51] <VSpike> How's experience with gutsy here so far?
[13:52] <VSpike> I upgraded my main machine which runs Kubuntu before i left on this trip, and it was not painless
[13:52] <pshr> my upgrade went without a hitch lol
[13:52] <pshr> was surprised to say the least
[13:53] <VSpike> Also just suffered a complete corruption of the system parition while I was away - was fun trying to fix that from 10,000 miles away with only an impatient and non-techie wife as an assistant at the machine
[13:53] <VSpike> Managed to get it back, but will probably do a clean install when i get home because it was really messed up
[13:54] <VSpike> A couple of people in #ubuntu advised me to avoid gutsy and install fiesty again
[13:54] <VSpike> Suprised me a bit
[13:55] <pshr> alot of ppl had problems with gutsy
[13:55] <ablomen> really?
[13:55] <ablomen> gutsy runs great on my machines
[13:55] <VSpike> it's hard to say because reviews tend to be positive by nature, and if you search the forums, you find lots of problems, which is also expected because ppl go there to solve problems
[13:56] <VSpike> so it's hard to get an objective view
[13:56] <pshr> just skimmed thru various forum threads tho
[13:56] <pshr> yea, no problem here either
[13:56] <ablomen> i know ati drivers are fudged up for some cards
[13:56] <ablomen> but with nvidia there is no problem
[13:56] <pshr> id say xubuntu gg is abit faster
[13:57] <VSpike> Upgrade rendered my machine unbootable.. it screwed up the kernels and the new kernel would not see my sata drives
[13:57] <VSpike> also lost sound, skype, display driver, and a few other things
[13:57] <ablomen> ouch
[13:57] <pshr> damn hehe
[13:57] <VSpike> yeah :)
[13:57] <ablomen> pshr, yep it is
[13:57] <VSpike> still, was educational fixing the problems
[13:58] <ablomen> ubuntu gutsy is faster too btw
[13:58] <VSpike> you need to be philosophical about these things i guess.  what doesn't kill you makes you stronger and all that
[13:58] <VSpike> yeah once running, it seemed smoother and faster
[13:58] <ablomen> VSpike, lol
[13:59] <VSpike> also upgrades are always likely to be more problematic, esp if you don't leave your install totally virginal
[13:59] <ablomen> only problem here is that the new gedit saves its files 700, witch sucks with apache etc
[13:59] <ablomen> VSpike, my dad actually had a great upgrade, not one problem
[14:00] <ablomen> but yeah that was all original repos etc
[14:00] <VSpike> This  disk corruption is a worry.  It occurred after a power cut, but normally that shouldnt be a problem.  smart and badblocks find no problems. So wondering if it's a subtle hardware problem, "just one of those things", or related to the kernel somehow
[14:02] <VSpike> I'd like to spend some time playing with xubuntu now that ive got used to linux running kubuntu.  Always liked resurrecting old hardware, and also quite like a leaner desktop
[14:04] <VSpike> Is there any equivalent of katapult for xfce?
[14:04] <VSpike> It's a killer app for kde
[14:05] <VSpike> Having to use this windows work laptop is painful enough, but i keep hitting alt-space to start things.
[14:05] <VSpike> Oh, and the vista start menu is loathsome btw
[14:05] <pshr> katapult ?
[14:05] <pshr> no idea what that is
[14:07] <VSpike> It indexes applications in the start menu, as well as documents, bookmarks, music, video, etc.  Then you hit alt-space or whatever your hotkey is to pop it up and just type the first 2 or 3 letters of what you want and hit enter
[14:07] <pshr> ah ok
[14:07] <VSpike> I also has a built in spell checker and calculator.  tbh though I just use it for starting applications
[14:07] <ablomen> VSpike, you can try the deskbar applet
[14:07] <ablomen> its gnome but you can run it in xfce too
[14:07] <VSpike> It indexes their descriptive names as well as the file anme
[14:07] <ablomen> not quite as advanced as katapult looks
[14:08] <pshr> well, fix key shortcuts, ctrl+alt+z gives you firefox
[14:08] <pshr> etc etc
[14:08] <ablomen> but still a nice applet
[14:09] <VSpike> ablomen: i'll look into it - have not really used gnome much.  last time i tried, it would not run on my system.  Although gutsy upgrade appears to have fixed that :)
[14:09] <ablomen> :)
[14:09] <VSpike> running the xubuntu live cd on this system makes vista look steam powered
[14:09] <ablomen> xfce4-xfapplet-plugin << youll need to install that too btw
[14:10] <ablomen> lol
[14:17] <VSpike> right - 4% battery time to go
[14:17] <VSpike> thanks for passing the time !
[14:17] <VSpike> take care
[14:17] <ablomen> later
[14:25] <daurnimator> re, and with a new hdd attached! :)
[14:37] <daurnimator> how big a space do I need to install xubuntu with lots of options + more later down the track
[14:37] <daurnimator> and how should I be partitioned?
[14:38] <ablomen> darrend, i always do something like / ext3 20gb /home ext3 rest_of_disk_space
[14:38] <ablomen> thats a really safe approach
[14:39] <ablomen> oh and 2x memmory size for swap
[14:40] <daurnimator> well
[14:40] <ablomen> but you could make / half of that
[14:40] <daurnimator> I have various sized hdds here
[14:40] <daurnimator> So....
[14:40] <daurnimator> probably go the smallest then
[14:40] <ablomen> and you want to use all the disk?
[14:40] <daurnimator> unless you have a better idea? :P
[14:40] <ablomen> lol
[14:40] <daurnimator> (120gb) - 111gb formatted. 4gb swap
[14:41] <daurnimator> thats 107gb left to play with
[14:41] <ablomen> id use a seperate home partition if i where you
[14:41] <daurnimator> 40/67?
[14:41] <daurnimator> or will I never be getting >20 on /?
[14:42] <ablomen> not unless you do something really strange, or make it a server
[14:42] <daurnimator> Well... wtf do I do with 87gb of /home
[14:43] <ablomen> well save data and stuff ;)
[14:43] <ablomen> believe me, youll get trough it, i think i have about 200gb's in my home folder at home, and about 60 here at work
[14:43] <daurnimator> wtf is in it?
[14:44] <ablomen> my tbird inbox already exceeds 5 gb
[14:44] <daurnimator> I have other drives for music, video, torrents etc
[14:44] <ablomen> then you have music, images, backups etc
[14:44] <ablomen> ah
[14:44] <daurnimator> only thing I'll have on it is .... uh.... settings
[14:47] <ablomen> hmm yeah
[14:47] <ablomen> then you dont really need 67gb :P
[15:08] <mahone_> Goodmorning everybody, I have a problem running a script in Xubuntu 7.10....
[15:09] <mahone_> Goodmorning everybody, I have a problem running a script in Xubuntu 7.10....
[15:12] <nanonyme> might want to start again with the relevant information
[15:14] <mahone_> Oh, sorry, I had problems with GuardDog...
[15:14] <mahone_> I though the message hadn't arrived...
[15:14] <mahone_> Because some protocols were blocked...
[15:15] <mahone_> Anyway, I want to run a script to execute Azureus (BitTorrent client/server). I have installed it not with APT, but directly uncompressing the latest .tar.gz package (the version currently in Xubuntu repos isn't the latest)
[15:16] <mahone_> The script is in /opt/azureus, and is called 'azureus'
[15:16] <mahone_> If I run it through the Terminal, opening a Terminal, and typing 'cd /opt/azureus; ./azureus', everything works...
[15:17] <mahone_> But if I want to create a Program Launcher on the desktop panel, and specify as the command '/opt/azureus/azureus', it doesn't start anything...
[15:18] <mahone_> I've also tried using 'sh /opt/azureus/azureus', but nothing...
[15:20] <mahone_> One thing I noticed is that executing 'sh /opt/azureus/azureus' in the Terminal gives me the error '56: sintax error: "(" unexpected (expecting "done")
[15:21] <mahone_> What could the reason be for this?
[16:14] <Newo> Hi
[16:16] <Newo> I was wondering if someone could help me, because I have no idea what I am doing
[16:16] <TheSheep> !ask | Newo
[16:16] <ubotu> Newo: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[16:17] <Woodruff_> is around 256 mb of swap partition is enough or will the system benefit much if i make it larger?
[16:17] <TheSheep> Woodruff_: how much ram do you have?
[16:17] <Woodruff_> i have 512 MB
[16:18] <Woodruff_> thats another problem i have btw
[16:18] <TheSheep> Woodruff_: oh?
[16:18] <Newo> I have installed Xubuntu (or at least I think I have, it appears to have the xubuntu loading screen) and it gets to the terminal and then I am stumped
[16:19] <Woodruff_> Well i have 1 Gig of memory but xubuntu only recognize 512 for some reason
[16:19] <TheSheep> Woodruff_: other systems see more?
[16:20] <Woodruff_> nope
[16:20] <Woodruff_> xp see the same
[16:20] <TheSheep> Woodruff_: seems like a hardware problem
[16:21] <Woodruff_> yeah thought so too , so TheSheep you think the 256 Swap dir is enough?
[16:21] <TheSheep> Woodruff_: I use 1GB
[16:21] <TheSheep> Woodruff_: the rule of thumb is 2xRAM
[16:23] <TheSheep> Newo: looks like it didn't install properly
[16:23] <Newo> Xubuntu is stuck on the terminal and is refusing to boot to the GUI, I was wondering what to do.
[16:23] <Newo> I'll try reinstalling it
[16:23] <TheSheep> Newo: can you log in in text mode?
[16:23] <Newo> It is the first boot
[16:23] <Newo> So, I am not sure
[16:24] <Woodruff_> can i use the GParted to add Swap partitions?
[16:25] <Newo> My good old Ubuntu 5.04 didn't do this, I may reinstall it :P
[16:25] <Woodruff_> Do i just need to format another GB for "linux-swap" and thats it?
[16:25] <Woodruff_> or i need to define something somewhere
[16:26] <Newo> I may be back for help later...
[16:27] <TheSheep> Woodruff_: just formatting it should be enough
[16:27] <TheSheep> Woodruff_: you might need to add it to fstab
[16:28] <TheSheep> !fstab | Woodruff_
[16:28] <ubotu> Woodruff_: The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[16:28] <Woodruff_> Thanks TheSheep
[16:38] <Woodruff_> humm if i have an unformatted partition of around 30GB how do i allocate 1 GB of it to Swap?
[16:38] <Woodruff_> i cant seems to be able to format only part of it
[16:38] <Woodruff_> or make a new partition
[16:39] <Woodruff_> and i cant delete it
[16:40] <Woodruff_> says "Please unmount any logical partition having a number higher then 5"
[16:43] <TheSheep> Woodruff_: boot from the livecd
[16:44] <TheSheep> Woodruff_: messing with partitions on a running system may be a bad idea
[16:45] <Woodruff_> its a partition not being used
[16:45] <Woodruff_> its not even formatted
[16:45] <Woodruff_> i see only 3 GB on my / partition
[16:52] <mahone> How can I make a certain command to be executed everytime the system boots?
[16:52] <TheSheep> mahone: put it in /etc/rc.local
[16:53] <mahone> OK. And how can I make the system not launching X (headless system)?
[16:54] <TheSheep> mahone: disable gdm in default runlevel
[16:55] <mahone> Should I delete she S* and K* scripts?
[16:55] <TheSheep> mahone: no
[16:55] <TheSheep> mahone: just rename the Sxx ones to Kxxx
[16:55] <TheSheep> mahone: S means start in this runlevel, K means stop
[16:56] <mahone> OK, so for example S10GDM becomes....K..what?
[16:56] <TheSheep> K10GDM
[16:57] <TheSheep> mahone: or install sysv-rc-conf and do it with it
[16:57] <TheSheep> mahone: it's a simple program that will display you a menu and do it for you
[17:03] <mahone> OK, thanks. Why does Ubuntu uses 2 as default runlevel, and not 5?
[17:10] <TheSheep> mahone: because it inherits from debian, which hass all the 2-5 runlevels the same anyways
[17:10] <mahone> TheSheep: I understand. Anyway, thanks for the tips
[17:39] <snerfu> is there a way to get a list of packages that came with gutsy xubuntu so I can diff it against my current package list and remove things I don't need anymore?
[17:51] <zoredache> snerfu: you could do a quick install inside a vmware
[18:53] <slow-motion> hi
[18:54] <evil_tech> hola
[19:01] <NinjaChocobo> Hi, I'm having some trouble installing Xubuntu on an old Toshiba Satellite laptop.
[19:05] <evil_tech> what seems to be the prob
[19:06] <NinjaChocobo> Well, I boot it up, and select 'text installer' or something (from CD). Then when it comes to the "Detect and mount CD-ROM" step, it doesn't recognise the CD drive.
[19:07] <NinjaChocobo> Instead, it asks me for drivers on a floppy (which I don't have), or to select a module from a list (which I don't understand).
[19:08] <evil_tech> ooh ive gottent hat before
[19:08] <evil_tech> is it in a docking station?
[19:09] <NinjaChocobo> No...I don't think I have one of those.
[19:09] <evil_tech> is it an external cd?
[19:09] <NinjaChocobo> Nope.
[19:09] <evil_tech> hmm
[19:10] <evil_tech> what happens if you ignore the asking for modules and continue the installation
[19:10] <evil_tech> ?
[19:10] <NinjaChocobo> It says the step failed, and asks me to select a different step from a menu
[19:10] <evil_tech> bollocks
[19:11] <evil_tech> *thinking
[19:13] <evil_tech> i really need to start writing my own documentation for fixing things like this cause my memory sucks
[19:13] <NinjaChocobo> Heh...
[19:14] <evil_tech> well there are all the ways to install without a cdrom
[19:14] <evil_tech> net install, installing from Damn Small Linux
[19:15] <NinjaChocobo> Net install?
[19:16] <evil_tech> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2068
[19:17] <evil_tech> i think what i ended up doing was booting DSL to find out information on what controllers were in the computer, found modules for each loaded them at that prompt and eventually got it to work
[19:17] <evil_tech> it was a long process and a pain in the @$$ but i had no clue what i was doing
[19:17] <NinjaChocobo> :/
[19:18] <NinjaChocobo> I don't have an FTP or HTTP server, will this computer work?
[19:18] <evil_tech> i think you can make a temp onr on a machine
[19:18] <evil_tech> you can install from windows now appartently
[19:19] <evil_tech> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromWindows
[19:20] <evil_tech> i've tried the loadlin approach in the past to get linux to boot from usb drive on a computer with only a floppy and hard drive
[19:20] <NinjaChocobo> I don't have Windows on it.
[19:20] <evil_tech> what are the specs?
[19:20] <evil_tech> of the laptop
[19:21] <NinjaChocobo> Not sure about the CPU, but it's got 128 MB of RAM
[19:21] <NinjaChocobo> (I'm using the alternate installer)
[19:22] <evil_tech> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=4062
[19:22] <evil_tech> that is a little closer to the actual problem
[19:26] <NinjaChocobo> Problem:
[19:26] <NinjaChocobo> There
[19:27] <NinjaChocobo> *There's no HTTP or FTP instll button.
[19:27] <evil_tech> button?
[19:28] <NinjaChocobo> Option, I meant.
[19:28] <evil_tech> have a usb cdrom?
[19:29] <DaBeowulf> Do you know about a bug where booting from the Live CD has the mouse pointer rendering not updated and the only visible clue to where it's at is buttons highlighting?
[19:29] <NinjaChocobo> Afraid not.
[19:30] <evil_tech> hmmm......
[19:31] <evil_tech> i know there is some way to get the cd working that is really easy and im overthinking this
[19:33] <rici> is there some simple instruction for how to install open type fonts into xubuntu?
[19:33] <rici> i just want to install the styx fonts
[19:43] <quittt> how do I change on boot from Ubuntu to XUbuntu?
[19:44] <quittt> (I want it to stay even when it is updated!!)
[19:44] <ader10-afk> sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop
[19:44] <quittt> ader10-afk, done! I mean on boot manager
[19:44] <quittt> ader10-afk, on GRUB
[19:44] <totalnancy> you still load the same kernel
[19:44] <totalnancy> just log out of your ubuntu session
[19:45] <totalnancy> you'll see gdm or something
[19:45] <totalnancy> change session
[19:45] <quittt> totalnancy, it is not the session
[19:45] <quittt> it is on GRUB, the boot manager
[19:45] <totalnancy> it isn't :]
[19:45] <quittt> it is "Ubuntu", not XUbuntu
[19:45] <totalnancy> you'll have to ignore what grub says
[19:46] <quittt> grub is on the boot... it is NOT GDM
[19:46] <quittt> GDM has nothing to do with GRUB
[19:46] <totalnancy> grub just loads your kernel, and that is the same one for xfce or gnome
[19:46] <ader10-afk> quittt: sudo mousepad /boot/grub/menu.lst
[19:46] <totalnancy> gahh
[19:46] <quittt> totalnancy, I know it! But the name there is Ubuntu
[19:46] <ader10-afk> quittt: near the bottom you can change the 'Ubuntu's to 'Xubuntu
[19:47] <quittt> but it is not Ubuntu, it is XUbuntu
[19:47] <evil_tech> well if heinstalled it on two seperate partitions then grub will list both
[19:47] <ader10-afk> quittt: Did you see what I said?
[19:47] <evil_tech> thats what i did. i have Fluxbuntu installed on one partition, Xubuntu on another and Ubuntu on another
[19:48] <ader10-afk> evil_tech: why not just have them all on the same partition?
[19:48] <ader10-afk> evil_tech: just switch the session on login
[19:48] <evil_tech> management of files
[19:48] <ader10-afk> ?
[19:49] <evil_tech> i use different programs in each. and i fiddle with things alot so if i break something and want to fix i just wipe that partition
[19:49] <quittt> ader10-afk, will it stay when I update to the next kernel next time?
[19:49] <ader10-afk> quittt: only if you save
[19:49] <evil_tech> upgrading will not mess with grub other than giving you the option to boot the old kernel
[19:49] <quittt> ader10-afk, I changed it
[19:50] <ader10-afk> quittt: If you want to reboot now to check I'll be here I think
[19:51] <quittt> damn!
[19:51] <quittt> I do update-grub
[19:51] <quittt> and it changes XUbuntu to Ubuntu again!!
[19:51] <quittt> there is another configuration
[19:51] <ader10-afk> Not that I know of
[19:52] <ader10-afk> try running (without the quotes) "man update-grub"
[19:52] <ader10-afk> or ask for help in a grub channel
[20:02] <quittt> who uses XUbuntu have on GRUB Ubuntu or XUbuntu?
[20:03] <totalwormage> ubuntu
[20:03] <DaBeowulf> I once had Xubuntu and Win on it.. :P
[20:03] <quittt> totalwormage, true?
[20:03] <totalwormage> i keep telling you :]
[20:03] <quittt> oh
[20:03] <quittt> so forget it
[20:03] <quittt> haha
[20:03] <quittt> =]
[20:03] <totalwormage> :P
[20:03] <quittt> another thing... how do I make XFCE don't keep saving sessions?
[20:04] <DaBeowulf> But if you have either Ubuntu or Xubuntu why install the other and if so why give it a whole new partition and have redundant files..
[20:04] <quittt> when I boot it, it always open applications that I don't want to... that I was using when I turned it off
[20:05] <evil_tech> you have to tell it not to save your session when you log off
[20:23] <pcrtech> test testy
[20:23] <totalwormage> pong
[20:24] <pcrtech> yay it worked
[20:25] <evil_tech> i rather like irssi
[20:25] <totalwormage> good
[20:25] <totalwormage> welcome to the family
[20:26] <totalwormage> the irssi crew rejected my irssi logo >_<
[20:26] <evil_tech> :)
[20:28] <evil_tech> how do i close windows?
[20:28] <totalwormage> /window close
[20:28] <evil_tech> makes sense
[20:29] <somerville32> Is anyone using dapper?
[20:29] <k^^> or /wc in irrsi
[20:32] <NinjaChocobo> Hey, do any of you know how to get Xubuntu to recognise my CD drive?
[20:35] <NinjaChocobo> Evidently not...*sigh*. Looks like I'll have to use Windows ME.
[20:35] <evil_tech> NO!!!
[20:35] <evil_tech> no ME
[20:36] <evil_tech> boot a different version of linux but dont use windows ME
[20:36] <NinjaChocobo> I am all too aware of how much ME sucks proverbial ass.
[20:36] <evil_tech> though you could theoretically install xubuntu from windows me
[20:36] <evil_tech> i think
[20:36] <TheSheep> NinjaChocobo: it should just see the drive without any need to do anything extra
[20:36] <NinjaChocobo> It should.
[20:36] <TheSheep> NinjaChocobo: is your cd drive special?
[20:36] <NinjaChocobo> But it does not.
[20:36] <NinjaChocobo> Not that I know of.
[20:37] <evil_tech> its in a laptop. is it hot swappable?
[20:37] <NinjaChocobo> Hot swappable?
[20:37] <evil_tech> can you easily remove the drive and put say a floppy drive in its place
[20:37] <evil_tech> or a battery?
[20:37] <NinjaChocobo> Nope.
[20:37] <evil_tech> hmm
[20:38] <evil_tech> You could try using the Live CD and see if that will boot and install from there
[20:38] <NinjaChocobo> I doubt it...
[20:38] <evil_tech> ive had the live cd work when the alternate cd wouldnt
[20:38] <NinjaChocobo> It doesn't have the required 192 MB of RAM.
[20:38] <evil_tech> well that wont work
[20:39] <evil_tech> well it might but very very slowly
[20:39] <NinjaChocobo> It won'
[20:39] <NinjaChocobo> t
[20:39] <NinjaChocobo> I tried using the Ubuntu live CD (requires same amount of RAM), and it didn't word.
[20:39] <evil_tech> you could try DSL or installing from knoppix
[20:39] <NinjaChocobo> *work
[20:40] <NinjaChocobo> How would I do that?
[20:40] <evil_tech> run DSL or install from KNOPPIX?
[20:41] <NinjaChocobo> Both. Got a link?
[20:41] <evil_tech> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromKnoppix
[20:41] <evil_tech> thats to install from KNOPPIX
[20:41] <evil_tech> and here is Damn Small Linux (aka DSL)http://damnsmalllinux.org/
[20:42] <NinjaChocobo> Oh, THAT DSL.
[20:42] <evil_tech> yeah
[20:42] <evil_tech> ive heard that you can do the knoppix install in DSL too
[20:43] <evil_tech> cant find the article right now though
[20:43] <NinjaChocobo> Thanks anyway.
[20:43] <NinjaChocobo> There's a lot of stuff I can try now, which is good.
[20:48] <NinjaChocobo> Actually...
[20:49] <NinjaChocobo> Do I need much technical knowledge to run DSL? Because I think that would work better.
[20:50] <evil_tech> well what are you doing with the laptop?
[20:52] <NinjaChocobo> Mostly word processing and PDF viewing.
[20:53] <evil_tech> then DSL will work.
[20:54] <NinjaChocobo> Cool. If I can't get Xubuntu to work I'll use it.
[20:54] <NinjaChocobo> Thanks a lot for your help.
[20:56] <evil_tech> anything but WinME. be better off installing DOS than running that piece of garbage
[20:56] <evil_tech> ah hes gone
[20:58] <evil_tech> can i use dd to copy over 5 1/4 floppies to 3 1/2 inch floppies
[20:58] <evil_tech> ?
[21:18] <ir4d0m> Yo guys
[21:18] <vinze> Hey ir4d0m
[21:18] <ir4d0m> i need help.. trying to find a program that will umm well a tool that is like an auto typer? u know something will crack aim passwords?
[21:18] <ir4d0m> lol hey vinze =P
[21:19] <vinze> Crack AIM passwords? Why would you want to do that?
[21:19] <ir4d0m> vinze u should know me by now... i got to many things going on.. well my friend like wants his old aim name 4C0RN but he doesnt know anything to get his forgot password thingys
[21:20] <ir4d0m> so he wants me to try and get into it
[21:20] <somerville32> ir4d0m, aim has a password recovery system
[21:20] <somerville32> ir4d0m, Use that.
[21:20] <vinze> ir4d0m, I don't recognise your username.... Anyway, doesn't AIM offer some kind of "Forgot password?" button?
[21:21] <ir4d0m> yeah it does but he doesnt know his info or old email anything
[21:21] <ir4d0m> lol vinze i saw u here 2 weeks ago.. had tor problems?
[21:21] <somerville32> ir4d0m, Than e-mail support
[21:21] <somerville32> ir4d0m, See if they can help you.
[21:21] <vinze> ir4d0m, nope, can't recall...
[21:22] <ir4d0m> lol but u guys DONT KNOW ANYTHING that will crack passwords?
[21:22] <vinze> Not AIM passwords :P
[21:22] <vinze> I only have experience with WEP keys ;-)
[21:22] <ir4d0m> lol what program vinze?
[21:23]  * somerville32 coughs.
[21:23] <vinze> ir4d0m, aircrack-ng + airoscript (only for educational purposes, of course...)
[21:23] <somerville32> This discussion is not appropriate at all for this channel at all.
[21:23] <ir4d0m> ok vinze
[21:23] <ir4d0m> thx
[21:24] <ir4d0m> lol sry somerville
[22:10] <ir4d0m> I NEED TO DOWNLOAD SHRED.... any help?
[22:10] <ir4d0m> i dont know where to start
[22:10] <somerville32> What is shred?
[22:10] <ir4d0m> im going to sell my old laptop
[22:10] <vinze> ir4d0m, isn't shred installed by default?
[22:10] <vinze> It was for me
[22:10] <ir4d0m> but i have old things that i dont want people to use
[22:10] <ir4d0m> Yo vinze... how can i access it then?
[22:11] <vinze> ir4d0m, it's a terminal applications, "shred <document_to_shred>" I believe
[22:11] <ir4d0m> 0.os
[22:11] <ir4d0m> nice
[22:11] <somerville32> yea
[22:11] <somerville32> shred is installed by default
[22:11] <ir4d0m> can i erase entire hard drives?
[22:11] <ir4d0m> or would i do better just reinstalling linux
[22:11] <vinze> I guess so
[22:12] <evil_tech> why not use DBAN
[22:12] <vinze> Perhaps, in your root account, "shred ./*", but that would probably cause problems :P
[22:12] <ir4d0m> whats Dban?
[22:12] <evil_tech> Dariks Boot and Nuke
[22:12] <ir4d0m> lol vinze.. if i do that.. could i reinstall Linux
[22:12] <vinze> ir4d0m, I guess so
[22:12] <evil_tech> has a variety of hard drive data destroying fun
[22:12] <vinze> But I think your system would crash before the shredding is completed
[22:13] <somerville32> Your bios most likely has a low-level format option
[22:19] <ir4d0m> so if i do it i could mess myself up
[22:19] <ir4d0m> im going to do it
[22:20] <evil_tech> nuke away
[22:21] <ir4d0m> nuke?
[22:21] <ir4d0m> u mean if i do it... my computer will crash... then i can reinstall linux?
[22:21] <TheSheep> you could boot from the livecd and shred the disk
[22:22] <ir4d0m> ok
[22:22] <ir4d0m> good but could anything get pulled up through file grave or something like that
[22:23] <evil_tech> if you just do a standard format yes
[22:23] <evil_tech> you need something that is going to write 0's over the entire disk a bunch of times.
[22:24] <evil_tech> DBAN, killdisc, manufacter of the hard disc or even the BIOS have a low level format that pretty much does that
[22:25] <ir4d0m> dang
[22:25] <evil_tech> i use DBAN here in my shop to nuke discs. only the NSA could get stuff off of them when im done >:D
[22:25] <ir4d0m> umm how can i get dban?
[22:25] <evil_tech> download it off sourceforge
[22:26] <evil_tech> google dariks boot and nuke
[22:26] <ir4d0m> i dont know where it is.. link?
[22:26] <ir4d0m> ok
[22:29] <evil_tech> dban.sourceforge.net
[22:31] <zoredache> dban is a bit overly paranoid...  Can you point at any 'real' application that restore something from a drive after you did a simple dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/drive  ?
[22:31] <evil_tech> yeah i had one in the military :)
[22:32] <slow-motion> n8
[22:32] <evil_tech> so no your average joe cant get your data back
[22:33] <zoredache> you had something that could restore from a basic format, or a complete single pass of writing zeros?
[22:33] <evil_tech> it could restore anything not zeroed out at least 10 times
[22:33] <ir4d0m> i need somethign that will erase everything but still let me install linux
[22:34] <ir4d0m> yo Evil_tech about how big is that file u told me to download
[22:34] <zoredache> dban fits on a floppy
[22:34] <evil_tech> yeah it fits on a floppy
[22:35] <returnCode> hallo everibody
[22:35] <zoredache> evil_tech: I don't believe it evil_tech...
[22:35] <ader10> How do I get the keys along the top of my keyboard to function? (the mute key, the volume up/down keys, the calculator key, etc)
[22:35] <ir4d0m> yo evil_tech.. umm ima run it
[22:35] <ir4d0m> but what do i do? just plug it
[22:36] <returnCode> how I install them on xubuntu
[22:36] <evil_tech> well im going off what the military intelligence guys said it could do. ive seen it get stuff back after a BIOS supposedly low level formatted it
[22:36] <returnCode> themes icons
[22:36] <ir4d0m> so what? just restart my compputer and press f12 and run it? or just plug it back in and watch it run
[22:37] <evil_tech> just boot from floppy and follow the prompts
[22:37] <ir4d0m> i put it on a cd?
[22:37] <evil_tech> boot from cd and follow the prompts
[22:37] <ir4d0m> ok
[22:37] <ir4d0m> lol
[22:37] <evil_tech> screens are the same no matter the media
[22:38] <zoredache> if you downloaded the iso image you need to write an iso... if you downloaded the floppy image you need to create a boot floppy
[22:38] <evil_tech> i recommend not doing autonuke if there are other drives in the computer
[22:39] <ir4d0m> lol i downloaded a iso. and then i burned an iso image using gnome baker
[22:39] <ir4d0m> i just plugged it in about a min ago.. and it aint doing anything
[22:40] <ader10> I'm being ignored again...
[22:40] <evil_tech> pfft thats what i get for believing military intelligence. that program doesnt exist. according to my friend it cant recover anything that has been zeroes more than two times
[22:40] <ir4d0m> WHAT???
[22:41] <ir4d0m> U MEAN THE NUKE THINGY? IM TRYING TO ERASE MY HARD DRIVE NOT BRING STUFF BACK
[22:41] <evil_tech> no i was refering to zordache calling my bluff on a different program
[22:41] <ir4d0m> o
[22:42] <ir4d0m> lol
[22:42] <evil_tech> lol
[22:43] <ir4d0m> lol the_sheep
[22:44] <ader10> How do I get the keys along the top of my keyboard to function? (the mute key, the volume up/down keys, the calculator key, etc)
[22:47] <ir4d0m> yo evil_tech.... i burned it and i plugged it in to run it... do i gotta restart my computer? to boot the cd first or what
[22:47] <evil_tech> yes
[22:48] <ader10> You guys can't answer a question I thought was simple... I'm going to #ubuntu for help. It'd be nice if you guys at least _tried_ to help
[22:48] <evil_tech> it doesnt run in the OS becuase it is deleting all those files
[22:48] <ir4d0m> oh so while its plugged in.. it runs silently?
[22:49] <evil_tech> ader10: if no one is answering its because they are 1)busy 2)sleeping and not logged in 3)they dont have an answer for you
[22:49] <TheSheep> ader10: maybe try looking at the wiki or forums
[22:49] <ader10> Why would anyone leave IRC on while they're sleeping? It's not like they're gonna find the person sitting on IRC when they wake up
[22:49] <evil_tech> ir4d0m:the program is going to delete everything off your hard drive. it would be like it was brand new from the factory
[22:50] <evil_tech> so it boots itself off your cd into ram and does its thing
[22:51] <ir4d0m> ok
[22:52] <ir4d0m> it runs silently.. got it... at any point will i lsoe contact w/ u?
[22:52] <evil_tech> if you are on the computer you are erasing the hard drive then yes
[22:53] <ir4d0m> ok
[22:53] <ir4d0m> how long should it take
[22:53] <evil_tech> depends on what options you choose and the size of the drive
[22:55] <evil_tech> you do realise that the computer you run this on will need the OS installed again and none of the data will be recoverable
[22:55] <evil_tech> ?
[22:55] <ader10> How do I get the keys along the top of my keyboard to function? (the mute key, the volume up/down keys, the calculator key, etc)
[22:56] <neur1> hello
[22:56] <evil_tech> ader10:https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InputDevices
[22:56] <somerville32> hi
[22:56] <evil_tech> may help a little
[22:57] <ir4d0m> Yes i do evil_tech..  but also.. when i plugged it in.. nothing popped up...
[22:57] <evil_tech> did you tell it to boot from the cd you burned it to?
[22:59] <ir4d0m> what do u mean Boot? from the cd
[22:59] <ir4d0m> i just plugged it in
[22:59] <evil_tech> plugged what in?
[22:59] <ir4d0m> plugged the cd into the cd drive
[22:59] <ir4d0m> driver*
[23:00] <evil_tech> ok so you burned the DBAN ISO to a CD. Put the CD in the drive, rebooted the computer and told it to boot from that CD?
[23:01] <ir4d0m> no i didnt reboot computer?
[23:01] <ir4d0m> 0.os
[23:01] <ir4d0m> lol i asked that and i didnt get an answer or i wasnt paying attention
[23:01] <evil_tech> you need to reboot and then boot the computer from the CD
[23:03] <ir4d0m> ok
[23:03] <ir4d0m> haha will do
[23:04] <neur1> o.k. when i plug in my pcmcia card sometimes, the system freezes. in the ubuntu docs it says to add a line but i can't open up the file to edit it, i tried gksudo gedit and the path to the file.
[23:05] <evil_tech> try sudo nano pathtofile from a terminal
[23:05] <TheSheep> or gksudo mousepad
[23:06] <neur1> will it open the doc?
[23:06] <evil_tech> should
[23:07] <neur1> o.k. I'll try that thanks
[23:09] <neur1> what's happening when the wireless can find and see the access point, even connects sometimes but the browser is inop?
[23:11] <evil_tech> inop meaning you cant view webpages or inop that it doesnt work at all
[23:12] <neur1> can't view web pages
[23:14] <evil_tech> can you navigate to web pages by IP?
[23:14] <evil_tech> for instance type 72.14.205.104 into your address bar
[23:15] <neur1> hmm , i'll try . . .
[23:17] <evil_tech> hmm my wireless card apparently isnt working in fluxbuntu
[23:21] <neur1> can't get a connection, so don't know
[23:23] <somerville32> What is the command to run X in a window?
[23:24] <bigfuzzyjesus_> somerville32, if you are like on an ssh session
[23:25] <somerville32> yeah
[23:25] <bigfuzzyjesus_> hrmm
[23:25] <bigfuzzyjesus_> maybe ssh name@ip -x appcommand
[23:25] <somerville32> Yeah, that works great
[23:25] <somerville32> but I want it to start the desktop :P
[23:25] <bigfuzzyjesus_> oh
[23:25] <bigfuzzyjesus_> hah
[23:26] <bigfuzzyjesus_> vnc :)
[23:26] <bigfuzzyjesus_> thats what i do for the desktop
[23:26] <somerville32> lets pretend I don't have vnc
[23:26] <somerville32> Infact, lets pretend I'm local
[23:26]  * bigfuzzyjesus_ refers to his linux handbook
[23:26] <somerville32> I know there is a command for this
[23:26] <bigfuzzyjesus_> ahhhh!
[23:26] <bigfuzzyjesus_> i cant find my linux bible
[23:28] <somerville32> sinner :/
[23:28] <evil_tech> i have that same problem
[23:28] <evil_tech> and when i find who has it they will die!!!
[23:29] <bigfuzzyjesus_> i really cant find it
[23:29] <bigfuzzyjesus_> this is going to bug me
[23:30] <evil_tech> neur1: any luck?
[23:30] <bigfuzzyjesus_> wewet
[23:31] <bigfuzzyjesus_> found it
[23:33] <neur1> nope can't get a connection  on the other computer, where problem lies
[23:34] <neur1> but the edit thing worked thanks gotta see if it doesn't freeze any more lol
[23:35] <neur1> using a netgear MA401 in a ibm 600e running xubuntu