[00:00] Nope [00:00] applications > settings > desktop [00:01] And you can disable the menu on right click [00:01] and it'll bring up a context menu [00:02] i just got "[x] show desktop menu on right click" there, which, when i disable that, just brings up no menu at all, and when i enable it brings up my app menu. [00:03] meh. :-) [00:04] it's just so amazing how cool xfce got, last time i tried it is about 6 years ago or so... [00:05] Disable it and click ok [00:05] it should bring up a context menu [00:07] ah. now i get closer to my gnome-settings-daemon problem i think. [00:07] brb, gotta restart X and stuff... [00:07] thanks so far peepz. === luisbg_ is now known as luisbg [01:08] Finding good Xfce4 themes is difficult [04:10] hello all [04:11] Hiya :) [04:11] is it possible to upgrade an old Ubuntu box (Hoary Hedgehog) to Xubuntu? [04:11] my ubuntu box kinda is messed up - no Gnome when it boots [04:11] can only access it via SSH [04:12] lol [04:12] Why not just reinstall? [04:12] I could if I was physically there (i'm remote) [04:12] Okay. [04:13] * somerville32 thinks this will be fun. [04:13] since all the repositories for Hoary are dead [04:13] What are that stats on the machine? [04:13] How much ram? [04:13] How much diskspace? [04:13] What is the cpu speed? [04:13] so there's no magic "apt-get upgrade to XUbuntu command [04:13] There is [04:13] lol [04:14] Dell box PII_266Mhz, 512MB RAM, 160GB HD space on ATA-133 PCI card, dual NICs [04:14] Perfect. [04:14] I think we could upgrade you to Gutsy if you'd like [04:15] Gnome was rather slow - would Gutsy be better? [04:15] We'll give you Xfce4 [04:15] Which is faster than Gnome [04:16] Would you prefer if I did it? [04:16] another requirement the box was doing: a) router b)Firestarter firewall c) FTP access d) SSH e) must be able to do command line email of my cronjobs [04:16] somer: msg [04:56] whats the command to open the application menu? trying to set it to a keyboard shortcut.. [05:01] xfce4-popup-menu [05:01] k [06:36] heya the sheep [06:37] TheSheep: hello [06:38] I just upgraded from 7.04 to 7.10, I believe that xfce's WM isnt starting correctly, as I am not getting any window decorations. When I go into the settings menu and go to window manager settings or window manager tweak i get an error "These settings cannot work with your current window manager (unknown) [06:39] and I believe I just confirmed the issue...when I run xfwm4 by hand I get the decorations back. Does anyone know where this is normally started from? [06:40] beefsalad, Just logout (make sure "save session" is ticked off) and than log back in [06:40] should be saved [06:40] good day to everyone: i have a little problem with my gui, like for example i am working on an openoffice doc and i use the find and replace option i option window is too big that when i click on the advanced options i can't get to the bottom part of the option [06:41] somerville32: worked like a charm, thanks! [06:41] beefsalad, No problem [07:48] * Netham45 is off to bed [07:51] how do I make thunar start up as default when I open a folder or whatever? now its starting nautilus [08:59] am i suppose to follow the wikis way to setup compiz for ubuntu or kubuntu or something else ? [09:03] boubbin, For Xubuntu? [09:03] there arent any info conserning xubuntu.. [09:03] !compiz [09:03] Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - help in #compiz-fusion [09:08] boubbin, You'll have to navigate your way yourself [09:08] However, people do it all the time [09:09] Best bet is to attempt to follow ubuntu's guide [09:58] hi there :-) [09:58] can somebody please tell me: [09:58] a. how I change the resolution of the terminal which is 80x25 to something like 132xxx using no gui [09:58] b. is it possible to add more consoles as it is under suse using ALT-1 to ALT-6 [09:58] thanx [10:00] press ctrl+alt F# [10:01] dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg [10:02] I dont use a xserver [10:02] Oh [10:03] Are you using the server install? [10:06] Yupp [10:07] Please see #ubuntu-server :) [10:08] okay thanx [10:57] How do i access a thumb drive on a command only system? [11:00] * AlexC needs to access his flash drive [11:05] hum.. how do I make a item on the panel allign on the right side of the panel? [11:07] bloony, Use a spacer and than edit it and click expand [11:07] hum [11:07] AlexC, Is there any specific reason you came to #xubuntu for server support? [11:07] somerville32: thx [11:08] how to install openoffice on xubuntu? [11:08] i tried apt-cache search xubuntu but can not find it [11:09] CyberMad, Install the openoffice.org package [11:10] bloony, np [11:12] apt-get install openoffice.org ? [11:12] yes. [11:12] Although I dunno why you don't use the add/remove in Applications > System [11:12] E: Package openoffice.org has no installation cndidate :( [11:12] hehe sorry i'm new [11:13] :) [11:13] just a second.. i try you suggestion [11:26] can I turn of nautilus so its automaticaly uses thunar? [11:29] bloony, Yes. [11:29] Look in Applications > Setting manager [11:30] hum [11:32] and where? [11:32] cant find it in file manager [11:33] somerville32: [11:35] Sorry [11:35] time for bed [11:35] k [11:36] sleept tight [11:39] Hi, i think it's not normal when apt-get causes ~60% CPU load just after boot (started by anachron) [11:44] what might apt be doing? [11:44] downloading updates? [11:44] but why does it cause that hight load then [11:45] and even if it installed them now this wouldn't last that long, would it? [11:45] it already appered yesterday [11:45] im trying to install xubuntu on an intel pentium III, only has 700 MHz processor. im having trouble booting the xubuntu cd, when it has completed 'Loading the Linux Kernel', it freezes and nothing happens. any ideas? [11:46] are you using the alternative cd? [11:47] platz08 , ive tried both the pc x86 and the amd64 cds, both have the same problem [11:47] no the alternative i386 cd :} [11:47] the amd64 cd bots on an P3? [11:47] +o [11:48] oh, do you think it will make a difference, if other do are doing the same things? [11:48] *two [11:48] well, the desktop one needs at least 256MB of ram [11:48] this is the live cd [11:48] !alternative [11:48] The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD - See also !Minimal [11:49] the alternative one has a textmode installer that even worked on my P2 with 64MB ;) [11:49] textmode, interesting,k ill try that [11:49] thanx [11:50] so back to my problem ;) what do you think could cause apt-get running wild? [11:51] the machines here are turned off every afternoon by simple cutting of the power - not a nice method imo [11:51] but could these have caused an amok apt? [11:53] i wouldn't know [11:53] but why are they turned off by cutting of the power? [11:53] so do you think i could damage the system by simly killing it? [11:53] also i won't know if it's normal [11:54] this is a good questions [11:54] very lazy adnmins [11:54] gods [12:20] today i am going to try this system can some one tell me the disavantges for this sys [12:20] i also have 256 ram [12:20] and i got pentium 3 [12:21] do u think it is going to work in my computer [12:21] any one [12:23] ok at leat i know where to ask [12:23] least [12:47] hi [12:48] I have processes that I cant kill with sudo kill -9 pid [12:48] My CPU meter shows 100% cpu use [12:48] But I dont see any such process with 100% in top. [12:49] Processes that I cant kill are testdisk, gam_server and thunar [12:53] Hey, is there a way I can make the buttons of the mpd client plugin for the panel === ader10 is now known as ader10-afk [13:22] hallo guru [13:23] how can I install a new icon theme on xubuntu [13:23] nobody can help me? [13:31] hi all [13:31] hello [13:31] Just booted xubuntu in a vm [13:32] looks nice [13:32] thinking I may have found a home for a bit [13:32] :) [13:33] first time I've use xfce [13:33] and its not bad at all :) [13:37] yup, its sweet [13:37] rox is nice aswell [13:39] I've never liked rox actually [13:39] I can survive though [13:39] Should the feisty installer be able to resize ntfs partitions? [13:41] yup [13:41] now I need to install a new hard drive [13:41] be back soon [13:42] tbh i rather would fix the partion u want feisty on before u install, then just manuell fix the / and swap [13:43] pshr: it doesnt seem to offer me the option anywhere obvious.. are vista drives different? [13:43] never dualed with vista [13:43] pshr: how would i resise the partition without using the installer? I dont think there's a tool in windows [13:44] VSpike: gparted [13:44] VSpike: for linux [13:45] VSpike: and there are tools like partition magick for windows [13:45] TheSheep: ah, i thought the partition part of the installer *was* gparted, i must admit [13:48] Hmm I guess with no way to backup the data I probably shouldnt risk it anyway [13:48] u got 1 big systemdisk ? [13:48] Was just sitting in an airport with time to kill and a work laptop + xubuntu 7.04 live CD :) [13:48] ahh hehe [13:48] pshr: about 80G [13:49] AFAIK the resize can't be considered 100% safe.. especially with Vista probably [13:49] also should consider the fact that my time or the battery may run out before completion :) [13:50] i wouldnt do it :) [13:50] Nah, I think you're right [13:50] always a risk u will fuck up vista [13:50] Will just content myself with playing with the live CD [13:50] and if you got work related stuff on it etc etc [13:50] hehe [13:51] Well, I'm going to do a clean XP install when i get back anyway so losing Vista would not be too bad but losing the data would hurt [13:51] Go no blank CDR to backup or anything [13:51] How's experience with gutsy here so far? [13:52] I upgraded my main machine which runs Kubuntu before i left on this trip, and it was not painless [13:52] my upgrade went without a hitch lol [13:52] was surprised to say the least [13:53] Also just suffered a complete corruption of the system parition while I was away - was fun trying to fix that from 10,000 miles away with only an impatient and non-techie wife as an assistant at the machine [13:53] Managed to get it back, but will probably do a clean install when i get home because it was really messed up [13:54] A couple of people in #ubuntu advised me to avoid gutsy and install fiesty again [13:54] Suprised me a bit [13:55] alot of ppl had problems with gutsy [13:55] really? [13:55] gutsy runs great on my machines [13:55] it's hard to say because reviews tend to be positive by nature, and if you search the forums, you find lots of problems, which is also expected because ppl go there to solve problems [13:56] so it's hard to get an objective view [13:56] just skimmed thru various forum threads tho [13:56] yea, no problem here either [13:56] i know ati drivers are fudged up for some cards [13:56] but with nvidia there is no problem [13:56] id say xubuntu gg is abit faster [13:57] Upgrade rendered my machine unbootable.. it screwed up the kernels and the new kernel would not see my sata drives [13:57] also lost sound, skype, display driver, and a few other things [13:57] ouch [13:57] damn hehe [13:57] yeah :) [13:57] pshr, yep it is [13:57] still, was educational fixing the problems [13:58] ubuntu gutsy is faster too btw [13:58] you need to be philosophical about these things i guess. what doesn't kill you makes you stronger and all that [13:58] yeah once running, it seemed smoother and faster [13:58] VSpike, lol [13:59] also upgrades are always likely to be more problematic, esp if you don't leave your install totally virginal [13:59] only problem here is that the new gedit saves its files 700, witch sucks with apache etc [13:59] VSpike, my dad actually had a great upgrade, not one problem [14:00] but yeah that was all original repos etc [14:00] This disk corruption is a worry. It occurred after a power cut, but normally that shouldnt be a problem. smart and badblocks find no problems. So wondering if it's a subtle hardware problem, "just one of those things", or related to the kernel somehow [14:02] I'd like to spend some time playing with xubuntu now that ive got used to linux running kubuntu. Always liked resurrecting old hardware, and also quite like a leaner desktop [14:04] Is there any equivalent of katapult for xfce? [14:04] It's a killer app for kde [14:05] Having to use this windows work laptop is painful enough, but i keep hitting alt-space to start things. [14:05] Oh, and the vista start menu is loathsome btw [14:05] katapult ? [14:05] no idea what that is [14:07] It indexes applications in the start menu, as well as documents, bookmarks, music, video, etc. Then you hit alt-space or whatever your hotkey is to pop it up and just type the first 2 or 3 letters of what you want and hit enter [14:07] ah ok [14:07] I also has a built in spell checker and calculator. tbh though I just use it for starting applications [14:07] VSpike, you can try the deskbar applet [14:07] its gnome but you can run it in xfce too [14:07] It indexes their descriptive names as well as the file anme [14:07] not quite as advanced as katapult looks [14:08] well, fix key shortcuts, ctrl+alt+z gives you firefox [14:08] etc etc [14:08] but still a nice applet [14:09] ablomen: i'll look into it - have not really used gnome much. last time i tried, it would not run on my system. Although gutsy upgrade appears to have fixed that :) [14:09] :) [14:09] running the xubuntu live cd on this system makes vista look steam powered [14:09] xfce4-xfapplet-plugin << youll need to install that too btw [14:10] lol [14:17] right - 4% battery time to go [14:17] thanks for passing the time ! [14:17] take care [14:17] later [14:25] re, and with a new hdd attached! :) [14:37] how big a space do I need to install xubuntu with lots of options + more later down the track [14:37] and how should I be partitioned? [14:38] darrend, i always do something like / ext3 20gb /home ext3 rest_of_disk_space [14:38] thats a really safe approach [14:39] oh and 2x memmory size for swap [14:40] well [14:40] but you could make / half of that [14:40] I have various sized hdds here [14:40] So.... [14:40] probably go the smallest then [14:40] and you want to use all the disk? [14:40] unless you have a better idea? :P [14:40] lol [14:40] (120gb) - 111gb formatted. 4gb swap [14:41] thats 107gb left to play with [14:41] id use a seperate home partition if i where you [14:41] 40/67? [14:41] or will I never be getting >20 on /? [14:42] not unless you do something really strange, or make it a server [14:42] Well... wtf do I do with 87gb of /home [14:43] well save data and stuff ;) [14:43] believe me, youll get trough it, i think i have about 200gb's in my home folder at home, and about 60 here at work [14:43] wtf is in it? [14:44] my tbird inbox already exceeds 5 gb [14:44] I have other drives for music, video, torrents etc [14:44] then you have music, images, backups etc [14:44] ah [14:44] only thing I'll have on it is .... uh.... settings [14:47] hmm yeah [14:47] then you dont really need 67gb :P [15:08] Goodmorning everybody, I have a problem running a script in Xubuntu 7.10.... [15:09] Goodmorning everybody, I have a problem running a script in Xubuntu 7.10.... [15:12] might want to start again with the relevant information [15:14] Oh, sorry, I had problems with GuardDog... [15:14] I though the message hadn't arrived... [15:14] Because some protocols were blocked... [15:15] Anyway, I want to run a script to execute Azureus (BitTorrent client/server). I have installed it not with APT, but directly uncompressing the latest .tar.gz package (the version currently in Xubuntu repos isn't the latest) [15:16] The script is in /opt/azureus, and is called 'azureus' [15:16] If I run it through the Terminal, opening a Terminal, and typing 'cd /opt/azureus; ./azureus', everything works... [15:17] But if I want to create a Program Launcher on the desktop panel, and specify as the command '/opt/azureus/azureus', it doesn't start anything... [15:18] I've also tried using 'sh /opt/azureus/azureus', but nothing... [15:20] One thing I noticed is that executing 'sh /opt/azureus/azureus' in the Terminal gives me the error '56: sintax error: "(" unexpected (expecting "done") [15:21] What could the reason be for this? [16:14] Hi [16:16] I was wondering if someone could help me, because I have no idea what I am doing [16:16] !ask | Newo [16:16] Newo: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :) [16:17] is around 256 mb of swap partition is enough or will the system benefit much if i make it larger? [16:17] Woodruff_: how much ram do you have? [16:17] i have 512 MB [16:18] thats another problem i have btw [16:18] Woodruff_: oh? [16:18] I have installed Xubuntu (or at least I think I have, it appears to have the xubuntu loading screen) and it gets to the terminal and then I am stumped [16:19] Well i have 1 Gig of memory but xubuntu only recognize 512 for some reason [16:19] Woodruff_: other systems see more? [16:20] nope [16:20] xp see the same [16:20] Woodruff_: seems like a hardware problem [16:21] yeah thought so too , so TheSheep you think the 256 Swap dir is enough? [16:21] Woodruff_: I use 1GB [16:21] Woodruff_: the rule of thumb is 2xRAM [16:23] Newo: looks like it didn't install properly [16:23] Xubuntu is stuck on the terminal and is refusing to boot to the GUI, I was wondering what to do. [16:23] I'll try reinstalling it [16:23] Newo: can you log in in text mode? [16:23] It is the first boot [16:23] So, I am not sure [16:24] can i use the GParted to add Swap partitions? [16:25] My good old Ubuntu 5.04 didn't do this, I may reinstall it :P [16:25] Do i just need to format another GB for "linux-swap" and thats it? [16:25] or i need to define something somewhere [16:26] I may be back for help later... [16:27] Woodruff_: just formatting it should be enough [16:27] Woodruff_: you might need to add it to fstab [16:28] !fstab | Woodruff_ [16:28] Woodruff_: The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions [16:28] Thanks TheSheep [16:38] humm if i have an unformatted partition of around 30GB how do i allocate 1 GB of it to Swap? [16:38] i cant seems to be able to format only part of it [16:38] or make a new partition [16:39] and i cant delete it [16:40] says "Please unmount any logical partition having a number higher then 5" [16:43] Woodruff_: boot from the livecd [16:44] Woodruff_: messing with partitions on a running system may be a bad idea [16:45] its a partition not being used [16:45] its not even formatted [16:45] i see only 3 GB on my / partition [16:52] How can I make a certain command to be executed everytime the system boots? [16:52] mahone: put it in /etc/rc.local [16:53] OK. And how can I make the system not launching X (headless system)? [16:54] mahone: disable gdm in default runlevel [16:55] Should I delete she S* and K* scripts? [16:55] mahone: no [16:55] mahone: just rename the Sxx ones to Kxxx [16:55] mahone: S means start in this runlevel, K means stop [16:56] OK, so for example S10GDM becomes....K..what? [16:56] K10GDM [16:57] mahone: or install sysv-rc-conf and do it with it [16:57] mahone: it's a simple program that will display you a menu and do it for you [17:03] OK, thanks. Why does Ubuntu uses 2 as default runlevel, and not 5? [17:10] mahone: because it inherits from debian, which hass all the 2-5 runlevels the same anyways [17:10] TheSheep: I understand. Anyway, thanks for the tips [17:39] is there a way to get a list of packages that came with gutsy xubuntu so I can diff it against my current package list and remove things I don't need anymore? [17:51] snerfu: you could do a quick install inside a vmware [18:53] hi [18:54] hola [19:01] Hi, I'm having some trouble installing Xubuntu on an old Toshiba Satellite laptop. [19:05] what seems to be the prob [19:06] Well, I boot it up, and select 'text installer' or something (from CD). Then when it comes to the "Detect and mount CD-ROM" step, it doesn't recognise the CD drive. [19:07] Instead, it asks me for drivers on a floppy (which I don't have), or to select a module from a list (which I don't understand). [19:08] ooh ive gottent hat before [19:08] is it in a docking station? [19:09] No...I don't think I have one of those. [19:09] is it an external cd? [19:09] Nope. [19:09] hmm [19:10] what happens if you ignore the asking for modules and continue the installation [19:10] ? [19:10] It says the step failed, and asks me to select a different step from a menu [19:10] bollocks [19:11] *thinking [19:13] i really need to start writing my own documentation for fixing things like this cause my memory sucks [19:13] Heh... [19:14] well there are all the ways to install without a cdrom [19:14] net install, installing from Damn Small Linux [19:15] Net install? [19:16] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2068 [19:17] i think what i ended up doing was booting DSL to find out information on what controllers were in the computer, found modules for each loaded them at that prompt and eventually got it to work [19:17] it was a long process and a pain in the @$$ but i had no clue what i was doing [19:17] :/ [19:18] I don't have an FTP or HTTP server, will this computer work? [19:18] i think you can make a temp onr on a machine [19:18] you can install from windows now appartently [19:19] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromWindows [19:20] i've tried the loadlin approach in the past to get linux to boot from usb drive on a computer with only a floppy and hard drive [19:20] I don't have Windows on it. [19:20] what are the specs? [19:20] of the laptop [19:21] Not sure about the CPU, but it's got 128 MB of RAM [19:21] (I'm using the alternate installer) [19:22] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=4062 [19:22] that is a little closer to the actual problem [19:26] Problem: [19:26] There [19:27] *There's no HTTP or FTP instll button. [19:27] button? [19:28] Option, I meant. [19:28] have a usb cdrom? [19:29] Do you know about a bug where booting from the Live CD has the mouse pointer rendering not updated and the only visible clue to where it's at is buttons highlighting? [19:29] Afraid not. [19:30] hmmm...... [19:31] i know there is some way to get the cd working that is really easy and im overthinking this [19:33]