[00:10] <ubotu> New bug: #160842 in ubuntu "Live CD Crashes on boot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/160842
[00:10] <ubotu> New bug: #160843 in amarok (main) "amarok doesn't show icons" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/160843
[00:10] <ubotu> New bug: #160844 in ubuntu "I'm not able to write any DVD disc and the CD writer writes correctly CD a slow speed 2x" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/160844
[00:20] <ubotu> New bug: #160840 in mdk (universe) "Please sync mdk 1.2.3-1.1  (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/160840
[00:20] <ubotu> New bug: #160841 in wondershaper (universe) "Please sync wondershaper 1.1a-4.1  (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/160841
[00:30] <ubotu> New bug: #145205 in soundconverter (universe) "sound converter crashed whilst also playing music in rhythmbox (dup-of: 87768)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145205
[00:56] <ubotu> New bug: #160847 in dtc (universe) "dtc-postfix-courier fails during --configure, can't install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/160847
[01:06] <ubotu> New bug: #160848 in gnome-panel (main) "can't switch desktops once "desktop cube" enabled" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/160848
[01:10] <ubotu> New bug: #160849 in ubuntu "kolabd fails with segfault" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/160849
[01:25] <ubotu> New bug: #160851 in openoffice.org (main) "Table tool box pops up directly over the cursor, on the position being edited" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/160851
[01:25] <ubotu> New bug: #160852 in openoffice.org (main) "Changing table dimensions is overly sensitive to cursor position." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/160852
[02:06] <ace_suares> how to close a bug on launchpad ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/117480
[02:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 117480 in openoffice.org "OpenOffice 2.2 crashes the machine with File->Open" [Undecided,New]
[02:06] <ubotu> New bug: #160854 in ubuntu "_usr_bin_kxineplayer.0.crash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/160854
[02:06] <ubotu> New bug: #160855 in ubuntu "egroupware doesn't install corrrectly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/160855
[02:06] <ubotu> New bug: #160856 in ubuntu "phpgroupware does not install properly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/160856
[02:06] <persia> ace_suares: Did you file it by accident, or do you want to close it for a different reason?
[02:07] <ace_suares> close it beacuse I think it's not relevant anymore
[02:08] <ace_suares> persia: close it beacuse I think it's not relevant anymore
[02:08] <persia> ace_suares: Ah, I've read through it now.  I'm not sure if it is fixed by a software change or a hardware change: was this only on the old hardware, with the same versions of the software, or waas there an upgrade as well?
[02:08] <ace_suares> persia: there was upgrade from oo 2.2 -> 2.3 (feisty -> gutsy) AND there was significant hardware upgrade too
[02:09] <ace_suares> persia: I have not ever seen the bug in any of 5 other machines
[02:09] <ace_suares> persia: I've been talking to various irc channels but no one ever really looked in it, someone suggested it was a driver problem
[02:09] <persia> ace_suares: That makes it tricky.  I wonder if there is a driver bug of some sort.
[02:09] <ace_suares> persia: in x, or it was the 3-head setup, or or or.
[02:10] <ace_suares> persia: and it happened ONLY in OO that's why at first I couldn't believe it was a driver problem.
[02:10] <ace_suares> persia: i think it is irreproducable
[02:10] <ace_suares> persia: i also think it's not fixed by anyone; it just disappeard with the new hw and sw
[02:11] <persia> Right.  It's hard to figure it out.  There are three "closed" bug status values: "Invalid", "Won't Fix", and "Fix Released".  I'm not sure which is correct.  If you think it is irreproducable, I'd suggest "Invalid" is probably correct (although the bug was previously valid, so long as you had hardware on which you could reproduce)
[02:11] <ace_suares> persia: what about triaged ?
[02:12] <persia> ace_suares: It's definitely not "triaged", as it's not clear what the problem is, and you're suggesting people no longer need to work on it.  "Triaged" is for bugs where there is a clear answer, and someone needs to write some code.
[02:12] <ace_suares> persia: and i don't have 'won't fix' in the options menu !
[02:12] <ace_suares> persia: okay, thanks for the clarification of triage
[02:13] <persia> ace_suares: No problem.  The point of triage is to organise all the random bugs, and separate out the ones that we can figure out how to fix from the ones where it's not clear (like 117480)
[02:13] <ace_suares> persia: I think there are many bugs in older versions that should be removed or closed, is that so or just my newbie view of things ?
[02:15] <persia> ace_suares: If you'd be willing to review and update the bugs that people forgot to close, that would be great.  I usually look in both /usr/share/doc/<package>/changelog.Debian.gz and /usr/share/doc/<package>/changelog.gz, and add a comment reporting the version in which the bug was fixed when I close them.
[02:15] <ace_suares> persia: I am just trying to join the bugsquad team but I can't promise that I will be very active.
[02:16] <ace_suares> persia: what happens to the bugs that will never be resolved, like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-i810/+bug/67559
[02:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 67559 in xserver-xorg-video-i810 "xorg.conf broken after upgrade dapper->edgy on a 3head" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[02:16] <ace_suares> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/67272
[02:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 67272 in xorg "xserver does not boot after upgrade from dapper to edgy / abi mismatch of nv nvidia driver" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[02:16] <ace_suares> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/69471
[02:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 69471 in ubiquity "LiveCD Install can not mount existing reiserfs that is part of software raid1 (/home)" [Undecided,New]
[02:16] <ace_suares> etc etc
[02:17] <persia> ace_suares: That's trickier.  If someone is still having the problem, and we can figure out a solution, it's possible to fix (yes, even for Dapper or Edgy), although most bugs will get investigated and fixed for the next release, to avoid problems in the past versions.
[02:18] <ace_suares> persia: what if I reported something, nobody ever reacted, and it is still 'undecided,new' and I don't have the problem anymore since I moved on to a new release ?
[02:19] <persia> If you know them to be fixed, closing them as either "Invalid" or "Fix Released" with the appropriate comment would be great.
[02:19] <ace_suares> ...but they are not fixed... or at least I don't know since I dont' use that version anymore...
[02:20] <persia> ace_suares: If you don't have the problem anymore, it might well be fixed: that's when I check the changelogs to find out how it was fixed, and report that in a comment.
[02:20] <persia> Ah.  You don't know if the bugs are fixed, but rather you can no longer support testing, etc.?
[02:20] <ace_suares> sorry to 'bug' you like this, but https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/114867
[02:20] <ubotu> New bug: #160857 in rhythmbox (main) "Rhythmbox disk thrashing on startup - 100% CPU utilization" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/160857
[02:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 114867 in ubiquity "Feisty clean install: apt-get not installed" [Undecided,New]
[02:21] <ace_suares> I clearly have not experienced that in any of 10 installations of feisty, but either the bug was not real (invalid), casued by other stuff (maybe I had a resierfs partition
[02:22] <ace_suares> mounted as ext3 during installation) but it's not reproducable (by me) and definetely not fixed (I will check the changelogs).
[02:22] <persia> ace_suares: That looks like another one where the developers just don't understand how to create the condition where it could fail.
[02:22] <ace_suares> Nobody responded and no comments where made.
[02:23] <ace_suares> sorry the last commet is not true, this one was picked up.
[02:23] <ace_suares> Anyway.
[02:23] <ace_suares> I can happily mark some of my bugs as invalid, but that doesn't sound good to me.
[02:23] <ace_suares> 'irrelevant' might be a better choice, maybe...
[02:24] <persia> ace_suares: My experience is that if the bug is set to the right package, and has a good description of how to reproduce it, it often gets fixed.  It looks like your experience is different, for which you have my sympathy.
[02:24] <ace_suares> persia: not all bugs go this way, some others where confirmed, sometimes by many others, and some where fixed...
[02:24] <persia> I agree "Invalid" doesn't seem right, but I don't know how else to set it when nobody cares anymore (either the submitter or the developers)
[02:24] <ace_suares> I just want to help uncluttering the huge bug list ...!
[02:25] <ace_suares> you are ~persia on launchpad ?
[02:25] <persia> Good to hear, both that you've had success with some bugs, and that you want to help (and yes)
[02:26] <ace_suares> Nice to meet you!
[02:27] <ace_suares> I see you active in bochs... what's with the weird bios problem (winxp won't run on the gutsy bios using qemu)
[02:28] <persia> Actually, I know very little about bochs: I was just grabbing some Debian updates to keep the package basically working.
[02:28] <ace_suares> good work :-)
[02:28] <ace_suares> I need to sleep now, sorry, maybe we'll meet again someday!
[02:28] <ace_suares> I'll look what i can do in bugsquad.
[02:28] <persia> ace_suares: Have a good night, and thanks for joining the bugsquad
[02:29] <ace_suares> See ya!
[03:15] <ubotu> New bug: #160860 in ubuntu "Dual Head won't work with fresh install of Gutsy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/160860
[04:16] <ubotu> New bug: #160865 in dpkg (main) "Please merge from debian unstable (1.14.7)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/160865
[04:21] <ubotu> New bug: #160866 in ubuntu "Hue color & Contrast way off on Video apps." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/160866
[04:21] <ubotu> New bug: #160867 in ubuntu "kernel: error=[82005.655014] psmouse.c: " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/160867
[04:26] <ubotu> New bug: #160868 in ubuntu "OpenOffice constantly crashes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/160868
[04:35] <ubotu> New bug: #160869 in firefox (main) "massive web page with lots of video crashes firefox" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/160869
[04:35] <pedro_> andre: i love you
[04:37]  * pedro_ hugs andre_
[04:37] <andre_> :-*
[04:37] <pedro_> i love you dear
[04:37] <pedro_> :*
[04:38] <pedro_> shit this internet connection isn't really good..
[04:38] <andre_> i love you too
[04:40] <ubotu> New bug: #160870 in labplot (universe) "nonlinear fit causes crash when using "user defined" option" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/160870
[04:41] <pedro_> who use labplot?
[04:41] <pedro_> :-P
[04:45] <ubotu> New bug: #160871 in ubuntu "Screen resolution issues in Gutsy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/160871
[04:46] <andre_> who use ubuntu?
[04:46] <andre_> ;-))
[04:47] <pedro_> you!
[04:47] <andre_> nope :)
[04:47] <andre_> i'm just lurking here.
[04:48] <pedro_> you use suse?
[04:48] <pedro_> dude !
[04:48] <andre_> nope.
[04:48] <andre_> i did. once upon a time.
[04:48] <andre_> currently i use an old mustang ford 67.
[04:48] <pedro_> auhahuahua
[04:48] <andre_> sometimes you get a blue screen, but it works more or less.
[04:48] <pedro_> blue screen rocks