/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2007/11/08/#ubuntu-ops.txt

Picielkbuntu: fyi, jeffery is a bit, hm, odd. I've had to warn him about 6 times about botabuse and hes gotten at least one kick about it.00:44
elkbuntuPici, that's no reasons for what was being said earlier00:45
Picielkbuntu: I know. 00:45
LjLwhat'd i miss?00:50
LjLyeah jeffrey is almost on my highlight list already00:50
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PriceChildHey there DfvelwwB, how can I help?00:57
Picin=ljl00:57
PriceChildI knew that.00:58
PriceChildWas just testing.00:58
Picii hate when you do that00:58
PriceChildGlad to see you're on your toes pici.00:58
PriceChildRight its about time for the meeting...00:58
PiciOh!00:59
Seeker`oh yeah, meeting00:59
PiciI nearly forgot00:59
jribhe could be a fake LjL 00:59
Seeker`here, or -meeting?00:59
jribmeeting?00:59
LjL-Tempjrib: i say it's me00:59
PriceChild-meeting00:59
Seeker`i'm ljl!00:59
ubotuIn #ubuntu, soundray said: ubotu, no, kde =~ s/Gusty/gutsy/00:59
Pici!kde00:59
ubotuKDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop », or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . Latest KDE version is 3.5.8 for Gusty and Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org for more information.00:59
PriceChildnalioth, elkbuntu :)00:59
jribgood call00:59
Seeker`typo!00:59
Pici!kde =~ s/Gusty/Gutsy/01:00
ubotuI'll remember that Pici01:00
LjL-Tempit seems i'm just on too many channels with the other client01:00
Pici!search gusty01:00
ubotuFound: gusty01:00
LjL-Tempit lags no matter what... same server01:00
LjLindeed01:01
LjLmy proxy's out of nicknames01:01
naliothPriceChild: i've been waiting for you guys in -meeting01:01
LjLand i'm still lagged even without the proxy, unless i'm still just syncing01:01
PriceChildhehe01:01
LjLbah01:01
LjLping me please01:01
PiciLjL: pign01:01
LjL-Tempi meant ctcp ping01:02
LjL-Tempand i said that three minutes ago anyway01:02
PiciLjL: it just showed up :(01:02
LjL-Tempi know01:02
naliothLjL-Temp: you are the least lagged01:02
LjL-Tempnalioth: come again? (but yeah, ljl-temp is not lagged, ljl is)01:03
naliothLjL-Temp: just giving you lag feedback01:03
LjL-Tempbut, i sent this at 2:03:26, and ljl received it at 2:03:2601:03
LjL-Tempso ljl isn't really lagged *when receiving*01:04
LjL-Tempit lags by minutes *when sending*01:04
LjL-Tempi've never seen something like this i think01:04
naliothwhere is elkbuntu ?01:04
PiciShe was heere earlier01:05
elkbuntuhere01:05
elkbuntusorry, was watching tv ... finnish school shooting :-/01:05
Pici:(01:05
naliothelkbuntu: #ubuntu-meeting awaits you   :)01:05
AndrewBOhhh yeah meeting01:06
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LjL-Tempnoooo01:07
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LjLgrrr01:07
naliothSeeker`: o4o applies to Ubuntu-centric off topic channels, not #off-topic 01:12
stdinhello everybody 01:13
PriceChildHey stdin (meeting is in -meeting)01:13
stdinis there a meeting now?01:13
Piciyessir01:14
stdinhmm, I've been away way too long..01:18
Tm_Tmh01:29
PiciTm_T: meeting in -meeting, fyi01:29
Tm_Tthanks01:29
Tm_T(was sleeping)01:29
Picilucky01:29
Tm_TI'm not sure about that =)01:30
Tm_T@now Helsinki01:30
stdinhey Tm_T, long time no see :)01:32
Tm_Tstdin: :))01:32
stdinI'm ready for what the world brings :)01:40
Tm_Tstdin: :))01:40
Tm_Tstdin: I struggle with myself every day01:40
* Jucato brings stdin a world... of problems01:40
stdinI can handle the world or problems now, I feel great :D   (now)01:40
Tm_Theh01:40
* stdin is just glad to be back01:41
Tm_Tstdin: I'm glad youre back01:41
stdinI'm glad you're still here Tm_T :) and you too Jucato. as well as everyone else01:42
Jucato:)01:42
Tm_Tstdin: I'm partly here01:42
* Jucato would be gone in a few01:42
stdin"still here" in the way I wasn't. I did miss you all very much (as sad as that sounds, it's true)01:43
stdins/miss/missed.01:43
Tm_Tsleeping or not, sleeping or not, sleeping or not...01:45
Tm_Toh, and I havent eat my medication whole this week01:45
stdinyou don't need meds Tm_T, you're perfect the way you are :)01:48
* Jucato is actually confused who the meeting really is for...01:48
Tm_Tstdin: umm, well, doctors say I'm depressed01:49
naliothJucato: it's for me, of course01:49
Jucatothen why the fsck am I there? O.o01:49
Jucatohehehe01:49
Tm_Tstdin: and the fact that I havent been successful to get to school now a whole month tells its own story too =)01:49
Jucatoschool...01:50
stdinTm_T: I never did trust doctors to tell me who I am, but I do know what being depressed is like 01:50
* Jucato wants to go back...01:50
Jucatoooh depression! I think I'm becoming an expert on that too01:50
Tm_Tstdin: I'm not sure myself, I have been this way years01:51
stdintm01:52
stdinopps :p01:52
stdinTm_T: well I've been depressed for a while, it's only recently that it's gotten on-top of me01:53
Tm_Theh01:53
Tm_Tyeah01:53
Seeker`stdin: thats bad :(01:53
Tm_TI know I have evil damages in my head so hard to tell when what is happening really01:53
Tm_TI can panic just if I have to leave my house01:54
stdinSeeker`: that's life I'm afraid, I've been technically "depressed" since midway through secondary school 01:54
Tm_Theh01:55
* Seeker` is sure something is wrong with him, but isn't sure what01:55
Seeker`possibly hypochondria or OCD :P01:55
stdinSeeker`: it's the disorder called "life", many people suffer from it :p01:55
Tm_TI'm prolly slightly authistic and several damages in head on top of that01:56
Tm_Tyadda yadda01:57
Tm_Tits 0358 here so time to eat breakfast I think =)01:57
stdinhave to say ^ dito on the "slightly autistic" side, I've felt that for a while.  (looking into someone's eyes seems such an easy task for some)01:57
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somerville32Hobbsee, Are you accusing me of lying and spreading propaganda?02:51
somerville32Why would you do that? I'm trying to discuss the IRC related concerns in good faith.02:51
elkbuntusomerville32, you accused us of a closed circle decision group. bad move.02:51
Hobbseeperhaps i should say misinformation02:51
somerville32elkbuntu, I did not. I was trying to express my opinion of that occuring.02:51
somerville32I'm not accusing anyone of anything.02:51
somerville32I'm sorry if it came across that way.02:51
elkbuntu<somerville32> Hobbsee, You can't have it just a self-selected group having full control over the irc channels.02:52
somerville32elkbuntu, That is in response to her comment02:53
somerville32She said that discussion/decisions should be made by the current op team02:53
Hobbseeno, you need to read what i said again02:53
Hobbsee[13:47] <Hobbsee> somerville32: by people who actually are in the channels, and know what they're talking about02:54
somerville32Hobbsee, I'm sorry. I did misread you.02:54
Hobbseefair enough.02:54
Tm_Twhen you're settled, hug02:54
somerville32However, I am in the Xubuntu channels everyday and so I do feel that my POV is meaningful02:54
Hobbseesure, but that deals with smaller channels, not big ones like #ubuntu02:55
Tm_Tsomerville32: being in channels doesnt mean anything ;)02:55
Hobbseehow often does #xubuntu et trolled anyway?02:55
Tm_Ts/anything/much/02:55
somerville32Tm_T, I was an op for a period of time.02:55
Tm_Tsomerville32: yes, I'm in ~50 channels02:55
Tm_Tdoes it make me bigger? no02:55
ajmitchTm_T: addict02:55
somerville32Tm_T, Good for you?02:55
elkbuntusomerville32, and there's a reason you're not anymore?02:56
Tm_Tsomerville32: I'm just saying that being in channels ITSELF doesnt bring much02:56
* ajmitch should see if the op list for #ubuntu-nz can be fixed up to actually include the current loco coordinator02:56
somerville32elkbuntu, Yes, there is. But we don't need to get into that because it is a _very_ subjective topic :)02:56
Tm_Tbeing active in channels its another story02:56
somerville32Can I just put my concern bluntly?02:56
* PriceChild points you to /msg ubotu ask02:57
somerville32I develop Xubuntu and I'm a very prominent member of the Xubuntu community.02:57
tonyyarussoAre we really doing this again?02:57
somerville32I simply do not want to feel like the Xubuntu channels are out of the control of the Xubuntu community02:57
somerville32Is that a fair concern?02:57
Tm_Tsomerville32: they are not out of control02:57
Tm_Tsomerville32: Xubuntu = Ubuntu = Kubuntu etc etc02:58
somerville32No02:58
Tm_Tit is02:58
somerville32Xubuntu ~= Ubuntu ~= Kubuntu etc. etc.02:58
Tm_Tumm02:58
Tm_Twe are the same community02:58
somerville32Xubuntu is a _distinct_ entity02:58
Tm_Tyes, apps vary02:58
elkbuntusomerville32, are there no xubuntu community members as ops of the channel?02:59
somerville32elkbuntu, The ops that I appointed from afore yes.02:59
Hobbseethe communities differ, so granted...but i'd be surprised if there were no xubuntu community people there02:59
Seeker`I've not seen any suggestion that control of any channel will be taken away from anyone02:59
Hobbseesomerville32: then, what's the problem/02:59
elkbuntusomerville32, then your assertion that the channel is out of the control of the community is absurd02:59
somerville32I never claimed it was elkbuntu 02:59
somerville32I said I wanted to make sure it didn't occur02:59
elkbuntu<somerville32> I simply do not want to feel like the Xubuntu channels are out of the control of the Xubuntu community02:59
Picitonyyarusso: that was odd.03:00
Tm_Tsomerville32: there wont be that03:00
elkbuntusomerville32, the council being contact is merely insurance for prompt assistance from freenode03:00
somerville32For example, if Riddle wanted something involving the Kubuntu channel changed (ie. appointing an op) are you saying that is not his place to do so?03:00
tonyyarussoPici: It makes sense given the previous ban and some PM content.03:00
Picitonyyarusso: ah.03:01
elkbuntusomerville32, no we are not saying that03:01
Tm_TI'm slowly getting a feeling that somerville32 is very misinformed and lost in this matter03:02
somerville32Tm_T, Yes!03:02
somerville32I'm looking for clarification03:02
Tm_Tsomerville32: then ask, dont accusate03:02
somerville32aka: I do do want to feel ...03:02
somerville32I'm not accusing anyone.03:02
elkbuntusomerville32, you are03:02
* Hobbsee starts to wonder about an accusing plugin on somerville32's irc client, tehn.03:03
somerville32Let me make myself clear than, I am not accusing anyone of anything.03:03
Seeker`somerville32: AIUI, People in control of a channel retain control. ubuntu-irc aims to provide a list of people that are trustworthy, so if additional ops are needed, they can be found quickly03:03
somerville32Seeker`, But what about the #kubuntu and #edubuntu channels, etc?03:03
PriceChildsomerville32, what about htem?03:03
somerville32Has the IRCC just scooped up those channels and now they're under their control?03:03
Seeker`somerville32: They can use the list of people *if they wish*03:04
Hobbseesomerville32: nope.  i'm still the head of #kubuntu03:04
Seeker`it isn't compulsory that all new ops come from ubuntu-irc03:04
elkbuntusomerville32, you havent taken anything positively since the meeting began. everything is either a conspiracy to take the channel from xubuntu, or a reversal of the rules you incited last year03:04
PriceChildsomerville32, /cs info #kubuntu03:04
Hobbseealthough i really should switch the channel contact over.  that does not mean that i dont have hte power to add more ops, though03:04
Tm_Tyup03:04
Hobbseeelkbuntu: +103:04
PriceChildsomerville32, all channels that seveas was contact for, have been transferred to ubuntuirccouncil03:04
* Hobbsee thinks we already have too many rules and red tape.03:04
* somerville32 sighs.03:05
PriceChildsomerville32, everything else is left as is... and we've got no real need to interfere with hobbsee adding an op for example.03:05
elkbuntusomerville32, everything already needed seveas. one person. now it needs any one of the council. one of 5 people.03:05
somerville32PriceChild, So who looks after Xubuntu?03:05
somerville32Is Hobbsee appointed to #kubuntu by the council or is she there because she is appointed by Kubuntu?03:06
tonyyarussosomerville32: Hobbsee's position pre-dates the existence of the council.03:06
Seeker`*!*@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga by the looks of the access list03:06
PriceChildsomerville32, ubuntuirccouncil seems to be the contact, wotj *!*@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga able to add new ops03:06
Hobbseesomerville32: apparently 12 people/groups, mostly xubuntu people03:06
naliothsomerville32: the Kubuntu team put Hobbsee in place03:06
Jucatowe did? :)03:07
Hobbseeyes.03:07
Hobbseein a kubuntu meeting, iirc.03:07
Tm_Theh03:07
Jucatoah I wasn't there yet I believe :)03:07
ajmitchJucato: quick, raise up a revolution!03:07
Jucato(jsut my luck!)03:07
JucatoTm_T: where did you keep the flags?03:08
Tm_Twhat fags?03:08
Tm_Tumm, flags03:08
tonyyarusso*ahem*03:08
Jucatotsk tsk :P03:08
tonyyarusso:P03:08
somerville32Okay.03:08
somerville32I don't know why I needed to pull teeth to get that information. ://03:08
ajmitchtonyyarusso: now, he could have been referring to cigarettes  :)03:08
* Seeker` goes to bed, "I need to be up for lectures in 4 hours"03:10
PriceChildSeeker`, 4 and a seminar... beat you!03:10
Seeker`why does a seminar beat a lecture?03:11
PriceChildSeeker`, 4 lectures and a seminar...03:11
PriceChildin total being more than just one lecture03:12
Seeker`I have 5 lectures tomorrow, and tai chi in the evening03:12
elkbuntusomerville32, because you didnt ask it like that outright. you made us out to be the bogey monster first.03:12
LjL[04:05:48] <LjL> Well, if there are no objections, I would like to open the #ubuntu-irc channel, assigning UbuntuIRCCouncil as its contact.03:12
LjL[04:10:51] <LjL> I would like to invite any IRC Team members who are bilingual and who would like to volunteer helping with getting in contact with LoCo channels, whose contacts and operators may not be able to speak English, to ask me to be added to the relevant list03:12
LjL[04:11:02] <LjL> (Or just add themselves, once the Wiki page is ready)03:12
Seeker`Which means that i will be on campus from 8:45 until 21:30-ish 03:12
somerville32elkbuntu, I'm sorry if I came across that way. Sometimes I do beat around the bush.03:12
Seeker`LjL: is -irc open for English speakers?03:13
naliothSeeker`: yes03:13
Seeker`(i.e. non-bilingual people)03:13
LjLSeeker`: no, you must at least pretend that you also speak Esperanto03:14
LjLyes, of course03:14
Tm_TI thank you all, was good meeting at most times :)03:26
LjLand here we have ubuntulog03:40
LjLwhere's nalioth though03:40
Tm_TLjL: ciao a tutti!03:40
* Tm_T hides03:40
LjLoh, hey tm_t, found you too finally03:40
Tm_T:))03:40
LjLTm_T: i'm connected to you don't want to know how many servers03:40
LjLthey're all shattered into pieces03:40
Tm_TLjL: you dropped to other side :))03:40
LjLTm_T: there's no other side03:40
LjLit wasn't a two-way split03:40
Tm_TI know03:40
LjLthere's really *no* server left that's connected to more than 2 or 3 others at most03:41
LjLin other words03:41
LjLstay the patient course03:41
Tm_TI meant you dropped other side than me, no matter how many other sides there are03:41
LjLof little worth is your ire03:41
LjLfreenode is down03:41
Tm_Thehe03:41
Tm_TI'm ok03:41
LjLand there's no nickserv or chanserv or anything anywhere03:41
Tm_Tyup, thats a bit issue03:41
LjLwhen all these servers reconnect, i'll have a HUGE nick collision =)03:42
LjLi'm "ljl" on all of them03:42
Tm_Thaha03:43
Tm_TLjL: or we have deformed mutant ljl <303:43
LjLi'm being killed yeah!03:43
Tm_Twith hot pants of fire03:44
ajmitchwell, there's a few more back03:45
jdongholy crap everyone's back03:45
LjLoh i DEMAND a wallops >:03:45
PriceChildsorted03:45
PriceChildLjL, :D03:45
Vorianyay03:45
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PriceChildno-one in -unregged03:45
LjL-Tempwell set -J anyway03:45
LjL-Tempi don't think i can set anything right now03:45
LjL-Tempthe servers are busy nick colliding all the "ljl"s on the various servers :)03:46
elkbuntuLjL, services are back03:46
Tm_Tlaggy though03:51
Tm_T3 mins...03:52
Tm_Tperfect03:52
Tm_T:(03:52
crdlbwow freenode is having issues today03:52
Hobbseeoh, neat!04:08
Hobbseethere are now 2 hobbsees on 2 servers.04:09
Tm_TJucato: hoi04:39
Jucatoyo04:40
Tm_TJucato: did maduser ctcp ping you just a moment ago?04:40
Jucatonope04:40
Jucatobut he ctcp-version'ed me before04:41
Tm_TI see04:41
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jdong00:27 < Kagar> I think of Mao Zedong when I see jdong05:27
jdongumm....05:28
JucatoO.o05:28
jdongthat's WTF of the day05:28
Jucatogreat... now I'll start thinking that way too :(05:28
jdong(-ot)05:28
jdongwas there ever an explanation for what's going on?05:29
jdongwe get a netsplit every 5 seconds.05:29
Jucatoso far no notice yet from freenode...05:29
Tm_Tnope05:29
Jucatojdong: this was what I usually think of when I see your nick: http://www.dongapen.com/english/products/pen.jsp05:29
Tm_Tnalioth: any information yet?05:29
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naliothTm_T: about what?05:31
Tm_Tabout splits etc05:31
naliothTm_T: we're under a light DOS atm.  measures are in place to counteract it05:32
Tm_Troger05:32
Tm_Tall I need to know05:32
Jucatokool! that sounded so... um... movie-like :)05:33
Myrttiwow05:33
Jucato"measures are in place to counteract it"... or sci-fi series-like :)05:33
jdongARM THE DEFENSE GRID05:43
jdongOH GOD ITS BECOMING SELF-AWARE05:43
jdongABORT!!!05:43
Tm_T...05:43
Madpilot???05:44
* jdong goes back to burning family guy DVD's05:44
jdong*sigh* someone should invent an automatic DVD-R loader.05:44
Madpilotyour family guy dvds are becoming self-aware, so  you've activated the flamethrowers?05:44
jdongMadpilot: they'd probaby be the only DVD's in my collection that I'd worry about ;-)05:45
Madpilotjdong, those must exist - how does the Freedom Toaster work?05:45
jdongMadpilot: *shrug* all I know is sitting up at 00:45 watching growisofs is a tad unnerving05:45
* crdlb does a bit of support in "the other #ubuntu"05:53
Tm_Tcrdlb: um?05:54
crdlbI connected to tolkien looking for FusioBot05:54
Tm_TI see05:55
crdlbthere are 85 people in #ubuntu :)05:55
mneptoki never equated the Ubuntu logo with the One Ring05:55
Tm_Trouting difficulties =)06:09
naliothTm_T: we're not giving the bastards the satisfaction.06:11
Tm_TI know :))06:11
Tm_Tits just hilarious when you know more than that :))06:12
Tm_Tbit of humour inside06:12

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