[00:44] <Pici> elkbuntu: fyi, jeffery is a bit, hm, odd. I've had to warn him about 6 times about botabuse and hes gotten at least one kick about it.
[00:45] <elkbuntu> Pici, that's no reasons for what was being said earlier
[00:45] <Pici> elkbuntu: I know. 
[00:50] <LjL> what'd i miss?
[00:50] <LjL> yeah jeffrey is almost on my highlight list already
[00:57] <PriceChild> Hey there DfvelwwB, how can I help?
[00:57] <Pici> n=ljl
[00:58] <PriceChild> I knew that.
[00:58] <PriceChild> Was just testing.
[00:58] <Pici> i hate when you do that
[00:58] <PriceChild> Glad to see you're on your toes pici.
[00:58] <PriceChild> Right its about time for the meeting...
[00:59] <Pici> Oh!
[00:59] <Seeker`> oh yeah, meeting
[00:59] <Pici> I nearly forgot
[00:59] <jrib> he could be a fake LjL 
[00:59] <Seeker`> here, or -meeting?
[00:59] <jrib> meeting?
[00:59] <LjL-Temp> jrib: i say it's me
[00:59] <PriceChild> -meeting
[00:59] <Seeker`> i'm ljl!
[00:59] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, soundray said: ubotu, no, kde =~ s/Gusty/gutsy/
[00:59] <Pici> !kde
[00:59] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop », or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . Latest KDE version is 3.5.8 for Gusty and Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org for more information.
[00:59] <PriceChild> nalioth, elkbuntu :)
[00:59] <jrib> good call
[00:59] <Seeker`> typo!
[01:00] <Pici> !kde =~ s/Gusty/Gutsy/
[01:00] <ubotu> I'll remember that Pici
[01:00] <LjL-Temp> it seems i'm just on too many channels with the other client
[01:00] <Pici> !search gusty
[01:00] <ubotu> Found: gusty
[01:00] <LjL-Temp> it lags no matter what... same server
[01:01] <LjL> indeed
[01:01] <LjL> my proxy's out of nicknames
[01:01] <nalioth> PriceChild: i've been waiting for you guys in -meeting
[01:01] <LjL> and i'm still lagged even without the proxy, unless i'm still just syncing
[01:01] <PriceChild> hehe
[01:01] <LjL> bah
[01:01] <LjL> ping me please
[01:01] <Pici> LjL: pign
[01:02] <LjL-Temp> i meant ctcp ping
[01:02] <LjL-Temp> and i said that three minutes ago anyway
[01:02] <Pici> LjL: it just showed up :(
[01:02] <LjL-Temp> i know
[01:02] <nalioth> LjL-Temp: you are the least lagged
[01:03] <LjL-Temp> nalioth: come again? (but yeah, ljl-temp is not lagged, ljl is)
[01:03] <nalioth> LjL-Temp: just giving you lag feedback
[01:03] <LjL-Temp> but, i sent this at 2:03:26, and ljl received it at 2:03:26
[01:04] <LjL-Temp> so ljl isn't really lagged *when receiving*
[01:04] <LjL-Temp> it lags by minutes *when sending*
[01:04] <LjL-Temp> i've never seen something like this i think
[01:04] <nalioth> where is elkbuntu ?
[01:05] <Pici> She was heere earlier
[01:05] <elkbuntu> here
[01:05] <elkbuntu> sorry, was watching tv ... finnish school shooting :-/
[01:05] <Pici> :(
[01:05] <nalioth> elkbuntu: #ubuntu-meeting awaits you   :)
[01:06] <AndrewB> Ohhh yeah meeting
[01:07] <LjL-Temp> noooo
[01:07] <LjL> grrr
[01:12] <nalioth> Seeker`: o4o applies to Ubuntu-centric off topic channels, not #off-topic 
[01:13] <stdin> hello everybody 
[01:13] <PriceChild> Hey stdin (meeting is in -meeting)
[01:13] <stdin> is there a meeting now?
[01:14] <Pici> yessir
[01:18] <stdin> hmm, I've been away way too long..
[01:29] <Tm_T> mh
[01:29] <Pici> Tm_T: meeting in -meeting, fyi
[01:29] <Tm_T> thanks
[01:29] <Tm_T> (was sleeping)
[01:29] <Pici> lucky
[01:30] <Tm_T> I'm not sure about that =)
[01:30] <Tm_T> @now Helsinki
[01:32] <stdin> hey Tm_T, long time no see :)
[01:32] <Tm_T> stdin: :))
[01:40] <stdin> I'm ready for what the world brings :)
[01:40] <Tm_T> stdin: :))
[01:40] <Tm_T> stdin: I struggle with myself every day
[01:40]  * Jucato brings stdin a world... of problems
[01:40] <stdin> I can handle the world or problems now, I feel great :D   (now)
[01:40] <Tm_T> heh
[01:41]  * stdin is just glad to be back
[01:41] <Tm_T> stdin: I'm glad youre back
[01:42] <stdin> I'm glad you're still here Tm_T :) and you too Jucato. as well as everyone else
[01:42] <Jucato> :)
[01:42] <Tm_T> stdin: I'm partly here
[01:42]  * Jucato would be gone in a few
[01:43] <stdin> "still here" in the way I wasn't. I did miss you all very much (as sad as that sounds, it's true)
[01:43] <stdin> s/miss/missed.
[01:45] <Tm_T> sleeping or not, sleeping or not, sleeping or not...
[01:45] <Tm_T> oh, and I havent eat my medication whole this week
[01:48] <stdin> you don't need meds Tm_T, you're perfect the way you are :)
[01:48]  * Jucato is actually confused who the meeting really is for...
[01:49] <Tm_T> stdin: umm, well, doctors say I'm depressed
[01:49] <nalioth> Jucato: it's for me, of course
[01:49] <Jucato> then why the fsck am I there? O.o
[01:49] <Jucato> hehehe
[01:49] <Tm_T> stdin: and the fact that I havent been successful to get to school now a whole month tells its own story too =)
[01:50] <Jucato> school...
[01:50] <stdin> Tm_T: I never did trust doctors to tell me who I am, but I do know what being depressed is like 
[01:50]  * Jucato wants to go back...
[01:50] <Jucato> ooh depression! I think I'm becoming an expert on that too
[01:51] <Tm_T> stdin: I'm not sure myself, I have been this way years
[01:52] <stdin> tm
[01:52] <stdin> opps :p
[01:53] <stdin> Tm_T: well I've been depressed for a while, it's only recently that it's gotten on-top of me
[01:53] <Tm_T> heh
[01:53] <Tm_T> yeah
[01:53] <Seeker`> stdin: thats bad :(
[01:53] <Tm_T> I know I have evil damages in my head so hard to tell when what is happening really
[01:54] <Tm_T> I can panic just if I have to leave my house
[01:54] <stdin> Seeker`: that's life I'm afraid, I've been technically "depressed" since midway through secondary school 
[01:55] <Tm_T> heh
[01:55]  * Seeker` is sure something is wrong with him, but isn't sure what
[01:55] <Seeker`> possibly hypochondria or OCD :P
[01:55] <stdin> Seeker`: it's the disorder called "life", many people suffer from it :p
[01:56] <Tm_T> I'm prolly slightly authistic and several damages in head on top of that
[01:57] <Tm_T> yadda yadda
[01:57] <Tm_T> its 0358 here so time to eat breakfast I think =)
[01:57] <stdin> have to say ^ dito on the "slightly autistic" side, I've felt that for a while.  (looking into someone's eyes seems such an easy task for some)
[02:51] <somerville32> Hobbsee, Are you accusing me of lying and spreading propaganda?
[02:51] <somerville32> Why would you do that? I'm trying to discuss the IRC related concerns in good faith.
[02:51] <elkbuntu> somerville32, you accused us of a closed circle decision group. bad move.
[02:51] <Hobbsee> perhaps i should say misinformation
[02:51] <somerville32> elkbuntu, I did not. I was trying to express my opinion of that occuring.
[02:51] <somerville32> I'm not accusing anyone of anything.
[02:51] <somerville32> I'm sorry if it came across that way.
 Hobbsee, You can't have it just a self-selected group having full control over the irc channels.
[02:53] <somerville32> elkbuntu, That is in response to her comment
[02:53] <somerville32> She said that discussion/decisions should be made by the current op team
[02:53] <Hobbsee> no, you need to read what i said again
[02:54] <Hobbsee> [13:47] <Hobbsee> somerville32: by people who actually are in the channels, and know what they're talking about
[02:54] <somerville32> Hobbsee, I'm sorry. I did misread you.
[02:54] <Hobbsee> fair enough.
[02:54] <Tm_T> when you're settled, hug
[02:54] <somerville32> However, I am in the Xubuntu channels everyday and so I do feel that my POV is meaningful
[02:55] <Hobbsee> sure, but that deals with smaller channels, not big ones like #ubuntu
[02:55] <Tm_T> somerville32: being in channels doesnt mean anything ;)
[02:55] <Hobbsee> how often does #xubuntu et trolled anyway?
[02:55] <Tm_T> s/anything/much/
[02:55] <somerville32> Tm_T, I was an op for a period of time.
[02:55] <Tm_T> somerville32: yes, I'm in ~50 channels
[02:55] <Tm_T> does it make me bigger? no
[02:55] <ajmitch> Tm_T: addict
[02:55] <somerville32> Tm_T, Good for you?
[02:56] <elkbuntu> somerville32, and there's a reason you're not anymore?
[02:56] <Tm_T> somerville32: I'm just saying that being in channels ITSELF doesnt bring much
[02:56]  * ajmitch should see if the op list for #ubuntu-nz can be fixed up to actually include the current loco coordinator
[02:56] <somerville32> elkbuntu, Yes, there is. But we don't need to get into that because it is a _very_ subjective topic :)
[02:56] <Tm_T> being active in channels its another story
[02:56] <somerville32> Can I just put my concern bluntly?
[02:57]  * PriceChild points you to /msg ubotu ask
[02:57] <somerville32> I develop Xubuntu and I'm a very prominent member of the Xubuntu community.
[02:57] <tonyyarusso> Are we really doing this again?
[02:57] <somerville32> I simply do not want to feel like the Xubuntu channels are out of the control of the Xubuntu community
[02:57] <somerville32> Is that a fair concern?
[02:57] <Tm_T> somerville32: they are not out of control
[02:58] <Tm_T> somerville32: Xubuntu = Ubuntu = Kubuntu etc etc
[02:58] <somerville32> No
[02:58] <Tm_T> it is
[02:58] <somerville32> Xubuntu ~= Ubuntu ~= Kubuntu etc. etc.
[02:58] <Tm_T> umm
[02:58] <Tm_T> we are the same community
[02:58] <somerville32> Xubuntu is a _distinct_ entity
[02:58] <Tm_T> yes, apps vary
[02:59] <elkbuntu> somerville32, are there no xubuntu community members as ops of the channel?
[02:59] <somerville32> elkbuntu, The ops that I appointed from afore yes.
[02:59] <Hobbsee> the communities differ, so granted...but i'd be surprised if there were no xubuntu community people there
[02:59] <Seeker`> I've not seen any suggestion that control of any channel will be taken away from anyone
[02:59] <Hobbsee> somerville32: then, what's the problem/
[02:59] <elkbuntu> somerville32, then your assertion that the channel is out of the control of the community is absurd
[02:59] <somerville32> I never claimed it was elkbuntu 
[02:59] <somerville32> I said I wanted to make sure it didn't occur
 I simply do not want to feel like the Xubuntu channels are out of the control of the Xubuntu community
[03:00] <Pici> tonyyarusso: that was odd.
[03:00] <Tm_T> somerville32: there wont be that
[03:00] <elkbuntu> somerville32, the council being contact is merely insurance for prompt assistance from freenode
[03:00] <somerville32> For example, if Riddle wanted something involving the Kubuntu channel changed (ie. appointing an op) are you saying that is not his place to do so?
[03:00] <tonyyarusso> Pici: It makes sense given the previous ban and some PM content.
[03:01] <Pici> tonyyarusso: ah.
[03:01] <elkbuntu> somerville32, no we are not saying that
[03:02] <Tm_T> I'm slowly getting a feeling that somerville32 is very misinformed and lost in this matter
[03:02] <somerville32> Tm_T, Yes!
[03:02] <somerville32> I'm looking for clarification
[03:02] <Tm_T> somerville32: then ask, dont accusate
[03:02] <somerville32> aka: I do do want to feel ...
[03:02] <somerville32> I'm not accusing anyone.
[03:02] <elkbuntu> somerville32, you are
[03:03]  * Hobbsee starts to wonder about an accusing plugin on somerville32's irc client, tehn.
[03:03] <somerville32> Let me make myself clear than, I am not accusing anyone of anything.
[03:03] <Seeker`> somerville32: AIUI, People in control of a channel retain control. ubuntu-irc aims to provide a list of people that are trustworthy, so if additional ops are needed, they can be found quickly
[03:03] <somerville32> Seeker`, But what about the #kubuntu and #edubuntu channels, etc?
[03:03] <PriceChild> somerville32, what about htem?
[03:03] <somerville32> Has the IRCC just scooped up those channels and now they're under their control?
[03:04] <Seeker`> somerville32: They can use the list of people *if they wish*
[03:04] <Hobbsee> somerville32: nope.  i'm still the head of #kubuntu
[03:04] <Seeker`> it isn't compulsory that all new ops come from ubuntu-irc
[03:04] <elkbuntu> somerville32, you havent taken anything positively since the meeting began. everything is either a conspiracy to take the channel from xubuntu, or a reversal of the rules you incited last year
[03:04] <PriceChild> somerville32, /cs info #kubuntu
[03:04] <Hobbsee> although i really should switch the channel contact over.  that does not mean that i dont have hte power to add more ops, though
[03:04] <Tm_T> yup
[03:04] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: +1
[03:04] <PriceChild> somerville32, all channels that seveas was contact for, have been transferred to ubuntuirccouncil
[03:04]  * Hobbsee thinks we already have too many rules and red tape.
[03:05]  * somerville32 sighs.
[03:05] <PriceChild> somerville32, everything else is left as is... and we've got no real need to interfere with hobbsee adding an op for example.
[03:05] <elkbuntu> somerville32, everything already needed seveas. one person. now it needs any one of the council. one of 5 people.
[03:05] <somerville32> PriceChild, So who looks after Xubuntu?
[03:06] <somerville32> Is Hobbsee appointed to #kubuntu by the council or is she there because she is appointed by Kubuntu?
[03:06] <tonyyarusso> somerville32: Hobbsee's position pre-dates the existence of the council.
[03:06] <Seeker`> *!*@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga by the looks of the access list
[03:06] <PriceChild> somerville32, ubuntuirccouncil seems to be the contact, wotj *!*@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga able to add new ops
[03:06] <Hobbsee> somerville32: apparently 12 people/groups, mostly xubuntu people
[03:06] <nalioth> somerville32: the Kubuntu team put Hobbsee in place
[03:07] <Jucato> we did? :)
[03:07] <Hobbsee> yes.
[03:07] <Hobbsee> in a kubuntu meeting, iirc.
[03:07] <Tm_T> heh
[03:07] <Jucato> ah I wasn't there yet I believe :)
[03:07] <ajmitch> Jucato: quick, raise up a revolution!
[03:07] <Jucato> (jsut my luck!)
[03:08] <Jucato> Tm_T: where did you keep the flags?
[03:08] <Tm_T> what fags?
[03:08] <Tm_T> umm, flags
[03:08] <tonyyarusso> *ahem*
[03:08] <Jucato> tsk tsk :P
[03:08] <tonyyarusso> :P
[03:08] <somerville32> Okay.
[03:08] <somerville32> I don't know why I needed to pull teeth to get that information. ://
[03:08] <ajmitch> tonyyarusso: now, he could have been referring to cigarettes  :)
[03:10]  * Seeker` goes to bed, "I need to be up for lectures in 4 hours"
[03:10] <PriceChild> Seeker`, 4 and a seminar... beat you!
[03:11] <Seeker`> why does a seminar beat a lecture?
[03:11] <PriceChild> Seeker`, 4 lectures and a seminar...
[03:12] <PriceChild> in total being more than just one lecture
[03:12] <Seeker`> I have 5 lectures tomorrow, and tai chi in the evening
[03:12] <elkbuntu> somerville32, because you didnt ask it like that outright. you made us out to be the bogey monster first.
[03:12] <LjL> [04:05:48] <LjL> Well, if there are no objections, I would like to open the #ubuntu-irc channel, assigning UbuntuIRCCouncil as its contact.
[03:12] <LjL> [04:10:51] <LjL> I would like to invite any IRC Team members who are bilingual and who would like to volunteer helping with getting in contact with LoCo channels, whose contacts and operators may not be able to speak English, to ask me to be added to the relevant list
[03:12] <LjL> [04:11:02] <LjL> (Or just add themselves, once the Wiki page is ready)
[03:12] <Seeker`> Which means that i will be on campus from 8:45 until 21:30-ish 
[03:12] <somerville32> elkbuntu, I'm sorry if I came across that way. Sometimes I do beat around the bush.
[03:13] <Seeker`> LjL: is -irc open for English speakers?
[03:13] <nalioth> Seeker`: yes
[03:13] <Seeker`> (i.e. non-bilingual people)
[03:14] <LjL> Seeker`: no, you must at least pretend that you also speak Esperanto
[03:14] <LjL> yes, of course
[03:26] <Tm_T> I thank you all, was good meeting at most times :)
[03:40] <LjL> and here we have ubuntulog
[03:40] <LjL> where's nalioth though
[03:40] <Tm_T> LjL: ciao a tutti!
[03:40]  * Tm_T hides
[03:40] <LjL> oh, hey tm_t, found you too finally
[03:40] <Tm_T> :))
[03:40] <LjL> Tm_T: i'm connected to you don't want to know how many servers
[03:40] <LjL> they're all shattered into pieces
[03:40] <Tm_T> LjL: you dropped to other side :))
[03:40] <LjL> Tm_T: there's no other side
[03:40] <LjL> it wasn't a two-way split
[03:40] <Tm_T> I know
[03:41] <LjL> there's really *no* server left that's connected to more than 2 or 3 others at most
[03:41] <LjL> in other words
[03:41] <LjL> stay the patient course
[03:41] <Tm_T> I meant you dropped other side than me, no matter how many other sides there are
[03:41] <LjL> of little worth is your ire
[03:41] <LjL> freenode is down
[03:41] <Tm_T> hehe
[03:41] <Tm_T> I'm ok
[03:41] <LjL> and there's no nickserv or chanserv or anything anywhere
[03:41] <Tm_T> yup, thats a bit issue
[03:42] <LjL> when all these servers reconnect, i'll have a HUGE nick collision =)
[03:42] <LjL> i'm "ljl" on all of them
[03:43] <Tm_T> haha
[03:43] <Tm_T> LjL: or we have deformed mutant ljl <3
[03:43] <LjL> i'm being killed yeah!
[03:44] <Tm_T> with hot pants of fire
[03:45] <ajmitch> well, there's a few more back
[03:45] <jdong> holy crap everyone's back
[03:45] <LjL> oh i DEMAND a wallops >:
[03:45] <PriceChild> sorted
[03:45] <PriceChild> LjL, :D
[03:45] <Vorian> yay
[03:45] <PriceChild> no-one in -unregged
[03:45] <LjL-Temp> well set -J anyway
[03:45] <LjL-Temp> i don't think i can set anything right now
[03:46] <LjL-Temp> the servers are busy nick colliding all the "ljl"s on the various servers :)
[03:46] <elkbuntu> LjL, services are back
[03:51] <Tm_T> laggy though
[03:52] <Tm_T> 3 mins...
[03:52] <Tm_T> perfect
[03:52] <Tm_T> :(
[03:52] <crdlb> wow freenode is having issues today
[04:08] <Hobbsee> oh, neat!
[04:09] <Hobbsee> there are now 2 hobbsees on 2 servers.
[04:39] <Tm_T> Jucato: hoi
[04:40] <Jucato> yo
[04:40] <Tm_T> Jucato: did maduser ctcp ping you just a moment ago?
[04:40] <Jucato> nope
[04:41] <Jucato> but he ctcp-version'ed me before
[04:41] <Tm_T> I see
[05:27] <jdong> 00:27 < Kagar> I think of Mao Zedong when I see jdong
[05:28] <jdong> umm....
[05:28] <Jucato> O.o
[05:28] <jdong> that's WTF of the day
[05:28] <Jucato> great... now I'll start thinking that way too :(
[05:28] <jdong> (-ot)
[05:29] <jdong> was there ever an explanation for what's going on?
[05:29] <jdong> we get a netsplit every 5 seconds.
[05:29] <Jucato> so far no notice yet from freenode...
[05:29] <Tm_T> nope
[05:29] <Jucato> jdong: this was what I usually think of when I see your nick: http://www.dongapen.com/english/products/pen.jsp
[05:29] <Tm_T> nalioth: any information yet?
[05:31] <nalioth> Tm_T: about what?
[05:31] <Tm_T> about splits etc
[05:32] <nalioth> Tm_T: we're under a light DOS atm.  measures are in place to counteract it
[05:32] <Tm_T> roger
[05:32] <Tm_T> all I need to know
[05:33] <Jucato> kool! that sounded so... um... movie-like :)
[05:33] <Myrtti> wow
[05:33] <Jucato> "measures are in place to counteract it"... or sci-fi series-like :)
[05:43] <jdong> ARM THE DEFENSE GRID
[05:43] <jdong> OH GOD ITS BECOMING SELF-AWARE
[05:43] <jdong> ABORT!!!
[05:43] <Tm_T> ...
[05:44] <Madpilot> ???
[05:44]  * jdong goes back to burning family guy DVD's
[05:44] <jdong> *sigh* someone should invent an automatic DVD-R loader.
[05:44] <Madpilot> your family guy dvds are becoming self-aware, so  you've activated the flamethrowers?
[05:45] <jdong> Madpilot: they'd probaby be the only DVD's in my collection that I'd worry about ;-)
[05:45] <Madpilot> jdong, those must exist - how does the Freedom Toaster work?
[05:45] <jdong> Madpilot: *shrug* all I know is sitting up at 00:45 watching growisofs is a tad unnerving
[05:53]  * crdlb does a bit of support in "the other #ubuntu"
[05:54] <Tm_T> crdlb: um?
[05:54] <crdlb> I connected to tolkien looking for FusioBot
[05:55] <Tm_T> I see
[05:55] <crdlb> there are 85 people in #ubuntu :)
[05:55] <mneptok> i never equated the Ubuntu logo with the One Ring
[06:09] <Tm_T> routing difficulties =)
[06:11] <nalioth> Tm_T: we're not giving the bastards the satisfaction.
[06:11] <Tm_T> I know :))
[06:12] <Tm_T> its just hilarious when you know more than that :))
[06:12] <Tm_T> bit of humour inside