| Petaris_Aki | Hi all | 14:57 |
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| highvoltage | hi Petaris_Aki | 15:00 |
| Petaris_Aki | Hello highvoltage | 15:02 |
| Petaris_Aki | I just setup edubuntu 7.10 LTSP and am working on configuring it | 15:03 |
| Petaris_Aki | trying to setup the LTSP bit now | 15:04 |
| bddebian | Heya | 15:15 |
| sbalneav | Morning all | 15:50 |
| Petaris_Aki | is there a way to set the resolution for the clients? | 16:01 |
| Petaris_Aki | *LTSP clients | 16:02 |
| Petaris_Aki | I looked in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11 but there is no xorg.conf file | 16:02 |
| sbalneav | Petaris_Aki: Yep | 16:02 |
| sbalneav | You can do an X_MODE_0=blahxblah | 16:03 |
| sbalneav | in the lts.conf file. | 16:03 |
| sbalneav | Check out the Edubuntu handbook, available from the "Help and support" red questionmark for details | 16:03 |
| Petaris_Aki | ok, thanks | 16:04 |
| Petaris_Aki | sbalneav: I read through the thin client setup part of the handbook but it didn't mention X_MODE_0=RESxRES option | 16:20 |
| Petaris_Aki | it did mention color depth | 16:20 |
| Petaris_Aki | still I tried it and issued the ltsp-update-image and rebooted the client, but it didn't work | 16:21 |
| Petaris_Aki | :/ | 16:21 |
| MagicFab | do thin clients setup as part of the standard Edubuntu install support local USB devices ? | 16:23 |
| ogra | yes | 16:24 |
| Petaris_Aki | what is the binary name for the Thin Client Manager app? | 16:25 |
| sbalneav | Petaris_Aki: You using gutsy? | 16:25 |
| Petaris_Aki | yeah | 16:25 |
| Petaris_Aki | 7.10 | 16:25 |
| sbalneav | The X_MODE_0 line is certainly in there. | 16:26 |
| Petaris_Aki | hrm | 16:26 |
| Petaris_Aki | I will look again | 16:26 |
| Petaris_Aki | I am looking at the online docs | 16:26 |
| sbalneav | online's out of date | 16:26 |
| Petaris_Aki | http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/handbook/C/ltsp-client.html | 16:26 |
| Petaris_Aki | oh | 16:26 |
| Petaris_Aki | ok | 16:26 |
| Petaris_Aki | sbalneav: I am unclear on where this should be set. Can it be set in lts.conf (and then run ltsp-updat-client) or do I need to create my own xorg.conf file? | 16:34 |
| Petaris_Aki | er, ltsp-update-image rather | 16:37 |
| Nuba1 | hi there... | 16:39 |
| Nuba1 | is there any news on this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160420 | 16:39 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 160420 in ltsp "Local devices don't work because an X11 authentication problem" [Undecided,New] | 16:39 |
| Nuba1 | any testing I can help with... | 16:40 |
| Nuba1 | I'm getting fuse: failed to exec fusermount: Permission denied | 16:45 |
| ogra | your user isnt in the fuse group apparently | 16:45 |
| Nuba1 | he is | 16:45 |
| ogra | then the device premissions are broken | 16:46 |
| Nuba1 | one thing that could have happened is that the fuse id group is different than it was at first | 16:46 |
| ogra | that wont work indeed | 16:46 |
| Nuba1 | I have a seperate -home folder | 16:46 |
| Nuba1 | disk I mean | 16:46 |
| Nuba1 | so when I upgraded I hade redo permissions for users | 16:46 |
| Nuba1 | and the fuse group is id 117 now | 16:46 |
| Nuba1 | I believe it was 115 | 16:47 |
| Nuba1 | how can I change that then? | 16:47 |
| ogra | well, how did you change the system group ? | 16:47 |
| ogra | it was added by the system to /etc/group when fuse was installed | 16:47 |
| Nuba1 | the only thing that I did was cp the group and passwd files from the old install over to the new one | 16:48 |
| ogra | if the groups command for a specific user lists fuse all should be alright ... if that differs for fuse from the number set in /etc/group your system seems to be broken | 16:48 |
| ogra | ouch | 16:48 |
| ogra | never do that | 16:48 |
| Nuba1 | :-) ok | 16:48 |
| Nuba1 | thought that was ok to do | 16:48 |
| ogra | system groups are created during install of the respective apps | 16:49 |
| Nuba1 | ok, ids matter then :-) silly me | 16:49 |
| ogra | yeah, they are dynabmically assigned | 16:49 |
| ogra | so it depends when the package was installed | 16:49 |
| Nuba1 | so u think changing the id to 115 in /etc/group should work? | 16:50 |
| Nuba1 | or should i remove fuse and reinstall | 16:50 |
| ogra | well, likely other groups are broken asd well | 16:50 |
| ogra | but changing the id might work (if thats not taken by something else already | 16:51 |
| Nuba1 | everything else seems to work mine | 16:51 |
| Nuba1 | fine | 16:51 |
| ogra | printing and sound are group driven etc .... | 16:51 |
| Nuba1 | sound works | 16:51 |
| Nuba1 | so does printing | 16:51 |
| Nuba1 | I didnt know groups were assigned dynamically | 16:52 |
| Nuba1 | that is good to know | 16:52 |
| Nuba1 | hmmm 115 is taken by powerdev | 16:52 |
| ogra | fuse is in there ? | 16:52 |
| Nuba1 | no fuse is 117 | 16:53 |
| ogra | so its in the file | 16:53 |
| Nuba1 | yeah | 16:53 |
| ogra | ? | 16:53 |
| ogra | ah | 16:53 |
| ogra | well, make sure 117 is in the groups list of every user then | 16:53 |
| ogra | in /etc/passwd | 16:53 |
| Nuba1 | so add them all to 117 as the base group? | 16:55 |
| Nuba1 | right now they are all in the group users (100) | 16:55 |
| Petaris_Aki | sbalneav: If I create an xorg.conf file do I need to then specify everything or will it just auto configure anything I don't specify? | 16:59 |
| Nuba1 | an example line in my /etc/passwd file looks like this: sysadmin:x:1000:1000:sysadmin,,,:/home/sysadmin:/bin/bash | 16:59 |
| Petaris_Aki | Its just ignoring the changes I made in lts.conf | 16:59 |
| sbalneav | Petaris_Aki: Yes, just like a standard xorg file, but why not just set the resolution? | 16:59 |
| sbalneav | Petaris_Aki: ok, there's a quick way to tell | 17:00 |
| sbalneav | set SCREEN_02=shell in your lts.conf. | 17:00 |
| sbalneav | Also, as per the edubuntu handbook, you DON'T need to rebuild every time | 17:00 |
| sbalneav | just put the lts.conf file in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf | 17:00 |
| sbalneav | it will tftp it from there. | 17:01 |
| Petaris_Aki | ok | 17:01 |
| Petaris_Aki | I had tried that before but it didn't seem to work, thats why I was doing it int /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf | 17:02 |
| sbalneav | Works fine, I use it all the time. | 17:02 |
| Nuba1 | ogra? | 17:03 |
| sbalneav | you'll know if it's working if you put SCREEN_02=shell in there, and it spawns a shell on tty2 | 17:03 |
| sbalneav | Nuba1: ls -la /dev/fuse, and /usr/bin/fusermount | 17:04 |
| Petaris_Aki | sbalneav: Ok, rebooting the client now | 17:04 |
| Nuba1 | crw-rw---- 1 root fuse 10, 229 2007-11-09 16:13 /dev/fuse | 17:04 |
| Nuba1 | ls: /usr/bin/fusermount: No such file or directory | 17:05 |
| Nuba1 | Unless u meant in a root term on the client | 17:05 |
| Petaris_Aki | sbalneav: I got a shell on tty2 but no X on tty7 | 17:06 |
| Petaris_Aki | is that supposed to work that way? | 17:06 |
| sbalneav | No. Have a look at your /etc/X11/xorg.conf on the thin client on tty2 | 17:06 |
| Petaris_Aki | it seems very incomplete | 17:08 |
| Petaris_Aki | rebooted again and I get the same thing | 17:09 |
| Petaris_Aki | shell on tty2 nothing on tty7 | 17:09 |
| Petaris_Aki | and an incomplete xorg.conf file | 17:10 |
| === jean_ is now known as jbrefort | ||
| Petaris_Aki | it only has: section "server layout" and section "files" parts | 17:11 |
| sbalneav | Can you paste your lts.conf file to the pastebin? | 17:12 |
| sbalneav | !pastebin | 17:12 |
| ubotu | pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) | 17:12 |
| Petaris_Aki | yeah, sec | 17:12 |
| Petaris_Aki | sbalneav: I removed the shell bit from lts.conf and rebooted and I get X on tty7 again | 17:13 |
| Petaris_Aki | sbalneav: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44518/ | 17:14 |
| sbalneav | Ah | 17:17 |
| sbalneav | Try SCREEN_02=shell, SCREEN_07=ldm | 17:17 |
| sbalneav | two lines | 17:17 |
| Petaris_Aki | ok | 17:17 |
| Petaris_Aki | It worked this time | 17:19 |
| Petaris_Aki | the shell on tty2 and ldm on tty7 | 17:19 |
| Petaris_Aki | so why does it ignore the X_MODE_0=1027x768 ? | 17:19 |
| Petaris_Aki | or does that need to be X_MODE_07=1024x768 ? | 17:20 |
| sbalneav | Well, take a look at the xorg.conf file | 17:23 |
| sbalneav | see if that mode's listed | 17:23 |
| sbalneav | also, have a look on tty2 at the /var/log/Xorgblah.log file. | 17:24 |
| Petaris_Aki | the xorg.conf on the client right? | 17:24 |
| sbalneav | right | 17:24 |
| Petaris_Aki | ok | 17:24 |
| sbalneav | it may not be liking the 1024x768 | 17:24 |
| sbalneav | what res IS it showing up as? | 17:24 |
| sbalneav | higher or lower? | 17:24 |
| Petaris_Aki | lower | 17:24 |
| Petaris_Aki | 800x600 | 17:25 |
| Petaris_Aki | but the monitor supports 1024x768 | 17:25 |
| Petaris_Aki | the client supports even hight | 17:25 |
| Petaris_Aki | er, higher | 17:25 |
| sbalneav | ok, what kind of video driver is it using? | 17:25 |
| sbalneav | check the xorg.conf file. | 17:25 |
| Petaris_Aki | on this unit the video (and the entire board cpu included is via) | 17:26 |
| Petaris_Aki | rebooting the client now | 17:26 |
| Petaris_Aki | sbalneav: in xorg.conf it just has those two sections in it again | 17:28 |
| sbalneav | Hm, so, the autodetect is failing somehow. | 17:29 |
| sbalneav | lets try this | 17:29 |
| sbalneav | go back to JUST the SCREEN_02=shell | 17:30 |
| Petaris_Aki | the log doesn't give any errors either | 17:30 |
| Petaris_Aki | ok | 17:30 |
| Petaris_Aki | can I just comment things out with #? | 17:30 |
| Nuba1 | is the /usr/bin/fusermount a 64 bit thing? ie... is it usually that but on 64 bit it is in /bin/fusermount? | 17:31 |
| Petaris_Aki | rebooting the client now | 17:31 |
| sbalneav | Nuba1: Far as I know it's ALWAYS in /usr/bin/fusermount | 17:31 |
| sbalneav | 32 or 64 | 17:31 |
| Petaris_Aki | ok client is up | 17:32 |
| Petaris_Aki | on tty2 | 17:32 |
| Nuba1 | well, I didnt change anything with that | 17:32 |
| Petaris_Aki | the xorg.conf file still has the same two sections in it with no other bits | 17:33 |
| Nuba1 | on my system there was only /bin/fusermount | 17:33 |
| Nuba1 | it might be worth checking another 64 bit system | 17:33 |
| sbalneav | Petaris_Aki: ok, so on the tty screen, lets do this. | 17:34 |
| sbalneav | Xorg -configure | 17:34 |
| sbalneav | What ends up happening? | 17:36 |
| Petaris_Aki | it created a new xorg.conf file | 17:38 |
| Petaris_Aki | xorg.conf.new | 17:38 |
| Petaris_Aki | but when I look for it its not there | 17:39 |
| Petaris_Aki | just the same xorg.conf as before | 17:39 |
| sbalneav | it'll be in ~/root | 17:40 |
| sbalneav | Hmm | 17:40 |
| sbalneav | or /tmp | 17:40 |
| LaserJock | hi sbalneav | 17:40 |
| Petaris_Aki | ok, I'll look there | 17:41 |
| Petaris_Aki | found it | 17:41 |
| Petaris_Aki | in / | 17:41 |
| sbalneav | hey LaserJock !! | 17:41 |
| Petaris_Aki | Hi LaserJock | 17:41 |
| Petaris_Aki | this one has a couple more sections but still not all of them | 17:42 |
| Petaris_Aki | :( | 17:42 |
| Nuba1 | does fusermount also take care of local disks and local cdroms? | 17:42 |
| Petaris_Aki | let me try a different client | 17:42 |
| Petaris_Aki | just in case | 17:42 |
| Petaris_Aki | same thing happens | 17:44 |
| sbalneav | Petaris_Aki: OK, so for whatever reason, xorg doesn't like to autoconfigure that client. | 17:45 |
| sbalneav | So, you'll have to hand craft an xorg.conf file. | 17:45 |
| Petaris_Aki | ok | 17:46 |
| Petaris_Aki | all my clients are the same | 17:46 |
| Petaris_Aki | so I can do global configuration right? | 17:46 |
| sbalneav | Yeah, should be able to. | 17:46 |
| sbalneav | put the xorg.conf file in something like /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/viaxorg.conf | 17:47 |
| sbalneav | then in your lts.conf file, put X_CONF=/etc/X11/viaxorg.conf | 17:47 |
| sbalneav | and do the ltsp-update-image | 17:47 |
| sbalneav | badda-bing, badda-boom, should do the trick. | 17:48 |
| Petaris_Aki | ok | 17:49 |
| Petaris_Aki | I will try that | 17:49 |
| Petaris_Aki | is there a template for xorg.conf hidden somewhere? | 17:49 |
| sbalneav | Well, 95% of the time, you can just grab the server's, which is pretty generic, and just change the video driver section. | 17:50 |
| Petaris_Aki | ok | 17:50 |
| sbalneav | set the driver to be whatever, and any BusID lines, just delete 'em | 17:50 |
| Petaris_Aki | I'll try that | 17:50 |
| Petaris_Aki | ok | 17:50 |
| Petaris_Aki | thanks | 17:50 |
| Petaris_Aki | sbalneav: That worked | 18:21 |
| Petaris_Aki | Thanks for all your help | 18:21 |
| Petaris_Aki | :) | 18:21 |
| RichEd | hey sbalneav | 19:08 |
| sbalneav | Petaris_Aki: NP | 19:12 |
| sbalneav | RichEd: Heya! | 19:12 |
| RichEd | how's maine ? | 19:12 |
| sbalneav | Heh, been back for a week now :) | 19:12 |
| sbalneav | But it was lovely | 19:12 |
| RichEd | pity I missed the lobsters @ $ 10.00 each ... we had a lobster + a starter at Legal Seafoods + drinks = $ 80 | 19:13 |
| sbalneav | Weather the first night was a bit wild, we caught the tail end of the hurricane | 19:13 |
| RichEd | i heard so from ogra | 19:13 |
| sbalneav | heh, yeah, Legal's nice, but pricey | 19:13 |
| sbalneav | Ah, but what's the point of making money if you can't/wont spend it? :) | 19:14 |
| johnny | aha.. my bug finally has comments :) | 19:20 |
| johnny | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/161794 | 19:22 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 161794 in ltsp "autologin doesn't work" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 19:22 |
| johnny | ogra, hi, are you here? | 19:29 |
| johnny | you last commented on that bug, i see the same behaviour as the last commenter, with the same effect, it works if you comment LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD out | 19:30 |
| ogra | the greeter isnt supposed to come up ... it should start logging in right away ... | 19:32 |
| johnny | well it doesn't :( | 19:32 |
| ogra | the question is why dont you gutsy see any login attempts in auth.log | 19:32 |
| johnny | it seems to get stuck in get_host in ldm2 | 19:32 |
| ogra | even if you set LDM_SERVER to point to your servers IP ? | 19:32 |
| johnny | i thought LDM_SERVER was unnecessary, but yes | 19:32 |
| johnny | i did add that | 19:33 |
| ogra | with the correct IP i hope | 19:33 |
| johnny | the former lts.conf did not require it to be set tho btw | 19:33 |
| ogra | the get_host() function only fills LDM_SERVER | 19:33 |
| ogra | so if you set that it should work ... its weird that it doesnt | 19:34 |
| johnny | i know that when i tried to do it manually, but turning off ldm in SCREEN_07 and then setting the vars and exporting them myself, and then turning on ldm | 19:34 |
| johnny | i see the word hostname printed and in the log something like In get_userid | 19:35 |
| johnny | so, is LDM_SERVER supposed to be required now? | 19:35 |
| johnny | i'm having my mappings in two many files now :( luckily i have ony 4 thin clients | 19:36 |
| johnny | only* | 19:36 |
| johnny | /etc/ethers,/etc/hosts,lts.conf | 19:36 |
| RichEd | === edubuntu meeting : in #ubuntu-meeting === in 20mins | 19:41 |
| Goosemoose | Ive been looking over http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-unattended-ubuntu-network-install about how to deploy over a network. I don't see a way to customize the image that's being deployed though. Am I missing something? | 19:47 |
| Goosemoose | lol | 19:47 |
| Goosemoose | im having a hard time getting that part, the rest seems straightforward | 19:47 |
| johnny | is that relatedto #edubuntu somehow? | 19:49 |
| Goosemoose | yes | 19:50 |
| johnny | how? | 19:50 |
| Goosemoose | im deploying 500 edubuntu copies | 19:50 |
| johnny | oh.. deploying edubuntu, but not using ltsp | 19:50 |
| Goosemoose | yes | 19:50 |
| johnny | the preseed file? | 19:50 |
| Goosemoose | the pressed file seems to just be a large text file with most of the settings to answer the install | 19:51 |
| Goosemoose | but i've made quite a few customizations to my install to make it authenticate users over the domain and stuff like that | 19:51 |
| Goosemoose | i want that incldued | 19:51 |
| johnny | it can prolly run custom scripts | 19:52 |
| johnny | so you can set them up in there | 19:52 |
| RichEd | ogra: you around ? | 19:52 |
| ogra | yep | 19:52 |
| Goosemoose | yeah i was thinking i'd need to write custom scripts for all of it | 19:52 |
| RichEd | :) | 19:52 |
| johnny | looks like you can just pop them in the preseed file | 19:53 |
| RichEd | did you see the question above ^ it's a mass-deployment type issue so I'd like to know the answer as well | 19:53 |
| stgraber | Goosemoose: you can use the late-command from the preseeding to execute your script at the end of the install | 19:53 |
| Goosemoose | the pressed file is here: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/example-preseed.txt | 19:53 |
| Goosemoose | an example at least | 19:53 |
| stgraber | Goosemoose: alternatively you can create a config package which will configure the system | 19:53 |
| Goosemoose | hmm | 19:54 |
| Goosemoose | which would be easier do you think? | 19:54 |
| ogra | Goosemoose, install system-config-kickstart :) | 19:54 |
| Goosemoose | I've worked with linux servers for years, but just getting started on the workstation world | 19:54 |
| stgraber | I use both depending of the use I'll do of the system, packaged version is harder to do but you can then use network update for your scripts (as it's a package like any other software) | 19:54 |
| stgraber | the late-command one is certainly the easiest | 19:54 |
| ogra | it will provide a GUI to create a preseed file | 19:54 |
| Goosemoose | thanks orga, ill check that part out. | 19:55 |
| Goosemoose | stgraber, how do i create config packages? | 19:55 |
| RichEd | ogra: do we have that in the edubuntu documentation somewhere ... what you can do with that tool ? | 19:56 |
| stgraber | it's like any software packages, you ship your changed file as files in the package and use postinst/postrm scripts to update your system files | 19:56 |
| ogra | RichEd, its in the ubuntu installer docs afaik | 19:56 |
| stgraber | it's "easy" if you have already done software packaging | 19:56 |
| Goosemoose | ok, i create packages in windows all the time for the 200 xp machines | 19:56 |
| Goosemoose | we use SMS so I create msi packages usually | 19:56 |
| Goosemoose | is there a program used to assist in the creation? | 19:57 |
| RichEd | ogra: is there any FLOSS equivalent to ghost yet ? | 19:57 |
| stgraber | hmm, creating deb isn't really a so easy thing to do :) (especially if you want them to be good), I don't know of any GUI to help with that | 19:58 |
| ogra | dd would be one (an ancient one) | 19:58 |
| Goosemoose | darn | 19:58 |
| johnny | sure.. there is one one | 19:58 |
| ogra | clonezilla another more modern one | 19:58 |
| johnny | i read about it the other day | 19:58 |
| Goosemoose | I've created images that I've used to install winxp over PXE before | 19:58 |
| johnny | aha.. clonezilla | 19:58 |
| Goosemoose | I was hoping I could do something similar here, get a machine up, image it, then deploy over pxe like in the article | 19:58 |
| Goosemoose | then just change a few files on it | 19:59 |
| RichEd | I'm thinking along the lines of the cost savings route ... in the commercial proprietary education world you would have a ghost licence fee per machine ... that's another saving for FLOSS | 20:00 |
| RichEd | === edubuntu meeting : in #ubuntu-meeting === now | 20:00 |
| Goosemoose | it looks like this doc is saying that it uses the tftp server to get just a few settings, then installs edubuntu package by package? | 20:01 |
| Goosemoose | so there's no real image | 20:01 |
| ogra | Goosemoose, yeah | 20:01 |
| Goosemoose | seems a hell of a lot slower that way | 20:01 |
| johnny | Goosemoose, a bit | 20:01 |
| Goosemoose | than just downloading a preconfigured image | 20:01 |
| ogra | not if you set up a proxy server running apt-proxy | 20:01 |
| Goosemoose | orga, i figured i'd setup my own local apt-proxy to speed it up | 20:02 |
| Goosemoose | but still | 20:02 |
| ogra | they will all install from the apt-proxy | 20:02 |
| johnny | Goosemoose, it's not that bad tho | 20:02 |
| Goosemoose | I've gone through and installed about 15 programs on here right now, configured another 15 config files | 20:02 |
| Goosemoose | and still have to figure out how to get the user folder to be directed to the server rather than local (figure it shouldn't be hard) | 20:02 |
| Goosemoose | and lock the systems down | 20:03 |
| Goosemoose | Do any of you deploy over the network right now? | 20:03 |
| johnny | i just use ltsp | 20:03 |
| Goosemoose | i have too many machines for that | 20:04 |
| johnny | that you the user folder is already on the server :) | 20:04 |
| Goosemoose | or i would too | 20:04 |
| ogra | sbalneav, edubuntu meeting ? | 20:04 |
| ogra | LaserJock, ^^^ ? | 20:04 |
| RichEd | LaserJock you around ? | 20:04 |
| LaserJock | oh yeah | 20:05 |
| RichEd | -> meeting about 3 tanbs to the right ? | 20:05 |
| RichEd | s/tabs/tanbs/ | 20:06 |
| sbalneav | ogra: yeah, I'll be there | 20:18 |
| Goosemoose | sooo, im sitting here beating myself up for not finding this: http://sadms.sourceforge.net/ about a week ago before i did everything manually | 20:57 |
| Goosemoose | anyone used SADMS? | 20:57 |
| LaserJock | I gotta run guys | 21:37 |
| LaserJock | I'll probably be back later and will read the rest of the meeting | 21:37 |
| Goosemoose | **Can someone point me in the right direction, I have ubuntu authenticating against active directory for longons. How do I get the user folder to map to the users folder on my windows server? | 21:37 |
| johnny | what about symlinks? | 21:38 |
| johnny | i don't think they will work will they? | 21:38 |
| Goosemoose | hmm, they might | 21:38 |
| johnny | not that i've ever heard of | 21:38 |
| Goosemoose | why not? linux can create symlinks, the windows server doesn't need to know about it | 21:39 |
| johnny | the file system won't support it | 21:39 |
| Goosemoose | although I rather it be the full directory | 21:39 |
| Goosemoose | which file system? linux or windows? | 21:39 |
| johnny | i mean inside their directories | 21:39 |
| johnny | ntfs or fat32.. | 21:39 |
| Goosemoose | there actually is a program to do symlinks on windoww,s but i dont think i need it | 21:39 |
| johnny | it's not exposed via the gui at all | 21:39 |
| Goosemoose | i want the linux machine to save to the windows domain, not the other way around | 21:39 |
| johnny | junctions are what they are called | 21:40 |
| Goosemoose | so can't i just create a symlink to the network folder? | 21:40 |
| johnny | i'm suprised you don't keep the active directory auth server seperate from where the users are stored | 21:40 |
| johnny | err user account storage is | 21:40 |
| Goosemoose | i have 5 windows servers | 21:41 |
| Goosemoose | the storage server is a member server so it doesnt have full AD on it | 21:41 |
| johnny | you could serve the directories over nfs.. | 21:41 |
| johnny | or perhaps samba | 21:41 |
| Goosemoose | im thinking it would work just like if i wanted to make the users folder that of a networked linux server wouldn't it? | 21:42 |
| Goosemoose | as long as the permissions matched up | 21:42 |
| johnny | mapping is easy enough tho.. just set /home/$user to be mouted via smb or nfs | 21:43 |
| johnny | altho.. personally, if i was using windows server for anythign more than ad, i'd be using windows clients | 21:43 |
| johnny | more than AD auth that is | 21:43 |
| Goosemoose | well i have 250 win clients | 21:48 |
| Goosemoose | school got 500 donated computers and we dont have the cash for licenses | 21:49 |
| Goosemoose | ive wanted to install linux for quite awhile so it's a good opportunity | 21:49 |
| johnny | aha | 21:49 |
| johnny | well, that's good ... | 21:49 |
| Goosemoose | I've used linux servers for my dedicate webservers for a long time, but not as workstations | 21:49 |
| johnny | i assume you have a full ubuntu/edubuntu install on a workstation for playing around right? | 21:50 |
| johnny | a testing machine? | 21:50 |
| Goosemoose | so how would I go about mounting /home/DHS/$user to the nfs folder which would actually adjust based on their user group. thats the prob | 21:50 |
| Goosemoose | yes | 21:50 |
| Goosemoose | setting it all up how i want it | 21:50 |
| Goosemoose | i have it authenticating logins against AD right now | 21:50 |
| Goosemoose | just working on everything else | 21:50 |
| johnny | well can't you query for the info and then feed it to fstab? | 21:50 |
| Goosemoose | that's why i was hoping i could image it and deploy via pxe like windows | 21:50 |
| ogra | there is a pam module for mounting home dirs | 21:51 |
| johnny | aha.. | 21:51 |
| johnny | good idea | 21:51 |
| ogra | read up about pam-mount | 21:51 |
| johnny | and pam can talk to ad | 21:51 |
| Goosemoose | oh, that would make it easier | 21:51 |
| johnny | via ldap | 21:51 |
| Goosemoose | yeah, i already have pam talking to ad | 21:51 |
| Goosemoose | ok, let me look up pam mount | 21:51 |
| johnny | Goosemoose, i perhaps think you should have started a bit smaller :) | 21:51 |
| Goosemoose | lol | 21:51 |
| ogra | there is also a pam scripting module where you can use generic scripts if you want | 21:51 |
| Goosemoose | I like to jump into things | 21:51 |
| Goosemoose | emersion is better for learning | 21:52 |
| johnny | well don't hold it against linux if you have trouble :) | 21:52 |
| johnny | yeah.. i remember my first dive.. | 21:52 |
| Goosemoose | Nah, remember I've been using lamp servers (mostly centos) for about a decade | 21:52 |
| Goosemoose | i can get around with mysql, php and apache with no problems | 21:52 |
| johnny | sure.. but i meant on the desktop side | 21:52 |
| Goosemoose | So far it looks awesome | 21:52 |
| Goosemoose | Hey its not like windows is playing nice | 21:52 |
| johnny | maybe you will switch your win clients over some day :) | 21:52 |
| Goosemoose | the problem there is windows only software we run | 21:52 |
| johnny | luckily more and more of it runs under wine these days | 21:53 |
| johnny | or via some virtualization | 21:53 |
| johnny | or.. they could always rdp for that | 21:53 |
| johnny | then again.. windows has odd rules for licensing | 21:53 |
| RichEd | windows has odd rules for licensing <- redundancy in there somewhere | 21:55 |
| RichEd | windows has od rules | 21:55 |
| RichEd | windows has licencing | 21:55 |
| RichEd | ;) | 21:55 |
| ogra | heh | 21:55 |
| ogra | well, you likely get yourself int trouble with single licensed win software being run on an ltsp server | 21:55 |
| johnny | yeah.. i remember that only one of us could rdp into the server at my last job | 21:55 |
| ogra | (through wine or so) | 21:56 |
| ogra | since ltsp wont restrict the amount of processes ;) | 21:56 |
| * johnny == glad glad he never has to do that | 21:56 | |
| johnny | my thin clients are all linux and they run on a linux server :) | 21:57 |
| Goosemoose | yeah they want you to pay for each terminal service connection | 21:57 |
| Goosemoose | id need 10 servers to run ltsp | 21:57 |
| johnny | ogra, is LDM_SERVER required for autologin now? | 21:57 |
| johnny | it wasn't requried in feisty | 21:58 |
| ogra | johnny, i dont know, nobody answered my question yet | 21:58 |
| ogra | i'm waiting for some input on the bug | 21:58 |
| johnny | i wish i was at the place | 21:58 |
| ogra | clearly there is a bug in all this | 21:58 |
| johnny | where my clients are | 21:58 |
| johnny | how long are you going to be about? | 21:58 |
| ogra | if it can be worked around by setting LDM_SERVER that woulld have to be documented as required | 21:58 |
| ogra | not long anymore | 21:59 |
| johnny | well i'll at least test it out tomorrow | 21:59 |
| ogra | it' 11pm here ... i started at 10am today | 21:59 |
| johnny | whoa | 21:59 |
| johnny | go home :) | 21:59 |
| johnny | i'll let you know tomorrow | 21:59 |
| ogra | so i'll crash soon :) | 21:59 |
| ogra | i am home :) | 21:59 |
| johnny | well turn off your computer.. go read a book :) | 21:59 |
| ogra | the advantage of being ubuntu dev :) | 21:59 |
| sbalneav | ogra: Yeah, and you've still got that long commute | 21:59 |
| ogra | you never stop wrking | 21:59 |
| sbalneav | :) | 22:00 |
| ogra | (mainly advantage for ubuntu indeed :) ) | 22:00 |
| johnny | lol | 22:00 |
| johnny | well and all linux distros | 22:00 |
| johnny | yay GPL.. | 22:00 |
| johnny | ogra, so that means you'll be here tomorrow :) | 22:03 |
| ogra | sure | 22:03 |
| ogra | i'm here every day unless i travel ... | 22:03 |
| johnny | i'm working at the store at 7 tomorrow , but i'll go in a few hours early to catch you | 22:03 |
| johnny | 7 EST that is | 22:03 |
| johnny | or rather 1900 | 22:03 |
| Goosemoose | im installing edubuntu on a server right now, will it autodetect the raid? | 22:04 |
| Goosemoose | i saw a bunch of errors right before i saw the first gui popup, but the install seems to be going ok | 22:04 |
| ogra | tats rather a #ubuntu-server question :) | 22:04 |
| johnny | ogra,i run this ltsp setup atm for a small nonprofit bookstore coffeehouse, so all this work is very appreciated by me :) | 22:05 |
| ogra | :) | 22:05 |
| ogra | i love that its used :) | 22:05 |
| johnny | and i also plan on using edubuntu itself rather than normal ubuntu for an actual classroom setup | 22:05 |
| johnny | i love that it is usable by folks who can't afford huge licensing feeds :) | 22:05 |
| johnny | fees* | 22:05 |
| Goosemoose | too many damn users in the ubuntu channel | 22:06 |
| johnny | #ubuntu-server ? | 22:06 |
| Goosemoose | no | 22:06 |
| Goosemoose | #ubuntu | 22:06 |
| ogra | try -server :) | 22:06 |
| johnny | well join #ubuntu-server :) | 22:06 |
| johnny | i wish #ubuntu was split up tho | 22:06 |
| johnny | it's insane | 22:06 |
| johnny | i go in there for questions, nobody ever knows the answers, and i end up getting caught up in an hour of support :) | 22:07 |
| ogra | i always found it funny :) | 22:07 |
| Goosemoose | yes, totally insane | 22:07 |
| RichEd | it would be good if channels had a primary room, and sub-rooms for specific topics | 22:07 |
| ogra | right it has its suction :) | 22:08 |
| Goosemoose | im trying to search the forum for info on the redirecting of user home folder but i keep getting no results found | 22:08 |
| RichEd | so you could be in #ubuntu, but also check out the other conversation areas ... with a visual tree arrangement | 22:08 |
| ogra | Goosemoose, "ubuntu AD home integration" should revel something on google, no ? | 22:08 |
| Goosemoose | ok | 22:09 |
| Goosemoose | will try that | 22:09 |
| ogra | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=280702 its od and for dapper ... but pretty complete surely there are differences in gutsy though | 22:12 |
| ogra | *old | 22:13 |
| johnny | Goosemoose, are you using ldap tls,ssl,plain text? | 22:27 |
| Goosemoose | for login? | 22:28 |
| johnny | yes | 22:28 |
| Goosemoose | I guess it's LDAP | 22:29 |
| Goosemoose | actually, it must be | 22:29 |
| johnny | yes.. but are the passwords being sent in plaintext? | 22:29 |
| Goosemoose | no, shouldnt be as i have kerberos setup | 22:30 |
| Goosemoose | using pam login module | 22:30 |
| Goosemoose | I followed this doc mostly | 22:31 |
| Goosemoose | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ActiveDirectoryWinbindHowto?highlight=%28active%29%7C%28directory%29 | 22:31 |
| Goosemoose | had to make a few adjustments i read elsewhere to get it to actually work | 22:31 |
| ogra | "Ubuntu Breezy 5.10" | 22:31 |
| ogra | whee thats old | 22:31 |
| Goosemoose | well, it worked for the most part | 22:32 |
| Goosemoose | only problem was that I had to manually add the workstation to windows dns, which i dont understand since it got its dhcp addy fine | 22:32 |
| Goosemoose | but not A records ever appeared on the dns serve | 22:32 |
| Goosemoose | i saw a few other people with that problems on the forum, but no solutions | 22:32 |
| johnny | set it to send the hostname ? | 22:49 |
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