[14:57] <Petaris_Aki> Hi all
[15:00] <highvoltage> hi Petaris_Aki
[15:02] <Petaris_Aki> Hello highvoltage
[15:03] <Petaris_Aki> I just setup edubuntu 7.10 LTSP and am working on configuring it
[15:04] <Petaris_Aki> trying to setup the LTSP bit now
[15:15] <bddebian> Heya
[15:50] <sbalneav> Morning all
[16:01] <Petaris_Aki> is there a way to set the resolution for the clients?
[16:02] <Petaris_Aki> *LTSP clients
[16:02] <Petaris_Aki> I looked in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11 but there is no xorg.conf file
[16:02] <sbalneav> Petaris_Aki: Yep
[16:03] <sbalneav> You can do an X_MODE_0=blahxblah
[16:03] <sbalneav> in the lts.conf file.
[16:03] <sbalneav> Check out the Edubuntu handbook, available from the "Help and support" red questionmark for details
[16:04] <Petaris_Aki> ok, thanks
[16:20] <Petaris_Aki> sbalneav: I read through the thin client setup part of the handbook but it didn't mention X_MODE_0=RESxRES option
[16:20] <Petaris_Aki> it did mention color depth
[16:21] <Petaris_Aki> still I tried it and issued the ltsp-update-image and rebooted the client, but it didn't work
[16:21] <Petaris_Aki> :/
[16:23] <MagicFab> do thin clients setup as part of the standard Edubuntu install support local USB devices ?
[16:24] <ogra> yes
[16:25] <Petaris_Aki> what is the binary name for the Thin Client Manager app?
[16:25] <sbalneav> Petaris_Aki: You using gutsy?
[16:25] <Petaris_Aki> yeah
[16:25] <Petaris_Aki> 7.10
[16:26] <sbalneav> The X_MODE_0 line is certainly in there.
[16:26] <Petaris_Aki> hrm
[16:26] <Petaris_Aki> I will look again
[16:26] <Petaris_Aki> I am looking at the online docs
[16:26] <sbalneav> online's out of date
[16:26] <Petaris_Aki> http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/handbook/C/ltsp-client.html
[16:26] <Petaris_Aki> oh
[16:26] <Petaris_Aki> ok
[16:34] <Petaris_Aki> sbalneav: I am unclear on where this should be set.  Can it be set in lts.conf (and then run ltsp-updat-client) or do I need to create my own xorg.conf file?
[16:37] <Petaris_Aki> er, ltsp-update-image rather
[16:39] <Nuba1> hi there...
[16:39] <Nuba1> is there any news on this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160420
[16:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 160420 in ltsp "Local devices don't work because an X11 authentication problem" [Undecided,New]
[16:40] <Nuba1> any testing I can help with...
[16:45] <Nuba1> I'm getting fuse: failed to exec fusermount: Permission denied
[16:45] <ogra> your user isnt in the fuse group apparently
[16:45] <Nuba1> he is
[16:46] <ogra> then the device premissions are broken
[16:46] <Nuba1> one thing that could have happened is that the fuse id group is different than it was at first
[16:46] <ogra> that wont work indeed
[16:46] <Nuba1> I have a seperate -home folder
[16:46] <Nuba1> disk I mean
[16:46] <Nuba1> so when I upgraded I hade redo permissions for users
[16:46] <Nuba1> and the fuse group is id 117 now
[16:47] <Nuba1> I believe it was 115
[16:47] <Nuba1> how can I change that then?
[16:47] <ogra> well, how did you change the system group ?
[16:47] <ogra> it was added by the system to /etc/group when fuse was installed
[16:48] <Nuba1> the only thing that I did was cp the group and passwd files from the old install over to the new one
[16:48] <ogra> if the groups command for a specific user lists fuse all should be alright ... if that differs for fuse from the number set in /etc/group your system seems to be broken
[16:48] <ogra> ouch
[16:48] <ogra> never do that
[16:48] <Nuba1> :-) ok
[16:48] <Nuba1> thought that was ok to do
[16:49] <ogra> system groups are created during install of the respective apps
[16:49] <Nuba1> ok, ids matter then :-) silly me
[16:49] <ogra> yeah, they are dynabmically assigned
[16:49] <ogra> so it depends when the package was installed
[16:50] <Nuba1> so u think changing the id to 115 in /etc/group should work?
[16:50] <Nuba1> or should i remove fuse and reinstall
[16:50] <ogra> well, likely other groups are broken asd well
[16:51] <ogra> but changing the id might work (if thats not taken by something else already
[16:51] <Nuba1> everything else seems to work mine
[16:51] <Nuba1> fine
[16:51] <ogra> printing and sound are group driven etc ....
[16:51] <Nuba1> sound works
[16:51] <Nuba1> so does printing
[16:52] <Nuba1> I didnt know groups were assigned dynamically
[16:52] <Nuba1> that is good to know
[16:52] <Nuba1> hmmm 115 is taken by powerdev
[16:52] <ogra> fuse is in there ?
[16:53] <Nuba1> no fuse is 117
[16:53] <ogra> so its in the file
[16:53] <Nuba1> yeah
[16:53] <ogra> ?
[16:53] <ogra> ah
[16:53] <ogra> well, make sure 117 is in the groups list of every user then
[16:53] <ogra> in /etc/passwd
[16:55] <Nuba1> so add them all to 117 as the base group?
[16:55] <Nuba1> right now they are all in the group users (100)
[16:59] <Petaris_Aki> sbalneav: If I create an xorg.conf file do I need to then specify everything or will it just auto configure anything I don't specify?
[16:59] <Nuba1> an example line in my /etc/passwd file looks like this:   sysadmin:x:1000:1000:sysadmin,,,:/home/sysadmin:/bin/bash
[16:59] <Petaris_Aki> Its just ignoring the changes I made in lts.conf
[16:59] <sbalneav> Petaris_Aki: Yes, just like a standard xorg file, but why not just set the resolution?
[17:00] <sbalneav> Petaris_Aki: ok, there's a quick way to tell
[17:00] <sbalneav> set SCREEN_02=shell in your lts.conf.
[17:00] <sbalneav> Also, as per the edubuntu handbook, you DON'T need to rebuild every time
[17:00] <sbalneav> just put the lts.conf file in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
[17:01] <sbalneav> it will tftp it from there.
[17:01] <Petaris_Aki> ok
[17:02] <Petaris_Aki> I had tried that before but it didn't seem to work, thats why I was doing it int /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
[17:02] <sbalneav> Works fine, I use it all the time.
[17:03] <Nuba1> ogra?
[17:03] <sbalneav> you'll know if it's working if you put SCREEN_02=shell in there, and it spawns a shell on tty2
[17:04] <sbalneav> Nuba1: ls -la /dev/fuse, and /usr/bin/fusermount
[17:04] <Petaris_Aki> sbalneav: Ok, rebooting the client now
[17:04] <Nuba1> crw-rw---- 1 root fuse 10, 229 2007-11-09 16:13 /dev/fuse
[17:05] <Nuba1> ls: /usr/bin/fusermount: No such file or directory
[17:05] <Nuba1> Unless u meant in a root term on the client
[17:06] <Petaris_Aki> sbalneav: I got a shell on tty2 but no X on tty7
[17:06] <Petaris_Aki> is that supposed to work that way?
[17:06] <sbalneav> No.  Have a look at your /etc/X11/xorg.conf on the thin client on tty2
[17:08] <Petaris_Aki> it seems very incomplete
[17:09] <Petaris_Aki> rebooted again and I get the same thing
[17:09] <Petaris_Aki> shell on tty2 nothing on tty7
[17:10] <Petaris_Aki> and an incomplete xorg.conf file
[17:11] <Petaris_Aki> it only has: section "server layout" and section "files" parts
[17:12] <sbalneav> Can you paste your lts.conf file to the pastebin?
[17:12] <sbalneav> !pastebin
[17:12] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[17:12] <Petaris_Aki> yeah, sec
[17:13] <Petaris_Aki> sbalneav: I removed the shell bit from lts.conf and rebooted and I get X on tty7 again
[17:14] <Petaris_Aki> sbalneav: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44518/
[17:17] <sbalneav> Ah
[17:17] <sbalneav> Try SCREEN_02=shell, SCREEN_07=ldm
[17:17] <sbalneav> two lines
[17:17] <Petaris_Aki> ok
[17:19] <Petaris_Aki> It worked this time
[17:19] <Petaris_Aki> the shell on tty2 and ldm on tty7
[17:19] <Petaris_Aki> so why does it ignore the X_MODE_0=1027x768 ?
[17:20] <Petaris_Aki> or does that need to be X_MODE_07=1024x768 ?
[17:23] <sbalneav> Well, take a look at the xorg.conf file
[17:23] <sbalneav> see if that mode's listed
[17:24] <sbalneav> also, have a look on tty2 at the /var/log/Xorgblah.log file.
[17:24] <Petaris_Aki> the xorg.conf on the client right?
[17:24] <sbalneav> right
[17:24] <Petaris_Aki> ok
[17:24] <sbalneav> it may not be liking the 1024x768
[17:24] <sbalneav> what res IS it showing up as?
[17:24] <sbalneav> higher or lower?
[17:24] <Petaris_Aki> lower
[17:25] <Petaris_Aki> 800x600
[17:25] <Petaris_Aki> but the monitor supports 1024x768
[17:25] <Petaris_Aki> the client supports even hight
[17:25] <Petaris_Aki> er, higher
[17:25] <sbalneav> ok, what kind of video driver is it using?
[17:25] <sbalneav> check the xorg.conf file.
[17:26] <Petaris_Aki> on this unit the video (and the entire board cpu included is via)
[17:26] <Petaris_Aki> rebooting the client now
[17:28] <Petaris_Aki> sbalneav: in xorg.conf it just has those two sections in it again
[17:29] <sbalneav> Hm, so, the autodetect is failing somehow.
[17:29] <sbalneav> lets try this
[17:30] <sbalneav> go back to JUST the SCREEN_02=shell
[17:30] <Petaris_Aki> the log doesn't give any errors either
[17:30] <Petaris_Aki> ok
[17:30] <Petaris_Aki> can I just comment things out with #?
[17:31] <Nuba1> is the /usr/bin/fusermount a 64 bit thing? ie... is it usually that but on 64 bit it is in /bin/fusermount?
[17:31] <Petaris_Aki> rebooting the client now
[17:31] <sbalneav> Nuba1: Far as I know it's ALWAYS in /usr/bin/fusermount
[17:31] <sbalneav> 32 or 64
[17:32] <Petaris_Aki> ok client is up
[17:32] <Petaris_Aki> on tty2
[17:32] <Nuba1> well, I didnt change anything with that
[17:33] <Petaris_Aki> the xorg.conf file still has the same two sections in it with no other bits
[17:33] <Nuba1> on my system there was only /bin/fusermount
[17:33] <Nuba1> it might be worth checking another 64 bit system
[17:34] <sbalneav> Petaris_Aki: ok, so on the tty screen, lets do this.
[17:34] <sbalneav> Xorg -configure
[17:36] <sbalneav> What ends up happening?
[17:38] <Petaris_Aki> it created a new xorg.conf file
[17:38] <Petaris_Aki> xorg.conf.new
[17:39] <Petaris_Aki> but when I look for it its not there
[17:39] <Petaris_Aki> just the same xorg.conf as before
[17:40] <sbalneav> it'll be in ~/root
[17:40] <sbalneav> Hmm
[17:40] <sbalneav> or /tmp
[17:40] <LaserJock> hi sbalneav
[17:41] <Petaris_Aki> ok, I'll look there
[17:41] <Petaris_Aki> found it
[17:41] <Petaris_Aki> in /
[17:41] <sbalneav> hey LaserJock !!
[17:41] <Petaris_Aki> Hi LaserJock
[17:42] <Petaris_Aki> this one has a couple more sections but still not all of them
[17:42] <Petaris_Aki> :(
[17:42] <Nuba1> does fusermount also take care of local disks and local cdroms?
[17:42] <Petaris_Aki> let me try a different client
[17:42] <Petaris_Aki> just in case
[17:44] <Petaris_Aki> same thing happens
[17:45] <sbalneav> Petaris_Aki: OK, so for whatever reason, xorg doesn't like to autoconfigure that client.
[17:45] <sbalneav> So, you'll have to hand craft an xorg.conf file.
[17:46] <Petaris_Aki> ok
[17:46] <Petaris_Aki> all my clients are the same
[17:46] <Petaris_Aki> so I can do global configuration right?
[17:46] <sbalneav> Yeah, should be able to.
[17:47] <sbalneav> put the xorg.conf file in something like /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/viaxorg.conf
[17:47] <sbalneav> then in your lts.conf file, put X_CONF=/etc/X11/viaxorg.conf
[17:47] <sbalneav> and do the ltsp-update-image
[17:48] <sbalneav> badda-bing, badda-boom, should do the trick.
[17:49] <Petaris_Aki> ok
[17:49] <Petaris_Aki> I will try that
[17:49] <Petaris_Aki> is there a template for xorg.conf hidden somewhere?
[17:50] <sbalneav> Well, 95% of the time, you can just grab the server's, which is pretty generic, and just change the video driver section.
[17:50] <Petaris_Aki> ok
[17:50] <sbalneav> set the driver to be whatever, and any BusID lines, just delete 'em
[17:50] <Petaris_Aki> I'll try that
[17:50] <Petaris_Aki> ok
[17:50] <Petaris_Aki> thanks
[18:21] <Petaris_Aki> sbalneav: That worked
[18:21] <Petaris_Aki> Thanks for all your help
[18:21] <Petaris_Aki> :)
[19:08] <RichEd> hey sbalneav
[19:12] <sbalneav> Petaris_Aki: NP
[19:12] <sbalneav> RichEd: Heya!
[19:12] <RichEd> how's maine ?
[19:12] <sbalneav> Heh, been back for a week now :)
[19:12] <sbalneav> But it was lovely
[19:13] <RichEd> pity I missed the lobsters @ $ 10.00 each ... we had a lobster + a starter at Legal Seafoods + drinks = $ 80
[19:13] <sbalneav> Weather the first night was a bit wild, we caught the tail end of the hurricane
[19:13] <RichEd> i heard so from ogra
[19:13] <sbalneav> heh, yeah, Legal's nice, but pricey
[19:14] <sbalneav> Ah, but what's the point of making money if you can't/wont spend it? :)
[19:20] <johnny> aha.. my bug finally has comments :)
[19:22] <johnny> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/161794
[19:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 161794 in ltsp "autologin doesn't work" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[19:29] <johnny> ogra, hi, are you here?
[19:30] <johnny> you last commented on that bug, i see the same behaviour as the last commenter, with the same effect, it works if you comment LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD out
[19:32] <ogra> the greeter isnt supposed to come up ... it should start logging in right away ...
[19:32] <johnny> well it doesn't :(
[19:32] <ogra> the question is why dont you gutsy see any login attempts in auth.log
[19:32] <johnny> it seems to get stuck in get_host in ldm2
[19:32] <ogra> even if you set LDM_SERVER to point to your servers IP ?
[19:32] <johnny> i thought LDM_SERVER was unnecessary, but yes
[19:33] <johnny> i did add that
[19:33] <ogra> with the correct IP i hope
[19:33] <johnny> the former lts.conf did not require it to be set tho btw
[19:33] <ogra> the get_host() function only fills LDM_SERVER
[19:34] <ogra> so if you set that it should work ... its weird that it doesnt
[19:34] <johnny> i know that when i tried to do it manually, but turning off ldm in SCREEN_07  and then setting the vars and exporting them myself, and then turning on ldm
[19:35] <johnny> i see the word hostname printed and in the log something like In get_userid
[19:35] <johnny> so, is LDM_SERVER supposed to be required now?
[19:36] <johnny> i'm having my mappings in two many files now :( luckily i have ony 4  thin clients
[19:36] <johnny> only*
[19:36] <johnny>  /etc/ethers,/etc/hosts,lts.conf
[19:41] <RichEd> [19:47] <Goosemoose> Ive been looking over http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-unattended-ubuntu-network-install about how to deploy over a network. I don't see a way to customize the image that's being deployed though. Am I missing something?
[19:47] <Goosemoose> lol
[19:47] <Goosemoose> im having a hard time getting that part, the rest seems straightforward
[19:49] <johnny> is that relatedto #edubuntu somehow?
[19:50] <Goosemoose> yes
[19:50] <johnny> how?
[19:50] <Goosemoose> im deploying 500 edubuntu copies
[19:50] <johnny> oh.. deploying edubuntu, but not using ltsp
[19:50] <Goosemoose> yes
[19:50] <johnny> the preseed file?
[19:51] <Goosemoose> the pressed file seems to just be a large text file with most of the settings to answer the install
[19:51] <Goosemoose> but i've made quite a few customizations to my install to make it authenticate users over the domain and stuff like that
[19:51] <Goosemoose> i want that incldued
[19:52] <johnny> it can prolly run custom scripts
[19:52] <johnny> so you can set them up in there
[19:52] <RichEd> ogra: you around ?
[19:52] <ogra> yep
[19:52] <Goosemoose> yeah i was thinking i'd need to write custom scripts for all of it
[19:52] <RichEd> :)
[19:53] <johnny> looks like you can just pop them in the preseed file
[19:53] <RichEd> did you see the question above ^ it's a mass-deployment type issue so I'd like to know the answer as well
[19:53] <stgraber> Goosemoose: you can use the late-command from the preseeding to execute your script at the end of the install
[19:53] <Goosemoose> the pressed file is here: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/example-preseed.txt
[19:53] <Goosemoose> an example at least
[19:53] <stgraber> Goosemoose: alternatively you can create a config package which will configure the system
[19:54] <Goosemoose> hmm
[19:54] <Goosemoose> which would be easier do you think?
[19:54] <ogra> Goosemoose, install system-config-kickstart :)
[19:54] <Goosemoose> I've worked with linux servers for years, but just getting started on the workstation world
[19:54] <stgraber> I use both depending of the use I'll do of the system, packaged version is harder to do but you can then use network update for your scripts (as it's a package like any other software)
[19:54] <stgraber> the late-command one is certainly the easiest
[19:54] <ogra> it will provide a GUI to create a preseed file
[19:55] <Goosemoose> thanks orga, ill check that part out.
[19:55] <Goosemoose> stgraber, how do i create config packages?
[19:56] <RichEd> ogra: do we have that in the edubuntu documentation somewhere ... what you can do with that tool ?
[19:56] <stgraber> it's like any software packages, you ship your changed file as files in the package and use postinst/postrm scripts to update your system files
[19:56] <ogra> RichEd, its in the ubuntu installer docs afaik
[19:56] <stgraber> it's "easy" if you have already done software packaging
[19:56] <Goosemoose> ok, i create packages in windows all the time for the 200 xp machines
[19:56] <Goosemoose> we use SMS so I create msi packages usually
[19:57] <Goosemoose> is there a program used to assist in the creation?
[19:57] <RichEd> ogra: is there any FLOSS equivalent to ghost yet ?
[19:58] <stgraber> hmm, creating deb isn't really a so easy thing to do :) (especially if you want them to be good), I don't know of any GUI to help with that
[19:58] <ogra> dd would be one (an ancient one)
[19:58] <Goosemoose> darn
[19:58] <johnny> sure.. there is one one
[19:58] <ogra> clonezilla another more modern one
[19:58] <johnny> i read about it the other day
[19:58] <Goosemoose> I've created images that I've used to install winxp over PXE before
[19:58] <johnny> aha.. clonezilla
[19:58] <Goosemoose> I was hoping I could do something similar here, get a machine up, image it, then deploy over pxe like in the article
[19:59] <Goosemoose> then just change a few files on it
[20:00] <RichEd> I'm thinking along the lines of the cost savings route ... in the commercial proprietary education world you would have a ghost licence fee per machine ... that's another saving for FLOSS
[20:00] <RichEd> [20:01] <Goosemoose> it looks like this doc is saying that it uses the tftp server to get just a few settings, then installs edubuntu package by package?
[20:01] <Goosemoose> so there's no real image
[20:01] <ogra> Goosemoose, yeah
[20:01] <Goosemoose> seems a hell of a lot slower that way
[20:01] <johnny> Goosemoose,  a bit
[20:01] <Goosemoose> than just downloading a preconfigured image
[20:01] <ogra> not if you set up a proxy server running apt-proxy
[20:02] <Goosemoose> orga, i figured i'd setup my own local apt-proxy to speed it up
[20:02] <Goosemoose> but still
[20:02] <ogra> they will all install from the apt-proxy
[20:02] <johnny> Goosemoose, it's not that bad tho
[20:02] <Goosemoose> I've gone through and installed about 15 programs on here right now, configured another 15 config files
[20:02] <Goosemoose> and still have to figure out how to get the user folder to be directed to the server rather than local (figure it shouldn't be hard)
[20:03] <Goosemoose> and lock the systems down
[20:03] <Goosemoose> Do any of you deploy over the network right now?
[20:03] <johnny> i just use ltsp
[20:04] <Goosemoose> i have too many machines for that
[20:04] <johnny> that you the user folder is already on the server :)
[20:04] <Goosemoose> or i would too
[20:04] <ogra> sbalneav, edubuntu meeting ?
[20:04] <ogra> LaserJock, ^^^ ?
[20:04] <RichEd> LaserJock you around ?
[20:05] <LaserJock> oh yeah
[20:05] <RichEd> -> meeting about 3 tanbs to the right ?
[20:06] <RichEd> s/tabs/tanbs/
[20:18] <sbalneav> ogra: yeah, I'll be there
[20:57] <Goosemoose> sooo, im sitting here beating myself up for not finding this: http://sadms.sourceforge.net/ about a week ago before i did everything manually
[20:57] <Goosemoose> anyone used SADMS?
[21:37] <LaserJock> I gotta run guys
[21:37] <LaserJock> I'll probably be back later and will read the rest of the meeting
[21:37] <Goosemoose> **Can someone point me in the right direction, I have ubuntu authenticating against active directory for longons. How do I get the user folder to map to the users folder on my windows server?
[21:38] <johnny> what about symlinks?
[21:38] <johnny> i don't think they will work will they?
[21:38] <Goosemoose> hmm, they might
[21:38] <johnny> not that i've ever heard of
[21:39] <Goosemoose> why not? linux can create symlinks, the windows server doesn't need to know about it
[21:39] <johnny> the file system won't support it
[21:39] <Goosemoose> although I rather it be the full directory
[21:39] <Goosemoose> which file system? linux or windows?
[21:39] <johnny> i mean inside their directories
[21:39] <johnny> ntfs or fat32..
[21:39] <Goosemoose> there actually is a program to do symlinks on windoww,s but i dont think i need it
[21:39] <johnny> it's not exposed via the gui at all
[21:39] <Goosemoose> i want the linux machine to save to the windows domain, not the other way around
[21:40] <johnny> junctions are what they are called
[21:40] <Goosemoose> so can't i just create a symlink to the network folder?
[21:40] <johnny> i'm suprised you don't keep the active directory auth server seperate from where the users are stored
[21:40] <johnny> err user account storage is
[21:41] <Goosemoose> i have 5 windows servers
[21:41] <Goosemoose> the storage server is a member server so it doesnt have full AD on it
[21:41] <johnny> you could serve the directories over nfs..
[21:41] <johnny> or perhaps samba
[21:42] <Goosemoose> im thinking it would work just like if i wanted to make the users folder that of a networked linux server wouldn't it?
[21:42] <Goosemoose> as long as the permissions matched up
[21:43] <johnny> mapping is easy enough tho.. just set /home/$user to be mouted via smb or nfs
[21:43] <johnny> altho.. personally, if i was using windows server for anythign more than ad, i'd be using windows clients
[21:43] <johnny> more than AD auth that is
[21:48] <Goosemoose> well i have 250 win clients
[21:49] <Goosemoose> school got 500 donated computers and we dont have the cash for licenses
[21:49] <Goosemoose> ive wanted to install linux for quite awhile so it's a good opportunity
[21:49] <johnny> aha
[21:49] <johnny> well, that's good ...
[21:49] <Goosemoose> I've used linux servers for my dedicate webservers for a long time, but not as workstations
[21:50] <johnny> i assume you have a full ubuntu/edubuntu install on a workstation for playing around right?
[21:50] <johnny> a testing machine?
[21:50] <Goosemoose> so how would I go about mounting /home/DHS/$user to the nfs folder which would actually adjust based on their user group. thats the prob
[21:50] <Goosemoose> yes
[21:50] <Goosemoose> setting it all up how i want it
[21:50] <Goosemoose> i have it authenticating logins against AD right now
[21:50] <Goosemoose> just working on everything else
[21:50] <johnny> well can't you query for the info and then feed it to fstab?
[21:50] <Goosemoose> that's why i was hoping i could image it and deploy via pxe like windows
[21:51] <ogra> there is a pam module for mounting home dirs
[21:51] <johnny> aha..
[21:51] <johnny> good idea
[21:51] <ogra> read up about pam-mount
[21:51] <johnny> and pam can talk to ad
[21:51] <Goosemoose> oh, that would make it easier
[21:51] <johnny> via ldap
[21:51] <Goosemoose> yeah, i already have pam talking to ad
[21:51] <Goosemoose> ok, let me look up pam mount
[21:51] <johnny> Goosemoose, i perhaps think you should have started a bit smaller :)
[21:51] <Goosemoose> lol
[21:51] <ogra> there is also a pam scripting module where you can use generic scripts if you want
[21:51] <Goosemoose> I like to jump into things
[21:52] <Goosemoose> emersion is better for learning
[21:52] <johnny> well don't hold it against linux if you have trouble :)
[21:52] <johnny> yeah.. i remember my first dive..
[21:52] <Goosemoose> Nah, remember I've been using lamp servers (mostly centos) for about a decade
[21:52] <Goosemoose> i can get around with mysql, php and apache with no problems
[21:52] <johnny> sure.. but i meant on the desktop side
[21:52] <Goosemoose> So far it looks awesome
[21:52] <Goosemoose> Hey its not like windows is playing nice
[21:52] <johnny> maybe you will switch your win clients over some day :)
[21:52] <Goosemoose> the problem there is windows only software we run
[21:53] <johnny> luckily more and more of it runs under wine these days
[21:53] <johnny> or via some virtualization
[21:53] <johnny> or.. they could always rdp for that
[21:53] <johnny> then again.. windows has odd rules for licensing
[21:55] <RichEd> windows has odd rules for licensing <- redundancy in there somewhere
[21:55] <RichEd> windows has od rules
[21:55] <RichEd> windows has licencing
[21:55] <RichEd> ;)
[21:55] <ogra> heh
[21:55] <ogra> well, you likely get yourself int trouble with single licensed win software being run on an ltsp server
[21:55] <johnny> yeah.. i remember that only one of us could rdp into the server at my last job
[21:56] <ogra> (through wine or so)
[21:56] <ogra> since ltsp wont restrict the amount of processes ;)
[21:56]  * johnny == glad glad he never has to do that 
[21:57] <johnny> my thin clients are all linux and they run on a linux server :)
[21:57] <Goosemoose> yeah they want you to pay for each terminal service connection
[21:57] <Goosemoose> id need 10 servers to run ltsp
[21:57] <johnny> ogra, is LDM_SERVER required for autologin now?
[21:58] <johnny> it wasn't requried in feisty
[21:58] <ogra> johnny, i dont know, nobody answered my question yet
[21:58] <ogra> i'm waiting for some input on the bug
[21:58] <johnny> i wish i was at the place
[21:58] <ogra> clearly there is a bug in all this
[21:58] <johnny> where my clients are
[21:58] <johnny> how long are you going to be about?
[21:58] <ogra> if it can be worked around by setting LDM_SERVER that woulld have to be documented as required
[21:59] <ogra> not long anymore
[21:59] <johnny> well i'll at least test it out tomorrow
[21:59] <ogra> it' 11pm here ... i started at 10am today
[21:59] <johnny> whoa
[21:59] <johnny> go home :)
[21:59] <johnny> i'll let you know tomorrow
[21:59] <ogra> so i'll crash soon :)
[21:59] <ogra> i am home :)
[21:59] <johnny> well turn off your computer.. go read a book :)
[21:59] <ogra> the advantage of being ubuntu dev :)
[21:59] <sbalneav> ogra: Yeah, and you've still got that long commute
[21:59] <ogra> you never stop wrking
[22:00] <sbalneav> :)
[22:00] <ogra> (mainly advantage for ubuntu indeed :) )
[22:00] <johnny> lol
[22:00] <johnny> well and all linux distros
[22:00] <johnny> yay GPL..
[22:03] <johnny> ogra, so that means you'll be here tomorrow :)
[22:03] <ogra> sure
[22:03] <ogra> i'm here every day unless i travel ...
[22:03] <johnny> i'm working at the store at 7 tomorrow , but i'll go in a few hours early to catch you
[22:03] <johnny> 7 EST that is
[22:03] <johnny> or rather 1900
[22:04] <Goosemoose> im installing edubuntu on a server right now, will it autodetect the raid?
[22:04] <Goosemoose> i saw a bunch of errors right before i saw the first gui popup, but the install seems to be going ok
[22:04] <ogra> tats rather a #ubuntu-server question :)
[22:05] <johnny> ogra,i run this ltsp setup atm for a small nonprofit bookstore coffeehouse, so all this work is very appreciated by me :)
[22:05] <ogra> :)
[22:05] <ogra> i love that its used :)
[22:05] <johnny> and i also plan on using edubuntu itself rather than normal ubuntu for an actual classroom setup
[22:05] <johnny> i love that it is usable by folks who can't afford huge licensing feeds :)
[22:05] <johnny> fees*
[22:06] <Goosemoose> too many damn users in the ubuntu channel
[22:06] <johnny> #ubuntu-server ?
[22:06] <Goosemoose> no
[22:06] <Goosemoose> #ubuntu
[22:06] <ogra> try -server :)
[22:06] <johnny> well join #ubuntu-server :)
[22:06] <johnny> i wish #ubuntu was split up tho
[22:06] <johnny> it's insane
[22:07] <johnny> i go in there for questions, nobody ever knows the answers, and i end up getting caught up in an hour of support :)
[22:07] <ogra> i always found it funny :)
[22:07] <Goosemoose> yes, totally insane
[22:07] <RichEd> it would be good if channels had a primary room, and sub-rooms for specific topics
[22:08] <ogra> right it has its suction :)
[22:08] <Goosemoose> im trying to search the forum for info on the redirecting of user home folder but i keep getting no results found
[22:08] <RichEd> so you could be in #ubuntu, but also check out the other conversation areas ... with a visual tree arrangement
[22:08] <ogra> Goosemoose, "ubuntu AD home integration" should revel something on google, no ?
[22:09] <Goosemoose> ok
[22:09] <Goosemoose> will try that
[22:12] <ogra> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=280702 its od and for dapper ... but pretty complete surely there are differences in gutsy though
[22:13] <ogra> *old
[22:27] <johnny> Goosemoose, are you using  ldap tls,ssl,plain text?
[22:28] <Goosemoose> for login?
[22:28] <johnny> yes
[22:29] <Goosemoose> I guess it's LDAP
[22:29] <Goosemoose> actually, it must be
[22:29] <johnny> yes.. but are the passwords being sent in plaintext?
[22:30] <Goosemoose> no, shouldnt be as i have kerberos setup
[22:30] <Goosemoose> using pam login module
[22:31] <Goosemoose> I followed this doc mostly
[22:31] <Goosemoose> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ActiveDirectoryWinbindHowto?highlight=%28active%29%7C%28directory%29
[22:31] <Goosemoose> had to make a few adjustments i read elsewhere to get it to actually work
[22:31] <ogra> "Ubuntu Breezy 5.10"
[22:31] <ogra> whee thats old
[22:32] <Goosemoose> well, it worked for the most part
[22:32] <Goosemoose> only problem was that I had to manually add the workstation to windows dns, which i dont understand since it got its dhcp addy fine
[22:32] <Goosemoose> but not A records ever appeared on the dns serve
[22:32] <Goosemoose> i saw a few other people with that problems on the forum, but no solutions
[22:49] <johnny> set it to send the hostname ?