| jetsaredim | also, i enabled those repos - changed hardy to gutsy - and there doesn't seem to be any updates | 14:56 |
|---|---|---|
| Hobbsee | did you do an update after that? | 14:56 |
| jetsaredim | yea | 14:56 |
| jetsaredim | do i need more than just main? | 14:57 |
| jetsaredim | ok - enabled restricted, uni, multi | 14:59 |
| jetsaredim | where is the gpg for this server? | 14:59 |
| Hobbsee | see kubuntu.org information | 15:03 |
| jetsaredim | .org? | 15:03 |
| Hobbsee | ...yes. | 15:03 |
| * jetsaredim searches | 15:05 | |
| jpatrick | jetsaredim: look at the beta3 page | 15:07 |
| jetsaredim | jpatrick: i don't see any gpg information there | 15:11 |
| jpatrick | jetsaredim: "wget http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg" | 15:12 |
| bddebian | Heya | 15:15 |
| jetsaredim | also - something i just realized - is that the beta3 instructions only tell you how to install the code packages, but that doesn't install all of the kde4 packages, does it? | 15:18 |
| jpatrick | jetsaredim: it installs only the base, but you can install all the others if you want | 15:23 |
| jetsaredim | just tried that, but it fails to find some packages | 15:24 |
| jpatrick | well, I have no idea then.. | 15:24 |
| jetsaredim | i suppose that would explain why i never had a useible kde4 install | 15:25 |
| jpatrick | when I tried out beta3 it was pretty stable | 15:26 |
| jetsaredim | right - but if you don't install all of the kde4* packages it doesn't really work too well | 15:26 |
| jetsaredim | had always wondered why it looked hosed | 15:28 |
| jetsaredim | might have been nice if it were also noted in the beta page | 15:28 |
| Tm_T | jpatrick: recursive chown to whole d3lphin dir would be better, I'm sure there's more of them having icky | 15:49 |
| Tm_T | jpatrick: anyway, I have to go so have fun ;) -> | 15:50 |
| jpatrick | Tm_T: ah, right, I thought there was something bad thing about it :> | 15:50 |
| Tm_T | jpatrick: no really, it's just messy if five people is yelling same case | 15:51 |
| Tm_T | but I'm gone -> | 15:51 |
| jpatrick | have fun! | 15:51 |
| ElmerMidd | Hi everyone! | 15:53 |
| ElmerMidd | Dropped by to tell you that i can no longer connect to the internet on kubuntu gutsy | 15:53 |
| ElmerMidd | It was working last night, and this morning it was no longer connected, and won't connect again. | 15:54 |
| ElmerMidd | when forcing ifup i get an error-message saying something like 'siocaddrt: no such process' | 15:54 |
| jpatrick | ElmerMidd: tried "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart" ? | 15:55 |
| ElmerMidd | No problems connecting to the net from windows (embarassing) | 15:55 |
| ElmerMidd | nope. but i didn't do anything to shut it down either... | 15:55 |
| jpatrick | sudo /etc/init.d/networking start ? :) | 15:56 |
| ElmerMidd | ok. i'll give it a go. but while i'm still here, i'd like to mention some other small things: | 15:57 |
| ElmerMidd | you are probably aware that java-runtime won't install from apt-get? | 15:57 |
| * jpatrick don't use java so no | 15:57 | |
| ElmerMidd | and in the norwegian version of kubuntu, the systemsettings -> screen/monitor is in japanese. | 15:58 |
| jpatrick | ... | 15:58 |
| Captain_Redbeard | ElmerMidd, get with the flow, learn japaneese | 15:58 |
| Captain_Redbeard | No but seriously... I think that | 15:59 |
| Captain_Redbeard | it's a KDE problem rather than a kubuntu one | 15:59 |
| ElmerMidd | i'm trying to work on my korean, so it would be a lot easier if it was in english, french, german, swedish, danish or... norwegian! ;-) | 15:59 |
| Captain_Redbeard | Svenska 4tw | 15:59 |
| ElmerMidd | svensk would work better than japanese, for sure! | 15:59 |
| Captain_Redbeard | I don't know if the norweigian i18 translation is at 100% yet tbh | 16:00 |
| ElmerMidd | well, it was in norwegian, i think, in 7.04 | 16:00 |
| Captain_Redbeard | Ja norska heter ju norska och inte svenska på grund av politiska skäl snarare än språkligt gramatiska :P | 16:00 |
| ElmerMidd | or at least in english. don't remember. | 16:00 |
| Captain_Redbeard | However... have you checked the KDE bug database for it? | 16:00 |
| Captain_Redbeard | If not... submit a ticket to the lads and hopefully it will be sorted before 4.0 ;) | 16:01 |
| ElmerMidd | vel, norsk har vel MINST like lang historie som svensk... og når får vi herjedalen og værmtland tilbake?! ;-) | 16:01 |
| Riddell | ElmerMidd: screen translation bug is a known issue, will be fixed with language pack update | 16:01 |
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| Riddell | ElmerMidd: network not working is likely a linux issue and we're not the experts there | 16:02 |
| ElmerMidd | thanks everyone! i'll try your tip and see if i can sort it out. I'll try to let you know. | 16:03 |
| ElmerMidd | reboot again... :-P | 16:03 |
| Captain_Redbeard | ElmerMidd, when do we get your whole country back ;) | 16:03 |
| jpatrick | too late! | 16:04 |
| Captain_Redbeard | Owned :( | 16:04 |
| Captain_Redbeard | Hmm.. is there any "things that has to be done"-list for the next release so I've got something to work on? :P | 16:05 |
| jpatrick | Captain_Redbeard: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuHardyCatchup ? | 16:06 |
| Captain_Redbeard | jpatrick, thank you thank you... :) | 16:09 |
| ElmerMidd | hi again! | 16:09 |
| ElmerMidd | sudo /etc/init.d/networking start did not work... same error. | 16:09 |
| ElmerMidd | siocaddr: no such process | 16:10 |
| ElmerMidd | any ideas that doesn't involve changing distro? | 16:10 |
| Captain_Redbeard | [17:03] <Captain_Redbeard> ElmerMidd, when do we get your whole country back ;) | 16:10 |
| ElmerMidd | when you stop occupying southern finland. maybe. | 16:11 |
| ElmerMidd | :-) | 16:11 |
| Captain_Redbeard | ElmerMidd, Well all of finland are belongs to us as well :) | 16:11 |
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| Captain_Redbeard | ElmerMidd, what does ifconfig report? | 16:11 |
| ElmerMidd | reboot again?! :-P | 16:11 |
| Captain_Redbeard | Oh you dual boot? :O | 16:12 |
| Captain_Redbeard | Ok before you reboot | 16:12 |
| ElmerMidd | yes. i feel dirty using windows now... | 16:12 |
| Captain_Redbeard | copy/pastebin this for me please: ifconfig output, lsmod output and dhclient output | 16:12 |
| ElmerMidd | not possibel. i can't get on the net! | 16:12 |
| ElmerMidd | from linux.. | 16:12 |
| Captain_Redbeard | oh lol | 16:12 |
| Captain_Redbeard | cant you paste it into a text file and retrieve it from windows? | 16:13 |
| ElmerMidd | that would be possible. | 16:13 |
| Captain_Redbeard | or no lol... inwdows can't handle ext3... but maybe your linux can handle NTFS? | 16:13 |
| ElmerMidd | no, my windows can handle ext3 ;-) | 16:13 |
| Captain_Redbeard | :D | 16:13 |
| ElmerMidd | how do i get the dhclient output? | 16:14 |
| Captain_Redbeard | well you type: dhclient eth0 and observes what it bounces back to you ;) | 16:14 |
| Captain_Redbeard | or better yet | 16:14 |
| Captain_Redbeard | sudo dhclient eth0 > outputfile | 16:14 |
| Captain_Redbeard | but hmm | 16:15 |
| ElmerMidd | ok... i'll give it a try and i'll be back in a few minutes. | 16:15 |
| Captain_Redbeard | I'm at work, and I just got off...so maybe I won't be here to answer you | 16:15 |
| Captain_Redbeard | but with that information in hand anyone here could sort you out mate | 16:15 |
| ElmerMidd | ok. i'll give it a try. Thanks! | 16:15 |
| Captain_Redbeard | good luck :) | 16:16 |
| ElmerMidd | i think i'll need it... thanks again! | 16:16 |
| ElmerMidd | still there redbeard? | 16:27 |
| ElmerMidd | got the pastebin-thing ready if you anyone wants to have a look. | 16:29 |
| ElmerMidd | http://pastebin.com/d17c7b7c | 16:30 |
| ElmerMidd | I don't think the lsmod is to interesting. I can already connect to the router. it's getting past the router that's the problem it seems like... | 16:30 |
| jpatrick | ElmerMidd: never seen one of those before, prehaps #kubuntu might help? | 16:31 |
| * jpatrick points to the LongPointyStick | 16:31 | |
| Riddell | ElmerMidd: is that ip address right? seems strange to get a public address (80.x.x.x) from a private network (10.x.x.x) | 16:31 |
| ElmerMidd | hmmm... maybe download.mandriva.com can help? ;-) | 16:31 |
| ElmerMidd | the ip is not right. it should be 10.0.0.xxx | 16:32 |
| jpatrick | aha! | 16:32 |
| Riddell | ElmerMidd: so sounds like there's a rouge dhcp server on your network | 16:32 |
| ElmerMidd | i've tried to set it manually, but still no luck. | 16:32 |
| ElmerMidd | hmmm... but why can i get internet-access from windows and not from linux then? | 16:33 |
| Riddell | tis indeed strange | 16:33 |
| ElmerMidd | and annoying! | 16:33 |
| ElmerMidd | your ears would bleed if you'd heard me today... | 16:33 |
| ElmerMidd | is it possible that it has something to do with the kernel in 7.10? is it possible to apt-get the kernel from 7.04? or would that just cause more problems? | 16:35 |
| jpatrick | ElmerMidd: couldn't you manually set the settings? | 16:38 |
| ElmerMidd | i've tried. no luck. | 16:38 |
| ElmerMidd | no difference. but then again i'm no network wiz... | 16:38 |
| jpatrick | neither am I... | 16:39 |
| ElmerMidd | it's not often that i experience that it's easier to get on the net from windows than from linux... | 16:40 |
| ElmerMidd | i'll doublecheck the manual settings before i start downloading mandriva.... | 16:42 |
| ElmerMidd | thanks for your time guys! | 16:43 |
| DaSkreech | Hi all | 16:50 |
| Hobbsee | greetings | 16:50 |
| * DaSkreech waves at Hobbsee and Jucato | 16:50 | |
| Jucato | live long and prosper! | 16:50 |
| ElmerMidd | allright! finally back on the net from linux. now with manual settings. | 16:50 |
| ElmerMidd | not sure what i did different :-P | 16:51 |
| ElmerMidd | thanks for your time guys! (and girls if any) | 16:51 |
| * Hobbsee is, but didnt help :P | 16:51 | |
| Jucato | you didn't poke with your LongPointyStick.... that's enough help :) | 16:52 |
| ElmerMidd | Haha! | 16:52 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 16:52 |
| ElmerMidd | anyway... off to see what's on the internets today! :-) | 16:52 |
| ElmerMidd | bye! | 16:53 |
| * DaSkreech ponder the nick ElmerFUD | 16:53 | |
| jpatrick | DaSkreech: FUD ? | 16:55 |
| DaSkreech | Yeah | 16:56 |
| DaSkreech | Like PingFloyd | 16:56 |
| DaSkreech | Kinda name only a geek could love | 16:56 |
| jpatrick | ah right | 16:57 |
| DaSkreech | Jucato: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071113-opendocument-foundation-closes-up-shop-after-slamming-opendocument-format.html | 17:07 |
| DaSkreech | \o/ | 17:07 |
| Jucato | heh yeah | 17:07 |
| DaSkreech | I still don't get the w3c's move for CDF though | 17:08 |
| Jucato | you didn't read the interview with the w3c guy? | 17:08 |
| Jucato | CDF isn't meant to be a document standard the way ODF is. it's not on the same level | 17:09 |
| Jucato | DaSkreech: http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=20071109070012244 | 17:10 |
| DaSkreech | thanks | 17:11 |
| Jucato | they had to close shop after that article was released. too much embarrassment :) | 17:12 |
| DaSkreech | Well yeah having the general tech community laugh in general direction then turn around and walk off reminds you of oooh say SCO | 17:12 |
| Jucato | if you read that article, you'll find out it's more than just the laughter :) | 17:13 |
| DaSkreech | The laughter is enough | 17:15 |
| * DaSkreech laughs at Mary Jo Foley | 17:16 | |
| jpatrick | lol | 17:18 |
| jcastro | nixternal: ping me when you're around pls! | 17:40 |
| mhb | evening | 17:59 |
| jpatrick | evin | 18:00 |
| mhb | Riddell: combined char input method doesn't work in Kubuntu KDE Hardy, works in GNOME apps | 18:04 |
| mhb | Riddell: we already had this kind of bug in Feisty cycle, AFAIK | 18:04 |
| Riddell | mhb: mm, could well be that pesky visibility patch in qt | 18:05 |
| Riddell | which I was, once again, promised would cause no problems this time | 18:05 |
| Riddell | mhb: if you fancy testing remove the patch from qt-x11-free debian/patches/series and recompile | 18:05 |
| Riddell | and maybe also recompile kdelibs against it | 18:05 |
| mhb | okay, I will do that later | 18:06 |
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| mikkael | will the next kde4 snapshot be the beta 4 or more recent svn snapshot ? | 18:12 |
| Riddell | more recent beta | 18:15 |
| sebas | rc you mean? :) | 18:16 |
| coreymon77 | Riddell: im just curious, is kde4 gonna be default de for hardy | 18:16 |
| coreymon77 | ? | 18:16 |
| sebas | Nope | 18:16 |
| jpatrick | coreymon77: no, it's too "unstable" for a Long Term Support release | 18:17 |
| Riddell | should be for edubuntu | 18:17 |
| coreymon77 | hardys lts? | 18:17 |
| coreymon77 | oh | 18:18 |
| coreymon77 | will there be supported apt binary pacakges for it? | 18:18 |
| Riddell | for the parts in main, otherwise in universe | 18:20 |
| coreymon77 | man, it really ticks me off when people use a beta and then complain that its unstable | 18:21 |
| coreymon77 | beta means beta! | 18:21 |
| coreymon77 | if you dont want to deal with unstable, dont use a beta! | 18:22 |
| sebas | Or don't upgrade to Gutsy, in my three cases. | 18:22 |
| coreymon77 | gutsy aseems fine for me | 18:23 |
| coreymon77 | im talking about kde4 here, people installing the beta, then complaining that its unstable and buggy | 18:23 |
| coreymon77 | of course it is! thats why its called beta! | 18:23 |
| sebas | It's not that unstable for me. | 18:24 |
| sebas | I think in general complaining is a bad thing, though. | 18:24 |
| coreymon77 | well, the bell just rang | 18:25 |
| coreymon77 | time to go | 18:25 |
| mhb | Riddell: the 05_hidden_visibility patch? | 18:27 |
| Riddell | mhb: kubuntu_05_gcc_hidden_visibility.dpatch | 18:30 |
| mhb | Riddell: right, thanks | 18:31 |
| Riddell | 00list is where is needs to be removed from | 18:32 |
| mhb | Riddell: I've recompiled Qt, haven't tested it yet but I guess it is even more likely that it is that patch - my Qt4/KDE4 apps are unaffected | 19:18 |
| mhb | Riddell: confirmed, recompiled Qt and newly started KDE apps seem to work fine | 19:19 |
| Riddell | mhb: I had a feeling it would cause trouble (again) | 19:23 |
| Riddell | mhb: did you need to recompile kdelibs? | 19:23 |
| mhb | no | 19:23 |
| Riddell | ok, easy enough to revert then | 19:23 |
| mhb | what does that patch fix? | 19:24 |
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| jpatrick | Riddell: would it be an idea to sync k3b-i18n from Debian? | 19:55 |
| yuriy | http://liquidat.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/qpackagekit.png <- what's requres supposed to mean? | 20:18 |
| * yuriy doesn't like that interface | 20:18 | |
| jpatrick | yuriy: that's a great question | 20:19 |
| * yuriy realizes it's far from complete though | 20:19 | |
| yuriy | s/requres/requires | 20:19 |
| * jpatrick would remove the "i386"s tho | 20:20 | |
| jpatrick | I mean, it's understood what archtype the things downloading | 20:20 |
| Tm_T | Tonio_: you there? | 20:51 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: yes, that should be good | 20:59 |
| Riddell | mhb: the patch lets gcc hide a lot of symbols in libraries, which means they load up faster | 20:59 |
| mhb | ah | 21:01 |
| nixternal | hola | 21:46 |
| DaSkreech | aye | 21:46 |
| nixternal | booyah! | 21:46 |
| nixternal | I aced my c++ project and even gained 15% extra credit | 21:47 |
| begert_ | nice | 21:47 |
| DaSkreech | For doing it in a OS written in C++ instead of VB ? | 21:47 |
| nixternal | heck no, cuz my project roxored their socks off | 21:47 |
| begert_ | what was the project? | 21:48 |
| nixternal | it was good though, because I got to actually learn how to use valgrind and gdb a heck of a lot better | 21:48 |
| nixternal | this project was part 1 of a distributed backup framework that myself and 2 others decided we would do | 21:49 |
| nixternal | I couldn't think of anything original :) | 21:49 |
| begert_ | still sounds good | 21:49 |
| nixternal | and one of the things students brought up that they would like to see done, was a way for them to backup their hard drives in a safe way | 21:50 |
| nixternal | we still have a few bugs to work out and would like to extend it from just a few nodes to as many nodes as possible...kind of like a combo of seti@home and bittorrent | 21:51 |
| nixternal | seti in the way of multiple systems running the framework, and bittorrent in the way of creating small packets for transfering back and forth between the nodes | 21:51 |
| begert_ | hmm, thats interesting, do the nodes have a concept of the data, or is it just a chunk of backed up hardrive? | 21:52 |
| nixternal | right now just a chunk | 21:53 |
| begert_ | and multiple nodes would have the same chunk ? | 21:54 |
| nixternal | next is getting it to drop off a bit of data at each node, but then putting extra chunks of the same data at different nodes so that in case of a node crash or loss, there will be no data loss | 21:54 |
| nixternal | and then after that comes the encryption portion | 21:54 |
| begert_ | right, thats a pretty sweet project | 21:54 |
| begert_ | I imgagine the tricky part would be in somehow making sure all chunks are available by all nodes | 21:56 |
| nixternal | well, lucky us, if we do decide to go further, there is a company here in Chicago that already does a project similar to ours | 21:57 |
| begert_ | it would be cool if you could scan the nodes and if a chunk is not found redistribute from a local copy of the back-up | 21:57 |
| nixternal | difference being, we want ours to work on any platform | 21:57 |
| nixternal | that is what it will do eventually | 21:57 |
| begert_ | nice | 21:57 |
| nixternal | or at least what we would like it to do | 21:58 |
| begert_ | ;) , time for me to head home from work | 21:58 |
| begert_ | laterz | 21:58 |
| nixternal | later | 21:58 |
| nixternal | I still have more class tonight...yay | 21:58 |
| nixternal | I can never get a break | 21:59 |
| nixternal | dude, I am ready to write my own OS...who's with me? :p | 22:01 |
| mhb | nixternal: fat chance | 22:07 |
| mhb | nixternal: well maybe, after I prove P=NP I might consider joining your group | 22:08 |
| DaSkreech | nixternal: In Java? | 22:09 |
| nixternal | DaSkreech: c++ | 22:20 |
| begert | ahhh, home :P | 22:20 |
| DaSkreech | :-) | 22:21 |
| nixternal | java would suck to do a framework in...java is good for one thing, multi-platform, super portable, gui applications | 22:23 |
| nixternal | if it doesn't have a gui, then java shouldn't be a choice | 22:23 |
| Riddell | dunno about that, it's pretty popular for web server bits | 22:24 |
| mhb | the urge... to flame... too strong | 22:24 |
| Riddell | I only know one decent GUI app in java | 22:25 |
| * sebas blinks | 22:25 | |
| mhb | java apps are portable, but they usually look out-of-place on most platforms | 22:25 |
| mhb | GUI | 22:25 |
| mhb | I mean the "swing" API (or whatever it is called, I am no Java exper) | 22:26 |
| nixternal | Riddell: j2ee maybe, but not straight java | 22:26 |
| mhb | I think with Jambi it might be a bit different, but Jambi's not widely used yet | 22:27 |
| nixternal | mhb: you are correct...the swing api is the latest gui api for java...it replaced, or in the process of replacing the awt api gui objects | 22:27 |
| nixternal | mhb: jambi makes your app look more KDE | 22:27 |
| sebas | Riddell: Which app is that? | 22:27 |
| Riddell | sebas: eclipse seems popular | 22:28 |
| sebas | Eclipse is a mystery to me. | 22:28 |
| nixternal | I mainly use eclipse...w/o a doubt my favorite ide | 22:28 |
| nixternal | sebas: I wish I could use KDevelop a lot better than what I can currently | 22:28 |
| Riddell | swing is horrific, swt seems passable | 22:28 |
| sebas | It's so complex (like the rest of java I know) that I'm afraid of een starting it | 22:29 |
| nixternal | Riddell: deffinitely swt over swing any day | 22:29 |
| nixternal | one of the projects I am working on now uses swt and thus far it is pretty sharp | 22:30 |
| DaSkreech | Java isn't that complex unltil you start building cathedrals | 22:31 |
| sebas | Or try to do trivial things | 22:40 |
| lnxkde | phh God !! | 22:45 |
| lnxkde | a update for kde4 | 22:45 |
| lnxkde | :/ | 22:45 |
| DaSkreech | They tagged somethign yesterday? | 22:51 |
| lnxkde | DaSkreech: I am donwloading some updates on adept lets see how they work out... | 22:59 |
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